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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome to the Foundations podcast. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson, and today I'm talking to meat Eater's very

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Speaker 1: own Max Barta about the obligation we have to our

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Speaker 1: dogs to try to develop them in the best way possible.

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Speaker 1: So this is a fun one today. I actually met

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Speaker 1: Max through meat Eater here. He's been a videographer with

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Speaker 1: us for a couple of years. Super good guy. We

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Speaker 1: filmed some deer hunts together and I found out pretty

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Speaker 1: quickly that Max is crazy passionate about bird dogs and

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Speaker 1: he has an awesome dog, Ruby, who not only did

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Speaker 1: he train himself, but it's his first real bird dog

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Speaker 1: and she's an amazing dog. So I wanted to kind

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Speaker 1: of get his process on how did he get the dog,

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Speaker 1: how do you learn to train, and how did he

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Speaker 1: how did he go about developing this dog to be

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Speaker 1: so special, which is what we cover in pretty deep detail,

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Speaker 1: go into steadiness, recall, just different methods and just a

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Speaker 1: lot of really good, useful information here from somebody who's

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Speaker 1: young but went through the process the right way. So

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Speaker 1: I think there's a ton to learn here and I

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna really like it. Max Barta, how are

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Speaker 1: you today, Buddy.

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Speaker 2: Tony psha, I'm doing well?

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Speaker 1: Are you good? For the listeners? Before I get into this,

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Speaker 1: Max and I go way back. We actually spent ten

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Speaker 1: days together filming some hunting shows two years ago, and

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Speaker 1: we got to be, I would say, the best of friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say.

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Speaker 1: So. I made you climb into a tree stand for

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Speaker 1: the first time in your life in the pitch black,

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Speaker 1: and what was amazing is I've never had this happen.

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Speaker 1: I sent you up into the stand because the cameraman

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Speaker 1: always goes in first, and I could actually hear a

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Speaker 1: little bit of p dribbling down the steps because you

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Speaker 1: were so scared.

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Speaker 2: Yes, do you remember that that did not happen? But sure,

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Speaker 2: and I had.

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Speaker 1: To give you some wipes when we got up there,

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Speaker 1: and that was really awkward.

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Speaker 2: No, that did not happen.

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Speaker 1: But that did not happen. We actually had great hunts

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Speaker 1: hunted with my daughter. Got to watch her. She was

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Speaker 1: a spike. She was super happy I shot a deer.

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Speaker 1: But that's not what I want to talk to you about.

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Speaker 1: You have you know, we have this big initiative going

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Speaker 1: on at meat Eaither where we're finally taking dogs. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: I know we've had this foundation's podcast. I know, right,

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Speaker 1: this is what they hired me for like four years ago.

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Speaker 1: And Steve Ranella was like, we talk about cats, we

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Speaker 1: don't talk about dogs. And finally I went over as

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Speaker 1: head to the CEO and here we are, but out

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Speaker 1: of everyone in this office, and there are dogs in

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Speaker 1: this office constantly. We're out in Bozeman right now, out

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Speaker 1: of everyone here. I mean, people know callan snort. But

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Speaker 1: you and Ruby have showed up in a lot of

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Speaker 1: different hunts, a lot of hunts with Steve. She's an

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Speaker 1: amazing dog, and that's what I wanted to talk to

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Speaker 1: you about. You're a young fella, but that dog is

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Speaker 1: such a sweetheart, legit, and I just wanted to go

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Speaker 1: through a little bit about your process of how you

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Speaker 1: got her and you trained her yourself, which is where

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Speaker 1: I really want to go with this because when you

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Speaker 1: see I think when a lot of people see a

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Speaker 1: dog like her, they would assume, you know, especially a

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Speaker 1: guy in the industry, that you ship that dog off,

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Speaker 1: had somebody else do all the work. You brought it back,

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Speaker 1: followed the rules, and there you go. A great dog,

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Speaker 1: but you did it all yourself. And we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into that, But I want to go back to

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Speaker 1: the beginning. Have you always had dogs?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess. I we had a family dog. I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't say it was like a true hunting dog when

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Speaker 3: I was middle school high school. It was a GSP

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Speaker 3: and we got it as a family dog. But then

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Speaker 3: also like my dad and I kind of half ass

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Speaker 1: So was the idea with this dog more to be

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Speaker 1: a house dog or more to be a hunting dog. Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I would probably say like seventy thirty seventy percent house

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Speaker 1: Right, So if you if you're leaning that way, you

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Speaker 1: have to get a hunting breed, yeah, right, but it

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean you see so many dogs out there

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Speaker 1: And so did you train that dog.

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Speaker 3: Uh No, we shipped it off okay for like four

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Speaker 1: No more training, no more training. Uh Who? So was

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Speaker 1: it your dad's idea to get a GSP?

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Speaker 3: I think it was like that time where it was

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Speaker 2: We can hunt over it. Like, let's get it.

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Speaker 1: What were you gonna hunt with it? Peasants?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so you shipped it off. It got trained

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Speaker 3: To some level, and like it was just like I

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Speaker 2: And but like just lack of retrieving.

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Speaker 3: You shoot a bird, he would go to it, look

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Speaker 3: and not bring it back to you. You would go

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Speaker 1: So could you toss a bumper for that dog and

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Speaker 3: A little bit, nothing too serious, so nothing like a

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Speaker 3: lab you know, right, So it was just like I

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Speaker 3: don't know, it was just like I said, like he

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Speaker 1: So I mean that is a that is not an

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Speaker 3: Oh no, especially like being like a father and a

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Speaker 2: The bear minimument is like.

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Speaker 1: Perfect, you know, right, But I mean I mean from

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Speaker 3: Was like it was kind of shocking, to be honest

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Speaker 1: It and he performed like a dog that was raised

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Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, how did you go? So there's a

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Speaker 1: we don't look at dogs like we're gonna freaking love

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Speaker 1: you know, you get exposure to Golden Retrievers when you're

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Speaker 1: That's the first dog you hunt over. Some people never deviate.

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Speaker 1: They're like, I am a Golden Retriever guy till I die,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I've always I went through that route

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Speaker 1: But it's like a very common progression for people to

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Speaker 3: Honestly, like I mean Toby, that was the GSP family

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Speaker 3: Passion for waterfall hunting just took like an extreme mountain climb.

