WEBVTT - STATE DEPT EXPOSES ANTIFA-HAMAS TIES | STINCHFIELD TONIGHT | AUGUST 26TH, 2026 0:00:02.140 --> 0:00:02.600 Thank you. 0:00:19.950 --> 0:00:21.890 Well, good evening, everyone. Welcome to Stinchfield. 0:00:21.930 --> 0:00:26.349 The Antifa goons are out in full force today, disrupting 0:00:26.550 --> 0:00:29.640 what I would call a rally in support of independent 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.460 journalist Nick Shirley, you know, the guy that uncovered all 0:00:32.500 --> 0:00:35.979 of that fraud. This was outside the Capitol in California. 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:38.559 And boy, they were going hog wild. 0:00:40.490 --> 0:00:41.709 What is the issue with Nick Shirley? 0:00:41.750 --> 0:00:42.850 I'm trying to understand. Twice the premises. 0:00:43.500 --> 0:00:45.180 He's a white supremacist. 0:00:44.620 --> 0:00:51.420 Who only exists to divert attention from actual issues within communities. 0:00:53.550 --> 0:00:57.590 Those people were actually counter protesters. There were good conservatives 0:00:57.610 --> 0:01:01.290 there in support of Nick Shirley, basically speaking out against 0:01:01.330 --> 0:01:06.940 this overreaching unconstitutional law that would imprison journalists for exposing 0:01:07.100 --> 0:01:12.470 fraud amongst the immigrant community services industry. It's a ridiculous, 0:01:12.530 --> 0:01:14.690 ridiculous law. I don't think it would hold up at 0:01:14.730 --> 0:01:17.930 the Supreme Court level. But the reality is if they 0:01:17.950 --> 0:01:21.130 don't like what you have to say, well, they turn 0:01:21.170 --> 0:01:21.890 to thuggery. 0:01:21.950 --> 0:01:24.569 Look what happened to Ben Berkman, who was outside the Capitol. 0:01:25.830 --> 0:01:27.470 Don't touch me. 0:01:27.630 --> 0:01:30.970 Don't touch me. Don't touch me. Don't touch me. Don't 0:01:31.020 --> 0:01:34.400 touch me. Don't touch me. Don't touch me. 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:35.760 Don't touch me. 0:01:38.180 --> 0:01:41.839 They are the party of violence and lawlessness. 0:01:41.940 --> 0:01:45.330 All Ben Berkman was doing was trying to cover an event. 0:02:00.530 --> 0:02:02.690 Same thing as Nick Shirley, trying to uncover the fraud, 0:02:02.730 --> 0:02:04.510 but they don't want any part of that when they're 0:02:04.530 --> 0:02:05.780 the ones being exposed. 0:02:06.170 --> 0:02:06.860 I want to bring in. 0:02:06.820 --> 0:02:09.980 Now Rav Correspondent, who was just at this Nick Shirley rally. 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.080 You just saw him at Indy Capital in Sacramento. Ben 0:02:13.100 --> 0:02:15.660 Berkwum is here. Ben, welcome back to the show. 0:02:17.380 --> 0:02:19.970 Hey, thank you, Grant. Long time, one day. No see. 0:02:20.410 --> 0:02:23.150 Yeah, Ben, well, you know you're welcome here any night. 0:02:23.210 --> 0:02:24.190 You do such a great job. 0:02:24.230 --> 0:02:26.210 I'd have you on every single night if I could, Ben. 0:02:26.950 --> 0:02:28.750 What went down there today? I saw some of them 0:02:28.770 --> 0:02:29.369 got arrested. 0:02:31.410 --> 0:02:35.089 Yeah, the good news is it was a small contingent 0:02:35.180 --> 0:02:40.040 of these radical, rabid leftists, the fascists that call themselves anti-fascists, 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:45.000 that showed up in opposition to Nick Shirley, in reality, 0:02:45.100 --> 0:02:48.250 in support of fraud. That's what they're out there protesting. 0:02:48.610 --> 0:02:50.709 They may have couched it as something else, but that's 0:02:50.730 --> 0:02:54.350 the reality. They want fraud. They want illegal alien services 0:02:54.570 --> 0:02:57.389 to be able to continue to commit fraud. And so 0:02:57.410 --> 0:02:59.450 they're out there attacking Nick Shirley. We went out there 0:02:59.530 --> 0:03:03.230 to cover that. Thankfully, there were 100 times the number 0:03:03.410 --> 0:03:05.030 of patriots out there. 0:03:05.050 --> 0:03:07.630 There were hundreds of patriots. And there were probably 40 0:03:07.630 --> 0:03:10.370 of these goons, as I love that term you use. 0:03:10.950 --> 0:03:12.549 And they tried to get violent with me. 0:03:12.570 --> 0:03:15.680 You know, we stood our ground and stood back up 0:03:15.740 --> 0:03:16.179 against them. 0:03:16.220 --> 0:03:16.600 But they are. