Speaker 1: Wind down with Janet and her radio podcast. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we know that obviously what we're talking about today UM
Speaker 1: can be considered a controversial topic and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of misinformation, and our intention is not to spread misinformation. UM.
Speaker 1: We just want to allow our guests that we have
Speaker 1: on today to give their opinions and have a discussion. UM.
Speaker 1: That being said, we do not pretend to be doctors
Speaker 1: or scientists or give medical advice. We just wanted to
Speaker 1: have this conversation. But we encourage y'all to do your research,
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Speaker 1: there are many opinions, and we will continue the conversation
Speaker 1: UM and educate ourselves UM, within our marriage and our
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Speaker 1: we obviously have Robert Kenney Jr. Joining us today on
Speaker 1: the show, and we also have a UM doctor, Dr.
Speaker 1: A Malkin, UM who's going to just be on the
Speaker 1: other side of things because we want there to there's always,
Speaker 1: you know, two sides, and we believe that both voices
Speaker 1: deserve to be heard. Yeah. I think it's just our
Speaker 1: job as citizens and as people right on any kind
Speaker 1: of topic that can be passionate and controversial is to
Speaker 1: just gather information and that's all we're doing on this episode.
Speaker 1: We just want to give different sides of the coin,
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Speaker 1: to not be um mean about it or post negative comments.
Speaker 1: It's just again, UM, there's so many things out there
Speaker 1: right now, lots of misinformation. So we just we got
Speaker 1: the two best that we know to kind of debunk
Speaker 1: certain things, um and express their thoughts and their feelings.
Speaker 1: And don't worry, we'll be back to our regular scheduled
Speaker 1: programming of Mike and Jana fighting next week. So until then, UM,
Speaker 1: let's get on with the show. And just a disclaimer
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Speaker 1: our marriage, because the Lord knows we don't know what
Speaker 1: we're doing, but we're just going on. We don't know
Speaker 1: what we don't know. So take everything you're hear here
Speaker 1: for what it is. You know, I was even talking
Speaker 1: to my mother earlier. Why do you say it like that?
Speaker 1: I hope that. I hope our kids never say my
Speaker 1: mother earlier, my mommy, you my mommy. I do I
Speaker 1: want you to say, I'm talking to mommy earlier, mommy earlier,
Speaker 1: And I was telling her who we are having on today?
Speaker 1: And it's just you know, even for I think any
Speaker 1: generation is like like we're now legit, like you guys
Speaker 1: are actually this is actually your job. Okay, Um, we
Speaker 1: have a Kennedy on today, yes, um, very excited and
Speaker 1: um I also have two of my high school girlfriends
Speaker 1: joining us, Chelsea and Andrea say hello, hello, thanks for
Speaker 1: having us. Of course, so we um we did an
Speaker 1: episode a few weeks ago that involved UM. We talked
Speaker 1: to Dr Oz and just a few questions, and I
Speaker 1: gotta say I had Andrea looked through some of the comments,
Speaker 1: but some of the comments on the podcast were pretty rough. Really. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They said that, you know, our job is like that
Speaker 1: we were kind of like misinforming. And I think the
Speaker 1: issue is we were to talk about a lot of things, right,
Speaker 1: but we also want to have different sides of the story,
Speaker 1: just like you know how we have different therapists come
Speaker 1: on in different opinions, and you know, Dr Oz was
Speaker 1: four vaccinations, and you know, you have the other side
Speaker 1: saying that it's dangerous for us to even talk about
Speaker 1: the other side. And you know, I feel like that's
Speaker 1: where we're doing a disservice too, because I think both
Speaker 1: sides need to be heard. And I was reading some
Speaker 1: of my comments and two of my high school girlfriends
Speaker 1: UM had tagged uh Robert Kennedy Jr. In one of
Speaker 1: my posts and said that we should get him on
Speaker 1: the podcast to talk about the opposite side of vaccinations.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was obviously in an interesting idea, UM,
Speaker 1: because there is such a some information for one side.
Speaker 1: And then the other UM. So that's how Andrea and
Speaker 1: Chelsea are now on this podcast with us UM and
Speaker 1: y'all have a lot of information on on Mr Kennedy.
Speaker 1: Don't you sure this is the same come true to
Speaker 1: be able to speak with him. He's one of the
Speaker 1: most knowledgeable people out there on vaccine safety and legislator,
Speaker 1: and he's worked to fight against huge major companies just
Speaker 1: all in the name of children's rights, which is fantastic.
Speaker 1: I commend you guys for bringing this up. A lot
Speaker 1: of people won't touch this topic, and I do think
Speaker 1: it's so important to tell both sides of the story right,
Speaker 1: to give people a chance, give them the resources, give
Speaker 1: them the information, give them a chance to make the
Speaker 1: decision that's best for their family that they believe. And
Speaker 1: so you know, you're never going to make everyone happy.
Speaker 1: I get that, but I really applied you guys for
Speaker 1: doing that. So why do you guys think subjects as
Speaker 1: this where people their beliefs. It almost seems like it's
Speaker 1: either right or wrong. Right, Like it's almost like Republican
Speaker 1: first Democrat. Why is this topic, in y'all's opinions, such
Speaker 1: a topic that it's like when someone believes the other
Speaker 1: majority of people, it seems like, are like, well, that's
Speaker 1: clearly wrong. Why would you believe that? H In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I think it's because we're going to our doctors, right,
Speaker 1: And it's really our doctors that are telling us this
Speaker 1: is what we need to do. Your kind of mandated
Speaker 1: to do these shots for your kids to go to school.
Speaker 1: And so I think we're just trusting the people that
Speaker 1: are advising our health for our children. And also in
Speaker 1: media comes out and gives you all the ads and
Speaker 1: everything that's pushing that they're safe. So I think it's
Speaker 1: really hard to unlearn something that you've been indoctrinating with
Speaker 1: really your whole life. If you've grown up knowing I
Speaker 1: have to get my vaccines, these are gonna make me healthy,
Speaker 1: this is gonna make me safe. I think it's really hard,
Speaker 1: which is why we commend you so much for actually
Speaker 1: been looking into this, because it's very eye opening once
Speaker 1: you start reading about it, and it's hard. It's really
Speaker 1: hard to wrap your mind around something that you believed
Speaker 1: your whole life is safe to find out that it
Speaker 1: might not be. And and here's here's what I believe.
Speaker 1: I believe that the people that are in the positions
Speaker 1: that Chelsea and I aron where they've really challenged vaccines
Speaker 1: and they've done the research, they feel strongly about it
Speaker 1: because we feel like the other side hasn't done that research,
Speaker 1: because honestly, I don't know many people that can do
Speaker 1: truly do that research, read the studies, find the wholes,
Speaker 1: find the lies, and still pour it vaccinated so strongly
Speaker 1: to your point, might like with the emotion and with
Speaker 1: so much conviction, like I am just it's to me
Speaker 1: it was very compelling, and I mean Chelsea and I
Speaker 1: were pretty logical, pretty rational, well educated people. Like It's
Speaker 1: not like I think it just surprises people. They think
Speaker 1: that people who you know, challenge vaccinations aren't in their circles,
Speaker 1: you know, they think that there's these people they don't know,
Speaker 1: who are these crazy people like that are just you know,
Speaker 1: they're children are getting sick all the time, infecting others,
Speaker 1: And it's like, I think actually some of the friends
Speaker 1: in our circles were shocked to learn that we were
Speaker 1: quote those people, right, we were the people that are
Speaker 1: actually challenging vaccines and haven't necessarily followed the full schedule
Speaker 1: with our children. And I think two people are very
Speaker 1: surprised to find out how healthy unvaccinated children are. And
Speaker 1: I think it's hard for people to say, like, what
Speaker 1: I did everything right? I did everything my doctor said,
Speaker 1: why is my child always sick? But you're the one
Speaker 1: who's supposed to have the sick child because you're not
Speaker 1: doing it. So I think it's just a lot of
Speaker 1: understanding and researching, but people need to change their entire
Speaker 1: way of thinking. And my lunch side, it's like, once
Speaker 1: I started really researching and seeing the hard facts, it's like,
Speaker 1: this is this is just almost a crime against humanity.