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Speaker 2: You know. They weren't really big duck hunters.

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Speaker 1: Who was that?

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Speaker 2: His name is Joe Flatland.

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Speaker 1: What was he to you? What was he to me?

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Speaker 3: He was honestly just a guy I pestered on Facebook

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Speaker 3: to like take me hunting.

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Speaker 2: And we went to the same high school.

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Speaker 3: He was probably like five or six years older than me,

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Speaker 3: but I alway knew him and he was a great

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Speaker 3: like I just pestered the crap out of him to

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Speaker 3: of birds too, But it was something funny. We never

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Speaker 1: So okay, lay out that scenario for me then, Like

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Speaker 1: what kind of hunting are you doing with a guy

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Speaker 1: who's obviously pretty hardcore who's not running dogs?

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Speaker 2: Field hunting?

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, a lot of cornfields, a lot of wheat fields,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, just field hunting mostly, so like you don't

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Speaker 3: necessarily need a dog, you know, right?

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Speaker 1: What was that his rationale?

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Speaker 3: Like you, I honestly don't know. We just never used

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Speaker 3: was wasn't exposed to it at his age growing up

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Speaker 3: or what, but yeah, we just never really used dogs.

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Speaker 1: So you grew up kind of as a pheasant hunter, yep,

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Speaker 1: you know, started getting the bug a little bit. There

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Speaker 1: you go get to hunt with this guy finally takes

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Speaker 1: you along, which is there's a pretty good lesson there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not I'm not condoning reaching out to

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Speaker 1: pestering them till you take them hunting or they take

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Speaker 1: you hunting. But that kind of thing where you know,

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Speaker 1: and this applies to dog training in a major way,

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Speaker 1: just talking to her, she's like, he's stubborn, tons of

441
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 1: energy right on down the line. Started to get a

442
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: little nippy with some of the people coming to her house,

443
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 1: and in my head, I was like, oh, there's like

444
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: a it's gonna be rough. It's gonna be a tough one, yeah,

445
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: a challenging one. So right before I flew out here,

446
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: I met her at a park and I brought a

447
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: cado board. I brought a thirty foot check cord and

448
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,959
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just gonna hang with this dog and

449
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 1: just see that dog was placed, was placing for me,

450
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 1: and I was using treats. But still ten minutes after

451
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: I got there and she was like, I cannot believe this.

452
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 1: I'm like, you have a little working dog here that

453
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: has had no structure, has had no stability.

454
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: I had no job maybe too.

455
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,479
Speaker 1: Write no confidence, which is a big one. And just

456
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: anchoring that dog's attention with a placeboard, you could feel

457
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 1: it like shift. I mean it know. I maybe spent

458
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: an hour with that dog and I started with that

459
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: just to see because I could see it would sit,

460
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: like if I get its attention, it would sit and

461
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: do a few basic things, so it wasn't like total

462
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 1: blank slate. Took it for a walk, let it run

463
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: around a little bit, brought it back and did place

464
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 1: and it immediately recognized that. And I was like, you don't.

465
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't think you have a stubborn dog here. I

466
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: think you you looked at this dog and thought it

467
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: was stubborn because you doesn't do what you wanted to do,

468
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: but you just you just didn't know how to ask

469
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: it the right questions yet. But even just seeing the

470
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 1: way that that dog related to that place board was

471
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: such an eye opener. And you see that with you know,

472
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: young dogs, if you work that that is like a

473
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: can be such a positive association. It's such a signal

474
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: to them that like good stuff's gonna happen and you're

475
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: gonna earn it and they love that. So that's that's

476
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: interesting to hear.

477
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like, especially when you have a puppy, if

478
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 3: you make training like the highlight of their day, they're

479
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 3: gonna want to train every single day, you know, which

480
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 3: I think is a big like making everything fun and

481
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: exciting and like I said, like whatever that objective is,

482
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 3: whether it's place training for setch just fetch, you know,

483
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: make it the best thing ever for that dog.

484
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: Right, And that's I mean, it's that's like we look

485
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: at it and go, well, I want to train my

486
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: dog because I want my dog to be good at

487
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: this and this and this. But when you say that,

488
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: what you're saying is I'm building that team. Yeah, that

489
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: bomb and that dog wants that team like it doesn't

490
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: want you just to be the boss, like it wants

491
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: to work for you. And when you start that off

492
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: like right off the bat and condition them to like, hey,

493
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: you're going to interact with me in a way that's

494
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: gonna be fun, and you're gonna get rewards and we

495
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 1: are going to be like we are working together. It's

496
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: not just me showing up and like you got to

497
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: run through these drills and like, I mean, you can

498
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: get a dog someplace with that. But it's if you

499
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: look at it that way, like as the team aspect,

500
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: and it's like you're instilling in that dog from eight

501
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: weeks on that you are the source of that structure,

502
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: but also that fun tied into the structure and their

503
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: ability to please you or like their their opportunity. It's

504
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: a game changer for the rest of their life. It

505
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: literally sets them up to be better dogs and more

506
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: confident dogs forever for sure. Yeah, So when you got Ruby,

507
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: you weren't working at Mediator yet. You were working in

508
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: the industry doing some filming and stuff. But you had

509
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: no idea that you would have to train that dog

510
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: to the point where you were going to take it

511
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 1: with Steve Vanella and film in and it was gonna

512
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: end up on Netflix.

513
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: No, well she never ended up knowing Netflix.

514
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 1: She did it.

515
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 3: No, I mean we've done some stuff with Steve, like

516
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: just like fun fun hunts and like some stuff on

517
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: YouTube like the busting and the boys stuff right took

518
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 3: Cowetzel country music artists out. That was pretty sweet. But yeah, no,

519
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 3: I like never in my world did I thought I

520
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 3: was ever gonna run that dog with as many people

521
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: and as I have in like as many places as

522
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 3: I have either.

