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Speaker 1: Hey Rebels, ma'am. It's your friendly neighborhood moderator John Ley Brody.

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Speaker 1: Here comes part two of our chat with Sam Whitber.

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Speaker 1: Hang on, So what is it that kind of gave

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Speaker 1: you permission to love rebels or even because when you

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Speaker 1: talked about Revenge of the Sith when I first saw it,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I think that was good, but I'm

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Speaker 1: afraid to say it out loud, and like it was

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Speaker 1: because it wasn't cool to like the Prequels at the time.

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Speaker 1: So it's like an impressionable, you know, age of wanting

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Speaker 1: to be accepted. I'm like, well, keep that to myself,

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Speaker 1: but I think this was a good movie. So what

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Speaker 1: was it about Rebels that made you uncross your arms

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Speaker 1: a little bit and let your guard down and give

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Speaker 1: yourself permission to like enjoy it for what it is.

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Speaker 2: Really it was the wisdom of these are things that

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Speaker 2: I think about a lot of It's the wisdom of

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Speaker 2: two friends of mine, David scou and Frank Derbahan, And

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Speaker 2: they had this.

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, so Frank, Dereabaunce just a friend of yours,

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Speaker 1: just you can just casually.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to name it everyone. I always named it

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Speaker 2: drop them. I name drop everyone when I have a chance.

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Speaker 2: But they they I was talking about some show at

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Speaker 2: the time, uh, non Star Wars show, and uh, I

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Speaker 2: was given I'm not going to tell you what show.

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Speaker 2: It's actually a show that I guessed it on. But

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Speaker 2: but I was like, what are they doing? And they

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Speaker 2: really had it? And then they've lost it? Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: And Frank's like, you know, I like it, and I'm like, Frank,

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Speaker 2: how could you like it? And I'm like twenty nine

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Speaker 3: Well, how could you like it?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 2: They did they believe they did this, and they did

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Speaker 2: I guess that's all true. We're but I got to

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Speaker 2: tell you, I've been doing this for a while and

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Speaker 2: this is really hard. It's really hard, man. It's a

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Speaker 2: minor miracle. When a project you're working on is halfway good,

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Speaker 5: It's a minor miracle. If it's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: A lot of things need to go right, and a

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Speaker 5: Don't really appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: So when I watch a show like this, if there's

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Speaker 2: be entertained. I just want to you know. He's like,

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Speaker 2: I'll get more hardcore when I'm working on something, but

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Speaker 2: if I'm watching someone else's work, if there's something I

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Speaker 5: That's my thing.

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Speaker 2: And then David scou started piping in as co writer

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Speaker 2: he's like, you know, it's the window and Frank's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: And they're like, well, when you're anywhere from eleven to

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Speaker 2: hitting me really hard to Mike tell me about that,

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Speaker 2: and he's like, well, your taste isn't fully formed yet.

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Speaker 2: So what you're doing when you watch a movie or

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Speaker 2: so you're experiencing it fully. You are submerged in what

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Speaker 5: Well no it isn't.

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Speaker 2: It's actually way more interesting than that if you can

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Speaker 2: and accept things that are so far outside your own taste,

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Speaker 2: you know. Now, like Frank said and Vanessa could tell you,

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Speaker 2: when it comes to things like Shadow Lord, I'm working

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Speaker 2: you know. But I'm like, no, we gotta hit this.

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Speaker 2: this because that's when my taste actually counts, because I'm

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Speaker 2: be like, show me something I don't know show me

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Speaker 2: it's cool anyway, that's.

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Speaker 3: Very val what you describe.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like there's something called anchor bias,

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Speaker 1: so to use like a rudimentary example, it's like, say

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: What's like what they say, You get older and you

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Speaker 2: looking at that, your brain saying, I know green, I'll

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Speaker 2: show you green, no problem.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, pulls a file of green up

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Speaker 2: Now we think we've seen everything, and you know, in

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Speaker 2: some ways we have, but I guess what I'm saying

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Speaker 2: you have to challenge that perception. You have to you

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I think that's dead on. Like everything you

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Speaker 6: just said, I think is pretty amazing. I think it's

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Speaker 6: also a metaphor for life, like how we view like

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Speaker 6: there's this idea like every day is a new day.

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Speaker 6: There's that actually nothing that has happened before. And if

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Speaker 2: I think struggle to do that. Taylor is like, yeah, sorry,

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Speaker 7: Well, I was just it's like the struggle to fight

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Speaker 7: I've seen thousands of movies at this point, and when

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Speaker 8: From when I was like fourteen to twenty.