Speaker 1: What's going on? The last thing is just it's also
Speaker 1: people are super defensive. It's their children, and nobody want
Speaker 1: to maybe they made a decision for their children that
Speaker 1: is maybe going to post problems for them later in life,
Speaker 1: or that they had if they didn't have like a
Speaker 1: severe bad reaction immediately, like maybe it's gonna So of
Speaker 1: course everybody's defensive about that. We're all trying to make
Speaker 1: the best issuerson for our children. You know, right, what
Speaker 1: inspired both of you too to start going down this
Speaker 1: this direction? Right? What was the one thing that kind
Speaker 1: of sparked it for you to be like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: I don't know about this. Yeah I I can, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can start so. Um. So, when I had my daughter,
Speaker 1: she's three now, we were living in California, and California
Speaker 1: at the time was a state that only allowed medical exemptions,
Speaker 1: meaning you could only be exempt from certain vaccines if
Speaker 1: you had a medical reason and a note from your
Speaker 1: doctor stating that. So whereas other states will allow like
Speaker 1: personal belief exemptions and religious exemptions, so you can claim
Speaker 1: that as a reason for which you're not vaccinating or
Speaker 1: fully vaccinating your child. So at the time, you know,
Speaker 1: even when I was pregnant, I started looking into it
Speaker 1: because I'm a type of person that if there's any
Speaker 1: debate on a topic, I want to know both sides,
Speaker 1: I want to do my research and I want to
Speaker 1: come to my own conclusion. I started looking into it,
Speaker 1: and to be honest, I didn't found I didn't find
Speaker 1: all the research that I ended up finding a couple
Speaker 1: of years later or a year later, but I found
Speaker 1: some and it was enough to to basically direct me
Speaker 1: to a pediatrician or lead me to a pediatrician that
Speaker 1: allowed a staggered schedule or like a delayed schedule. So
Speaker 1: for the first year my daughter's life. We lived in
Speaker 1: California and we were vaccinating on a very delayed schedule.
Speaker 1: Then when we moved back to Michigan, a state that
Speaker 1: allowed all exemptions personal, religious, and medical, when I tried
Speaker 1: to find a pediatrician, the first question they all asked
Speaker 1: me was are you fully vaccinating? And I was like, well, no,
Speaker 1: but you know, and so then it really prompted me
Speaker 1: to dig in further. And what I found then was like,
Speaker 1: just to me, I was like, I was astounded. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would read books and my heart would be racing
Speaker 1: because then I would look at certain things that had
Speaker 1: happened with my daughter, and they weren't major reactions, thankfully,
Speaker 1: but there were little things along the way that I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, was that because of the vaccines we
Speaker 1: gave her. So what I did at that point was,
Speaker 1: I mean, I really I dove in. I found Children's
Speaker 1: Health Defense, I found Robert Kennedy. I watched his videos,
Speaker 1: and I mean I was just shocked, and like, I
Speaker 1: know that Robert will hit on a couple of the
Speaker 1: high points, but the two that really I guess stuck
Speaker 1: with me that I want to call out is the metals,
Speaker 1: like the ingredients and there's a lot of ingredients that
Speaker 1: there are that I have challenges with, but one is aluminum.
Speaker 1: It's a known neurotoxin. And one example that I feel
Speaker 1: like is so poignant because this information comes from the
Speaker 1: CDC website, it comes from the FDA. One of the
Speaker 1: popular versions of the heppy shot that's given to infants
Speaker 1: less than twenty four hours old, has point to milligrams
Speaker 1: of aluminum minute if you look at per If you
Speaker 1: look at the FDA website, it says the safe amount
Speaker 1: that's allowed in drinking water of aluminum is point to
Speaker 1: milligrams per leader. Yet per milli leader of the vaccine,
Speaker 1: there's point five milligrams of aluminum. So, like, how can
Speaker 1: you trust the fact that this information you're getting from
Speaker 1: the FDA directly negates what's happening with the CDC and
Speaker 1: the information that's in the vaccine they want you to
Speaker 1: give your child at twenty four hours old. That blew
Speaker 1: my mind. Then the other one that I'm sure Robert
Speaker 1: Robert will touch on is the fact that in the
Speaker 1: law was passed that basically took all liability away from
Speaker 1: vaccine manufacturers because they went to the government and said
Speaker 1: vaccines are unavoidably unsafe, and there's too much liability for
Speaker 1: us in this business. You need to protect us and
Speaker 1: at that point free from all liability. So imagine you
Speaker 1: have a car seat for your child. If you knew
Speaker 1: that that sheet manufacturer was exempt from liability, would you
Speaker 1: use that car seat for your child? That's that's the
Speaker 1: analogy we use. So it is because it just like
Speaker 1: any product anything, And if you knew that a bunch
Speaker 1: of chill like then that we are using for because
Speaker 1: climbing out of this crib. I just the one disclaimer
Speaker 1: I want to make though, is like this is truly
Speaker 1: this is a very personal choice. And I know that
Speaker 1: people argue it affects others and it may, but we
Speaker 1: all do things that affect each other every day. But
Speaker 1: I just think this is a very personal decision. And
Speaker 1: I think everybody needs to research on their own. As
Speaker 1: you guys said, they need to come down to the
Speaker 1: best choice for their family, and they also need to
Speaker 1: research the risk on the disease and and and determine
Speaker 1: is the risk of the disease going out weigh the
Speaker 1: risk of the vaccine. Like, I think that's such an
Speaker 1: important point because people you can't just go into this
Speaker 1: blindly and be like, yeah, vaccines are unsafe. You have
Speaker 1: to understand what you're up against and you have to
Speaker 1: make your own decision. And I think that's why it's
Speaker 1: not about being we we hate the term anti BAXX,
Speaker 1: and thank you for not using it, because it's really
Speaker 1: just about understanding that it's not one size fits all.
Speaker 1: We want more transparency, we want more safety, and you
Speaker 1: hear Robert advocate for at as well. We want we
Speaker 1: want the exemptions, don't take away the exemptions, and a
Speaker 1: lot of states are at risk for that. So I
Speaker 1: just want to make that disclaimer that it's really just
Speaker 1: about information, about doing your research and making the decision
Speaker 1: that's best for your family, and we're not judging anybody
Speaker 1: for what they do. We just want people to understand
Speaker 1: that there is a lot of abalidity to this side. Chelsea,
Speaker 1: what about you? Where was the spark for you? So
Speaker 1: the spark for me was really, um, you know, when
Speaker 1: I first started, when I was pregnant with my first child,
Speaker 1: I just I had no idea about vaccines and I
Speaker 1: just thought it was something you do, it's safe whatever. Um,
Speaker 1: what really first piqued my interest was my our pediatrician,
Speaker 1: who is very pro vaccine, told us not to do
Speaker 1: the happy shot at birth. And that was really surprising
Speaker 1: because then I started researching, like, well, okay, well what
Speaker 1: about everything else? And he basically had said, yeah, I
Speaker 1: do everything else, you know this and that, but just
Speaker 1: don't do happy at birth. It's not necessary, it's unsafe.
Speaker 1: And and so from there I went home and I
Speaker 1: started reading more books and researching it more. Um, and
Speaker 1: then I saw that on the CDC schedule that there
Speaker 1: were four shots that they wanted to give. I think
Speaker 1: it's what a two months old or eight weeks old,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my gosh, four shots. That
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Um. I don't even like to get shots,
Speaker 1: much less to give my infant four shots all at once.
