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Speaker 1: Ola Latino USA listener, it's Mariao Hsa today the story

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Speaker 1: of Brazilian Kat Torres or if you're Brazilian Kacrres.

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Speaker 2: I never met a person like that before, just the

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Speaker 2: assertiveness and almost like being able to manifest immediately the

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Speaker 2: future that she wanted for herself.

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Speaker 1: Kat Dorris has a seemingly perfect life. She's gorgeous and

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about walks into a room and you cannot

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Speaker 1: stop looking at her kind of striking beauty. And she's

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Speaker 1: also really big on social media, with hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 1: of people following her every move. She's also well a

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Speaker 1: little bit out there. She posts about rituals that she

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Speaker 1: calls alien baths. But as time passes and her following grows,

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Speaker 1: she gets darker and darker and becomes more dangerous. So

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Speaker 1: one woman sets out to free her best friend from

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Speaker 1: Cat's tangled web and.

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Speaker 3: Just wanted to know if she was alive, if everything

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Speaker 3: was okay.

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Speaker 1: This is a story of influence of control, about a

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Speaker 1: false sense of connection with people that we just follow online,

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Speaker 1: but at its core, it's really a story about friendship.

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Speaker 1: Futuro Studios, our podcast division, has been working on this

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Speaker 1: story and I have to tell you, dear listener, I

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Speaker 1: love it and I know you're gonna love it too.

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Speaker 1: The series is called Don't Cross Cat. It's based on

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Speaker 1: a mega hit Brazilian podcast that journalist Shiko Feliti brought

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Speaker 1: to life. So now we're gonna play episode one of

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Speaker 1: the series and then stay with us because I sit

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Speaker 1: down with Shiko to hear more about all of this

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Speaker 1: and about his journey creating this block buster podcast. Don't

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Speaker 1: Crosscat is a co production of Wondering and our own

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Speaker 1: Futuro Studios. Here's episode one. The witches who worked for you?

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Speaker 4: Excuse me, how are you doing doing well?

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Speaker 5: We're journalists from Brazil and we're writing a story about

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Speaker 5: their former name.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the biggest news that's ever had this neighborhood, probably

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Speaker 6: the only one that will.

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Speaker 5: I'm not the first Brazilian to set foot in Leander, Texas,

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Speaker 5: and the Brazilian women who came and lived here before

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Speaker 5: me made quite the impression on their neighbors. Wayne Murray

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Speaker 5: lived across the street from them.

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Speaker 4: They said that you might know something. You might have

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Speaker 4: spoken to them.

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Speaker 5: Wayne says that in Leander people do two things, wave

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Speaker 5: to each other and then mind their business, at least

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Speaker 5: Wayne did. Then in twenty twenty two, that's when these

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Speaker 5: new neighbors moved in right us the street.

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Speaker 7: So they were not terribly friendly.

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Speaker 6: We have this traffic servile right so I'd come in,

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Speaker 6: I'd wave to them. They never wave back.

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Speaker 4: And there was something else about his new neighbors.

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Speaker 7: Very pretty young women.

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Speaker 4: They looked like supermodels.

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Speaker 7: Very attractive, blonde and a pretty attractive brunette.

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Speaker 5: Tall, thin, gorgeous, right out of the latest Victoria's Secret

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Speaker 5: fashion show. I mean, I'm super gay, and even I

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Speaker 5: can see it. And it wasn't just having a house

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Speaker 5: full of gorgeous Brazilian women in a nondescript American suburb

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Speaker 5: that was unusual. One day, he just stopped seeing them.

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Speaker 5: The house was empty, the women were gone. Eventually a

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Speaker 5: rental company came to clear the house. They put out

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Speaker 5: the girl stuff in the front yard for anyone to take,

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Speaker 4: We got quite a bit of this stuff. We just

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Speaker 7: Actually, look later, I did keep the voodoo dolls.

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Speaker 4: Voodoo dolls, doo dolls. I got three voodoo dolls. May

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Speaker 4: I just take a look at that? Sure, wel come

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Speaker 5: One of the women was a social media influencer famous

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Speaker 5: there because, well, I'm kind of an influencer myself, but

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Speaker 5: that was basically an accident. I'm a journalist first, and

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Speaker 5: I've made a name for myself investigating stories in Brazil

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Speaker 5: where things aren't quite what they seem. And that's what

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Speaker 5: brought me to Texas because the woman who lived there

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Speaker 5: cat tourists seemed like she had a picture perfect life online.

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Speaker 1: Thank you man.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm Chico, by the way, Fran Yeah, okay, that's me.

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Speaker 4: Waynne told me.

