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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: wall with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Winsday, January seventeenth to twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: Season thirteen, Episode one hundred. Welcome to another edition of

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Speaker 1: The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at

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Speaker 1: the Star. I'm very happy to have a larger version

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Speaker 1: of David Hellman in studio with us. Thank you. Back

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Speaker 1: to the old days. We got Brian back with us today.

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Speaker 1: Is it really the hundredth episode? It is our hundred

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Speaker 1: of this season, the season of the season. I just

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Speaker 1: watched my hundredth player already of the college just today,

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Speaker 1: thrown't you? I'm trying? Is that faster than normal? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when you get bounced from the playoffs earlier, I can

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Speaker 1: start a little earlier. Yeah, when'd you start? Like December

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Speaker 1: December fifth? December fifth, and then once you know, we

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Speaker 1: started doing stuff at night and then and then We've

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Speaker 1: had two of the draft shows on. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: doing that, by the way, and Brugler and I sit

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Speaker 1: there and blow through some guys too. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: down to guys now. I'm thinking like third fourth round guys.

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Speaker 1: So this Delta State or somebody the other day there,

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Speaker 1: you do what two and a half players a day?

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Speaker 1: No more than that. I mean I could with the

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Speaker 1: way the Cowboys have it set up with their skyting department,

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Speaker 1: which is one of the great things, and thank you

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Speaker 1: Jones family for allowing me to do this. But the

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Speaker 1: the they have a player's cut up, so like they

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Speaker 1: all have twelve games. Like I'll watch a receiver and

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Speaker 1: they'll have the all twelve games, all the balls thrown

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Speaker 1: and then write a scouting report on that. That's different

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Speaker 1: than it used to be back in the day. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure when you have to watch a full game just

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Speaker 1: to get But you know, when we're back in Green Bay,

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Speaker 1: we we did that, I mean back in the day guy.

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Speaker 1: But we used to Ron Wolfe, who's a Hall of

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Speaker 1: in the early nineties. That's what we used to about Rome.

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Speaker 1: When I was born, Yeah, my wallet did. Okay, when

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Speaker 1: was everybody born? Nick? I know you're an old six Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're old seventy two, seventy two, and you're okay, my

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Speaker 1: wallet is older than you, my wallet pocket, and I'll

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Speaker 1: do this for everybody's now here's a better game, all

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Speaker 1: right here? Nineteen eighty six. I've had this wallet nineteen

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Speaker 1: at LSU. So, yeah, my wallet is older than you.

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Speaker 1: So questions like this is a better deal, Nick, What

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Speaker 1: I was a junior in high school watching the Cowboys? Brian,

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Speaker 1: what were you doing in nine to my twenty seventh birthday?

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Speaker 1: I started with the Packers December twelfth, nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 1: So I was working with the Green Bay Packers at

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Speaker 1: the time. Yeah. Nice, you're being born, Yeah, you're being

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Speaker 1: never know speaking on Snapchat, right, I don't need to

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Speaker 1: be on Snapchat. No Snapchat. Dave's out today, Dave's got

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Speaker 1: equate to keeping stability. Even if you keep the head coaching,

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Speaker 1: it's a different idea. Maybe it's a different philosophy. Whoever

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Speaker 1: Back to the break Welcome back. It is the second

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Speaker 1: studios at the Star, got Nick, even Amber Garcia. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Brian's joining us today. Brian brought us is in for

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Speaker 1: Dave Hellman, who's out vacationing. I hope you're safe and well. Dave.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if you're listening. He's not listening, but he

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Speaker 1: may listen later sometime. Jim. Yeah, I hope he has

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Speaker 1: his phone on to find him. Yeah, so we can

448
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Speaker 1: so we can find him. Yeah, he's wandering around in

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Speaker 1: the desert somewhere. I hope he's got water. I told him,

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Speaker 1: I say, that's a bad idea, man, No, I thought

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Speaker 1: it was a great idea. Just city kid, he's a

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Speaker 1: great idea. Can get away from everything and just kind

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Speaker 1: of have right go to a spa to listen to

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Speaker 1: your own thoughts for a second and just kind of,

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Speaker 1: you know, get away from everything. So he talks to

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Speaker 1: himself a lot. Anyway, he does so he doesn't need

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Speaker 1: to go across the Probably probably a good thing, all right.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's talk a little bit more about these

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Speaker 1: position coaches. I particularly wanted to talk about the linebacker coach,

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Speaker 1: Matt Ebraflus. There are reports that began with a post

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Speaker 1: by his wife on I guess Facebook that essentially kind

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Speaker 1: of made it clear that that the Colts were where

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Speaker 1: they were going. Yeah, that's been since taken down from

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Speaker 1: earlier this morning. I'm sure husband probably is like, man,

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Speaker 1: let's let's not do honey. That's not officially yet, let's

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Speaker 1: not But anyway, it's been taken down. But but that's

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Speaker 1: what kind of alerted everybody to the possibility that he'd

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Speaker 1: be going with Josh McDaniels. Josh mcgaiels hasn't even been

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Speaker 1: named the head coach, but there is the suspicion that

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Speaker 1: he's going to be named the head coach of the

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts, and that Ebraflus will then move with him

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Speaker 1: right and become the defensive coordinator. Here's my issue with that.

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Speaker 1: Everything I've heard, and again it's hard to say with

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Speaker 1: coaches because it's not like players where you actually watch

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Speaker 1: them play every Sunday. But from everything I've heard of

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Speaker 1: people who know coaches and know what coaches do, I've

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Speaker 1: heard the narrative of that Eberflus is a really great

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Speaker 1: coach and as a young, good defensive mind that will

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Speaker 1: be a really good defensive coordinator at some point. I wonder,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know that this will be fact or not,

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Speaker 1: but I wonder if this is a situation that will

482
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Speaker 1: at some point be similar to a Sean Payton where

483
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Speaker 1: you have a young coach that you think might be

484
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Speaker 1: really good at the next level of coaching, whether that's

485
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Speaker 1: as a coordinator, as a head coach, you don't have

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Speaker 1: an opportunity for them at the moment, or you're not

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Speaker 1: willing to make an opportunity for them by getting rid

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Speaker 1: of someone, and as a result, they end up going

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Speaker 1: somewhere else and someone else gets the benefit of their brilliance.

