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Speaker 2: Let's role.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Citizens the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmelk. It is our yearly reporter's mock draft.

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Speaker 1: And to lead us off are the Chicago Bears. So

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Speaker 1: I think one overall, then again a ninth overall. We'll

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Speaker 1: get Tom Thayer, who is the radio analyst for the Bears,

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Speaker 1: take on that selection as well. But Tom, the Bears

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Speaker 1: are picking first in the best possible way. You didn't

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Speaker 1: have to suffer through some type of brutal one in

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Speaker 1: sixteen season to get here, but you managed to get

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Speaker 1: the Panthers picking the tray last year though. Bears is

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Speaker 1: sitting pretty right now.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but John, you know in the NFL nowadays, a

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Speaker 3: seven win season is equally as bad as a one

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Speaker 3: win season, and that's what we suffered through.

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Speaker 4: And that's after a three win season the year before.

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Speaker 3: So the Bears have put themselves in an interesting position

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Speaker 3: by getting Carolina's pick and having number one overall and

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Speaker 3: probably having a year when the most important position possible

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Speaker 3: in the NFL is a valuable then you have to

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Speaker 3: take all three into consideration, or you know, I guess

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Speaker 3: the three that at the top.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's hard to overlook Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 3: And when you get the outside comparison of him to

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes or even his own comparison to Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 3: I don't think you can afford to pass them up.

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Speaker 3: And I think by saying afford to pass them up

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Speaker 3: because of Justin Fields getting onto a second contract, I

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Speaker 3: don't think you could afford to pay him what a

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Speaker 3: second contract to the quarterback position deserves in the NFL nowadays.

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Speaker 3: So I think you get to reset that financial clock,

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Speaker 3: pick Caleb Williams and move forward with the other pieces

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Speaker 3: in place that Ryan Poles is brought to this team

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Speaker 1: Do you think the other quarterbacks in the mixiere were

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Speaker 1: even close to Caleb? Do you think this was a

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Speaker 1: we finished watching the tape in January and we're pretty

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Speaker 1: darn shore now before even meeting with the guys doing

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Speaker 1: all the other extraneous postseason stuff. Do you think just

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Speaker 1: thought the tape that they knew Caleb was the guy.

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Speaker 3: I don't think at the end of the season they

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Speaker 3: thought it was a foregone conclusion that there's Caleb Williams

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Speaker 3: or no looking back. I don't think if you did

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Speaker 3: your due diligence investigative work with a guy like Jayden

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Speaker 3: the importance of the position. However, when you look at

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Speaker 3: a guy that hasn't thrown an interception on third and

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Speaker 3: accomplish as a junior with a solid supporting cast and

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Speaker 3: winning the Heisman Trophy, I think he's an interesting caliber

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Speaker 3: player that if you're a GM and you take him

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Speaker 3: and he has success, then you got a job extension.

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Speaker 3: If you take him and he's not successful, you may

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Speaker 3: pecurious position. But I really respect what Ryan Poles does

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Speaker 3: in his investigative work that he does for behind the

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Speaker 3: scenes type of looks that you have to do and

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Speaker 4: So I think it's Caleb Williams all the way. You

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Speaker 1: Fifth, does this make it. And this is kind of

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Speaker 1: the Bears are working on on trying to get a

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Speaker 1: is getting that dome on that building to become even

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Speaker 1: more of a priority for you guys, You.

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Speaker 4: Know, yes, no, But I think it's more.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Warren the new president of the Chicago Bears, and

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Speaker 3: he had first hand experience of bringing in the stadium,

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Speaker 3: what an asset like that means to the city itself,

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Speaker 3: You know, they have fifteen thousand hotel rooms within a

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Speaker 4: The organization and the fans of the Bears.

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Speaker 1: Now absolutely are And then the Bears also selected nine. Here, Tom,

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Speaker 1: what do you think the Bears are hoping for there?

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Speaker 1: Are they looking for a playmaker to put with Caleb?

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Speaker 3: So to me, number nine, I would have three prior

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Speaker 1: Would you slide the league Neighbors into that group two

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Speaker 3: think that there's a couple of other receivers that are

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Speaker 3: So but I like Malik Neighbors, There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: Players that have played for Brian Kelly. Being a notre

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out when he might get drafted,

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Speaker 3: You know, I only don't because they signed Cole Komet

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Speaker 3: if you look at three tight ends, we already have them.

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Speaker 3: If you're talking about it bringing bringing in a tight

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Speaker 3: And I don't think that's the most emergency of needs

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Speaker 1: And you think, since they only have those four picks,

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Speaker 1: not many on Day three, that a trade up would

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Speaker 1: probably be very unlikely.

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Speaker 3: Trade up, yeah, trade down more likely of a scenario

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Speaker 3: that's gonna be still there in the low first round

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Speaker 3: of those kids as well.

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Speaker 1: Tom great stuff, My friend. Always appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 1: Anything you want to promote, Tell the folks where to

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Speaker 1: find you.

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Speaker 4: I got no social media. I'm a ghost.

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Speaker 3: So me and you and I talking here is about

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Speaker 3: as close as as.

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Speaker 1: You can get. I love it up there. He does

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Speaker 1: a radio animal us for the Bears Radio network. Tom

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Speaker 1: good stuff, we'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Thanks for having me, all right.

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Speaker 1: That's Tom Thayer. He selects Caleb Williams for the Chicago Bears,

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Speaker 1: and now we transition to the Washington Commanders, who have

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Speaker 1: a brand new staff top to bottom, new ownership, the

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Speaker 1: what they might do with the second overall pick is

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Speaker 1: their play by play man on the radio, Bram Weinstein,

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Speaker 1: Bram John sh Malke. Here, how you doing man?

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Speaker 6: Hey John?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing great?

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about it. You've had a lot of

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Speaker 7: Of change is an understatement, Like it's literally everything The

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Speaker 7: They had promised they would let things play out literally

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Speaker 7: lot of different ways. They've hired obviously new front office

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Speaker 7: hired Dan Quinn. They I obviously hired a high level

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Speaker 5: To do at number two.

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Speaker 1: So I guess asked my next question. Then even at

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Speaker 1: of days. What's your level of confidence even now, Like

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Speaker 1: the stuff that's come out seems to now be leaning

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Speaker 1: towards Jane and Daniels, But I won there if that's

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Speaker 1: just people repeating the same really unsourced guests, or if

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Speaker 7: I mean, so I'll just put it this way, like

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Speaker 7: when I, you know, study the players, I think they're

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Speaker 7: gonna pick Jayden and Daniels. Most of the scouts around

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Speaker 7: gonna be very hard for them to turn that down.

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Speaker 7: The only thing that kind of hangs like in the

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Speaker 7: I think the card gets run up to the stage

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unlikely. I agree. Any thought of a trade down

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Speaker 1: And then finally, it sounds like this is pretty close, right,

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Speaker 7: It's their first major decision in player personnel. They've done

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Speaker 1: Absolutely final thing. And by the way, you Thill mc McCarthy,

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Speaker 7: in people to fill a lot of holes. It is

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Speaker 1: overall pick to the Washington Commanders. Now to make this

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Speaker 1: selection for the new England Patriots is Mike Geordy. He

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Speaker 1: covers them from the Boston Sports Journal. You probably remember

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Speaker 1: him from his time over at NFL Network. Mike, appreciate

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Speaker 1: the time, man. How's the off season, Trinia. A lot

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Speaker 1: of new faces up there for the Patriots for the

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Speaker 1: first time in a long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this has not been the standard off season for

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Speaker 2: the Patriots, right, change and trying to get to know

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Speaker 2: the new decision makers here and figure out what they're thinking,

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Speaker 2: you know, as you go through free agency and headed

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Speaker 2: into the draft. But it's it's kind of an exciting time, right.

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Speaker 2: We'd live the same life for twenty four to twenty

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Speaker 2: five years of Bill Belichick and it was time for

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Speaker 2: a change. And now let's see if they made the

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Speaker 2: right change and these are the right people to push

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Speaker 2: the Patriots forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've had some exposure to the new regime from

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Speaker 1: Mayo to Wolf. The new general matters. Obviously, Robert crafts

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Speaker 1: still there as the man in charge of everything. What's

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Speaker 1: your feel for the approach of this regime in terms

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Speaker 1: of how quickly they want to build this thing back up? Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Robert Kraft over eighty years old, but you have a

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Speaker 1: young core here and a roster that has a lot

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Speaker 1: of holes to fill. What's your feel for that.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a real push and pull inside the

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Speaker 2: organization already because of what you mentioned right, Robert is

488
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Speaker 2: aging wants this team to get back to where it

489
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Speaker 2: had been for many, many years, with Belichick and Tom

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Speaker 2: Brady winning Super Bowls, competing for titles, you know, in

491
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Speaker 2: the AFC Championship Game basically every year, and now the

492
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Speaker 2: last four ye have been very difficult for him to swallow.