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Speaker 5: The more he looked through the stuff the women left behind,

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Speaker 7: They had an altar in their yard, not a Christian altar,

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Speaker 6: They had packages of dried orbs and it has what

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Speaker 6: they're good for, good for romance, good for this, good

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Speaker 6: for that. Three of them were also good for exorcisms.

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Speaker 4: And that wasn't all one thing I found. I still

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Speaker 7: It's a leather color and like a leather plate in

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Speaker 4: It's for a dog.

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Speaker 5: That's why I was mental as was it the human hardness.

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Speaker 7: Or it was a dog hard.

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Speaker 5: Wayne started to wonder if he had been getting a

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Speaker 5: little carried away, But soon he would see reports of

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Speaker 5: because there was something troubling going on, something dark, dangerous,

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Speaker 3: Place for Hi.

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Speaker 4: I'm calling because I would like to know if you

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Speaker 4: guys did a well nurse check on that you're missing

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Speaker 6: Is an obstare going to go over there and talk

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Speaker 1: Could?

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Speaker 5: I think with the person that's in charge of the

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Speaker 4: Three girls that are from Leander.

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Speaker 3: I'm helping a family that has a grow missing and

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit scary, to be honest.

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Speaker 5: From wondering, I'm Chiico Feliti and this is don't cross cat.

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Speaker 5: Like most of you and anyone else, I post on

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Speaker 5: my dog Pashocha, my travels, and my overpriced outfits. Actually,

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Speaker 5: my producer pointed out that in quite a few posts,

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Speaker 5: I don't seem to have my shirt on, but hey,

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Speaker 5: cut me some slack.

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Speaker 4: I'm Brazilian.

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Speaker 5: I used Insta to post about my podcasts and my

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Speaker 5: I've reported all across Brazil, telling stories of armed conflict, homelessness,

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Speaker 4: You name it.

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Speaker 5: And somewhere along the line, people started following me. I

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Speaker 5: That was the exact same amount I got for a

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Speaker 4: I'm not proud of it.

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Speaker 5: It's something I only tell my shrink, But nowadays I

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Speaker 5: to keep it. It all begins far from Brazil and

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Speaker 5: far from Texas. In Raimie, Vancouver, in the fall of

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Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, Patty Bertoldo was a thirty two year old

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Speaker 5: brown hair when she walked into Le Crocodile, an upscale

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Speaker 5: It was Patty Bertodo's first day on the job. She

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Speaker 3: I didn't like that too much because in France I

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Speaker 5: As she continued to walk through the restaurant, Patty came

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Speaker 8: And she was beautiful.

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Speaker 3: She had this long blonde, beautiful her with big eyes,

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Speaker 4: Her name was Decirie.

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Speaker 3: She wanted to welcome me to the restaurant, and she

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Speaker 4: This one's really nice.

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Speaker 5: That one's not trustworthy, this one's just okay, like most

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Speaker 3: Was like having a friend and a place that everything

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Speaker 5: It felt so comforting to talk to someone from Brazil,

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Speaker 8: To share with people how precious life is.

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Speaker 5: One day, on their way to yoga, Desirat told Patty

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Speaker 8: Do you know that? A girl and Instagram?

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Speaker 3: She's so beautiful and she has this amazing life and

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Speaker 5: Her name was Cat Tourists. She had hundreds of thousand

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Speaker 5: of followers on social media. She posted inspirational quotes about

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Speaker 8: And nice but also used to tell me.

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Speaker 5: She posted hundreds of videos like this one looking beautiful

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Speaker 1: My uncle daa as Haspital Sounds was a famous song.

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Speaker 4: Blessing the day with her energy. And here's the thing

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Speaker 4: about Brazilians. We love a good life coach.

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Speaker 5: It's up there with how much we love supermodels and

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Speaker 5: to live their lives for a fee. Of course, Kat

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Speaker 5: lit up as she scrolled through cats posts. She told

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Speaker 3: If I thought it was a famous.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on this special episode of Latino USA. More

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Speaker 1: from Futuro and Wondering Studios new series Don't Cross Cat.

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Speaker 1: Stay with us. Hey, we're back and today, dear listener,

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Speaker 1: we're bringing you something really special. It's a preview of

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Speaker 1: our new series from Futuro Studios in partnership with Wondery.

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Speaker 1: It's called Don't Cross Cat Now. It's the story of

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Speaker 1: Cat Torres or Katci does if you speak Brazilian Portuguese.

