WEBVTT - Don't Cross Kat 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:07.320 Ola Latino USA listener, it's Mariao Hsa today the story 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:12.600 of Brazilian Kat Torres or if you're Brazilian Kacrres. 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:16.639 I never met a person like that before, just the 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:23.880 assertiveness and almost like being able to manifest immediately the 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:25.640 future that she wanted for herself. 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:31.560 Kat Dorris has a seemingly perfect life. She's gorgeous and 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.800 I'm talking about walks into a room and you cannot 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:38.800 stop looking at her kind of striking beauty. And she's 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:43.320 also really big on social media, with hundreds of thousands 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:49.120 of people following her every move. She's also well a 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.760 little bit out there. She posts about rituals that she 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:58.800 calls alien baths. But as time passes and her following grows, 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:04.959 she gets darker and darker and becomes more dangerous. So 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.280 one woman sets out to free her best friend from 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:10.440 Cat's tangled web and. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.360 Just wanted to know if she was alive, if everything 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:14.560 was okay. 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:18.360 This is a story of influence of control, about a 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:23.119 false sense of connection with people that we just follow online, 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:27.360 but at its core, it's really a story about friendship. 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:32.080 Futuro Studios, our podcast division, has been working on this 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.319 story and I have to tell you, dear listener, I 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:37.920 love it and I know you're gonna love it too. 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:42.600 The series is called Don't Cross Cat. It's based on 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:47.680 a mega hit Brazilian podcast that journalist Shiko Feliti brought 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.880 to life. So now we're gonna play episode one of 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.320 the series and then stay with us because I sit 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.240 down with Shiko to hear more about all of this 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:02.000 and about his journey creating this block buster podcast. Don't 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:05.600 Crosscat is a co production of Wondering and our own 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:10.799 Futuro Studios. Here's episode one. The witches who worked for you? 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.040 Excuse me, how are you doing doing well? 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:19.680 We're journalists from Brazil and we're writing a story about 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:20.840 their former name. 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:21.320 Wow. 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:24.680 Yeah, the biggest news that's ever had this neighborhood, probably 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:26.280 the only one that will. 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:32.080 I'm not the first Brazilian to set foot in Leander, Texas, 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.200 and the Brazilian women who came and lived here before 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:39.239 me made quite the impression on their neighbors. Wayne Murray 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.040 lived across the street from them. 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:43.680 They said that you might know something. You might have 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:45.000 spoken to them. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:49.400 Wayne says that in Leander people do two things, wave 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.880 to each other and then mind their business, at least 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:57.960 Wayne did. Then in twenty twenty two, that's when these 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:00.680 new neighbors moved in right us the street. 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.079 So they were not terribly friendly. 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:05.680 We have this traffic servile right so I'd come in, 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.720 I'd wave to them. They never wave back. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.480 And there was something else about his new neighbors. 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:13.760 Very pretty young women. 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.320 They looked like supermodels. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.639 Very attractive, blonde and a pretty attractive brunette. 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:26.080 Tall, thin, gorgeous, right out of the latest Victoria's Secret 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.960 fashion show. I mean, I'm super gay, and even I 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:33.000 can see it. And it wasn't just having a house 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:37.080 full of gorgeous Brazilian women in a nondescript American suburb 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:41.520 that was unusual. One day, he just stopped seeing them. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:48.800 The house was empty, the women were gone. Eventually a 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.960 rental company came to clear the house. They put out 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.760 the girl stuff in the front yard for anyone to take, 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.120 which was interesting. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:59.520 We got quite a bit of this stuff. We just 0:03:59.560 --> 0:03:59.840 took them. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:03.760 Actually, look later, I did keep the voodoo dolls. 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.880 Voodoo dolls, doo dolls. I got three voodoo dolls. May 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.400 I just take a look at that? Sure, wel come 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:10.680 on in. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.720 One of the women was a social media influencer famous 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.520 in Brazil with more than a million followers. I was 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:24.599 there because, well, I'm kind of an influencer myself, but 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.680 that was basically an accident. I'm a journalist first, and 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:32.000 I've made a name for myself investigating stories in Brazil 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:36.960 where things aren't quite what they seem. And that's what 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.200 brought me to Texas because the woman who lived there 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:45.040 cat tourists seemed like she had a picture perfect life online. 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:46.960 Thank you man. 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.640 Sorry, I'm Chico, by the way, Fran Yeah, okay, that's me. 