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Speaker 2: comment what's the deal? OK, show, I'll see you back

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Speaker 2: there street and nothing plex.

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Speaker 3: Man, shit, I ain't doing ship. Just got back from

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Speaker 3: the gym, getting ready for football practice.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That's about it? Oh for sure, man,

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Speaker 2: it's getting ready.

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Speaker 1: Man. You know, how did you feel when you got me,

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Speaker 1: when you got your first goal record? How did you feel?

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Speaker 3: I don't just felt like I guess, uh a notch

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Speaker 3: in the belt, so to speak, you know, to accomplish

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Speaker 3: me just to you know, I guess you know that's

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Speaker 3: the reward for selling you know, X amount of records,

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Speaker 3: And I guess every artist look for that. You know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Every artist looks to go go to platinum.

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Speaker 3: And I'm pretty sure you know that is the goal

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Speaker 3: of a lot of artists. So it's an accomplishment if

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Speaker 3: you want to, if you want to, you know, look

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Speaker 3: at it in that way of getting your first goal

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Speaker 3: to platinum record.

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Speaker 2: M Yeah, that's dope. Man's it's real dope. It's a

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Speaker 2: lot of stuff, you know what. I think it's crazier now, Man,

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Speaker 2: is this streaming stuff? I still don't get it. No

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Speaker 2: matter how many times I hear it, I still don't

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Speaker 2: really get it.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you see a lot of artists really starting to

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Speaker 3: push the line on h not wanting to fuck with

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Speaker 3: the pod, I mean the stream and shit. You know

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Speaker 3: a lot of artists or thinking about doing shit on

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Speaker 3: their own pages or whatever. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: because that's probably your only way of accumulating all the

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Speaker 3: necessary dollars that you can accumulate. I mean stream nothing's

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Speaker 3: wrong with streaming, and especially if you are you know,

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Speaker 3: an artist who's first starting out or somebody that's just

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Speaker 3: trying to build their fan base.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: But you know, to artists that have been around probably

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Speaker 3: able to round to see it sustain and not fall.

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Speaker 3: And you know a lot of early eighties and nineties

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Speaker 3: artists and maybe some two thousand artists. You know, they

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Speaker 3: were brought up on a particular way of pushing music,

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Speaker 3: and those were physical copies, albums, promo tours, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: That was hard work, you know, to get out and

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Speaker 3: go sell, you know, over three hundred thousand records and up.

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Speaker 3: You know, you could sell three hundred thousand and still

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Speaker 3: get another turn around the block with the record label,

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Speaker 3: you didn't make a certain quota, you probably didn't see

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Speaker 3: another release. We had a lot of going around in

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Speaker 3: the early nineties. In the mid nineties too, a lot

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Speaker 3: of artists weren't able to sustain second or third albums

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Speaker 1: Think about it.

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Speaker 2: Back then, they if you sold three hundred thousand records,

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Speaker 2: like you said, man, you know the label was making

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Speaker 2: some money, exact money. You know, they was making a

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Speaker 2: Let's say they was playing five seventy five a CD,

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Speaker 2: they was making some real cake. That's one point seven

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Speaker 3: They were making they were making bread. You feel me?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just think about this, bro. So they get

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Speaker 3: I have no idea. You know. I guess you would

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Speaker 3: a mention of what the label made you get me.

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Speaker 2: Well, they figured back then she was going to go

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Speaker 2: may have had going on. Well, speaking of people having

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Speaker 2: other stuff going on, man, the rep stuff is just

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Speaker 2: like a soap opera now and we probably relate to

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Speaker 2: I'm here, and they was down there getting it in

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Speaker 2: you know, right, he really lucky to be sitting at home.

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Speaker 1: He got a lot going on.

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Speaker 2: Man, They talking about, you know, him possibly cooperating in

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Speaker 2: there and telling on people. And the thing was, I

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Speaker 2: why are you so surprised? Should we even be surprised

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Speaker 1: Bro?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what to you know, take

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Speaker 3: of niggas courtroom cases today. Shit is just so different,

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Speaker 3: man for themselves, like fuck that, you know, I get

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Speaker 3: caught up in some shit. I'm gonna tell, and I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna tell what happened, and I don't give a fuck.

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Speaker 3: And that's that's just the attitude that niggas are facing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they just don't, you know. I guess one of

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Speaker 2: those things, man, where they like, I'm making too much money.

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Speaker 2: I'm not here getting paid. I'm not going to jail.

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Speaker 2: Somebody else gotta go, exactly, somebody else have to go.

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Speaker 2: The funny thing about that is, man, is that most

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Speaker 2: of these guys are really prolific so called gangster rappers,

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Speaker 2: I think these cats not all Atlanta cats can shout

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Speaker 2: atl ain't with the Shenanigans. But he's starting to tell.

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Speaker 2: He's starting to talk about people, don't wear your skinny

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Speaker 2: up with some attentions. Everybody starting telling each other now,

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Speaker 2: you know, right, So it's just it's just wild, man,

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Speaker 2: And you know that's not a new thing. I think

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Speaker 2: hop now, you know, ain't none of my business. Somebody

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Speaker 1: Right to where.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's some dudes out there, some dudes and women,

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Speaker 2: out to them for whatever they're standing on. But he

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Speaker 2: gave gunn a real hard time about the snitch and stuff,

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Speaker 2: and now he turns around and does the same thing. Man,

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Speaker 2: this stuff is wild. You can't make this shit up.

