1 00:00:15,371 --> 00:00:15,931 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:21,331 --> 00:00:24,090 Speaker 2: This series includes content that may not be suitable for 3 00:00:24,131 --> 00:00:29,771 Speaker 2: all listeners. Listener and discretion is advised. Previously on Valley of. 4 00:00:29,771 --> 00:00:37,251 Speaker 3: Shadows, major players were never touched by Deputy Ingles. Nothing 5 00:00:37,251 --> 00:00:40,611 Speaker 3: ever happened to them that raised a red flag to me. 6 00:00:42,091 --> 00:00:47,131 Speaker 4: I went up the guy talking Tom Hinkle the purchase 7 00:00:47,211 --> 00:00:48,291 Speaker 4: of metaphetamines. 8 00:00:48,491 --> 00:00:49,411 Speaker 5: When I went to the. 9 00:00:49,371 --> 00:00:53,491 Speaker 4: Other room, I've heard how they're going, Ingles talk said, 10 00:00:53,691 --> 00:00:58,251 Speaker 4: and Ingles goes, thanks for the bag of ride. 11 00:00:57,251 --> 00:01:00,491 Speaker 6: You're asking to believes a Deputy Ingles another unidentified individual's 12 00:01:00,571 --> 00:01:03,291 Speaker 6: murdered deputy ology to prevent him from arresting him or 13 00:01:03,291 --> 00:01:04,731 Speaker 6: exposing their crewal activity. 14 00:01:05,491 --> 00:01:09,890 Speaker 3: A homicide captain saying, detective, do not find out if 15 00:01:09,890 --> 00:01:13,090 Speaker 3: this guy's guilty or innocent. Who does that? 16 00:01:14,211 --> 00:01:15,890 Speaker 6: When they said, hey, Larry, we're ordered to go out 17 00:01:15,891 --> 00:01:17,331 Speaker 6: here and get everything and get in the case. 18 00:01:25,331 --> 00:01:28,011 Speaker 3: He can't beat a morning like this. Just sit here 19 00:01:28,051 --> 00:01:30,691 Speaker 3: and watch that some come up between the canyon right there. 20 00:01:32,211 --> 00:01:33,131 Speaker 3: It is beautiful. 21 00:01:35,811 --> 00:01:39,931 Speaker 1: Retired narcotics detective Darren Hager works sun up to sundown 22 00:01:40,051 --> 00:01:44,411 Speaker 1: at his ranch in rural California. Every morning, he fuels 23 00:01:44,491 --> 00:01:47,811 Speaker 1: up on black coffee, puts on his spurs and heads 24 00:01:47,811 --> 00:01:51,651 Speaker 1: out to his pastures. He tends his herd of angus 25 00:01:51,691 --> 00:01:55,171 Speaker 1: cows and then drives around servicing other cattle ranches in 26 00:01:55,211 --> 00:01:59,851 Speaker 1: the area. His days are fairly routine, except when we 27 00:01:59,891 --> 00:02:03,011 Speaker 1: show up. I will straight up hug a cow if 28 00:02:03,011 --> 00:02:03,651 Speaker 1: it gets lisn't it? 29 00:02:04,451 --> 00:02:05,651 Speaker 7: Oh, there's stepping back. 30 00:02:06,091 --> 00:02:07,091 Speaker 2: They're sizing us up. 31 00:02:08,571 --> 00:02:11,410 Speaker 1: I thought when five years of being a vegetarian would 32 00:02:11,490 --> 00:02:15,171 Speaker 1: earn me some love with the cows, but apparently not. 33 00:02:16,451 --> 00:02:18,731 Speaker 1: Hagar lets us tag along with him anyway. 34 00:02:19,611 --> 00:02:24,371 Speaker 3: So this alfalf has supposedly sweeter than the grass and stuff. 35 00:02:24,371 --> 00:02:25,930 Speaker 3: That's why they like it. I mean, they got plenty 36 00:02:25,931 --> 00:02:28,971 Speaker 3: of grass, but they dislike this stuff. 37 00:02:29,131 --> 00:02:30,811 Speaker 2: You're giving them a special treat. 38 00:02:31,491 --> 00:02:33,411 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're a little spoiled. 39 00:02:35,411 --> 00:02:38,691 Speaker 1: The cows keep their distance, hogling us with their big 40 00:02:38,731 --> 00:02:43,091 Speaker 1: glassy eyes. So Hagar teaches us cattle calling one oh one. 41 00:02:44,131 --> 00:02:44,771 Speaker 3: Like talk cow? 42 00:02:45,651 --> 00:02:46,931 Speaker 7: Okay, how do you talk cow? 43 00:02:47,291 --> 00:02:49,131 Speaker 3: I got a buddy. He's a stumpman in the movies. 44 00:02:49,131 --> 00:02:53,211 Speaker 3: On his herd, he sings, Mama, don't let your babies 45 00:02:53,211 --> 00:02:55,931 Speaker 3: grow up to do cawoys. Okay his animals count. 46 00:02:56,091 --> 00:03:00,371 Speaker 2: No, I don't mother, don't a babies grow up to 47 00:03:00,411 --> 00:03:01,690 Speaker 2: be cowboys. 48 00:03:02,011 --> 00:03:04,411 Speaker 3: His herd comes running when he sings that, and he's 49 00:03:04,451 --> 00:03:07,970 Speaker 3: a goofball. Anyways, God, that didn't work on them. 50 00:03:08,251 --> 00:03:09,091 Speaker 1: They're all a good try. 51 00:03:09,971 --> 00:03:11,210 Speaker 3: So then mine I just. 52 00:03:11,171 --> 00:03:11,531 Speaker 8: Knew, like. 53 00:03:16,091 --> 00:03:18,251 Speaker 2: Hi, budess, we got a taker. 54 00:03:21,811 --> 00:03:24,650 Speaker 1: Hagar always wanted to be a cop or a cowboy, 55 00:03:25,171 --> 00:03:27,331 Speaker 1: so when his career in law enforcement ended in two 56 00:03:27,331 --> 00:03:29,090 Speaker 1: thousand and three, he pivoted. 57 00:03:30,211 --> 00:03:33,331 Speaker 3: We met some cowboys here and they got me started 58 00:03:33,331 --> 00:03:35,171 Speaker 3: in cowboy and got a job at the home ranch. 59 00:03:36,091 --> 00:03:39,251 Speaker 3: Worked there for a year, learned a lot. Now I 60 00:03:39,331 --> 00:03:40,731 Speaker 3: raised my own cattle and horses. 61 00:03:42,811 --> 00:03:45,811 Speaker 1: It was a steep learning curve with plenty of setbacks. 62 00:03:47,891 --> 00:03:50,451 Speaker 1: But when Hagar gets knocked down, he gets back up 63 00:03:50,491 --> 00:03:53,771 Speaker 1: on that horse. It's something he had to do a lot. 64 00:03:53,851 --> 00:03:57,731 Speaker 1: While working at the La County Sheriff's Department, Hagar says 65 00:03:57,931 --> 00:04:02,171 Speaker 1: they tried to hamstring the DEA's narcotic sting aka Operation 66 00:04:02,331 --> 00:04:05,811 Speaker 1: Silent Thunder, and they set up all kinds of roadblocks 67 00:04:05,851 --> 00:04:07,091 Speaker 1: in their Aujay investigation. 68 00:04:08,571 --> 00:04:11,171 Speaker 3: We knew from day want that department was fighting us 69 00:04:11,251 --> 00:04:14,371 Speaker 3: on everything on this. They didn't want us opening the 70 00:04:14,451 --> 00:04:15,931 Speaker 3: right door to get this case solved. 71 00:04:18,611 --> 00:04:22,251 Speaker 1: Early on, the DEA asked the Sheriff's Department to assign 72 00:04:22,251 --> 00:04:25,450 Speaker 1: a homicide detective to their task force to help field 73 00:04:25,491 --> 00:04:28,491 Speaker 1: all the AUJ tips they were getting. When the LASD 74 00:04:28,611 --> 00:04:35,091 Speaker 1: said no, Hagar found a workaround. He unofficially teamed up 75 00:04:35,131 --> 00:04:38,531 Speaker 1: with homicide Detective Larry Brandenburg. They had a good thing 76 00:04:38,611 --> 00:04:42,211 Speaker 1: going until Brandenburg told his captain that he was looking 77 00:04:42,251 --> 00:04:46,211 Speaker 1: into Deputy Rick Engles as a potential suspect in Auj's murder. 78 00:04:46,731 --> 00:04:51,450 Speaker 1: In Brandenburg's investigation got shut down, Hager wasn't too surprised 79 00:04:51,491 --> 00:04:52,171 Speaker 1: when it happened. 80 00:04:53,451 --> 00:04:55,531 Speaker 3: It just fit hand in hand with everything we knew. 81 00:04:55,531 --> 00:04:59,971 Speaker 3: Everything we did with the department regarding AUJ was getting shut. 82 00:04:59,731 --> 00:05:05,051 Speaker 1: Down Without Brandenburg, Hagar finds himself at a crossroads. 