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:52.080 Waynne told me. 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.840 The more he looked through the stuff the women left behind, 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:58.280 the more questions he had about them. 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:03.360 They had an altar in their yard, not a Christian altar, 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.440 because she had I can never remember the name of 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:10.120 the pronounced the name of the drug, Hisca. That's it, 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:11.520 that Brazilian drug. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:16.960 They had packages of dried orbs and it has what 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:21.280 they're good for, good for romance, good for this, good 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.640 for that. Three of them were also good for exorcisms. 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.200 And that wasn't all one thing I found. I still 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:28.480 have it. 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.120 It's a leather color and like a leather plate in 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.200 these chains and there's a handle on it. When I 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:36.760 finally buckled it up. 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:39.279 It's for a dog. 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.320 That's why I was mental as was it the human hardness. 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:44.760 Or it was a dog hard. 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.240 Wayne started to wonder if he had been getting a 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.800 little carried away, But soon he would see reports of 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.640 what was really going on in that house and he 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.600 would realize that maybe he was right to have been 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:06.359 because there was something troubling going on, something dark, dangerous, 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:08.640 even water. 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:09.520 Place for Hi. 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.599 I'm calling because I would like to know if you 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:15.000 guys did a well nurse check on that you're missing 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:16.200 Brazilian girls. 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:17.960 Is an obstare going to go over there and talk 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:19.679 to them because they really need you? 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:19.960 Could? 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:21.960 I think with the person that's in charge of the 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.240 investigation that's going on for those. 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.240 Three girls that are from Leander. 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:30.800 I'm helping a family that has a grow missing and 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:31.760 they didn't tax. 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.520 It's a little bit scary, to be honest. 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:55.880 From wondering, I'm Chiico Feliti and this is don't cross cat. 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.080 Like most of you and anyone else, I post on 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:12.960 Instagram quite often. I post pictures of the usual stuff, 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:18.480 my dog Pashocha, my travels, and my overpriced outfits. Actually, 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.400 my producer pointed out that in quite a few posts, 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.640 I don't seem to have my shirt on, but hey, 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:25.720 cut me some slack. 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:26.880 I'm Brazilian. 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.920 I used Insta to post about my podcasts and my 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:35.320 books too. I've been a journalist for twenty years now. 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:40.320 I've reported all across Brazil, telling stories of armed conflict, homelessness, 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:42.120 indigenous tribes. 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:42.560 You name it. 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:47.480 And somewhere along the line, people started following me. I 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.800 remember when I reached one hundred thousand followers on Instagram 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.600 and an American company offered me ten grand. 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.440 To pose with a bag of chips. 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.720 That was the exact same amount I got for a 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.600 book that took me a year time, right, a whole year. 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:04.120 I'm not proud of it. 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:07.440 It's something I only tell my shrink, But nowadays I 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.680 make a living from social media as much as being 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:14.720 a journalist. This was not my plan. I have to emphasize, 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:19.200 I promise. I became an influencer by chance. So when 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.680 I came across the story, I knew I had to 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.800 know more. Because it's all about influence, the lens people 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.520 will go to have it and what they will do 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:37.520 to keep it. It all begins far from Brazil and 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:41.240 far from Texas. In Raimie, Vancouver, in the fall of 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:45.120 twenty sixteen, Patty Bertoldo was a thirty two year old 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.200 from Brazil. She had a wide smile and long, light 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.800 brown hair when she walked into Le Crocodile, an upscale 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:53.720 French restaurant in the city center. 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:56.880 It was an easy job for me because I could 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.839 speak French. They are looking for someone that speaks French. 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:02.960 I didn't have to speak a lot to English. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.120 It was Patty Bertodo's first day on the job. She 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.400 looked around her for someone to talk to as the 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:12.320 restaurant staff bustled around her. She was not feeling great 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.360 about being there. She had just moved to Canada from 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.160 friends and needed money. 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.000 I didn't like that too much because in France I 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:25.400 had my life, my job and communication and marketing. I 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.200 was here not doing what I love to do. 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.679 As she continued to walk through the restaurant, Patty came 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.720 across a young woman who said hi to her right away. 