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.079 That's all they are. All they have is violence. Their 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.640 ideas don't work. Their policies don't work. And so they 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.060 send out these brown shirts to try to intimidate people. 0:03:24.100 --> 0:03:26.380 But the group that I was out there with were 0:03:26.419 --> 0:03:27.060 not intimidated. 0:03:27.889 --> 0:03:30.669 So they don't stop us from covering the real news, 0:03:30.870 --> 0:03:34.230 which is supporting Nick Shirley and independent journalists of all kinds, 0:03:34.290 --> 0:03:35.410 including yourself, Ben. 0:03:36.290 --> 0:03:38.570 Roll a clip from Nick Shirley outside the Capitol today. 0:03:39.690 --> 0:03:43.890 Unfortunately for him, he just started this battle that we're 0:03:43.930 --> 0:03:44.690 bringing upon him. 0:03:44.930 --> 0:03:45.590 That's why. 0:03:46.930 --> 0:03:49.070 I'm here today, because this is not the end. 0:03:49.090 --> 0:03:50.090 This is just the beginning. 0:03:50.490 --> 0:03:51.750 Thank you all so much for coming out. 0:03:51.810 --> 0:03:52.940 Thank you so much for sharing this. 0:03:55.350 --> 0:03:55.530 All right. 0:03:55.870 --> 0:03:57.790 Nick Shirley says it's not the end. The battle has 0:03:57.810 --> 0:04:00.550 just begun. But you don't have much backup out there. Ben, 0:04:00.590 --> 0:04:03.720 I'm curious, when you're getting virtually attacked, were there any 0:04:03.780 --> 0:04:04.780 police there to help you? 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:07.640 No, there were none. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.840 They showed up later, only after Antifa started getting beat up. 0:04:12.140 --> 0:04:14.320 There were some patriots that went out there and some 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.870 of these trannies started attacking them and You don't know 0:04:16.910 --> 0:04:19.210 who they are anymore, but they started punching patriots, and 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.219 then they started getting beat up, and then. 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.040 They started calling for the police. I mean, you can't 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:24.760 make this stuff up. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:26.719 The people that want to defund the police, once they 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.800 actually get taught a lesson, they start calling. 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:31.020 For the police. 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.100 But to Nick Shirley's point, this is what they were 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:33.500 calling for. 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:35.300 The moral of the story is we can't back down 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:40.740 on exposing this fraud and exposing these criminal organizations. 0:04:40.060 --> 0:04:43.409 That are taking our tax dollars. So regardless of the 0:04:43.450 --> 0:04:43.950 fact that. 0:04:43.870 --> 0:04:47.070 Gavin Newsom passed this unconstitutional law, it's going to get 0:04:47.110 --> 0:04:51.050 challenged to the Supreme Court. But beyond that, it's our 0:04:51.190 --> 0:04:53.560 duty to continue to do it, even in the face 0:04:53.980 --> 0:04:55.279 of this unconstitutional law. 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:56.960 Well, I know you will. 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.339 Ben Berkham, as always, thank you for coming on the 0:04:59.380 --> 0:05:00.060 program tonight. 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:02.219 My pleasure. 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:02.700 Thank you, Grant. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:04.020 Absolutely. 