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Speaker 1: She is a Brazilian supermodel turned social media influencers slash

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Speaker 1: telling you her story, we bring you actually a story

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Speaker 1: the skeptical friend, had actually agreed to pay for a

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Speaker 1: to episode one of Don't Cross Cat, and here's the

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Speaker 1: host and creator of the series, Shiko Feliti.

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Speaker 5: Patty went home and pulled up Kat's website. She was

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Speaker 5: On the day of the appointment, Patty rushed home to

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Speaker 5: Patty was hoping to actually get some answers. Was she

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Speaker 3: Then she said, I'm sorry, I had an appointment before,

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Speaker 4: Then Kat started talking about her guiding light.

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Speaker 8: The light, saying that he's not a good person for you.

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Speaker 4: Patty had to hold back from rolling her eyes in

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Speaker 3: And paying two hundred bucks for that. So at this

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Speaker 5: She didn't get why Deciriel was so taken with Kat,

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Speaker 5: Patty wasn't thinking about how Kat would feel about all

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to be rude to her and say

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Speaker 4: Patty paused, waiting for Decire's reaction, but then she.

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Speaker 5: Desiree just didn't want to hear what Patty was telling

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Speaker 4: They've been happily married for years. This was just normal

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Speaker 5: As COVID brought the world to a standstill, Desire's life

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Speaker 5: Of course Desiri told her life coach all about her

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Speaker 5: When Patty looked online, she saw that Kat's social media

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Speaker 5: She warned everyone not to follow people like Kat on

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Speaker 5: All the criticism didn't sit well with cat.

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Speaker 5: Then one day Just when Patty thought she had seen

447
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 5: it on, a new, more bizarre video popped up on

448
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 5: Cat's Instagram profile.

449
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: Tell me to come down and need to come down.

450
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 5: Cats said she had been kidnapped by Russians.

451
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 8: I need you right now.

452
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to die.

453
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 5: They're going to kill me. She filmed herself against a

454
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 5: white wall. No details provided. It was honestly all very cryptic,

455
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 5: like how did she even have her cell phone with

456
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 5: her anyway? She said she needed her followers to send

457
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 5: money to help pay for answer.

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00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: I don't get angry, Amy, I need help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help,

459
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 3: help helcome.

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00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 4: A few days later, Kat posted another message she was.

461
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 8: On the SPA.

462
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: Oh I'm okay. Thank you for everybody that helped me.

463
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: And she was on the SPA probably with the money

464
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: that people sent to her.

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00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 8: Right.

466
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 5: But Kat wasn't relaxed for long because there was one

467
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 5: of her followers who hadn't sent her any ransom money, Desiri,

468
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 5: so my whole gun. Kat went live on Instagram talking

469
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 5: to her million strong following.

470
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 8: She got crazy.

471
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 5: My best seal, Desira is so fucking arrogant, Kat said,

472
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 5: She's an idiot.

473
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 4: I tell you a mora.

474
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 8: She's saying to her followers.

475
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: Desiree was not grateful for everything that she did for her,

476
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: and she blocked Desire.

477
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 5: Soon after, Patty got a frantic voice message from Desirie.

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00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 5: She couldn't believe Kat would do that after everything she

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00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 5: had done to show her loyalty. This is not the

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00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 5: person I knew, Desire said on the voice note. I'm

481
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 5: not going to waste my time. Patty saw her chance.

482
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 5: This was the moment she'd be waiting for, so she

483
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 5: sent her a message.

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00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 8: Back that girl, she's just a crazy girl.

485
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: She needs megical help, not people sending money, so she

486
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: needs someone to.

487
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 8: Go to the hospital with her.

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00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: In the zero was yeah, she's crazy.

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00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 5: Finally, this was the fork in the road, the point

490
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 5: when Desiree would see Kat for the scammer Patty saw.

491
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 5: A week later, Patty noticed a new post on Kat's Instagram.

492
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 5: Kat said she was making some changes around her house

493
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 5: in Texas. She was expanding her business and from now on,

494
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 5: Kat wouldn't be the only one providing the coaching services.

495
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 5: She had some assistants living with her. The post read

496
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 5: meet the Witches who work for you, and there in

497
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 5: the photo was a familiar face.

498
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 8: And this area wasn't the team.

499
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 5: Patty realized the truth. Her best friend hadn't left Cat

500
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 5: at all. Instead, Desiree had gone all in on what

501
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 5: Kat had to offer.

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00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: So I Textedviseirel and I was like, what is going on?

503
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: What she's talking about? Are you going to work with

504
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: that crazy girl? And I used you word crazy.

505
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 5: Four or five days went by and nothing. Patty texted again.

506
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 5: This time Testi red did.