83 00:05:06,291 --> 00:05:09,171 Speaker 3: I just said, I gotta get out. This is this 84 00:05:09,291 --> 00:05:15,731 Speaker 3: is stupid. You know what am I doing? But I've 85 00:05:15,971 --> 00:05:18,731 Speaker 3: never quit anything in my life, and I felt I 86 00:05:18,811 --> 00:05:22,651 Speaker 3: was quitting AUDJ if I left the case. Because when 87 00:05:22,690 --> 00:05:25,011 Speaker 3: you sit there and you think about a fellow deputy, 88 00:05:25,571 --> 00:05:29,010 Speaker 3: who's your family, who has a little child, that's the 89 00:05:29,051 --> 00:05:32,731 Speaker 3: hardest part about the whole thing. Or Chloe, she didn't 90 00:05:32,731 --> 00:05:35,331 Speaker 3: have a dad anymore, and why was that? Well, that's 91 00:05:35,331 --> 00:05:38,451 Speaker 3: my job as a cop to help people like that. 92 00:05:38,451 --> 00:05:41,451 Speaker 3: That's why we all take the oath. We're not out 93 00:05:41,451 --> 00:05:43,811 Speaker 3: there just taking bad guys to jail. We're taking bad 94 00:05:43,851 --> 00:05:47,090 Speaker 3: guys to jail to help an innocent person out. That's 95 00:05:47,251 --> 00:05:53,491 Speaker 3: the whole objective of this. I had a choice career survival, 96 00:05:54,091 --> 00:05:58,211 Speaker 3: walk away, or do I put myself aside and I 97 00:05:58,331 --> 00:06:02,091 Speaker 3: do it for John? When I went with John. 98 00:06:05,051 --> 00:06:08,331 Speaker 1: So, Hagar gets back in the saddle and helps Operation 99 00:06:08,531 --> 00:06:13,371 Speaker 1: Silent Thunder level up with wire taps, federal search warrants, 100 00:06:14,011 --> 00:06:17,971 Speaker 1: and the biggest drug raid the Antelope Valley had ever seen. 101 00:06:22,091 --> 00:06:23,371 Speaker 1: I'm Haley Fox. 102 00:06:23,451 --> 00:06:33,371 Speaker 2: I'm Bessy Shepherd, and this is Valley of Shadows, episode six, 103 00:06:34,171 --> 00:06:41,811 Speaker 2: the big takedown. Up until this point, we've mostly talked 104 00:06:41,811 --> 00:06:45,051 Speaker 2: about Operation Silent Thunder as it relates to the Auja case, 105 00:06:45,811 --> 00:06:49,330 Speaker 2: but the task force went far beyond that. Its aim 106 00:06:49,491 --> 00:06:53,611 Speaker 2: was to take down six major drug trafficking organizations in 107 00:06:53,651 --> 00:06:54,690 Speaker 2: the Anaelote Valley. 108 00:06:55,731 --> 00:06:57,770 Speaker 9: I really had no idea what was going on in 109 00:06:57,771 --> 00:07:00,570 Speaker 9: Anelope Valley. Hadn't really heard of Anelote Valley. 110 00:07:01,571 --> 00:07:04,890 Speaker 2: This is DEA Special Agent Kent Bailey talking on the 111 00:07:04,891 --> 00:07:05,611 Speaker 2: phone with Haley. 112 00:07:06,251 --> 00:07:08,931 Speaker 9: I've never been up to Anelote Valley. Never had a 113 00:07:08,971 --> 00:07:10,411 Speaker 9: desire to go up to Anlo Valley? 114 00:07:11,051 --> 00:07:14,331 Speaker 1: What were your first impressions like once you start going 115 00:07:14,331 --> 00:07:14,691 Speaker 1: out there? 116 00:07:15,931 --> 00:07:16,651 Speaker 9: What a shit hole? 117 00:07:18,491 --> 00:07:19,571 Speaker 7: What a shithole? 118 00:07:20,611 --> 00:07:23,491 Speaker 2: Can't Bailey's opinion of the Anlo Valley did not improve 119 00:07:23,531 --> 00:07:26,971 Speaker 2: with time, and he'd get his fill of it thanks 120 00:07:26,971 --> 00:07:29,731 Speaker 2: to Darren Hager, who roped him into all of this 121 00:07:29,971 --> 00:07:31,931 Speaker 2: when he requested dea assistance. 122 00:07:33,891 --> 00:07:36,491 Speaker 3: Can't we go? You need a fuel air explosion over 123 00:07:36,611 --> 00:07:39,451 Speaker 3: the whole Analote Valley and this problem would be solved 124 00:07:40,211 --> 00:07:41,371 Speaker 3: because it was that bad. 125 00:07:42,611 --> 00:07:43,131 Speaker 7: Sure enough. 126 00:07:43,971 --> 00:07:45,891 Speaker 9: What's your answer to the anel belly? I said, a 127 00:07:45,931 --> 00:07:46,971 Speaker 9: fuel air explosion. 128 00:07:48,251 --> 00:07:52,891 Speaker 2: It sounds callous, but Bailey is referencing an apocalyptic nineties movie. 129 00:07:53,491 --> 00:07:56,771 Speaker 9: There's a movie Outbreak, What dusta Hoffin is it? 130 00:07:57,691 --> 00:08:00,771 Speaker 2: Outbreak is about a deadly virus and the US government's 131 00:08:00,811 --> 00:08:03,451 Speaker 2: plan to contain it by bombing the site of the 132 00:08:03,491 --> 00:08:05,171 Speaker 2: outbreak from. 133 00:08:04,931 --> 00:08:07,051 Speaker 5: The heart of a small California town. 134 00:08:07,211 --> 00:08:09,011 Speaker 2: Damn it, Sam, I want to say, these people saying 135 00:08:09,011 --> 00:08:12,531 Speaker 2: with you to the dinner Circle of power, the greatest 136 00:08:12,571 --> 00:08:14,011 Speaker 2: medical crisis of all time. 137 00:08:14,171 --> 00:08:15,331 Speaker 5: We can't stop them. 138 00:08:15,531 --> 00:08:21,531 Speaker 2: Begins Malee is being hyperbolic to convey how bad things 139 00:08:21,571 --> 00:08:24,771 Speaker 2: were in the Anilo Valley with its high speed biker math, 140 00:08:25,051 --> 00:08:29,691 Speaker 2: crime and corruption. But when Operation Silent Thunder gets going, 141 00:08:30,211 --> 00:08:32,651 Speaker 2: Hagar and Bailey try to clean up the place with 142 00:08:32,731 --> 00:08:34,131 Speaker 2: a more targeted approach. 143 00:08:35,170 --> 00:08:39,530 Speaker 3: We would go out on surveillance, driving around, taking pictures 144 00:08:39,571 --> 00:08:44,051 Speaker 3: of locations, calling up aero burero, doing fly buys, doing 145 00:08:44,090 --> 00:08:48,210 Speaker 3: aerial photos. A lot of it was just groundwork. It 146 00:08:48,371 --> 00:08:51,691 Speaker 3: was building the information up for arrest. 147 00:08:52,491 --> 00:08:54,530 Speaker 9: So we did a lot of intel gathering sort of 148 00:08:54,530 --> 00:08:56,771 Speaker 9: speak to try to find out a suspect list of 149 00:08:56,891 --> 00:08:59,651 Speaker 9: who we could go to find out the weakest linking 150 00:08:59,651 --> 00:09:02,210 Speaker 9: that chain, and then start targeting to work back up 151 00:09:02,251 --> 00:09:02,771 Speaker 9: to the top. 152 00:09:04,011 --> 00:09:06,170 Speaker 2: They work their way up the food chain of the 153 00:09:06,210 --> 00:09:10,491 Speaker 2: area's narcotic cells, from dealers to cooks, go betweens, and 154 00:09:10,530 --> 00:09:14,851 Speaker 2: eventually the top dogs. Over time, their suspect list grows 155 00:09:14,891 --> 00:09:19,290 Speaker 2: into the triple digits. Bailey says Operation Silent Thunder was 156 00:09:19,330 --> 00:09:22,211 Speaker 2: one of the biggest projects he ever worked on, and 157 00:09:22,290 --> 00:09:24,690 Speaker 2: he was known in the LA Field office for getting 158 00:09:24,690 --> 00:09:28,331 Speaker 2: things done. His boss at the DEA even had a 159 00:09:28,410 --> 00:09:29,331 Speaker 2: nickname for him. 160 00:09:29,891 --> 00:09:32,370 Speaker 9: She used to call me her terminator, so that was 161 00:09:32,410 --> 00:09:34,170 Speaker 9: one of her casemakers. 162 00:09:34,450 --> 00:09:36,131 Speaker 1: And what does she mean by casemaker? 163 00:09:37,851 --> 00:09:40,410 Speaker 9: Well guy who was able to put complex cases together. 164 00:09:41,771 --> 00:09:44,971 Speaker 2: So Hager has found a good match in Bailey. Given 165 00:09:45,251 --> 00:09:48,811 Speaker 2: how complex the case is and all the pushback he's 166 00:09:48,851 --> 00:09:50,731 Speaker 2: getting from the Sheriff's department. 167 00:09:52,651 --> 00:09:58,971 Speaker 3: It was very nerve wracking because the department was so 168 00:09:59,851 --> 00:10:06,450 Speaker 3: anti solving this case or looking into this case. It 169 00:10:06,570 --> 00:10:07,570 Speaker 3: took a big toll on me. 170 00:10:09,970 --> 00:10:12,651 Speaker 2: Hagar starts to piece together why it is. He thinks 171 00:10:12,930 --> 00:10:16,850 Speaker 2: the department is giving them so much shit. It happens 172 00:10:16,891 --> 00:10:19,410 Speaker 2: while he's surveilling key players in the drug scene. 173 00:10:20,491 --> 00:10:24,530 Speaker 3: We put traces on the numbers, the telephone numbers, and 174 00:10:24,611 --> 00:10:29,690 Speaker 3: see what numbers were calling them. Half of the numbers, 175 00:10:29,731 --> 00:10:31,891 Speaker 3: probably more than that. There is a lot. Well came 176 00:10:31,930 --> 00:10:34,970 Speaker 3: back to share stations off of bad Guy's telephones. 