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Speaker 7: I don't mean that there they are artists that came

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Speaker 7: And as you were talking, Sam, I was like, wait,

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Speaker 8: But you know, I'm like, I don't care for this.

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Speaker 4: I think that play like play in your Head is

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Speaker 4: Galactic Star Cruiser, which was forty five hours of make belief.

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Speaker 4: From the moment you want walked on to the moment

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Speaker 4: somewhere else. You were make believing, and everything around you

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: You weren't in Florida. You were on a spaceship. And

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Speaker 4: what I found when I got home from that make

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Speaker 5: We just made something.

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Speaker 6: We're gonna make something again. Come make something with us.

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Speaker 5: True, and it's like, well, no, you have to keep

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Speaker 2: When someone is shifting it toward, you know, something that

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Speaker 3: You know, he's very lawyery, is what like what I recall?

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Speaker 5: He's a lawyer? Yea.

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Speaker 2: And Vanessa knows because she she plays a character who's

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Speaker 5: Personal attorney in the show.

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Speaker 2: That wouldn't that wouldn't you say?

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Speaker 5: That's true?

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Speaker 9: Vanessa second in command? I don't know, I shadow the

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Speaker 9: what is that?

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Speaker 3: Hold on?

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Speaker 5: Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 2: So seeing me play Darth Maul to hurt your friends

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Speaker 9: Don't at all. No.

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Speaker 10: I revere your level of connection to something I will

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Speaker 10: And when you have an idea, I listen, And when

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Speaker 10: But then you justify it and anyway, I think no,

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Speaker 9: People just co sign things. Oh that sounds great. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: The stakes are so high, at least in the narrative

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Speaker 2: And yeah, do you guys see how we've turned her

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is not Hara talking, guys.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 7: Well, at first I thought she was talking as Vanessa

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Speaker 8: I see what's going on now. Yeah, this is interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what else can you tell us about the show?

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00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't want to get you in trouble obviously,

440
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 1: but can you tell us himself while we're here?

441
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 5: Yeah?

442
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, well, you know, the best thing with the

443
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 2: stuff is to you know, because when you see the show,

444
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:51,919
Speaker 2: the show explains.

445
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 5: Itself because it's a show.

446
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 2: But what we can tell you is kind of on

447
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 2: the way into the show. What's been happening, right, Well,

448
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: the Empire just took over, you know, like very very recently.

449
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 2: In fact, it really seems to take place right at

450
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 2: the edge of the end of the Bad Batch, right,

451
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 2: which is a year or three after the Empire has

452
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: taken over, and you have this you have this classically

453
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: trained Force user Mal you know, who comes from the

454
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 2: world of the Prequels, which is a world of magic

455
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: and color and nights. But now we're in a world

456
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 2: where the magic is gone and the nights are dead,

457
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 2: and the color is being sucked out of the universe

458
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 2: by this mechanical galactic empire that is you know, that

459
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: is there, but it's not ever present yet, it's not

460
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 2: everywhere yet. They didn't have time to send star destroyers

461
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 2: everywhere and don't even have enough ships just yet. You know,

462
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,719
Speaker 2: they're getting up that the empire is rising at this point.

463
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 2: And so because of this, because mal was a guy

464
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: who was at one point one of the architects of

465
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 2: this coming empire, you know, and he was working for,

466
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: you know, the creation of that, and then, as we

467
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 2: all know, he quit that job. And he's now in

468
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 2: a place of serious reassessment. You know, now that he's

469
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: seeing the empire is like, is this what Palpatoine had

470
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: in money? This is not how I saw it. This

471
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 2: is now I was supposed to be. And he's looking

472
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 2: around and going, wow, now the Jedi Knights are gone,

473
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 2: my hated enemy, the people I was I was trained

474
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: and raised to hate them and destroy them. Well, I

475
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: guess mission accomplished. Why doesn't it feel good? Why didn't

476
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: I feel good about that? And and also now that

477
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: I see the alternative what they're replaced with, I don't

478
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: know if this is an improvement. I don't know if

479
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: this is good. He's kind of creeped out by some

480
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: of the things he sees in the galaxy.

481
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 5: So, you know.

482
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 2: And then also there were a good number of people

483
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 2: that let him down there was a whole plan when

484
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: the war was coming to an end of how they

485
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: were all going to survive and protect themselves the Shadow Collective,

486
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: and that plan completely fell apart. So the first order

487
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: of business, as Rook would tell you, is to make

488
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 2: sure that we visit upon them.