507
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: Reply stop saying mean stuff about Cat. You know how

508
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 3: much he is important to my life and if you

509
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: can't accept that, I prefer not to talk to you anymore.

510
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: Was really sad for me to hear that from her,

511
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,719
Speaker 3: and I remember that I told her, how can you

512
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: say that I'm your friend for years now and I'm

513
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 3: always here for you, I'm always listening to you. You

514
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 3: know me, you come to my place, you was lept

515
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: in my bed and so I know you.

516
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 4: How can you.

517
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 5: Put an Instagram influencer ahead of the friendship we have?

518
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 5: Patty wrote, someone you're paying to give you attention. After that,

519
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 5: Testierate disappeared.

520
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: She was not on what'sapp anymore. I texted her and

521
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 3: she was not engating the text, so I went to

522
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 3: an Instagram and she has no Instagram anymore and Facebook

523
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: no Facebook anymore. Okay, that's is really weird. So I

524
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: brought her an emails everything.

525
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 8: It's okay.

526
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 3: If you don't want to talk to me anymore, it's okay.

527
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: Just let me know if you're okay. Weeks went by

528
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: and still no reply, so I started being really worried

529
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: about her.

530
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 5: Patty started looking for other people who may have been

531
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 5: in touch with this siery.

532
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: I can maybe a friend that know her from somewhere,

533
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: so I texted people e Vancouver that knew her.

534
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 5: She even called Desire's former school in Brazil, hoping to

535
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 5: find a contact for her parents.

536
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 8: So no one know news.

537
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: I just wanted to know if she was alive.

538
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 8: Everything was okay.

539
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 5: True friendships are often at the core of our lives,

540
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 5: which are innermost secrets with our friends. They are the

541
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 5: people we turn to when we need help, the people

542
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 5: we would drop everything for. But in an online world,

543
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 5: it's easy to have a sense of closeness with the

544
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 5: people we see on Instagram every day. So when a beautiful,

545
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 5: rich influencer gives you attention, even if you're paying for

546
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 5: your time with them, it could feel like a real connection,

547
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 5: like you really know them and they really know you.

548
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 5: Kat had more than a million followers, but she was

549
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 5: showing desiraye one on one attention, And if you're a

550
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 5: real life friend like Patty, how could you ever compete

551
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 5: with that? Patty was about to find out and that

552
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 5: search for her missing friend was going to cost her

553
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 5: a lot more than she had imagined.

554
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 4: Still to come.

555
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: I can be pretty much dangerous, and I'm angry, but

556
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: I think the police in America has more dangerous people

557
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 3: to catch. Why she's talking about suicide?

558
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 8: Maybe she was going to kill her.

559
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 6: It's the most stupid thing I've ever heard in my life.

560
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 6: That Kat was as kN kidnapped to grown women.

561
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 3: No one's being held against her will, no signs of distress.

562
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 4: Everybody seems to be okay, no mercy, Sorry.

563
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 8: What don't tell?

564
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: She's in my mouth?

565
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 4: Don't tell?

566
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 6: Haters?

567
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: Dotted pages on Instagram.

568
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 4: With millions and millions of people.

569
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: I am a famous person. Do you want to get you?

570
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 4: Fucking when people cross me?

571
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 8: How do I behave?

572
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 4: Very scarious?

573
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 5: That's all coming up on this season of Don't Cross Cat.

574
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: All right, Well, that is a cliffhanger for season one

575
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be binging on a dear listener, I bet

576
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: you will do stay with us, because after the break

577
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: I sit down with Schiko Feliti, the host and creator

578
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: of Don't Cross Cat, will be right back. Hey, we're back,

579
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: and today, dear listener, we brought you a special preview

580
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: of our new podcast. It's called Don't Cross Cat. It's

581
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: a production of our very own Futuro Studios and Wondery,

582
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: and it's based on a massive hit podcast in Brazil,

583
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: which is called a Coach. It's about a supermodel influencer

584
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: turned sort of dark manipulator who ended up taking young

585
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: women and isolating them from their loved ones. So now

586
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: that we've played you episode one of the series, which

587
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: just dropped, we're going to bring you a conversation with

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00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: Shiko Filiti. He is the man who created the series.

589
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you so much for

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00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: joining us on Latino USA.

591
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, Maria. I'm glad to be here.

592
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: I just listened to episode one as I was driving

593
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: up to the studio and I am estoy hooked in

594
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: Brazilian Portuguese hooked. How do you say it?

595
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 5: Uh, piz Goda oscada. We would go with obsessedda.

596
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: Obsca el obscada right now with don't cross cat tell

597
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: us like the first time that you heard about this

598
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: influencer Kat Dorris, and what was it that you said,

599
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this story.