177 00:10:36,930 --> 00:10:40,891 Speaker 2: Hagar says that multiple Sheriff's deputies were calling multiple targets 178 00:10:40,930 --> 00:10:44,570 Speaker 2: of their narcotics investigation. He has a hard time making 179 00:10:44,651 --> 00:10:45,771 Speaker 2: sense of what's going on. 180 00:10:46,611 --> 00:10:49,690 Speaker 3: In my mind. These are all my buddies. They're not dirty. 181 00:10:50,371 --> 00:10:53,730 Speaker 3: I worked with them, we had barbecues together. These are 182 00:10:53,771 --> 00:10:56,131 Speaker 3: good people. There's no way any of this is true. 183 00:10:56,851 --> 00:11:00,131 Speaker 3: So at the start, I was a non believer until 184 00:11:00,170 --> 00:11:03,290 Speaker 3: he got knee deep into what was going on, and 185 00:11:03,290 --> 00:11:05,050 Speaker 3: then you get the true information about it. 186 00:11:07,170 --> 00:11:10,170 Speaker 2: When they get knee deep into it, they figure out 187 00:11:10,251 --> 00:11:13,651 Speaker 2: that the local cops are leaking information to friends on 188 00:11:13,690 --> 00:11:16,571 Speaker 2: the other side of the law and alerting them to 189 00:11:16,651 --> 00:11:17,651 Speaker 2: impending raids. 190 00:11:18,851 --> 00:11:20,971 Speaker 3: We'd go to kick down a door, and the suspects 191 00:11:20,970 --> 00:11:23,850 Speaker 3: were already waiting for us. They were on the phone 192 00:11:23,891 --> 00:11:26,731 Speaker 3: with the sheriff's department being notified we were going to 193 00:11:26,810 --> 00:11:29,730 Speaker 3: kick the door. As we kicked the door. I mean, 194 00:11:29,731 --> 00:11:32,010 Speaker 3: that's how dangerous it got. 195 00:11:33,690 --> 00:11:37,651 Speaker 2: Hager is rattled. He worries that during the next raid 196 00:11:37,731 --> 00:11:40,851 Speaker 2: he might walk into a shootout, because the more word 197 00:11:40,891 --> 00:11:44,170 Speaker 2: spreads about the task Force, the more enemies he racks up. 198 00:11:45,131 --> 00:11:48,011 Speaker 2: And then this threat of violence shows up at his doorstep. 199 00:11:50,290 --> 00:11:51,971 Speaker 2: He wakes up in the middle of the night to 200 00:11:52,050 --> 00:11:54,970 Speaker 2: the sound of a car pulling up. He gets up, 201 00:11:55,210 --> 00:11:58,571 Speaker 2: looks out the window and sees a guy approaching his house. 202 00:11:59,851 --> 00:12:02,331 Speaker 3: And the guy put a mask on, and he knocked 203 00:12:02,330 --> 00:12:04,091 Speaker 3: on the door and ran back behind the pillar and 204 00:12:04,131 --> 00:12:06,330 Speaker 3: stood there. And I was watching the whole thing from upstairs, 205 00:12:07,330 --> 00:12:09,451 Speaker 3: and he did this like three or four times, and 206 00:12:10,090 --> 00:12:13,970 Speaker 3: something told me don't open the door and don't contront him. 207 00:12:14,410 --> 00:12:18,851 Speaker 2: It's an unnerving experience, especially given the violence of the 208 00:12:18,891 --> 00:12:22,810 Speaker 2: local drug trade and what Hagar's been uncovering in Operation 209 00:12:22,970 --> 00:12:25,611 Speaker 2: Silent Thunder, with the. 210 00:12:25,530 --> 00:12:28,090 Speaker 3: Things that we already knew and the bodies that had 211 00:12:28,131 --> 00:12:31,690 Speaker 3: disappeared in the case that's going on, I just figured 212 00:12:32,570 --> 00:12:35,090 Speaker 3: somebody didn't want me in the picture anymore to investigate 213 00:12:35,491 --> 00:12:36,891 Speaker 3: whatever I was investigating. 214 00:12:38,810 --> 00:12:42,131 Speaker 2: After the masked man incident, Hagar moves out of his 215 00:12:42,210 --> 00:12:45,891 Speaker 2: house and decants to the Dea safehouse, where he begins 216 00:12:45,930 --> 00:12:50,050 Speaker 2: living full time. He isn't scared off the case, but 217 00:12:50,131 --> 00:12:54,011 Speaker 2: he is feeling it strained. The task force has consumed 218 00:12:54,050 --> 00:12:58,091 Speaker 2: his whole life. He's exhausted, he's constantly having to look 219 00:12:58,090 --> 00:13:02,570 Speaker 2: over his shoulder, and still he can't stop thinking about 220 00:13:02,690 --> 00:13:03,491 Speaker 2: John Aujay. 221 00:13:04,851 --> 00:13:07,570 Speaker 3: I sat there numerous times alone in the middle of 222 00:13:07,651 --> 00:13:10,371 Speaker 3: the night on surveillance. I shouldn't have been out there 223 00:13:10,491 --> 00:13:12,611 Speaker 3: or did it on my own. Everyone else is in bed, 224 00:13:13,570 --> 00:13:15,970 Speaker 3: but I want to solve the case, and I just said, John, 225 00:13:16,131 --> 00:13:19,731 Speaker 3: just talk to me, where the hell are you? What happened? 226 00:13:23,131 --> 00:13:27,530 Speaker 2: Auj never talked back. But the case does take a 227 00:13:27,570 --> 00:13:31,651 Speaker 2: turn when Operations Silent thunder wire taps go live. 228 00:13:33,290 --> 00:13:35,811 Speaker 10: They are not easy to get. 229 00:13:36,090 --> 00:13:39,011 Speaker 9: You have to show that there was no other investigative 230 00:13:39,050 --> 00:13:44,011 Speaker 9: means that would enable you to achieve your goals, and 231 00:13:44,050 --> 00:13:45,731 Speaker 9: then you have to show that that guy's using this 232 00:13:45,810 --> 00:13:47,810 Speaker 9: telephone number for criminal activity. 233 00:13:49,050 --> 00:13:52,651 Speaker 2: Agent Bailey and Deputy Hagar have collected mounds of evidence 234 00:13:52,851 --> 00:13:56,650 Speaker 2: on key players in the meds scene, including the godlike 235 00:13:56,930 --> 00:14:00,811 Speaker 2: Tom Hinkle. The task force uses it to establish probable 236 00:14:00,891 --> 00:14:05,011 Speaker 2: cause to apply for federal wire taps. When the team 237 00:14:05,050 --> 00:14:09,171 Speaker 2: gets the green light, information pours out onto the wires. 238 00:14:10,251 --> 00:14:13,410 Speaker 2: Bailey describes one of these taps as their Jerry Springer 239 00:14:13,491 --> 00:14:17,170 Speaker 2: wire because there was so much action on it and 240 00:14:17,251 --> 00:14:20,211 Speaker 2: the information proves valuable. When they raid a storage unit 241 00:14:20,291 --> 00:14:26,090 Speaker 2: containing explosives, firearms, and some stolen sheriff's gear, we. 242 00:14:26,131 --> 00:14:28,691 Speaker 9: Found their weapons stash. You know, they get there to 243 00:14:28,731 --> 00:14:30,730 Speaker 9: be on one of the largest weapon seizers that ATF 244 00:14:30,771 --> 00:14:33,371 Speaker 9: made at the time, certainly one of the largest ones 245 00:14:33,451 --> 00:14:35,210 Speaker 9: up at animal value. 246 00:14:37,011 --> 00:14:40,091 Speaker 2: Hagar says that wire taps can be a case making 247 00:14:40,210 --> 00:14:41,250 Speaker 2: law enforcement tool. 248 00:14:42,171 --> 00:14:44,571 Speaker 3: I can go out and interview a suspect or an 249 00:14:44,611 --> 00:14:47,851 Speaker 3: informan victim or whatever, and a lot of times they 250 00:14:47,891 --> 00:14:50,811 Speaker 3: tell you what a cop wants to hear, you know, 251 00:14:51,011 --> 00:14:53,771 Speaker 3: trying to get you to go away. But when you're 252 00:14:53,771 --> 00:14:56,931 Speaker 3: on a wire tap, you're hearing a conversation between two 253 00:14:56,931 --> 00:14:59,811 Speaker 3: people that don't think cops are involved. So you're getting 254 00:15:00,171 --> 00:15:00,731 Speaker 3: the truth. 255 00:15:02,131 --> 00:15:05,891 Speaker 2: But first Hagar and company have to crack the code 256 00:15:06,651 --> 00:15:09,090 Speaker 2: because when it comes to drugs, there's a lot of 257 00:15:09,131 --> 00:15:09,971 Speaker 2: side ways talk. 258 00:15:11,051 --> 00:15:14,251 Speaker 3: It was like are the enchiladas ready? That was your 259 00:15:14,291 --> 00:15:18,091 Speaker 3: grandma myth? Or it was a burrito for an ounce 260 00:15:18,131 --> 00:15:23,490 Speaker 3: of myth, or like dude's hungry, like constantly. These are 261 00:15:23,531 --> 00:15:27,691 Speaker 3: things we had to learn, you know. And tweakers and 262 00:15:27,811 --> 00:15:30,210 Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever met a tweaker. There 263 00:15:30,251 --> 00:15:33,330 Speaker 3: are literally one hundred miles an hour. So their phone 264 00:15:33,371 --> 00:15:35,931 Speaker 3: is ringing off the hook, phone called phone call, phone 265 00:15:35,970 --> 00:15:36,531 Speaker 3: called phone call. 266 00:15:40,011 --> 00:15:41,651 Speaker 2: And one of the names that keeps sort of sing 267 00:15:41,691 --> 00:15:47,250 Speaker 2: on these phone calls is Rick Engles aka Deputy Bigfoot. 