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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.

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Speaker 2: All Right, So this week's Thursday Therapy, We've got Talia

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Speaker 2: we Met. She's the founder of We Met through Thalia

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Speaker 2: at High End, a matchmaking agency base out of New

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Speaker 2: York City in Miami. So she has a book out

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Speaker 2: called how to Attract the Right Guy, Avoid situations, step

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Speaker 2: into wifey energy, and get him to commit. So we

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Speaker 2: don't she's not on yet, but you don't ever do this,

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Speaker 2: but because usually we just go straight into it on

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Speaker 2: Therapy Thursday. But I've got obviously Kristen and Alan today.

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Speaker 2: So while we were waiting on her, I love this

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Speaker 2: book for a couple of reasons. But I also remember

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Speaker 2: when I got divorced, someone gave me the book Why

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Speaker 2: Men Love Bitches.

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Speaker 1: I've not heard that that's an actual title. That's incredible. No, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it is never heard. I'm pretty sure it is.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible.

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Speaker 2: And it was something where I'm like, okay, because I

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Speaker 2: feel like when you're dating, you know, there's all these

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Speaker 2: things like all right, step into wife the energy, you know,

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Speaker 2: get him to commit. But and I think back on

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Speaker 2: that book now and i'm reading it, I'm like, well,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to do that because that's not me.

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Speaker 2: And so then with this situation too, like I'm really

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Speaker 2: excited to talk to her because I feel like when

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Speaker 2: it's the right person, he's going to commit. So like Alan,

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Speaker 2: it's like if I was to play the quote unquote

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Speaker 2: games or you know, not return the cat, Well I

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Speaker 2: didn't for a minute, but not because I was trying

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Speaker 2: to play a game. I just I wonder do you

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Speaker 2: guys even like that, like just be you because right

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Speaker 2: because you're gonna you're gonna commit to the right person.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think it's all about the timeframe as well. What

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Speaker 4: period of dating are you in if you just split

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Speaker 4: up with someone and you just want to have fun,

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Speaker 4: So therefore you can be whatever you can put on

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Speaker 4: whatever persona you want because it doesn't matter. You're not

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Speaker 4: looking for your husband at that point. And I guess

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Speaker 4: one of my questions is based around this, like when

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Speaker 4: does it become a point where is dating It's almost

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Speaker 4: like you need to a strategy, you know, but dating,

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Speaker 4: and that shouldn't be the case. So based on the

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Speaker 4: timeline that you're in and what you want to achieve,

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Speaker 4: when is it the right time to be yourself and

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Speaker 4: if you want to be a wife, then give off

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Speaker 4: those vibes. But that's not always the right thing at

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Speaker 4: the right time.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to sound a little ruthless, but I guess

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Speaker 1: for me, like it's a very cut and dry policy,

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Speaker 1: like I'm either dating to marry you or I'm not

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Speaker 1: dating at all. Like I've never been like a I

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Speaker 1: don't even want a second date with someone who's not

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Speaker 1: interesting to me in that way. I get that, like

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty all in, which we've seen from track record,

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Speaker 1: But you know, like I'm like, it shouldn't be a strategy,

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Speaker 1: which I hate and I agree with Alan because it

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Speaker 1: is so strategic and where do you even find real

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Speaker 2: Well, she just got on, so let's get her on

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Speaker 2: and then we'll dive right into it.

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Speaker 1: Hello, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm Janna Alan Kristen. Well, we just started chatting before

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Speaker 2: you came on out your new book that's out How

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Speaker 2: to Attract the Right Guy. And Allan even an interesting

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Speaker 2: point because I was saying, basically, I've read you know

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Speaker 2: the Why Men Love Bitches and and you Know things

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Speaker 2: to do for dating. But when I was reading those books,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I don't want to play quote unquote games.

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Speaker 2: It's not saying they're games, but I just want to

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Speaker 2: be me. And and then I was asking him, like,

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Speaker 2: as a guy, you know, do you like that? And

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Speaker 2: you basically said it was about the timing, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: You get people who date for very short periods of

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Speaker 4: time or on their own matchmaking sights, and then you

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Speaker 4: get people who you see them or you speak to them,

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Speaker 4: they've been they've been dating people for years and they've

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Speaker 4: been on dating apps for years. As a as a woman,

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Speaker 4: when does it become a point where you end up

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Speaker 4: when I think there's like a cloudy the area there,

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Speaker 5: Do you find that a lot?

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Speaker 3: So as a matchmaker and as a dating coach, I

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Speaker 3: their description, that's like trying to find a missing person

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Speaker 3: without the description. So it's almost impossible. So what I

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Speaker 3: recommend in chapter three is to make a list of

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Speaker 3: the things that you're really looking for in a person,

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Speaker 3: so that when he does show up in your life,

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Speaker 3: like this is the one who I want to start

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like love at first sight is a

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Speaker 3: I think that there's lust at first sight. I think

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Speaker 3: that physical attraction. Yeah, I think there's absolutely lest at

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Speaker 3: first sight. Yes, I don't think there's love at first

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Speaker 3: knowing who they are? But I do believe in lust

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Speaker 3: at first site for sure.