600
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 4: I have to tell this story.

601
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 5: I think this story it's quite peculiar because it started

602
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 5: as a jest, started.

603
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 4: As a joke, at least to me.

604
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 5: I was one of millions of people who were following

605
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 5: Kattories online because she was so quirky and she had

606
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 5: such a weird internet persona. I think she really wanted

607
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 5: to make it and she really wanted to be Internet famous.

608
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 5: In one of the ways she started doing so was

609
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 5: creating memes with her own face, and they were surprisingly

610
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 5: successful in Brazil. They were dead jokes. They weren't like

611
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 5: dark humor or anything. But she would use a picture

612
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 5: of her and writing Portuguese, would you like to kiss

613
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 5: under the moonlight and say, darling, I'm not even kissing

614
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 5: in the ring?

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00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 4: Let alone, and.

616
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 5: Like bad jokes, really bad bad jokes. But they were

617
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 5: really successful on Facebook. So she crafted an image of

618
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 5: herself as a meme.

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Speaker 4: So she was.

620
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: Making fun of herself. She was making memes of herself

621
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: and then she just began to take herself ridiculously seriously.

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00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 5: That was her first step as an Internet persona to

623
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 5: then become this lifestyle influencer as they call them on Instagram,

624
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 5: that someone who portrays wealth in the US and like

625
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 5: posing in a ferrari and posing with Gucci bags. And

626
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 5: then from that from a lifestyle influencer, was this gorgeous

627
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 5: supermodel who had moved to the US, who claimed to

628
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 5: have had an affair with Leonardo DiCaprio and started selling

629
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 5: coaching sessions. But they were so weird, they were so

630
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 5: peculiar that people started following her just for the joke

631
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 5: of it, just for the sake of it. But little

632
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 5: did I know that there were thousands, maybe tens of

633
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 5: thousands or hundreds of thousands of mostly young women, Brazilian women,

634
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 5: who followed her and believed the things she said and sold.

635
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 5: And she will have those alien bags, she would call them,

636
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 5: in which she would put through stuff into a tub

637
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 5: like razor blades and stuffed animals and confetti, and said

638
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 5: that that could cure all the disease and that could

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00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 5: bring prosperity to someone, so that it was a jewel.

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00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 4: Wait wait, yeah, okay, hold on, I know razor.

641
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 5: Blades, razor blades and stuff, stuffed animals into a tub

642
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 5: with like rose patals and cologne and all of the Okay,

643
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 5: what she had, this witch persona that was funny to

644
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 5: someone who would like me, did not believe her. But

645
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 5: little did I know that some people really followed her

646
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 5: and believed the stuff she was selling.

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Speaker 1: When did you, she goes say, like, okay, wait a second,

648
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: this is crossed into another line, and therefore I'm obsessed.

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00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 5: I think that things started getting dark by early twenty

650
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 5: twenty one, when nameless people anonymously would say on the

651
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 5: Internet that followers of cat Stories were disappearing after being

652
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 5: invited by her to live with her in the US.

653
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 5: She was also selling all this mystical mumbo jumbo, but

654
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 5: she was also selling this image of self made woman

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00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 5: in the US. She had made it in the US,

656
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 5: so she had a big appeal to people. So yeah

657
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 5: that when I started reading tweets about followers of cat

658
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 5: Stories that had supposedly disappeared, then something in me shifted

659
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 5: and it was like, no, this is maybe this is

660
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,959
Speaker 5: no joke. If there is any truth to these allegations,

661
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 5: maybe we do have a serious story here, in a

662
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 5: complex story, And it turned out it was even more

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Speaker 5: complex than I could have imagined.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as a journalist and you're an investigative journalist,

665
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: there's something in you that just said, wait a second,

666
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Speaker 1: could people actually be disappearing here?

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Speaker 5: At first, on the first few days, I was like, no,

668
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 5: this is just Internet gasa, this is not But then

669
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 5: tens of Twitter profiles and then hundreds of Twitter profiles

670
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 5: would claim that they knew people who followed katories and had.

671
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 4: This appear here in the past months.

672
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 5: So then I started taking it a tet seriously and

673
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 5: started digging into the story and found out not only

674
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 5: the women had vanished from Brazil and contact with their

675
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 5: relatives had been secluded, and that I also discovered that

676
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 5: Katsori's life story and trajectory was unbelievable.

677
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 4: It was almost fictional. It looked made up.

678
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: So did kat Torres kind of represent this like an

679
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: American dream appeal? Because she's blonde, right, she's light skinned,

680
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: she's living in the US, she's making it in the

681
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: United States? Is that something that actually really appealed to people?