268 00:16:17,731 --> 00:16:21,011 Speaker 1: The Silent Thunder Task Force is lying in wait, listening 269 00:16:21,011 --> 00:16:23,851 Speaker 1: in on their phone taps. When a familiar name comes 270 00:16:23,891 --> 00:16:27,251 Speaker 1: back on their radar, Deputy Rick Angles. 271 00:16:28,891 --> 00:16:31,371 Speaker 3: They call him Rick. You Rick is doing this or 272 00:16:31,851 --> 00:16:34,611 Speaker 3: Angles is going to be pissed, And I mean it's 273 00:16:34,691 --> 00:16:38,291 Speaker 3: just more of a like you're talking about another friend 274 00:16:38,330 --> 00:16:41,611 Speaker 3: in the group or another business partner type of thing. 275 00:16:42,291 --> 00:16:44,611 Speaker 3: It really pushed me to the edge where I was 276 00:16:44,651 --> 00:16:46,730 Speaker 3: saying it's not on the up and up. 277 00:16:48,451 --> 00:16:52,771 Speaker 1: So Hager's dea counterpart Agent Ken Bailey goes back to 278 00:16:52,851 --> 00:16:55,691 Speaker 1: the Sheriff's department and asks a second time for a 279 00:16:55,691 --> 00:16:59,451 Speaker 1: homicide detective to work directly with the task force, someone 280 00:16:59,531 --> 00:17:01,491 Speaker 1: to follow up in real time with all their au 281 00:17:01,611 --> 00:17:04,650 Speaker 1: JA leads and look into Rick Angles. 282 00:17:05,090 --> 00:17:08,330 Speaker 9: I beg for the homicide guys to work side by side. 283 00:17:08,330 --> 00:17:10,811 Speaker 9: We'll be doing the dope kke she do the homicide stuff. 284 00:17:11,891 --> 00:17:16,091 Speaker 1: The department relents and appoints Detective Joe Holmes for the job. 285 00:17:16,731 --> 00:17:19,331 Speaker 9: He looked like the fucking guy from drag Nut. 286 00:17:25,211 --> 00:17:27,651 Speaker 1: Bailey says. Holmes had a crew cut and a buy 287 00:17:27,691 --> 00:17:30,971 Speaker 1: the books kind of vibe, just like Joe Friday, the 288 00:17:31,051 --> 00:17:33,891 Speaker 1: lead detective on the fifties TV show Dragnet. 289 00:17:34,491 --> 00:17:36,731 Speaker 9: Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts. 290 00:17:38,251 --> 00:17:41,171 Speaker 1: Detective Holmes is the guy who shows up at Brandenburg's 291 00:17:41,171 --> 00:17:45,051 Speaker 1: doorstep to retrieve the AUJKSE file. He then meets with 292 00:17:45,131 --> 00:17:48,211 Speaker 1: Hagar and Bailey to get up to speed on their investigation. 293 00:17:49,371 --> 00:17:51,051 Speaker 3: We sat in the safe house and said, this is 294 00:17:51,091 --> 00:17:53,531 Speaker 3: what we have. We don't know where to go with it. 295 00:17:53,611 --> 00:17:55,811 Speaker 3: You guys took Larry off of it. We want you 296 00:17:55,851 --> 00:17:58,371 Speaker 3: to come full lower. Yeah. It to Joe Holmes and 297 00:17:58,411 --> 00:18:00,771 Speaker 3: he says, you guys got a homicide in your hands. 298 00:18:01,731 --> 00:18:02,651 Speaker 9: Yeah, that was the first thing. 299 00:18:02,651 --> 00:18:05,131 Speaker 10: He said, Well, it looks like you do a murder here. 300 00:18:05,771 --> 00:18:07,691 Speaker 3: He goes there for Ingles is dirty. I don't care 301 00:18:07,691 --> 00:18:09,411 Speaker 3: if he's wearing a badge or not. I'll take him jail. 302 00:18:10,091 --> 00:18:12,811 Speaker 3: I'm like, it's beautiful. That's all we ask for. 303 00:18:14,851 --> 00:18:17,611 Speaker 1: Holmes has been at the LASD for twenty five years 304 00:18:17,611 --> 00:18:20,330 Speaker 1: at this point, and his colleagues describe him as the 305 00:18:20,371 --> 00:18:24,531 Speaker 1: gold standard of homicide cops. Almost as soon as he's 306 00:18:24,531 --> 00:18:29,171 Speaker 1: assigned to the homicide case, holmes name surfaces on the wires. 307 00:18:30,931 --> 00:18:34,451 Speaker 1: Well Hagar's listening in on Tom Hinkle's phone calls. He 308 00:18:34,451 --> 00:18:37,651 Speaker 1: hears met the clause talking with a guy named Jeff Sherry, 309 00:18:38,251 --> 00:18:42,091 Speaker 1: a lifelong criminal in the Pear Blossom area. The two 310 00:18:42,171 --> 00:18:45,971 Speaker 1: are discussing the new homicide detective assigned to the AUJ case. 311 00:18:47,091 --> 00:18:51,771 Speaker 3: Jeff says Holmes is a nice guy, and then Pinkel says, YEA, 312 00:18:51,771 --> 00:18:54,011 Speaker 3: I already put a handle on him. I named him 313 00:18:54,331 --> 00:18:55,531 Speaker 3: Joe Friday. 314 00:18:55,771 --> 00:18:58,691 Speaker 1: Joe Friday from Dragnet, and they're. 315 00:18:58,611 --> 00:19:01,451 Speaker 3: Laughing about it stuff like that. So to me, there's 316 00:19:01,491 --> 00:19:05,331 Speaker 3: some type of cordial relationship between the two of them 317 00:19:05,331 --> 00:19:08,211 Speaker 3: that hinks not worried about anything from Joe Holmes. 318 00:19:09,531 --> 00:19:12,451 Speaker 1: Hager says that on the wired taps, Hinkle didn't sound 319 00:19:12,491 --> 00:19:16,610 Speaker 1: concerned about Detective homes. Hager's listening to recordings of the 320 00:19:16,611 --> 00:19:19,371 Speaker 1: wired taps as a reference. He won't let us hear 321 00:19:19,411 --> 00:19:22,571 Speaker 1: the tapes given the privacy restrictions around them, but he 322 00:19:22,651 --> 00:19:25,571 Speaker 1: offers to describe the conversations in broad strokes. 323 00:19:27,011 --> 00:19:29,610 Speaker 3: Jeff Sherry wants to know how long they're going to 324 00:19:29,651 --> 00:19:35,651 Speaker 3: leave this thing open, referring to the investigation, and Tom's 325 00:19:35,691 --> 00:19:39,330 Speaker 3: response as well, it's more than that. And Jeff is 326 00:19:39,531 --> 00:19:41,531 Speaker 3: amazed that something made it all the way to the 327 00:19:41,571 --> 00:19:47,011 Speaker 3: District Attorney's office, and Tom agrees, and they're both admitting 328 00:19:47,051 --> 00:19:49,971 Speaker 3: that something got very close when it made it to 329 00:19:50,011 --> 00:19:52,371 Speaker 3: the disc Attorney's office regarding the investigation. 330 00:19:53,051 --> 00:19:57,371 Speaker 2: Could it be the Brandenburg affidavit. 331 00:19:57,731 --> 00:20:02,131 Speaker 3: That's what my feeling is, because Larry Brandenburg did take 332 00:20:02,251 --> 00:20:05,611 Speaker 3: it to a DA for authorization that there is enough 333 00:20:05,651 --> 00:20:07,171 Speaker 3: evidence to go forward with it. 334 00:20:09,611 --> 00:20:13,330 Speaker 1: Remember, Larry Brandenberg wrote up a search warrant asking to 335 00:20:13,411 --> 00:20:16,611 Speaker 1: track Deputy Rick Engles vehicle and review his phone and 336 00:20:16,691 --> 00:20:19,891 Speaker 1: financial records. Then he took it to a district attorney. 337 00:20:21,371 --> 00:20:24,891 Speaker 1: Hager thinks that's what Jeff Sherry is talking about, that 338 00:20:24,971 --> 00:20:29,171 Speaker 1: the Auj investigation was getting close, and he feels pretty 339 00:20:29,211 --> 00:20:32,571 Speaker 1: certain that Sherry knows what happened to John Auj because 340 00:20:32,731 --> 00:20:37,370 Speaker 1: Shecherry's closely tied in with Hinkle, his sister's Hinkle's longtime girlfriend, 341 00:20:37,651 --> 00:20:41,571 Speaker 1: and for a while they all lived under the same roof. Plus, 342 00:20:41,891 --> 00:20:44,931 Speaker 1: Sherry's a known entity in the area. 343 00:20:45,011 --> 00:20:48,091 Speaker 3: If something happened in the Parablastom area, Jeff Sherry's name 344 00:20:48,131 --> 00:20:50,291 Speaker 3: was in it. His name always came up. 345 00:20:51,851 --> 00:20:55,131 Speaker 1: Jeff Sherry's rap sheet is truly one of the longest 346 00:20:55,211 --> 00:20:58,171 Speaker 1: I've ever seen, like the criminal version of one of 347 00:20:58,171 --> 00:21:03,731 Speaker 1: those never ending CVS receipts. There's numerous felonies, mostly drug crimes, 348 00:21:04,451 --> 00:21:06,971 Speaker 1: and one of the arrests on his record was made 349 00:21:07,171 --> 00:21:10,211 Speaker 1: by Darren Hager back when he was still a rookie deputy. 