Speaker 1: Ola Latino USA listener, it's Mariao Hsa today the story
Speaker 1: of Brazilian Kat Torres or if you're Brazilian Kacrres.
Speaker 2: I never met a person like that before, just the
Speaker 2: assertiveness and almost like being able to manifest immediately the
Speaker 2: future that she wanted for herself.
Speaker 1: Kat Dorris has a seemingly perfect life. She's gorgeous and
Speaker 1: I'm talking about walks into a room and you cannot
Speaker 1: stop looking at her kind of striking beauty. And she's
Speaker 1: also really big on social media, with hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of people following her every move. She's also well a
Speaker 1: little bit out there. She posts about rituals that she
Speaker 1: calls alien baths. But as time passes and her following grows,
Speaker 1: she gets darker and darker and becomes more dangerous. So
Speaker 1: one woman sets out to free her best friend from
Speaker 1: Cat's tangled web and.
Speaker 3: Just wanted to know if she was alive, if everything
Speaker 3: was okay.
Speaker 1: This is a story of influence of control, about a
Speaker 1: false sense of connection with people that we just follow online,
Speaker 1: but at its core, it's really a story about friendship.
Speaker 1: Futuro Studios, our podcast division, has been working on this
Speaker 1: story and I have to tell you, dear listener, I
Speaker 1: love it and I know you're gonna love it too.
Speaker 1: The series is called Don't Cross Cat. It's based on
Speaker 1: a mega hit Brazilian podcast that journalist Shiko Feliti brought
Speaker 1: to life. So now we're gonna play episode one of
Speaker 1: the series and then stay with us because I sit
Speaker 1: down with Shiko to hear more about all of this
Speaker 1: and about his journey creating this block buster podcast. Don't
Speaker 1: Crosscat is a co production of Wondering and our own
Speaker 1: Futuro Studios. Here's episode one. The witches who worked for you?
Speaker 4: Excuse me, how are you doing doing well?
Speaker 5: We're journalists from Brazil and we're writing a story about
Speaker 5: their former name.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the biggest news that's ever had this neighborhood, probably
Speaker 6: the only one that will.
Speaker 5: I'm not the first Brazilian to set foot in Leander, Texas,
Speaker 5: and the Brazilian women who came and lived here before
Speaker 5: me made quite the impression on their neighbors. Wayne Murray
Speaker 5: lived across the street from them.
Speaker 4: They said that you might know something. You might have
Speaker 4: spoken to them.
Speaker 5: Wayne says that in Leander people do two things, wave
Speaker 5: to each other and then mind their business, at least
Speaker 5: Wayne did. Then in twenty twenty two, that's when these
Speaker 5: new neighbors moved in right us the street.
Speaker 7: So they were not terribly friendly.
Speaker 6: We have this traffic servile right so I'd come in,
Speaker 6: I'd wave to them. They never wave back.
Speaker 4: And there was something else about his new neighbors.
Speaker 7: Very pretty young women.
Speaker 4: They looked like supermodels.
Speaker 7: Very attractive, blonde and a pretty attractive brunette.
Speaker 5: Tall, thin, gorgeous, right out of the latest Victoria's Secret
Speaker 5: fashion show. I mean, I'm super gay, and even I
Speaker 5: can see it. And it wasn't just having a house
Speaker 5: full of gorgeous Brazilian women in a nondescript American suburb
Speaker 5: that was unusual. One day, he just stopped seeing them.
Speaker 5: The house was empty, the women were gone. Eventually a
Speaker 5: rental company came to clear the house. They put out
Speaker 5: the girl stuff in the front yard for anyone to take,
Speaker 5: which was interesting.
Speaker 4: We got quite a bit of this stuff. We just
Speaker 4: took them.
Speaker 7: Actually, look later, I did keep the voodoo dolls.
Speaker 4: Voodoo dolls, doo dolls. I got three voodoo dolls. May
Speaker 4: I just take a look at that? Sure, wel come
Speaker 4: on in.
Speaker 5: One of the women was a social media influencer famous
Speaker 5: in Brazil with more than a million followers. I was
Speaker 5: there because, well, I'm kind of an influencer myself, but
Speaker 5: that was basically an accident. I'm a journalist first, and
Speaker 5: I've made a name for myself investigating stories in Brazil
Speaker 5: where things aren't quite what they seem. And that's what
Speaker 5: brought me to Texas because the woman who lived there
Speaker 5: cat tourists seemed like she had a picture perfect life online.
Speaker 1: Thank you man.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm Chico, by the way, Fran Yeah, okay, that's me.
Speaker 4: Waynne told me.
Speaker 5: The more he looked through the stuff the women left behind,
Speaker 5: the more questions he had about them.
Speaker 7: They had an altar in their yard, not a Christian altar,
Speaker 7: because she had I can never remember the name of
Speaker 7: the pronounced the name of the drug, Hisca. That's it,
Speaker 7: that Brazilian drug.
Speaker 6: They had packages of dried orbs and it has what
Speaker 6: they're good for, good for romance, good for this, good
Speaker 6: for that. Three of them were also good for exorcisms.
Speaker 4: And that wasn't all one thing I found. I still
Speaker 4: have it.
Speaker 7: It's a leather color and like a leather plate in
Speaker 7: these chains and there's a handle on it. When I
Speaker 7: finally buckled it up.
Speaker 4: It's for a dog.
Speaker 5: That's why I was mental as was it the human hardness.
Speaker 7: Or it was a dog hard.
Speaker 5: Wayne started to wonder if he had been getting a
Speaker 5: little carried away, But soon he would see reports of
Speaker 5: what was really going on in that house and he
Speaker 5: would realize that maybe he was right to have been
Speaker 5: because there was something troubling going on, something dark, dangerous,
Speaker 5: even water.
Speaker 3: Place for Hi.
Speaker 4: I'm calling because I would like to know if you
Speaker 4: guys did a well nurse check on that you're missing
Speaker 4: Brazilian girls.
Speaker 6: Is an obstare going to go over there and talk
Speaker 6: to them because they really need you?
Speaker 1: Could?
Speaker 5: I think with the person that's in charge of the
Speaker 5: investigation that's going on for those.
Speaker 4: Three girls that are from Leander.
Speaker 3: I'm helping a family that has a grow missing and
Speaker 3: they didn't tax.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit scary, to be honest.