489
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 5: Say, let's just call it justice.

490
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 2: Little justice needs to be doled out here and there,

491
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 2: to make sure people understand that we're still here and

492
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: we're not to be messed with. And then in the

493
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 2: midst of all of that, you know, mal is pretty

494
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: you know, it's a pretty solitary individual. And I think

495
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 2: he feels like he has, as as Taylor knows, perhaps

496
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 2: some wisdom quote unquote wisdom to pass on to the

497
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: next generation. So would he like an apprentice? Yeah, I

498
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 2: think he would. I think he'd like an apprentice. So

499
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 2: that's that's what I can tell you about Shadow or

500
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's interesting.

501
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 8: Interesting are online about it that has to do with.

502
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 5: You know, some that's weird. It's all weird to say.

503
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 5: I don't know.

504
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 3: I mean, does he have an apprentice?

505
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 5: The show?

506
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: The show happens, and then and then we're going to

507
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,719
Speaker 2: find out what the show has to say. But Vanessa,

508
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: What do you have to say?

509
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 7: I have been doing Star Wars for far too long

510
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 7: to get roped into any you know, things that will

511
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 7: get them into trouble.

512
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 4: Can I ask a question that's not going to uh

513
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 4: entrap you into revealing anything that you can't reveal? You

514
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 4: kind of where at the beginning of the resurrection of

515
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 4: Darth Maul, right, like Spider Darth Maul in the junk hit,

516
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 4: was you in Clone Wars?

517
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 2: That was George telling us here's what we want to

518
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: and George working out a lot of the specifics, and

519
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 2: then me and Dave trying to figure out going forward,

520
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: who is Darth Maul.

521
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 5: We had to figure that out.

522
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 4: You you were there at the inception of the rebirth

523
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 4: of Darth Maul.

524
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, we talked for months before we recorded anything,

525
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: Dave was we got deep.

526
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, you were also there for the death of Darth Maul. Yeah,

527
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 4: so you've you've cheap shot blamed that character though you

528
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 4: rebuilt him mechanically and the whole thing because Mall post

529
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 4: episode one is not the same Darth Male. He's not

530
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 4: the same person anymore, because he's not at all. He's

531
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 4: gone through that thing and you played his death, and

532
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 4: now you're playing his.

533
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 5: Middle is fifteen years where we don't know what he

534
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 5: was doing.

535
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, is it? I don't know if very many people

536
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 4: have opportunity to play the birth of a character, the

537
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 4: death of a character, and then play the middle of

538
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 4: the character. It's a very Star Wars thing to switch

539
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 4: up the order. How does knowing his end change the

540
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 4: way that you approach his middle.

541
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: It's challenging. It's challenging because we do know. I mean,

542
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: the great what's good about it is that we know

543
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 2: where it goes. So we go, okay, well we know.

544
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: And I'm not even talking about just in a plot way.

545
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: I'm talking about character wise, because the Mall in Rebels

546
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: was a guy who we meet him, he's at the

547
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 2: end of his rope and probably a little bit you know, crazy,

548
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 2: and but but you know, he's like an old he's

549
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 2: a pretty sad, forlorn, lonely individual. That's not who he

550
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: was in Clone Wars. And so this is an interesting

551
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: opportunity to create a different version of the character, which

552
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: we did for Rebels and Clone Wars. So this is

553
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: a this is a this is its own thing, and

554
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: we've done it in such a way that if you

555
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: don't know Star Wars, if you don't know Maul, you

556
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: can watch the show and you'd you'd be you'd fit

557
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: right in.

558
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter.

559
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 2: Like we introduce the character, we actually give him a

560
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: proper introduction, and and uh, you know, at first we're

561
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: we're getting a lot of other people's opinions and views

562
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 2: of him, and then and then as we go on,

563
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 2: we get deeper and deeper into his head because he

564
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: needs to be a point of view character in this

565
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: as well.

566
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 5: You know, So am I answering the question.

