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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What's up, Straight

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Speaker 1: Fire Fan, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire. Wednesday, July,

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Speaker 1: Little hump Day action Baby. We got a good interview

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Speaker 1: for you. Matt Babcock. We brought him in back in

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Speaker 1: November before the NBA Draft. I know that sounds weird,

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Speaker 1: Um before the draft, and we brought him back here

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Speaker 1: because the NBA Draft is tomorrow. So we broke down

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Speaker 1: some interesting players, some scuttle butt, some rumors. I think

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Speaker 1: you like it. Babcock knows his stuff. Um, his dad

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Speaker 1: works from the Milwaukee Bucks, so he was like all

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Speaker 1: up in the Bucks throughout their playoff run. Really interesting insight,

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Speaker 1: and we try to do that, you know, we try

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Speaker 1: to bring in diverse voices. Look all already this week

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Speaker 1: we've crushed it. Ja billis Will Blackman, Now Matt Babcock.

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Speaker 1: We like to span the globe, get as many people

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Speaker 1: and as many diverse voices as possible. But before we

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Speaker 1: get to Mr Babcock, thank you guys for the nice

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Speaker 1: words about Will Blackman. He's just a genuine, likable dude.

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Speaker 1: Even though he took a shot at me at the end,

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Speaker 1: it's all in good fun. I will get it back,

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Speaker 1: fear not, no worries. I'll get it back. UM, but

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Speaker 1: I do need to say this. Uh, there's an NFL

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Speaker 1: story that I kind of want to open with. UM.

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Speaker 1: I know you guys want me to start with USA.

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Speaker 1: I ran psych was never a game. No thanks? UM.

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Speaker 1: Did you see this news late Tuesday night? Xavian Howard

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Speaker 1: just any cornerback, the number two rated cornerback in the

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Speaker 1: NFL according to Pro Football Focus, only behind Jayra Alexander. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Xavian Howard was a boost last year,

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Speaker 1: twenty eight years old. He said the following we wanted

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Speaker 1: to work things out with the offense and brought solutions

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Speaker 1: were win wins for both sides. These were proposals of

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Speaker 1: they were also kept friendly. The Dolphins refused everything. That's

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Speaker 1: Xavian Howard and again, if you guys aren't familiar with him,

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Speaker 1: They basically were able to lock down on the outside

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Speaker 1: job last year. I was I was stunned Flores coached

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Speaker 1: without Davian Howard, you can't do that. And Byron Jones,

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Speaker 1: kind of fascinating. Okay, So Henry Abbott, member guests of

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Speaker 1: Sources say Damian Lillard is willing to forego paychecks to

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Speaker 1: wants is awesome. And folks, the NBA Draft is in

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Speaker 1: Um this Damian little thing Now, the best part of

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Speaker 1: this is Henry Abbott is not a woe. He's not

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Speaker 1: um a Chris Haynes, He's not a Schams. He is

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Speaker 1: Henry Abbott. And this is fascinating to watch because it's

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Speaker 1: career outsider, Absolutely love it. Um, Damian Lillard. The list

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Speaker 1: to Mr NBA Draft. Matt Babcock of Basketball News. Jason

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Speaker 1: likes to think he knows everything when it comes to sports.

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Speaker 1: I know what sports stands want, but for everything he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's welcome into straight fire. A guy. We

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Speaker 1: last year. If you remember, um, I think we we

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Speaker 1: I think that was it is. He's Matt Babcock. You

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Speaker 1: guys know him. Babcock Hoops, does a lot of draft stuff,

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Speaker 1: and he's got some fun finals and playoff stories to tell.

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Speaker 1: How are you, Matt? I'm doing well since we last

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Speaker 1: talked to him. Imagine not with Babcock coops anymore. It

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Speaker 1: I'm doing that. Oh wow, congratulations. You know I I

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Speaker 1: bag than than zach Lavine did the same same point

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Speaker 1: in his career. I mean, Jalen's got just a knack

422
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Speaker 1: of making players put in the whole. And I think

423
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Speaker 1: he's an underrated uh playmaker. I mean, I think he's

424
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Speaker 1: he's built to be a score, but I mean you

425
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Speaker 1: really break down the film he's got. He's got some

426
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Speaker 1: some nice passing and playmaking skills to him. Fox Sports

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431
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Speaker 1: clear cut. I think there's a drop off after that.