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Speaker 3: You know, everybody is real big on the snitch rap

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Speaker 3: shit nowadays. You know, it's another to me, it's another

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Speaker 3: another way to create content for motherfuckers. Because that type

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Speaker 3: If niggas was snitching, you know, it was something that

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Speaker 3: to oh he a rat. Oh he a snitch? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: we gonna fuck with rats and snitches. You know it's

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Speaker 3: it's a it's a it's a worldwide epidemic of niggas

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Speaker 1: Me for real?

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Speaker 3: You know what.

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Speaker 1: The thing is broke.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, like you said, is looking for a way in

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Speaker 2: like it's like everything quakes back to streaming. Right, So

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Speaker 2: It ain't no such thing as bad publicity.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people used to say that, you know,

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Speaker 3: So it don't matter whether they talking about you a

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Speaker 3: Fuck it, the jail shit has passed. We're beyond that.

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Speaker 3: So now it's just popular for anything anything that you're

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Speaker 3: Motherfucker's gonna go see that shit or buy it just

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Speaker 3: because they're curious to see what the rack or the

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Speaker 3: snitch has has spoken about you.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 2: So actually six y nine wanted to come on the show,

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Speaker 3: just just like I felt when I was. When I

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Speaker 3: think respect my ship and who want to hear what

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Speaker 3: And like I said, respect is everything. So when you

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Speaker 3: Even if you gain you know, selling dope, it's just

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Speaker 3: No, man, I got dignity to myself. So we're gonna

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Speaker 3: I got about eight more songs to finish up. I've

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Speaker 2: That's really that's really a way of doing stuff, kind

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Speaker 3: Usually, you know, I record facts. You know, if if

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Speaker 3: I recorded. You have read the spot before. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: So you know what that probably comes from the era

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there was always a good process for me because,

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Speaker 3: You know, there wasn't you know, the home studio era

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Speaker 3: they were all reproduction shits. So yeah, and you can

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Speaker 2: So how long how long did it take you to

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Speaker 1: Just sent you?

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Speaker 3: I shit, I finished the record you sent me shit.

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Speaker 3: I was writing the verse while we was on the

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Speaker 3: I get a beat. It don't matter if I think

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna use it or not. It might be appealing

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I've done a lot of shit like that to where

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Speaker 3: and I'm my own worst critic. I'll be like, I

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Speaker 2: One day, because you probably got so many and you

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Speaker 2: got all your records on deck, don't you. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: it like nah, it's dead and throughout a dislike of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I try to. I try to.

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Speaker 3: I've saved you know, their songs I have that I've

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Speaker 3: people put that ship out like it's it's still cool,

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Speaker 2: It's like that man Kanye West passed on, not Kanye West,

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Speaker 3: And then another thing about me is I got to

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Speaker 3: That's how I can tell if it's for me. If

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Speaker 3: seven of these motherfuckers. That's the type of motherfuckers I

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Speaker 3: this nigga wore and you know, next thing you know,

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Speaker 3: put for hand on. Yeah, that's how shit gets started today.

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Speaker 3: You know, back in the days, you used to have

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Speaker 3: and you know, it's the age of you know, everybody's

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Speaker 3: Just give me the credit and give me my pugnishing

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Speaker 2: I feel like the Day's era eight. That's what you

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Speaker 2: I hadn't been making beats for a long time, right,

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Speaker 2: Because the thing in hip hop that changed it sounds

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Speaker 1: You feel me like you can have some shit like.

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Speaker 2: You gotta kind of listen to what people is doing

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Speaker 2: out like I remember certain like certain snares are timeless,

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Speaker 2: like eight to Wait is just the timeless thing that's

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Speaker 3: The eight O eight is what of those like you said,

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Speaker 3: it's timeless.

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Speaker 1: You always had a way.

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Speaker 3: I was bred off at eight o eight. My nigga

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Speaker 3: DJ slipped, he was an eight oh eight master, So

435
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 3: it was beautiful in in songs when that extra big

436
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 3: ass boom come in and uh, you know, we were

437
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 3: very heavy on the eighth eight kick and ship.

438
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: Ya should always had beating and yo should always knock.

439
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you who kind of like got me

440
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: with eight o eight man was mister Mixed. Mister Mix

441
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: taught me because I got some booming ass stuff, right,

442
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: I got this one. I'm about to send you man

443
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 2: as one of them. I actually got some crazy bass stuff, right.

444
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: You know, they got like real trunk. We know we

445
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: come from the app the era, right. I hear a

446
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 2: lot of kids now and they be having a knock

447
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: and beat, right, But I listened they ate the weights

448
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: and not be like they're still a rookie because they

449
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: just got they aid to wait by itself, right. A

450
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: lot of people don't know like and I'm pretty sure

451
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: slip and tell you you have to kind of like

452
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: with it either way. You gotta count like without turning

453
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: this into a production show. You gotta do some shit

454
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: to it. You feel me right, because you want that

455
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: ship to world when it hit you. Ever hear some

456
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: people's weight is something like a base like it ain't

457
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: beating like it's supposed to, but you put on something

458
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: like you put it like when you listen to like

459
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: Little John Ship, his ship was slapping, This shit was smacking.

460
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: You feel them, you feel me. It's just that feel, right.