Speaker 1: That it seemed strange to me and somewhat cruel that
Speaker 1: we'd have to have their infant bodies, whose their immune
Speaker 1: systems aren't completely developed, to fight off four viruses or
Speaker 1: diseases all at once, when in a natural environment that
Speaker 1: would really never happen. So that really started to pique
Speaker 1: my interest. And then really just as a mom, initially
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is just kind of cool. I don't
Speaker 1: want to give my baby four shots all at once.
Speaker 1: So initially it was really just I just wanted to
Speaker 1: do one at a time and then go from there,
Speaker 1: so doing one at a time. My daughter had an
Speaker 1: initial adverse reaction to detail the first shot that she had,
Speaker 1: and that was around eight months old, and then I
Speaker 1: waited almost two years or like a year and a
Speaker 1: half to give her her second shot of DETAP and
Speaker 1: she was around two years old at that time, and
Speaker 1: she had a really bad reaction to it at that time.
Speaker 1: And since that first point of the first reaction around
Speaker 1: her being just under a year, I started doing even
Speaker 1: more research and more research. But again I was still
Speaker 1: on the train of but I'm supposed to do this,
Speaker 1: but my doctor says I should, and you know, he
Speaker 1: even said, like, let's hold off on the detail for
Speaker 1: a while and just do these other ones. So then
Speaker 1: at that point I was kind of picking and choosing
Speaker 1: which one is based on the research I did, like,
Speaker 1: you know, does the disease outweigh the vaccine? And from there, um,
Speaker 1: I think I was just really shocked on all of it,
Speaker 1: and that just kind of piqued my interest in the night.
Speaker 1: For the last three years, I've really been spending the
Speaker 1: majority of my time researching things on vaccine safety and
Speaker 1: really following UM Robert Kennedy Jr. In his pH d
Speaker 1: and everything that they've been doing to advocate for this,
Speaker 1: And I've really just had a passion for it because
Speaker 1: I do see some of the other children suffering from
Speaker 1: adverse reactions that people I don't think initially correlate with
Speaker 1: vaccines UM. You know. So that's kind of where I've
Speaker 1: started coming from. Well, speaking of Robert H. F. Kennedy Jr.
Speaker 1: We have him in the waiting room, so should we
Speaker 1: bring him on? Let's bring him in? Hey everybody, Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: Mr Kennedy, how are you doing, sir? I'm great good.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and intro you, intro you, and
Speaker 1: then we're gonna get going. You look beautiful. Really, it's
Speaker 1: all make up, all right. So we have a legend
Speaker 1: in in in our on our show today and someone
Speaker 1: who doesn't need much of an introduction, but we have
Speaker 1: Mr Robert Kennedy Jr. On the show. Welcome him to wind.
Speaker 1: Mr Kennedy, thank you so much for coming on our show.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. We're we're honored, honored and humbled
Speaker 1: that you're here with us, especially to talk about something
Speaker 1: that's uh, I think on a lot of people's minds
Speaker 1: these days, especially with young ones for sure. And I
Speaker 1: didn't think you were going to DM me back. My
Speaker 1: two girlfriends and I went to high school with UM
Speaker 1: have followed you from the beginning, and UM you know
Speaker 1: they love everything that you do with the Children's Health
Speaker 1: Defense Organization and you know they were the ones that
Speaker 1: said try and get him on your podcast. And so
Speaker 1: that's when I was like, I texted Chelsea, the beautiful
Speaker 1: one in pink, and I said, should I ask him
Speaker 1: a I d MM? Like, what do I do? Should
Speaker 1: I ask him out? You can please? You a perfect
Speaker 1: time because I'm so technologically an app that I never
Speaker 1: looked at my d ms before. It just happened. That
Speaker 1: guy who was staying with man said, you know there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people I mean, I was like, what
Speaker 1: does that mean perfect timing? Well, I'm gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and jump in here with you, Mr Kennedy, because I
Speaker 1: know your time is valuable. And you know, we had
Speaker 1: a doctor oz on our show a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago and we got onto the topic. Janna and I
Speaker 1: have two young little ones. We have a five and
Speaker 1: two year old, and we got on the topic of
Speaker 1: vaccines and he was very pro vaccine and his right
Speaker 1: in his opinion and his expertise is great. And but
Speaker 1: we we like to give our listeners, you know, both
Speaker 1: sides of the coin, because we just want people to
Speaker 1: have all the information that they can and who have
Speaker 1: who better to talk about the other side of it
Speaker 1: than you? And I know Janna and I have gone
Speaker 1: back and forth a lot recently about this, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're of those minds as we want to trust our doctors,
Speaker 1: the people who were ed ucated and given degrees professionally
Speaker 1: for for information that they're giving us. And at what point, like,
Speaker 1: are we supposed to start questioning our doctors And we
Speaker 1: want to believe these people, but you know, it's scary
Speaker 1: to think that we have to start questioning it. I mean,
Speaker 1: let me go back a little. Okay, Doctors are not scientists.
Speaker 1: They're not taught you know, they're not taught science. They're
Speaker 1: brilliant people and they go to medical school and the
Speaker 1: medical schools are largely funded by pharmaceutical companies, and they're
Speaker 1: taught how to recognize as the is and they're um
Speaker 1: and they memorize huge amounts of information. But those aren't
Speaker 1: science schools. People who are scientists have an entirely different
Speaker 1: set of skills, which is how to read a study critically.
Speaker 1: A lot of it is statistical and and um, my
Speaker 1: actual my career has been in legation and and our
Speaker 1: metal itches. I brought hundreds and hundreds of cases. I
Speaker 1: brought the case that was on now the subject of
Speaker 1: the film of the Mark Buffalo filta dark Quarters, which
Speaker 1: whether it was the DuPont case, I brought the you know,
Speaker 1: I was on the trial team in the Santo case.
Speaker 1: But hundreds and hundreds of cases, and in every one
Speaker 1: of those cases cecific. And so you have experts on
Speaker 1: one side that says, you know, roundup is who's a
Speaker 1: who swear to you very convincingly the roundup is safe
Speaker 1: and at it quite warm cause Monta Hodgkins and fauna.
Speaker 1: And then we have our experts that come on and say,
Speaker 1: wait a second. The studies that you were relying on,
Speaker 1: our studies that were done by industry, and here are
Speaker 1: the flaws that they have in them, and they are
Speaker 1: a deliberate deception. They're deliberate fraud. Oh, of a battleground
Speaker 1: of the experts, and those skills to read those studies
Speaker 1: critically are seldom taught medical school. I've talked to many
Speaker 1: many doctors and said to them, why do you think that,
Speaker 1: including doctor Oz, it's my friend, and I've said to him,
Speaker 1: why do you think that the vaccine is safe? And
Speaker 1: can you name me a study this particular vaccine. Why
Speaker 1: do you think that that vaccine is of earning more
Speaker 1: problems than it's causing. Showed me the science, and I'll
Speaker 1: believe you. And you know, all the years that I've
Speaker 1: been doing is I've never had a doctor come back
Speaker 1: and say, oh, well you can look at the you know,
Speaker 1: the first rat and study and or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And what they pediatricians particularly have told me is in
Speaker 1: medical school, we are given at most half a day
Speaker 1: on vaccines, and we're taught here, the vaccine is that
Speaker 1: you give. Here are the disease they prevent. If you
Speaker 1: don't give ease, we're gonna have an influx of diseases.