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Speaker 2: They've obviously struggled at the quarterback position, but the roster

494
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Speaker 2: was really depleted, and so I think there's this idea that,

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Speaker 2: you know, some people inside the building would like to

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Speaker 2: sort of maybe think about trading back right and getting

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Speaker 2: more assets, because when you look at the roster, you

498
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Speaker 2: say there's just not enough Blue Chippers, but then other

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Speaker 2: people look at it and say you don't want to

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Speaker 2: be picking the third ever again. And if you get

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Speaker 2: the quarterback right here, you can piece mail it together

502
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Speaker 2: for the first year, then continue to add in year

503
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Speaker 2: two and maybe allow that player to set sail and

504
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Speaker 2: become the franchise quarterback that you hope he's going to be.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's invariably what they're going to do.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just too rich and there's just too

507
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Speaker 2: much talent at the top of the draft to say,

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Speaker 2: you know what, we're going to walk away from a

509
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Speaker 2: quarterback or we're going to pick one in the second round. No,

510
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Speaker 2: we're here at three. There are some good prospects. Let's

511
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Speaker 2: take one of them develop and hope we found the guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike, And that's the trick, right And I think

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Speaker 1: that's always the question and the evaluation here, whether or

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Speaker 1: not you get the quarterback first and then you build

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Speaker 1: around the quarterback or you want to make the situation

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Speaker 1: better for when the quarterback arrives. But if you wait

517
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Speaker 1: to only get the quarterback, you could be sitting there

518
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Speaker 1: picking eleventh or twelve. You can't get one. And if

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Speaker 1: they really believe this year that who knows who's actually

520
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Speaker 1: going to be there three or four of these quarterbacks

521
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Speaker 1: can be high level NFL starters. I'm not sure there's

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Speaker 1: a good rationale for not taking them.

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Speaker 5: I one hundred percent a grand look.

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Speaker 2: I think they sort of set themselves up for this

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Speaker 2: right because they signed Jacoby Brissett, so he's the perfect

526
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Speaker 2: bridge quarterback and someone who has worked so well with

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Speaker 2: younger quarterbacks. Just ask Sam Howe about him in Washington

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Speaker 2: and how helpful Jacoby was for him last year. Sam

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Speaker 2: Howe is going to miss Jacoby Brissett in that front

530
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Speaker 2: because he was such a good person to learn from,

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Speaker 2: to understand work habits, how you get things done, and

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Speaker 2: there was no ego involved in there. You know, Jacoby

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Speaker 2: Brissette wants to start football games, but okay, you went

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Speaker 2: with Sam. I'm going to do everything I can to

535
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Speaker 2: make sure that Sam is ready to go on Sunday,

536
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Speaker 2: as well as myself. So they have him and they

537
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Speaker 2: have Bailey Zappi, who I think a lot of people

538
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Speaker 2: in New England thought probably wouldn't still be here. But

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Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense in that he started

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Speaker 2: games in each of the last two years. You know

541
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Speaker 2: that you can survive a couple games with him as

542
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Speaker 2: a starting quarterback. So if your rookie quarterback is not

543
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Speaker 2: ready to go, and Jacoby Brissett doesn't pan out early,

544
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Speaker 2: then you don't turn to the rookie quarterback and he's

545
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Speaker 2: not ready, You turn to Bailey's appy someone was experience.

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Speaker 2: So you're not pushing this kid out there before he's

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Speaker 2: ready or before you're ready for him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when it comes to Elliott Wolf, look he's not

549
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Speaker 1: his dad. But to think some of those theories and

550
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Speaker 1: ideas of team building having carried over, I think would

551
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Speaker 1: be a little naive. And the one thing Ron Wolf

552
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Speaker 1: used to do, Mike, you know this, just stack quarterbacks, right,

553
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Speaker 1: you pick one every year every couple of years is

554
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Speaker 1: the most important position. You got to make sure you

555
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Speaker 1: are set. So I got to imagine that has to

556
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Speaker 1: play into some of the thinking here, just understanding how

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Speaker 1: important that position is.

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Speaker 2: Well, just like you mentioned with his dad, right, I

559
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Speaker 2: mean during the time that he had Brett Favre, they

560
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Speaker 2: also draft Hasselback, they draft Brunell, They turn those guys

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Speaker 2: into high picks. It just makes sense to be in

562
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Speaker 2: the quarterback business, if not every year every other year,

563
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Speaker 2: because you just don't know, you might find that diamond

564
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Speaker 2: in the rough after the first round, second, third, fourth round,

565
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Speaker 2: be able to develop that guy and turn him into

566
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Speaker 2: an asset for you going forward, or he's a very

567
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Speaker 2: cheap backup quarterback, then you trust to put in there.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the way most teams should operate. Unfortunately,

569
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Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of them do. But I'm

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Speaker 2: certain that Elliott understands that, and I would believe strongly,

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Speaker 2: just based on how he's constructed the room thus far,

572
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Speaker 2: that he understands the value of that position and having

573
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Speaker 2: more than enough guys, Right, you've got.

574
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Speaker 5: To be prepared for every situation.

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Speaker 1: How closed of a book has this front office and

576
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Speaker 1: coaching staff been? You know, we all know Bill Belichick

577
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Speaker 1: never let anything get out of that building. Has this

578
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Speaker 1: been the same? Has been a little bit different? Have

579
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Speaker 1: you gotten some kind of fuel for what they're doing?

580
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Speaker 1: Are you still operating more on kind of outside intelligence?

581
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Speaker 2: Well, I think Alliant Wolf has been pretty closed off

582
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Speaker 2: about his desires here. Like I mean, he talked about it,

583
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Speaker 2: the combine, they need to weaponize the offense. Look, he's

584
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Speaker 2: just saying what the rest of us have known for

585
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Speaker 2: the last even back to the Brady's final couple of

586
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: years right where they just didn't have enough pieces on offense.

587
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Speaker 2: And you look at their group last year and you say,

588
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 2: that's the bottom third receiver room. You know, ramondre Stevenson's

589
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: their best offensive player, he's a running back.

590
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Speaker 5: How much gonna running back really impact it?

591
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Speaker 2: Didn't have enough on the offensive line, Like, there's a

592
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Speaker 2: lot of things for him to attack there. So when

593
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Speaker 2: he said that, people are like, oh, it's a different regime.

594
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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, no, he's just kind of echoing what

595
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 2: we all know need to be done. But then in

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Speaker 2: terms of what he likes, he hasn't said, you know,

597
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Speaker 2: and in fact, my understanding of what's going on in

598
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Speaker 2: the offices right now is he obviously he's the final

599
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Speaker 2: decision maker. He's the one who's going to make the pick,

600
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Speaker 2: but he's letting everyone else debate and he's just taking

601
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Speaker 2: it all in. You know, he doesn't want to tip

602
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Speaker 2: his hand so that someone would say, man, I don't

603
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Speaker 2: want to go in there, Untell.

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Speaker 4: That I think quarterback acts is terrible.

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Speaker 2: Because that Elliot's going to look at me and in

606
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Speaker 2: his head be like, I think he's the best one

607
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Speaker 2: of the bunch.

608
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Speaker 5: Like that, do you have a problem here.

609
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Speaker 2: So he wants to encourage those discussions, and maybe someone

610
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Speaker 2: brings something up at the table that says Elliott says

611
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Speaker 2: to himself, did I see that right? Do I need

612
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Speaker 2: to go back and look at tape again? Do I

613
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: need to go back and look at my nose from interviews?

614
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Speaker 2: Did I miss that part of it?

615
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Speaker 5: So? I think it's good healthy discussion.

616
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Speaker 2: May has been a little bit more forthcoming and has

617
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Speaker 2: had to walk a couple things back. I think it's

618
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Speaker 2: to me, it's it's it's about when you're doing this

619
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Speaker 2: full time for the first time. You know, we talked

620
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Speaker 2: at Gerad every couple of weeks during the course of

621
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Speaker 2: the season on a zoom for five minutes. Right, it's nothing.

622
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Speaker 2: Now you're the head coach and your words carry even

623
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Speaker 2: more weight. And he did say that we're going to

624
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Speaker 2: spend a ton of money in free agency. That's not

625
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Speaker 2: what happened, and you know, he had to kind of

626
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Speaker 2: walk that back. It's been a couple other times when

627
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: he says stuff that he's had to walk back, but

628
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 2: nothing that I find damaging. And to me, it's just

629
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Speaker 2: part of the learning process for him, that understanding that

630
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Speaker 2: everything he says is going to be under a microscope.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's make the pick down of a couple

632
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Speaker 1: follow ups. Here with the third pick in our Giants

633
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Speaker 1: little mock draft, the New England Patriots.