461
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: I think you just got to add you from trunk

462
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: ratherless man still count. I think that's why Dre's last

463
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: album's album, last album Drean Snoop did. That's why I

464
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: don't think it was received that well, listening like it

465
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: was just all me and in trouble count. Hip hop

466
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: is about the base man.

467
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get you know, nice with your production

468
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 3: as far as you know, if you want to step

469
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: away from the you know, the foundation of boom back

470
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 3: sound or the eight h eight kick sound, you know,

471
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: listen to Nick you know, you can listen to the Kendricks.

472
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 3: You can listen to you Know, you can listen to

473
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 3: the Jay Rocks, you can listen to the Ygs, or

474
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 3: you can listen to a lot of these newer artists,

475
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 3: the NBA Young Boys and all those dudes down South

476
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: and they get you know, musical with some of the ship.

477
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: Now they come with you know, hard kick shit that

478
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: we're used to. But you know, it's just the way

479
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: that you have to be able to fit certain shit.

480
00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: You get me. Sometimes you can't. You can't some times

481
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: you're trying to fit a square through a circle. You

482
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 3: feel me, it's just not gonna work. I don't give

483
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: a fuck how pretty it look or how you know,

484
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you got you know, musical harmonicas and orchestras,

485
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 3: and you got just big building sounds and shit. But sometimes,

486
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: like I said, the ship looked pretty, but it's still

487
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: a square you're trying to fit in a circle hole,

488
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: and it's just you know, sometimes we just was sticking

489
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: with it. Sometimes we just gotta stick with the regular

490
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: circle fitting in the circle hole you go with.

491
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: Shoot a layup dog, you know what.

492
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: You know what One of the dopest tracks of all

493
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: time to me was Explosive was probably my favorite track

494
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: that I heard them dudes on like over there, you

495
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: know tray and all them right. Well, actually my boy

496
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: Christal Glove did that beat. Shout to Christal Glove. But

497
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: it was just a kick, a snare, a bass and

498
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: A and a guitarist drump.

499
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: My ship was the difference. Difference. That ship was simple

500
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 3: but just bang.

501
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: And that's it.

502
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: Hey, you kill some ship like that, Yeah, that's my

503
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: type of ship. If I'm gonna do some fast up tempo,

504
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: they gotta be that type of ship. You know, niggas

505
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 3: be trying to overdo it, that's all. And I understand,

506
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: you know when you got artists like Ken, Drinke and Drake,

507
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: and you got the Rick Ross's and you got the

508
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: clips new ship and you listen to motherfuckers and you know,

509
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: you got you know, their ship is you know, you

510
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: don't listen to some of their music and go, oh,

511
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: this is the typical ship. Like I'm in the Homeleies

512
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: living room and he made a beat and it's just simple.

513
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: And some of the ship is built on a gang

514
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: of platforms and ship. But yeah, you know what, to

515
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: a lot of people times, sometimes the niggas needs simplicity.

516
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: Simplicity works out, you know, Yeah, Simplicity works with a

517
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: lot of people.

518
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I try to give people.

519
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: I try to give artists a full course meal, right,

520
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: Like I think I got certain signature stuff I do, right,

521
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: But for the most part, I like to give people

522
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: a full serving. Like sometimes I go theatrical and build

523
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: some stuff up. That's when I might bring my string

524
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: duty in and have him do some live cinematic shit,

525
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: you know. But when I do do that, I'm always

526
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: trying to perfect it, Like you not go here, Like

527
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: I'm just real funny about stuff, like even the keys, right, Like,

528
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: when I want a certain build up or something, I

529
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: may go get a real keyboard player, right like, so

530
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: we could play that on a real key I think

531
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: all that makes a difference. Like when you listen to

532
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: shit that we just did, you could tell it's a

533
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: lot of thought that goes into that, you feel me,

534
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: because it sounds almost like a movie. We setting up

535
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: a movie. You remember I told you I always want

536
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: to hear you over some Justice League type of stuff. Yeah,

537
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: because I always thought that would have been really interesting.

538
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: Man. I think you just got to go there.

539
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: That's the fun side to me of really, of really

540
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: putting the record together and producing it right, figuring out, okay,

541
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: we go put this right here, and I want you

542
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: to come here and smash you feel me, just for

543
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: like a straight sixteen, right. I think that's the fun

544
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: of this stuff. But then sometimes you got to have

545
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: the sense, like you said, sometimes it don't require all that, man,

546
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: Sometimes it just me a kick and the snare and

547
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: the string.

548
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: And that's it right there. Some like I said, simplicity

549
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: works for you know a lot of shit. It just

550
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 3: works for some people. You know, as far as their

551
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 3: music is concerned. You can capture a big audience with

552
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: with with some with the simplest sounds. But it just

553
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: gotta be good, you know. You know who.

554
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: I used to see you all the time. I used

555
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: to always see Warren z up. And you remember, Phil,

556
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: You stayed in North Beach for minute, didn't you.

557
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: I didn't stay in North Long Beach, but I had

558
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: a lot of people that stayed in North So I

559
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: was in North Long Beach probably.

560
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: I don't know why niggas swerp it down. I got

561
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: a couple of homies to swerve it down. They lived

562
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: by you in North Lone Beach. That's that's crazy, you

563
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: because you was probably over there so much.

564
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: I was over there.

565
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 3: I was. I was in North Long Beach a lot.