432
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Speaker 1: But I gotta ask Matt, like, what happened to the

433
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Speaker 1: coominga stuff? You know? There somebody mentioned to me yesterday, Hey,

434
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Speaker 1: Jason look into Cominga's brother, and I was like, well, what,

435
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Speaker 1: I look him up like, I don't know. I mean,

436
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything untoward about him, But have

437
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Speaker 1: you heard anything about Cominga falling? Because maybe you know

438
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Speaker 1: his circle is you know, really relishing the fame right now?

439
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: And uh there there's some concerns that how how how

440
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Speaker 1: are they going to handle that um when he when

441
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: he hits the league. I don't know what are you

442
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 1: hearing on Cominga? Yeah, I've heard similar type of things.

443
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Speaker 1: I think, you know. My my personal take on it is,

444
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Speaker 1: I think it's sort of taken on a life of

445
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Speaker 1: its own and and kind of being blown out of course.

446
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Speaker 1: And I my colleague Derek Murder, I spent three or

447
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Speaker 1: four days with his whole crew, Uh in miamis excuse me?

448
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: In Orlando? Uh, like a month or so ago and um,

449
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: I really liked everybody. I really like Jonathan. He was

450
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Speaker 1: really impressive in workout. It's very personable with me. I

451
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Speaker 1: I don't see it being like a red flag situation

452
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,719
Speaker 1: by any means, um, you know, and you know him slipping.

453
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about a guy that was projected,

454
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Speaker 1: you know, somewhere around five. So now he's slipping maybe

455
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Speaker 1: seven or right. So I mean, is it is it

456
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,239
Speaker 1: really a big deal? You know? And so I mean

457
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: it's been a little bit change. I think some of

458
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: its circumstantial, just with the teams, the way they fell

459
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: and what they're looking for, what they're prior prioritizing. Um,

460
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: you know, I I don't. I don't consider this a

461
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Speaker 1: huge failure for him or anything like that. Though. Okay

462
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Speaker 1: when you come when you compare a guy like Moody

463
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Speaker 1: to book Night, I personally am surprised that book Night

464
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Speaker 1: is getting all the love. You know. I know, Moody

465
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Speaker 1: is a little longer and switchable on the wing, which

466
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Speaker 1: to me carries more value than just a pure shooting

467
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Speaker 1: guard wages. I think what Book Night is, I don't

468
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Speaker 1: think he could be one. Um, why why do you hey,

469
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Speaker 1: why do you have him higher in your mock And

470
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Speaker 1: why do you think teams have book Night above Moody. Well,

471
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Speaker 1: I mean we've had book that high all year, Like

472
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Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, you know, we've shifted it over to

473
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Speaker 1: we're projecting the picks. That's that's what I think Oklahoma

474
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Speaker 1: City is gonna take at six. And and I can't say,

475
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Speaker 1: you know, disagree with it. Um. You know, same trip.

476
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Speaker 1: We we spent some time with book Knight in Miami.

477
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Speaker 1: I I just I think I think he's a similar

478
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Speaker 1: what I said about Jalen Green. I think he's got

479
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Speaker 1: a chance of being a very dynamic offensive player. He's

480
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Speaker 1: so athletic in transition, I mean, he is just an

481
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Speaker 1: unstoppable I think he's just got a chance of being

482
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Speaker 1: being a big time score, which you know, it's hard

483
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Speaker 1: to find, you know guy. I mean I remember walking

484
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Speaker 1: out of his workout. I asked, asked my colleague Derek Murray, like,

485
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Speaker 1: do you do you think this guy ever average is

486
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Speaker 1: twenty points per game in the season. We both we

487
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Speaker 1: both sort of agreed, like, I think he's got a

488
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Speaker 1: good chance, you know, And so even though he's a