634
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Speaker 2: Select Drake May, quarterback North Carolina.

635
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Speaker 1: How close, Mike do you think it is right now?

636
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Speaker 1: Between May McCarthy, although jayde and Daniels into that mix too.

637
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Speaker 1: In this evaluation process for that Patriots front office.

638
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: I think they look at Daniels as that group is

639
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: the most ready to go, right. But if he's not

640
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Speaker 2: going to be there, now you're looking at the traits

641
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: that May has, the things that you can't teach. And

642
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: I think the way it's been described to me and

643
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Speaker 2: I sort of get this having watched a lot of

644
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Speaker 2: Drake May's tape now, is that there isn't anything that

645
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: Drake hasn't done on a football field, right, Like, he

646
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: makes every throw that you want him to make. He's

647
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: been operating in big situations, two minute drills, he's been

648
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: really good on third down, all these different things. Now, look,

649
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: there's consistency issues. His footwork is a problem. But I

650
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Speaker 2: think when you talk to people, they've hired Alex Van

651
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Speaker 2: Pelt to be the offensive coordinator Ben mcadu, former head

652
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Speaker 2: coach of the Giants, who has a good reputation of

653
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Speaker 2: working with quarterbacks, and they say, we can fix this, right, Like,

654
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Speaker 2: this isn't something that should take you know, a year

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Speaker 2: to fix that. We can get this down in a

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Speaker 2: few months, and if, in fact, we feel like he's

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Speaker 2: ready to go, we'll put him out there. So I

658
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Speaker 2: think there's just too many things with Drake that you

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Speaker 2: can't you can't ignore. And like JJ definitely has fans

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Speaker 2: in the in the Patriots organization, and I think if

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Speaker 2: you look at Elliot's history with Cleveland, you know, he

662
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Speaker 2: was there when they drafted Baker Mayfield number one, and

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Speaker 2: that draft was supposed to be Sam Donnell and then

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Speaker 2: there was some rumblings that they were going to take

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen and at the end of the day they

666
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Speaker 2: decided on Baker Mayfield. Dorsey did John Dorsey, and Elliott

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Speaker 2: was part of that conversation. So I think Elliott likes

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Speaker 2: JJ and some of the energy that he brings, But again,

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Speaker 2: the traits are undeniable with Drake mac no question.

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Speaker 1: Final question. If the Patriots did decide the trade down Mike,

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Speaker 1: would they be more in favor of just going down

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Speaker 1: a couple spots, maybe picking up a future pick, save

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Speaker 1: with the Giants at six, or would they be more

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Speaker 1: at Do you think to go down into that eleven

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Speaker 1: to thirteen ranges where you know the Vikings, the Raiders,

676
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Speaker 1: and the Broncos role potentially looking for their new quarterback,

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Speaker 1: where your return is going to be much bigger in

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Speaker 1: terms of quantity of picks, but you're probably trading out

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Speaker 1: of that blue chip level of player that I and

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Speaker 1: most other people think is really strong in this draft.

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Speaker 2: And that's the sense that I get is that if

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Speaker 2: they do go back, the feeling, at least among some

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Speaker 2: people in the organization I to talk to, is like,

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Speaker 2: you don't want to go back too far. They're let's

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Speaker 2: say say, eight, nine, ten guys at the top of

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Speaker 2: the draft that people think plug and play and that

687
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Speaker 2: guy could be an All Pro one day or at

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Speaker 2: least a Pro.

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Speaker 5: Bowl over and over again.

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Speaker 2: And I think if you start to get out of

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Speaker 2: that range, you get down to Vegas at thirteen or

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Speaker 2: even Minnesota at eleven, have you risked now removing yourself

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Speaker 2: from that group of players and maybe getting the B

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Speaker 2: plus player instead of the A player, and I think again,

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Speaker 2: even though they could use B plus players, they just

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Speaker 2: don't have enough blue chip players for me to think

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Speaker 2: that that makes a lot of sense to go back

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Speaker 2: get more picks, and then you're sort of throwing darts

699
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Speaker 2: and hoping that you know, you hit somebody later on.

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Speaker 2: I think when you look at that top eight, nine,

701
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Speaker 2: ten guys, you say, man, there's a perfect role for him.

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Speaker 2: There's a role right away, and that guy can impact

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Speaker 2: us right away.

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Speaker 1: My good stuff, my friend, appreciate the time. Tell the

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Speaker 1: folks who you'll find all your great work these days.

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Speaker 2: I'm on Twitter at Mike Giardi and I'm on Boston

707
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Speaker 2: Sports Journal. You can definitely check me out there. We

708
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Speaker 2: have been all over the draft. It's again, this is

709
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Speaker 2: a different time for us. They haven't been a haven't

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Speaker 2: picked this high in eons, right, I think since Drew

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Speaker 2: Bledsoe really quite frankly, so it's kind of a different

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Speaker 2: time for us. And it's been interesting to sort of

713
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Speaker 2: look at positions that normally you wouldn't be looking at.

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Speaker 2: Normally we're looking at Day three quarterbacks and here you're

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Speaker 2: looking at Day one guys that are going off at

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Speaker 2: the top of the board.

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Speaker 1: Well, knowing those organization is better than Mike. He has

718
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Speaker 1: his finger on the pulse of the Patriots. Mike, we

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Speaker 1: appreciate the time. Thanks so much for doing this, Thanks sir.

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Speaker 1: Our mock draft has been a little chalky so far.

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Speaker 1: Picks one through three, the three quarterbacks you would expect

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams at number one, number two, Jade and Daniels

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Speaker 1: to the Commanders, and then Drake May to the New

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Speaker 1: England Patriots. That brings us to pick number four. We

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Speaker 1: bring in Darren Urban, who of course writes for the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals team site. Darren John Schmoke here in the

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Speaker 1: Giants facility. You're in the Cardinals facility. Clearly, thanks for

728
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Speaker 1: being with us, man. How's your off season been.

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Speaker 6: It's been good.

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Speaker 10: I mean, clearly after last season when the Cardinals were

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Speaker 10: undergoing a lot of changes and a new GM and

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Speaker 10: a new coach and just a whole bunch of different things,

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Speaker 10: there's been a settled feel to this a little bit more.

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Speaker 10: I mean, obviously the Cardinals still have a lot that

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Speaker 10: they're trying to get done in terms of improving the roster.

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Speaker 10: But Kyler Murray's back, he's healthy, so I have a

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Speaker 10: whole offseason, and now it's a question of Giamani Austin

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Speaker 10: Fort making sure that he builds up this roster to

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Speaker 10: a point where this team can be competitive again.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you wouldn't think to say this

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Speaker 1: about a team that's picking fourth overall, but I think

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Speaker 1: the quality of the play for the Cardinals is actually

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Speaker 1: pretty good last year. I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: reasons to be optimistic with what we saw from the

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Speaker 1: coaching on both sides of the football, and from just frankly,

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Speaker 1: how hard the players played.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't think there's any question, and obviously you

748
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Speaker 10: guys got to see that first hand. I know the

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Speaker 10: Giants ended up pulling out that win early in the season,

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Speaker 10: but I'll be honest, that first half that the Cardinals

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Speaker 10: played against the Giants was the finest half of football

752
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Speaker 10: that I had seen this team play in quite some time.

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Speaker 10: And then that went on. They won in Pittsburgh, they

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Speaker 10: won in Philadelphia. Their quality wins and again, like you said,

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Speaker 10: the way they were playing, not only how hard, but

756
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Speaker 10: kind of just the complete sea change of how they

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Speaker 10: approach offense, especially after going from Cliff Kingsbury to now

758
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Speaker 10: Drew Petsing's offense more of a run first. And this

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Speaker 10: is all while trying to bring back Kyler Murray from

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Speaker 10: an ACL tear and having him do it on the

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Speaker 10: fly in the middle of a season I thought was

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Speaker 10: pretty impressive.

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Speaker 1: And the Carlos are the first team in this draft

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Speaker 1: that has their quarterback in place. Kyler Murray's under contract.

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Speaker 1: You're paying him a lot of money, but if he's

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Speaker 1: healthy and he's playing well, that really doesn't matter. So

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Speaker 1: how do you figure his timetable? Meaning Murray's he's in

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Speaker 1: his prime. You're paying him, but you're still trying to

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Speaker 1: build the rest of the roster. So what's the pace

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Speaker 1: now of this rebuild? Last year it was very much

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Speaker 1: a gather picks plan for the future type of plan.