567
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: It's it's really hard, and it's and it's also a

568
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: great advantage to know where we're going. But it's, you know,

569
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: the you know, the way that I look at it

570
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: is this. You know, we have these brilliant showrunners in

571
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: Brad Rao who did The Bad Batch, so I was

572
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: already a big fan coming in, and Matt mcdevitz who's

573
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: been around since time at Memorial on the Clone Wars,

574
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: so I am very supportive. We have a Theenatillo as

575
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: a general you know, she's she's yeah, you guys all

576
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: know Athena and she is like the best producer I've

577
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: ever worked with in terms of seeing. You know, she

578
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: can see things before they happen. You know, she has

579
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: an ability to know when we might need more time

580
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: to experiment or when we need some time to try

581
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: to try things out. So she is everything that we've

582
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: been trying to do. She has foreseen the need for

583
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: support from production. And she also has a great feel

584
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: for the story because she's been around forever for Clone War,

585
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: so she knows when it's feeling right and when it's

586
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: feeling wrong, and she serves Dave's purpose that way. And

587
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: then you have Dave providing this these guide rails, right,

588
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: and my job is to take those guide rails and

589
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: make sure that Maul is smashing up against them. You

590
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: know that he never goes past the guide rails, but

591
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: he's such a In order for Maul to be interesting,

592
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: he's got to be a guy who's constantly trying things

593
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: and trying to figure things out and trying to trying

594
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: to work out what he's supposed to be doing. And

595
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: so yes, I end up I'm just smashing against skyrails

596
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 2: left and right, sometimes violently, And the character tends to

597
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: live well.

598
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 5: In that space.

599
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: He tends to to be most interesting when he's really,

600
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: really trying. I wish I could be more specific, but

601
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: I can't. He's really trying to do some things here.

602
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, it's it's we have a great, great

603
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: team and the character. You know, the what you're going

604
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: to see when it comes out in what like two months.

605
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: I've seen it all and I like it. I'm glad

606
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: that I like it. We've worked, you know, I've been

607
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: on the project for about two years and I've been

608
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: working really closely with these folks, and it is one

609
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: of the harder projects I've ever done because his psychology. Like,

610
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: here's the thing. You're doing a Star Wars show that's

611
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: named after a villain. But as a Star Wars fan,

612
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to watch a show where a guy's

613
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: just going around hurting people. So how do you navigate

614
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: all that? Well, for one thing, what helps is we

615
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: have all these new characters that are so interesting and layered,

616
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: and some of them are very good people, so we

617
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: have some balance to the forest in our show. But

618
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: then the other thing is that Mal has to be interesting.

619
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: He's not a one note guy, you know, He's got

620
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: to be you know. The mall that we discover in

621
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: this show has long since distinguished himself from Palpatine, meaning

622
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: Palpatine's like a ten out of ten for villainy. Right,

623
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: he says, bad as you get that guy is a bad,

624
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: bad guy. Don't go have coffee with him, don't hang

625
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 2: out with him. He's a bad guy. Don't let him

626
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: fix your car. Nothing good can come of it. Mal

627
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: Darth Vader, for example, he's like a nine point nine

628
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: to eight out of ten for villainy unless you happen

629
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: to be Luke Skywalker.

630
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 5: Right.

631
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: Mall at this point is like an eight point five

632
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: extraordinarily danger really really bad, bad bad guy. But he's

633
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: drawn a few lines where he's like, yeah, that's what

634
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: Sidious would do. I wouldn't do that. I'm better than that.

635
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: And that's what's where I think it's interesting. He is

636
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: a very very bad guy, but he's in eight point five,

637
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: and so it's bad guys versus worst guys.

638
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 5: It's very hard show to make. Hopefully, when you see

639
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 5: it you're like, oh, it's a big deal.

640
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: It's just that and you're like, well, yeah, we had

641
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: to figure out what that was, you know. But everyone

642
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: is so good at their job, and Brad is such

643
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: a genius and Dave has been, you know, watching over

644
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: the entire project, and Matt has been making all these

645
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: extraordinary plot movements and scripts and characters. And then again

646
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: Athena has been our shield against any kind of anything

647
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: that would get in our way.

648
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 5: So it's it's an interesting project for sure.

649
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 8: Great, I can't wait, we can't wait. I'm sure I

650
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 8: speak for a lot of the people listening.

651
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: I concur with that. So with that, and this could

652
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: be a question that Sam and then Sa you could

653
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: both answer because they're both very Look, we've talked about

654
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: this before on the podcast how and you talked about

655
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: how Rebel still holds up. But a lot of the

656
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: things in Star Wars are sadly very relevant today, you know,

657
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Speaker 1: whether it's stormtroopers that galect, the umpire JC touched on,

658
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: the tax, taxation of trade routes, and phantom menace, which

659
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: is sadly very relevant. Has that at all informed the

660
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: layering of your character, because the way you describe the premise,

661
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, there's layering with that, with the

662
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: current status Quora, and does that somehow bleed into the

663
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: layering of your character? And I would imagine that would

664
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Speaker 1: also make it very difficult I'm just curious about that

665
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: in terms of your approach.