Speaker 1: And they're not taught to read the manufacturers inserts. They're
Speaker 1: never asked to look at the ingredients of the vaccine
Speaker 1: and and explain how mercury injected into a child is
Speaker 1: going to leave that child's body unharmed. Listen, if somebody
Speaker 1: says to me, here's a study body that shows you're wrong,
Speaker 1: that shows that vaccinated kids are healthier than unvaccinated, I'll
Speaker 1: make this pledge to you today. I will put that
Speaker 1: study on my website. I will close down my organization,
Speaker 1: and I'll go back to doing what a keeper full time.
Speaker 1: I'll never find that study. Damn. I mean, I'm gonna ask.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play Devil's advocate for one second and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask. So you're dealing with the masses here, and
Speaker 1: things can become subjective to an extent. Think about psychological
Speaker 1: issues maybe kids may deal with. Maybe a kid was
Speaker 1: neglected or abandoned as a child. You take two kids
Speaker 1: in the same scenario. One could turn out one way.
Speaker 1: One could turn out a completely different way, regardless of
Speaker 1: how even if they're raised the exact same way with
Speaker 1: some kind of abandonment and neglect, addiction in their family
Speaker 1: or whatever, and they can still turn out completely different. Right,
Speaker 1: So something like this, you take the vaccines, and you
Speaker 1: have two kids, and you and you, you know, inject
Speaker 1: them with these vaccines and the end of the end
Speaker 1: of their life or later in their life, they could
Speaker 1: have completely different results. Right where there's I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: kids out there. I don't This isn't factual, just in
Speaker 1: my opinion of playing the numbers game. I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: kids out there that haven't had any side effects or
Speaker 1: issues due to vaccines, and then there's kids that apparently
Speaker 1: clearly have. So Mr Kennedy, are you trying to convince
Speaker 1: like America to just stay away from vaccines altogether when
Speaker 1: you have these people that have had kids or that
Speaker 1: have had no issues like I guess, how do you
Speaker 1: even steer people like that away? Or are they just
Speaker 1: anomalies and you just you can't help everybody. Oh, here's
Speaker 1: two answers questions. The first hand, there is I am
Speaker 1: not any vaccine. I am all I've said, and I've
Speaker 1: said that from the beginning. I had all my kids vaccinated.
Speaker 1: All I got vacccines every single year, vaccines for twenty years.
Speaker 1: Would I do that if I want to go back, No,
Speaker 1: I would not, because now I know a lot about vaccines.
Speaker 1: But I am no, I'm not ideologically against vacccines. What
Speaker 1: I've said is if they test the vaccine like every
Speaker 1: other medication is supposed to be tested. And I'll call
Speaker 1: up shop. And what that means is you take a
Speaker 1: vaccinated group and a politic EPO group, give them both
Speaker 1: the vaccine. That's what happens, and see who has better
Speaker 1: health outcomes, if the vaccinated children have better health outcomes,
Speaker 1: and I close up shop and go away. But we
Speaker 1: have on our website we've been able to go through,
Speaker 1: you know that all of the archives of all the
Speaker 1: medical literature. There's one place where an I age. It's
Speaker 1: a library for all the peer reviewed studies that have
Speaker 1: ever been done, and it's called pub med, and we
Speaker 1: go on pub med and you know there haven't the
Speaker 1: CDC try just to stop these studies from being done
Speaker 1: vaccinated for its unvaccinated studies, but nevertheless, scientists have managed
Speaker 1: throughout time to do them. And we have about the
Speaker 1: sixth them now on my Instagram. I published them periodically
Speaker 1: in groups in a way that's very easy to read
Speaker 1: that anybody with the second grade education can read them,
Speaker 1: and um, and we know what the studies say. In
Speaker 1: every case, we've been able to find the kids who
Speaker 1: are vaccinated have higher degrees of allergies, they have more
Speaker 1: allergic right nitis, they have I'm more visits to the hospital,
Speaker 1: they have much larger higher special education. They have more diabetes,
Speaker 1: they are more arthritis there, they have shorter lifespans. And
Speaker 1: so what I'm saying is, let's test these and listen,
Speaker 1: they're completely the company has no incentive to make these
Speaker 1: vaccines safe. Think of the companies that you're dealing with here.
Speaker 1: It's four companies, Merk, synophi Isser, and uh Glaxo Smith Clients. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those four companies, and these are the companies that brought
Speaker 1: us the opioidmic What if you told them you can
Speaker 1: sell all the oidiodes that you ever want and nobody
Speaker 1: can ever be allowed to sue you. That's the position
Speaker 1: they're in. These four companies in the last ten years
Speaker 1: have paid thirty five billion dollars in criminal penalties and
Speaker 1: damages for falsifying signs, for line to regulators, for defrauding doctors,
Speaker 1: providing blackmailing, committing all kinds of criminal acts. What makes
Speaker 1: it takes a kind of cognitive dissonance to believe that
Speaker 1: those companies at what that that aren't doing that stuff,
Speaker 1: even when they can get caught and get sued. Did
Speaker 1: you read the political article that came out? Because I
Speaker 1: was curious and what you thought about that because they
Speaker 1: were saying that what article it? It said? It said, UM,
Speaker 1: Robert F. K Jr. Is our brother and uncle. He's
Speaker 1: tragically wrong about vaccines. And basically in the article it
Speaker 1: had said UM immunizations prevent some two million to three
Speaker 1: million deaths a year and have the potential to save
Speaker 1: another one point five million lives. And then it was
Speaker 1: talking about how the measles are coming back because the
Speaker 1: kids that aren't vaccinated are now you know, uh with
Speaker 1: a measle operate. There's like a hundred thousand plus deaths.
Speaker 1: So where I guess that's where I get confused with
Speaker 1: UM seeing some things and hearing other facts. It's like,
Speaker 1: because the other kids, you know, there's now now a
Speaker 1: measles outbreak, I'm like, what is that because the kids
Speaker 1: weren't being vaccinated? Or how did that even come? Okay,
Speaker 1: because you ask a lot of questions there. First of all,
Speaker 1: is it UM isn't more than that three members of
Speaker 1: my family got a hundred and five you know, UM
Speaker 1: and brother, eleven brothers and sisters. Is it important that
Speaker 1: three of them uh attacked me and uh Politico And
Speaker 1: when I would say to you, I you know, personally,
Speaker 1: I know a lot more about vaccines. I've spent fifteen
Speaker 1: years litigating them. And my family has a very strong
Speaker 1: UM relationships with the public health community. You know, I
Speaker 1: grew up knowing Dr Fauci and Francis Collins the biggest
Speaker 1: UM institutional and I age as the Kennedy Greegor Institute,
Speaker 1: the Unit Shrib Institute is over there. To my family
Speaker 1: has been intertwined with them, and my activism has been
Speaker 1: an embarrassment to my family to member certain members of
Speaker 1: my family who are particularly immersed in that you know area.
Speaker 1: So and my family argues about everything we were. You know,
Speaker 1: we were raised to will argue with each other. I
Speaker 1: love each other, so they just doesn't up on me
Speaker 1: at all. What bothered me a little bit about it
Speaker 1: is that I I did. I published, I wrote and
Speaker 1: submitted to Political a point by point refutation to every
Speaker 1: singal on point in that article, and Political refused to publish.
Speaker 1: And I think the censorshipation is something that should bother
Speaker 1: every American. People who want to read my reputation UM
Speaker 1: can go on Children's Health Defense website and read it.
Speaker 1: It's Children's Health Defense dot org. UM if you want
Speaker 1: to get more information. UM. The website has a lot
Speaker 1: of resources UM, seeking justice, exposing causes, protecting the future UM,
Speaker 1: and you know, talks all about it where you can
Speaker 1: research and also donate to the cause as well. Well.
Speaker 1: If I already wasn't stressed as a parent, I think
Speaker 1: we have a lot more information to be suggested to. No.