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Speaker 1: And is that still where the Cardinals are at or

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Speaker 1: is this thing starting to now accelerate a little bit?

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Speaker 10: I mean, I think it's I think you're kind of

775
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Speaker 10: in between a little bit of seeing where it might be.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I think we've seen some of these before.

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Speaker 10: A lot of people like making the comparison to what

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Speaker 10: the Cardinals are doing to what the Lions did when

779
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Speaker 10: Dan Campbell first came in. And if you look at

780
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Speaker 10: Dan Campbell's second year. They took a jump and wins,

781
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Speaker 10: but it's not like they were in the playoffs. I

782
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Speaker 10: don't know what's exactly gonna happen. I think last year,

783
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Speaker 10: given the fact you knew were going to miss Kyler

784
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Speaker 10: Murray for at least half the season, and you really

785
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Speaker 10: needed to restructure the roster in a lot of ways,

786
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Speaker 10: it made sense to kind of fully go in a whole.

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Speaker 6: Hog on the rebuild. You know, this year you've got

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Speaker 6: Kyler healthy.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 10: I do think this offense is in a place where

791
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Speaker 10: it could do some things if you add the right pieces. Defensively,

792
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Speaker 10: they do need more pieces than they do on offense,

793
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Speaker 10: but again, if you fight the way you did under

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Speaker 10: Nick Rollis the defensive coordinator last year, you know, maybe

795
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Speaker 10: it won't take that many pieces.

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Speaker 6: The schedule still difficult.

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Speaker 10: Not quite as hard perhaps as what they saw last year.

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Speaker 10: I think there's a lot in place, and we'll see.

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Speaker 10: I certainly wouldn't rule any kind of push out, because,

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Speaker 10: let's face it, John, I mean, when you look at

801
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Speaker 10: this league, there's always that possibility of making a huge

802
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 10: jump in one season. It just depends on health. Who

803
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Speaker 10: you have in place, what your schedule looks like. And

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Speaker 10: the Cardinals, if Kyler Murray plays the way they hope

805
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Speaker 10: he can play, I think they're in a spot to

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Speaker 10: potentially surprise some people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and them the Giants two years ago, right, no

808
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Speaker 1: one expect them to be a playoff team. They figure

809
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Speaker 1: out a way to not only get into the playoffs,

810
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Speaker 1: but even win a playoff game. So you're right, they

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Speaker 1: get happy at any year. And the reason I asked

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Speaker 1: that question, Darren is I think the thought here is

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Speaker 1: that the Cardinals could still be in the business of

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Speaker 1: trading down, acquiring more picks, getting more AMMO or you're

815
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Speaker 1: looking at the best non quarterback in the class. Whoever,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals think that is that they could select that player,

817
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Speaker 1: which would probably be the first or second highest graded

818
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Speaker 1: player on on any logical person's bared here. So what

819
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Speaker 1: are the thoughts behind whether or not the Cardinals would

820
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Speaker 1: look to move out of the spot?

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean I made this analogy in my mailbag today,

822
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Speaker 10: like if you're in a situation where you don't want

823
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Speaker 10: to move from your house and you have no plans to,

824
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Speaker 10: but somebody comes along and offers you some ridiculous amount

825
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Speaker 10: of money, you're gonna consider it, and you might even

826
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Speaker 10: pull the trigger, because you'd be dumb not to. I

827
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Speaker 10: feel like that's a little bit like where the Cardinals are.

828
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Speaker 10: They're in a really good place. They're gonna get an

829
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Speaker 10: excellent football player out four and like you said, potentially

830
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Speaker 10: either the first or second best player in the class

831
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Speaker 10: depending on who you ask, or they can get extra

832
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Speaker 10: first round picks. They've already got a second first round

833
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Speaker 10: pick they pick number twenty seven as well. I mean,

834
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Speaker 10: I'm just throwing obviously the speculation about the Vikings. The

835
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Speaker 10: Vikings somehow come to you and say we're gonna give

836
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Speaker 10: you eleven and twenty three. You already have twenty seven,

837
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Speaker 10: We'll give you a first next year, and who knows,

838
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Speaker 10: maybe even one other lower pick. I mean, if you're

839
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Speaker 10: the Cardinals, do you pass on that. I understand what

840
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Speaker 10: you're passing at for, but that's a lot of potentially

841
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Speaker 10: high profile type guys that you can add to this

842
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Speaker 10: roster and make this rebuild go that much faster. So

843
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Speaker 10: I think everything's on the table. MONI quite frankly, he

844
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Speaker 10: wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't listening. And

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Speaker 10: the other thing too, for me, We're not going to

846
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Speaker 10: know until that fourth pick is up. I mean, you

847
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Speaker 10: mentioned it could go Chalk and the Patriots end up

848
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Speaker 10: going quarterback. But what if the Patriots don't go quarterback?

849
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Speaker 10: What if the Patriots decide to take Marvin Harrison. What

850
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Speaker 10: happens if they go McCarthy third and then Drake may

851
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 10: is sitting there at for does that become a more

852
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Speaker 10: valuable thing? You just don't know what my teams might

853
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Speaker 10: want to do and what they might offer under the

854
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Speaker 10: pressure of being on the clock. So is that is

855
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Speaker 10: the trade possible? Absolutely? Would I be shocked if the

856
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Speaker 10: Cardinals stick and pick I wouldn't be shocked on that either.

857
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Speaker 10: I think Moni's in a really good place.

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Speaker 1: How about option What if they trade back and then

859
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Speaker 1: move back up a couple spots down to pick one

860
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Speaker 1: of those leak guys. I guess he's been doing that

861
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Speaker 1: too well.

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Speaker 6: They did that last year again, they were at three.

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Speaker 10: Last year, they traded back to twelve with Houston and

864
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Speaker 10: then they traded back up to six to get Paris Johnson. So, MANI,

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Speaker 10: Austin Ford absolutely has proven he'll do that, and I

866
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Speaker 10: wouldn't rule that out either, because he's got a track

867
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Speaker 10: record already as a GM to be able to not

868
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Speaker 10: only make those moves but seemingly make them really well.

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Speaker 10: And I don't know if you got a chance to,

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Speaker 10: but many many people saw got to see our video

871
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 10: of him in the war room last year making all

872
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 10: those moves. He seems a natural in that environment about

873
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 10: making those moves and doing it calmly and with the

874
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 10: right mindset. So again, I'm not ruling anything out with

875
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 10: this guy, and that's why a lot of people feel

876
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 10: really good about him pushing this roster forward.

877
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: All right. So with the pick number four in our

878
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: Giants huddle, Reporter Monck draft the Arizona Cardinals select.

879
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 10: I'm going to, unfortunately for you, John stay Shaw, I

880
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 10: am going to go with Marvin Harrison. Receiver is a

881
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 10: place where they need help. A lot of people feel

882
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 10: Marvin Harrison is the best guy I know. As we

883
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 10: hit as we get through this forever process of actually

884
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 10: getting to the draft, more and more people want to

885
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 10: talk about, well, what if it's Romaduonsay and what if

886
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 10: it's Malik Neighbors, And those guys are both great players.

887
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 10: But I'm gonna stick with the guy that a lot

888
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 10: of people think uh is the best guy and it

889
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 10: just fills this gigantic need that they have. Again, I'm

890
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 10: going to reiterate, I'm not going to be surprised that

891
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 10: they trade out of it and we then potentially trade

892
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 10: back up for.

893
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 6: A Duneesday or neighbors.

894
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 10: But right now, in this little exercise, I'm going to

895
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 10: stay with Marvin Harrison up for is.

896
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: This more about the position and the side of the

897
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: ball and helping Kyler or is this just that you

898
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: think he's the best player in the draft?

899
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 5: You know?

900
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 10: For for me, I'm not gonna sit here and say

901
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 10: I know who the best player in the draft is.

902
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 6: But I know this. I know that if you had to,

903
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 6: if you had a name to me.

904
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 10: The top three needs for the Cardinals right now would

905
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 10: be wide receiver, it would be cornerback, and it would

906
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 10: be edge rusher. And quite frankly, I do not see

907
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 10: the edge rusher or cornerback that makes sense at four

908
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 10: this year. Now is that person at eleven if you

909
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 10: trade back potentially, But I don't see that guy at four.

910
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 10: And I think when you talk about the best guys

911
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 10: in the draft and you're taking it for you take

912
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 10: a guy who around here, at least a lot of

913
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 10: the fans see as another potential Larry Fitzgerald, and obviously,

914
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 10: when you start talking about that name in this area,

915
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 10: people get very excited about potentially having another guy like that.