666
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: What all we can do is stay true to the characters.

667
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: If we're staying true to the characters and staying true

668
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: to Star Wars, the applicability to real life kind of

669
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: takes care of itself because George did a great job

670
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: with that. George did a great job in creating a

671
00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: space fantasy that felt like our lives, right, I mean

672
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: it does. It feels like our lives. It feels like, oh,

673
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: I can relate to what a Soak is going through,

674
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: or what Luke's going through, or you know, and so

675
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: we're trying to It's kind of we're we've always been

676
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: doing that. We we make the show about real feelings,

677
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: real conflicts between people, but we make it in this

678
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: heightened world and and we follow in the footsteps of

679
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: Star Wars, a world that that really is very applicable

680
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: to people's lives.

681
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Speaker 5: So that's that's what we're attempting to do.

682
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: Anyway, I about you, Vanessa, I'm curious your thoughts just

683
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: on the show, which you'd want to share.

684
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 10: And then the question I just get, well, I know

685
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 10: we're not really supposed to talk about Shadow Lord, so

686
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 10: out of respect for that. You know, I won't speak specifically,

687
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 10: but but Rebels is very much applicable to what's going

688
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 10: on in our culture today. And if I look toward

689
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 10: the role that rook Cast plays in the new show,

690
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 10: her allegiance to Maul, even though she's completely unlike haraa

691
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 10: Haarah has that same loyalty and allegiance to protect her family.

692
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 10: The Mandalorians have a code as.

693
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 9: Well, and I feel like people are more united.

694
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 10: You know, they always say to look for even in

695
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 10: the middle of a tragedy, look for the people who

696
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 10: are doing good, because they are still there. Obviously, there's

697
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 10: a darkness that exists within Darth Maul's narrative, but compared

698
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 10: to what and ultimately, it's the unity and the fraternity

699
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 10: that is compelling, and I think that will move people

700
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 10: to bond more closely with their peers for a cause.

701
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 10: And so it is oddly very similar. Different components, but

702
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 10: the affection and the fight for what's right in their

703
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 10: view is it's the same, and I find it very

704
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 10: compelling and yes, applicable.

705
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: You said the affection, which is so interesting because me

706
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: and Vanessa talk about that type of stuff.

707
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 5: It's like it's it's it is not boy. Maybe I

708
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 5: shouldn't say anything because the show is coming out so soon.

709
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 2: You know, because but it's but the character relationships always

710
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: fascinate me in this show because these are these are

711
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: characters in a very challenged circumstance.

712
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 5: And uh, you know, you have the Ghost crew.

713
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: Who is extraordinarily warm to each other, and then you

714
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: have a different kind of crew in this show, and

715
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: how do they you know, what subtle threads have we

716
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: probably without even thinking taken from rebels and and maybe

717
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: are subtly in there in a different way, though certainly

718
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: not in a way that would be recognizable, but exists.

719
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 5: Nonetheless, I don't know. It's a very interesting question.

720
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Speaker 2: I would I almost want to hear from the audience

721
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: before I would even comment on I'm like, oh, what

722
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: are you guys getting from that?

723
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 5: Because you know, we know what we thought we did,

724
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 5: but what did we actually do? You know?

725
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 4: I mean, I think you know, I've not been shy

726
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 4: about my love for and Or, And when you listen

727
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 4: to Gil Roight talk about and Or, and everybody's like,

728
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I just watched the thing on and Or,

729
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 4: and then I just watched the same thing happen on

730
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 4: the news. How did you know? And he's just like,

731
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 4: I just I wrote that four years ago. Friends, like

732
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 4: it's coming out today, but it was written a long

733
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 4: time ago. There are just things that if.

734
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: You send with our show, was these stories we were

735
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: locked in over two years ago.

736
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 5: I believe it was, so you know. But but again

737
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 5: Star Wars is.

738
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: So universal and again so much about the lives that

739
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: we live that I'll be very curious as to what

740
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: the audience, you know, takes away from it.

741
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 4: Well, and Sam you mentioned earlier, it's like in Attack

742
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 4: of the Clones, Dooku literally says, hey, wait, the Republic

743
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 4: are the bad guys. The Separatists are the good guys.

744
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 4: Like the moral ambiguity of the Prequels, I think we're

745
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 4: I and I talk about it a lot when I

746
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: do podcasts, is that you went into the Prequels hoping

747
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 4: like good guys, where white bad guys wear black and

748
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 4: they're morally ambiguous through the whole thing. And I think

749
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 4: there's a when you are a little bit more subtle

750
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 4: with what you're doing, it's very easy for people in

751
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 4: the real world to be like, Oh, I'm that guy

752
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 4: and and he's that guy.