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Speaker 1: I do wonder if in keeping Marinelli, are you somehow

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Speaker 1: maybe short changing yourself on being able to realize defensive

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Speaker 1: brilliance in Matt Eberflus as your defensive coordinator. What do

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Speaker 1: you guys think? Well, just like all these coaches, time

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Speaker 1: will tell on that, you know. I mean I remember

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Speaker 1: looking at the two thousand and five staff that had

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Speaker 1: eight potential future head coaches that were on that staff

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Speaker 1: that went nine and seven. Um, some of them, Oh wow,

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Speaker 1: how could you let those guys go? Others that you're like, well,

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Speaker 1: that's fine. So the only time will tell. With with

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Speaker 1: um ebra Flus, I do I know, I know your point.

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Speaker 1: Your point is you've got an older older he's old,

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Speaker 1: I mean Marinelli, and he's got the lake house already

503
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Speaker 1: paid right, so do you he's working with Gray right now,

504
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Speaker 1: he's just walking on the beach, he's playing the seventeenth hole.

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Speaker 1: I think there's I think there's more to it than

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Speaker 1: than we know. I mean, there's gotta be there's got

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Speaker 1: to maybe maybe this young great coach isn't viewed that

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Speaker 1: way anymore apparently, I mean, because why why or there's

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Speaker 1: just so much belief in Marinelli that you like, we

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Speaker 1: just can't get rid of him because we believe in him.

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Speaker 1: Like that could be a too Well, we talked about

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Speaker 1: these other coaches, you know, the receivers, were they trending down? Oh? Line?

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Speaker 1: What would you? What are the linebackers? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Are the linebackers getting better? I think the issues with

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Speaker 1: the line backers have nothing to do with play. I

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Speaker 1: think it has to do with injury. And because of injury.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can throw out a guy like Damon Wilson.

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Speaker 1: But but the fact of the matter is, sounds like

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Speaker 1: Chas Greene got a guy fired. Yeah, so, and he

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Speaker 1: did some good things. Third round pick didn't get developed?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I don't know. But did Hitchens get developed?

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Speaker 1: So he's a better player now than he was, right,

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Speaker 1: I know, Aberflus was part of bringing Hitchens in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was a guy that went to Iowa City and

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Speaker 1: did the work out, and he's a better player. I

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Speaker 1: think he's a better players. I mean I'm throwing out

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Speaker 1: point no, yes, Hitchens is better Wilson hasn't really developed

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Speaker 1: Shawn Lee. That's not Ebrak Sacha left. I mean he

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Speaker 1: was never He was a guy that was drafted, ends

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Speaker 1: up at San Francisco and their practice squad, I mean,

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Speaker 1: well on your practice squad and ends up somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: Not really Aberflus's fault again, injuries that didn't get him

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Speaker 1: on the field. Shaun Lee could be of four time,

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Speaker 1: five time All Pro if he stayed healthy. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's on him, And why should even say

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Speaker 1: that on him? That's all, It's just his body happens.

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Speaker 1: Things happen, right. How much real talk is there to

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Speaker 1: the possibility of Marion Ellie being out. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's much. I think they believe in Marinelli personally. We

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this though, are you talking about

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Speaker 1: the some of the rumors that we are hearing that again,

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Speaker 1: it's rumors that they offered Eberflus the opportunity to stay

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Speaker 1: with Marinelli getting the assistant head coach title, so Eberflus

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Speaker 1: would be the DC. See. Yeah, this is where this

545
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Speaker 1: is where this is tricky, because maybe the Cowboys did

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Speaker 1: do with their due diligence there and maybe Mattiberflus. It's

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Speaker 1: it's it's let me tell you. This is common knowledge

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Speaker 1: around the league that Mattieberfluss denied the opportunity to talk

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Speaker 1: to San Francisco forty nine ers. Mattieberflus probably coached this

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Speaker 1: year thinking, you know what my contracts up. I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: they gave him the title of passing game coordinator something

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Speaker 1: like that to kind of make it look nice. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of those titles make everything look good, and everybody's oh,

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Speaker 1: but you know, really, what is it now? I know

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Speaker 1: one thing you can watch. We've all watched practices, you know,

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Speaker 1: and it's training it. Marinelli leaned on Ebraflus, the guy

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Speaker 1: sending into defenses, the guy, you know, the guy during practice.

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Speaker 1: He was the one guy that was constantly, you know, coaching, yelling.

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Speaker 1: You can hear. I mean one into the field is

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Speaker 1: Marinelli and leon Let going with the defense line. And

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Speaker 1: here's you know, Joe Baker and those guys are kind

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Speaker 1: of quiet in the middle, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you got Ebraflus is yelling at all these guys. So

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Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of got that appearance. But this

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Speaker 1: might be a decision that was not in the Cowboys hands.

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Speaker 1: This might be one of those that you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm moving on, and you think maybe it was based

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Speaker 1: upon the fact that he wasn't allowed to interview last

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Speaker 1: year and so he basically if we're playing charade, I'm

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Speaker 1: just in my nose right now. Yeah, you got it.

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Speaker 1: I know this about Eberflus. He's got a great eye

572
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Speaker 1: because he was the first guy down on the field

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Speaker 1: in Oakland that said that ball was a touchback. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you remember him running down that. He's got an eye

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Speaker 1: for these for these linebackers, got an eye for things.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not going to be a really

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Speaker 1: good coach, but maybe there is something. There's more two

578
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Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, oh it's definitely done. Yeah, as is

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're dragging our feet for a reason here. Yeah,

580
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Speaker 1: this this you know he should have you know, I

581
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Speaker 1: feel like though that the Cowboys wanted to give him

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Speaker 1: an opportunity. Now does he want to It's this is

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Speaker 1: a two way street in coaching, right because he's you know,

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Speaker 1: if David said, okay, you could be the DC, if

585
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Speaker 1: he really wanted the DC job, he could have said

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Speaker 1: I'm in let's go and then Marinelli to make the transition,

587
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: and you know, we're still don't hear anything officially, but

588
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Speaker 1: we see him in the lunch room and you know

589
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Does it ever work when

590
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Speaker 1: you you kind of tell a coach that you're going

591
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: to be the guy in waiting? You see it in

592
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: college sometimes. I believe it happened with I believe it

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Speaker 1: happened with with the Beisaccia. I guarantee you though he

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Speaker 1: knew John Green was going to get that Oakland job, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he knew. And then he's kind of thinking, well, you know,

596
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: because again there's things that you hear, you know that

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00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: we're going on behind the scenes, and then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like the front office just goes bye.