566
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: My sister lived in North Lone Beach. A lot of

567
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: my people's damn used to live in North Long Beach.

568
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: So it was. I used to be there every day.

569
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: At one point, at one point in town, I used

570
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: to drive from Corona and I would just go sit

571
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: up at my sister house or at the Homis house

572
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: all day because nobody else lived out where I lived.

573
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 3: So and and I was still, like I said, I

574
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: was still gravitating to the city. You know, I had

575
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: matured enough to learn that sit your ass home. That's

576
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 3: what you got it for. You got that piece out there.

577
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 3: But yeah, at one point I was in North Long

578
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 3: Beach every day.

579
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 2: You remember the Velvet Underground. There was a record store

580
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: in Atlantic called the Velvet Underground, right by the ninety

581
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: nine cents Store, probably not anyway, it was a record

582
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 2: store over there, man, a vinyl record store. I used

583
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: to see Worryings in there all.

584
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: The time, you know.

585
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 2: That's when they had records for like twenty five cent

586
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: a dollar two dollars.

587
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: Man.

588
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: He would walk in there and just be grabbing stuff,

589
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: and I would be in there grabbing stuff too, right.

590
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: And it was just a process, man, because you really,

591
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: like you used to really have to do some shit.

592
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: Now that shit is kind of automated for you, you know.

593
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: And I embrace the technology I ain't want of them

594
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: dudes to sit up and say, oh, man, well you

595
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: know what, we gotta go do it like this.

596
00:34:59,560 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: They don't know.

597
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: I went from having to have a whole like racks

598
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: full of equipment, man, and now all that stuff is

599
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: in my laptop. I got more sounds from this drive

600
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: sitting next to me than I ever.

601
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: Yes, like you said, a lot of shit is inaccessible

602
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 3: now with the Internet and AI and all of that shit,

603
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: A lot of shit is easy to gather up nowadays

604
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 3: than they used to be.

605
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: Like you said, music ain't gonna have more soul though

606
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: to it? Why should I tell you?

607
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's I don't know if somebody can even you know,

608
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 3: asks what's the state of.

609
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 1: Hip hop?

610
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 3: And then I don't even know if I want to

611
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: say that, but what is the state of reality music

612
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: right now?

613
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: You know?

614
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: I al would say, like, like, it's Kendrick reality music. No,

615
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: he talked about some but Kender to me is more.

616
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: People call him a conscious rapper. I think he definitely.

617
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: I think he definitely got a little bit of gangster

618
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: in him. I think it's a certain gangs to his music.

619
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 3: And then you know, then you have you know what

620
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: I like to call rich rap you get me. Yeah,

621
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 3: you know, when everything is spoken upon the wealth that

622
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 3: you have accumulated, and not that it's wrong that you know,

623
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: some people, I guess when you come from nothing, you

624
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 3: want to floss your wealth, you know. But I don't know.

625
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: It's just a difference between how certain niggas live their situations,

626
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 3: and it's that is that considered reality as far as

627
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: you know, when you're trying to tell tales of the

628
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: neighborhood or struggles or you know, just trying to get

629
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: ahead and poverty, and you know, there's still a lot

630
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: of people out here that's faced with the uphill battles.

631
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 3: And you know, some people incorporate that in their music

632
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: or some people just make you know, neighborhood music, neighbor

633
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: you know, reality music about the struggle. And then there's

634
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 3: niggas who you know, claim they came from the struggle.

635
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: But now I want to glorify my wealth. Is that

636
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 3: the structure of where hip hop has taken us to.

637
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 3: Now you have a resurgence of you know, older generational

638
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: m seeds who are stepping back up to stepping back

639
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: in the battle's box. So the same m.

640
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: Hmm, I think what it is, man, is people still

641
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: have that in the bug inside of them to want

642
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: to compete, right, They want to wrap right, You start

643
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 2: rapping for a reason unless something wrong with you. I

644
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: don't know too many people that started rapping just for

645
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 2: the come up part of it. I think they found

646
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: something they was dope at and just start, you know,

647
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: kind of as they got involved and got doper and stuff,

648
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: it became part of their lifestyle.

649
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying, right, I.

650
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 3: Mean, money is the roote, and you know it can change.

651
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: It can change you when you start collecting. You know,

652
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 3: when your wallet start getting a little fatter and you

653
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: are able to pull up, you know, but sometimes you know,

654
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 3: it takes maturity to get to the point to where

655
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 3: you rather you rather you rather stack your wealth than flossy.

656
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: Get this levels to it, though, right, this levels to it.

657
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: You know. I haven't seen Kendrick Man. And maybe last

658
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: time I saw him we was the Interscoptes recording studio, huh,

659
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: and we was up there just really chopping it up.

660
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 2: He's still the same dude, right, I'm pretty sure ain't

661
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: much change. He's definitely rich now, but he stayed who

662
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: he is. Man He's still the same dude like you

663
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: talk to him. He's still a regular dude, right, And

664
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: I think most of those guys I tell you what,

665
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: have changed his access. And I think it has a

666
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: change for you know, for a certain thing, like you

667
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: know whereas and I got Dot's number and I ain't

668
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: never even tried to call him.