682
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 5: Definitely, it resonates a lot with the Brazilian youth. I

683
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 5: do think we hold the United States of America as

684
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 5: a mecca in Brazil as a place where you can

685
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 5: go to make money, you can go to get rich.

686
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 5: I mean, we're a third world country and we're not

687
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 5: even geographically close to the US. It's an eight hour flight.

688
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 5: But even with such hardships, people will try to make

689
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 5: life in the US.

690
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm kind of I'm getting the feel that

691
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: katoris represented multiple things for a lot of different people,

692
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: but specifically young women. But why do you think that

693
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: this story is going to resonate with US audiences. I

694
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: know nothing about the stories, but I'm already like, okay,

695
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: I need episode two.

696
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 5: I do think that it's a story with many universal

697
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 5: strings to touch the heart. For instance, it's a story

698
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 5: about friendship because, differently from many other true crime cases

699
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 5: I investigated, this case was solved, or was at least

700
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 5: helped to be solved by armchair detectives by friends of

701
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 5: the women who had disappeared. One of the most characters

702
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 5: in the story is Patti Bertodo, who was one of

703
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 5: the ci Freita's best friends, and her friend disappears. So

704
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 5: this woman who lives in Vancouver in Canada, but is

705
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 5: also Brazilian. Starts a big investigation to find out where

706
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 5: her friend is, and eventually this investigation is gathering thousands

707
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 5: of people, thousands of people who are at their homes

708
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 5: trying to find out whatever happened to these young women

709
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 5: who went missing, and they were successful.

710
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 3: I was asking so much to the universe to help

711
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: me to find her, just to find if she was okay.

712
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: That's when we started playing detectives ourselves.

713
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: Everybody was so involved, no one was sleeping who We're

714
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: talking twenty four hours a day.

715
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: I'm totally fascinated by Patty and I'm at the point

716
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: where she's like, wait a second. Somebody that I liked disappeared.

717
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: This is a friend of mine. I'm going to call everybody.

718
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm going to find out remember remember what

719
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: grammar school she went to to try to get in

720
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: touch with the parents. I was like, Oh, check out

721
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: this armchair investigative journalist that it's going to be unveiled right,

722
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: how important they are. Let me ask you a couple

723
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: of questions about you. She coul sure, you have been

724
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: a journalist in Brazil for about two decades. You've covered

725
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: a lot of stories. You have actually obviously hosted a

726
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: lot of podcasts in Portuguese. In Brazil. You actually you

727
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: speak really good English, clearly, but when you host a

728
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: podcast you actually have to get behind a microphone and

729
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: read a script. Look at you, you're already shaking your eyes.

730
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 4: Have no idea.

731
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 5: I was so nervous about doing this in English that

732
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 5: I just loved What did you do?

733
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: I mean faked? So you make it? It's like cats or.

734
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: Is it just how do you say that in Portuguese?

735
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 4: And we don't have it.

736
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 5: It's not a Brazilian value, so don't we don't have

737
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 5: something similar to it. So I have to learn an

738
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 5: American value, which is faked. So you make it. That

739
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 5: was my approach to it.

740
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 4: It was so hard, It was so hard.

741
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 5: You have no idea. It was the hardest job I

742
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 5: had in twenty years. I guess we're always questioning ourselves.

743
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 5: We're always as non native English speaking people were always

744
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 5: double thinking. I mean, it's such a burden. We always

745
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 5: have to think twice or three times before speaking. But

746
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 5: that also related me a lot to the people we interviewed,

747
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 5: because most of the people are not American and they

748
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 5: don't speak English as a primary language, so I guess

749
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 5: that also established a connection, and that's also in the story.

750
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 5: That's also part of the story that these people have

751
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 5: a hard time communicating with the.

752
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 4: Police in Texas.

753
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 5: For instance, they want to call the police and they

754
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 5: want to ask if their friends are okay, but they

755
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 5: do not master the language well enough to do so.

756
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 4: So that becomes part of the narrative.

757
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 5: I mean, how are you going to help someone who's

758
00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 5: in a country where you cannot communicate? Wow, Department, yesterday

759
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 5: I message because of a girl her family in Ze

760
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 5: is not able to look sorry for.

761
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 7: The person that's in charge of the investigation for those

762
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 7: three girls that are from Leander.

763
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 5: I believe her name.

764
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 8: Is kat Letitia.

765
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 3: And this aread that you're missing Brazilian girls and Leander.

766
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 8: Yeah, they are lots and all the leading social media

767
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 8: right now.

768
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 4: It's a really scary.