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:36.880 And she was beautiful. 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:42.040 She had this long blonde, beautiful her with big eyes, 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:46.760 with this beautiful smile and that energy that you can 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:53.160 see when a girl She's strong, but feminine and funny. 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:54.920 Her name was Decirie. 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.000 She wanted to welcome me to the restaurant, and she 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:02.960 said that she was very so I was speaking Portuguese 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.280 with a friend for the first time and so long. 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.360 Patty followed this around the restaurant as she briefed her 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:11.880 on her new coworkers. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:14.520 This one's really nice. 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:20.000 That one's not trustworthy, this one's just okay, like most 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.439 of them, Patty was taking note. 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:27.080 Was like having a friend and a place that everything 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:27.880 was new for me. 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.560 It felt so comforting to talk to someone from Brazil, 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:35.120 someone who knew that in Brazil and Portuguese we don't 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:39.200 have an equivalent for personal space, someone who knew that 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:42.000 we don't just shake hands when we get someone, of 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:48.000 course not we kiss twice, sometimes three times. After that 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.720 first shift at the restaurant, Patty started seeing Desirael outside 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:56.480 of work, at music festivals, the beach picnics, and soon 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.360 they started texting each other daily. 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.040 She had a lot of friend and she was really 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.439 hard working girl. She loved life. 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.760 That Aria was in a wonderful marriage with a man 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:13.119 from Germany. She and Patty became close. They talked for hours, 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:17.920 sharing their life stories. Desirat told Patty she had some struggles. 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.000 She had leukemia when she was pretty young, like a kid, 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.000 and she wanted. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.439 To share with people how precious life is. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.440 One day, on their way to yoga, Desirat told Patty 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:38.720 about a famous Brazilian wellness influencer she just found online. 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.400 Do you know that? A girl and Instagram? 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:47.120 She's so beautiful and she has this amazing life and 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:51.080 she came from a real part family in Brazil and 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.600 she's also helping people. 0:11:54.480 --> 0:12:00.000 Her name was Cat Tourists. She had hundreds of thousand 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:04.199 of followers on social media. She posted inspirational quotes about 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:08.160 manifesting and nourishing your body and your spirit. 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.560 And nice but also used to tell me. 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:15.560 She posted hundreds of videos like this one looking beautiful 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.640 in enough to show their summertop intellage. 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:24.160 My uncle daa as Haspital Sounds was a famous song. 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:29.679 Blessing the day with her energy. And here's the thing 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.920 about Brazilians. We love a good life coach. 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.360 It's up there with how much we love supermodels and 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:41.800 soccer stars because we value happiness a balanced life. And 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.400 there are plenty of life coaches in Brazil who have 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.839 found a lot of success by telling other people how 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:57.640 to live their lives for a fee. Of course, Kat 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:06.680 seems successful, healthy and healthy. She posted about her designer bags, 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.880 fancy hotels, even exotic looking animals. She had a huge 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.400 old vinyl dog that looked like a wolf and the 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:17.600 really big cat that looked like a leopard. Dassia's eyes 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.880 lit up as she scrolled through cats posts. She told 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.960 Patty this life coach had helped her manifest all the 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.840 good things into her life, and the way she did 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:28.720 that was through a special gift. 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:35.800 If I thought it was a famous. 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:40.240 Cat had ability she could hear the voice. 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:45.439 She can communicate with the universe because she has this 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.720 light that can speak to her and she can help you. 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.960 That phrase that cat talks to the light stuck out 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:54.840 to Patty. 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.720 And then I was, okay, she talks to the light 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.600 and a pretty much open mind person. But I was like, okay, 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.320 if someone say to me you talk to the light, 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.600 I will say, oh, you should just see a doctor first. 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.439 But Desiree wasn't nothing. 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.880 And it was now she's amazing And she also has 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.760 a website that you can have music to clean your 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.280 soul and everything. 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:28.760 Desiree talked about how pretty Cat was, how insightful she was, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:33.320 how she could read people's energies, how she could communicate 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:38.160 directly with the universe to find answers to people's questions. 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.080 And around that time, Patty did have a lot on 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:42.680 her mind. 