669
00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: You know, do you think being don did in a

670
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: different type of MC and person allows him to not

671
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 3: want to jump to what a lot of artists do

672
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 3: when they become successful, you know, or see nigga at

673
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: the club throwing out money. We don't see you know,

674
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 3: the braggadoshes, you know my G five jet, my two

675
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: new made backs. You know we eat now that mister Chiles,

676
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 3: or or at the at the Prime Statehouse, or you

677
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 3: know we we on the vacation yacht with you know,

678
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: with you you know, because niggas, a lot of niggas

679
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: start off with the struggle, right. A lot of niggas

680
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: who start their careers who get on that level, started

681
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 3: their careers with I'm a nigga like you in the struggle.

682
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: I'm a struggler like you.

683
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: Well, you know it's hard to stay there though, checked

684
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 2: this up right, when I first met that dude, dude,

685
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: he was eating cheese burgers, man and Louis chickens, Louis Burger,

686
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: you know, with that Louisiana chicken and Louis Burger and stuff.

687
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: You know that dude is wealthy now you feel me,

688
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 2: So I'm pretty sure.

689
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: But it hasn't changed the way he thought from when

690
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 3: he first started grabbing the mic.

691
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 2: Oh no, And I'm pretty sure he's still And I'm

692
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: pretty sure he loved a rap because I.

693
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 3: Like, like, like like he got a billion dollars, but

694
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: he don't talk about I got a billion day.

695
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: He don't show about no money.

696
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: There was something there's there's a lot of artists who

697
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 3: start off with I'm in the struggle like you, and

698
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: I'm pome pretty stricten and my mama and the homeiets this,

699
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: and then they make a billion dollars and the next thing,

700
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: you know, it's, oh, it's all about we popping, you know,

701
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: five thousand bottle of the liquor and Nigga there is.

702
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: That's where they are.

703
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: So they're there there what braggadocious flossters and they've always

704
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: dreamed of that. But unfortunately, you know, in the beginning

705
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 3: cause niggas who niggas if you are, if you're a

706
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: og hustler from the gate, you know what I'm saying,

707
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 3: And you bringing in big weight a lot of niggas,

708
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 3: didn't you know that? That's that's what it is. From

709
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 3: from the gate. You gonna always know I had money.

710
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: But if you was a struggling nigga like a lot

711
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: of motherfuckers and going to a nine to five or

712
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: trying to make ends meet, and all you doing is

713
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: flipping little packs and you ain't whatever whatever, and your

714
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: struggle as being like a lot of motherfuckers, why do

715
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 3: you feel like, Okay, you've made a million two million

716
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 3: off a rap and now you want to act like

717
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: you always was walking around in for coach and pulling

718
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: up with in yachts and ship like that.

719
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: Shit just confused. It's it's who people are for real. Like,

720
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 2: when you don't have ship, you can't be an asshold

721
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: of nobody because ain't nobody gonna tolerate your bullshit? Right,

722
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: But when you start getting money and influence people who

723
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: always was like that, they gonna turn that way. They

724
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: can't avoid it, right because it's just in them now

725
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: before they was broke they couldn't talk no shit like

726
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: get the fuck out with the bullshit, broke motherfucker.

727
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: But now.

728
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: They didn't talk that ship when they was broke, when

729
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: they when they was broke and was talking the same

730
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: ship that we all talk as being broke struggling and

731
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 3: trying to survive. But then, nigga, you you go and

732
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: do something and I'm I'm nigga, I don't need ship.

733
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 3: I'm glad for your come up because you was able

734
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 3: to do that. But don't act like and don't start

735
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 3: talking like your whole life has been motherfucking private planes

736
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: and motherfucking bit Lee coops and shit like that. Nigga.

737
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 3: You know, don't forget there's a gang of niggas over here. No,

738
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 3: when you had holes in your son, tell you now.

739
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you now.

740
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: When Top was in my league, Top was in my

741
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: Top's kids, Man was in our league Man for a

742
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 2: few years.

743
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: Right, they was there.

744
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 2: I would say, man, because I was there with Top

745
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: when Top was just you know, they was TD still,

746
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: but they wasn't quite the household name that they had become, right,

747
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: so his kids was kind of come up in the league.

748
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you when they got money and stuff. Man,

749
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: they couldn't do it. They couldn't stay there no more.

750
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 3: You know.

751
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: I remember somebody a broken top wife car and he

752
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: called me to talk about man, you let somebody rob

753
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: my wife? And you know we got two hundred some

754
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: parents out there. I didn't have a think, but I

755
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 2: think because he bigger man, I'm top dog, big dog now, man,

756
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: he just couldn't stay dog, you know, outside, and he

757
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 2: moved and stuff. It's just man stuff flipping things. Because

758
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: the thing is everybody changed. Now his kids can get

759
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 2: They already got everything they want, but now it's magnified.

760
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: They lived in this big, beautiful house and the stuff

761
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: is far right. It ain't as far before. He was

762
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: just right over the you know, he was right down

763
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: to ninety one. But now it's a trip right. So

764
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 2: he couldn't stay not because it got flossy, but because

765
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: it got different. As a tension comes on the person,

766
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: there's certain stuff that they can't.

767
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: Do no more.

768
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: Bro Oh, I understand that. But my thing is, you

769
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: don't just because you upgrade your housing and upgrade your

770
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 3: motherfucking uh, you know, your status, do you change who

771
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 3: you are or do you remain the same motherfuckers. I'm

772
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: just stay in the bigger house now. I just staying

773
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna approach motherfuckers who've known me from day

774
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 3: one with the attitude like I'm the president of the

775
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: United States now. And it's all like you said, some

776
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 3: niggas may be broke as a motherfucker and poverty stricken

777
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 3: and living in in the rundown one bedroom crib, and

778
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: they still have the attitude like, Nigga, I'm gonna be

779
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: the biggest motherfucker on the planet.