350 00:21:11,171 --> 00:21:14,131 Speaker 3: That was my first narcotic arrest, and I didn't deal 351 00:21:14,171 --> 00:21:16,531 Speaker 3: with him ever again until the Aujay case, and he 352 00:21:16,651 --> 00:21:18,131 Speaker 3: popped backed up into My life. 353 00:21:20,611 --> 00:21:24,131 Speaker 1: Sherry's voice pops up on the wires talking to Tom 354 00:21:24,211 --> 00:21:29,251 Speaker 1: Hinkle about the AUJ case, and during this conversation, Hinkle 355 00:21:29,331 --> 00:21:30,811 Speaker 1: brings up another murder. 356 00:21:32,091 --> 00:21:34,131 Speaker 3: He goes, yeah, look at that Standish case. 357 00:21:36,091 --> 00:21:38,411 Speaker 1: Lynn Standish was the woman who died from a bomb 358 00:21:38,411 --> 00:21:41,891 Speaker 1: explosion in Pair Blossom. There were tire tracks leading from 359 00:21:41,931 --> 00:21:46,611 Speaker 1: the murder scene directly to Hinkle's home. Deputy Bigfoot Angles 360 00:21:46,651 --> 00:21:49,811 Speaker 1: arrived at the scene and spoke to Hinkle alone just 361 00:21:49,851 --> 00:21:54,131 Speaker 1: before the homicide detective questioned him, and that homicide detective 362 00:21:54,451 --> 00:21:59,291 Speaker 1: was none other than Done Done Done Joe Friday aka 363 00:21:59,851 --> 00:22:06,251 Speaker 1: Joe Holmes. So the AUJ case is the second murder 364 00:22:06,291 --> 00:22:09,650 Speaker 1: case in which Holmes crosses paths with Rick Engels and 365 00:22:09,691 --> 00:22:13,731 Speaker 1: Tom Hinkle, and the phone call between Hinkle and Sherry 366 00:22:14,251 --> 00:22:17,451 Speaker 1: discusses Holmes in the context of these two cases. 367 00:22:18,411 --> 00:22:22,371 Speaker 3: Jeff Sherry said, Yeah, they're trying to create something. And 368 00:22:22,451 --> 00:22:26,370 Speaker 3: for some reason, Tom goes, that's not even dead and 369 00:22:26,451 --> 00:22:30,171 Speaker 3: stinking yet, which is a very odd statement. I mean 370 00:22:30,371 --> 00:22:33,291 Speaker 3: dead and stinking and here we are in a homicide investigation. 371 00:22:34,211 --> 00:22:36,331 Speaker 3: Sounds like they know that there's a dead body somewhere 372 00:22:36,411 --> 00:22:37,611 Speaker 3: or someone hasn't found it. 373 00:22:39,491 --> 00:22:43,130 Speaker 1: Hagar is convinced Sherry knows something about au Jay's murder, 374 00:22:43,651 --> 00:22:46,211 Speaker 1: and he thinks Sherry's a weak link in Hinkle's operation, 375 00:22:47,011 --> 00:22:51,851 Speaker 1: someone he might be able to flip into an informant because. 376 00:22:51,651 --> 00:22:53,811 Speaker 3: He's got such a lengthy history that you might be 377 00:22:53,851 --> 00:22:55,851 Speaker 3: able to turn him. Because he doesn't want to go 378 00:22:56,051 --> 00:22:57,811 Speaker 3: you know, with the third strike that was back then, 379 00:22:58,371 --> 00:22:59,971 Speaker 3: he doesn't want to go to prison for the rest 380 00:22:59,971 --> 00:23:02,411 Speaker 3: of his life, so he was important to talk to. 381 00:23:04,091 --> 00:23:08,491 Speaker 1: So Hagar keeps surveilling the phone lines unnoticed, trying to 382 00:23:08,571 --> 00:23:13,291 Speaker 1: decode the coms, record a confession, or at least collect 383 00:23:13,331 --> 00:23:17,891 Speaker 1: as much dirt as possible before his cover's blown. But 384 00:23:18,011 --> 00:23:21,291 Speaker 1: then another call comes into Hinkles and Hager overhears some 385 00:23:21,371 --> 00:23:25,371 Speaker 1: information he can't just sit on because it seems Jeff 386 00:23:25,411 --> 00:23:29,251 Speaker 1: Sherry's life is in danger. It starts when Hinkle gets 387 00:23:29,251 --> 00:23:31,611 Speaker 1: a call from a friend who tells him that Jeff 388 00:23:31,651 --> 00:23:33,331 Speaker 1: Sherry is snitching. 389 00:23:34,411 --> 00:23:37,891 Speaker 3: They're worried that Jeff Sherry wrote an affidavid of some 390 00:23:37,971 --> 00:23:40,850 Speaker 3: sort about rick Ingdall's involvement with Tom Hinkll. 391 00:23:41,891 --> 00:23:44,451 Speaker 1: The caller had heard a rumor that Sherry was giving 392 00:23:44,531 --> 00:23:45,691 Speaker 1: up Angles and Hinkle. 393 00:23:46,891 --> 00:23:50,211 Speaker 3: Now we're here in this conversation, how Tom's worried about? 394 00:23:50,851 --> 00:23:51,571 Speaker 10: Well? 395 00:23:51,771 --> 00:23:53,811 Speaker 3: Can you get that? I need to know what it? Says? 396 00:23:55,411 --> 00:23:59,211 Speaker 1: Hinkle wants to see this AFFI, David, Hager, and Bailey 397 00:23:59,571 --> 00:24:04,011 Speaker 1: know of no such document. Nonetheless, the rumor causes quite 398 00:24:04,051 --> 00:24:08,330 Speaker 1: the star. According to a summary of the conversation, Hinkle 399 00:24:08,371 --> 00:24:11,851 Speaker 1: asks what's wrong with you, Sherry, to which his friend replies, 400 00:24:12,531 --> 00:24:15,091 Speaker 1: I don't know. Doesn't he know what Angles will do? 401 00:24:17,371 --> 00:24:20,731 Speaker 3: Immediately after we heard it on the phone call, I 402 00:24:20,731 --> 00:24:24,171 Speaker 3: got a call from parole saying that Rick Ingalls is 403 00:24:24,211 --> 00:24:26,531 Speaker 3: looking for Jeff Sherry with a couple other deputies. 404 00:24:28,211 --> 00:24:32,291 Speaker 1: Shortly after Sherry is accused of ratting, Angles allegedly call 405 00:24:32,411 --> 00:24:36,411 Speaker 1: Sherry's parole officer asking for his whereabouts. Then he and 406 00:24:36,451 --> 00:24:39,531 Speaker 1: a posse of deputies start searching for him. So when 407 00:24:39,571 --> 00:24:42,771 Speaker 1: Hagar hears that Angles and company are out hunting for Sherry, 408 00:24:43,571 --> 00:24:47,090 Speaker 1: he assumes the worst that the deputy is trying to 409 00:24:47,091 --> 00:24:52,731 Speaker 1: put an end to Sherry's snitching Permanently, Hager springs into 410 00:24:52,771 --> 00:24:55,811 Speaker 1: action to make sure Jeff Sherry doesn't disappear. 411 00:24:58,571 --> 00:24:59,931 Speaker 3: So I get a hold of Bailey. I go, we 412 00:24:59,971 --> 00:25:01,691 Speaker 3: got to get him. We got to get him now 413 00:25:01,771 --> 00:25:02,131 Speaker 3: or else. 414 00:25:03,971 --> 00:25:07,811 Speaker 1: So Hager guns it to Sherry's home. What comes next 415 00:25:07,971 --> 00:25:09,771 Speaker 1: is uncorroborated. 416 00:25:11,531 --> 00:25:13,811 Speaker 3: Park the car, I get out, I walk by the 417 00:25:13,851 --> 00:25:17,171 Speaker 3: apartment and there's Jeff Sherry right on the porch, right 418 00:25:17,171 --> 00:25:17,971 Speaker 3: in front of his door. 419 00:25:19,291 --> 00:25:23,051 Speaker 1: Hagar's first on scene, but he needs backup, so he 420 00:25:23,091 --> 00:25:24,611 Speaker 1: calls into the nearest sheriff station. 421 00:25:25,891 --> 00:25:28,091 Speaker 3: I go, look, this guy's a runner, he's a fighter, 422 00:25:28,251 --> 00:25:32,291 Speaker 3: and then he's probably armed, and I need someone good. 423 00:25:33,251 --> 00:25:35,131 Speaker 3: He goes, all right, I'll send you some deputies. I 424 00:25:35,171 --> 00:25:35,651 Speaker 3: got thanks. 425 00:25:36,971 --> 00:25:39,491 Speaker 1: One of the deputies that shows up is a friend 426 00:25:39,491 --> 00:25:40,131 Speaker 1: of angles. 