Speaker 5: From wondering, I'm Chiico Feliti and this is don't cross cat.
Speaker 5: Like most of you and anyone else, I post on
Speaker 5: Instagram quite often. I post pictures of the usual stuff,
Speaker 5: my dog Pashocha, my travels, and my overpriced outfits. Actually,
Speaker 5: my producer pointed out that in quite a few posts,
Speaker 5: I don't seem to have my shirt on, but hey,
Speaker 5: cut me some slack.
Speaker 4: I'm Brazilian.
Speaker 5: I used Insta to post about my podcasts and my
Speaker 5: books too. I've been a journalist for twenty years now.
Speaker 5: I've reported all across Brazil, telling stories of armed conflict, homelessness,
Speaker 5: indigenous tribes.
Speaker 4: You name it.
Speaker 5: And somewhere along the line, people started following me. I
Speaker 5: remember when I reached one hundred thousand followers on Instagram
Speaker 5: and an American company offered me ten grand.
Speaker 4: To pose with a bag of chips.
Speaker 5: That was the exact same amount I got for a
Speaker 5: book that took me a year time, right, a whole year.
Speaker 4: I'm not proud of it.
Speaker 5: It's something I only tell my shrink, But nowadays I
Speaker 5: make a living from social media as much as being
Speaker 5: a journalist. This was not my plan. I have to emphasize,
Speaker 5: I promise. I became an influencer by chance. So when
Speaker 5: I came across the story, I knew I had to
Speaker 5: know more. Because it's all about influence, the lens people
Speaker 5: will go to have it and what they will do
Speaker 5: to keep it. It all begins far from Brazil and
Speaker 5: far from Texas. In Raimie, Vancouver, in the fall of
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, Patty Bertoldo was a thirty two year old
Speaker 5: from Brazil. She had a wide smile and long, light
Speaker 5: brown hair when she walked into Le Crocodile, an upscale
Speaker 5: French restaurant in the city center.
Speaker 3: It was an easy job for me because I could
Speaker 3: speak French. They are looking for someone that speaks French.
Speaker 3: I didn't have to speak a lot to English.
Speaker 5: It was Patty Bertodo's first day on the job. She
Speaker 5: looked around her for someone to talk to as the
Speaker 5: restaurant staff bustled around her. She was not feeling great
Speaker 5: about being there. She had just moved to Canada from
Speaker 5: friends and needed money.
Speaker 3: I didn't like that too much because in France I
Speaker 3: had my life, my job and communication and marketing. I
Speaker 3: was here not doing what I love to do.
Speaker 5: As she continued to walk through the restaurant, Patty came
Speaker 5: across a young woman who said hi to her right away.
Speaker 8: And she was beautiful.
Speaker 3: She had this long blonde, beautiful her with big eyes,
Speaker 3: with this beautiful smile and that energy that you can
Speaker 3: see when a girl She's strong, but feminine and funny.
Speaker 4: Her name was Decirie.
Speaker 3: She wanted to welcome me to the restaurant, and she
Speaker 3: said that she was very so I was speaking Portuguese
Speaker 3: with a friend for the first time and so long.
Speaker 5: Patty followed this around the restaurant as she briefed her
Speaker 5: on her new coworkers.
Speaker 4: This one's really nice.
Speaker 5: That one's not trustworthy, this one's just okay, like most
Speaker 5: of them, Patty was taking note.
Speaker 3: Was like having a friend and a place that everything
Speaker 3: was new for me.
Speaker 5: It felt so comforting to talk to someone from Brazil,
Speaker 5: someone who knew that in Brazil and Portuguese we don't
Speaker 5: have an equivalent for personal space, someone who knew that
Speaker 5: we don't just shake hands when we get someone, of
Speaker 5: course not we kiss twice, sometimes three times. After that
Speaker 5: first shift at the restaurant, Patty started seeing Desirael outside
Speaker 5: of work, at music festivals, the beach picnics, and soon
Speaker 5: they started texting each other daily.
Speaker 3: She had a lot of friend and she was really
Speaker 3: hard working girl. She loved life.
Speaker 5: That Aria was in a wonderful marriage with a man
Speaker 5: from Germany. She and Patty became close. They talked for hours,
Speaker 5: sharing their life stories. Desirat told Patty she had some struggles.
Speaker 3: She had leukemia when she was pretty young, like a kid,
Speaker 3: and she wanted.
Speaker 8: To share with people how precious life is.
Speaker 5: One day, on their way to yoga, Desirat told Patty
Speaker 5: about a famous Brazilian wellness influencer she just found online.
Speaker 8: Do you know that? A girl and Instagram?
Speaker 3: She's so beautiful and she has this amazing life and
Speaker 3: she came from a real part family in Brazil and
Speaker 3: she's also helping people.
Speaker 5: Her name was Cat Tourists. She had hundreds of thousand
Speaker 5: of followers on social media. She posted inspirational quotes about
Speaker 5: manifesting and nourishing your body and your spirit.
Speaker 8: And nice but also used to tell me.
Speaker 5: She posted hundreds of videos like this one looking beautiful
Speaker 5: in enough to show their summertop intellage.
Speaker 1: My uncle daa as Haspital Sounds was a famous song.
Speaker 4: Blessing the day with her energy. And here's the thing
Speaker 4: about Brazilians. We love a good life coach.
Speaker 5: It's up there with how much we love supermodels and
Speaker 5: soccer stars because we value happiness a balanced life. And
Speaker 5: there are plenty of life coaches in Brazil who have
Speaker 5: found a lot of success by telling other people how
Speaker 5: to live their lives for a fee. Of course, Kat
Speaker 5: seems successful, healthy and healthy. She posted about her designer bags,
Speaker 5: fancy hotels, even exotic looking animals. She had a huge
Speaker 5: old vinyl dog that looked like a wolf and the
Speaker 5: really big cat that looked like a leopard. Dassia's eyes
Speaker 5: lit up as she scrolled through cats posts. She told
Speaker 5: Patty this life coach had helped her manifest all the
Speaker 5: good things into her life, and the way she did
Speaker 5: that was through a special gift.
Speaker 3: If I thought it was a famous.
Speaker 4: Cat had ability she could hear the voice.
Speaker 3: She can communicate with the universe because she has this
Speaker 3: light that can speak to her and she can help you.
Speaker 4: That phrase that cat talks to the light stuck out
Speaker 4: to Patty.