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Speaker 1: You know, Hey, I'm thinking about going to Oakland. Bye.

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Speaker 1: You know. So I think there's I think, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a two way street here, I really

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Speaker 1: really do. I think with Eberflus, you know, maybe at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, with Nick's list of guys

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Speaker 1: that you know, the Sean Payton's of the world and

605
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Speaker 1: guys like that, they're the coaches that you know, go on,

606
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Speaker 1: maybe this wasn't the cowboys, you know, maybe they're gonna

607
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Speaker 1: lose him that last year. Yeah, maybe they would a lot,

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Speaker 1: and then it would have been one of those things

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Speaker 1: where you could have said, boy, they lost a really

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Speaker 1: good coach. I think they I think they're gonna lose

611
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Speaker 1: a good coach. I really really do. But I think

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of it your decision, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: you do the best that you can and if it

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Speaker 1: doesn't work, it doesn't work, and you move on. They

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Speaker 1: give me some of those names you mentioned, some of

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Speaker 1: those guys that that had moved on. Here's here. Let's

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Speaker 1: just look at this list of guys that are officially

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Speaker 1: moving on from the staff. Guidence coach Steve Loani's retiring,

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Speaker 1: but Besatias and the Raiders. Frank Pollocks now with the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: Derek Dooley's the offensive coordinator Missouri. Joe Baker's contract is

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Speaker 1: expiring and he will not be retained. The Cowboys have

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Speaker 1: officially said that. Same with Wade Wilson. There's thoughts that

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Speaker 1: he might be retiring, but he's been there for fourteen years.

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Speaker 1: He's not coming back. Now. Up in the air, Greg Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Gary Brown, and then of course Ebra flews up in

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Speaker 1: the air. And then you've got guys like Kyle Valero,

627
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Speaker 1: Colombo and O'Quinn Keith ol quinn, whose coach above them

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Speaker 1: has left their assistant yea below the special team's wide

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Speaker 1: receiver and old line. And so Paul Alexander has not

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Speaker 1: been official. It sounds like he I mean, it looks

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Speaker 1: like it sounds like, yeah, he's getting I was hearing

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Speaker 1: some positive things about Gary Brown as well, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's a good thing with Gary. I want to

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Speaker 1: keep the continuity running back. See that's the thing about

635
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: it with Gary Brown. I like with Gary Brown, he

636
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: seems like the one guy that's able to handle the runner,

637
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: the runner kind of you know, he's the one guy

638
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: not afraid to get in the runner's face. And I

639
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: think the runner being Ezekiel. I'm sorry, I just use

640
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: my terms. The runner. Yeah, the runner right here. I

641
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: think that he has an idea, he has He's a

642
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: good in the room. You talked about it earlier, Derek Position.

643
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: Coaches tend to be the guy that they don't want

644
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: to go talk to Scotland Ahan or Jason Garrett. They

645
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: will walk into Gary Brown's office, close the door and say, hey, man,

646
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: what really? Yeah, this is dropping me crazy, and he's

647
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: serious this this this oc here? Does he not know

648
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: what the hell he's doing? I mean, I'm trying my

649
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: best here, all right, several downs, cool brand, We'll get

650
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: this right, trust me. You gotta help me here, you know,

651
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: you work with me. Here will be That's where that's

652
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: where the assistant coaches coming. The psychologists they are. They

653
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: they're your dad, they're your mom. There, you're everything that

654
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: you you know, every every little problem you have. You're

655
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: not gonna go to Jason Garrett. Well, it's about the

656
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: process and yes, and then yes you're having you know, No,

657
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna go to some guy that they can relate

658
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: to that they can on a first name basis. Hey, Annambar,

659
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'm you know what this is.

660
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: Scott's whatever he's doing is absolutely stupid. Can you watched

661
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: some of these other games around the league? Yeah, can

662
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: we not do any of this stuff? All right? And

663
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: hey it's okay, I mean it's okay. And then they

664
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: have to be the one that that has the ability

665
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: to then go talk to that Oak or that dcor

666
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: As should say here's what's going on. Here's some things

667
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: we might need to con I've been in staff meetings

668
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: before where the position coaches speak up with this position coaches, Gary,

669
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: what about your guys? Let me tell you this bout

670
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: to lose the running back here. We're about to lose

671
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: the star running back because he's out of his mind

672
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: right now. If I have to listen to him complain

673
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: another day like I'm doctor Phil, I'm gonna lose my mind,

674
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: you know. So that's where the message gets conveyed. You know,

675
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: that's where all the things, the transitions and his scouts

676
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 1: we used to sit there and evaluate. And I think

677
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: that when you're talking about a guy like Gary Brown

678
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: who's been in the room, who's been a player, and

679
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: he can say, hey, I know what we're asking you

680
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: to do because I did it like this. And that's

681
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: not that you know to say some of these guys

682
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: that didn't play or play at this level can can't coach.

683
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: But I do think that guys like Todd Bowles and

684
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: Jerome Henderson and Greg and back on the day that

685
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: have done it and played and how's weight with I

686
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: think it does because they think you understand, Yeah, they understand,

687
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: they exactly. That's the whole thing, you know, you, you

688
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: even you when you visit with people that have the experience,

689
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: they understand the trials and tribulations and the you know,

690
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: the you know your coach isn't always gonna like you.

691
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: The OC is not always gonna like yet, he's not

692
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: gonna play you. But you you go to the position

693
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: because why am I here? Man? But I'm gonna play me?