Speaker 1: I love it, and I'm gonna in the whole that
Speaker 1: whole field. You know, this is a relationship show. We
Speaker 1: talk a lot about marriage and kids and all that.
Speaker 1: Hence why we wanted to talk about vaccinations. UM. But
Speaker 1: you're in your third marriage to Cheryl Hines. So I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of big fan of curb your enthusiasm
Speaker 1: and all of that. And so from a relationship standpoint,
Speaker 1: what has made this marriage work for you personally over
Speaker 1: ones in the past. Uh. Well, you know, my my,
Speaker 1: uh my last wife tragically died, um, and Cheryl came
Speaker 1: into my life around that time. I had six kids, um,
Speaker 1: which she which Cheryl inherited and listening, I cannot take
Speaker 1: any credit for it. I can my I'm literally married
Speaker 1: to an angel and she's ah, that is so sweet her.
Speaker 1: She's wise, she's thoughtful. Um, she is always Uh, there's
Speaker 1: never I've never in my life in our relationship felt
Speaker 1: like there was a quick broke while like you did
Speaker 1: this for me and I'll do this for you. It's
Speaker 1: all everything um is uh comes from a place of love,
Speaker 1: you know. And I was just wanting to make the
Speaker 1: other person feel comfortable and happy. And I feel like
Speaker 1: if God gave me what I deserved, that I would
Speaker 1: have been struck by lightning. But he isn't. He's Angela.
Speaker 1: You know. The other thing, she's super smart. Cheryl came
Speaker 1: and you know what she she's a comedian. So being
Speaker 1: married wking what it is a better thing than being
Speaker 1: married a comedian. She's making me, she makes me laugh
Speaker 1: all the time, and I'm constantly astonished by her. First
Speaker 1: of all, she is like a mom to my kids
Speaker 1: in every way, you know, and they confide in her
Speaker 1: and they love her. And it was a difficult transition,
Speaker 1: you know, to go from um what they had to
Speaker 1: go through to you know, to sort of accepting a
Speaker 1: person in their life who they trus to know who
Speaker 1: they love and um, and she acts in every way,
Speaker 1: like really caring, good mother. But she has wisdom, you know, wisdom.
Speaker 1: The word wisdom means the knowledge of God's will. It's
Speaker 1: a it's an intuitive, um understanding of what's right and
Speaker 1: what's wrong. And she has that gift in almost every situation.
Speaker 1: She kind of knows immediately, um, what the right thing
Speaker 1: to do, what the right thing to say is. I'm
Speaker 1: always astonished when I see her on TV and um,
Speaker 1: somebody asked her sort of an awkward question and about
Speaker 1: how definitely she handles it so that nobody gets embarrassed
Speaker 1: and so that it's everybody seems smart, wies and and funny,
Speaker 1: and so I just feel like I've got a uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like I've gotten this extraordinary gift.
Speaker 1: And for me at this point in my life, I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I get a lot of joy from anticipating
Speaker 1: what she what it is gonna make her happy and
Speaker 1: um and uh, and then trying to do it without
Speaker 1: being asked to do it. She she likes to have
Speaker 1: the bed made in the morning, and she likes you know,
Speaker 1: she was joking with her friend or one of her
Speaker 1: best friends is Susan Yeagley, who is married to Kevin
Speaker 1: Neil and and they were talking the other day and saying,
Speaker 1: what's the sexiest thing that a man can do? And
Speaker 1: Susie Haagley said, the dishes. That's actually a good one.
Speaker 1: I prefer. I know, I prefer that when he cooks,
Speaker 1: I like to do the dishes. But I do not
Speaker 1: know how to cook. I'm not a chef. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not my thing. Well, Mr Kennedy, thank you so
Speaker 1: so so much for your time today. We've had an
Speaker 1: unbelievable time talking with you about everything. We talked to
Speaker 1: you all day and listen to you talk all day,
Speaker 1: but I know myself, my wife, Gina, Chelsea, and Andrea,
Speaker 1: we all appreciate your time and we've learned a lot,
Speaker 1: and I know our listeners will too. And thanks for
Speaker 1: being my damn friend. I'm gonna keep damning you so
Speaker 1: and make sure to visit Children's Health Defense dot org
Speaker 1: to learn more about the things that we talked about
Speaker 1: today and follow me on Instagram. Although they have shut
Speaker 1: down my Instagram, so I don't know if you can't
Speaker 1: even access it anymore, but they have me throttled, so
Speaker 1: I was on it I think earlier today, so I
Speaker 1: know what I heard they were opening a little. Usually
Speaker 1: what they did is they shut it down so you
Speaker 1: couldn't find it unless you wrote Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Oh, yeah, enproning.
Speaker 1: That's been happening to a lot of people. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you guys so much. I really appreciate. I'll talk to
Speaker 1: you all soon. Thank you so much. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: hi Mr Kennedy, if I was gonna say that, Okay. So,
Speaker 1: as we said at the beginning of this episode, we
Speaker 1: just wanted to gather some professionals who know way more
Speaker 1: than us about the topics the sense of topics that
Speaker 1: we talk about UM on today's episode and just in general.
Speaker 1: And so we had were joined by Dr Abe Malkin,
Speaker 1: who is an MP D n b A in southern California.
Speaker 1: He's been to every kind of medical school you can
Speaker 1: think of. UM. He schools that we can't even pronounce.
Speaker 1: They're so good. Yeah, stud Yeah, exactly. So he's way
Speaker 1: more certified than any of us. And we went to
Speaker 1: welcome dr Ape to the show. Dr thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us. Yeah, nice to do with you guys.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Oh absolutely, you know, we we
Speaker 1: wanted you to come on today because we talked to
Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy Jr. U earlier in the show, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's amazing how there's these certain topics right in in
Speaker 1: life and in society that we talk about. And what
Speaker 1: we were talking about with him was a lot about
Speaker 1: vaccinations and it gets so personal. It's just like politics
Speaker 1: in general. Right, It's just one of those topics that
Speaker 1: it's hard for people to see the other side of
Speaker 1: the coin because it just feels so personal, and they
Speaker 1: make it so personal because it is, especially when it
Speaker 1: comes to your children, like vaccinations and so on. And
Speaker 1: so just to pick up where we left off with
Speaker 1: with RFK Jr. Is the whole vaccination thing from your expertise,
Speaker 1: you know, your doctor and family medicine, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: you talked to parents and children. For you, when you're
Speaker 1: talking to these parents and reassuring them and maybe what
Speaker 1: they want to do, how do you approach such a
Speaker 1: topic as this. Yeah, I you have to be considered
Speaker 1: of the fact that parents are, you know, concerned about
Speaker 1: what they hear out in the media, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: these are their precious children. So although we as doctors
Speaker 1: can sometimes tend to be a little bit more medical
Speaker 1: and scientific given our training, you know, there's definitely a
Speaker 1: human element to this and uh that needs to be addressed. So,
Speaker 1: you know, whenever I talk to parents about vaccination, but
Speaker 1: I do recognize that there are different opinions, although you know,
Speaker 1: certainly in the minority, but that has to be reconciled.
Speaker 1: When you're talking about a young child, the baby, you know,
Speaker 1: getting vaccines, vaccination shots. It can be jarring to a parent,
Speaker 1: especially when they hear things that make it seem like
Speaker 1: that could be harmful to them. Um. But what I
Speaker 1: try to do is really stick to some of the
Speaker 1: facts that that you know, uh indicate the vast majority
Speaker 1: of people support vaccines, but also address the human element,
Speaker 1: and you know, talk to a parent like as just
Speaker 1: another caring individual where my goal is not just simply
Speaker 1: to follow a protocol, but actually to do what's best
Speaker 1: and the best interests of their child, um, which ultimately
Speaker 1: give them the most healthy and fruitful life. So I
Speaker 1: think coming out from that angle, the more impassioned empathetic
Speaker 1: stance definitely helps a lot in having those discussions with parents.