Speaker 3: And then I was, okay, she talks to the light
Speaker 3: and a pretty much open mind person. But I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: if someone say to me you talk to the light,
Speaker 3: I will say, oh, you should just see a doctor first.
Speaker 4: But Desiree wasn't nothing.
Speaker 3: And it was now she's amazing And she also has
Speaker 3: a website that you can have music to clean your
Speaker 3: soul and everything.
Speaker 5: Desiree talked about how pretty Cat was, how insightful she was,
Speaker 5: how she could read people's energies, how she could communicate
Speaker 5: directly with the universe to find answers to people's questions.
Speaker 5: And around that time, Patty did have a lot on
Speaker 5: her mind.
Speaker 3: I was having this breakup with ex boyfriend, like made
Speaker 3: me a little bit more fragile.
Speaker 4: When Desier heard about Patty's breakup, she insisted Patty tried
Speaker 4: booking an appointment with Cat.
Speaker 3: She can help you go through that because she can
Speaker 3: see his energy, if he's meant to be with you
Speaker 3: and everything.
Speaker 4: What did she have to lose?
Speaker 8: So I was okay, why not?
Speaker 1: Coming up on this special episode of Latino USA. More
Speaker 1: from Futuro and Wondering Studios new series Don't Cross Cat.
Speaker 1: Stay with us. Hey, we're back and today, dear listener,
Speaker 1: we're bringing you something really special. It's a preview of
Speaker 1: our new series from Futuro Studios in partnership with Wondery.
Speaker 1: It's called Don't Cross Cat Now. It's the story of
Speaker 1: Cat Torres or Katci does if you speak Brazilian Portuguese.
Speaker 1: She is a Brazilian supermodel turned social media influencers slash
Speaker 1: life coach who then takes a dark turn and in
Speaker 1: telling you her story, we bring you actually a story
Speaker 1: of two young women whose friendship was tested by the
Speaker 1: power that Kat had over one of them. Before the break, Patty,
Speaker 1: the skeptical friend, had actually agreed to pay for a
Speaker 1: consultation with Kat, because I mean, what did she have
Speaker 1: to lose? Right, all right, We're going to get back
Speaker 1: to episode one of Don't Cross Cat, and here's the
Speaker 1: host and creator of the series, Shiko Feliti.
Speaker 5: Patty went home and pulled up Kat's website. She was
Speaker 5: curious but skeptical. She scrolled through the supermodel photos and
Speaker 5: got the payment plans.
Speaker 3: So I booke an appointment with Kat that was so expensive,
Speaker 3: by the way, I was a most of more than
Speaker 3: two hundred American dollars for one hour.
Speaker 4: But money wasn't everything.
Speaker 3: I wanted to believe that someone could help me to
Speaker 3: feel batter.
Speaker 5: On the day of the appointment, Patty rushed home to
Speaker 5: get set up for the video call.
Speaker 4: She was a little nervous.
Speaker 3: I was so curious of what is she going to
Speaker 3: say about my energy? I have a good energy. Is
Speaker 3: she going to say something that is new about myself
Speaker 3: that I don't know.
Speaker 5: Patty was hoping to actually get some answers. Was she
Speaker 5: meant to be in Canada, had her breakup in the
Speaker 5: right decision, would she ever find happiness? So she sat
Speaker 5: down in front of her computer, ready for this beautiful
Speaker 5: woman with psychic abilities to tell her the answers.
Speaker 4: But then she wasn't there.
Speaker 8: She was late. I was going nut.
Speaker 3: I was texting and trying to call in no information.
Speaker 5: Then twenty minutes later, Kat finally appeared.
Speaker 3: Then she said, I'm sorry, I had an appointment before,
Speaker 3: so we started not a good food, I would say,
Speaker 3: because I was a little bit upset.
Speaker 5: So okay, she was late, Petty thought, but Decirier had
Speaker 5: spoken so highly of Kat that this was about to
Speaker 5: be good, real good, right.
Speaker 3: She was just asking a few questions, and then she
Speaker 3: started asking about my work up, but just really generic.
Speaker 4: Questions, nothing special.
Speaker 3: So far was pretty much like talking to a friend
Speaker 3: that was not my friend.
Speaker 4: Then Kat started talking about her guiding light.
Speaker 8: The light, saying that he's not a good person for you.
Speaker 4: Patty had to hold back from rolling her eyes in
Speaker 4: front of Cat.
Speaker 3: And paying two hundred bucks for that. So at this
Speaker 3: point I was okay, let's finish with this.
Speaker 5: She didn't get why Deciriel was so taken with Kat,
Speaker 5: so she decided she would gently bring it up with Desiree.
Speaker 5: Patty wasn't thinking about how Kat would feel about all
Speaker 5: of this. After all, Kat was just a life coach
Speaker 5: on social media. She couldn't cause any harm right. Not
Speaker 5: long after the consultation with Kat, Patty met up with
Speaker 5: Decirae at the gym. She had a plan for how
Speaker 5: to start a conversation with her. She was going to
Speaker 5: keep it simple.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to be rude to her and say
Speaker 3: that that person that she was putting in so much
Speaker 3: phle was a scam.
Speaker 4: Patty waited for the right moment.
Speaker 3: I did just say that. Oh I didn't like it.
Speaker 3: I don't think it was helpful for me. I remember
Speaker 3: that I say, you should just be careful.
Speaker 4: Patty paused, waiting for Decire's reaction, but then she.
Speaker 3: Tried to convince me to have a second man.
Speaker 5: Desiree just didn't want to hear what Patty was telling
Speaker 5: her about Kat. Kat's relationship with her followers seemed to
Speaker 5: be superficial, at least from what I could see publicly,
Speaker 5: Her fans would write comments complimenting her on her appearance
Speaker 5: and advice. Kat's response to them would be just emojis,
Speaker 5: or she would try to sell herself, saying things like, hey,
Speaker 5: book a one on one with me. Essentially, Kat was hot, blonde,
Speaker 5: and appeared American.
Speaker 4: That was the big appeal. Anyway, After the day at.
Speaker 5: The gym, Desiree only got more obsessed with Kat.
Speaker 4: It seemed Kat was all she talked about now.