427 00:25:41,131 --> 00:25:42,931 Speaker 3: He goes, go back to your car, we'll handle this. 428 00:25:43,011 --> 00:25:45,211 Speaker 3: I said, no, you're going to obey my orders and 429 00:25:45,211 --> 00:25:46,771 Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you how to handle this because 430 00:25:46,771 --> 00:25:49,491 Speaker 3: I'm an on scene commander right now, because we're not 431 00:25:49,531 --> 00:25:53,251 Speaker 3: doing anything until you leave. This is going to get ugly. 432 00:25:55,131 --> 00:25:59,251 Speaker 1: It's a tense standoff, and there's a lot of subtexts 433 00:25:59,291 --> 00:26:04,371 Speaker 1: buried within this interaction. By this point, Hagar is persona 434 00:26:04,451 --> 00:26:07,451 Speaker 1: non grata in these parts because, over the course of 435 00:26:07,491 --> 00:26:11,851 Speaker 1: operations Silent Thunder, the task Force has documented questionable behavior 436 00:26:11,931 --> 00:26:16,051 Speaker 1: from a number of deputies, including Rick Angles. As word 437 00:26:16,131 --> 00:26:18,411 Speaker 1: leaks out about what Hagar and the Feds have discovered, 438 00:26:19,011 --> 00:26:21,090 Speaker 1: the local cops turn on him. 439 00:26:21,811 --> 00:26:24,171 Speaker 3: I didn't have a single friend anymore. Not a single 440 00:26:24,171 --> 00:26:27,611 Speaker 3: deputy would talk to me, nobody, because they all thought 441 00:26:27,651 --> 00:26:31,491 Speaker 3: I was a rat. Everyone's heard of the code of silence. 442 00:26:31,571 --> 00:26:34,251 Speaker 3: It does exist. It's not written down, no one could 443 00:26:34,251 --> 00:26:36,971 Speaker 3: ever prove it. But this case right here just shows 444 00:26:36,971 --> 00:26:39,531 Speaker 3: one hundred percent that there is a code of science. 445 00:26:39,571 --> 00:26:43,651 Speaker 3: There's certain deputies or law enforcement that say, hey, you're 446 00:26:43,691 --> 00:26:46,771 Speaker 3: guilty of especially murder and drug dealing and stuff like that, 447 00:26:47,051 --> 00:26:50,691 Speaker 3: you shouldn't be carrying the badge. So you're fair game, 448 00:26:50,811 --> 00:26:52,890 Speaker 3: just like every other bad guy that's doing it. So 449 00:26:53,291 --> 00:26:55,491 Speaker 3: that's the way I feel, And some cops feel that way, 450 00:26:55,531 --> 00:26:58,411 Speaker 3: and some cops turn the blind eye because they don't 451 00:26:58,411 --> 00:26:59,850 Speaker 3: want to be a snitch. 452 00:27:02,411 --> 00:27:05,891 Speaker 1: Hagar and Sherry have little in common, but at this 453 00:27:06,011 --> 00:27:09,651 Speaker 1: particular moment in time, they find themselves in a similar situation. 454 00:27:10,531 --> 00:27:13,651 Speaker 1: They're both in hot water because of what they know. 455 00:27:15,531 --> 00:27:19,090 Speaker 1: In an escalating battle of wills, Hager wins the standoff 456 00:27:19,571 --> 00:27:21,771 Speaker 1: and he takes Jeff Sherry into custody. 457 00:27:22,691 --> 00:27:25,491 Speaker 3: My eyes we saved his life because I really think 458 00:27:25,611 --> 00:27:28,131 Speaker 3: Japees are going to kill him. You know, It's just 459 00:27:28,291 --> 00:27:29,451 Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like it. 460 00:27:31,811 --> 00:27:35,331 Speaker 1: And Hager finally gets his chance to question Sherry about 461 00:27:35,371 --> 00:27:36,211 Speaker 1: the Aujay case. 462 00:27:37,091 --> 00:27:38,731 Speaker 8: Just tell me, what do you know about comedy and 463 00:27:38,811 --> 00:27:42,251 Speaker 8: who he's associated without their loss with things like there they. 464 00:27:42,131 --> 00:27:45,891 Speaker 1: Call God, they call him God, Sherry says. 465 00:28:05,891 --> 00:28:10,291 Speaker 2: Once Jeff Sherry's in custody, Detective Hagar interviews him. He 466 00:28:10,451 --> 00:28:12,691 Speaker 2: asks him about Tom Hinkle. 467 00:28:13,731 --> 00:28:16,531 Speaker 5: And there's your hours that who he's associated with a right. 468 00:28:17,771 --> 00:28:21,291 Speaker 2: That's a young Hagar. His voice was less seasoned back 469 00:28:21,331 --> 00:28:23,011 Speaker 2: in two thousand and one. 470 00:28:23,331 --> 00:28:28,891 Speaker 5: Ten people who hangle Rick Hald Where is Kingles? 471 00:28:29,851 --> 00:28:36,771 Speaker 2: Jereff Cherry says, Tom Hinkle associates with Rick Engles. The 472 00:28:36,851 --> 00:28:40,651 Speaker 2: Sheriff Angles was actually the resident deputy of the area, 473 00:28:41,051 --> 00:28:44,171 Speaker 2: but given his power over the region, many view him 474 00:28:44,211 --> 00:28:49,011 Speaker 2: as the sheriff. Cherry says that Tom Hinkle and Deputy 475 00:28:49,011 --> 00:28:52,731 Speaker 2: Angles were spotted all over Pair Blossom, hanging with known 476 00:28:52,891 --> 00:28:57,571 Speaker 2: meth manufacturers, and that they would steal chemicals from rival 477 00:28:57,611 --> 00:29:00,651 Speaker 2: meth gangs and then use it to cook their dope. 478 00:29:01,851 --> 00:29:05,091 Speaker 8: And about this, missy, Deputy Tom holding a Peter Mrick 479 00:29:05,091 --> 00:29:07,011 Speaker 8: story about it, or it was the first story toldy 480 00:29:07,731 --> 00:29:12,491 Speaker 8: be sure led investigation because he get kicked fetish. 481 00:29:13,091 --> 00:29:19,251 Speaker 2: He said, he was under investigation because they think that 482 00:29:19,491 --> 00:29:22,091 Speaker 2: him and angles theft. 483 00:29:22,091 --> 00:29:25,331 Speaker 5: He was out jogging running, you know, down under rafts, 484 00:29:25,811 --> 00:29:27,131 Speaker 5: and don't think you don't. 485 00:29:27,011 --> 00:29:27,611 Speaker 9: Kill the depty. 486 00:29:28,851 --> 00:29:31,811 Speaker 2: The deputy was out jogging running and found one of 487 00:29:31,851 --> 00:29:35,051 Speaker 2: their labs, and they you know, killed the deputy. 488 00:29:36,091 --> 00:29:38,411 Speaker 5: He should a little smile and a ship. 489 00:29:38,931 --> 00:29:39,251 Speaker 7: He said. 490 00:29:39,291 --> 00:29:41,051 Speaker 2: It was a little smile on his face and shit 491 00:29:42,611 --> 00:29:46,011 Speaker 2: like that her and he goes, I wouldn't do anything 492 00:29:46,091 --> 00:29:52,891 Speaker 2: like that, would I. That's as far as Sherry is 493 00:29:52,931 --> 00:29:55,491 Speaker 2: willing to go. But he may have known a lot 494 00:29:55,651 --> 00:29:59,571 Speaker 2: more about what happened to auj because years later a 495 00:29:59,651 --> 00:30:03,371 Speaker 2: woman will call Jane came forward to report a disturbing 496 00:30:03,411 --> 00:30:06,211 Speaker 2: interaction she had with a neighbor in the Pear Blossom area. 497 00:30:07,171 --> 00:30:08,851 Speaker 7: Used to call him scary Jeff Sherry. 498 00:30:10,011 --> 00:30:13,771 Speaker 2: Jane says they used to hang out occasionally, and one 499 00:30:13,891 --> 00:30:16,651 Speaker 2: night they were in her garage, went out of nowhere. 500 00:30:17,291 --> 00:30:19,491 Speaker 2: Cherry starts in on the missing deputy. 501 00:30:20,451 --> 00:30:23,891 Speaker 11: He started carrying on about how he knew about this 502 00:30:24,011 --> 00:30:26,811 Speaker 11: cop that disappeared. As soon as he told me the story, 503 00:30:26,891 --> 00:30:28,571 Speaker 11: my whole body turned into chills. 504 00:30:29,771 --> 00:30:33,691 Speaker 2: Then, she says, Scherry described where the missing cop was buried. 505 00:30:34,691 --> 00:30:36,491 Speaker 7: He described with his hands in the air, you know, 506 00:30:36,651 --> 00:30:38,571 Speaker 7: making a big triangle. 507 00:30:38,731 --> 00:30:42,011 Speaker 11: You know that the cop was buried on this guy's 508 00:30:42,011 --> 00:30:44,691 Speaker 11: property with the biggest a frame house there is. 509 00:30:45,051 --> 00:30:47,211 Speaker 7: That this cop was buried under this a frame house. 