0:05:04.060 --> 0:05:06.140 And make sure you check out Ben's new book, Step 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:10.810 Into Fear. You can pre-order it on Amazon now. Speaking 0:05:11.010 --> 0:05:15.760 of Antifa, the same day that that happened outside the 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:20.640 Capitol in Sacramento, the State Department released a very damning 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:25.960 new report on an international technology cooperative, is what they've 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:30.240 dubbed this thing. This is now under a U.S. global 0:05:30.660 --> 0:05:37.460 terrorism designation. This cooperative out of Italy was providing services. 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:41.430 To, you ready for this, Hamas, okay, Iran's. 0:05:41.210 --> 0:05:46.210 IRGC, the radical military arm of the regime, and one 0:05:46.250 --> 0:05:52.609 of Portland's most notorious Antifa gangs, the Rose City Antifa group. 0:05:53.350 --> 0:06:02.160 This technology cooperative provides messaging services, meetups, highly, highly sophisticated 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.160 digital infrastructure for all these groups. Now think about it, 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:09.589 an American Antifa group using the same technology as Hamas, 0:06:09.970 --> 0:06:14.110 using the same technology as Iran's IRGC, to do what? 0:06:14.529 --> 0:06:20.880 To organize, to recruit, to communicate, to not only designate, 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:28.060 but disseminate target information. This is, again, from terrorist groups 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.479 overseas to, I would dub Antifa a terrorist group here 0:06:31.500 --> 0:06:31.800 at home. 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:33.740 They would also talk about tactics. 0:06:33.820 --> 0:06:39.390 Look at these from the Autistici Inventati group, okay? 0:06:40.330 --> 0:06:44.120 VO2, please. This is what it reads. 0:06:44.670 --> 0:06:47.950 This is a screenshot of all of this. The arson 0:06:47.990 --> 0:06:52.690 page compiles guides on setting fires. The sabotage techniques page 0:06:52.750 --> 0:06:54.770 compiles sabotage techniques. 0:06:54.370 --> 0:06:56.190 For different types of infrastructure. 0:06:56.740 --> 0:07:02.560 The maps page compiles mapping projects focused on infrastructure and 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:10.050 extractive industries. The same technology, again, as Hamas and IRGC 0:07:10.290 --> 0:07:14.130 used by Antifa and Here in the United States, the 0:07:14.190 --> 0:07:18.760 Rose City Antifa group posted this flyer. 0:07:19.860 --> 0:07:25.050 Check this out. It reads, You're invited. Laser tag. 0:07:25.230 --> 0:07:28.130 This Saturday, October 11th at 9 p.m., and you're invited 0:07:28.150 --> 0:07:29.929 to fight back. All you need is a laser. 0:07:30.430 --> 0:07:30.930 Leave home. 0:07:30.950 --> 0:07:33.010 They can see where the laser is coming from. Go 0:07:33.030 --> 0:07:35.410 to a park, a field, or some other public space. 0:07:35.930 --> 0:07:39.220 And once the clock strikes 9, unleash your beam. 0:07:39.260 --> 0:07:42.140 At the cop copter. Mask up. 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.120 Well, we have an image from the cop copter. This 0:07:46.220 --> 0:07:48.740 is what it looks like. This is a Customs and 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:53.780 Border Protection vehicle. helicopter that is being laser beamed with 0:07:53.820 --> 0:07:58.440 a green laser in Portland by those Antifa goons, as 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:03.440 we said. Let's flash back. 0:08:05.980 --> 0:08:09.560 To an attack. Excuse me. Excuse me. No, let's go 0:08:09.580 --> 0:08:11.730 to the U.S. State Department. Sorry about that. 0:08:12.150 --> 0:08:12.450 U.S. 0:08:12.470 --> 0:08:18.270 State Department tweet about this technology group It reads this, 0:08:18.490 --> 0:08:21.830 anarchists waged a violent campaign against a police facility in 0:08:21.890 --> 0:08:26.850 Georgia using an AI-hosted site. That's not AI as artificial intelligence. 