780
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: And some niggas that attitude, then Nigga, let motherfuckers know.

781
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: And see, that's the thing right there, right the one

782
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 2: thing that motherfuckers need to remember, the eight is when

783
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: we lay down that casket at the end of our life, man,

784
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: and we facing the turnity and going through judgment. All

785
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 2: that money, all that prestige, all the women, all the

786
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: things that you had on earth that you pretty much

787
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 2: worshiped and love and everything, none of that is gonna

788
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: matter because you and the that died there was a

789
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 2: hobo and died penniless. Y'all the same now, y'all too

790
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 2: dead people facing the turnity about to get judged, right,

791
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: So I think, man, that it's important for people to

792
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 2: realize that just because you got a few more dollars

793
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: than somebody, man, or just because you blessed with certain things, Man,

794
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: it don't make you no different than nobody else. I

795
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 2: know it may seem that way, and you know that's

796
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: because we have this thing man nowadays, to where we

797
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: worship people, right. You know, it's almost like people worship

798
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 2: you got guys, you got girls that they look for

799
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: the cat that got the bag. They looked for the

800
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: dude that got a certain amount of notoriety. Right because

801
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: everybody from the its Top Knox dying piece, Instagram model

802
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: to the bus that brought the work at Taco Bell

803
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: think they're worthy of being taken care of for the

804
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: rest of their life by some nigga. All of them

805
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: had that fantasy, that prince charmy fantasy, somebody is gonna

806
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 2: come and rescue me one day.

807
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: And to the reality that they the butter start.

808
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: Uh huh. They better take that nigga that got the

809
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: job out the friend zone. Man, they get with him,

810
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 2: because that nigga is selling dope. Ain't gonna have nothing

811
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 2: but problems for you. You gonna be in out of penitentiary.

812
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: You're gonna probably beat you up. You gonna be tearing

813
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: your stuff up. You're gonna give you a gang of

814
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: kids and ain't gonna be around you. Better shake that,

815
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: dude and get with the square because I'm gonna tell

816
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: you all the squares, our new eight in high school

817
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: and then when we were young, them dudes is all

818
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: filthy now.

819
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I always said, and I'll say it again

820
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: that it's okay to be normal. Everything ain't for everybody.

821
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: I played football up until high school, but I knew

822
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna be no NFL football player. And you

823
00:48:54,320 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 3: know reality, So you know, being normal, being books, smart,

824
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 3: going to school, getting good grades, going to college. There's

825
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 3: a lot of people in this world right now that

826
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: walks the normal walk. If you're advanced, if you're advanced

827
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 3: in the brain and you're able to, you know, advance

828
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 3: in school and advance in college and take steps to

829
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 3: where you can secure your financial future, that's great, you

830
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 3: feel me. And then there's some motherfuckers who don't end

831
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 3: up working at the grocery stores, and there's people gonna

832
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 3: end up working at the airports doing the luggage. There's

833
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 3: people gonna end up working at the ore refineries, and

834
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 3: then we're gonna have doctors and lawyers and people who

835
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 3: invent shit and every Like I said, everybody don't have

836
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 3: to do wherever they.

837
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: Can get it in there.

838
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 2: And you know it's crazy, man. This is what I

839
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: would telling young people that do listen to the show.

840
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 2: So everybody can't go to college, right, everybody?

841
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: Not.

842
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: College is not for everybody. But I'm gonna tell you

843
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: what I am a fan of. I'm a fan of

844
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: them trade schools, man, where you could learn how to

845
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: become a plumber. As a primage, you learn how to

846
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 2: go be a an electrician, to where you can go

847
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 2: learn how to do stuff. I think those good jobs, man.

848
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 2: Some of them cats man made two or three thousand

849
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: dollars a week. My homeboy to do air conditioning dog

850
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: that nigga made twenty seven hundred dollars a week. Eight

851
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: that's not bad money.

852
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 3: There's a kid I coached that's you know, was on

853
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 3: my son's team. Great kid. He would come over spend

854
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 3: the nights week during the week when they all went

855
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 3: to school together. Great kid played hell of a football. Unfortunately,

856
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 3: like you said, a lot of kids don't get offers

857
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 3: to go to college to play the game of their dream.

858
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 3: You know, shit that they've been playing since they were

859
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 3: five years old. For some senior in high school, is

860
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: it No, it don't matter if you played.

861
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: Right, you get me.

862
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 3: Some kids don't even make it out of Pop Warner.

863
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 3: So great young man went off, knew he wasn't going

864
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 3: to college to play football, got into the workforce construction.

865
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: Shit that motherfucker is Karan speaks on him all the time.

866
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 3: You know, tell me this time me that he worked

867
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 3: and he's this, and he got two cars and you know,

868
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: money saved up, just like another one of my one

869
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 3: of my assistant sons. They he have four. You know,

870
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 3: I coached one of I coached one of his middle

871
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 3: sons whole football career. But his two older sons we're beast,

872
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: you know, playing football. We're beast. You just knew they

873
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 3: were going to college to play football. You know, when

874
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 3: you don't get an offer, you take another route. Motherfucking kids.