916
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: Darren. Final question, how close do you think those wide

917
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: receivers are in terms of things you've heard in How

918
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: tough a decision this really is? Because I talk to

919
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: people around the league and they tell me that, look,

920
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: there are a lot of teams that have Neighbors as

921
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: a number one guy, and this order is going to

922
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: be different for a lot of different teams.

923
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 10: And I wouldn't be surprised about that. And again, I

924
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 10: don't even know if Harrison would be the guy that

925
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Speaker 10: the Cardinals have first.

926
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 6: Out of those three. It makes a lot of sense

927
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 6: in a lot of different ways.

928
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 10: I can see why people like the other two guys.

929
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 10: I personally tend to move a little bit more towards

930
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 10: a Dunsa and Harrison because of their size, their height

931
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 10: and milite.

932
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 6: Neighbors is six feet.

933
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 10: I think he's going to be a fantastic player, but

934
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 10: I love the idea of the Cardinals having a bigger receiver. Again,

935
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 10: having covered the entire career. Larry Fitzgerald. I remember what

936
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 10: that meant in the passing game, and I just think

937
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 10: both those guys really fit it. And it just feels,

938
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 10: given everything we've heard, that Harrison might be slightly ahead

939
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 10: of a donsay.

940
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 6: And again when we.

941
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 10: Start talking about who's where and everything, you know, I

942
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 10: get very wary of the conversations in the last two

943
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 10: weeks before the draft, because it's whether it's smoke screens

944
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 10: or it's people just getting tired of talking about the

945
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 10: same stuff so they just try and get different with

946
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 10: how they analyze things. This whole last couple of weeks

947
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 10: gets really kind of sideways in a lot of ways, and.

948
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: I guess you're this final one at twenty seven. Then

949
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: you're looking at corner or edge based on the needs

950
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: you just talked about.

951
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 10: I could see corner, I could see edge. I could

952
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 10: see potentially interior offensive line.

953
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 6: That's another need of theirs.

954
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 10: They've done a better job in terms of filling those

955
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 10: needs and free agency so they don't.

956
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 6: Have to do that, but they could use a good

957
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 6: guard if somebody's there at twenty seven.

958
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 10: I'm not ruling anything out, and not only do they

959
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 10: have twenty seven but they also have thirty five, so

960
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 10: you know they've got some options there. There should be

961
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 10: some corners there at twenty seven or thirty five that

962
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 10: they could be able to fill that role. The edge

963
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 10: rusher is a lot more of a sticky situation because

964
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 10: I feel like too high at four, the top guys

965
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 10: two or three of them are probably all gone by

966
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 10: twenty seven.

967
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 6: Maybe not.

968
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 10: There could be guy at twenty seven at thirty five,

969
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 10: but maybe it's a little bit more of a crapshoot

970
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 10: of like a boom er Bus type of dude that

971
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 10: you would take and say he could be really good

972
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 10: edge rusher, and he might wash out a little bit.

973
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 10: We've seen a lot of edge rushers like that, so

974
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 10: it'll be interesting to see how Cardinals approach it.

975
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like you're talking about shop Robinson. But

976
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: I but I, oh, I know you're not naming any names.

977
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm navid names and that's okay. That's not gonna get

978
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: you with any trouble. Uh, Darren, great stuff. Tell the

979
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 1: phones where they can find all your work.

980
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 10: We're on Azycardinals dot com and if you go to

981
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 10: axime at cards.

982
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: Chatter Darren, great stuff man. Thank you so much.

983
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.

984
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 9: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens,

985
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 9: so go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country.

986
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 9: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are

987
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 9: you ready for all that life brings?

988
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 8: All?

989
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: Right? Now, we turn our attention to the fifth pick

990
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: in our twenty twenty four Giants Huddle mock draft, and

991
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: to make that selection for the Los Angeles Chargers is

992
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: Daniel Popper, former New Yorker who now covers the Chargers

993
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: for The Athletic. Daniel's good to see you, man, How are.

994
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 11: You good to see you as well? Former New york

995
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 11: I feel like if you're from New York area, you're always.

996
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 5: In New York.

997
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: That's true.

998
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 11: I used to I used to live there, But I'm

999
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 11: all always going to be in New Yorker.

1000
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: You know, no, absolutely, And it's funny. We were on

1001
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: the same panel on CBS the night or the night

1002
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: after I think it was a Saturday or Sunday when

1003
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: the Jets drafted Sam Donald the Giants drafted Saquon Barkley,

1004
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: and I was very commimentary of the Jets pick of

1005
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: Sam Donald. You like the Barkley pick too, and we

1006
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: sat there and now we're here five years later or

1007
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: six years later, and neither guy is on the team

1008
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: that they started at, which shows you what a crapshoot

1009
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: the draft is exactly.

1010
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 11: And now we're gonna go ahead and try and prognosticate

1011
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 11: what's gonna happen, which is just a feudal effort all

1012
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 11: the way around.

1013
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think evaluating even these quarterbacks gonna be

1014
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: a fetal effort too, But that is a longer conversation

1015
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,479
Speaker 1: for a different podcast. So Daniel, let's talk a little

1016
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: bit about the Chargers here. I know you know this,

1017
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: but I think a lot of fans realize what a

1018
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: rough shape this roster is in right now and how

1019
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: it could even get worse after next season. So give

1020
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: me a breakdown of where the Chargers are here and

1021
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of a reset with Jim Harbaugh coming in.

1022
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1023
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 11: So obviously you've had quite a bit of turnover. You know,

1024
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 11: they headed into this offseason and they had four sort

1025
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 11: of huge veteran contracts that they had to deal with,

1026
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 11: Joey Bosa, Cluib Mack Keenan, Allen, Mike Williams. They end

1027
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 11: up deciding to move on from the two receivers. Obviously,

1028
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 11: Mike Williams signs with the Jets, they trade Keenan Allen

1029
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 11: to the Bears, and so you start there. The receiver

1030
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 11: room is super thin, and then you sort of move

1031
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 11: along to the rest of the roster. They've done some

1032
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 11: working free agency, Joe Hortiz, the new GM coming in,

1033
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 11: signing a lot of the guys that he had either

1034
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 11: drafted or brought into Baltimore during his twenty six years there,

1035
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 11: and so they've added some depth. But there's still a

1036
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 11: lot of holes here. I mean, you talk about obviously

1037
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 11: starting with receiver, they could add to the offensive line.

1038
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 11: The corner room is thin, the linebacker room is thin.

1039
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 11: They need work on the defensive line, and so you know,

1040
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 11: you start sort of looking through scenarios here. How do

1041
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 11: the Chargers go about, you know, filling as many of

1042
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 11: these needs as possible. Like they obviously have the star

1043
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 11: power with Justin Herbert, Clive Mack and Joey Bosa still there,

1044
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 11: but this is very much a rebuilding, retooling process for

1045
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 11: Jim Harbaugh and Joor Hartiz as they enter you know,

1046
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 11: sort of their first off season together.

1047
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: And then next year you could have Mac and Bosa

1048
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: out the door based on what their contract situation is too, Right,

1049
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: So I guess my question how much of a long

1050
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: term process has Harbaugh and Ortiz talked about this being

1051
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: or is this something they want to make more of

1052
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: a quick retool given the type of contract Justin Herbert's

1053
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: on there and his obviously elite skulls as a quarterback.

1054
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean publicly they've said they want to win

1055
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 11: every single year, right, But I think you sort of

1056
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 11: have to sort through those comments and look at the

1057
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 11: roster and start to take a sober approach to this thing.

1058
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 11: My whole thing all along is it makes more sense

1059
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 11: to build for twenty five as opposed to twenty four.

1060
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 11: Now you have Justin Herbert, you're always gonna have an

1061
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 11: ability to compete. The question is the roster right now

1062
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 11: capable of getting to a point where they're going to

1063
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 11: be super Bowl caliber? And you just heard what I

1064
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 11: talked about all of the different positions that they need.

1065
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 11: It does feel like it's going to be sort of

1066
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,479
Speaker 11: a two year process here. But they could have moved

1067
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 11: on from Joey, Bosa and Kloemac and they didn't, And

1068
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 11: so I think they're trying to sort of toe that line,

1069
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 11: find the middle ground where they can put a competitive

1070
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,479
Speaker 11: team on the field in twenty four, while also keeping

1071
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 11: in the back of their mind that building for twenty five.

1072
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 11: Really taking a shot in that year probably aligns better

1073
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 11: with where the roster stands right now.