769
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, let me go ahead and get the

770
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: Senate has to to give you a call.

771
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, And this is happening in the state of Texas.

772
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 4: Yes, okay.

773
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 5: They had tens of calls a day asking about missing

774
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 5: young women and I don't know if the calls were

775
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 5: quite taken seriously enough, had been one call from an

776
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 5: American citizen asking about the whereabouts of an American citizen,

777
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 5: maybe the Texan police or the Leander police would have

778
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 5: dealt in a different way.

779
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm also wondering what it was like for you to

780
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: get really deep into doing a story that looks into

781
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: the power of online influencers, because you know that's how

782
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: it starts out. You're like, look, we're gonna talk about

783
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: online influencers, and you're like, I'm not a critic because

784
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: I am one myself.

785
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 5: I'm the first person to point at myself and say

786
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 5: I won't be a hypocrite. I'm doing it myself. I'm

787
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 5: making money out of the Internet. But we're all selling lice.

788
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 5: Every influencer is a salesperson of lives. I know that's

789
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 5: a harsh Yeah, I know that's a harsh take, but

790
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 5: that's what I've learned from not only this story. I've

791
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 5: been covering the Internet for ten years or so, and

792
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 5: I do think it's time for us to actually discuss

793
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 5: what social media is and the parasocial relations and the

794
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 5: kind of relations we nourish online right because they are

795
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 5: putting us in danger. Not only danger, of being kidnapped

796
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 5: or trafficked, like it happens in this story. This story

797
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 5: is like a peculiar case. I mean, it's the worst

798
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 5: that could happen if you start following the wrong person online.

799
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 5: But I do think we're being scammed all the time

800
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 5: by influencers.

801
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's this thing that happens, let's say, like

802
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: on Instagram, where you really feel like you're close to

803
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: the person who you're watching online, right, And those of

804
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: us who are doing this, like you or myself, actually

805
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: part of what we try to do is to show

806
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: our more real side of ourselves. And so I'm wondering

807
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: how did that part of the story come up for

808
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: you when you were working on a story about a

809
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: social media influencer who obviously took it to a whole

810
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: other level.

811
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 5: I mean, it made me look a little bit at

812
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 5: myself and my life and rethink some things. For instance,

813
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 5: I'm going to get a little personal now. I'm going

814
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 5: through a divorce after a fifteen year old marriage. I'm

815
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 5: so sorry. Yeah it's okay. I mean, O, we're good,

816
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 5: we're friends, were we're transitioning into something else. But I

817
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 5: haven't said that online. And I get people asking me

818
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 5: every day, where is your husband?

819
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 4: Why?

820
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 5: Why aren't you showing your husband anymore? Are you divorced?

821
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 5: Whatever's happening in that actually hurts me. Every time I

822
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 5: get a message of someone asking are you getting a divorce?

823
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 5: Are you no longer together? I get hurt and I

824
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 5: have to intentionally and rationally remind myself that I showed

825
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 5: my life to these people, so they feel entired, They

826
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 5: feel like as if they are my friends. So they're

827
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 5: not being brude or anything. They're talking to an imaginary friend.

828
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 5: So I sort of created this whole situation, and now

829
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 5: I don't get to suffer from it because I was

830
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 5: the one who led these people to believe they were

831
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 5: close enough to me to ask me if I'm getting

832
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 5: a divorce. Because I was the one showing my life

833
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 5: for three hundred and fifty people, I have to take

834
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 5: accountability for what I've done in the past few years.

835
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: Three hundred and fifty thousand people. Yeah, you said three

836
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people, fifty.

837
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 5: Wish I wish, and fifty people that would be that

838
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 5: would be easy to manage.

839
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: So I want to say, going back to episode one,

840
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 1: I loved the you know something's going to be uncovered.

841
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: What's going to be uncovered. But something that stuck with

842
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: me was when the neighbor, the Texas neighbor, says, well,

843
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, here, we just say hello to everybody, we wave,

844
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: and then we don't really interact a whole lot after that.

845
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: But he said that when he waved at the women

846
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: who were living with Catoris in this mansion, that they

847
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: didn't wave back. And that is the part where I'm like, what.

848
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 5: Is Something's funky y weird, right, that's not Presilian at all.

849
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 5: You could go to jail for not waving back in Brazil.

850
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 5: That's a falony. That's a felony.

851
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: So okay, you're not going to do a spoiler alert,

852
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: but I mean, give me a hint. What were they drugged?

853
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: Were they warned that they could not interact with the

854
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: outside world.