523
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: Does does it make you nervous taking that dog out

524
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: with you? Know what I mean? Because this is you know,

525
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: you talk about taking cod busts with the boys, like

526
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: this is a weird scenario. For Like, it's probably kind

527
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: of hard for people to understand that you might be

528
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: come into the office and find out that next week

529
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: you're hunting with three dudes you've never met for some

530
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: kind of project or something, and you're running your dog

531
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: and your dog is going to be like a central.

532
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: Part of that. I mean.

533
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: Not really, No, I wouldn't say it makes me nervous,

534
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 3: Like I mean, my first instincts are like, is she

535
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: gonna be safe?

536
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: Are we gonna have fun?

537
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: You know? Like, well, I mean that's that's part of

538
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, yeah, I know. I mean you

539
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: want your dog to perform for sure, Like when you're

540
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: in that situation, you don't want your dog to you

541
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: don't want the wheels to fall off. But also hunting

542
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: with people you don't know with your.

543
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 3: Dog, Yeah, that part sometimes makes me nervous for sure, right, yeah,

544
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: but that all goes to like proper training, like not

545
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 3: breaking you know, and like setting some rules with those

546
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: hunters too. Is like, hey, when I send that dog,

547
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: no more shooting, right, you.

548
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: Know, does everybody follow the rules as they always have?

549
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: They always followed the rules.

550
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: Yes, for the most part, I've never had any like

551
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 3: big scares or close calls like that knock on wood, right,

552
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: And so I'm super thankful for that. But yeah, I've

553
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: like and like another big thing is like hunting with

554
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: a small group of people, like everything's controlled, it's nothing

555
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 3: too crazy. Yeah, because like once you get with those

556
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: larger groups of people, that's when there's lots of gun infractions.

557
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: You would say, right, you know, yeah, that can be

558
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 1: a rough situation. But that's I mean, you brought up

559
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: something there that's like super important. I think, you know,

560
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: if I've written about this a ton, but I think

561
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: the two hardest things to train into a dog, or

562
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: like at least two that are way up at the

563
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,239
Speaker 1: top of the list are steadiness and recall. You know,

564
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: like they're so unnatural for dogs to you know, come

565
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: back to you when there's something more interesting to sniff

566
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: or chase or whatever. And to get a dog to

567
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: sit down and wait to do what it wants to

568
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: do more than anything in the world with a high

569
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: stimuli environment, Like it's just tough, right, But both of

570
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: those have that safety aspect. And when you talk about that,

571
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: like a duck dog specifically that isn't steady, people hate

572
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: that right because it's jumping out, birds are flaring whatever.

573
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: It's like a it's a bad deal, but it's also

574
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: a very unsafe situation. You've got that bird knocked down

575
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: in the water and that dog's supposed to stay there

576
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: and somebody's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna finish.

577
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: That green off for whatever if it's a cripple, you know.

578
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: Right, and then your dog takes off. So there's a

579
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: We sort of tend to frame that up as like

580
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: a dog with really good recall or a dog with

581
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: really good steadiness or both is a great dog, which

582
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: is true, but it's also not just about like you

583
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: having a good dog. It's about you having a dog

584
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: that's going to be safe in spite of what it

585
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: wants to do and in spite of what's going on

586
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: around you with you know, your hunting buddies or whoever

587
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: you happen to be with.

588
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean I can't stress that enough as

589
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: like a steady dog is a safe dog, you know.

590
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: So how did you work that into ruby?

591
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: Oh? Just repetition, repetition.

592
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: Give me an example, like a drill.

593
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: So uh, I would say, I mean the first thing

594
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 3: that comes to mind is live pigeons, just like not

595
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: even I wouldn't even say it's a drill, but like

596
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: in a sense, it kind of was like I just

597
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: kind of like came up with this myself. It's like

598
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: just having that pigeon with its wing wings clipped and

599
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 3: you walking around with that dog on heel, like that

600
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 3: dog is like ready to pounce, you know, twenty four

601
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: to seven, and like just like walking up slowly, walking

602
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 3: up to that pigeon and then walking away from it,

603
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: walking back to it, walk away from it.

604
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: And like even just like another like kennel thing too.

605
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 3: You have that dog place or like in kennel and

606
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: then you're walking around kicking up this pigeon and it's

607
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: bouncing left to right all over the place and like

608
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: that dog is in its kennel around place the whole

609
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 3: time and does not leave until your release commands or

610
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: anything like that. So yeah, I don't even know if

611
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 3: that's not either.

612
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean, well that's like advanced levels. Yeah right, I mean,

613
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean most people would be really happy if they

614
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: could heal their dog or place their dog, chuck a

615
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: bumper and wait thirty seconds before that dog took off.

616
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: For sure.

617
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, I guess like at a basic level, that

618
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: starts from when that dog's a puppy.

619
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: You have it sit, you put.

620
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: Food down in front of it, you release it by name,

621
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: You wait five seconds, ten seconds, five minutes. You just

622
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: build up that those building blocks, yep, and then you

623
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: can transfer that into the just regular fetch too, just

624
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: with a bumper. Have that dog at heel, sit and

625
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 3: put position, throw that bumper and you wait and the

626
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: yeah forever how long? Like I said, the same thing

627
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: with the food five seconds, ten seconds.

628
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: And that starts early early, So this is that's that's

629
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: what I was hopeing you would say, there's like an

630
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,719
Speaker 1: sorry I jumped in, No, No, that's all right. Uh,

631
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: there's like an escalatory feature built into good dog training,

632
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: where that making a dog wait to eat when it's

633
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: a puppy for three seconds or five seconds is the

634
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: foundation of steadiness. And you know if you skip that,

635
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: you're you have more difficult work to do later that

636
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: might not stick the same way you'd want it to.

637
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: So you do that, and then it's five seconds, then

638
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: it's ten seconds, and then you start working on that

639
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: retrieving design or that retrieving drive and working on those

640
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, now you got to wait three

641
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: seconds to get that bumper, and it's that dog's conditioned

642
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: to that, Like the reward's going to come, I just

643
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: have to earn it exactly. And then you get to

644
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: the point where you're like, Okay, I'm gonna do big

645
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: distraction training like with a live pigeon, which is a

646
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: like a huge, hugely difficult thing for them to do.