Speaker 5: She talked about how Kat told her what to eat,
Speaker 5: what to wear, and even what to do with her husband. Now,
Speaker 5: Desiree was saying that she wanted her husband to be
Speaker 5: more spiritual, to join her in working with meditation, energy
Speaker 5: and yoga. But Patty knew the spiritual stuff wasn't his thing.
Speaker 3: He was more like playing video games and finance the spike.
Speaker 4: She wasn't too worried though he was crazy.
Speaker 8: In love with her.
Speaker 3: You could see that she was in love with him.
Speaker 4: They've been happily married for years. This was just normal
Speaker 4: couple stuff, and then came the pandemic.
Speaker 3: You were having to adapt your lives to cope with
Speaker 3: this pandemic.
Speaker 4: And continue to base our response.
Speaker 3: A public health emergency or a state of emergency.
Speaker 5: As COVID brought the world to a standstill, Desire's life
Speaker 5: changed completely. Her husband lost his job, which meant that
Speaker 5: they would have to move back to Germany. Desire promised
Speaker 5: to stay in touch with Patty as much as possible,
Speaker 5: but as she began her new life in Europe, Patty
Speaker 5: noticed that Desiray started to see more and more of Cat.
Speaker 5: Patty says, Desiree was booking two, sometimes three consultations with
Speaker 5: Kat every week, and Decier's husband noticed.
Speaker 3: It was hard because he didn't want this here to
Speaker 3: spend too much money. She was spending her whole money
Speaker 3: and consultations, and.
Speaker 5: Of course Desiri told her life coach all about her
Speaker 5: husband's concerns. Patty could see how this was going to
Speaker 5: go for Desire's marriage.
Speaker 8: So they started fighting because of that for sure.
Speaker 5: It was mid twenty twenty one, about a year since
Speaker 5: Desirier had moved away to Germany, and Patty's phone rang.
Speaker 8: She called me and she was crying.
Speaker 3: And she said, Kach told me that he was doing
Speaker 3: black magic. He's doing black magic. It's why I can't
Speaker 3: leave him. It's because he's far saying me to be
Speaker 3: with him.
Speaker 5: Leaved her husband was using supernatural forces to keep her
Speaker 5: with him, an idea that Kat had put in her head.
Speaker 5: Patty told Desierer that it all sounded crazy to her,
Speaker 5: that she didn't think her husband even knew what black
Speaker 5: magic was, but.
Speaker 4: That's very believed Cat.
Speaker 5: A couple of months later, it was all over between
Speaker 5: Decirie and her husband.
Speaker 3: She deleted everything, his phone number, his family, everything. She
Speaker 3: was like, I don't want to talk to him anymore,
Speaker 3: and she moved to another place. Was crazy.
Speaker 5: Patty tried to support this Syria as much as she
Speaker 5: could across the time zones. She texted her all the time.
Speaker 3: It's so hard, right, she's a young age, she's twenty three,
Speaker 3: so whenever, just a young girl making decisions and you
Speaker 3: don't have too much power to decide for her.
Speaker 5: Not long after the divorce, Desirit told Patty that she
Speaker 5: had started dating again, but to Patty, it didn't seem
Speaker 5: like Desire's heart was in it. After one of her
Speaker 5: first dates, Desirit called Patty in tears. She told her
Speaker 5: she was thirty minutes late to her date and the
Speaker 5: guy got upset and said a bunch of mean things.
Speaker 3: To her, and then she was like, I was trying
Speaker 3: to explain to him that I got lost, then I
Speaker 3: took the wrong bus and everything.
Speaker 8: He didn't want to listen to me.
Speaker 5: Patty told her to ditch the guy, it wasn't worth
Speaker 5: her time. But when Deseret told Cat about it, she
Speaker 5: had a very different answer. Catt told Decret that guys
Speaker 5: like him have a strong energy, so they need women
Speaker 5: with an energy that's a little more soft, and Desires
Speaker 5: seemed to agree.
Speaker 3: So was there that I could see for the first
Speaker 3: time that something was pretty wrong with her, that she
Speaker 3: was giving way too much power to count in her life,
Speaker 3: to decide for her everything. But every time that I
Speaker 3: tried to say something, she would get so mad that
Speaker 3: to me she would say, you know how much she
Speaker 3: is important to me?
Speaker 8: When she would not listen.
Speaker 5: Patty's concerns kept growing. She decided to look at what
Speaker 5: Kat was posting on social media, and what she found.
Speaker 4: Was disturbing.
Speaker 5: When Patty looked online, she saw that Kat's social media
Speaker 5: had changed. She wasn't the same gentle life coach that
Speaker 5: Patty had met a few years before, when her online
Speaker 5: presence gave more of a yoga than vibe and she
Speaker 5: posted videos of inspirational meditations, breathing exercises, and positive affirmation.
Speaker 5: Now she had become intense, angry. Even she posted long
Speaker 5: videos rambling about paranoid conspiracy theories on COVID. She told
Speaker 5: her followers not to self isolate if they got infected,
Speaker 5: if they just believed hard enough, they would magically get cured.
Speaker 5: And she had found herself a large audience, more than
Speaker 5: a million followers, as well as her select group of
Speaker 5: paying clients like Tessira. But she was getting noticed by
Speaker 5: other people too. An influential science blogger spoke out on.
Speaker 4: YouTube, poor Quella Comesso.
Speaker 5: She warned everyone not to follow people like Kat on
Speaker 5: Instagram and.
Speaker 8: One layer to pravosis sav Instagra.
Speaker 5: All the criticism didn't sit well with cat.
Speaker 3: Kiss Denis.
Speaker 5: Comme athalogy Lynha Cat said psychologists were a bunch of
Speaker 5: quote shits.
Speaker 4: She said that people were wanting to lynch her, but
Speaker 4: she wasn't going to stop talking.
Speaker 3: She was saying so much stuff in her Instagram, and
Speaker 3: every time that someone would say something that would go
Speaker 3: against what she was saying, she would be so aggressive
Speaker 3: and say bad words and say really mean stuff to
Speaker 3: peoples public avenge, she would say.
Speaker 5: Then one day Just when Patty thought she had seen
Speaker 5: it on, a new, more bizarre video popped up on
Speaker 5: Cat's Instagram profile.
Speaker 3: Tell me to come down and need to come down.
Speaker 5: Cats said she had been kidnapped by Russians.
Speaker 8: I need you right now.
Speaker 3: I'm going to die.