753
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 5: Well, you know, what come down to I think you

754
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 5: you know.

755
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I think when it comes down to that

756
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: is are you are you helping people or are you not?

757
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: Are you trying to help yourself exclusively? Are you taking

758
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 2: advantage of people? Those if you're paying attention, are less

759
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: morally and ambiguous depending on you know, regardless of whether

760
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 2: you're wearing a Stormtrooper or a clone Trooper outfit or whatever,

761
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: your whatever.

762
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 5: Output you're wearing, if you have a red lightsaber or whatever.

763
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 2: If you are, it's the it's the classic selfishness versus selflessness,

764
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: and we are always very mindful of that on the show.

765
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: So it's you know, but like I said, you know,

766
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 2: when one of your point of view characters is Darth Maul,

767
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: there there's definitely care you have to.

768
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 5: Take in telling that story.

769
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: So, you know, because he's as a nasty guy, but

770
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: he's not as nasty as Palpatine. So how interesting? How

771
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: interesting that Mal can draw the distinction. So then it

772
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: begs the question, well, Maul, how do you process people

773
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: who really are looking out for other people? Then how

774
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: do you process that?

775
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 5: Are they better than you? Wow?

776
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 2: I know, well, but you said you're better than Palpatine

777
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: because of this, So what about that?

778
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 5: How does that relate?

779
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 3: You know?

780
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: And as the character is in a place of reassessment,

781
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: it's interesting that he's never been more open to those ideas,

782
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 2: except for the fact that it's Darth Maul.

783
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 5: So how open is he really? We'll see, we'll see what.

784
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 10: You gave us in the Clone Wars. And I just

785
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 10: want to like give you your flowers here for a minute.

786
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 10: But when Savage found you, when Savage found you and

787
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 10: you came clickety clackety, you broke my screen.

788
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 9: You broke the universe open in that moment, what you

789
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 9: and Filoni.

790
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 10: Did right there, at least for Star Wars fans, Like

791
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 10: we thought you were cut in half, buddy, and now

792
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 10: you've got these pantaloony type leggings and this and that

793
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 10: and you know, and but there.

794
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 9: But what I want to give your flowers.

795
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 10: For is that as evil and dark and all that

796
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 10: that you of course where you come from, Datamir, all that,

797
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 10: there's a fragility.

798
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 9: There's an injury and uh, something so relatable that like

799
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 9: what do you do with self righteous anger?

800
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 5: Right?

801
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 9: Where do you put that? People who've been victimized? You know,

802
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 9: Darth Ferry look at him on one glance, Oh what

803
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 9: a what a dark man?

804
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 10: Well whatever, but he's coming from an injury, trauma, abandonment,

805
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 10: and he has turned that into something quite evil.

806
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 9: Your character is even more complex than that.

807
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 10: You were wronged in so many ways and what ends

808
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 10: up happening to your brother. I'm talking about the Clone Wars.

809
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 10: This is like pre anything that that that. But what

810
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 10: I'm saying is that you have given fans a delicious

811
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 10: foundation for them to dive even deeper into that complexity.

812
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 9: And that is all you. So thank you for that.

813
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 9: I mean it.

814
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 10: And you can see how easy it is for me,

815
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 10: having witnessed all of that, to then come and play

816
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 10: your second in command, Like I would take a bullet

817
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 10: for you any day just for that alone.

818
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 9: So it's sort of yeah, it's uh.

819
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 10: I think people will find it very very compelling to

820
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 10: see the middle part.

821
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: No, I love that.

822
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: Okay, So Sam, we do have to wrap up and

823
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: thank you for that, Vanessa and thank everyone, and we

824
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: have to wrap up. I mean, first of all, we

825
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: will love for you to come back. Maybe when we

826
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: get the Twin Suns in season three. That'd be a

827
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: great fee to come back, right, we'll get there when

828
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: we get there, But I want to leave you with

829
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: a bit of a fun question, bringing it back to

830
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: kind of what we were talking about the beginning, which

831
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: is D and D. So if we were hypothetically or

832
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: going to make some sort of hot rebellion D and

833
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: D campaign, how would you classify each one of us?

834
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: Ooh with your DM hat on?

835
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 5: Oh my god? Wait, where would I throw you guys?

836
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: I I mean I I'm biased, right, I would want you.