647
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 4: As you get a cripple doctor, right, I always like,

648
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 4: I always say that's like if you took like a

649
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 4: fifteen year old boy and you're like, you're going to

650
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 4: learn algebra, but you're going to learn it in.

651
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: A strip club. They'd be like, this is really hard

652
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: environment for me to focus in, you know, But maybe

653
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: that's a bad analogy a little. But when you think

654
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: about how how people screw up training that, like because

655
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: that's a that that skill is a long game thing,

656
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: that behavior is a long game thing that will will

657
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 1: test them. Like when you you could do that with

658
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: the pigeons and get a dog to that point where

659
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: it's so rock solid and take it on its first

660
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: duck hunt and it's going to break. Yeah, because now

661
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: you've changed the rules and now you're like, here is

662
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: we're at the top of the mountain, buddy, and it's

663
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 1: like they're just going to do it.

664
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not is that dog going to break? It's

665
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: when right?

666
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: You know, right, But that's a that's another thing to

667
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: look at. So you build in all these layers and

668
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: you're like, that is important to me because that's a

669
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: good duck dog. That's a good dog, but it's also

670
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: a safe duck dog. But you get to that point

671
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: and you go, I can see into the future and

672
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: I know when this dog's gonna screw up, right, Like

673
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: when that distraction comes, Like you can see this. I

674
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: saw this yesterday. We were filming some stuff you did too,

675
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: where if there's another dog out there working and it's

676
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: visible that changes the entire dynamic, especially if you're working

677
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,959
Speaker 1: with a young dog. Even if there's that other dog's

678
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: three hundred yards away chasing a frisbee. That's a big

679
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: attention poll yep. You know. And so when you think

680
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: about that where you're going out there for that first

681
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: duck hunt with Ruby and you're like, man, I know

682
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: what's coming. I mean, oftentimes the best thing to do

683
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: is be like I'm going to be the dog handler

684
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: and I have somebody else who's gonna shoot the woodies

685
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: or whatever, because I know what we're dealing with, and

686
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: I want to be on top of this the break

687
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: in the behavior chain right now, because I can see

688
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: it coming.

689
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like that was another big thing too, is

690
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 3: like when we started actually going on hunts, there was

691
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: those first couple of hunts, was it was not possible

692
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: to have a shotgun in the blind when like I

693
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 3: was like worrying about her the whole time, Like you

694
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 3: either had to handle the dog or simply just not

695
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: like having a shotgun there. Like you can't have two priorities.

696
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 3: You know, the birds weren't a priority. It was the

697
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: dog was a priority, you know. And so like the

698
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 3: best thing was like just not even bringing a shotgun

699
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: on those first couple of hunts. You know, it's just

700
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 3: working that dog, working that dog.

701
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: Yep. Well, and that's a like I was. I was

702
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: actually talking to Lake Pickel this morning about starting you know,

703
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: he runs labs. He lives down south in Mississippi, and

704
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: we were talking about starting our dogs. You know, if

705
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: you get a spring pup, starting them on doves, you know,

706
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: there's usually the first person you can go after, or

707
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: they can be highly scoutable. Uh, you know, you can

708
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: set up on a dead tree next to a cattle

709
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: tank and at least shoot some out of the tree.

710
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: If you can't shoot or whatever, Like, you can get

711
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: your dog a bird, right, And in my world, a

712
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: lot of times that's either doves or it's woodcock because

713
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: they're the first kind of small bird opportunity that's really good.

714
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: But when you do, when you when you pay attention

715
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: to those opportunities, then you have those chances to like again,

716
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: sort of take smaller steps with your dog, right and

717
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: recognize like it's not a it's a different thing to

718
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: load up you know, the duck boat and have all

719
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: your decoys, and it's like we got to get to

720
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: the landing at two o'clock cause we've got to beat

721
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: everybody to the point whatever, versus being like, we can

722
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: wear you know, our T shirt, yeah right, and a

723
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: handful of shells in your pocket with somebody else and

724
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: go to those scouted doves, work a couple birds for

725
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty minutes, try to get that one good positive

726
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: thing going and then leave or the was you know

727
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: the wood ducks that you know are coming into the

728
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: pond or the creek bed every day, and it's like,

729
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get that. You don't want to start

730
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: on that big production hunt because you know those things

731
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: are gonna go wrong and you would rather have that

732
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,959
Speaker 1: mostly be a training experience versus being like a hunt

733
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: for yourself for sure. So you find somebody you trust

734
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: who can run the gun, and you're like, okay, now

735
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: that's a short window, but of like a really important

736
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: one for you to be like, I'm gonna tap down

737
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: my ego and my desire to kill something and I'm

738
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: gonna let somebody else do it. Well, I walk my

739
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: dog through this part, because once we do this, like

740
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: the next STEP's a bigger one. But when this one's

741
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: in place, it's a really good one to have, and

742
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: if you skip it again, you're in trouble.

743
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like Ruby's first hunt was a dove hunt

744
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 3: out here, and yeah, I think we I mean we

745
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 3: had a lot of shooting, but like I didn't do

746
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: a lot of shooting, you know, I did some after

747
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 3: like I was like checking on her. I was like, yeah, okay, nice,

748
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 3: easy one comes in, I'm gonna shoot, and like, but

749
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: I was shooting like this the whole time, like almost

750
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: just keeping a close eye on her because like if

751
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 3: if anything happens, like as far as like she creeps

752
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: or she breaks, like you got to be on that

753
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 3: right away, yep, before she gets that bird, that reward.

754
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: You know, that's another big thing too.

755
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: Right well, and that's a lake and I were actually

756
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: talking about that this morning. That's a that's the thing

757
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: that happens a lot when you hunt two dogs, like

758
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: not necessarily in the waterfall world, but in the upland

759
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: world a lot where it's easy to sort of view

760
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: it as a success if you have the young dog

761
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: and an older dog out and you're killing some birds. Yeah,

762
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: but what you're doing with that young dog or not

763
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: doing with that young dog matters a lot, and you

764
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: might be missing training opportunities, or you might be offshoring

765
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of the important learning experiences to the old

766
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: dog because they know how to do it better and

767
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: you can get into a little trouble there. So it's

768
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: like a it's something that you have to facilitate and

769
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: be aware of. And I and I think that that's

770
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: like a I think we missed that a lot of times.