Speaker 5: They're going to kill me. She filmed herself against a
Speaker 5: white wall. No details provided. It was honestly all very cryptic,
Speaker 5: like how did she even have her cell phone with
Speaker 5: her anyway? She said she needed her followers to send
Speaker 5: money to help pay for answer.
Speaker 3: I don't get angry, Amy, I need help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help,
Speaker 3: help helcome.
Speaker 4: A few days later, Kat posted another message she was.
Speaker 8: On the SPA.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm okay. Thank you for everybody that helped me.
Speaker 3: And she was on the SPA probably with the money
Speaker 3: that people sent to her.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 5: But Kat wasn't relaxed for long because there was one
Speaker 5: of her followers who hadn't sent her any ransom money, Desiri,
Speaker 5: so my whole gun. Kat went live on Instagram talking
Speaker 5: to her million strong following.
Speaker 8: She got crazy.
Speaker 5: My best seal, Desira is so fucking arrogant, Kat said,
Speaker 5: She's an idiot.
Speaker 4: I tell you a mora.
Speaker 8: She's saying to her followers.
Speaker 3: Desiree was not grateful for everything that she did for her,
Speaker 3: and she blocked Desire.
Speaker 5: Soon after, Patty got a frantic voice message from Desirie.
Speaker 5: She couldn't believe Kat would do that after everything she
Speaker 5: had done to show her loyalty. This is not the
Speaker 5: person I knew, Desire said on the voice note. I'm
Speaker 5: not going to waste my time. Patty saw her chance.
Speaker 5: This was the moment she'd be waiting for, so she
Speaker 5: sent her a message.
Speaker 8: Back that girl, she's just a crazy girl.
Speaker 3: She needs megical help, not people sending money, so she
Speaker 3: needs someone to.
Speaker 8: Go to the hospital with her.
Speaker 3: In the zero was yeah, she's crazy.
Speaker 5: Finally, this was the fork in the road, the point
Speaker 5: when Desiree would see Kat for the scammer Patty saw.
Speaker 5: A week later, Patty noticed a new post on Kat's Instagram.
Speaker 5: Kat said she was making some changes around her house
Speaker 5: in Texas. She was expanding her business and from now on,
Speaker 5: Kat wouldn't be the only one providing the coaching services.
Speaker 5: She had some assistants living with her. The post read
Speaker 5: meet the Witches who work for you, and there in
Speaker 5: the photo was a familiar face.
Speaker 8: And this area wasn't the team.
Speaker 5: Patty realized the truth. Her best friend hadn't left Cat
Speaker 5: at all. Instead, Desiree had gone all in on what
Speaker 5: Kat had to offer.
Speaker 3: So I Textedviseirel and I was like, what is going on?
Speaker 3: What she's talking about? Are you going to work with
Speaker 3: that crazy girl? And I used you word crazy.
Speaker 5: Four or five days went by and nothing. Patty texted again.
Speaker 5: This time Testi red did.
Speaker 3: Reply stop saying mean stuff about Cat. You know how
Speaker 3: much he is important to my life and if you
Speaker 3: can't accept that, I prefer not to talk to you anymore.
Speaker 3: Was really sad for me to hear that from her,
Speaker 3: and I remember that I told her, how can you
Speaker 3: say that I'm your friend for years now and I'm
Speaker 3: always here for you, I'm always listening to you. You
Speaker 3: know me, you come to my place, you was lept
Speaker 3: in my bed and so I know you.
Speaker 4: How can you.
Speaker 5: Put an Instagram influencer ahead of the friendship we have?
Speaker 5: Patty wrote, someone you're paying to give you attention. After that,
Speaker 5: Testierate disappeared.
Speaker 3: She was not on what'sapp anymore. I texted her and
Speaker 3: she was not engating the text, so I went to
Speaker 3: an Instagram and she has no Instagram anymore and Facebook
Speaker 3: no Facebook anymore. Okay, that's is really weird. So I
Speaker 3: brought her an emails everything.
Speaker 8: It's okay.
Speaker 3: If you don't want to talk to me anymore, it's okay.
Speaker 3: Just let me know if you're okay. Weeks went by
Speaker 3: and still no reply, so I started being really worried
Speaker 3: about her.
Speaker 5: Patty started looking for other people who may have been
Speaker 5: in touch with this siery.
Speaker 3: I can maybe a friend that know her from somewhere,
Speaker 3: so I texted people e Vancouver that knew her.
Speaker 5: She even called Desire's former school in Brazil, hoping to
Speaker 5: find a contact for her parents.
Speaker 8: So no one know news.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to know if she was alive.
Speaker 8: Everything was okay.
Speaker 5: True friendships are often at the core of our lives,
Speaker 5: which are innermost secrets with our friends. They are the
Speaker 5: people we turn to when we need help, the people
Speaker 5: we would drop everything for. But in an online world,
Speaker 5: it's easy to have a sense of closeness with the
Speaker 5: people we see on Instagram every day. So when a beautiful,
Speaker 5: rich influencer gives you attention, even if you're paying for
Speaker 5: your time with them, it could feel like a real connection,
Speaker 5: like you really know them and they really know you.
Speaker 5: Kat had more than a million followers, but she was
Speaker 5: showing desiraye one on one attention, And if you're a
Speaker 5: real life friend like Patty, how could you ever compete
Speaker 5: with that? Patty was about to find out and that
Speaker 5: search for her missing friend was going to cost her
Speaker 5: a lot more than she had imagined.
Speaker 4: Still to come.
Speaker 3: I can be pretty much dangerous, and I'm angry, but
Speaker 3: I think the police in America has more dangerous people
Speaker 3: to catch. Why she's talking about suicide?
Speaker 8: Maybe she was going to kill her.
Speaker 6: It's the most stupid thing I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 6: That Kat was as kN kidnapped to grown women.
Speaker 3: No one's being held against her will, no signs of distress.
Speaker 4: Everybody seems to be okay, no mercy, Sorry.
Speaker 8: What don't tell?
Speaker 3: She's in my mouth?
Speaker 4: Don't tell?
Speaker 6: Haters?
Speaker 2: Dotted pages on Instagram.
Speaker 4: With millions and millions of people.
Speaker 3: I am a famous person. Do you want to get you?
Speaker 4: Fucking when people cross me?
Speaker 8: How do I behave?
Speaker 4: Very scarious?