694
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: Why am I here? But I will say this, and

695
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: there are exceptions to every rule. Probably not the best

696
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: head coach and didn't have a great experience here, but

697
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: Dave Campbell can coach defensive backs and I don't know

698
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: he played in the NFL. I don't think he did,

699
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: but I can tell you this, he can coach dbs

700
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: and so you know, there are exceptions to it. And

701
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: I know he got those guys to play for him,

702
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: so you don't have to be that way. But I

703
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: think it does help in such absolutely, and I think

704
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: maybe at the running back position maybe even more. I

705
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: don't know any statistics around that, but it just seems

706
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 1: you seem to be a position where exactly where egos

707
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: where you have egos with running backs, the reality for

708
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: a running back, a former running back to be able

709
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: to say yes, what I'm asking, if you may seem impossible,

710
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: it was asked of me as well. Yeah, it is

711
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: what you do as a running back. This is where

712
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: Nick is absolutely right about Jerome Henderson when he was

713
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: here and you have Scandrick in the room and he's

714
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: chirping with JJ Wilcox, and Wilcox is beating up on

715
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: our Scandrick's beating up on Moe, and Moe's feeling sorry

716
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: for himself, and Henderson saying, shut the hell up, Scandricks.

717
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: Sit down, Hey, get your head out of your rear

718
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 1: over there. You're okay, you know, it's all right, You'll

719
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: be fine. See that's where you get. You get all

720
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: these dynamics, the rooms, their ego rooms, defensive back room,

721
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: the receiver room, huge egos, those rooms. Right, you have

722
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: to all you have to be doctor Phil. You have

723
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: to be able to deal with a lot of personality

724
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: and its people and they get on each other, they

725
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: and they and then no, that's that's you know. Sometimes

726
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: like you say, you're like, I'm out of here, man,

727
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna do with a bunch of clowns. Hey,

728
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: real quick, I did want and before we take our

729
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: final break, I want to ask you guys about Frank Pollock.

730
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier they about the line and was trending down.

731
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: The one thing I will challenge back on that. I

732
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: want to get your opinions on this. You look at

733
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: a guy like Klyale Collins who has move positions and

734
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: by all accounts this year got better as a season

735
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: went along. You look at a guy like, um, I'm

736
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: drawn a blank on the guard Cooper, Yeah, who this

737
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: season got him got better. They played that whole left

738
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: guard spot right. If wrong to start with. If you

739
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: want to go back to last year, Ron Larry, Ron

740
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: Larry had a really great season there. So I think

741
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: there are some things that that point too. Yeah, there's

742
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: some things that point to the fact that even though

743
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: the big elephant in the room is Chaz Green and

744
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: the fact that he was not developed, there are those

745
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: other instances where it seems like they have at some development.

746
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: I agree with you. As a unit, I think that

747
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: the unit this year as an offensive line was not

748
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: as good as the unit last year. Maybe there are

749
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: injuries involved there, maybe there were other things involved. They

750
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: were not as good as they were last year, so

751
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: maybe that factors into it. But what were your overall

752
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: thoughts about the offensive line play this year versus last year,

753
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: and really, look, yeah Paula's career here as offensive line coach. Well,

754
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: let me just say this real quick about how an

755
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: offensive line can look. We all remember not Amber, of course,

756
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: but two thousand and six. We remember how bad that

757
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: offensive line was for the first six games blocking for

758
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: Bledsoe and Tony comes in and all of a sudden,

759
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: the offensive lines great. Three guys go to the Pro Bowl.

760
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: Kind of weird how that happens, Maybe the court, maybe

761
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: it all kind of plays in together a little bit.

762
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: But you're right, you make good points. I mean, those

763
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: two guys had their best year, and I think I

764
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: don't think the other three Pro bowlers. They're all Pro

765
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: bowlers too. Still, so you make good points. You know

766
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: why it was the Titans coach out, you know why

767
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: did it not not work? They made the playoffs. So

768
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: there's got to be the stuff in the room that

769
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: maybe that we don't know about, that you know, led

770
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: to this. And also a mixture of you talking about

771
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: Chas Green. Honestly, there are certain players that, yeah, you

772
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: think they have a certain potential, but it gets to

773
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: a point where you can't reach that potential and it

774
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: just comes down to the player himself and you kind

775
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: of have to move on. I mean, we've seen great

776
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: things from the old line, but then we saw this

777
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: year and you kind of wonder, what are those things

778
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: that are really happening in the you know, on the

779
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: other side of the door that we don't hear about.

780
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: So who knows, I'll tell you what. And a good

781
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: point again that two good points. The things that to

782
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: me when a coach is under contract and gets released

783
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: my experience, he had a problem with somebody else on

784
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, the offensive coordinator. Like we said, okay,

785
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not seeing it with you right now. Again,

786
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: if the guys that are contract and he gets released,

787
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: there's usually something more behind the door. We really don't know.

788
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: It's not always about just the coach. My experience, my experience.

789
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to I'm just telling you my experience.

790
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: When an offensive coordinat or another higher up coach has

791
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: a problem with a guy who's under contract and gets released, well,

792
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder how much is him like how

793
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: much was he being limited by the offensive coordinator? Like

794
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 1: those are the things that you could be doing your job,

795
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: but then you're putting some you're giving Let's say, Derek,

796
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: you're giving me some limitations to things that I can do,

797
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, you make my heart and my job very hard,

798
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: but sorry, so you're giving me some limitations. And I'm

799
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: here trying my best and doing all the things possible.

800
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, like, this is the changes we

801
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: need to do this, like can we do it? And

802
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: you're like, no, we're sticking with this. No, So then

803
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay here. No, I'm gonna tell you you

804
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: know what, stick with your thing, and good luck. It's

805
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: who's carrying the bigger stick. Yeah, and yeah, the bigger

806
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: stick will always beat up the other person. And when

807
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: you're talking about sounds terrible way to say it, but

808
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: it's it's true. It's true. Whoever, whoever has the Lenahan

809
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: has gone from a guy that needed to be fired

810
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: to a guy that all of a sudden has this

811
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: unique power or this this newfound power in that room.

812
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: Now that now everybody's kind of saying, WHOA Scott, You're

813
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: not going to have all your lieutenants come running in here.