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:47.960 I was having this breakup with ex boyfriend, like made 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.200 me a little bit more fragile. 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.880 When Desier heard about Patty's breakup, she insisted Patty tried 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.200 booking an appointment with Cat. 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:01.080 She can help you go through that because she can 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.320 see his energy, if he's meant to be with you 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:06.520 and everything. 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:08.240 What did she have to lose? 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.000 So I was okay, why not? 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.720 Coming up on this special episode of Latino USA. More 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:23.560 from Futuro and Wondering Studios new series Don't Cross Cat. 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:35.440 Stay with us. Hey, we're back and today, dear listener, 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:39.560 we're bringing you something really special. It's a preview of 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:43.960 our new series from Futuro Studios in partnership with Wondery. 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:48.440 It's called Don't Cross Cat Now. It's the story of 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:53.640 Cat Torres or Katci does if you speak Brazilian Portuguese. 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:58.560 She is a Brazilian supermodel turned social media influencers slash 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:03.280 life coach who then takes a dark turn and in 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:07.240 telling you her story, we bring you actually a story 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.640 of two young women whose friendship was tested by the 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:15.760 power that Kat had over one of them. Before the break, Patty, 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.240 the skeptical friend, had actually agreed to pay for a 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:23.480 consultation with Kat, because I mean, what did she have 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.960 to lose? Right, all right, We're going to get back 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.240 to episode one of Don't Cross Cat, and here's the 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.000 host and creator of the series, Shiko Feliti. 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.680 Patty went home and pulled up Kat's website. She was 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:41.120 curious but skeptical. She scrolled through the supermodel photos and 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:42.840 got the payment plans. 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:48.040 So I booke an appointment with Kat that was so expensive, 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.120 by the way, I was a most of more than 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.760 two hundred American dollars for one hour. 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:55.760 But money wasn't everything. 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.480 I wanted to believe that someone could help me to 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:00.000 feel batter. 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.199 On the day of the appointment, Patty rushed home to 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:07.800 get set up for the video call. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:09.800 She was a little nervous. 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.240 I was so curious of what is she going to 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:16.199 say about my energy? I have a good energy. Is 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:20.240 she going to say something that is new about myself 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:20.879 that I don't know. 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.359 Patty was hoping to actually get some answers. Was she 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.040 meant to be in Canada, had her breakup in the 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:32.760 right decision, would she ever find happiness? So she sat 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.879 down in front of her computer, ready for this beautiful 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:39.720 woman with psychic abilities to tell her the answers. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:41.640 But then she wasn't there. 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.720 She was late. I was going nut. 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:52.040 I was texting and trying to call in no information. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.520 Then twenty minutes later, Kat finally appeared. 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:00.280 Then she said, I'm sorry, I had an appointment before, 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.680 so we started not a good food, I would say, 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.320 because I was a little bit upset. 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.240 So okay, she was late, Petty thought, but Decirier had 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:14.240 spoken so highly of Kat that this was about to 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.280 be good, real good, right. 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:21.360 She was just asking a few questions, and then she 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:26.400 started asking about my work up, but just really generic. 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.000 Questions, nothing special. 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:31.160 So far was pretty much like talking to a friend 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:32.760 that was not my friend. 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.960 Then Kat started talking about her guiding light. 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.240 The light, saying that he's not a good person for you. 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.280 Patty had to hold back from rolling her eyes in 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:44.400 front of Cat. 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.520 And paying two hundred bucks for that. So at this 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.720 point I was okay, let's finish with this. 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.439 She didn't get why Deciriel was so taken with Kat, 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.040 so she decided she would gently bring it up with Desiree. 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.440 Patty wasn't thinking about how Kat would feel about all 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:08.160 of this. After all, Kat was just a life coach 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:23.280 on social media. She couldn't cause any harm right. Not 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.399 long after the consultation with Kat, Patty met up with 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.360 Decirae at the gym. She had a plan for how 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:32.280 to start a conversation with her. She was going to 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:33.280 keep it simple. 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.640 I didn't want to be rude to her and say 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.920 that that person that she was putting in so much 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:42.400 phle was a scam. 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:44.320 Patty waited for the right moment. 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:46.840 I did just say that. Oh I didn't like it. 