Speaker 5: That's all coming up on this season of Don't Cross Cat.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, that is a cliffhanger for season one
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be binging on a dear listener, I bet
Speaker 1: you will do stay with us, because after the break
Speaker 1: I sit down with Schiko Feliti, the host and creator
Speaker 1: of Don't Cross Cat, will be right back. Hey, we're back,
Speaker 1: and today, dear listener, we brought you a special preview
Speaker 1: of our new podcast. It's called Don't Cross Cat. It's
Speaker 1: a production of our very own Futuro Studios and Wondery,
Speaker 1: and it's based on a massive hit podcast in Brazil,
Speaker 1: which is called a Coach. It's about a supermodel influencer
Speaker 1: turned sort of dark manipulator who ended up taking young
Speaker 1: women and isolating them from their loved ones. So now
Speaker 1: that we've played you episode one of the series, which
Speaker 1: just dropped, we're going to bring you a conversation with
Speaker 1: Shiko Filiti. He is the man who created the series.
Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us on Latino USA.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, Maria. I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 1: I just listened to episode one as I was driving
Speaker 1: up to the studio and I am estoy hooked in
Speaker 1: Brazilian Portuguese hooked. How do you say it?
Speaker 5: Uh, piz Goda oscada. We would go with obsessedda.
Speaker 1: Obsca el obscada right now with don't cross cat tell
Speaker 1: us like the first time that you heard about this
Speaker 1: influencer Kat Dorris, and what was it that you said,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this story.
Speaker 4: I have to tell this story.
Speaker 5: I think this story it's quite peculiar because it started
Speaker 5: as a jest, started.
Speaker 4: As a joke, at least to me.
Speaker 5: I was one of millions of people who were following
Speaker 5: Kattories online because she was so quirky and she had
Speaker 5: such a weird internet persona. I think she really wanted
Speaker 5: to make it and she really wanted to be Internet famous.
Speaker 5: In one of the ways she started doing so was
Speaker 5: creating memes with her own face, and they were surprisingly
Speaker 5: successful in Brazil. They were dead jokes. They weren't like
Speaker 5: dark humor or anything. But she would use a picture
Speaker 5: of her and writing Portuguese, would you like to kiss
Speaker 5: under the moonlight and say, darling, I'm not even kissing
Speaker 5: in the ring?
Speaker 4: Let alone, and.
Speaker 5: Like bad jokes, really bad bad jokes. But they were
Speaker 5: really successful on Facebook. So she crafted an image of
Speaker 5: herself as a meme.
Speaker 4: So she was.
Speaker 1: Making fun of herself. She was making memes of herself
Speaker 1: and then she just began to take herself ridiculously seriously.
Speaker 5: That was her first step as an Internet persona to
Speaker 5: then become this lifestyle influencer as they call them on Instagram,
Speaker 5: that someone who portrays wealth in the US and like
Speaker 5: posing in a ferrari and posing with Gucci bags. And
Speaker 5: then from that from a lifestyle influencer, was this gorgeous
Speaker 5: supermodel who had moved to the US, who claimed to
Speaker 5: have had an affair with Leonardo DiCaprio and started selling
Speaker 5: coaching sessions. But they were so weird, they were so
Speaker 5: peculiar that people started following her just for the joke
Speaker 5: of it, just for the sake of it. But little
Speaker 5: did I know that there were thousands, maybe tens of
Speaker 5: thousands or hundreds of thousands of mostly young women, Brazilian women,
Speaker 5: who followed her and believed the things she said and sold.
Speaker 5: And she will have those alien bags, she would call them,
Speaker 5: in which she would put through stuff into a tub
Speaker 5: like razor blades and stuffed animals and confetti, and said
Speaker 5: that that could cure all the disease and that could
Speaker 5: bring prosperity to someone, so that it was a jewel.
Speaker 4: Wait wait, yeah, okay, hold on, I know razor.
Speaker 5: Blades, razor blades and stuff, stuffed animals into a tub
Speaker 5: with like rose patals and cologne and all of the Okay,
Speaker 5: what she had, this witch persona that was funny to
Speaker 5: someone who would like me, did not believe her. But
Speaker 5: little did I know that some people really followed her
Speaker 5: and believed the stuff she was selling.
Speaker 1: When did you, she goes say, like, okay, wait a second,
Speaker 1: this is crossed into another line, and therefore I'm obsessed.
Speaker 5: I think that things started getting dark by early twenty
Speaker 5: twenty one, when nameless people anonymously would say on the
Speaker 5: Internet that followers of cat Stories were disappearing after being
Speaker 5: invited by her to live with her in the US.
Speaker 5: She was also selling all this mystical mumbo jumbo, but
Speaker 5: she was also selling this image of self made woman
Speaker 5: in the US. She had made it in the US,
Speaker 5: so she had a big appeal to people. So yeah
Speaker 5: that when I started reading tweets about followers of cat
Speaker 5: Stories that had supposedly disappeared, then something in me shifted
Speaker 5: and it was like, no, this is maybe this is
Speaker 5: no joke. If there is any truth to these allegations,
Speaker 5: maybe we do have a serious story here, in a
Speaker 5: complex story, And it turned out it was even more
Speaker 5: complex than I could have imagined.
Speaker 1: I mean, as a journalist and you're an investigative journalist,
Speaker 1: there's something in you that just said, wait a second,
Speaker 1: could people actually be disappearing here?
Speaker 5: At first, on the first few days, I was like, no,
Speaker 5: this is just Internet gasa, this is not But then
Speaker 5: tens of Twitter profiles and then hundreds of Twitter profiles
Speaker 5: would claim that they knew people who followed katories and had.
Speaker 4: This appear here in the past months.
Speaker 5: So then I started taking it a tet seriously and
Speaker 5: started digging into the story and found out not only
Speaker 5: the women had vanished from Brazil and contact with their
Speaker 5: relatives had been secluded, and that I also discovered that
Speaker 5: Katsori's life story and trajectory was unbelievable.
Speaker 4: It was almost fictional. It looked made up.
Speaker 1: So did kat Torres kind of represent this like an
Speaker 1: American dream appeal? Because she's blonde, right, she's light skinned,
Speaker 1: she's living in the US, she's making it in the
Speaker 1: United States? Is that something that actually really appealed to people?
Speaker 5: Definitely, it resonates a lot with the Brazilian youth. I
Speaker 5: do think we hold the United States of America as
Speaker 5: a mecca in Brazil as a place where you can
Speaker 5: go to make money, you can go to get rich.