0:08:26.890 --> 0:08:29.750 That's AI as the name of the group. To dox 0:08:29.810 --> 0:08:34.470 government employees and share instructions on building bombs to target 0:08:34.510 --> 0:08:39.059 government buildings. The attacks resulted in domestic terrorism charges that 0:08:39.140 --> 0:08:42.400 left an officer injured. This is where we go to 0:08:42.420 --> 0:08:47.680 the footage of that officer being injured. In this attack, 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.960 this is the kind of craziness that we're seeing from 0:08:52.059 --> 0:08:57.150 Antifa groups all over the place. Now, I want to 0:08:57.190 --> 0:09:01.310 bring in to discuss all of this investigative reporter, national 0:09:01.350 --> 0:09:07.850 security expert, U.S. Army veteran who infiltrated terrorist networks, including Antifa. 0:09:08.330 --> 0:09:11.070 Scott Wheeler is with us. Scott, welcome to the program. 0:09:12.150 --> 0:09:12.429 Thanks. 0:09:12.470 --> 0:09:13.170 Good to see you, Grant. 0:09:14.059 --> 0:09:14.939 Good to see you, Scott. 0:09:15.059 --> 0:09:15.600 What do you. 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:19.020 Make of the sophistication of this crew being used by 0:09:19.100 --> 0:09:22.860 Hamas and Antifa? Are you surprised by any of this? 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:24.080 What do you make of it, Scott? 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.350 Well, I've been tracking for about 10 years, Hamas for 0:09:28.370 --> 0:09:31.970 a lot longer than that, about 24 years. And so 0:09:32.850 --> 0:09:37.510 we've known that they use sophisticated methods and techniques. Their writings, 0:09:37.550 --> 0:09:41.689 we've noticed for a long period of time, carry with 0:09:41.710 --> 0:09:42.329 them an air of. 0:09:44.890 --> 0:09:50.040 Erudition to, like, college professors write these things, not, you know, 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:54.320 these aren't street thugs, these aren't your average, what you 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.670 would think of as an Antifa thug that you, like, 0:09:57.730 --> 0:10:00.540 they ran into in Sacramento, or like I ran into 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.439 up in Buffalo when I was solving this case of 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:07.740 the firebombing of the pro-life clinic up there. They are 0:10:07.780 --> 0:10:10.060 just the street thugs. This is run by a very 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:16.240 sophisticated organizations. They're very clever. Their structure is similar to ISIS. 0:10:16.660 --> 0:10:21.290 It's like spiders. And so it's very hard to connect 0:10:21.330 --> 0:10:24.800 them with one another, but we have known for some 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:29.240 time that they are getting, their central orders and the 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:33.420 intelligence center of this is somewhere in Europe. We suspected 0:10:33.500 --> 0:10:37.689 Germany and there is some connection to Germany, but this 0:10:38.130 --> 0:10:41.330 revelation by the State Department, something that we would have 0:10:41.390 --> 0:10:44.390 expected to come from the FBI, but it came from 0:10:44.750 --> 0:10:51.930 Marco Rubio's State Department. This Italian organization, they've long been 0:10:51.970 --> 0:10:56.849 known for having sophisticated terrorist operations. They're going all the 0:10:56.870 --> 0:10:59.810 way back to the 70s during the years of lead. 0:11:00.570 --> 0:11:05.290 And they've always been there in Italy, Greece, Germany. You know, 0:11:05.650 --> 0:11:10.150 you had the Baader-Meinhof gang. So it looks like this 0:11:10.230 --> 0:11:16.599 is a multinational organization, and it is very cleverly run. 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:16.800 Scott. 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.959 Scott, I was surprised too, by the way, that it 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.460 came from the State Department and not the FBI or 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:27.760 maybe the CIA, something like that. When you look at Antifa, 0:11:28.020 --> 0:11:31.370 which you've covered for a long time, Hamas even longer, 0:11:32.170 --> 0:11:34.750 what are the similarities between these groups? 