1074
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: And I am giving all the reporters in this mock

1075
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: draft the ability to trade down if they want, so,

1076
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 1: Danie'll give me the process here of how you would

1077
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: think about a potential trade down. Here. I kind of

1078
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: think of this like I did back in the day,

1079
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: and I was a young kid then. But the way

1080
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson went into Dallas and he knew these college

1081
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: players better than anyone else because he had just coached

1082
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: in college for so long, he recruited most of these guys. Well,

1083
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 1: that's what Jim Harbaugh is, right. So I would imagine,

1084
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: much like Jimmy Johnson back in the day, he's gonna

1085
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: want as many picks as possible because he knows these

1086
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: college players so well. So take me through the idea

1087
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: of trading back and what that scenario might look like.

1088
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, so I wrote about it for today. The range

1089
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 11: I'm looking at is like nine to thirteen because I

1090
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 11: can see, you know, an explanation for why some of

1091
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 11: those teams would move up, right, like the Bears and

1092
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 11: the Jets. It's a little bit harder to get there,

1093
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 11: but you could see both of them maybe moving up

1094
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 11: to five if one of those receivers is available. I

1095
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 11: know the Jets signed Mike Williams, but he's coming off

1096
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 11: in acl after Garrett Wilson and Mike Williams, there's in't

1097
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 11: a ton there. The Bears they absously traded for Keenan Allen.

1098
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 11: That seems like a rental. He's on the last year

1099
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 11: of his deal, you know, after DJ Moore. Not a

1100
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 11: ton there, right, so he can see that sort of happening.

1101
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 11: And then eleven you have the Vikings obviously you know,

1102
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 11: possibility of moving up for quarterbacks. Same thing with the

1103
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 11: Broncos and Raiders at twelve and thirteen, and so you

1104
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 11: have sort of two different groups there, the two teams

1105
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 11: that could potentially move up if they want one of

1106
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 11: these receivers, to say, if four quarterbacks go in the

1107
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 11: top four, or the teams that can be moving up

1108
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 11: for a quarterback at nine and ten. I think you

1109
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 11: could I would be willing to accept a deal that

1110
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 11: doesn't include a future first round pick, some sort of

1111
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 11: future second paired with some sort of maybe a third

1112
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 11: round pick twenty four this year, some sort of you know,

1113
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 11: third round, seventh round pick swap, that type of thing.

1114
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 11: When you get into the eleven to thirteen range, like,

1115
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 11: I'm not making a deal there unless I can get

1116
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 11: a future first And this is this sort of aligns

1117
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 11: with like the building process that we're just talking about, right,

1118
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 11: Like I'm thinking twenty five is the year you build

1119
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 11: it and really have a shot, and so accruing an

1120
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 11: additional first round pick in twenty five that would go

1121
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 11: a long way towards that sort of timeline, right. And

1122
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 11: then you also look at the history of things, right,

1123
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 11: what happens in this sort of range, What are sort

1124
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 11: of the returns. The one I look at is the

1125
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 11: Dolphins moving up for Jalen Waddle in twenty twenty one.

1126
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 11: That was twelve to six, and the Eagles got a

1127
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 11: future first out of that trade, and so like, that's

1128
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 11: sort of the type of return that I'm looking at

1129
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 11: in this sort of area. And if I was moving

1130
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 11: to eleven or later, I wouldn't accept, you know, anything

1131
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 11: less than a future.

1132
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 5: First.

1133
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 11: The other part of this too is that you're gonna

1134
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 11: have a really good player there at five, and so

1135
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 11: that's sort of the balance.

1136
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Viking is interesting, right, So do you what

1137
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: else do you think they will get in addition to

1138
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: the two first this year? Would you try to get

1139
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: that third first of them given their desperate situation or

1140
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: do you think that's a pipe dream.

1141
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 11: That feels like too much? I think you probably you

1142
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 11: asked for as much as you can get. The trade

1143
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 11: I threw out was eleven and twenty three. The Chargers

1144
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 11: give a twenty twenty five to seventh, and then the

1145
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 11: Vikings give a twenty twenty five to third. So something

1146
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 11: like that would sort of a ligne use. I'm basically

1147
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 11: using trade value charts to figure out, okay, what's the

1148
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 11: return usually look like? You know, the two trades that

1149
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 11: I look back on that were sort of precedent were

1150
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 11: the one I just mentioned about Waddle and then the

1151
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 11: Bills moving up for Josh Allen twenty eighteen that was

1152
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 11: twelve to seven. That was two seconds, and so like,

1153
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 11: the value there is sort of around fifteen hundred points

1154
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 11: based on the over the cap chart, and so like

1155
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 11: that's sort of what I'm looking at now, there is

1156
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 11: there are outliers here, right Like last year the Cardinals

1157
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 11: traded out and then to twelve out of the top

1158
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 11: five and then move back up to six to take

1159
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 11: Paris Johnson out of Ohio state. That return with the

1160
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 11: Lions was pretty much even. So you have sort of

1161
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 11: these different scenarios to me, like prioritizing that return is

1162
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 11: obviously super important.

1163
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I almost feel like you can have a bit

1164
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: of an auction process here, right. You have so many

1165
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: teams that are and I'll use the word and I

1166
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: use it sparingly, but I think they're desperate. I think

1167
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: the Vikings are desperate, The Broncos are most certainly desperate,

1168
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: and I think I put the Raiders in that category

1169
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: two where you might get more than what the past dictate,

1170
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: just because these teams are going to keep trying to,

1171
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, one up each other, you keep putting the

1172
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: auction sign up because they know they need a guy

1173
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: at that position so badly, right.

1174
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 11: And the Chargers are going to have leverage, right because

1175
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 11: they don't need a quarterback, so they're not in that

1176
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 11: in that desperation mode at all. And in a certain

1177
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 11: way like it's a win win scenario, right, you move

1178
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 11: down your crew additional picks and you have a better

1179
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 11: opportunity to add more for all these needs you that

1180
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 11: you have, or you stay at five and you address

1181
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 11: what is like a very big need at either receiver,

1182
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 11: you know, maybe tackle for me, it's one of these

1183
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 11: receivers you moved on from your top two receivers. So

1184
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 11: either way, you're you're getting a really good player and

1185
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 11: you're fitting a need. And so the Chargers can sit

1186
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 11: there and be like, listen, we're not gonna move off

1187
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 11: of five. We're not gonna give up the opportunity to

1188
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 11: draft one of these receivers unless we get a return.

1189
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 11: And like you said, some of these teams that are

1190
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 11: moving up, particularly for quarterbacks, might be willing to, you know,

1191
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 11: depart with the future first to make that happen and

1192
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 11: get their quarterback of the future. So I think the

1193
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 11: Chargers are positioned pretty well here.

1194
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: And the Chargers are on the clock with the fifth

1195
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 1: pick of the twenty twenty four Giants total mock draft,

1196
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Chargers trade or select.

1197
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 11: They select Malik Neighbors, wide receiver out of LSU. I'm

1198
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 11: gonna I'm always gonna consider the trade down right, and

1199
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 11: especially in the Vikings case, picking up that additional first

1200
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 11: at twenty three overall, if that's the package they get,

1201
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 11: is obviously going to be very intriguing. But the Chargers

1202
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 11: need receiver talent like and I don't I know that

1203
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 11: they've talked about Jim Harbonugh and Gjoritiz have talked about,

1204
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 11: you know, wanting to run the football, but the receiver

1205
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 11: room is really thin. I mean, the only really established

1206
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 11: pro they have is Joshua Palmer. Quentin Johnson was a

1207
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 11: first round pick last year, but he had a really

1208
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 11: rough rookie year. After that, You're talking about a return

1209
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 11: man in Darius Davis. They could potentially shop in the

1210
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 11: free agent market, but the opportunity here to get a

1211
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 11: player like Milik Neighbors is just too good for me

1212
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 11: to pass up. He's the type of explosive threat that

1213
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 11: the Chargers just have not had. The long speed, the

1214
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 11: deception and the route running, the hands yards after catch,

1215
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 11: all of it I think just fits perfectly with what

1216
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 11: the Chargers need. And so you know, to me, like,

1217
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 11: I'm taking the best player available here, that's Milik Neighbors,

1218
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 11: And it just so happens to align with the biggest

1219
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 11: need on the roster.

1220
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: In my opinion, your wide receiver tackle debate, is this

1221
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: more about you just like Neighbors better than Alt as

1222
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: a player, or is it also you feel better about

1223
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: Trey Pipkins out there at right tackle then you do

1224
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: about what they're growing out there at wide receiver.

1225
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a combination. It's more so that I'm just

1226
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 11: looking at who's the best player to me, and Elik

1227
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 11: Neighbors is a better player than Joe Alt. I think

1228
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 11: Joe Alf's good, like I think he's gonna be a

1229
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 11: good pro. Obviously. The athleticism is off the charts, the size,

1230
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 11: he's got great feet, like the stuff that he does

1231
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 11: in the in the run game. You know they're pulling

1232
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 11: him from left tackle to the right side and he's

1233
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 11: executing blocks over there very consistently. I love all of that.