Speaker 5: I mean, we're a third world country and we're not
Speaker 5: even geographically close to the US. It's an eight hour flight.
Speaker 5: But even with such hardships, people will try to make
Speaker 5: life in the US.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm kind of I'm getting the feel that
Speaker 1: katoris represented multiple things for a lot of different people,
Speaker 1: but specifically young women. But why do you think that
Speaker 1: this story is going to resonate with US audiences. I
Speaker 1: know nothing about the stories, but I'm already like, okay,
Speaker 1: I need episode two.
Speaker 5: I do think that it's a story with many universal
Speaker 5: strings to touch the heart. For instance, it's a story
Speaker 5: about friendship because, differently from many other true crime cases
Speaker 5: I investigated, this case was solved, or was at least
Speaker 5: helped to be solved by armchair detectives by friends of
Speaker 5: the women who had disappeared. One of the most characters
Speaker 5: in the story is Patti Bertodo, who was one of
Speaker 5: the ci Freita's best friends, and her friend disappears. So
Speaker 5: this woman who lives in Vancouver in Canada, but is
Speaker 5: also Brazilian. Starts a big investigation to find out where
Speaker 5: her friend is, and eventually this investigation is gathering thousands
Speaker 5: of people, thousands of people who are at their homes
Speaker 5: trying to find out whatever happened to these young women
Speaker 5: who went missing, and they were successful.
Speaker 3: I was asking so much to the universe to help
Speaker 3: me to find her, just to find if she was okay.
Speaker 1: That's when we started playing detectives ourselves.
Speaker 3: Everybody was so involved, no one was sleeping who We're
Speaker 3: talking twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 1: I'm totally fascinated by Patty and I'm at the point
Speaker 1: where she's like, wait a second. Somebody that I liked disappeared.
Speaker 1: This is a friend of mine. I'm going to call everybody.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm going to find out remember remember what
Speaker 1: grammar school she went to to try to get in
Speaker 1: touch with the parents. I was like, Oh, check out
Speaker 1: this armchair investigative journalist that it's going to be unveiled right,
Speaker 1: how important they are. Let me ask you a couple
Speaker 1: of questions about you. She coul sure, you have been
Speaker 1: a journalist in Brazil for about two decades. You've covered
Speaker 1: a lot of stories. You have actually obviously hosted a
Speaker 1: lot of podcasts in Portuguese. In Brazil. You actually you
Speaker 1: speak really good English, clearly, but when you host a
Speaker 1: podcast you actually have to get behind a microphone and
Speaker 1: read a script. Look at you, you're already shaking your eyes.
Speaker 4: Have no idea.
Speaker 5: I was so nervous about doing this in English that
Speaker 5: I just loved What did you do?
Speaker 4: I mean faked? So you make it? It's like cats or.
Speaker 1: Is it just how do you say that in Portuguese?
Speaker 4: And we don't have it.
Speaker 5: It's not a Brazilian value, so don't we don't have
Speaker 5: something similar to it. So I have to learn an
Speaker 5: American value, which is faked. So you make it. That
Speaker 5: was my approach to it.
Speaker 4: It was so hard, It was so hard.
Speaker 5: You have no idea. It was the hardest job I
Speaker 5: had in twenty years. I guess we're always questioning ourselves.
Speaker 5: We're always as non native English speaking people were always
Speaker 5: double thinking. I mean, it's such a burden. We always
Speaker 5: have to think twice or three times before speaking. But
Speaker 5: that also related me a lot to the people we interviewed,
Speaker 5: because most of the people are not American and they
Speaker 5: don't speak English as a primary language, so I guess
Speaker 5: that also established a connection, and that's also in the story.
Speaker 5: That's also part of the story that these people have
Speaker 5: a hard time communicating with the.
Speaker 4: Police in Texas.
Speaker 5: For instance, they want to call the police and they
Speaker 5: want to ask if their friends are okay, but they
Speaker 5: do not master the language well enough to do so.
Speaker 4: So that becomes part of the narrative.
Speaker 5: I mean, how are you going to help someone who's
Speaker 5: in a country where you cannot communicate? Wow, Department, yesterday
Speaker 5: I message because of a girl her family in Ze
Speaker 5: is not able to look sorry for.
Speaker 7: The person that's in charge of the investigation for those
Speaker 7: three girls that are from Leander.
Speaker 5: I believe her name.
Speaker 8: Is kat Letitia.
Speaker 3: And this aread that you're missing Brazilian girls and Leander.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they are lots and all the leading social media
Speaker 8: right now.
Speaker 4: It's a really scary.
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, let me go ahead and get the
Speaker 3: Senate has to to give you a call.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, And this is happening in the state of Texas.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay.
Speaker 5: They had tens of calls a day asking about missing
Speaker 5: young women and I don't know if the calls were
Speaker 5: quite taken seriously enough, had been one call from an
Speaker 5: American citizen asking about the whereabouts of an American citizen,
Speaker 5: maybe the Texan police or the Leander police would have
Speaker 5: dealt in a different way.
Speaker 1: I'm also wondering what it was like for you to
Speaker 1: get really deep into doing a story that looks into
Speaker 1: the power of online influencers, because you know that's how
Speaker 1: it starts out. You're like, look, we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: online influencers, and you're like, I'm not a critic because
Speaker 1: I am one myself.
Speaker 5: I'm the first person to point at myself and say
Speaker 5: I won't be a hypocrite. I'm doing it myself. I'm
Speaker 5: making money out of the Internet. But we're all selling lice.
Speaker 5: Every influencer is a salesperson of lives. I know that's
Speaker 5: a harsh Yeah, I know that's a harsh take, but
Speaker 5: that's what I've learned from not only this story. I've
Speaker 5: been covering the Internet for ten years or so, and
Speaker 5: I do think it's time for us to actually discuss
Speaker 5: what social media is and the parasocial relations and the
Speaker 5: kind of relations we nourish online right because they are
Speaker 5: putting us in danger. Not only danger, of being kidnapped
Speaker 5: or trafficked, like it happens in this story. This story
Speaker 5: is like a peculiar case. I mean, it's the worst
Speaker 5: that could happen if you start following the wrong person online.