Speaker 1: Is it I make up in my own mind that
Speaker 1: it could be frustrating because if I was an expert
Speaker 1: at one thing, and if I heard just people coming
Speaker 1: into my office on a regular base basis saying I
Speaker 1: read that, I heard you know this, someone said this.
Speaker 1: And when you're hit with that, is it? I mean,
Speaker 1: you're a human too. Is it frustrating at times? And
Speaker 1: when you're trying to to do the best for your patients?
Speaker 1: How do you handle that? Like as a clinical professional
Speaker 1: who went to school to know more information than the
Speaker 1: general public, right, and when you have people saying, well,
Speaker 1: I read on this, I've heard this, and how do
Speaker 1: you kind of handle that aspect? Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: think medicine as a whole is constantly evolving. So it's
Speaker 1: not as though we live in this dogmatic world where
Speaker 1: you know one thing is true and it's true forever
Speaker 1: and and you know we we're not. We're very inflexible. Uh.
Speaker 1: That being said, in medicine, we do change at a
Speaker 1: very glacial pace, in the sense that in order for
Speaker 1: something to be adopted as practice current practice of care,
Speaker 1: it needs to have randomized controlled trials, large scale studies
Speaker 1: vetted by professionals in order to change our practice behavior. So,
Speaker 1: you know, we do here all the time. I saw
Speaker 1: this on WebMD or heard this on Dr Google or
Speaker 1: my friend told me this. But that doesn't change our
Speaker 1: practice behavior. What does change our practice behavior is randomized
Speaker 1: controlled trials that are vetted and published by the medical
Speaker 1: the medical community. So, um, that's what we go by
Speaker 1: as physicians, you know, because it does allow us to
Speaker 1: fall back on knowing that those have been really vetted studies.
Speaker 1: You know, hearsay anecdotal evidence, you know, maybe impetus for change,
Speaker 1: but it's certainly not something that's gonna lead to a
Speaker 1: full scale change in our behavior. What I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've heard, if you heard some of the Robert
Speaker 1: Kennedy junior interview, But when he says that there like
Speaker 1: he wants the scientific proof behind it, and that like
Speaker 1: he would love that evidence, and then he would basically
Speaker 1: stop talking about that. Why, I mean, is there a
Speaker 1: scientific evidence or is there not? So there there's many,
Speaker 1: many studies that show the efficacy of vaccines. Each vaccine
Speaker 1: itself has a myriad of literature supporting it, whether it
Speaker 1: be flu vaccines, MMR, measles, yellow fever, smallpox, these have
Speaker 1: all been studied in numerous studies that have shown the
Speaker 1: efficacy and the drastic, drastic reduction in cases um, you know,
Speaker 1: using the vaccine. And conversely, there have been studies that
Speaker 1: have shown that UH risks and the negative effects that
Speaker 1: anti vaccination individuals claim are just not substantiated. You know.
Speaker 1: The biggest one, of course, was study that Dr Wakefield,
Speaker 1: who kind of pioneering in the anti vaccination movement UH
Speaker 1: provided to show that you know, MMR vaccine caused autism,
Speaker 1: and very shortly thereafter that was debunked by a number
Speaker 1: of people in the medical community, where in fact, when
Speaker 1: it's far to say that his results were falsified. So
Speaker 1: I don't really understand that position that there isn't scientific evidence.
Speaker 1: There's a vast abundance of evidence, um And I think
Speaker 1: there may be small scales studies done by questionable individuals
Speaker 1: that may show differing opinions, but that's certainly not the majority.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's plenty of evidence on the contrary.
Speaker 1: You know. I was when we were talking to him,
Speaker 1: I kind of played Devil's advocate and I asked him,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, is what he was ultimately
Speaker 1: saying is he doesn't believe it's a one size fits
Speaker 1: all kind of mentality, which I get but at the
Speaker 1: same time, you're trying to provide something to the masses, right,
Speaker 1: and each vaccination can't be a customizable thing per individual.
Speaker 1: That's just I don't know how that's medically or financially possible,
Speaker 1: right to test it or do all those things. So
Speaker 1: I asked him. I was like, isn't there just gonna
Speaker 1: be no matter what you do, there's gonna be some fallout,
Speaker 1: There's gonna be some side effects, Like it's a numbers game,
Speaker 1: So not everyone is going to react the same way
Speaker 1: to every medication, right. That that's why there's multiple different
Speaker 1: metal medications to treat the same symptom or the same issue,
Speaker 1: because people react differently. And I make up that for vaccinations.
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same. People are going to react differently.
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate, it sucks, but that's also life, right Like
Speaker 1: car accidents. Sometimes it's just an accident. It's no one's fault.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't mean to compare. I would
Speaker 1: just say that I'm one thing though, if you know,
Speaker 1: because I've saw something on Instagram and a baby died
Speaker 1: young because of vaccination, if that was your baby in
Speaker 1: that died, you might take a different stance on it
Speaker 1: just be like, oh, sure, you know, that's where I
Speaker 1: would be like, no, that's why it's hard, No for sure.
Speaker 1: And how do they know that they baby died from
Speaker 1: vaccination helplication? They like right after they got it, baby
Speaker 1: went like bad red plotches everywhere. And then it is
Speaker 1: that something that does happen every once in a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you bring up a really great point, Michael Um
Speaker 1: that this is not one size fits all. As with anything,
Speaker 1: there's going to be outliers. So for example, you know,
Speaker 1: babies that are you know, compromised will not do well
Speaker 1: with a vaccine because you're introducing a potentially harmful element
Speaker 1: into their body. But that's again that's a you know,
Speaker 1: infantestily small number of children, um children who have severe
Speaker 1: allergic reaction. To your point that certainly those will be
Speaker 1: at risk. So and again what you have to you know,
Speaker 1: and again if it is your child, to your baby,
Speaker 1: you certainly wouldn't look at this objectively. You have a
Speaker 1: much more subjective emotional response to it. But as a
Speaker 1: as a society, as a health public health issue, we
Speaker 1: do have to think about what is best for the
Speaker 1: greatest good. And I think at this point. You know,
Speaker 1: mass vaccinations are certainly out benefit that way as the risk.
Speaker 1: And then you know, in the future we are going
Speaker 1: to work towards personalized medicine. We are seeing genetic testing
Speaker 1: done in and more an adult setting, to to personalize antibiotics,
Speaker 1: to personalize psychiatric medications. You know, I could see ten
Speaker 1: twenty years down the line where when a baby is born,
Speaker 1: we have their full genetic map and we know how
Speaker 1: to tailor vaccines and medications to fit that fit them personally.
Speaker 1: So I think things will continue to improve, but in
Speaker 1: the meantime, this is definitely the best we have out there.
Speaker 1: What about when they say that the vaccinations aren't being tested,
Speaker 1: is that is that false or it's it's certainly false.
Speaker 1: You know. The reason that it takes so long for
Speaker 1: a COVID vaccine is because there's four stages of testing
Speaker 1: the vaccines have to go through. First, it has to
Speaker 1: you know, first they have to test it to make
Speaker 1: sure it makes sense scientifically. Then they have to make
Speaker 1: sure that it's effective, Then they have to make sure
Speaker 1: it's safe. Then they have to test it in humans.
Speaker 1: So every vaccine has to go through that in order
Speaker 1: to obtain it. The approval and how come there's so
Speaker 1: much more, Like I mean, as a baby, I didn't
Speaker 1: get these many vaccines um and then there's so much
Speaker 1: more in the vaccines now too. You know some of
Speaker 1: the things that I read, I'm like, that's in there? Um?