771
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people think, well, I

772
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: go to you know, my bird hunt is you know,

773
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: pheasants in South Dakota for five days every year and

774
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: that's what we do. The rest of the time, my

775
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: dog just trains and it's a house dog. Or I

776
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: love to hunt X, Y and Z, and that's all

777
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: I do. And it's like, man, when you have that

778
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: dog that you're developing and all of these behaviors that

779
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: you want to stick for the rest of that dog's life,

780
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, maybe don't be above woodcock like or not.

781
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: I should even you know, yeah, I shouldn't even say

782
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: it that way, Like maybe consider every opportunity you have,

783
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: like I know.

784
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: Even pigeons too, you know, like setting up on a

785
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: dairy farm and shooting a couple of pigeons. That is

786
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 2: great dog training and low low steaks, right, you know.

787
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: I had that's the first birds I shot over Sadie

788
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: were pigeons at a farm by my house, and you know,

789
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: she loved it. I love it. Like pigeon hunts great.

790
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: I know, of course, like it's it's like it's not

791
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: duck hunting. But at the same time that it kind

792
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 3: of is like you're decoyed them. That spinner's going.

793
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah it's and it's just a low pressure deal. But

794
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: that's a you know, this is maybe a totally side

795
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: tangent here, but this is one of the things that

796
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: drives me a little bit nuts about a lot of

797
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: the hunting community right now. Is I hear how there

798
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: are no opportunities on public land for this bird, this,

799
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: you know, big game animal whatever. I'm like, man, there's

800
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: something out there in an awful lot of places. And

801
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: one of the things that I go back to a

802
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: lot is the woodcock migration. You know, most people that

803
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: I run into aren't like die hard woodcock hunters, right like,

804
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: they would rather hunt grouse, they would rather hunt pheasants.

805
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: Something like that's like a low usually like a low

806
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: priority bird but their migration is pretty consistent in a

807
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: lot of places, and they don't know they're landing on

808
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: public land in the suburbs, you know what I mean. Yeah,

809
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: And so if you were to go try to find

810
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: wild birds around my house where I live in the

811
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: suburbs of the Twins, these I can find wood ducks

812
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: and teal because they're doing the same thing migratory. And

813
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: I can find woodcock very consistently on a lot of

814
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: public land that you will never find a grouse or

815
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: a pheasant or anything that might traditionally live there because

816
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: it's just just not going to be there. But there's

817
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: a window during that season where all of a sudden

818
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: you can have pretty cool you know, wing shooting and

819
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: upland hunting there, especially with a young dog or whatever.

820
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: And it's it's not like, you know, maybe not your

821
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: dream hunt pheasant hunt or whatever, but it's like an opportunity.

822
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: And maybe with that six year old dog you don't

823
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: want to do that, but that eight month old dog,

824
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: that's a different thing. Like that's that is going to

825
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: benefit you and that dog forever. Yeah.

826
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: And like growing up in North Dakota, yeah, we had doves,

827
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: but then we also had early season Canada geese end

828
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: Like Canada geese are everywhere too, and like, yes, I

829
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: know for a young dog like that is a big

830
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: bird pick up. But like Ruby's first waterfall hunt was

831
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 3: a goose hunt out here and like yes it was

832
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 3: struggling of like picking up those birds and carrying them back.

833
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: But it's the same premise.

834
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: Is she steady? Is she marking the birds? And like

835
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 2: are we having fun?

836
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: You know? I mean you take what you have.

837
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

838
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: So like you talk about the woodcock, the teal, the

839
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: wood ducks as like my opportunity for Ruby that first

840
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 3: her first fall were doves and geese.

841
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you work, you literally have to work with what

842
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: you exactly and just try to set them up for that.

843
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: So how old is she now?

844
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: She's gonna be five in July.

845
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: And she is uh, super duper pregnant, super duper. So

846
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: you decided to breed her?

847
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

848
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: Where did that come from?

849
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 2: That was kind of like also with like.

850
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,959
Speaker 3: Me getting her, one of the stipulations was like hey,

851
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: like we're gonna do this and we're gonna bread her

852
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 3: when time's right.

853
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: And so you were just that was just it, huh, yeah,

854
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: are you taking a puppy.

855
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: I'm not taking a puppy from this litter. So my

856
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: wife and I, how hard is that? I don't think

857
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 3: it's that too difficult.

858
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: Is it hard for your wife?

859
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so she doesn't want a No, well,

860
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: I mean I think we're gonna do like probably like

861
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: maybe a couple more litters, and so this first one

862
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 3: is probably not.

863
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: I don't know.

864
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 3: We're just my wife and I are just not ready

865
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: for a puppy right now. So, I mean, my wife

866
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 3: is there. When Ruby was a puppy, when she was

867
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 3: my girlfriend of like three months, right, and that first

868
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 3: fall was a big task and a big ask from her,

869
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 3: like because I was alwa obviously traveling.

870
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: But so she had her hands on that puppy a lot.

871
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, big time.

872
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 3: And she was also going to grad school and trying

873
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 3: to finish the masters, and yeah, I put a lot

874
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 3: of stress on her, Yeah, a lot.

875
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: So, but yeah, we don't need puppy right now. So

876
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: it's not what am I trying to say, It's not

877
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: like a big concern for us right now.

878
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: Right, she's five, I know, so you're like, I mean

879
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: probably within the next couple of years, right, Yeah.

880
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 3: For sure, yeah, because like I mean, some dogs people

881
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 3: hunt them to what ten, but like at that seven

882
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 3: eight range is like they're kind of like down going

883
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: down the hill, you know, ye, slowing down and hunting less.

884
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: And I mean they're just they're workhorses, so like it's

885
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: just like an old car engine, like they're just gonna

886
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: slowly go down, you know.

887
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, yeah, I got to I have a

888
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: fully retired lab right now. Sure. I felt like I

889
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: waited a year or too long.

890
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: To how old did you get the suit?