489
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Speaker 1: little bit one dimensional as a score and that's the

490
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Speaker 1: name of the game. Return to the ball in the

491
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Speaker 1: whole and then and he's uh, he could potentially be

492
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Speaker 1: hired gun. As far as Moody, I mean, even though

493
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Speaker 1: they're the same position, I think they're very different. Moody

494
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Speaker 1: is not very athletic, has kind of got big slow

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Speaker 1: feet for being being a guard or wing. Uh, he's

496
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Speaker 1: got a really long wingspan, so he kind of makes

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Speaker 1: up for that on the defensive end. He's he's actually

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Speaker 1: a really good defender, even though he doesn't doesn't have

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Speaker 1: the greatest footspeed or burst. Uh. And he's he's a

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Speaker 1: shot maker, and I think he's got he's like a

501
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Speaker 1: flexible shotmaker where it's not just you know, being a

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Speaker 1: specialist and hitting easy catching shoot shots. He put on

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Speaker 1: the floor hits and mid range shots. I think with

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Speaker 1: the way the games played right now, a guy that

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Speaker 1: could defend a couple of different positions and shoot the ball,

506
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Speaker 1: you know, provides a good amount of value. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny you mentioned book night and twenty points a

508
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Speaker 1: game and the Calves who you know, we were there

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Speaker 1: there at three. They're apparently trying to trade Colin Sexton

510
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Speaker 1: or that's the scuttle button. Matt, I gotta ask you,

511
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Speaker 1: did you even know Colin Sexton average twenty four points

512
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Speaker 1: a game? I didn't totally realize. I was like twenty four. Like,

513
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Speaker 1: I know, the league had some ridiculous scoring and pace

514
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Speaker 1: this year in offensive efficiency, But Colin Sexton was just

515
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Speaker 1: drafted a few years ago. He's already putting up twenty

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Speaker 1: four game. I know they're losing, you know, their games

517
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Speaker 1: or whatever. Um are you surprised at that? Um? Do

518
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Speaker 1: you think the Calves make a move on on Sexton?

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00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: You know, I mean I've I've heard the same rum bulliains.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's kind of caught like wildfire. I

521
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Speaker 1: don't know exactly what string on there. I remember, you know,

522
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Speaker 1: I evaluated Calm when he was at Alabama, and UM,

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Speaker 1: you know, my my take, I've always really liked him.

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Speaker 1: He's a very intense, intense guy, uh you know, very

525
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Speaker 1: alpha dog. Sorry, has that Kobe Bryant mentality to him.

526
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Speaker 1: And I mean, my my my best guess is that, um,

527
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Speaker 1: he's frustrated being on a losing team, and you know

528
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Speaker 1: it might might not begin along with everybody because of

529
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Speaker 1: the Again, that's just that's just me kind of you know,

530
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Speaker 1: doing the math on my own. But you know, he's

531
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Speaker 1: a talented plan. I think he's actually found his niche.

532
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Speaker 1: Uh you know where he's not. He's definitely not a

533
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Speaker 1: true point guard. He's a score and I actually like

534
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Speaker 1: him playing with Darius Garland and and being, you know,

535
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Speaker 1: being exactly what he is and not trying to force

536
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: the point guard stuff of you know, he's a green light,

537
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Speaker 1: your buck the getter. The only guy who may object

538
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Speaker 1: to that is Darius Garland because I get the ball

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Speaker 1: all right. I need to ask about the ages of

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Speaker 1: going on in this draft, and one of the most

541
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Speaker 1: one of the biggest numbers that I've seen is this

542
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: situation where uh, the kids who are twenty two and older.

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Speaker 1: I guess people went and look back at the last

544
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Speaker 1: decade who have gone in the In the first round,

545
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: one of the fifty two players drafted became an All

546
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Speaker 1: Star twenty two and older. The only guy who became

547
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 1: an All Star Pascal Siak. That's in the last decadew

548
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: If you go further back you can find a couple more.

549
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: I think Yo Kim Noah was one. There are three

550
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: of those Matt in this first round. Uh, it looks

551
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: like you've got Davean Mitchell and Chris Duarte in your mock.