Speaker 1: You know? Is that? Is that just the progress of
Speaker 1: how you know, the vaccinations are being made um to
Speaker 1: to help these other diseases or like what what? Why?
Speaker 1: I just I don't know why am I going to
Speaker 1: lack something because I didn't get the same vaccinations that
Speaker 1: my kids did? Or so we definitely do modify vaccines
Speaker 1: to target, you know, different public health issues. So measles
Speaker 1: vaccines obviously became much more popular and we've basically eradicated
Speaker 1: measles as a result. In fact, some of the ingredients
Speaker 1: have actually been taken out. So mercury is obviously a
Speaker 1: hot topic when it comes to vaccines. Let's just address
Speaker 1: the mercury. There's actually very few vaccines now that do
Speaker 1: contain mercury. And the reason they use mercury, and it's
Speaker 1: called thermosol, is because it's actually an antimicrobial agent that
Speaker 1: helps prevent fungus and bacteria from growing inside of a vaccine. Bottle.
Speaker 1: And the reason we that's important is because in order
Speaker 1: to produce enough vaccines to vaccinate the entire population of children,
Speaker 1: we need to use multidose files. It's very expensive to
Speaker 1: use single dose files for every single child. So if
Speaker 1: you're using a multidose file and it's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: going to be on the shelf for a week or
Speaker 1: two weeks while you're using it from different children in
Speaker 1: order to prevent it from developing infection within the bile,
Speaker 1: mercury is helpful, so uh it. But in the last
Speaker 1: ten years, the FDA has really come down and removed
Speaker 1: mercury from almost all vaccines that we use. The only
Speaker 1: two that it really is still used for is the
Speaker 1: D TAP and T TAP vaccines because it's just there's
Speaker 1: four different vaccines than one, and it's a multitose file,
Speaker 1: and it's often you know, it needs to be sterile.
Speaker 1: So to your point, that was along with the answer
Speaker 1: to say, we actually have done a good job of
Speaker 1: removing certain things for vaccines which may potentially be harmful.
Speaker 1: Is it, you know, like we're talking about obviously someone
Speaker 1: who is experienced the negative outcome of a vaccine with
Speaker 1: their children, as obviously more subjected to, you know, the
Speaker 1: emotional response around this topic. Have you known any doctors
Speaker 1: or clinical professionals that have had children that have suffered
Speaker 1: from that unfortunate, you know, circumstance and either change their
Speaker 1: position or still been like, well, they understand the possibility
Speaker 1: of some negative outcome. Yeah, I mean, I personally have
Speaker 1: not known anyone that had that outcome. But I think
Speaker 1: to your point earlier, I think we all do come
Speaker 1: at this from an empathetic standpoint, and we can understand
Speaker 1: the reason why someone who, especially if they had a
Speaker 1: bad outcome or their friend at a bad outcome, would
Speaker 1: want to take that stance. But we treat on a
Speaker 1: public health basis. We we at this point, we it's
Speaker 1: it's not feasible to treat every single individual child differently
Speaker 1: because we just wouldn't be able to to vaccinate effectively
Speaker 1: at that point. And you know, herd immunity is a
Speaker 1: real thing, So if a certain number of children in
Speaker 1: the community are being vaccinated, it prevents all children. So
Speaker 1: it's really important. You know, even if a couple of
Speaker 1: children decide to to remove themselves or their parents decide
Speaker 1: to remove them, because the vast majority of the children
Speaker 1: are being vaccinated, those children actually do afford the benefit
Speaker 1: of vaccination. So I understand if people individual and an
Speaker 1: individual basis need to remove themselves for certain reasons, but
Speaker 1: we really do need to maintain her immunity because that's
Speaker 1: incredibly important, even for those children that don't get back.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask him, this is my my
Speaker 1: last question around the vaccination that I want to change gears,
Speaker 1: But do you think it's uh appropriate that whether it's
Speaker 1: government or states or whatever can determine, you know, can
Speaker 1: make vaccinations mandatory. Do you think that in your personal
Speaker 1: belief do you think that's appropriate or like you said,
Speaker 1: if it's a herd immunity, still I make up that
Speaker 1: the higher population is still gonna, you know, use vaccinations
Speaker 1: and everything that if you do have those outliers that
Speaker 1: for religious beliefs, personal belifs, whatever it may be, and
Speaker 1: they choose not to, it's like, okay, you choose not to,
Speaker 1: but at least we still have the majority that are
Speaker 1: being vaccinated. So that's a that's a mine field of
Speaker 1: a question. Um, you know, I will say that from
Speaker 1: a personal perspective, given that I think the benefits of
Speaker 1: vaccine are extremely valuable. I think that for certain people
Speaker 1: involved in a group setting, whether it be schools or
Speaker 1: other public functions, you know, vaccines can be required. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that, you know, on a just freedom level,
Speaker 1: people should have to vaccinate their children if they choose
Speaker 1: to homeschool or if they choose to remove them in
Speaker 1: other ways from a public setting. But obviously that's very difficult.
Speaker 1: So in reality, it would probably be a scenario which
Speaker 1: someone would have together because vaccinated understandable. Okay, I want
Speaker 1: to shift gears real quick, because it says you're also
Speaker 1: a Board certified Addiction Medicine a member of the American
Speaker 1: Society of Addiction Medicine UM, being one who suffers from
Speaker 1: an addiction, not you know, a substance addiction. But I'm
Speaker 1: just curious around that. I haven't heard much about addiction
Speaker 1: medicine UM. Can you just kind of film myself in
Speaker 1: our listeners in and kind of what that is? Sure? So, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, over the last ten twenty years, we've really
Speaker 1: started to see addiction more of a disease as as
Speaker 1: opposed to a behavior choice. You know, addiction used to be,
Speaker 1: you know, something that we or to criticize. People are
Speaker 1: ridiculed them because of their choices, but now we're realizing
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a it's a disease, just like diabetes,
Speaker 1: you know, cancer, other things where once a person develops
Speaker 1: that addiction, whether it be through genetic reasons or you know,
Speaker 1: behavioral issues as a child, they really don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of choice in the matter and need medical help.
Speaker 1: So I work with a lot of patients with multi
Speaker 1: substance issues, whether it be alcohol, opiates, Benzo's, gambling, other
Speaker 1: types of addictions, and really try to help them either
Speaker 1: in a pharmaceutical way or in a behavioral therapy way
Speaker 1: to battle those addictions. And it's very gratifying for me
Speaker 1: because I'm seeing people that in other areas of their
Speaker 1: life are excelling, but have unfortunately addiction problems that are
Speaker 1: really limiting them reaching the full potential. So um I
Speaker 1: do my practice specifically, I work with patients sort of
Speaker 1: on a very individual in home concierge model, whereas there's
Speaker 1: many many other options for patients who need to go
Speaker 1: into a residential treatment setting or an OPICII program or
Speaker 1: a manages a little bit more individualized. Have you found
Speaker 1: with the more substance abuse driven addictions with you know,
Speaker 1: narcotics or alcohol, that there is some kind of pharmaceutical
Speaker 1: remedy for that. Yeah, So I would say about fifty
Speaker 1: percent of addiction is genetic and it's very hard to that.
Speaker 1: The other fifty percent is due to dopamine pleasure reward
Speaker 1: pathways in the brain. So when you see something it
Speaker 1: triggers a certain emotion or feeling that it causes a
Speaker 1: certain behavior. So I would say that aspect of addiction
Speaker 1: can be treated pharmaceutically, the genetic component to it is
Speaker 1: very hard to So you know, there are there are
Speaker 1: medications out there that block the receptor that that substance triggers.