510 00:30:48,731 --> 00:30:51,411 Speaker 2: And it just so happens that a big a frame 511 00:30:51,491 --> 00:30:54,731 Speaker 2: house is the kind of house Tom Hinkle lived in. 512 00:30:55,851 --> 00:30:58,251 Speaker 7: And after he left, I was in tears because I 513 00:30:58,331 --> 00:30:59,571 Speaker 7: believed him, and I still do. 514 00:31:01,811 --> 00:31:05,211 Speaker 2: Jane immediately wrote down what she heard and it submitted 515 00:31:05,251 --> 00:31:08,291 Speaker 2: a tip to the FBI. We don't know if they 516 00:31:08,331 --> 00:31:11,971 Speaker 2: investigated the lead, because again they can either confirm nor 517 00:31:12,131 --> 00:31:16,211 Speaker 2: deny the existence of an investigation. But in her message, 518 00:31:16,651 --> 00:31:19,811 Speaker 2: Jane begs the FBI for some reassurance that her fears 519 00:31:19,851 --> 00:31:23,491 Speaker 2: are misplaced. She says, please tell me this guy is 520 00:31:23,571 --> 00:31:26,531 Speaker 2: full of crap. It's not a real story. I'm hoping 521 00:31:26,651 --> 00:31:31,931 Speaker 2: your reply will be when Jeff Sherry's in custody. He 522 00:31:32,051 --> 00:31:35,171 Speaker 2: stops short of giving Hagar proof of Hinkle and Angle's 523 00:31:35,251 --> 00:31:39,291 Speaker 2: involvement in Aujay's disappearance. So the task force sits tight 524 00:31:39,731 --> 00:31:43,131 Speaker 2: and continues to listen in on Tom Hinkle's wire, which 525 00:31:43,211 --> 00:31:46,451 Speaker 2: is a springboard for Hager and Bailey's wider NARCO investigation. 526 00:31:47,651 --> 00:31:50,531 Speaker 3: Our case was building stronger and stronger. Every single day. 527 00:31:50,971 --> 00:31:54,451 Speaker 3: We were making arrests, we were getting our seizures. Our 528 00:31:54,531 --> 00:31:56,291 Speaker 3: case was one hundred percent on. 529 00:31:58,091 --> 00:32:02,771 Speaker 1: Operation Silent Thunder spans eighteen months, involves long days of 530 00:32:02,851 --> 00:32:06,931 Speaker 1: building probable cause, monitoring wire taps, and serving search warrants. 531 00:32:07,931 --> 00:32:11,971 Speaker 1: The task force is making sporadic arrests doing surveillance, but 532 00:32:12,091 --> 00:32:15,371 Speaker 1: it's all culminating in a massive takedown that will cause 533 00:32:15,451 --> 00:32:16,811 Speaker 1: ripple effects across. 534 00:32:16,491 --> 00:32:17,411 Speaker 7: The Antelope Valley. 535 00:32:19,291 --> 00:32:22,891 Speaker 1: The takedown starts in the early morning hours of August 536 00:32:22,931 --> 00:32:26,371 Speaker 1: twenty first, two thousand and one. More than two hundred 537 00:32:26,451 --> 00:32:30,051 Speaker 1: law enforcement officers from at least six different agencies are 538 00:32:30,171 --> 00:32:34,251 Speaker 1: fanning out across the Antelope Valley and beyond. They're about 539 00:32:34,331 --> 00:32:37,851 Speaker 1: to raid twenty three locations with known associations to the 540 00:32:37,931 --> 00:32:43,011 Speaker 1: meth trade. The targets include labs and dealers' houses. The 541 00:32:43,171 --> 00:32:45,531 Speaker 1: plan is to hit them all at once, so the 542 00:32:45,611 --> 00:32:47,771 Speaker 1: targets don't have time to tip each other off. 543 00:32:48,731 --> 00:32:50,971 Speaker 9: So we rolled out with twenty three different search. 544 00:32:50,771 --> 00:32:54,131 Speaker 1: Board teams Bailey, the terminator. 545 00:32:54,371 --> 00:32:58,491 Speaker 10: Thea FBI swat, you know, and then simultaneously hit these 546 00:32:58,571 --> 00:32:59,611 Speaker 10: doors across the valley. 547 00:33:01,131 --> 00:33:03,371 Speaker 1: Hagar and Bailey were posted up at the command center, 548 00:33:03,731 --> 00:33:07,011 Speaker 1: coordinating efforts from a central location and getting updates from 549 00:33:07,051 --> 00:33:07,931 Speaker 1: agents in the field. 550 00:33:09,651 --> 00:33:12,731 Speaker 10: Were done at the crack of dawn and you know, 551 00:33:13,531 --> 00:33:16,331 Speaker 10: we've finished some Tewy collapsed in the bed that night 552 00:33:16,371 --> 00:33:17,771 Speaker 10: and got back up in the morning. 553 00:33:19,931 --> 00:33:23,211 Speaker 1: There were mass arrests, many with ties to biker gangs 554 00:33:23,251 --> 00:33:27,051 Speaker 1: like the Vagos and white supremacist groups like Supreme White Power, 555 00:33:27,731 --> 00:33:32,331 Speaker 1: who reportedly funded their organization through their aggressive narcotics trade. 556 00:33:33,491 --> 00:33:37,891 Speaker 1: These meth operations had tentacles that crossed state lines. Many 557 00:33:38,011 --> 00:33:40,731 Speaker 1: were flying below the radar, operating under the guise of 558 00:33:40,891 --> 00:33:45,771 Speaker 1: legitimate businesses. One dealer was shipping meth inside custom made 559 00:33:45,811 --> 00:33:49,811 Speaker 1: car parts that he manufactured himself. The task force had 560 00:33:49,851 --> 00:33:52,731 Speaker 1: no idea how the dealer was moving his math. But 561 00:33:52,851 --> 00:33:55,171 Speaker 1: after they see some metal rods during the big bust, 562 00:33:55,891 --> 00:33:57,091 Speaker 1: Hager makes the discovery. 563 00:33:58,131 --> 00:34:00,811 Speaker 3: It just looks like a solid piece of aluminum. I go, 564 00:34:00,891 --> 00:34:04,571 Speaker 3: there's something with this. Took him to the hospital, had 565 00:34:04,611 --> 00:34:07,491 Speaker 3: a mex rate and they go, this looks kind of hollow. 566 00:34:08,690 --> 00:34:11,371 Speaker 1: The hollow raw is part of a drive shaft, so 567 00:34:11,491 --> 00:34:13,331 Speaker 1: Hagar takes it to a mechanic to give. 568 00:34:13,210 --> 00:34:13,571 Speaker 2: It a look. 569 00:34:14,531 --> 00:34:18,451 Speaker 3: So they took pliers and grabbed on stuff and they're twisting. 570 00:34:18,531 --> 00:34:20,810 Speaker 3: All of a sudden where those two rings are moved. 571 00:34:21,651 --> 00:34:26,571 Speaker 3: Pried it off full of ziplock freezer bags with thee 572 00:34:27,691 --> 00:34:30,091 Speaker 3: We only took two of those and the house was 573 00:34:30,131 --> 00:34:32,971 Speaker 3: filled with them. Who knows what we missed. 574 00:34:34,771 --> 00:34:38,131 Speaker 1: The cells were sophisticated and good at covering their tracks. 575 00:34:39,611 --> 00:34:42,971 Speaker 1: At a press conference, Sheriff Lee Baka, who was head 576 00:34:43,051 --> 00:34:46,131 Speaker 1: of the LASD at the time, referred to those arrested 577 00:34:46,251 --> 00:34:49,931 Speaker 1: in the Operation Silent Thunderstaing as the godfathers of Meth. 578 00:34:51,131 --> 00:34:54,571 Speaker 3: We put a big hurt into what we called the untouchables. 579 00:34:54,971 --> 00:34:56,690 Speaker 3: We put a big scare into them. We took a 580 00:34:56,731 --> 00:35:00,651 Speaker 3: lot of them in the custody. We dismantled that organization 581 00:35:00,851 --> 00:35:01,611 Speaker 3: for a long time. 582 00:35:03,371 --> 00:35:06,771 Speaker 1: And one of the godfathers of meth is God himself, 583 00:35:07,371 --> 00:35:12,411 Speaker 1: Tom Hinkle. After the task force extracted what they could 584 00:35:12,491 --> 00:35:15,451 Speaker 1: from Hinkle's phone line, they decided it was time to 585 00:35:15,571 --> 00:35:18,770 Speaker 1: raid his compound. The a frame the house on the hill. 586 00:35:20,411 --> 00:35:22,371 Speaker 1: There's a lot of prep that needs to be done 587 00:35:22,451 --> 00:35:25,411 Speaker 1: for a raid of this kind. The Task Force assigns 588 00:35:25,411 --> 00:35:28,451 Speaker 1: a surveillance team to track Rick Angles. They want to 589 00:35:28,491 --> 00:35:30,691 Speaker 1: keep an eye on him make sure he doesn't interfere 590 00:35:30,811 --> 00:35:35,210 Speaker 1: when they're serving this high risk search warrant. The task 591 00:35:35,331 --> 00:35:38,251 Speaker 1: Force is on edge because Tom Hinkle had said that 592 00:35:38,331 --> 00:35:41,571 Speaker 1: if law enforcement came for him, he'd go down shooting. 593 00:35:44,051 --> 00:35:47,131 Speaker 1: The unit in charge of surveilling and securing Hinkle's home 594 00:35:47,211 --> 00:35:51,411 Speaker 1: during the raid was the Special Enforcement Bureau, the unit 595 00:35:51,491 --> 00:35:52,371 Speaker 1: AUJ belonged to. 596 00:35:54,251 --> 00:35:57,851 Speaker 10: They obviously wanted to do that because Hinkle was one 597 00:35:57,851 --> 00:36:01,091 Speaker 10: of the number one mains being thrown around with adj's disappearance. 