552
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: Kiss Burgh is the other. Where are you on those

553
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: three guys? And do you see them falling here in

554
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: the in the coming six hours? You know, they all

555
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: seem like they're about in the same range as far

556
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: as late lottery mid first round picks. Uh, you know,

557
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: I mean that that has been the common narrative with

558
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: all three guys. I mean there was a lot of

559
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: buzz about Davian Mitchell is sneaking in the top ten. Uh,

560
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: there was There's a lot of rum ones that that

561
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: Gold Standards seven was option. I think these are things

562
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: that have kind of come back around and maybe held

563
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: him back a little bit. The same thing with Kissfurgh.

564
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: Is there older? How much upside is there? I don't

565
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: think anybody's question that all three guys are capable of

566
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: stepping in and being good NBA players. And so it's

567
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: the old song and dance and juggling act of all, Right,

568
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: how much do we value taking a guy that we

569
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: know what he is and he'll be a valuable piece

570
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: to our team, or do we want to swing for

571
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: the fences with a good chance that we end up

572
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: with with a guy that's not even in the league

573
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: in a few years or you know, irrelevant. But could

574
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, at the same time, if it clicks, could

575
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 1: be an all star local guy. And Uh, it's really

576
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: hard because I mean, you know, I think those numbers

577
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: can be sort of manipulated to make either argument work,

578
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, because it's just how many how many eighteen

579
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: ninete year olds are drafted that never pan out, you know,

580
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: And so I think it's a really really tough question

581
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: to answer. And I know teams deal with it each

582
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: each year. All right, two more. Uh, I am so

583
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: bullish on cam Thomas love his game. To me, he's

584
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: like a book night just to score, doesn't distribute, doesn't rebound.

585
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: I don't think he defends either. But it sounds like

586
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: Thomas has not interviewed well. And again I'm not, you know,

587
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: trying to rip the kid. I'm a big fan, but

588
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: it sounds like he has an interviewed. Well. This was

589
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: a guy who's was looking like a top ten pick

590
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: like five months ago, and all of a sudden, Uh,

591
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, you have him at twenty two. Uh, his

592
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: odds are dropping. If you'd like gambling lines, Um, his

593
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: overunder has been dropping here in the last couple of weeks.

594
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: We're all young Cam Thomas, and why do you think

595
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: he's dropping? You know, we haven't been as high on

596
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: him as a lot of the other media outlets have

597
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: and a lot of things that you're saying, I mean

598
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: that there's no doubt that the guy can fill it up.

599
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean, as a true freshman, everybody average like twenty

600
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: three points a game or something like that. And um,

601
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean he's he's a quick triggered guy.

602
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: And there's the fine line to walk with the guys

603
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: that are like book nighter, that are just you know,

604
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: hired guns as scores. Um, you know, I think with

605
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: with him, it's more of a preference thing. I just, uh,

606
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't like how I didn't compete on

607
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: the defensive end all the time. Uh, and really it

608
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: was just a tunnel vision score. Granted he's still a

609
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: good player. It's more like a lot of times these

610
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: conversations can tend to be negative because I'm fighting with

611
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: how highly he has been rated in the past by

612
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 1: other people. Uh, he's a good player, and I think

613
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: in l A that there's there's some people talking about

614
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 1: that l A had some interest. I don't know if

615
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: it's accurate or not. Um, but you know the argument

616
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: if it is true, you know LA hasn't win now

617
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: mode and they need some depth of guys that that

618
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: can create and hit shots and stretch the floor. So

619
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: he's a guy they could throw out there that they

620
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: probably could trust the mix of shots. Definitely. We'll wrap

621
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: up with this. Uh, you know your Bucks, you know

622
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: your dad's worked there for a while. Um, you know

623
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: it's weird. They were kind of not a laughing stock.