855
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 5: They were really under the influence of someone who they

856
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 5: met on Instagram. They were beyond the influence. I mean,

857
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 5: they would follow each and every word of this person

858
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 5: they had chosen to follow. So maybe Paris who are

859
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 5: answered without spoiling the narrative.

860
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: So anybody who's listening will just be like, Okay, well,

861
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to look up she goes. Also, I'm going

862
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: to look up Cat Torris, and if you look up

863
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: Cat Torris you will see, okay, something of a spoiler

864
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: alert here she is in a federal prison in Brazil.

865
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: So I don't want to know that part of it.

866
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: We're going to figure out how that ends up happening.

867
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: And by the way, is a Cat Torres or is

868
00:51:59,120 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: a cat?

869
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 5: How we would say catch catchy because we always end

870
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 5: with a knee Catci Dorris catchys.

871
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 4: So, so have you been in touch with Catchy?

872
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 5: I've been with her family and her lawyers. She keeps

873
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 5: on changing lawyers. And they weren't against this investigation. They

874
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 5: weren't against the first version of the podcast that was

875
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 5: published almost two years.

876
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 4: Ago in Brazil. They didn't oppose to it.

877
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: Oh, but give us some highlights about what we can expect,

878
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: and this way we can tantalize our listeners to go

879
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: and download Don't Cross Cat, which is how we're calling

880
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: the podcast here in the United States. So give us

881
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of a hint of what we can expect.

882
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 5: Sure, I think there are two major narratives in this podcast.

883
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 5: The first one is the power of a friendship. Paddy

884
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 5: Berthold with this terrific young woman from Brazil who starts

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Speaker 5: an investigation to find out where her friend who disappeared is.

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Speaker 5: There's also a deep profile on cat Tourist to find

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Speaker 5: out how can someone who came from poverty, who came

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Speaker 5: DiCaprio and ended up making.

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Speaker 4: It in America.

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Speaker 5: She is the personification of the American dream and it

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Speaker 5: wasn't easy getting there, as it's not easy for any

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Speaker 5: of us Latino to make it in the US, and

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Speaker 5: she did make it in the US prior to being

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Speaker 5: accused of crimes. So there's the fascinating story of this

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Speaker 5: person who came from nothing, from rags to riches. And

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Speaker 5: there's also the story that follows of two friends who fight.

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Speaker 4: For each other.

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Speaker 5: So yeahs, buy one, get one free.

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Speaker 1: I am so glad she could that you became obsessed

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Speaker 1: with this story because of course all of Brazil has

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Speaker 1: heard your podcast and now we get to hear it

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Speaker 1: here in the United States. And tonsas muta brigada for

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Speaker 1: your work and for bringing us this wonderful podcast.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so thank you very much, Mada.

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Speaker 1: That's it for today. The episode you Heard from Don't

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Speaker 1: Cross Cat was hosted by Shiko Filiti. Fernanda Chawari was

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Speaker 1: the senior producer Andres Cavairo was the producer. Don't Cross

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Speaker 1: Cat is a production of Wondery and Futuro Studios. Sound

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Speaker 1: design and mixing by Stephanie Lebau, Production assistants by Giovanna

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Speaker 1: Romano Sanchez and Ottavio Bomfa. Fact checking by Zoe Sullivan.

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Speaker 1: Executive producers for Futuro Studios for Marlon Bishop and Maria Garcia.

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Speaker 1: Executive producers for are Russell Finch, George Lavender, Marshall Louis

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Speaker 1: and Jen Sergent. On the production management side, Jessica Ellis

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Speaker 1: and Nancy Trujillo for Futuro, and Heather Bologa for wonder Now.

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Speaker 1: For our weekly Latino USA show. The rest of our

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Speaker 1: team includes Roxanna Guire, Julia Caruso, Felicia ro Miguez, Victoria Strada,

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Speaker 1: Dominiquine Strosa, Renaldo Lanos Junior, Andrea Lopez Cruzado Greece, Luna

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Speaker 1: Marta Martinez, Dasha Sandoval, Nursaudi and JJ Carubin, Bennie Ramirez,

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Speaker 1: Marlon Bishop, Marie Gracia and I are co executive producers

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Speaker 1: and I'm your host, Brienno Posa. Join us again on

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Speaker 1: our next episode. In the meantime, I'll see you on

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Speaker 1: social media and as always, Chao xigo no te bayaz.

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Speaker 4: Latino USA is made possible in part by the Ford Foundation,

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Speaker 4: working with visionaries on the front lines of social change worldwide,

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Speaker 4: the John D. And Catherine T.

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Speaker 3: MacArthur Foundation, and the Heising Simons Foundation, unlocking knowledge, opportunity

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Speaker 3: and possibilities.

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