891
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: I waited until I got the puppy when Luna was eight, Okay,

892
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: so I was I was going to get one a

893
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: year earlier, but I didn't really want to get divorced,

894
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: and so I decided not to. I highly doubt that

895
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: I'll wait that long now. So Sadie turned forward this spring,

896
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: and I think, I don't know, within two years for sure,

897
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: maybe maybe next spring. I mean, I haven't decided yet,

898
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: but I'm just curious about that because it's like it

899
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: just flies by when you have that prime age dog,

900
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: and they are just like autopilot, you know. I mean,

901
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: they're fun to train, they're amazing to hunt with, Like

902
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: you know what they're going to give you and they're

903
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: going to give you everything. But then that it starts

904
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: to like hit that window you're talking about where I

905
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: feel like with Luna, I probably saw, you know, the

906
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: recovery time started to take a little longer and like

907
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: maybe like a little of the edge come off throughout

908
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: the day at eight and then by ten I was like, oh, man,

909
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: like for sure she's still gonna go. But it's just,

910
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's just that's just what happens. But having

911
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: two dogs is a big consideration.

912
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a big commitment too, right, and not

913
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: to mention it's like a one dog is already expensive

914
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: for like food that bills. Now just put another one

915
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: on top of that, you know. But yeah, at some

916
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 3: point we will we will get another dog, and it's

917
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: probably gonna be from Ruby too.

918
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: You think. So, Yeah, do you find yourself she's a

919
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: really good dog? Yea, like really well trained. That's why

920
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you, because for it to

921
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: be your first dog that you're like really working through

922
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: and like committed to, she's awesome. Uh, do you find

923
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: do you find yourself thinking about what you're gonna do

924
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: different with the next one?

925
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 3: And number one thing is like and like this would

926
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 3: be so much different if I could dedicate my time

927
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 3: twenty four to seven just to like a hunting dog,

928
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: but I always can't, you know, like I have to

929
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: have that hunting dog but also a family dog. And

930
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: like one one big thing I would say for my

931
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: next dog is no tennis balls, right, which is huge,

932
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 3: you know, but like if I'm away, a simple thing

933
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 3: for the wife to go do is go to the

934
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: park and play chuck it for twenty minutes, you know.

935
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: And like, so do you say that because it teaches

936
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: your dog to spit that out?

937
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say spit but chomp. Oh okay, yeah, And

938
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 2: like I've had to do some training of like.

939
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 3: Just like creating that soft mouth again, you know, and

940
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 3: like yeah, I mean she's no dog is perfect, right,

941
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: but like I can definitely see a correlation between that

942
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: chuck it.

943
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 2: Right and like her chomping on birds.

944
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so yeah, I would definitely say no

945
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: chuck it, no tennis balls.

946
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big thing, man. That is so common.

947
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean that, y I noticed that with my dogs.

948
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: With my dogs, I don't notice is the hard mouth

949
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: thing coming in as much as just them testing the

950
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: boundaries or whether they got to hold the whole time,

951
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: like because they'll come back and spit it out at

952
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: my feet. If if my dog's like if my wife

953
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: and kids take them up to the lake, I know

954
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: it's the chuck it situation, and I know there's a

955
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: pretty good chance the first time we go out to

956
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: the park or wherever, that they're gonna just try just

957
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: like Andy, they know, but they're like, Okay, well I

958
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: got away with it, and it's like, I don't know

959
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: it just it's it's a good lesson that not only

960
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: everybody who has a hand on your dog should follow

961
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: your rules.

962
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: They might exactly.

963
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: And that's another thing I was going to say, is

964
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: like there's got to be a commitment from you in

965
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 3: training this dog, but then whoever is watching this dog

966
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 3: when you're away, right, you know, And like thankfully Alex

967
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 3: has been like super.

968
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: Great about.

969
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: Making her heel, making her sits listener by name, like incredible,

970
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: Like I sometimes still get on her about it, like hey,

971
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 3: just remember, like make sure she sits and if she's

972
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 3: like creeps, get her back at heel. You know, but

973
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: there's got to be a commitment from both, right, both people.

974
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: So that is a it's a really tough thing. And

975
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: I mean it only gets tougher when you have kids,

976
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: oh god. But it's just it's a good reminder that

977
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: you can put in tons of work like you did

978
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: and learn and figure out how to really level that

979
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: dog up and create something super special with it. But

980
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: you can't. Oh you can't take your foot completely off

981
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: the gas their whole life.

982
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like that's another thing too, is like I

983
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: would say, in the last like two summers, training has

984
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: become not really.

985
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: A priority.

986
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 3: It's almost like, oh, I trained her up to here,

987
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 3: Now I can let the foot off the gas, but

988
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 3: I you can't do that, you know, like you still

989
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 3: got to keep her sharp keeper, keep challenging them, keep

990
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: them using their brains too, because like how much brain

991
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 3: power does it take to like watch a tennis ball

992
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: go out in the field, go out, grab it and

993
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: come right back and do that twenty thirty times?

994
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: You know?

995
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 1: Yep? Well, I mean that's a We filmed some content

996
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: on that yesterday about different environments, thinking through what like

997
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: why would your dog be bored? Or is your dog

998
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: bored in this situation? Most likely yes, because we sort

999
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: of muddy the waters between actual training and just getting

1000
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: your dog some exercise exactly. And you know, I mean

1001
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: working with your dog's great, but like you said, if

1002
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: you're not challenging their brain and doing some different stuff

1003
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: with them, they're gonna get bored and you're gonna have

1004
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: behaviors manifest out of that aren't great. Yeah.

1005
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 3: And I'll be the first to say, like, the last

1006
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 3: couple of years, I've been bad about that.

1007
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a very consistent thing when

1008
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: you I mean I always tell people, like they'll ask

1009
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: me about like my dog sometimes and I'll be like,

1010
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: I really think that the first two years most important.

1011
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 1: You go so hard. Yeah, and it's easy you can

1012
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: back off some, but you still have to pay attention

1013
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: and you still have to understand that that training is

1014
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: important for your dog, like your dog's mental health as

1015
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: well as just keeping them sharp. And it is easy

1016
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: to sort of think that you're like, well, the job's

1017
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: kind of done, like I can yeah, and I think

1018
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: everybody does that, but it is like there are moments

1019
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: where you notice that where you're like you're in the

1020
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: field or something where you're like, oh that slipped. Yeah, yeah, sure,

1021
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: And that sucks. Like we worked really hard at that

1022
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: and now that dog's like I don't want to do that,

1023
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: and I don't think I have to.