1234
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 11: My issue with all is the anchor is not what

1235
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 11: I would want out of like a top five and

1236
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 11: so like, you know, what I watch is like Chargers film,

1237
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 11: and what I see is Klimax Bull Rush, and I'm

1238
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 11: watching Joe Alton. I'm like, what's gonna happen on the

1239
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 11: first play? Of the game. If they get, you know,

1240
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 11: one of these elite edge rushers, they're gonna bull rush

1241
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 11: you right away, and they're gonna see if you're up

1242
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 11: for it, and if you don't have the anchor, they're

1243
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 11: gonna keep coming at you with that move for the

1244
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 11: rest of the game. I've seen Cliol mac bull rush

1245
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 11: some of the best tackles in the league, including Tyron Smith.

1246
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 11: So that's my reservation. I'm not saying he's not gonna

1247
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 11: be a good player. But when I'm comparing Elik Neighbors

1248
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 11: to Joe All, I'm seeing Elik Neighbors, who I project

1249
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 11: as being like a true number one guy, take the

1250
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 11: top off the defense, like like true difference maker. All.

1251
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 11: I just have some concerns and so that that's sort

1252
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 11: of my calculate. And then again, like what you mentioned,

1253
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 11: the other combination of this is that the offensive line

1254
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 11: is I think in better shape than a lot of

1255
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 11: people on the outside think. Trey Pipkins to me is

1256
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 11: like a mid level starter, Like he's not an All

1257
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 11: Pro Pro Bowl type guy, but he's functional out there,

1258
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 11: Like it's not like he's a turnstile out there, and

1259
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 11: so you can sort of piece us together, and the

1260
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 11: Chargers certainly think that they're gonna get more out of

1261
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 11: these players. That's the whole reason you go get Jim Harbase,

1262
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 11: that you're gonna elevate all of these guys. And so

1263
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 11: it's a combination of all those things. More so, though

1264
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 11: Moleikue Neighbors to me is a better prospect than Joe

1265
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 11: Alt comparison, you know, comparing them one to one.

1266
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: No, And I have a new agree with you on that.

1267
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: And it's funny you talking about Max Bulrosh is like

1268
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: me watching these two hundred and ninety five pounds centers

1269
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: and just watching Dexter Lawrence plow undersized centers into the backfield,

1270
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: and that's all I can see. I can't unsee that now,

1271
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: which is why Jackson power Johnson. I love him to

1272
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: death because he's actually a three hundred and twenty five

1273
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: pounds center. You just don't have those in the NFL anymore.

1274
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 11: It's funny, right, right, right, So like that's that's the

1275
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 11: you know, you think back to that and you're like, okay,

1276
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 11: like you love all of the positive traits, Like I

1277
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 11: think Alt's gonna be like a really good run blocker

1278
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 11: in the league. But when you're taking a tackle in

1279
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 11: the top five, Like, you got to prioritize pass protection

1280
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 11: and regardless of what you want your offensive vision to be,

1281
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 11: the number one goal here is protecting Justin Herbert. He's

1282
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 11: been injured the last two seasons, you know, between the

1283
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 11: fractured rib cartilage and then the broken index finger, Like

1284
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 11: you got to protect him. And so like, if you're

1285
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 11: gonna spend a premium pick, I want a guy that

1286
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 11: I'm really confident is gonna be able to match up

1287
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 11: with some of these edge rushers in the NFL Final.

1288
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: Question, Daniel, this is on play style because I think

1289
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: everyone just assumes that, oh, Jim Harbaugh is gonna run

1290
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: it like you did in Michigan a million times. You

1291
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: go back like he had talent Kaepernick throwing the ball

1292
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: over the place in San Francisco. It's not like they

1293
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: didn't like throw the ball down there when when Kaepernick

1294
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 1: was their quarterback for a few years. Do you think

1295
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: this is gonna be as run heavy as a lot

1296
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Speaker 1: of people think, or do you think he's gonna realize,

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Speaker 1: wait a second, I have Justin Herbert. He's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw the ball more than maybe some people

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Speaker 1: think I'm going to.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, my sense is it's gonna be run heavy, Like

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Speaker 11: I think that's that's the vision here. The vision is

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Speaker 11: that Justin Herbert has never had a good running game.

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00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 11: What does he look like when he has a reliable

1304
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 11: running game? And like it goes to sort of the

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Speaker 11: broader idea of what they want the identity of the team,

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Speaker 11: the organization to be, Like they won't want to be physical,

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Speaker 11: they want to be rough, tough, rugged, violent, like all

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Speaker 11: of those types of things. In order to be that

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Speaker 11: type of team, you got to come out and you

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Speaker 11: got to be able to run the football. And so like,

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Speaker 11: is it the right path? I don't know. I'm not

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Speaker 11: getting paid enough money to make that decision. I just

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Speaker 11: will analyze it. To me, the way I would build

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Speaker 11: it is try and get the absolute most out of

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Speaker 11: Justin Herbert, because if he's playing an MVP level, I

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Speaker 11: feel like I can win a Super Bowl. But the

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Speaker 11: Harbaugh idea of playing football is being that type of

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Speaker 11: physical team. You bring in Greg Roman, one of the

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Speaker 11: best run schemers in recent NFL history, and that's the idea.

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Speaker 11: Pair it up that way and then see what that

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Speaker 11: does for Justin Herbert and we'll see if it actually works.

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Speaker 1: So you think this would be the first Ortiz Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh kind of pressure point in the relationship where

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Speaker 1: Tea says, well, we think neighbors is the best player,

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Speaker 1: and Jim harbosta in there, well, I want an offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: I think that could be interesting to see how that

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Speaker 1: dynamic works between the two. This is what the debate

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Speaker 1: kind of comes down to.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it reminds me of I'm a big Survivor fan,

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Speaker 11: So you know, like if you have like a tribe

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Speaker 11: that hasn't voted yet, you don't know where where the

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Speaker 11: lines fall as far as like whose allegiances to who?

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Speaker 11: This is what it feels like right now, Like you

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Speaker 11: have no idea like where they want to go, what

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Speaker 11: they're prioritizing. It is a wild card as far as like, well,

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Speaker 11: what's the strategy here and compare it to like, you know,

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Speaker 11: Tom Telesco, the previous GM was here for eleven years.

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Speaker 11: I used to have eleven, like you know, decade of

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Speaker 11: data to look at to be like, Okay, this is

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Speaker 11: what he prioritizes, this is the positional value, this is

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Speaker 11: the type of player he wants you can go back

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Speaker 11: and look at some Ravens drafts, But the last time

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Speaker 11: Jim Harbaugh draft in the NFL was ten years ago.

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Speaker 11: You know, so, like there is a lot of uncertainty here,

1345
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 11: a lot of unknown and party lines you know will

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Speaker 11: be drawn to, you know, bring it to the survivor analogy.

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Speaker 1: Have they said who has final say on the draft?

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Speaker 5: Pick?

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Speaker 1: Is it Harbor is at Ortis?

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Speaker 11: I've asked a million times. I've asked like ten different people.

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Speaker 11: The answer I always get is if you know, if

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Speaker 11: they're disagreeing to the point where somebody needs to have

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Speaker 11: final say, then they have bigger problems than that. So

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Speaker 11: you know, effectively its ownership. You know, Dean Spanos is

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Speaker 11: the owner. His son John Spanos is the president of

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Speaker 11: football operations. Like in reality, he has final say. And

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Speaker 11: that's sort of the best way to answer that question.

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Speaker 11: But I think we're gonna find out a lot here

1359
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Speaker 11: with this draft, like whose vision is really driving it forward?

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Speaker 11: Because you talk about where Horties came from in Baltimore,

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Speaker 11: that's best player available, that's the Ozzie Newsom school of drafting.

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Speaker 11: Talk about Kyle Hamilton, right, they drafted Kyle Hamilton after

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Speaker 11: they played Marcus Williams in seventy million dollars in free agency,

1364
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Speaker 11: but he was the best player on their board. So

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Speaker 11: that's like, you know, if you're looking at it, you know,

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Speaker 11: Malik Nighbors is probably gonna be the best player available there.

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Speaker 11: If it falls like like your mock draft has fallen,

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Speaker 11: is it a best player available thing? Or is Harbar

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Speaker 11: really driving this ship? And you know, do they go

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Speaker 11: trade down offensive lineman or even offensive lineman at five?

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Speaker 11: It's gonna be Faine.