0:11:34.870 --> 0:11:37.569 Or should I say, are there similarities between these two groups? 0:11:39.809 --> 0:11:44.210 Well, there are similarities in terms of operating structure. Hamas 0:11:44.230 --> 0:11:48.390 does very clever propaganda. That's how they got to a 0:11:48.490 --> 0:11:52.080 lot of students to turn out to their protests over 0:11:52.140 --> 0:11:56.740 the last couple of years. They are clever and smart 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:01.439 and they can appeal to the sensibilities of people who 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.710 want to be part of some kind of organization. And 0:12:04.750 --> 0:12:07.510 so Hamas kind of drew it in and drew these 0:12:07.550 --> 0:12:10.710 young people in in the same way that Antifa has 0:12:10.750 --> 0:12:15.050 been doing it for more than a dozen years. And 0:12:15.270 --> 0:12:18.970 it's to be trying to encourage them similar to how 0:12:19.030 --> 0:12:22.630 we approach recruiting people for the Army or the Marine Corps. 0:12:23.130 --> 0:12:26.980 It's getting people to be involved in something bigger than themselves. 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:31.300 And so it gives these college students, and many of 0:12:31.340 --> 0:12:34.880 them are college dropouts, the sense that they belong to 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.540 an organization and they're doing something. And what they really 0:12:38.580 --> 0:12:42.460 don't understand is that they're actually being manipulated by people 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:43.040 at the top. 0:12:44.670 --> 0:12:51.050 Scott, is Antifa growing in strength in America today, or 0:12:51.090 --> 0:12:54.390 have they been set back in some respects once Donald 0:12:54.429 --> 0:12:55.349 Trump took office? 0:12:56.990 --> 0:13:01.820 Well, that's a very interesting question. They've certainly gone underground 0:13:01.900 --> 0:13:06.140 to a certain degree. We have wondered, in fact, last summer, 0:13:06.179 --> 0:13:12.260 we were getting the signals, including having raids on apartments 0:13:12.340 --> 0:13:17.560 in New York City, finding Antifa-connected people with weapons and 0:13:17.620 --> 0:13:20.959 Molotov cocktails in their possession. It kind of looked like 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:25.040 they were going to have a lot of activities last summer, 0:13:25.070 --> 0:13:27.630 but it kind of died down as we got into 0:13:27.690 --> 0:13:30.550 the summer months. And then this year they've been very quiet. 0:13:31.030 --> 0:13:36.230 So it's possible that the new leadership of the FBI 0:13:36.330 --> 0:13:39.110 has kind of scared them off a little bit But 0:13:39.170 --> 0:13:44.370 the curious thing is, right after the Dobbs decision leak, 0:13:44.530 --> 0:13:50.640 there were over 300 attacks on pro-life clinics and organizations 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:54.979 associated with promoting life. And only half a dozen of 0:13:55.040 --> 0:14:00.220 those cases have been solved where there have been arrests made. 0:14:00.340 --> 0:14:03.300 We solved the one up in Buffalo. I went undercover, 0:14:03.340 --> 0:14:04.070 and then we came out. 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:04.810 I was going to say. 0:14:06.380 --> 0:14:08.900 Yeah, I was going to say, you were responsible for 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.780 that Buffalo one, solving it where, you know, the FBI 0:14:11.820 --> 0:14:14.280 was nowhere to be found and you did such great work. 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:15.620 I'll tell you what, Scott Wheeler, I wish I had 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.679 more time for you. You're an American hero between your 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.150 service to this country and the United States military. What 0:14:21.170 --> 0:14:25.230 you've done infiltrating all of these groups, solving crimes. I 0:14:25.270 --> 0:14:28.170 hope you come on more often because we're better off 0:14:28.190 --> 0:14:30.250 from hearing your input in all these things. 