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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Friday, February sixth, and we want to get

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Speaker 2: to write to a number of significant updates in the

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Speaker 2: country that is in the story that's captivating in the country,

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Speaker 2: the search for Nancy Guthrie. Welcome to this episode of

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Speaker 2: Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 1: Robe.

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Speaker 2: There is a list of updates we need to get to.

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Speaker 2: And again, we have been doing several updates Robes on

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Speaker 2: this story. And we're traveling right now. And we were

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Speaker 2: out with a group last night, a big crowd of

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Speaker 2: folks and was it not the first thing everything everybody

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Speaker 2: said to us when we we came up to us.

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Speaker 3: It was absolutely the talk of the party. We were there.

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Speaker 4: We're here in San Francisco for the Super Bowl, and

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Speaker 4: so yeah, lots of folks you'd think would be talking

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Speaker 4: about sports and talking about the parties that they got

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Speaker 4: invited to or how they're covering. No, the conversation from

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Speaker 4: each group of people we talked to was all about

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Speaker 4: missing Nancy Guthrie.

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't just a quick question. I mean, if

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Speaker 2: they had questions for us, they know we're covering it.

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Speaker 2: But Robes extended conversations. We only mentioned this to say, Robes,

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Speaker 2: these are conversations obviously that are going on everywhere.

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Speaker 1: This is such a mystery.

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Speaker 2: And now here we are almost a full week since

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Speaker 2: someone has seen this woman in the mystery continues. The

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Speaker 2: updates we want to get you can get to you

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Speaker 2: are several. First of all, there has been a rest,

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Speaker 2: but not in the case of her abduction, hoax ransom notes.

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Speaker 2: We were worried about this. We'll get into that. Also

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Speaker 2: still saying no suspects. Also, we got an update on

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Speaker 2: that blood, the pictures you've been seeing of the blood

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Speaker 2: on the front porch of her home. Update about that. Also,

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Speaker 2: they passed along to us a deadline robes at least one,

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Speaker 2: and one of these ransom notes has come and gone.

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Speaker 2: There's an update about cash Ptel, the FBI director getting

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Speaker 2: out there, And we got.

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Speaker 1: An update on the timeline.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even sure which one of these things stands out,

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Speaker 2: but let's start with I guess the arrest robes. We

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Speaker 2: were worried something like this might happen. There might be more,

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Speaker 2: but they have arrested a California man for trying to

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Speaker 2: in the middle of this tragedy, ropes, trying to extort

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Speaker 2: cash from this family.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and The interesting thing is this is not police separated.

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Speaker 4: This isn't the ransom note that we heard about specifically

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Speaker 4: given to the local affiliate and then to TMZ.

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Speaker 3: This actually, police say came.

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Speaker 4: After correct, the gu three siblings went and made that

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Speaker 4: plea for the would be abductor to contact them so

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Speaker 4: that they could start talking. So this impostor took that

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Speaker 4: opportunity and found I believe the cell phone numbers of

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Speaker 4: Savannah's sister and brother in law and found some of

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Speaker 4: their personal information and reached out to them and demanded

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Speaker 4: money through bitcoin.

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Speaker 2: Is that's so good? This wasn't a ransom note. This

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Speaker 2: was a ransom demand that came in via text. It

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Speaker 2: seems like you said the word opportunity. Isn't it wild

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Speaker 2: that someone we're looking at it as a tragedy. Somebody

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Speaker 2: actually looked, Wow, there's an opportunity for me here.

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Speaker 4: And I hope they throw the book at him. He

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Speaker 4: has been charged criminally, thank goodness, and he should be Uh, Derek,

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Speaker 4: I think it's kaya.

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Speaker 1: Well was his age again?

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Speaker 2: But he's twenty seven thirty fairly young, yes, young man,

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Speaker 2: but yes, he has been charged. So that arrest has

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Speaker 2: taken place. Another update we want to give you is that.

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Speaker 2: And this is maybe the most important one. Roabes and

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Speaker 2: I kind of glanced over this one, is that there's

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Speaker 2: another plea from the family forgot to mention the brother

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Speaker 2: of Savannah Guthrie. Another video has come out. His was

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Speaker 2: much shorter, but Robes, I think this one was pretty

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Speaker 2: significant in what he was saying. He's essentially saying, we

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Speaker 2: actually don't believe we have talked or heard from the

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Speaker 2: actual kidnapper. Wrote his video said to me, more than anything,

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Speaker 2: maybe they don't believe a ransom has anything to do

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they it's it's It was a short twenty seconds, yes,

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Speaker 4: twenty one second. Savannah posted it onto her Instagram. It

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Speaker 4: was her brother Cameron, and it was notable and that

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Speaker 4: he It seems as though it was timed to coincide

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Speaker 4: with that first deadline from one of the ransom notes.