814
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna interview some guys we're gonna interview

815
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: some guys here, especially when you're talking about this being,

816
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, last Chance You again for for the Cowboys.

817
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: I mean, get ready for the hoodie if he goes

818
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: back as a laughing on the city. Yeah, last chance

819
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: I told you you Eddy you ever set Last Chanced

820
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: That on Netflix, that show Last Chance You, It's been

821
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: its favorite show. Good, great, it is a good it's

822
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: great two years of it. Juco just it's really it's

823
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: really good show. Sounds like this is season three over

824
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: here for the for the Cowboys. But when that happens,

825
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: when that happens, it's like, uh, yeah, this is my

826
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: last chance. I'm going down swinging. I want a new

827
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: old line coach. I want a new receivers coach. There

828
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: you go, change it up, there you go. Well, we'll

829
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: see if it all works. Let's take our final break.

830
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: When we come back. I do want to talk about

831
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: these NFL playoffs. There are some interesting things that happened

832
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: this last weekend and some things that I think that

833
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: have bigger implications on the rest of the league. We'll

834
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,840
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869
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Speaker 1: to the break, Welcome back. It's the final segment of

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Speaker 1: The Break live from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star,

877
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk a little bit about NFL playoffs.

878
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: So interesting games last weekend, to say the least, fun

879
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: weekend to watch football, especially if you didn't have a

880
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: dog in the fight, because there were some really weird

881
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: things that happened. Um, and I want to get into

882
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: some of it. I will say this real quick though.

883
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: We were talking about this on off the air just

884
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: a few minutes ago. You have to go down that route.

885
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: I mean, with all the Michael Vicks. I mean, I mean,

886
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: can we just change that up? Maybe a dog in

887
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: the fight? I mean, sorry, yeah, let's change that up.

888
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: Welcome to two eight change. You can't say anything I

889
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: used to know? But no, Okay, so you didn't have

890
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: a team you were rooting for. Is that enough for you? Okay,

891
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: let's work with that. Um, but you didn't care who won.

892
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: But I was thinking to myself, like, what was that.

893
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: I guess that would have been Sunday night, right around

894
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: midnight or so. I was thinking. Saints right now are

895
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: landing back in New Orleans and they're waking up, you know,

896
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: because everybody fell asleep on the flight and they're waking

897
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: up and looking around like did that really just happen

898
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: to us? Like are we really out of it? And Brian,

899
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: you were talking about the finality of all that. Yeah,

900
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: we've experienced. We've experienced a couple of years ago and

901
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: back they when you thought for a second, oh, we're

902
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: gonna win this game and then just like that, not

903
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: only have you lose though, right, never like that? Huh no, no, no,

904
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: yeah like that. No, the Minnesota thing was way different.

905
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: That was that was some miraculous thing where you kind

906
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: of like there had to be some greater power that engine.

907
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: You're at that, like, how does that happen? Right? But

908
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: I want to say is you have to try. You

909
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: have to try to lose a game like that, and

910
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: that's kind of you have to just say, oh, I'm

911
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: gonna duck in and not get a PI. Oh he didn't.

912
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: He did not get a PI. Yeah he didn't. Not

913
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: for him, he didn't know. But poor kid, I know,

914
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: he's a great player and he's good, good, gonna be

915
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: a good he was gonna be fine, he'll be fine.

916
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: It's just a hard thing to do. Sat Slaus. That

917
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: game in the first half turnover. Yeah they didn't play, Yeah,

918
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: they didn't play their best ball in the you know.

919
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is like I'm sure yeah when

920
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: you talk about not having any bundant to root for,

921
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: like either way, whoever won the game? Like, I guarantee

922
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: you I got some of these tweets and it's always

923
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: Cowboys related about you know, everything just turns back to

924
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. And I'm sure there was a lot of

925
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: just deleades of I can't believe Jerry Jones would let

926
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: Sean Payton go. Oh yeah, I can't believe Jerry Jones

927
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: would let Mike Zimmer go. I mean, you know, yeah,

928
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: that's what happened. That's how it goes. But there was

929
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: a general theme I think this weekend that seems to

930
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: be a little bit different than what than something we've

931
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: seen before. I was convinced that eventually, when you got

932
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: into the playoffs, the quarterback play would matter, and it

933
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: would matter in some instances more than the defenses, because

934
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: you had a lot of teams that were really good

935
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: defensive teams and you had quarterbacks that you just didn't

936
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: I'll speak for myself, I really didn't believe in I

937
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: didn't think that they had the ability to go and

938
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: win in the playoffs and and make plays they were

939
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: gonna need to make in playoff games, because that happens

940
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: in playoff games. I don't care what kind of defense

941
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: you got, They're gonna have to be moments where back

942
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: has to make a play. I didn't think those quarterbacks would,

943
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of them did this last weekend, and

944
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: their defense were able to carry them along with their

945
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: quarterbacks playing, in my opinion, maybe a little bit above

946
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: their heads. You saw Nick Foles play live. Yeah, I

947
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: mean Nick Foles was a disaster that last game. I

948
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: mean to the point where you're like, there's no way.

949
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they're Philadelphia's defense. And it still might be

950
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: the case. But if you look at Nick Foles, Doug

951
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: Peterson did a really nice job of calling a game

952
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: for him. You know, he knew, Okay, my defense is

953
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: good enough here today. You know, that's what you talk

954
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 1: about coaches knowing the condition of their team and knowing

955
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: what they have to do in a game. He says, Okay,

956
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: keep throwing the ball short. Keep throwing it short. They're

957
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: not going to carry the fast option right right, Yeah,

958
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: exactly let's keep doing things. Let's keep doing things that

959
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: that Nick Foles can do. You know, early in the

960
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: game he was awful and you're like going, oh, no,

961
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: here we go, it's gonna go. But he outplayed Matt Ryan,

962
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean, that's that's where that's where

963
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: that you have to look at. That's where coaching comes

964
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 1: in a little bit, right there, get their quarterback actually

965
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: play better. When you look at the teams that advanced

966
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,959
Speaker 1: to this championship weekend, for all four of them, women

967
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: are in the top five as far as scoring defense.