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Speaker 1: Does that translate to love at first site eventually for you?

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Speaker 1: Or do you think let's get all of that out

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Speaker 3: I think, going back to what I was saying, I

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Speaker 3: sight because I think if you really define love, that's

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Speaker 3: knowing someone's flaws. How can you love someone's flaws and

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Speaker 3: who they really are and everything they embody if you

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Speaker 3: don't actually know them.

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Speaker 1: So do you think the chemistry that you have with them, though,

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Speaker 1: love eventually, Like in the ratio of people that have

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Speaker 1: had love lust at first sight, do they transfer over

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Speaker 3: I would say it's probably pheromones and just physical attraction

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Speaker 2: Honey, what do you think it was? Because you always

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Speaker 2: say I'm staring it up because you always say it was.

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Speaker 2: I sure because we both say, you know it was

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Speaker 2: that love it quote unquote love at first. I knew

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but we had also spoken for a few weeks.

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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, sure, sure, So we.

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Speaker 4: Got to know each other, not physically face to face,

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Speaker 2: So, Alan, what would you say in you know, when

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Speaker 2: it comes to attracting the right guy and the things

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Speaker 2: that women do like so stepping into the energy, what

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Speaker 2: do you think is one of the biggest turnoffs that

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Speaker 2: you see from dating? And then I'm curious to them

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Speaker 2: to throw it back at you tell you who you

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Speaker 2: know when you're writing this, like where do you think

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Speaker 2: the women fall fall short with that, so like, what's

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Speaker 2: the guy's perspective and then this, yeah, experts for experts.

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Speaker 5: Well that's I think that's an individual thing, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, what don't you like when you were dating girls?

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Speaker 2: Like what was what was too much? I guess, or

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Speaker 2: what was a turnoff? Instantly?

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Speaker 5: Masculine women for me is a is a big thumb off?

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Speaker 3: Oh I love that. Yeah, yeah, that's my chapter two.

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Speaker 2: So can you explain that just a little because I

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Speaker 2: remember when you did help me. You you that was

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Speaker 2: the first time I ever heard that was from you

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Speaker 2: when we first started dating.

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Speaker 4: I think you find out as you get older and

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Speaker 4: as you're mature what type of women you're actually not

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Speaker 4: So a masculine women for me on a first date,

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Speaker 4: who is overpowering or what?

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Speaker 5: That's just not for me.

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Speaker 2: what would you say?

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Speaker 3: For sure? I agree with him one hundred percent. Feminine

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Speaker 3: while you're on a date with someone, how that will

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Speaker 1: So I get that.

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Speaker 1: I would agree with that though, and I would also

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because I think I did that with you too,

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Speaker 2: Like I at first I think I had a big

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Speaker 3: Feminine energy is about receiving, because what we forget is

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Speaker 1: When you met your person? Did was it tricky to

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Speaker 1: know what you know? Because you have a very you're

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Speaker 1: very educated in this matchmaking world. So is it hard

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Speaker 1: start dating someone? Now, now what you know to like

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, no, I think I I

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Speaker 3: think if any of my friends were here, I think

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Speaker 3: I'm really good identifying things and I also know what

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Speaker 3: I know myself, and I write that in the book too,

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Speaker 3: Like chapter one's about looking within and understanding who you

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Speaker 3: are so that you know what's the best match for you.

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Speaker 3: Because if you don't know who you are and you

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Speaker 1: What do you think that energy is?

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Speaker 3: It's the feminine energy. It's about like, it's about receiving.

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Speaker 4: So do you coach people personally as well, like one

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Speaker 4: to one or do you just guide them towards your book?

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Speaker 3: No, So I have two different companies. To have my

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Speaker 3: matchmaking company and then I have my coaching business. So

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Speaker 3: my coaching business, I coach men and women. And that's

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Speaker 3: if you know, if you're always out being social when

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Speaker 3: you're meeting a ton of people and let's just say

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Speaker 3: your roster's pretty big and you're just trying to learn

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Speaker 3: how to date better and get better results, that's kind

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Speaker 3: of where I come in. And I love a really

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Speaker 3: good complex situation of like, okay, we're on date three

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Speaker 3: and this is what happened at dinner, and like I

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Speaker 3: just made your advice on this, like how do I navigate?

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, they're so good. I love a

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Speaker 3: good complex situation.

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Speaker 2: I'd be so f on. Well, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for coming on the show. Everyone go grab her book

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Speaker 2: how to track the right guy, avoid situationships, step into

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Speaker 2: wife the energy, and get him to commit. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me, thank you, of course

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Bye girl, bye