Speaker 1: So for example, take a drink of alcohol, it's stimulate
Speaker 1: or us. An opiate stimulates opioid receptor in your brain
Speaker 1: that releases dopamine that makes you feel good. If you
Speaker 1: can block that receptor so that when you take the
Speaker 1: drink of alcohol, you use that Okay, you don't feel
Speaker 1: that euphoria. That now breaks the that positive feedback mechanism
Speaker 1: that wants you to keep doing more and more. So
Speaker 1: this is not a full proof, but this is definitely
Speaker 1: something helpful pharmacologically that can help a lot of people.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting and so I mean, I'm a we're
Speaker 1: open on the show. My all my stuff is out there.
Speaker 1: So I suffer from sex addiction, um and I've been
Speaker 1: in recovery for that for the past four years, you know,
Speaker 1: on and off, been doing you know, fight my good
Speaker 1: fight per se around that. And it for me, you know,
Speaker 1: with something like that that's not of substance based, you know,
Speaker 1: it's been hard even for myself early on to wrap
Speaker 1: my head around it, to to understand it, let alone
Speaker 1: my wife or the people around me to understand. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: alcohol or substance abuse, you can kind of get that
Speaker 1: there's a chemical like it's almost it's easier to understand
Speaker 1: the physical you know chemical around that with you know,
Speaker 1: the sexy aspect or maybe gambler's addiction or whatever it
Speaker 1: may be. It's it's a little different, and it's it's
Speaker 1: been hard to um live with. It's been hard to
Speaker 1: articulate to people and help them understand and put into
Speaker 1: words the things that go on in my head and
Speaker 1: where all that comes from and the dopamine and everything.
Speaker 1: So with those kind of addictions, are you saying that
Speaker 1: there's still there could be some pharmaceutical benefit around that,
Speaker 1: some somewhat you know, for for for gambling addiction, there
Speaker 1: are some medications that have been trialed. For sex addiction,
Speaker 1: there's really no FDA approved medication. However, you know, the
Speaker 1: typical treatment course or someone with behavioral addiction such as
Speaker 1: sex addiction is twofold. Number one is psychotherapy to uncover
Speaker 1: any underlying issues, maybe traumas like child or you know,
Speaker 1: things that have caused these behaviors. And number two behavioral therapy,
Speaker 1: so where psychotherapy looks back to understand what has caused
Speaker 1: the behavior in the past. Behavioral therapy is say, in
Speaker 1: that moment, what can I do to change my behavior?
Speaker 1: And that may be a neural laguistic linguistic programming n LP,
Speaker 1: it might be other types of behavioral therapy which have
Speaker 1: been used in a lot of different walks of life.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of um success coaches, teach CEOs
Speaker 1: and athletes the physical things that they can do to
Speaker 1: really be present in the moment. You know, things simply
Speaker 1: as like brushing your hair, touching your finger, touching a
Speaker 1: watch which reminds you of something. That's that's what behavioral
Speaker 1: therapy is. So maybe when you get those urges, you know,
Speaker 1: you you touch something that reminds you of your your
Speaker 1: children or your wife, and that makes you you're not
Speaker 1: engage in that behavior. I know my wife's over here.
Speaker 1: Like if there's a drug out there, my husband the cocktail,
Speaker 1: it just stops. Well, that's fascinating that I make up.
Speaker 1: That has to be extremely rewarding to kind of work
Speaker 1: into that field and couters to you just being someone
Speaker 1: who suffers from that, and to know that there's you know,
Speaker 1: good doctors like you who are constantly working at at
Speaker 1: helping those who suffer from addiction because it impacts so
Speaker 1: many people, not just the person who suffers, you know,
Speaker 1: there's so many people around it, um that deal with it. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I do have a question because I've I've used Dr
Speaker 1: Google on this one, so I'm just curious. Um, I
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've suffered from anxiety and PTSD and um,
Speaker 1: I've been on a medicine for god, I don't even
Speaker 1: know how many years now, ten or twelve, fifteen plus years,
Speaker 1: and you know a part of me is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know now that I'm not going to die. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't need to call the ambulance. I
Speaker 1: don't need to you know, you know, alert the entire neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Like I'm okay, I know how to work through a
Speaker 1: panic attack right now. Now, I like being on I'm
Speaker 1: on a very low dosage of lexapro, and I get
Speaker 1: but is it is it harmful to continue to be
Speaker 1: on a drug for that long and to continue to
Speaker 1: stay on it, because I don't I'm so fearful of
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even like taking tile at all.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, is this going to cause
Speaker 1: cancer or is this gonna you know, or is this
Speaker 1: just the thing that's going to just keep me like
Speaker 1: calm for moments. So lexipro in particular, is it is
Speaker 1: a very low risk drug. So that's the kind of
Speaker 1: drug you can take decades and decades and you're completely
Speaker 1: find it. Also, you're on a moderate to low dose,
Speaker 1: so not something that I would consider that you have
Speaker 1: to taper. There are other medications, you know, like bens
Speaker 1: and as a pen zan x valuum added in. Those
Speaker 1: medications can be very harmful to someone, and I would
Speaker 1: certainly recommend that people get off of them as early
Speaker 1: in their life as they can because the lawmen are
Speaker 1: only be more difficult. Um the way that the mechanism
Speaker 1: of action from lexapros specifically is not harmful to the body,
Speaker 1: whereas in contrast, other medications like the bends with as
Speaker 1: pains that I mentioned can be harmful. So, um, every
Speaker 1: medication is different in your case, that's fine for your
Speaker 1: stay on it. Thanks doc, well, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming out. I mean, is there anything that you
Speaker 1: just want everyone to know about just overall health? And um, doctors,
Speaker 1: I say the same thing every time I get on
Speaker 1: It's my soapbox about health. You know, we're especially in
Speaker 1: this time of COVID. We're all thinking about like is
Speaker 1: there going to be a vaccine and what's the treatment?
Speaker 1: You know? But I have you know, I have a
Speaker 1: relatively small practice because it's a concierge practice, and my
Speaker 1: patients are tend to be more health conscious and you know,
Speaker 1: health optimizers, and many of them have gotten COVID and
Speaker 1: many and all all of them have recovered fine. So
Speaker 1: I used that as a small sample size to say,
Speaker 1: if you just take care of your body, exercise, get
Speaker 1: enough sleep, avoid toxins, make sure you have enough vitamins,
Speaker 1: and your body, eat a healthy diet. You know, you're
Speaker 1: going to be in a good place relative to the
Speaker 1: rest of society. Okay, awesome, thank you so much, very
Speaker 1: thank you for your time. We really appreciate it, and
Speaker 1: you're welcome back any time because every enjoy talking to you,
Speaker 1: so thank you. Likewise, thank you. That was fascinating some
Speaker 1: of the especially the stuff that we talked about afterwards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think again, like we kind of started this episode
Speaker 1: with I think it it was really important to have
Speaker 1: just two different minds about this stuff because again, we're
Speaker 1: not professionals. Don't take our word for anything. And even
Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy said it, even with his as much as
Speaker 1: he's on the other side of the fence, he's like,
Speaker 1: just ask questions, you know, and and and dr Abe
Speaker 1: even when we asked him, it's like, how do you
Speaker 1: how does he receive you know, people asking questions, And
Speaker 1: he seemed very open to it. You know, he wasn't
Speaker 1: like defense about he was just like, yeah, it's okay,
Speaker 1: people come in. It's a very personal thing. So art
Speaker 1: he was saying, he's like, our job is to be
Speaker 1: empathetic to that that this is a lot of these
Speaker 1: topics involved their children, which were we protect more than
Speaker 1: anything in this world, so I really enjoyed this episode.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of information, so take it all for
Speaker 1: what it is and that's all it is. Just ask questions,
Speaker 1: process information, and make your own decision for sure. I
Speaker 1: love you guys later