837
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: I would want some version of of essentially the Ghost Crew.

838
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: I would want you guys to be that because it's

839
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: you know, you guys are so good at that.

840
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 5: That's what I want.

841
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 2: These are so fun and funny and good at that

842
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: that it's like, yeah, that's what I'd want to see

843
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: on my gaming table because that's Star Wars man, you know, fun,

844
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: colorful characters, you know, especially when they're you know, up

845
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: against challenges and continue to be open hearted and well meaning.

846
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: That's Star Wars, you know.

847
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 8: Lovely.

848
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: Okay, So we look forward to the character sheets coming

849
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: out on because I know your brain's working just from

850
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: that just playing the seed and not saying you had

851
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: they're going to say that Taylor's this Tea is this, Vanessa,

852
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: this jac is this? But I feel like I know you,

853
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: I know you. Your brain's going right, Yeah, yeah.

854
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 9: Tia, would you be open to that long form improv?

855
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 8: I would watch you guys, that'd be fun. Can I

856
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 8: may I fatch myself?

857
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 9: Please? Just very quickly?

858
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 7: Sorry? Say And we do a fact check at the

859
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 7: end of each podcast episode. But I don't know if

860
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 7: JC has any thing to pup to fact check, but

861
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 7: I like to fact check myself. I know I mentioned

862
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 7: this like at the beginning of this episode. It's man Cunian.

863
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 7: I'm so sorry for any man cunions. Or as soon

864
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 7: as I said it, like five minutes later, I was like,

865
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 7: oh no, that was wrong. So I apologize. That is

866
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 7: my bad and I should have known better man Cunion

867
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 7: not whatever I said.

868
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 8: Apologies, guys, Yeah, I'm just sorry.

869
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 5: We're all good.

870
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 3: Wait on that.

871
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: Because we talked about Super Bowl briefly, did anyone else

872
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: clock the fact that they had two Star Wars actors

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Speaker 1: and one of them was killing the other Star Wars actor,

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Speaker 1: like or because I didn't see any publications even pick

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Speaker 1: that up. Like I went Twitter before Twitter went crazy,

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Speaker 1: I was on Twitter doing it and I was literally.

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Speaker 3: People like, huh what. I was like, do you guys

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Speaker 3: see what's going on here? Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Oh, I think fans did. I just maybe not like journalists,

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Speaker 7: but fans are.

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Speaker 1: I think it's only one site that brought it up.

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Speaker 1: It was like Comic Bookmovie dot com is the only one.

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Speaker 1: Because I told my friend Mark Cassidy, I'm like, hey,

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Speaker 1: did you see that Darth Maul just killed something on Supergirl?

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Speaker 1: He's like, well, I did know, but she was the

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Speaker 1: only one. It's also important to it. It's also important

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Speaker 1: to point out that Darth Maul or aka me or

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Speaker 1: aka Aiden Waite from being Human killed Buffy the vampires Layer.

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Speaker 1: We got her, ladies and gentlemen, we got her. For

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Speaker 1: all vampires out there, for all vampires out.

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Speaker 5: There, we got her. He rebels on that note.

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Speaker 4: As kind of the most removed, like fan voice of

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Speaker 4: all of this. We've done what John forty some odd

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Speaker 4: episodes of this podcast now, and I think what's so

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Speaker 4: cool is every week you hear us or Ashley comes on.

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Speaker 4: Sam comes on the level of commitment and thought from

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Speaker 4: the actors to the producers to the writers that they

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Speaker 4: put into creating Star Wars cartoons and it's so very

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Speaker 4: clearly not and not to dump on Masters of the Universe,

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Speaker 4: but a toy commercial, right, They used to be cartoons

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Speaker 4: used to be essentially toy commercials, and they just would

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Speaker 4: try to rip something out and maybe an actor somebody

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Speaker 4: would put something in, and if that didn't get in,

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Speaker 4: there was a psa at the end. But like, the

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Speaker 4: level of thought that goes into all of these Star

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Speaker 4: Wars projects, whether you like them or not, is insane.

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Speaker 4: How much love everybody involved has for them. And again

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Speaker 4: going back to what Sam said earlier, even if you

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Speaker 4: don't like it, you have to admire how much everybody

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Speaker 4: cares and how everybody's trying to do something to you

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Speaker 4: make it the best it can be. It's so cool.

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Speaker 4: Like again, we've talked for hours and hours about the

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Speaker 4: depth of these cartoons for kids.

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Speaker 8: Right, not for kids, for everyone.

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Speaker 4: For kids in quotes for kids.