624
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: But oh they got the number one seed and like

625
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna choke blah blah blah. And then next

626
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: thing you know, like they get Drew Holiday and they

627
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: win the title. Um, do you think there's a team

628
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: out there that is maybe one player away? And if

629
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: there you know, hey, Bradley Beale could be out there

630
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: if you want. Is there someone out there that you

631
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: think could make a run at a player and do

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Speaker 1: what your Bucks did? Or is it or is it

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Speaker 1: just one of those things like no, listen, the Bucks

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Speaker 1: are close to begin with? Uh, Jason, you're crazy. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean to two teams come to mind, and it's

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Speaker 1: not even necessarily adding a player in Brooklyn stays healthy,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be hard to be you know. I was

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Speaker 1: that I was at that series in Milwaukee and uh,

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Speaker 1: Kyrie went down, Harden was you know about on his injuries. Um,

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Speaker 1: they would have been tough off. I mean, Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: showed that he's still one of the best players in

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Speaker 1: the world in that series, and I mean he was.

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Speaker 1: He was absolutely incredible. If you throw Kyrie healthy, Kyrie

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Speaker 1: Irving and James Harder out there, that that is some serious,

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Speaker 1: serious firepower so that you don't even need to add

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Speaker 1: anybody else. There're just gonna keep him healthy. And then, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, one thing I'm really interested in seeing is

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Speaker 1: what gold State does. Um, I mean you bring back,

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Speaker 1: you know, healthy Clay Thompson because I mean, even with

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Speaker 1: him coming off you know, back to back injuries, he's

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Speaker 1: never dependent on athleticism. I mean, I think he might,

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Speaker 1: you know, slow down a little bit on the defensive end,

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Speaker 1: but offensively, I mean, the guy is one of the

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Speaker 1: best shooters of all time and that's that's not gonna

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Speaker 1: change with him. You know, even if he does slow

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Speaker 1: down a little bit, loses a step. So I mean

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry, Clay Thompson, if somehow they were able to

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Speaker 1: get let's say Lillard or Bradley bald I mean, same

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Speaker 1: same conversation is Brookelyn Like that is a lot of

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Speaker 1: offensive firepower. I'm trying to think back, where were you

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Speaker 1: on Wiseman? I liked Wiseman Ali, I've always liked Wiseman

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Speaker 1: um and and I think he's got a lot of

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Speaker 1: negativit attached to his name right now because he didn't

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Speaker 1: finish the season very well. I think he just needs

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Speaker 1: more tired. I think he's gonna be really good. But

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Speaker 1: is that people around the league or just fans on

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Speaker 1: social media who really don't know Jack squad because these

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Speaker 1: guys are Wiseman's a bum? What are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Like if you I compared his per thirty six numbers

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Speaker 1: as a rookie to DeAndre Ayten's, they're nearly identical. I

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Speaker 1: mean a little higher shooting percentage from matan whatever. But

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Speaker 1: like I mean, Wiseman was trying to play with a

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Speaker 1: team that was put one day a few years ago incredible,

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Speaker 1: Like it was a tough fit for him. I'm not

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Speaker 1: as down on Wiseman. Do you think he could be

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Speaker 1: uh in a package for Beal some kind I mean,

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Speaker 1: I you know, I would, I would assume. So if

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Speaker 1: they're if they're discussing discussing a trade for a guy

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Speaker 1: at that you know Max, you know, franchise type guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm the other, if I'm Portland, if

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Speaker 1: I'm if I'm Washington, and we're even entertaining and offers,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a non starter. If is

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Speaker 1: not including that conversation, definitely, that would make perfect sense.

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Speaker 1: You got you got some nice young pieces there, Wiseman.

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Speaker 1: Is your is your five for the future. I mean

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Speaker 1: it makes sense to me. And they've got so many,

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Speaker 1: you know, young assets and draft picks and whatnot. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if they wanted to make a big move, they probably can. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, all right. He is Matt Babcock. You

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Speaker 1: can check out his mock draft on Basketball News dot com. Um. Alright, Matt, Hey,

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Speaker 1: enjoy the draft. Congrats you know to the Bucks obviously,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I love your work. Keep keep doing what

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Speaker 1: you're doing, buddy, now, thanks Jason keeping touching, all right,

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Speaker 1: all right, take it easy.