968
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: It does somewhat suggests to me that defense is a

969
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: good viable way even if your quarterback play is enough

970
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: to speed for you to get there. You think, and

971
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: I guess when you turn the question then back to

972
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, do you think the Cowboys are trending in

973
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: the right way defensively? You did? Like what you saw

974
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: a little bit from the cornerbacks and the secondary is

975
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: they were starting to mature a little bit. You hope

976
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: at least that Jalen Smith is going to continue to

977
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: take the next step and be a better player than

978
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: he was this year. He saw a couple of flashes.

979
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: You hope that DeMarcus Lawrence number one is back and

980
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: number two continues to be the dominant defensive end that

981
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: he was this year. So there are some things that

982
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: make you hopeful, But what are your just overall thoughts

983
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: of this defense when you're competing against teams like this

984
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: to have really great defenses. In my case, I feel,

985
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean i feel a lot more hopeful and more

986
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: excited towards the future of this defense just because I've

987
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: seen some improvement and just looking at the playoffs, honestly,

988
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: it just upsets me because seeing those teams playing and

989
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: the turnout, I just go back with the Cowboys, and

990
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: I truly believe that the Cowboys do have talent. I mean,

991
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: they have plenty of resources, they have all the resources

992
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: they need. They have talent, but it's just not being

993
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: used the way it should be used. And I remember

994
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 1: in the middle of the season several players actually told

995
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: me this that they felt that the coaches weren't placing

996
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: them in the right position, they weren't used the right

997
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: way so for them to succeed. And again, it's just

998
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: upsetting to see something go to waste like that. What's

999
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 1: going to be your biggest question going into camp next year.

1000
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody likes to talk about the pass rush.

1001
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: What's going to be your question? Because you feel like

1002
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: maybe the pass rush is taking care of it though,

1003
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: don't you. Yeah, I mean, so what's going to be

1004
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: the big question? Safety? I've always been with the safety

1005
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: and honestly, I mean we've seen it. Honestly, to me,

1006
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: at this point, it's just I just feel like it

1007
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You can have the greatest talent, but if

1008
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: you're not coaching him right or placing him in the

1009
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: right spot in position, it's not So you're more concerned

1010
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: about coaching than you are really the players. Yeah, well,

1011
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: but you also have to take in part that any

1012
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: most players that are out of the league, there's a

1013
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: reason for it. If you go ask any player that's

1014
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: been out of the league, if it lasts maybe four

1015
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: or five years, you know, they got hurt, they didn't

1016
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: get you know, they didn't somebody didn't put them in

1017
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: the right position. That doesn't always mean that it's bad coaching.

1018
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: It just means you know, you're not maybe you're not

1019
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 1: doing your job. Like for instance, like Bryce was saying

1020
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: that the other day, and there are some things that

1021
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: he said that you kind of agree with Yeah, but

1022
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, when your best season a twenty one catches

1023
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: and it was with Oakland who traded you, you know,

1024
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: and he hasn't done better than that. It's hard for

1025
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: anybody like a Michael Irvin sit there and go, who

1026
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: is this guy? You know? And I and I really

1027
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: wonder whose fifth receiver has ever made it to first take? This?

1028
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: Is he changing? Him challenging the receivers? If he challenged Williams,

1029
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: would you have felt better about his argument? Yeah? If

1030
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: he doesn't challenge the receiving cores, but he challenges Yeah,

1031
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams, I'm challenging. Yeah, there's a reason, you know,

1032
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: but he somebody kind of did because he said, you

1033
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: look at the money he got paid, right, But I

1034
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: think overall we trying to win. Yeah, he did kind

1035
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: of challenge. This is where you say, I don't disagree

1036
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: with you there because if he's challenging Williams spot but

1037
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: you know he plays X. I mean it's the same

1038
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: position as Deaz and I. I mean, so I'm just

1039
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: kind of sitting there thinking, I understand challenging Williams. I

1040
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: get that because I think he's a better player than

1041
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: Willie too. Yeah, honestly, I think and the way I

1042
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: looked at it, him challenging Dez was more about the

1043
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: him saying, look, you got a guy that got more

1044
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: within one hundred targets, there were plenty opportunities when you

1045
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: could have gotten me more involved, right, And with the

1046
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: opportunities I got, I felt like I did the most

1047
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: with him. He averaged over twenty yards per cats. Right,

1048
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: So he's saying, here's the guy that got the most receptions,

1049
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: and what did he do with them. You look at that,

1050
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: and you take some of those away, and you send

1051
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: him my way, we would have been a better team.

1052
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: That was his argument, I think, more so than just

1053
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: challenging Dez directly and saying I'm a better player than Dez,

1054
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: more just saying you spend a lot of your reason,

1055
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: a lot of your time going to him. See that's

1056
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: where Garrett loses me, because you'll say, well, you have

1057
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: to spread the ball around. You really didn't. Didn't spread

1058
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 1: the ball around, you know, and right, and Dez Bryant's

1059
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: gonna get targets. But this is where Butler's absolutely right.

1060
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: When Jason Garrett stands up and somebody like Nick Eatman

1061
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: asked a question about well what about getting Cole Beasley?

1062
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: But what about getting Ryan Switzer ball? Well, you know,

1063
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: we'd like to get everybody involved. Well, no, you really don't.

1064
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: You really don't. You're throwing one guy a hundred targets.

1065
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: This sperg doesn't get everyone involved. Oh, it will be stupid.

1066
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: Not at first and the ball to Elliott, throw the

1067
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: ball to Bryant, throw the ball for first downs to win,

1068
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: and then let's figure this thing out. But that's you know,

1069
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: speaking of Pittsburgh. I'm changing up a little bit. Um,

1070
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: is there any doubt that, I mean, Todd Gurley will

1071
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: make a big case for it. And but Levion Bell

1072
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: is not the best running back in the league. He

1073
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: wants to get paid that way. But I think you

1074
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: saw right there. Give me Zeke all day long. Now,

1075
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: if I don't play fantasy football, I mean, if I

1076
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: play fantasy football, totally different with Levion Bell, because Levion

1077
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: Bell is gonna get you all these these points and

1078
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: all these catches, and that really aren't you know, they're

1079
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: kind of explain me why you say he's not the

1080
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: best running back, because there were times in that game

1081
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: when his cute style of wait, wait, wait, that doesn't

1082
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,479
Speaker 1: work against Jacksonville, and it didn't work there, and I'm

1083
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: just thinking, I watched the game, and I'm just thinking, man,

1084
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: I'd love to have Zeke right there. I'd love to

1085
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: have Zeke fourth and one, smash it right in there.