Speaker 5: But I do think we're being scammed all the time
Speaker 5: by influencers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's this thing that happens, let's say, like
Speaker 1: on Instagram, where you really feel like you're close to
Speaker 1: the person who you're watching online, right, And those of
Speaker 1: us who are doing this, like you or myself, actually
Speaker 1: part of what we try to do is to show
Speaker 1: our more real side of ourselves. And so I'm wondering
Speaker 1: how did that part of the story come up for
Speaker 1: you when you were working on a story about a
Speaker 1: social media influencer who obviously took it to a whole
Speaker 1: other level.
Speaker 5: I mean, it made me look a little bit at
Speaker 5: myself and my life and rethink some things. For instance,
Speaker 5: I'm going to get a little personal now. I'm going
Speaker 5: through a divorce after a fifteen year old marriage. I'm
Speaker 5: so sorry. Yeah it's okay. I mean, O, we're good,
Speaker 5: we're friends, were we're transitioning into something else. But I
Speaker 5: haven't said that online. And I get people asking me
Speaker 5: every day, where is your husband?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 5: Why aren't you showing your husband anymore? Are you divorced?
Speaker 5: Whatever's happening in that actually hurts me. Every time I
Speaker 5: get a message of someone asking are you getting a divorce?
Speaker 5: Are you no longer together? I get hurt and I
Speaker 5: have to intentionally and rationally remind myself that I showed
Speaker 5: my life to these people, so they feel entired, They
Speaker 5: feel like as if they are my friends. So they're
Speaker 5: not being brude or anything. They're talking to an imaginary friend.
Speaker 5: So I sort of created this whole situation, and now
Speaker 5: I don't get to suffer from it because I was
Speaker 5: the one who led these people to believe they were
Speaker 5: close enough to me to ask me if I'm getting
Speaker 5: a divorce. Because I was the one showing my life
Speaker 5: for three hundred and fifty people, I have to take
Speaker 5: accountability for what I've done in the past few years.
Speaker 1: Three hundred and fifty thousand people. Yeah, you said three
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people, fifty.
Speaker 5: Wish I wish, and fifty people that would be that
Speaker 5: would be easy to manage.
Speaker 1: So I want to say, going back to episode one,
Speaker 1: I loved the you know something's going to be uncovered.
Speaker 1: What's going to be uncovered. But something that stuck with
Speaker 1: me was when the neighbor, the Texas neighbor, says, well,
Speaker 1: you know, here, we just say hello to everybody, we wave,
Speaker 1: and then we don't really interact a whole lot after that.
Speaker 1: But he said that when he waved at the women
Speaker 1: who were living with Catoris in this mansion, that they
Speaker 1: didn't wave back. And that is the part where I'm like, what.
Speaker 5: Is Something's funky y weird, right, that's not Presilian at all.
Speaker 5: You could go to jail for not waving back in Brazil.
Speaker 5: That's a falony. That's a felony.
Speaker 1: So okay, you're not going to do a spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: but I mean, give me a hint. What were they drugged?
Speaker 1: Were they warned that they could not interact with the
Speaker 1: outside world.
Speaker 5: They were really under the influence of someone who they
Speaker 5: met on Instagram. They were beyond the influence. I mean,
Speaker 5: they would follow each and every word of this person
Speaker 5: they had chosen to follow. So maybe Paris who are
Speaker 5: answered without spoiling the narrative.
Speaker 1: So anybody who's listening will just be like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to look up she goes. Also, I'm going
Speaker 1: to look up Cat Torris, and if you look up
Speaker 1: Cat Torris you will see, okay, something of a spoiler
Speaker 1: alert here she is in a federal prison in Brazil.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to know that part of it.
Speaker 1: We're going to figure out how that ends up happening.
Speaker 1: And by the way, is a Cat Torres or is
Speaker 1: a cat?
Speaker 5: How we would say catch catchy because we always end
Speaker 5: with a knee Catci Dorris catchys.
Speaker 4: So, so have you been in touch with Catchy?
Speaker 5: I've been with her family and her lawyers. She keeps
Speaker 5: on changing lawyers. And they weren't against this investigation. They
Speaker 5: weren't against the first version of the podcast that was
Speaker 5: published almost two years.
Speaker 4: Ago in Brazil. They didn't oppose to it.
Speaker 1: Oh, but give us some highlights about what we can expect,
Speaker 1: and this way we can tantalize our listeners to go
Speaker 1: and download Don't Cross Cat, which is how we're calling
Speaker 1: the podcast here in the United States. So give us
Speaker 1: a little bit of a hint of what we can expect.
Speaker 5: Sure, I think there are two major narratives in this podcast.
Speaker 5: The first one is the power of a friendship. Paddy
Speaker 5: Berthold with this terrific young woman from Brazil who starts
Speaker 5: an investigation to find out where her friend who disappeared is.
Speaker 5: There's also a deep profile on cat Tourist to find
Speaker 5: out how can someone who came from poverty, who came
Speaker 5: from nothing in Brazil become the alleged affair of Leonardo
Speaker 5: DiCaprio and ended up making.
Speaker 4: It in America.
Speaker 5: She is the personification of the American dream and it
Speaker 5: wasn't easy getting there, as it's not easy for any
Speaker 5: of us Latino to make it in the US, and
Speaker 5: she did make it in the US prior to being
Speaker 5: accused of crimes. So there's the fascinating story of this
Speaker 5: person who came from nothing, from rags to riches. And
Speaker 5: there's also the story that follows of two friends who fight.
Speaker 4: For each other.
Speaker 5: So yeahs, buy one, get one free.
Speaker 1: I am so glad she could that you became obsessed
Speaker 1: with this story because of course all of Brazil has
Speaker 1: heard your podcast and now we get to hear it
Speaker 1: here in the United States. And tonsas muta brigada for
Speaker 1: your work and for bringing us this wonderful podcast.
Speaker 4: Okay, so thank you very much, Mada.
Speaker 1: That's it for today. The episode you Heard from Don't
Speaker 1: Cross Cat was hosted by Shiko Filiti. Fernanda Chawari was
Speaker 1: the senior producer Andres Cavairo was the producer. Don't Cross
Speaker 1: Cat is a production of Wondery and Futuro Studios. Sound
Speaker 1: design and mixing by Stephanie Lebau, Production assistants by Giovanna
Speaker 1: Romano Sanchez and Ottavio Bomfa. Fact checking by Zoe Sullivan.
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