0:14:30.370 --> 0:14:32.870 Scott Wheeler, thank you for coming on tonight. A pleasure. 0:14:33.070 --> 0:14:33.490 Thank you. 0:14:34.390 --> 0:14:36.850 Absolutely. You know, he mentioned abortion. 0:14:37.870 --> 0:14:40.650 Democrats, I have said for a long time now, they 0:14:40.670 --> 0:14:44.770 are the party of delusion and death. And one example 0:14:44.810 --> 0:14:48.670 of that is this McKenna West case and. 0:14:48.550 --> 0:14:50.710 The baby she gave birth to, Gabriel. 0:14:51.870 --> 0:14:54.410 McKenna was a surrogate mother. 0:14:55.190 --> 0:14:56.890 Twenty weeks into the pregnancy. 0:14:57.610 --> 0:15:01.370 The couple from Los Angeles, California, calls her and says, 0:15:01.430 --> 0:15:05.090 we want the baby aborted. Because the baby was diagnosed 0:15:05.150 --> 0:15:08.630 with a very serious heart condition that could be treated, 0:15:08.710 --> 0:15:10.850 by the way, at 20 weeks. 0:15:11.830 --> 0:15:13.050 The surrogate mom says no. 0:15:13.630 --> 0:15:17.870 She went from Alaska to Texas, where she knew she 0:15:17.930 --> 0:15:21.870 would get protection from our attorney general here, Ken Paxton. 0:15:21.870 --> 0:15:25.730 20 weeks they wanted this baby aborted. This woman with 0:15:25.810 --> 0:15:29.130 virtually no money said, not on my watch. 0:15:29.750 --> 0:15:31.680 And to me, she's a hero. Listen to her. 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:37.540 My older brother had texted me during the day and 0:15:37.570 --> 0:15:39.610 just said, hey, give me a call when you get off. 0:15:40.310 --> 0:15:43.270 He told me that he had talked to his wife 0:15:43.370 --> 0:15:48.170 and that they would adopt this baby. 0:15:47.990 --> 0:15:48.890 If it meant. 0:15:50.950 --> 0:15:56.600 A way out for me. And he just, he's like, 0:15:56.630 --> 0:15:59.280 what can they take from you? Like you have us, 0:15:59.340 --> 0:16:00.260 you have your family. 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:06.080 We're not talking about heroes in America. That woman knows 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:11.180 the baby inside her was precious. Her brother, selflessly, and 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:15.440 his wife say, we'll adopt a baby. The parents who 0:16:15.460 --> 0:16:18.220 wanted it aborted, why wouldn't they agree to all this? Instead, 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:22.020 they sue her for $ 100, 000. 0:16:20.540 --> 0:16:22.040 She has the baby in Texas. 0:16:22.230 --> 0:16:26.550 The baby in Texas, thanks to Ken Paxton, is getting care, 0:16:26.830 --> 0:16:29.610 but in critical condition. Let's all say a prayer for 0:16:29.650 --> 0:16:32.850 baby Gabriel. Gabriel needs it right now as he fights 0:16:32.910 --> 0:16:38.640 to stay alive. But yet NBC, of all places, decides 0:16:38.700 --> 0:16:44.240 to make the parents, biological parents, out. 0:16:44.140 --> 0:16:47.150 To be victims in all of this. They wanted the 0:16:47.210 --> 0:16:50.310 baby dead, for crying out loud. This was the NBC report, 0:16:50.350 --> 0:16:52.030 cut 17. 0:16:52.030 --> 0:16:55.870 Tonight, the biological parents' attorneys telling NBC News as if 0:16:55.910 --> 0:16:58.540 the heartbreak of his condition were not enough, they are 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:03.760 devastated to see their family tragedy transformed into political theater. Adding, 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.100 our client's only focus at this time is ensuring that 0:17:07.140 --> 0:17:10.369 their baby receives the medical care that he vitally needs 0:17:10.810 --> 0:17:13.649 and that they, as his parents, are able to spend 0:17:13.750 --> 0:17:17.430 every precious moment they can with their beautiful newborn son. 0:17:20.630 --> 0:17:23.210 Precious moments they can. A month earlier, they wanted the 0:17:23.250 --> 0:17:27.540 baby dead. They hope they get the care he needs. 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.620 He could have gotten care. The doctors said it's treatable, 0:17:30.660 --> 0:17:33.359 and they still chose to try to have this baby aborted. 0:17:34.020 --> 0:17:37.140 And NBC makes the parents out to be victims in this? 