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Speaker 4: The police told us that there was a five pm

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Speaker 4: local Thursday deadline, and that's exactly when Savannah posted this

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Speaker 3: And that's not coincidental. That was deliberate.

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Speaker 4: They were like, this is basically, you know, they were

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Speaker 4: honoring this deadline that was put into this ransom note, saying,

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Speaker 4: please let us know what you want talk to us.

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Speaker 2: His quote here again it was only twenty one seconds,

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Speaker 2: no bagdrop, staying against I think it's a plain white

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Speaker 2: wall in a corner, said we want to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: We haven't heard anything directly. We want you to reach out.

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Speaker 2: We need a way to communicate with you so we

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Speaker 2: can move forward, but first we have to know that you.

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Speaker 2: We have our mom, we want to talk to you,

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Speaker 2: and we are waiting for contact robes. They can't entertain

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Speaker 2: all of this shit because obviously now already someone has

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Speaker 2: So now they're begging for confirmation, a proof of life,

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Speaker 2: and in today's technology, that's harder to do.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And I just you look at it, and typically

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Speaker 4: you would think, not that there's a typical kidnapping situation,

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Speaker 4: but I would just believe most of us, using common sense,

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Speaker 4: would think that the pleading or the communication would be

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Speaker 3: The other side.

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Speaker 4: They would be making demands, they would be reaching out,

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Speaker 4: they would be getting specific and so to have not

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Speaker 4: heard from them after these ransom notes showed up. Doesn't

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Speaker 4: give a lot of faith into that concept or into

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Speaker 4: that theory that that may be what.

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Speaker 1: Is going on.

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Speaker 2: One of the FBI guys was up at the press

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Speaker 2: conference yesterday and he said it best and Robes, it was.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was jarring to hear him say it.

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Speaker 2: It's common sense. But if there is a demand for money,

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Speaker 2: you want your money. You're not sitting around for a week,

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Speaker 2: not engaging. You want your money. This is just not around.

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Speaker 2: He said it in such a way that makes you go, Okay,

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Speaker 2: of course, this isn't a ransom situation.

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Speaker 4: Right, And look it's not like, oh, I just want

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Speaker 4: to spend a few more moments with eighty four year

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Speaker 4: old Nancy Guthrie, who needs medication, who needs constant care.

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Speaker 4: That's not something that would be advantageous for a kidnapper

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Speaker 4: would want to get rid of their hostage as soon

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Speaker 1: You don't sit around.

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Speaker 2: You don't kidnap somebody and just sit and let them

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Speaker 2: sweat it out for a week. He said it in

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Speaker 2: such a way, Robes, They're like, oh, okay, obviously this

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Speaker 2: is because he doesn't sound like they believe. But after

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Speaker 2: all this and all this talk of ransom notes, robes,

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Speaker 2: they don't believe they've gotten a legitimate one yet. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so that means, quite frankly ropes, there's no ransom. So

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Speaker 2: where is Nancy and why was she taken out of

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Speaker 2: that home? It? Now they have to be you have

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Speaker 2: to focus on what has to be a different theory

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Speaker 2: than a ransom and a kidnapping.

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Speaker 4: Correct, And that's why I think this timeline that they

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Speaker 4: released was really, really, really interesting. It certainly piquked our interest,

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Speaker 4: and we got this and we'll explain why. So police

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Speaker 4: are now able to say that, yes, Nancy was dropped

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Speaker 4: off by a family member around the exact time they

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Speaker 2: Now you you saw something else. I only saw a

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Speaker 2: family member. But you're do have they said officially who

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Speaker 2: dropped her off?

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Speaker 3: Look, I don't know that because there have been so

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Speaker 4: I just know some reports are suggesting which family member

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Speaker 4: dropped her, but a.

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Speaker 2: Not more than one. So she went one on one.

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Speaker 2: Only one person saw her last? Is that effect?

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Speaker 3: It sounds like that is correct. Yes, we do know

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Speaker 3: for sure. That she was at Annie and Tomaso. Is

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Speaker 3: that you say his name, Tomaso Tomaso.