1024
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like.

1025
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 3: The whole hunt test thing is like we don't have

1026
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 3: to get into it because there's a whole nother can

1027
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: of worms. But like I wanted to test Ruby title her.

1028
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: In Like once I reached that.

1029
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: Title of Hunting Retrieve Champion, it was like, oh, okay,

1030
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 3: sounds good. And like I didn't do much of training

1031
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 3: last summer, you know, because like we had that title

1032
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 3: and like we're busy. I was getting married, moving houses,

1033
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 3: you know, like we just didn't have time for it.

1034
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: And so like I really didn't have a goal for

1035
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 3: my training, which was huge. And I've noticed that too.

1036
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 3: Is like if I have that goal, like I'm waking

1037
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 3: up two hours earlier to like make sure that training happens,

1038
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: you know.

1039
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: Ye.

1040
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 3: So yeah, like that's another big thing, is like just

1041
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 3: like have a goal in mind too, right.

1042
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: I mean that's this might might seem crazy, but I

1043
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: think that's so important and I think it's a primary

1044
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: driver behind at least myself doing more stuff with my dogs,

1045
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,479
Speaker 1: Like you know, the shed dog thing burned really hot

1046
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: for a while and I trained my dogs to do that,

1047
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: and like written it's on articles whatever. People ask about

1048
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: it a lot, and I'm like, I don't I don't

1049
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: care about finding more sheds. I have enough sheds, Like

1050
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: I don't need anymore. I like being out in the

1051
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: woods and.

1052
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: Getting some exercise for yourself.

1053
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, it's just it's just a I just

1054
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: enjoy walking through the woods with my dog, But training

1055
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: my dogs to shed hunt is just a it's just

1056
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: another thing. And so it's like another excuse to do

1057
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: something with them and have them work on something that's

1058
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: more visual than scent based and just kind of like

1059
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: add it into the mix. And it's like, I'm super

1060
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: excited this year. I think I'm in a film, a

1061
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: project where I get to go hunt some upland species.

1062
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: I don't hunt very much. I used to kind of

1063
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: try to make it make it a priority to hit

1064
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: sharpies and pray chickens and quail when I could, and

1065
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, I just haven't had as much time.

1066
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: And this year is kind of a priority for me

1067
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: in doing that kind of stuff, just to just opening

1068
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: up your aperture to the opportunities changes how you look

1069
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: at your dog and what you want to do with them. Yeah,

1070
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, because you go from like if I go

1071
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: from the cattails where it's tight work and my dogs

1072
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: are close and you know, the hunt dead things huge

1073
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: because you know, right, it's just a there's there are

1074
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: unique challenges to that habitat. And then I go where

1075
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, Sharpie's and prairie chickens live, and my dog

1076
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: is like I need to stay close, And I'm like,

1077
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: you don't have to stay as close now, buddy, because

1078
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: we have thousands of acres of grassland to hunt and

1079
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: I don't know where these birds are because I don't

1080
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 1: know shit about them. Like I love that stuff because

1081
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: it gets you just into like a For me as

1082
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: an owner, it just gives me like a different mindset

1083
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 1: where I'm like, Okay, now my hand signals are more important,

1084
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: Like I need to think about wind in a different way.

1085
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: And and I know that, like I know people are

1086
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Speaker 1: listening to this andre like I'm not going to go

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00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: out west and hunt those birds or whatever. When you

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00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: think about the opportunities like we talked about earlier with

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00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: the doves and the woodcock, and you know, you starting

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00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 1: your dog on geese. It's like, in your state, there's

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Speaker 1: probably multiple kinds of opportunities that are available on public

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00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: land or public waters that you know, I think about

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00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: my home state of Minnesota. I can go up north

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00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: and hunt grouse and woodcut, find some small ponds with

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00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: some puddle ducks. And I can go to western Minnesota

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Speaker 1: and hunt those cattail sleus that are gonna have roosters

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Speaker 1: once in a while you run into a hun's out there,

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00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: not very often, once in a while, but also the

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Speaker 1: duck situation out there is way different, pretty cool, you know.

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Speaker 1: And you think about that, and then I could go

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Speaker 1: to where I grew up in southeastern Minnesota, and it's

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Speaker 1: like you might find a pheasant, you might find a grouse,

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00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: but you got a lot of little trout streams, you

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00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: got a lot of interior kind of rivers, and then

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00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: you got the Mississippi. So you're like, okay, you right,

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00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: you might not have upland opportunities, but you might be

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Speaker 1: able to scout out some small water ducks on those

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00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: streams that a lot of them have run through public

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Speaker 1: land or get into the backwaters. And it's like, that's

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Speaker 1: just in my home state. I don't need a non

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00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: resident license for it. You know, it might be a

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Speaker 1: hour to a four hour drive, a camping trip or whatever,

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00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: but the opportunities are there, and the more that you

1114
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: find them, the more you're just like, I have more

1115
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: to do with my and more to train and more

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00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: to think about, and it's just the whole relationship changes.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's awesome too, And I love every single

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Speaker 3: moment of being out there with your best friend, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, right. So speaking of that, let's wrap this sucker up.

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Speaker 1: I have one last question for you. What's the best

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Speaker 1: retrieve she's ever done? What's the one where you were like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, oh man. I mean, there's been so

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Speaker 1: many of them where I'm like, holy crap, did that

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00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: just happen? But honestly, like.

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00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: I don't really have one retrieve that stands out, but

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Speaker 3: I have like one hunt where it was just like

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Speaker 3: clockwork spring snow geese her first year, or I guess

1130
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Speaker 3: it was like her fall spring snow geese, so technically

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00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 3: it was still her first year hunting.

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Speaker 1: We're up in Canada, okay, and.

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Speaker 3: So up there it's black fields, white birds, and it

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00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 3: was just like an incredible four days of hunting up there,

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00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: and I could just see her confidence get built and

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00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 3: built and built, just because those white birds in a

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Speaker 3: black field just some of those marks and some of

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Speaker 3: those blinder trees were just absolutely just out of this world.