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.959 I don't think it was helpful for me. I remember 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.080 that I say, you should just be careful. 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:57.640 Patty paused, waiting for Decire's reaction, but then she. 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:00.440 Tried to convince me to have a second man. 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.800 Desiree just didn't want to hear what Patty was telling 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:12.639 her about Kat. Kat's relationship with her followers seemed to 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:16.080 be superficial, at least from what I could see publicly, 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:20.280 Her fans would write comments complimenting her on her appearance 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:24.320 and advice. Kat's response to them would be just emojis, 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.600 or she would try to sell herself, saying things like, hey, 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:32.200 book a one on one with me. Essentially, Kat was hot, blonde, 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:33.640 and appeared American. 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:39.720 That was the big appeal. Anyway, After the day at. 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:42.560 The gym, Desiree only got more obsessed with Kat. 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.600 It seemed Kat was all she talked about now. 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.800 She talked about how Kat told her what to eat, 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:53.360 what to wear, and even what to do with her husband. Now, 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:55.840 Desiree was saying that she wanted her husband to be 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:00.680 more spiritual, to join her in working with meditation, energy 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:05.920 and yoga. But Patty knew the spiritual stuff wasn't his thing. 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:11.760 He was more like playing video games and finance the spike. 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.560 She wasn't too worried though he was crazy. 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:16.440 In love with her. 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:19.760 You could see that she was in love with him. 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.560 They've been happily married for years. This was just normal 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:27.200 couple stuff, and then came the pandemic. 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:29.439 You were having to adapt your lives to cope with 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:30.760 this pandemic. 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:32.960 And continue to base our response. 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.439 A public health emergency or a state of emergency. 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.840 As COVID brought the world to a standstill, Desire's life 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:42.240 changed completely. Her husband lost his job, which meant that 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:45.480 they would have to move back to Germany. Desire promised 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:47.880 to stay in touch with Patty as much as possible, 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:51.040 but as she began her new life in Europe, Patty 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:54.240 noticed that Desiray started to see more and more of Cat. 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:59.000 Patty says, Desiree was booking two, sometimes three consultations with 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:03.080 Kat every week, and Decier's husband noticed. 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:06.080 It was hard because he didn't want this here to 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.879 spend too much money. She was spending her whole money 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.000 and consultations, and. 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.800 Of course Desiri told her life coach all about her 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:18.720 husband's concerns. Patty could see how this was going to 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:20.919 go for Desire's marriage. 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:24.320 So they started fighting because of that for sure. 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:33.080 It was mid twenty twenty one, about a year since 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:37.080 Desirier had moved away to Germany, and Patty's phone rang. 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.399 She called me and she was crying. 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:48.120 And she said, Kach told me that he was doing 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:53.480 black magic. He's doing black magic. It's why I can't 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:56.879 leave him. It's because he's far saying me to be 0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:59.000 with him. 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:03.760 Leaved her husband was using supernatural forces to keep her 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:07.359 with him, an idea that Kat had put in her head. 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:12.160 Patty told Desierer that it all sounded crazy to her, 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:15.320 that she didn't think her husband even knew what black 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:19.360 magic was, but. 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:20.600 That's very believed Cat. 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:33.720 A couple of months later, it was all over between 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:34.960 Decirie and her husband. 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:39.600 She deleted everything, his phone number, his family, everything. She 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:41.720 was like, I don't want to talk to him anymore, 0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:45.640 and she moved to another place. Was crazy. 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:48.760 Patty tried to support this Syria as much as she 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:52.639 could across the time zones. She texted her all the time. 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:56.760 It's so hard, right, she's a young age, she's twenty three, 0:23:57.000 --> 0:24:01.600 so whenever, just a young girl making decisions and you 0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:04.160 don't have too much power to decide for her. 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:08.359 Not long after the divorce, Desirit told Patty that she 0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:12.399 had started dating again, but to Patty, it didn't seem 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:16.360 like Desire's heart was in it. After one of her 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:21.000 first dates, Desirit called Patty in tears. She told her 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:23.320 she was thirty minutes late to her date and the 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.200 guy got upset and said a bunch of mean things. 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.439 To her, and then she was like, I was trying 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:31.840 to explain to him that I got lost, then I 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:33.880 took the wrong bus and everything. 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:35.800 He didn't want to listen to me. 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:39.480