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.910 The real victim is baby Gabriel. Let's not forget that, 0:17:41.970 --> 0:17:45.070 which brings us now to the Lindsay Clancy case. I 0:17:45.130 --> 0:17:49.820 believe the Lindsay Clancy case is an entire... issue of 0:17:50.340 --> 0:17:55.280 the abortion mentality in America today. This pro-abortion deal that 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.500 has been out there in such a, such a big way. 0:17:59.580 --> 0:18:02.330 This is like the psychiatrist today, by the way, in 0:18:02.390 --> 0:18:05.730 court saying that Lindsay Clancy planned it. She sent her 0:18:05.770 --> 0:18:09.830 husband off to do errands. It couldn't have been postpartum psychosis. 0:18:09.869 --> 0:18:10.910 Here's the psychologist. 0:18:12.490 --> 0:18:16.950 Is that she did have the capacity to appreciate right 0:18:16.970 --> 0:18:17.380 from wrong. 0:18:17.580 --> 0:18:26.120 Also, I thought was significant. Concealment is another thing that 0:18:26.900 --> 0:18:31.500 I think indicated an understanding of right and wrong. 0:18:34.290 --> 0:18:38.970 We live in a country that has a thriving abortion culture. 0:18:39.510 --> 0:18:42.410 Now to the point where Parents are able to kill 0:18:42.450 --> 0:18:43.869 their children after birth. 0:18:43.890 --> 0:18:46.570 We know they want it up to nine months of pregnancy. 0:18:46.590 --> 0:18:48.030 It's insanity. 0:18:48.770 --> 0:18:51.950 And now because we call it out, we're labeled misogynists, 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.340 people like me anyway. I want to bring in that 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:59.800 former Planned Parenthood director and now pro-life advocate who has 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:01.700 made it her mission to expose the horrors of the 0:19:01.780 --> 0:19:02.600 abortion industry. 0:19:02.619 --> 0:19:05.800 Remember, she worked for Planned Parenthood. Dr. Abby Johnson is 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.080 with us. Doc, it's great to have you on the program. 0:19:08.900 --> 0:19:09.420 Thank you. 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:10.060 Thank you for having me. 0:19:11.890 --> 0:19:16.310 Doctor, do you think that the Lindsay Clancy case is 0:19:16.350 --> 0:19:19.109 relatable to the abortion culture we have in America today? 0:19:20.090 --> 0:19:20.230 Oh, 100%. 0:19:20.230 --> 0:19:22.470 I mean, when you just kind of look at a 0:19:22.690 --> 0:19:25.530 bird's eye view here of our culture and you see 0:19:26.109 --> 0:19:28.129 we've been legally, I'm going to just call it what 0:19:28.150 --> 0:19:34.020 it is, it's murder. We've been legally murdering babies with immunity, right? 0:19:34.060 --> 0:19:36.820 Women have been getting immunity for this crime for over 0:19:36.820 --> 0:19:40.890 50 years. We have been look at, you know, this 0:19:40.990 --> 0:19:45.619 McKenna West case, the parents now, right, the biological parents 0:19:46.100 --> 0:19:49.870 wanted the baby dead, their own child. 0:19:50.210 --> 0:19:50.540 Dead. 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:54.700 And now they're suddenly the victim because they wanted their 0:19:54.740 --> 0:19:57.820 child dead and that wasn't carried out in their wishes. 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.580 And then we look at this Lindsay Clancy case and 0:20:02.619 --> 0:20:04.920 the first thing, and this is crazy. I mean, it 0:20:05.420 --> 0:20:11.169 is absolutely nuts. Women online The first thing they think 0:20:11.350 --> 0:20:13.770 in their minds when they hear a case about a 0:20:13.869 --> 0:20:21.300 mother that brutally, violently, torturously strangled her children with premeditation, 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.480 the first thing in women's minds today, and this is 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:27.400 how sick we've become, the first thing in women's minds 0:20:27.420 --> 0:20:32.540 today is, well, did she have postpartum depression? That's insane. 