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Speaker 3: And like, I know, you're not supposed to like quote

1140
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 3: unquote test a dog. You're supposed to train a dog

1141
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 3: to be able to do these things. But there was

1142
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 3: a couple just incredible marks where three four hundred yard marks,

1143
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, okay, you ready for this, and

1144
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 3: just sent her and it was just full speed ahead

1145
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 3: all the way there, all the way back, just countless

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00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 3: number of trees. And yeah, that's one of my most

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00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 3: favorite hunting trips with her as a whole.

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Speaker 1: So that was that was sort of like a watershed

1149
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: moment for her, partially due to the environment and the birds,

1150
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: because making a you know, a three hundred yard mark

1151
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: on in most hunting situations, that birds lost, like visually lost, right, yes,

1152
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: like at a certain point, but those birds would hit

1153
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 1: sale hit that black dirt somewhere, and that dog could

1154
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: keep a mark on them three football fields away and

1155
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: take a straight line to him and build that confidence

1156
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: and go it doesn't matter how far away they are.

1157
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: They send me, he sends me on this line. I'm

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00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: going and I'm coming back with a bird exactly.

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Speaker 3: And that was just so beneficial in like her learning curve,

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00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 3: just with marks and blind retrieves too, you know, just

1161
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 3: like it really.

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Speaker 2: Spread our distance out. You know. It wasn't the classic.

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00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 3: Fifty yard throw from a bumper or whatever like that,

1164
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 3: or from like a dummy launcher.

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Speaker 2: You know, like it was just.

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Speaker 3: Like real world practical. I shouldn't say real world practical,

1167
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 3: but it was just cool hunting and just a cool

1168
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 3: experience for that dog too.

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Speaker 1: Well. I mean, that's that specific scenario is sort of

1170
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: a happy accident thing where you're like, you wouldn't nobody

1171
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: would take their dog to that specific situation for that reason. No,

1172
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: but finding yourself in that situation and seeing what that

1173
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: is doing for her is like the light bulb goes

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00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: off and you're like, oh boy, like this is a

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Speaker 1: this is an important day or an important trip for

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Speaker 1: this dog.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And like ever since then it was just like

1178
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 3: just cool. I mean, every retrieve since then, it was

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Speaker 3: just like you could just still see that confidence just

1180
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 3: there right the whole time. And so like, yeah, you

1181
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: asked me for like one retrieve, but like from that

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00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 3: four day period, I mean, every single retrieve from that

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Speaker 3: trip was incredible.

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Speaker 2: It's like so rewarding for me.

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Speaker 1: How many birds do you think she picked up on

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Speaker 1: that trip?

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Speaker 2: Over two hundred?

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01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah right, you know, like and.

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Speaker 3: Like that's just something also beneficial for a dog is

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Speaker 3: like repetition them picking up birds too, is like so

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01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: great for him too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I will never forget I had a

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Speaker 1: conversation with Doc and when I was I think I

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Speaker 1: was working Luna and you know, you kind of I

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Speaker 1: take it for granted, right, but we can get on

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Speaker 1: so many different species of birds upland and waterfall within

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Speaker 1: you know, a couple hours of my house, yep. And

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Speaker 1: I remember him telling me, like, you have no idea

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Speaker 1: how lucky you are to be able to get your

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Speaker 1: dog that much bird exposure wild bird exposure, yeah, in

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Speaker 1: a single season and all these different scenarios, because that

1202
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Speaker 1: is what makes a dog Like that's that's like the

1203
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Speaker 1: real final piece of the puzzle.

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Speaker 3: Like you can be like a leatherman like utility, like

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Speaker 3: can do anything.

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Speaker 1: Right, but you can train your ass off and you

1207
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Speaker 1: know that dog can be perfect in a in a

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Speaker 1: training scenario, but that dog doesn't get to hunt, get

1209
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: that bird, that bird contact, it doesn't become the next

1210
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: thing like it just you just have to have that

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Speaker 1: piece and being able to facilitate that somehow. Like you said,

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Speaker 1: you know, you go on to goose hunt, your dog

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Speaker 1: retrieves two hundred geese. You're like, well, this is going

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Speaker 1: to shape this dog in a positive way forever. And

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Speaker 1: that's not I mean, it's not available to everyone, but

1216
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Speaker 1: like recognizing that that's a like the component is the

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Speaker 1: bird contact. So however, you you know, if you can't

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Speaker 1: get two hundred birds in five days, which is everyone, yeah,

1219
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Speaker 1: pretty much like there are other ways to try to

1220
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Speaker 1: do it. I always tell you know, I do well.

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Speaker 1: My favorite thing is to hunt peasants right late SI's

1222
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Speaker 1: and pheasants. And when I have buddies who have puppies

1223
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: or young dogs and they don't want to make the

1224
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: drive out, I'm like, you don't understand how many bird

1225
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: comes contag your dog's gonna get in like a four

1226
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: day hunt, you know, like I go even yeah, even

1227
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Speaker 1: if you go grouse hunting and it's really good, you're

1228
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: not you could have. You could walk into one pheasant

1229
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: slough and in the right situation, with the right conditions,

1230
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: your dog could could push up more birds in that

1231
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: in ten minutes than they might in ten days of

1232
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: grouse hunting. You know, I mean, I'm being a little

1233
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: bit facetious here, but like it's it's just like that

1234
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: specific scenario is going to help your dog level up

1235
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: so much because it's going to get its nose on

1236
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Speaker 1: so much scent. It's so awesome, Max. Everybody who wants

1237
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: to see your work knows where to go. You're a

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Speaker 1: meat eater guy, I would say the top seven videographers

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Speaker 1: we have.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, I appreciate that.

1241
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: Now you do an amazing job. Ruby's a badass. Thanks

1242
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: for coming on, man, I really appreciate you.

1243
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 2: No, I hope you get a hunt over here sometimes.

1244
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 2: So next time you're out here come January December.

1245
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Speaker 1: Dude, I hope sometimes chase some ducks. I hope one

1246
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: time when I come to Montana I get to do

1247
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: something fun. I know. I'm sorry, it'll happen, buddy. Thanks man,

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Speaker 1: all right, thanks doinging