598 00:36:02,691 --> 00:36:06,731 Speaker 2: So one morning, nearly three years after AJ disappeared, the 599 00:36:06,851 --> 00:36:10,931 Speaker 2: Task Force puts their plans into motion. They post up 600 00:36:11,051 --> 00:36:13,851 Speaker 2: around Hinkle's home and wait until he gets into his 601 00:36:13,971 --> 00:36:18,211 Speaker 2: car to head down his long dirt driveway. Then the 602 00:36:18,291 --> 00:36:22,531 Speaker 2: team moves in to arrest him. Camouflage shooters emerge from 603 00:36:22,571 --> 00:36:27,171 Speaker 2: the brush, a helicopter sweeps in. Deputy Bigfoot Angles even 604 00:36:27,251 --> 00:36:29,451 Speaker 2: races onto the scene as soon as he hears about 605 00:36:29,451 --> 00:36:32,171 Speaker 2: the raid, but he doesn't get out of his car. 606 00:36:32,651 --> 00:36:35,931 Speaker 2: He just lurks on the perimeter of the property before 607 00:36:36,011 --> 00:36:39,690 Speaker 2: driving down the road to his house. Officers on the 608 00:36:39,731 --> 00:36:43,891 Speaker 2: scene uncover all sorts of things tucked away and unlikely places. 609 00:36:44,651 --> 00:36:47,491 Speaker 2: There's nearly two thousand dollars in cash hidden inside a 610 00:36:47,571 --> 00:36:51,810 Speaker 2: stereo speaker, there's a police scanner, a pager, sandwich bagg 611 00:36:51,931 --> 00:36:54,651 Speaker 2: is full of what appears to be marijuana, and there's 612 00:36:54,651 --> 00:36:58,290 Speaker 2: a rifle and ammunition stashed inside an ice cream truck 613 00:36:58,411 --> 00:37:02,051 Speaker 2: parked on the property. The task force only finds one 614 00:37:02,131 --> 00:37:05,531 Speaker 2: small baggie of mes, though maybe Hinkle's stock was low 615 00:37:05,651 --> 00:37:08,691 Speaker 2: because the task force had already busted his main supplier. 616 00:37:09,651 --> 00:37:13,411 Speaker 2: But Hager thinks that law enforcement just missed Hinkle's stash. 617 00:37:14,291 --> 00:37:17,291 Speaker 3: When we took down Hinkle's house, we knew there was 618 00:37:17,331 --> 00:37:20,411 Speaker 3: on a ground bunker, but we never found it. Could 619 00:37:20,491 --> 00:37:22,690 Speaker 3: not find that bunker, but I know exactly where it is. 620 00:37:25,451 --> 00:37:29,051 Speaker 2: At least Taker thinks he does. Just like those meth 621 00:37:29,131 --> 00:37:32,451 Speaker 2: filled car parts. He thinks Hinkl's bunker was hiding in 622 00:37:32,571 --> 00:37:36,730 Speaker 2: plain sight, and theorizes Hinkle found a low tech way 623 00:37:36,891 --> 00:37:38,091 Speaker 2: to conceal his stash. 624 00:37:39,291 --> 00:37:42,931 Speaker 3: There was a bunch of broken toilets around the whole thing. 625 00:37:43,811 --> 00:37:46,171 Speaker 3: So when you do an air surveillance with heat infrared, 626 00:37:46,811 --> 00:37:49,250 Speaker 3: the reflection off the ceramic you don't get any heat 627 00:37:49,971 --> 00:37:52,891 Speaker 3: out of it. Because we had NASA and the Air 628 00:37:52,931 --> 00:37:55,971 Speaker 3: Force base giving us things like that. You know where 629 00:37:56,011 --> 00:37:58,451 Speaker 3: they can fly over and see voids in the ground 630 00:37:58,571 --> 00:38:01,810 Speaker 3: with their technology, but with the ceramic toilets, you don't 631 00:38:01,811 --> 00:38:02,331 Speaker 3: get to see that. 632 00:38:04,771 --> 00:38:07,051 Speaker 2: So they don't find much meth. But the task Force 633 00:38:07,131 --> 00:38:12,411 Speaker 2: gets what they've come for. Tom The task Force arrests them, 634 00:38:12,811 --> 00:38:15,851 Speaker 2: along with nearly three hundred others involved in the area's 635 00:38:15,891 --> 00:38:20,051 Speaker 2: meth trade. It shuts down sixteen labs and confiscates weapons 636 00:38:20,171 --> 00:38:23,971 Speaker 2: and explosives. It seizes more than two million dollars worth 637 00:38:24,011 --> 00:38:27,091 Speaker 2: of drugs, the equivalent of nearly four million dollars today, 638 00:38:27,771 --> 00:38:30,571 Speaker 2: and enough chemicals to make three hundred and seventy pounds 639 00:38:30,771 --> 00:38:32,211 Speaker 2: of finished methamphetamine. 640 00:38:33,771 --> 00:38:37,571 Speaker 3: We took down five out of six cells that nobody 641 00:38:37,611 --> 00:38:40,451 Speaker 3: else could. These are names that I knew for fifteen 642 00:38:40,531 --> 00:38:43,131 Speaker 3: years that nobody could get to jail, and we took 643 00:38:43,171 --> 00:38:44,331 Speaker 3: them all to jail. Federally. 644 00:38:47,011 --> 00:38:51,051 Speaker 2: A local news outlet called Operation Silent Thunder the biggest 645 00:38:51,051 --> 00:38:54,531 Speaker 2: sting in the history of the valley. But one of 646 00:38:54,571 --> 00:38:57,451 Speaker 2: the things Hager's most proud of is his role in 647 00:38:57,571 --> 00:39:01,411 Speaker 2: building cases against people he believes were involved in John 648 00:39:01,451 --> 00:39:06,771 Speaker 2: Aujy's disappearance. After the Task Force takes Tom Hinkle into custody, 649 00:39:07,371 --> 00:39:11,291 Speaker 2: DEA agent Kent Bailey asks point blank, what do you 650 00:39:11,371 --> 00:39:15,451 Speaker 2: know about the missing Deputy John Ajay? Hinkle replies, quote, 651 00:39:16,051 --> 00:39:18,331 Speaker 2: I'll have to take that one with me to the 652 00:39:18,411 --> 00:39:25,771 Speaker 2: grave end quote. The law enforcement has ways of getting 653 00:39:25,811 --> 00:39:29,731 Speaker 2: people to open up, especially when they're in custody and 654 00:39:29,891 --> 00:39:31,651 Speaker 2: steering down federal jail time. 655 00:39:33,571 --> 00:39:35,091 Speaker 4: Mister Hinkle, you want to give me your full name, 656 00:39:35,771 --> 00:39:40,411 Speaker 4: Thomas Stein and your birthday or four reserve so nkel. 657 00:39:40,451 --> 00:39:42,491 Speaker 4: Before we got on tape, I told you that anything 658 00:39:42,571 --> 00:39:44,811 Speaker 4: you say to me will not be used in a 659 00:39:44,891 --> 00:39:45,811 Speaker 4: quarter law against you. 660 00:39:46,211 --> 00:39:50,210 Speaker 5: Okay, thanks, stat you have to speak of the tape. 661 00:39:50,251 --> 00:39:50,931 Speaker 5: They understand. 662 00:39:51,011 --> 00:39:56,531 Speaker 2: No investigators finally get a chance to hear what Tom 663 00:39:56,611 --> 00:39:57,690 Speaker 2: Hinkle has to say. 664 00:39:59,611 --> 00:40:01,491 Speaker 3: Yeah, Cherry made a statement to the police. 665 00:40:02,371 --> 00:40:04,611 Speaker 5: Myself and Ray King both knew something about that. 666 00:40:04,731 --> 00:40:05,690 Speaker 6: That paid their good mess. 667 00:40:07,731 --> 00:40:10,291 Speaker 2: That's next time on Alley of shadows. 668 00:40:11,571 --> 00:40:13,971 Speaker 3: I looked him straight in the eyes and I said, Tom, 669 00:40:14,251 --> 00:40:15,131 Speaker 3: you got anything to say? 670 00:40:15,771 --> 00:40:16,971 Speaker 5: We asked him what he knows. 671 00:40:16,891 --> 00:40:19,690 Speaker 4: About Deputy Singles is the knowledge of the difference of 672 00:40:19,731 --> 00:40:20,811 Speaker 4: the deputy the whole nine. 673 00:40:20,691 --> 00:40:25,291 Speaker 5: Yards we're talking with Deputy Rick Ingeles. 674 00:40:26,331 --> 00:40:30,051 Speaker 8: Silent Thunder was also the Prince begave me for Philip 675 00:40:30,171 --> 00:40:35,851 Speaker 8: John object based upon some rumors that tweakers and spread around. 676 00:40:37,851 --> 00:40:40,051 Speaker 3: We were in competition to see who could be more 677 00:40:40,091 --> 00:40:40,931 Speaker 3: corrupt than the other. 678 00:40:41,891 --> 00:40:44,851 Speaker 9: I mean, I'd like to say LAPD one, but when 679 00:40:44,891 --> 00:40:47,171 Speaker 9: I look back on it now, I think we bested him. 680 00:41:12,331 --> 00:41:14,851 Speaker 2: If you have any information or tips related to the 681 00:41:14,931 --> 00:41:19,210 Speaker 2: disappearance of John Aujay, please call two one three two 682 00:41:19,331 --> 00:41:24,011 Speaker 2: six two nine eight eight nine or email Shadows at 683 00:41:24,131 --> 00:41:29,011 Speaker 2: pushkin dot FM. 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