0:20:32.940 --> 0:20:37.119 The first thing that women, particularly women, mothers, should be 0:20:37.180 --> 0:20:43.000 thinking about is, oh my gosh, how terrible for these victims, 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:47.479 for these children that she killed, that she murdered. But 0:20:47.500 --> 0:20:50.340 the very first thing, the thing that I see all 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.900 through my social media thread is women saying, you know what? 0:20:54.640 --> 0:21:01.379 I understand. I understand Lindsay Clancy. We should not be understanding. 0:21:01.810 --> 0:21:05.390 We should never be understanding a mind like Lindsay Clancy. 0:21:06.450 --> 0:21:06.570 No. 0:21:07.109 --> 0:21:11.450 There's absolutely no way you can justify what happened. Even 0:21:11.490 --> 0:21:13.210 if it comes down to the fact that she had 0:21:13.270 --> 0:21:16.109 postpartum psychosis, which is what they're claiming, I think one 0:21:16.150 --> 0:21:19.230 in a thousand, it doesn't excuse the fact that three 0:21:19.270 --> 0:21:21.869 people are killed and she is a danger to society. 0:21:22.910 --> 0:21:26.050 And yet, watch this interaction on GB News because it 0:21:26.090 --> 0:21:28.620 really sums up where the other side is coming from, 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:29.440 as you explained. 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.280 She had a nanny, and she's still complaining that she 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:33.780 needed help. 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.220 She could not have got more help from the system 0:21:36.540 --> 0:21:37.619 that she already had received. 0:21:37.859 --> 0:21:40.980 This is a murderer who strangled her children one by one. 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:43.119 One of the boys ran away, and she chased him 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:43.740 down and killed him. 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:44.340 Laurie Watkins. 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.220 What you just said was absolutely disgusting. 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:48.560 Thank you. 0:21:48.580 --> 0:21:50.159 You should be ashamed of yourself. 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:51.340 Be quiet, please. 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:52.620 I've had it with you. 0:21:52.859 --> 0:21:54.240 Oh, my God. And your sexism and misogyny. 0:21:54.260 --> 0:21:55.240 She's a murderer. I can't. 0:21:55.260 --> 0:21:55.359 Okay. 0:22:01.730 --> 0:22:04.460 That basically sums up what you're talking about, Abby. 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:06.300 Yep, that's it. 0:22:06.500 --> 0:22:09.619 I mean, this is women all throughout social media comments, 0:22:10.220 --> 0:22:13.280 women saying that I don't understand women, that I'm a 0:22:13.340 --> 0:22:16.919 traitor to women because I'm not standing up for Lindsay Clancy. 0:22:16.940 --> 0:22:18.540 I'm not wearing the pink shirt. I'm not part of 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.389 the pink shirt brigade. And, you know, all doing the 0:22:21.450 --> 0:22:24.330 heart hands and all this kind of stuff for Lindsay. Yeah, 0:22:24.470 --> 0:22:27.750 because I don't believe in murdering our children, and I 0:22:27.770 --> 0:22:31.240 don't believe in supporting women who murder their children. I 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:34.679 understand that people have mental health issues. I understand that 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.820 we have postpartum issues. I understand that we need an overhaul. 0:22:38.660 --> 0:22:41.100 Two things can be true at the same time. I 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:44.460 can believe that we need mental health fixes in our country. 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:48.310 I can believe that women need better postpartum support. I 0:22:48.369 --> 0:22:51.590 can also believe that it is unacceptable at any time 0:22:51.850 --> 0:22:54.969 for a woman to murder her children, and that's exactly 0:22:55.010 --> 0:22:56.010 what happened in this case. 0:22:56.609 --> 0:22:58.450 Doc, can I ask you a last question? 0:22:59.010 --> 0:23:01.790