1086
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: And and yes, he is very productive, and most teams

1087
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: would love to have Leveon Bell, and he's gonna ask

1088
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: to be paid that way, receiver, running back, all that stuff.

1089
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: But I just think some of those stats are hollow,

1090
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: and I think fantasy football plays a part into it.

1091
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: And he's not the guy that I want rounding into

1092
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: the goal line fourth and one. You're not throwing it

1093
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: over the middle to Juju Smith. You're gonna hand the

1094
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: ball off. Now, I get you, And I think that

1095
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't think they're hollow because I think this is

1096
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: a classic case of the two styles of running backs.

1097
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's the Barry Sanders versus Emmett Smith. Right,

1098
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: you got the one guy that's that's flashy and has

1099
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: all the moves and can get out of trouble. And yes,

1100
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna take some negative plays because sometimes they're trying

1101
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: to do too much. They're trying to instead of just

1102
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: taking it right up the gut right and getting the

1103
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: four yards or the three yards or even the one yard,

1104
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: they kind of dance around and they get you the

1105
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: negative two, right. But there are also those plays where

1106
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: dancing around may turn what would have been a negative

1107
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: play into a thirty yard run. Right. So I just

1108
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: think it's a different style. You're right, there's some things

1109
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: that Zeke does infinitely better than Levion Bell. Also think

1110
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,959
Speaker 1: there's some things that Levon Bell does that are better

1111
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: than what Zeke does. If I'm if I'm choosing the

1112
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: guy I'd rather have coming out of the backfield, I

1113
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: still have not seen that pass catching guy that we

1114
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: thought we were getting with Ezekiel Elliott here. I haven't

1115
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: seen him do that regularly yet. He has not been

1116
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: a great pass catching running back out of the back

1117
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: of That's not on the not on the on the

1118
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: level of a Levion Bell. No, no, but Levon Bell

1119
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: couldn't couldn't run the ball at the middle of the way.

1120
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: And that's but that's my point, like there are things

1121
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: that each one does ye well and not so well.

1122
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 1: Her point as well. It was earlier about talking about

1123
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: the coaches and putting guys in position. Now, you're right,

1124
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: could somebody come in and say, hey, listen, man and

1125
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: maybe Paul Alexander. You know the screen package we had

1126
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: or this this running back package we had in Cincinnati

1127
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: that got Mixon and those guys, Gio Bernard got those

1128
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: guys going well, hey what about this? Using this with

1129
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: Zeke and all of a sudden Scott Linehank goes, we

1130
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: haven't done enough. Way. You're right, that's a good way.

1131
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 1: That's a good way of doing. But when we go

1132
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: to the every game, we see it every game, and

1133
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: what do we see two hours before the game, when

1134
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: we get on the field, what do we see. We

1135
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: see Zach Martin, Yeah, growing the ball, Travis Frederick on

1136
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: deep passes okay, and Frederick always gets yeah, yeah always.

1137
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't always look pretty. I don't know how many guards, centers,

1138
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: Pro bowlers that are doing that which they actually moved,

1139
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: you know pretty well. You got a guy with good

1140
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: hands with Zeke. There's really no reason to not have

1141
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: a better screen game than they do. And so I

1142
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: agree with you there, and I think I think Zeke,

1143
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, you talked about guys that are six games.

1144
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: That's the good point. Can't dispute that. But I but

1145
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: but I do think that when you're talking about a

1146
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: flashy player like Levon Bell and that one that's a

1147
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: real gritty Zeke to me is a little bit of both.

1148
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: Zeke to me is closer to Walter Payton than him

1149
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: at Smith because he is a nasty football player that's

1150
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: got flair, that's got athletic ability, but when it's time

1151
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: to duck his head and get you know, he could

1152
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, I would say I'd be interested to

1153
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: see if you if you if you ask defenders, who

1154
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: would you not want to play to have to tackle?

1155
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: I think that I think that they would sell. They

1156
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: would say Zeke. Well for different reasons, right the look back, right,

1157
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: but it's gonna hurt. The physicality, the physicality of wearing

1158
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: you out game after game after or down after down

1159
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: after down. Currently might be the you know, or the

1160
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: best in the league. Yeah. To be honest, I think

1161
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: that the three of them are equally good. I think

1162
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: they all have different skill sets that make them good.

1163
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: So it took Sean McVay was the best thing that

1164
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: ever happened to Gurly. Yeah, and the end of that

1165
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: quarterback as well, So real quick we got about three

1166
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: minutes left. We do this normally on our show on

1167
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: a game week, we get predictions. I want to get

1168
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: predictions from you guys on who's gonna win these, uh

1169
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: these upcoming games this week in NFL, NFC, in AFC

1170
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: championship games, and then who do you think is gonna

1171
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. You've got Philadelphia and Minnesota matching

1172
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: up in Philadelphia this week, and then you have jackson

1173
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: heading to New England. Let's start first with you, Brian,

1174
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: give me some winners for those two games, and then

1175
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 1: who you think is gonna win Super Well, it always

1176
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: feels like that there's gonna be a home team's gonna win,

1177
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: and then a visitor is gonna win. And this is

1178
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: gonna be and I'm gonna be over two, but I'm

1179
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: gonna go with Minnesota's gonna win the home The home

1180
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: game are actually on the road, but I'm gonna switch

1181
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: it up. I'm gonna say that both road teams. I'm

1182
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: calling for the upset in New England. I really do.

1183
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: I think Jacksonville defensively and I'm interested to see how

1184
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: they play Grinkowski, I really am. And would you take

1185
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: a chance of putting Ramsey on him and saying, Okay,

1186
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a chance with a Bouyer and Gibson,

1187
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: a Church and those guys. What other receiving threat, Yeah exactly, Yeah, whoever,

1188
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: whoever else? The guy that could beat you in New

1189
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: England is Gronkowski. That's the one. I think that Jacksonville's

1190
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: good enough up front to keep them from running the football.