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Speaker 9: Oh, I see right.

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Speaker 4: Because cartoons are for kids in quotes for.

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Speaker 1: Kidst me start on tricks man, that's a whole that's

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Speaker 1: the whole trauma thing right there, and go ahead.

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Speaker 9: Sorry, can I share a really quick anecdote?

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Speaker 7: Sorry, I know we got to jump off, but just

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Speaker 7: because you just mentioned that my parents are visiting me here,

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Speaker 7: and I took them to the store the other day

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Speaker 7: and I needed to stay in the car because I

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Speaker 7: had to send some emails, and so my dad and

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Speaker 7: my mom went in and they were standing at the checkout,

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Speaker 7: like at the register to check out, and the family

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Speaker 7: right in front of them was like a young couple

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Speaker 7: and they're very little, you know, new new baby, and

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Speaker 7: so my mom was like, you know, admiring the baby,

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Speaker 7: and she was chatting with the parents and she said.

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Speaker 8: Oh, how old and the mom said like five and

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Speaker 8: a half months. She said, oh, it's so cute. He's

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Speaker 8: so smart, are you so alert?

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Speaker 9: Whatever?

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Speaker 7: Blah blah, And she said what's his name? And the

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Speaker 7: dad very proudly said Anakin and my mother said, oh,

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Speaker 7: from Star Wars. And the guy he was like shell

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Speaker 7: shocked because you know, my mom is like this older

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Speaker 7: Indian immigrant professor, lady you was like, you are the

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Speaker 7: first person that has understood the reference of his name.

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Speaker 7: And I was like, first of all, who are you

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Speaker 7: guys encountering?

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Speaker 9: I was like, who are you all friends with?

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Speaker 7: But anyway, he was very I guess, impressed and delighted

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Speaker 7: that my mom knew Anakin was really excited, and then

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Speaker 7: my mother said nothing else and my dad was like,

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Speaker 7: gotta tell him.

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Speaker 9: She was like no, and she was.

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Speaker 8: Like, you gotta tell him. She was like, do you guys,

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Speaker 8: do you guys know like Star Wars animation?

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Speaker 7: And they were like sure, and she said, do you

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Speaker 7: know Star Wars rebels? My daughter voices Sabine read And

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Speaker 7: he was.

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Speaker 9: Like no way.

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Speaker 7: So that was a really sweet little interaction that came

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Speaker 7: back to the car and my dad was like, you're

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Speaker 7: never gonna ask your mother what.

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Speaker 8: Has happened anyway.

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Speaker 7: So I don't know if those guys listen to this podcast,

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Speaker 7: but hi and hell to Anakin. And I just remembered

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Speaker 7: it because I just thought, you know, my mom is,

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Speaker 7: on paper, like the least likely person you know one

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Speaker 7: might think to like be a fan of Star Wars animation,

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Speaker 7: But it's just goes to show that, like these Star

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Speaker 7: Wars animated you know cartoons for kids, as you said, Jac,

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Speaker 7: are like they're for everyone, from all walks of life,

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Speaker 7: from all backgrounds, from all places all over the planet.

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Speaker 7: It's you know, throughout the galaxy, and it's just warms

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Speaker 7: my art and every time I hear a new like

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Speaker 7: sort of example of.

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Speaker 3: That love that well set Okay, I'll I love it.

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Speaker 5: That's great.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great note, very positive note to

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Speaker 1: end this chat on that everyone can take with them

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Speaker 1: and it's I think it's important message that reminds me

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Speaker 1: of something Steepen Spielberg said. He said, I'm very immature,

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Speaker 1: but I'm responsible, and his whole thing is don't lose

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Speaker 1: the kid inside you, like, always be that big kid.

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Speaker 3: So if Star Wars is for kids, we're all kids

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Speaker 3: at heart.

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Speaker 1: Maybe our biological age may not reflect what do you

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Speaker 1: think a kid is, but the spirit of that of ourselves.

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Speaker 3: Can still be that. So I love amen. I think

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Speaker 3: that's a great way to put it. So, Sam.

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Speaker 1: Usually, I don't know if you've been listening to the

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Speaker 1: Usually we have an outro and Taylor tells JC to

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Speaker 1: cue the music. But when we have a guest of honor,

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Speaker 1: like yourself, we've bestowed that on our pound, the guest

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Speaker 1: of honor. So will you do us the honor and

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Speaker 1: whatever voice you want and tell JC to cue the

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Speaker 1: music and get us out.

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Speaker 5: Of here, JC, cue the music.

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