875
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 3: A firefighter works on the motherfucking place where the planes

876
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 3: fly out, you know, saving grip, you know, taking trips

877
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 3: to Europe and shit like that. Sometimes you have to

878
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 3: take another route in your life.

879
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: You feel me U.

880
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 3: Just like with myself, if if if God didn't give

881
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: me the ability to be able to create songs, not

882
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 3: just rap, but the ability to create songs and do

883
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 3: shit like the movies and the voice over ships for

884
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 3: the video games and now the podcasts and being able

885
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 3: to still go on the road and do shows. There

886
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: would have been choices you have to make. Now you're

887
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 3: gonna gang bang and sell and go to prison, or

888
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 3: you're gonna go to a trade school and learn how

889
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 3: to you know, do some shit, or go to the

890
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 3: oil refinery, or or hit up your dad. Your dad

891
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 3: works for General Motors on as simply, you definitely probably

892
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 3: got in there, you know what I'm saying. So it's

893
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 3: just choices you have to make when you come to

894
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 3: that mother's fucking fork in the road, so to speak.

895
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: Ma Chic.

896
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: And I'm a firm component man of going to a

897
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: trade school, man of learning with trade man, or even

898
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: going to go be an all over cannon. I remember

899
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: they had the shop classes when I was coming up,

900
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: when I was in school. I don't know if they

901
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 2: got those no more. But you had homies who was

902
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: in the car man who had to take apart motors

903
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 2: and all kinds of other stuff, man, and then the

904
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 2: cast is making bread.

905
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: Now, dude, it's all kinds of ways. Man.

906
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 2: I think that sometimes America has this habit man of

907
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: sensationalize and everything.

908
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: Right.

909
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: So if you're a rapper, they make it look like

910
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: so sensational, right, if you were asking, they make it

911
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 2: look so sensational, like everybody is rich and the truth feels. Man,

912
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 2: Most rappers make mediocre livings if you can make the ones,

913
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 2: you know.

914
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: The middle class rappers. They have middle class rappers.

915
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 3: There's a lot of niggas who had albums, you know

916
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, who maybe only got that one spin

917
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 3: around the block and thus meant, Okay, I ain't making

918
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 3: no money off of music.

919
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: You get me.

920
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 3: So it's got to be something that I can get into,

921
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 3: you feel me. It all depends on how prideful you

922
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 3: are about you know that that run you had. Like

923
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 3: I said, some of us can thank God that we're

924
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 3: able to what I like to say, we just we

925
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 3: can ride the wave. You get me to save like, like,

926
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 3: I know what's coming from Brand Nubian. He got a

927
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 3: job in the hospital. He probably that stuff on his Instagram.

928
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 3: You know, people he going to work, you have to, like,

929
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 3: I don't understand it, because people will ridicule you, especially

930
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: a former artist or star or anyone that had something

931
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 3: to do with entertainment. And it don't matter how long

932
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: or short your run was. If it was to the

933
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 3: point to where people knew who you were, then you

934
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: can't fall from grace dignity, you know, with dignity because

935
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 3: people won't let you because you could just be a

936
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 3: regular motherfucker that's trying to get along in life. And

937
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 3: you know, I got kids to feed and the bills

938
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 3: to pay, and people will ridicule you for being a

939
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 3: nigga usual, Well didn't you didn't you have a record

940
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 3: or did you have me out? And what you're doing

941
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 3: working at the gas station or what you're doing working

942
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 3: at you know, you.

943
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 2: Know, do you know that the adage? What's the adage?

944
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 2: I just had them a tip of my tongue. But

945
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: people like seeing stars fall from Greece kind of right.

946
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: People have people's you know, not all people. Some people

947
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: don't have this agenda to where if they see somebody

948
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: in the same position as them now, it's almost like

949
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 2: they feel it's their job to ridicule them.

950
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 3: Like like feeling like, Okay, I put out a couple

951
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 3: of records. They were successful, but then the run stopped. Okay,

952
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 3: so now you want to make fun of me because

953
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 3: I gotta get up and do what you do every day.

954
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 3: You every day, you gotta get up right, punch a

955
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: clock or work somewhere for eight to twelve hours and

956
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 3: you come home and you get a paycheck. But because

957
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 3: I put out a couple of records, and now that

958
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 3: I have to, you know, grow up and put my

959
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 3: like they say, you got to put them big boy

960
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 3: draws on, and you know, I not unless I'm gonna

961
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 3: go do some underworld shit. Now, you can always make

962
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 3: that choice or start selling dope and going.

963
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: You know what that's like.

964
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 3: It's not like you ain't made plenty of connections over

965
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 3: your years of going to different states and meeting different niggas,

966
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 3: and you know, if you've had a you know, mid

967
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 3: successful career, but you just have to make that choice

968
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 3: and then.

969
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: So but it's a bunch of people, you know what,

970
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 2: it's a lot of people obviously that go that route, right.

971
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's hard. It's hard, and I know niggas

972
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 3: like that today, right, niggas maybe had a brief run

973
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 3: or you go been trying and trying and career never

974
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 3: just took off, you know, and you telling, motherfucker, well,

975
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 3: maybe this shit ain't for you, my nigga, especially if

976
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 3: you look up and we the age we are down.

977
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 3: You still trying and you still ain't done nothing significant.