1191
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: So can you put pressure, get Brady's eye level down,

1192
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: make him look at the rush and then cover on

1193
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: the back end, hold the football rush straight him. That's

1194
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: what's gonna be. Can Bortles be good enough? That's gonna

1195
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: be your big question too. But yeah, give me, give

1196
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: me the two road teams this weekend and kind of

1197
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: weird football weekend. Who wins the Super Bowl? I will

1198
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: go with. I'll tell you what I'll stick with, Jacksonville.

1199
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: I think Jacksonville. I think that's team in the NFL. Yeah,

1200
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: I think Jacksonville's got the I think they got they

1201
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: run the football, the quarterback is protected a little bit better.

1202
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: Minnesota's got a great defense, But I think I feel like, though,

1203
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: when you talk about the defense travels running games travel,

1204
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: Jacksonville's got a combination and Tom Coughlin in that building

1205
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: and Doug Morone and those guys. I feel like they've

1206
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: got that kind of that toughness about him. Could be

1207
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: way wrong, but I said it for them about a

1208
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: minute there, all right, Amber, that's gonna be a good

1209
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: game to watch. I mean, Jacksonville and I don't know,

1210
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: it's hard to bet against New England. It's to the

1211
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: point that it's just like, Okay, yeah, that's the money

1212
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: winner right there. But I just think it's gonna be

1213
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: a good matchup. But still, I'm just gonna stick with

1214
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: New England and then Minnesota probably. I think I'm surprised

1215
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: that the Eagles have been able to get this far

1216
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: with like their quarterback. Both teams should have lost. Yeah,

1217
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: both teams should have lost in their games. They really

1218
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: should have last week. But maybe I just can't put

1219
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: my money on the Eagles. I don't like them. So

1220
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go with the other team in Minnesota

1221
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: and super Bowl. Just to Brady a right supposed expert,

1222
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: real expert. Um. You know the teams that have gotten

1223
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: um Tom Brady out of the playoffs, the Giants, Tom Coughlin,

1224
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: who um, the Ravens, you know they can get after him,

1225
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: and I know Jacksonville can't do. Denver has as well

1226
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: obviously with with those guys. But you know, I've never

1227
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: heard so much talk about how great a defense was.

1228
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: They gave up forty two points, Like I mean, they

1229
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: they they can be exposed as well. Now, I know

1230
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: they game was a kind of a shootout and they

1231
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: can take a life. But this ain't the two. This

1232
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: ain't the Baltimore Ravens from two thousand, This ain't Tampa

1233
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers from two thousand. It spreaks a good offense, yeah,

1234
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: I mean, and it held offload nothing the way before.

1235
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: I think New England will will win this game. I agree,

1236
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: it's hard to bet against them at home. Um and

1237
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong, but I'm gonna go with with

1238
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: Philadelphia to win the game. And it's weird because I

1239
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: don't want to see Philadelphia in there, just mainly because

1240
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: of them, and I love the fact that their fans

1241
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: will still have zero um and UM, but I don't

1242
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: want to see a home team in the super Bowl.

1243
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: And I know you think that it's not going to

1244
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: be that way, but I disagree. I think you're you're

1245
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: gonna hear a very oh at the super Bowl. I

1246
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: don't want to I don't want to hear this will

1247
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: be this New England Philly. Yeah, this would be a

1248
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: test case though, if Minnesota does get in, if future

1249
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: for future super Bowls, what works and what doesn't go?

1250
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: You know, because they're gonna learn the practice at their

1251
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: facility if they get in. Yeah, and it's so it's

1252
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: just gonna be weird different. But that could also be

1253
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: and I was having this conversation my nephews other today,

1254
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: this could also be a distraction. That's what you don't

1255
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: know about super Bowls not being being in your home city. Friends,

1256
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: families still all around. Everybody in the city is still

1257
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: patting you on the back every time you walk out

1258
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: of your door. Like that could be a bigger distraction

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Speaker 1: than having to pick up your team and move to

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Speaker 1: another city. Well, yeah, you still got fans around, but

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Speaker 1: you don't have people that are at arms linked to

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Speaker 1: you and now have access. I get that. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: they take them and put them in a hotel, but

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Speaker 1: still you're in the city marks and they are more

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Speaker 1: accessible to all of your normal environment. That might also

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Speaker 1: be like all the other hangers on and stuff like

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Speaker 1: that that are now they're with you in the same city.

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Speaker 1: That that could be a distraction, but that their facility,

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Speaker 1: they can cut people off, you know, they could keep

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Speaker 1: people away if they just kind of contain their think,

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Speaker 1: who'd you got? I'm actually this weekend, my rooting interests

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Speaker 1: will be different from what I think is going to happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I ultimately think Philadelphia and New England get in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't want either one of them in. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: want Jacksonville to win that game to the dark Side,

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Speaker 1: and then I want, I actually want to see Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: win the championship because I don't want to see I

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Speaker 1: want to see that young team develop. I like that team,

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Speaker 1: I have fun, I like watching you know who does

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Speaker 1: it want to see Jacksonville, Minnesota the NFL. But I

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Speaker 1: will say this, I do think at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, once again, I think quarterback matters, and I

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Speaker 1: think because of that, New England is up winning it. Sure.

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Speaker 1: I think in all of these games, I think it's

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Speaker 1: still gonna come down to Tom Brady is infinitely, infinitely

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Speaker 1: a better quarterback than any of these other three, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's gonna matter. Every thought that about Matt

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Speaker 1: Ryan and Foles. Didn't we Matt Ryan's a little more

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Speaker 1: flaky than Tom Brady, But I get your point. You're

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Speaker 1: right about that. I thought more about that about New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: I thought that you used to pull it out right.

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Speaker 1: All Right, We appreciate you guys going back in two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Remember next week we'll have all these guys out covering

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bill Singior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama, So make

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Speaker 1: sure you check out all of their coverage. Still then

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