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Speaker 4: At their home having dinner and playing card games. Because

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Speaker 4: they actually even spoke to the uber driver who took

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Speaker 4: her there, and he was very cooperative with police, they said,

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Speaker 4: just explaining that she said she was going to her

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Speaker 4: families for dinner and card games, so they know that's true.

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Speaker 4: At nine forty eight, the garage door opens. At nine

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Speaker 4: point fifty, the garage door closes.

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Speaker 2: That is so interesting to me because that says Nancy

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Speaker 2: Guthrie's home and safe for the night.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And that is what Tamaso told police that they

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Speaker 4: reported this, that he said, I made sure she got

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Speaker 4: saw her. So there you go, right, And then here's

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Speaker 4: where it gets really interesting. At one forty seven am,

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Speaker 4: there is motion detected by a camera. It could have

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Speaker 4: been animal, it could have been our human, it could

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Speaker 4: have been but it was some movement.

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Speaker 3: And the problem is apparently Nancy.

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Speaker 4: Guthrie didn't subscribe, so there was no way of reviewing

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Speaker 4: that video. It just went out into the ether. It

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Speaker 4: was not recorded, and then at two twenty eight am,

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Speaker 4: that is when her pacemaker disconnected from the app. So

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Speaker 4: the one seven am doorbell can being disconnected and the

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Speaker 4: two twelve motion detection by something, those two things seem

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Speaker 2: And he was the one that brought up, not us.

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Speaker 2: The share made the point to say, oh, no, it

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Speaker 2: could have been an animal. That's a hell of a

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Speaker 2: coincidence that when all these other weird things are going

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Speaker 2: there's motion at the front porch, and the pacemaker's disconnected

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Speaker 2: in forty five minutes. Tough to say those oddities, aren't you.

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Speaker 4: You've got to believe, just from a common sense standpoint,

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Speaker 4: that those are all related. And that is when she

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Speaker 4: was taken. And the interesting thing is, because obviously we've

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Speaker 4: gone through all of these possible theories about what could

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Speaker 4: have happened to Nancy Guthrie, but to know that her

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Speaker 4: pacemaker was still connected until two twenty eight that would

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Speaker 4: suggest she was alive at two twenty eight am, and

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Speaker 4: that's the last bit of information we have about her condition.

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Speaker 2: This makes no sense that an eighty four year old

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Speaker 2: woman is safe at home at ten o'clock at night.

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Speaker 2: Why is she disturbed again? Why did somebody go back

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Speaker 2: to that house? What in God's name has happened to

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Speaker 2: this one?

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Speaker 3: Yes? And how? And why is their blood on her front?

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Speaker 1: Corse?

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Speaker 3: Blood drops it?

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Speaker 4: Finally look, we saw them and finally police confirmed it

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Speaker 4: is Nancy Guthrie's blood. So we don't know what they

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Speaker 4: found inside the home. We don't know if there was

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Speaker 4: blood inside the home, if there was a significant amount

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Speaker 4: of blood inside the home. We only know that they

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Speaker 4: said they believe she was harmed when she was taken,

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Speaker 4: and they said that what they saw at that scene

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Speaker 4: was gravely concerning the scene, meaning the home en roads.

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Speaker 2: We look those images now, that blood in the front

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Speaker 2: has been everywhere. We're not talking about a couple of

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Speaker 3: Apparently he is going to Tucson.

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Speaker 4: I am so sorry if I just massacred his name.

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Speaker 4: But Heath, we can call him Heath. He said that

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Speaker 4: the trip that Cash Bettel is taking to Tucson is

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Speaker 3: I will quote him.

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Speaker 4: He does have a trip schedule to Tucson that was

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Speaker 4: There has been criticism once it was announced that cash

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Speaker 3: He is doing this for his own look at me,

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Speaker 4: He inserts himself into high profile cases and actually takes

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Speaker 1: This is his.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what he says in front of a

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Speaker 2: He's done this repeatedly. Robes put out information significant to

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Speaker 1: We can't trust him on this case. Robes.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have to actually get a second source.

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Speaker 4: Let's look into this because it's been twice now in it.

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Speaker 3: He's even the Charlie Kirk assassination.

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Speaker 4: Wrong.

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Speaker 2: That's tough, and look I am not we're not the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, if it were your family member, you

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Speaker 2: now we appreciate you listening. As always, I am TJ.

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