978
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 3: Maybe you need to go, you know, get you a

979
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 3: job at the hospital, or go drive for Amazon. Man,

980
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 3: let's niggas be like, fuck that, I can't do that.

981
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 3: Ship I can't.

982
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: I'm glad you still get shows and ship through because

983
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: I couldn't see you working at the mother for the

984
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 2: ball and see that's a lot of motherfucker You would

985
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: just have to me. I would try to, you know,

986
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: start my own business or something like that.

987
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 3: You know, I would try to take the resources from

988
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 3: the motherfuckers that I've met over the years, and a.

989
00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: Lot of homies do that.

990
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: A lot of home He's got trucking businesses, you know,

991
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 2: the only fiend I know, the holy fiend, he drive trucks.

992
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: He got a trucking business. That's something I would have done.

993
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 3: I would have went out here, use some of my

994
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 3: rap resources that I had left when I bought me

995
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 3: a truck and got on the road and built that up.

996
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 3: And you know, you just have to come up with ideas. Man,

997
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: if you want to.

998
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: See you being I can see you being a truck driver. Man,

999
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. My father in law man drove trucks.

1000
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: Not my father in law. My stepdad drove trucks man

1001
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 2: for like forty years.

1002
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: Right. I wish that I would have learned that trade, man,

1003
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: I would I would have loved to do that. Man.

1004
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: Can you've actually just going to go be out in

1005
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: that open road?

1006
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: Man?

1007
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 3: It was a as a as a kid, you know,

1008
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 3: traveling across country with your family to go to family reunions.

1009
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 3: We always drove, and so I was always talkated when

1010
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 3: we would pull up at truck stops and you see

1011
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 3: the diesels with all the lights and ship niggas had

1012
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 3: they shit fan see it painted and all that shit.

1013
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 3: And there was always a fascination you know that getting

1014
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 3: a diesel, even as a young nigga for diesel, Nigga,

1015
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 3: I tell you, I tell my peoples all the time.

1016
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 3: Right now, like maybe down the road a couple of years,

1017
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 3: we might have to invest and get them some truck.

1018
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: Man. I'm thinking about eight. Real.

1019
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: My wife's family is into that, right, and they all

1020
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: do very well, bro is it? They all you know,

1021
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 2: six figure they're doing good, you know what I mean.

1022
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 2: They're not no podcasters, They're not no thing. Them dudes

1023
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: making one hundred and fifty undred, sixty thousand.

1024
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 3: Years a lot of work. It keeps you away from

1025
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 3: your peoples. But you gotta imagine if if if you

1026
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 3: got a significant other or a homey that's real, your

1027
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 3: peoples and they retired or you whatever. Man, you got

1028
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 3: company on the road, man you everywhere, it don't matter. Shit.

1029
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 3: It ain't like you got young kids at home and

1030
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 3: gotta be around for schooling and all of that. And

1031
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 3: so it could be very lucrative if you're able to

1032
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 3: stay out on the road for a significant amount of town.

1033
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 3: And if you, like you said, if you're the type

1034
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 3: of person who are used to traveling, you know, like

1035
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 3: I am. I'm used to being in different states every

1036
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 3: other weekend and shit like that. So just being out

1037
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 3: on the road, you know the ins and outs. You

1038
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 3: feel me, You know that the thing is man you

1039
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 3: by you, by yourself. Have you ever been inside of

1040
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 3: one of those trucks?

1041
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, thew motherfuckers.

1042
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 2: Man, my step pops, Man, Pop said this truck man,

1043
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 2: and where you go up in there? You got the bed.

1044
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: It's a TV up and there. I'm talking about the

1045
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 2: TV like he got a wall you around, or DVD

1046
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 2: players and all that stuff. Man, it's a real crib.

1047
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 2: You know this is over there, it's a profrigerator. I'm like, man,

1048
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 2: because they told me. You know, my mom used to

1049
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 2: go and they was like, well, we're cooking us a steak.

1050
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, Mama, where you at y'all got a room? No,

1051
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 2: we cooking a steak on the truck.

1052
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 3: Man. It's about that time. What time you got to

1053
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 3: go to prexict today? When I'm getting ready to add

1054
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 3: to practice in about thirty minutes. Man, we're gearing up

1055
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 3: for our first game this week. We got a Marietta

1056
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 3: Broncos this Saturday at seven pm. So we got us

1057
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 3: a real night game for my boys.

1058
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: You're all out there, man, in the in the Empire?

1059
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: What city is that? In a Corona?

1060
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 3: Be in Corona at Santiago High School, Corona.

1061
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: Man, If y'all want to go see some good football

1062
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 2: and watch my boy eight, what is you know? I

1063
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: ain't gonna say it's his coaching debut because he's a

1064
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 2: veteran coaching right now.

1065
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 3: We'll go check. I'm in coaching for a while, so

1066
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 3: I went, I'm back at it, and uh, you know,

1067
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 3: we just have to have some fun. Make sure these

1068
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 3: boys have a good time before they get ready to

1069
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,959
Speaker 3: go to high school. Learn some shit, be disciplined, learn

1070
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 3: some uh you know, some some some teammates ship and

1071
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 3: and and that's what it is.

1072
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: Man. That's it.

1073
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: Well, that concludes another episode of The Gainst the Chronicles podcast.

1074
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 2: Be sure to download the iHeart app and subscribe to

1075
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,800
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1076
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