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Speaker 1: Can can wait to find out. Daniel, Tell the folks

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Speaker 1: where they can find your great story on the trade

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Speaker 1: scenarios and everything else you're writing about the Chargers.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, everything on the Athletic dot Com slash teams Chargers

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01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 11: And you can follow me on Twitter at Daniel R.

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01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 11: Popper and read all my draft coverage there.

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Speaker 1: Number folks, And if you subscribe you get the Beast

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Speaker 1: from Dame Brewler for free as well. And there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of deals out there all the time to make

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Speaker 1: sure you go and do that. Daniel, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: of the time, man, We appreciate it. New York is

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Speaker 1: always my friend.

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Speaker 11: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: and we're joined by Tom Rock, who covers the NFL

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Speaker 1: written large for Newsday. Tom, we've been chairing a while. Man,

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Speaker 1: I worry you, John.

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Speaker 8: I'm doing okay. I'm doing okay. It's you know, It's

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Speaker 8: been a long off season, but we're ready to get

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Speaker 8: back into things with the draft next week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is kind of like the unofficial, kind of

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Speaker 1: start of the twenty twenty four grime. We have OTAs

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Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, rookie mini caamp. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: see each other all lot more oft than everyone's gonna

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Speaker 1: be around. It's gonna be fun. So just to recap

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Speaker 1: where we are, this is our reporter mock draft. If

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Speaker 1: you're just tuning in for the Giants Bank. We have

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Speaker 1: reporter for each team make a selection for their team

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Speaker 1: up to the Giants at six. I did give each

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Speaker 1: reporter an opportunity to make a trade if they desired.

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Speaker 1: They all decline they wanted to make their selection. So

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Speaker 1: we'll see if this how If this is how it

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Speaker 1: goes on draft night, Tom and I will talk about that. So,

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Speaker 1: just to recap, Caleb Williams number one to the Bears,

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Speaker 1: Jade and Daniel's number two to the Commanders. The Patriots

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Speaker 1: select out of North Carolina, Drake May, the fourth back,

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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, Thank you, Tom, the Arizona Cardinals, and then

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Speaker 1: the fifth bake the LA Chargers.

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Speaker 11: With a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I think of a detour that maybe some people did

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Speaker 1: not expect. Eliitue Neighbors the wide receiver out of LSU. Tom,

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts here on the first five picks?

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Speaker 1: Are you surprised that we haven't seen any movement?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I mean the lack of a trade here is what

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Speaker 8: really jumps out, because really, I really think somebody's gonna

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Speaker 8: have to jump up there and get a quarterback three four.

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Speaker 8: You know, maybe it might be the Giants, maybe it's

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Speaker 8: be somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Chargers too. I mean, I can let Jim Harbon knows's

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Speaker 1: college players, so well, he's gonna want and for a

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Speaker 1: roster that's a mess. He's gonna want as many picks

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Speaker 1: as possible.

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Speaker 8: I think, so, I think, and unless unless Harrison is

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Speaker 8: there for him, I think at five, then he'll My

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Speaker 8: guess is that he that he trades, he trades back there.

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Speaker 8: Uh yeah, I mean that Uh listen, you know is

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Speaker 8: Caleb Williams William's gonna go to Chicago?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, the picks. The picks

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Speaker 8: makes sense, And honestly, I think this is a pretty

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Speaker 8: good ideal draft situation for the Giants because then basically

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Speaker 8: basically you're looking at do you want JJ McCarthy or

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Speaker 8: do you want Roe mcdoonza.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that would be more ideal, I guess

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Speaker 1: is if, at least from my opinion the way I

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Speaker 1: look at the players, if the Patriots preferred McCarthy to

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Speaker 1: May and May was sitting there at six.

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Speaker 8: Well we'll get we'll get into that a little bit

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Speaker 8: about what what the Giants should do, because I think

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Speaker 8: that I think there's a lot of lessons from twenty

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Speaker 8: years ago when we were right here and the Giants

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Speaker 8: made that big move in the two thousand and four draft,

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Speaker 8: and I think I think that there are a lot

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Speaker 8: of a lot of echoes when you look at this

1452
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Speaker 8: draft situation where you had a team that had a

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Speaker 8: quarterback that was good, and they saw an opportunity to

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Speaker 8: go out and spend some money and spend some capital

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Speaker 8: rather and find a quarterback that could really change the franchise.

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Speaker 8: And that's what they did in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 8: It went out and obviously made the trade with the

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Speaker 8: Chargers for Eli Manning, and the rest is history. The

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Speaker 8: next decade and a half was history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what this comes down to me, Tom, It's not

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Speaker 1: even at this point an evaluation of Daniel Jones. For me,

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Speaker 1: it's what you think of the quarterbacks that are available

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: If you think one of these guys can be your

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning to your point, right, that can win Super Bowls,

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Speaker 1: be your quarterback for fifteen years, make Pro Bowls, be

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Speaker 1: an All Pro, potentially be a Hall of Famer, then

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Speaker 1: you decide whether or not you want to make a move.

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Speaker 1: This is not just oh, we need another quarterback, let's

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Speaker 1: just pick one. You have to have the right evaluation

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Speaker 1: on these guys. And I think, frankly, the Gjohnts done

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Speaker 1: a really good job of not letting anyone know what

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Speaker 1: they really do. You think of all these guys, I.

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Speaker 8: Think that I think first of all, the amount of

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Speaker 8: resources that they've put into investigating these quarterbacks tells you

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Speaker 8: that they're at least open to the idea. Right, So,

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Speaker 8: so this isn't This isn't some smoke screen that they're

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Speaker 8: drotten out there. They didn't have they didn't have Easter

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Speaker 8: dinner with JJ McCarthy because they wanted other people to

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Speaker 8: think that they're drafting a quarterback. That's that's that's not

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Speaker 8: what this is this And it.

1483
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Speaker 1: Wasn't just a really nice racklam.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, well if they weren't, if they wanted that,

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Speaker 8: they probably would wouldn't have gone a Michigan. But you

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Speaker 8: know this, this is not this is not just an exercise.

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Speaker 8: And the one thing we've learned about Joe Shane over

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Speaker 8: over the last few years is that he keeps things

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Speaker 8: very quiet. I mean, I can't even tell you what

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Speaker 8: one hundred percent accuracy who they drafted last year. That's

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Speaker 8: that's how that's how tight tight Joe Shane keeps these things.

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Speaker 8: You know, I don't know that that he knows who

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Speaker 8: he who he's going to draft. YEP. A lot of

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Speaker 8: it obviously has to happen. Uh with with with how

1495
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 8: this play that plays out. You know, Daniel Jeremiah from

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Speaker 8: NFL Network is about plugged in as you can get right.

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Speaker 8: Yesterday was throwing out ideas that the Giants may draft

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Speaker 8: an offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: I saw that.

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Speaker 8: I mean, that's how little people actually know about what

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Speaker 8: what the what the Giants are thinking right now? So, uh,

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01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 8: you know, to put yourself in his shoes and and

1503
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 8: to say, oh, this is what I'm hearing he's thinking.

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Speaker 8: You know, those are all those those are all conjectures

1505
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 8: and and and they don't really help. We'll we'll know

1506
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 8: a week from now what he thinks because by his actions,

1507
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Speaker 8: just as we knew we know from his actions that

1508
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 8: they're at least interested in the quarterbacks because of the

1509
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 8: resources that they spent. It's the actions that are going

1510
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 8: to speak volumes for for Joshing.

1511
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, if you get it right, you really

1512
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: can't pay too much, right if you if you get

1513
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: the right guy, there's like, there's no price you could

1514
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: put on the Texans getting CJS drave last year. They

1515
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: would trade four first round picks to get that guy.

1516
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: And he was that good, right, absolutely, So then the

1517
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: question is what's your price point in regard to the

1518
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: inherent risk is? Frankly, right now, the NFL is still

1519
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: pretty bad at evaluating first round quarterbacks. You're looking at

1520
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: a fifty to fifty type of coin flip situation. So

1521
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: what do you think the price would be to go

1522
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: up to three? If the Patriots said the move, maybe

1523
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: you have some insight whether you think they will or four?

1524
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: Are we looking at next year's one?

1525
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 5: Right? Well?

1526
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 8: So Elliott Wolf was just on he had his press

1527
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 8: conference this morning.

1528
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't see that.

1529
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 8: Did he open for business? He said, they need they

1530
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 8: need a lot, they have a lot of holes to fill.

1531
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 8: They're they're open for business. So to me, to me,

1532
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 8: that's intriguing obviously for the Giants. It's more intriguing for

1533
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 8: the for the other quarterback needy teams.

1534
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: The Vikings, the Raiders and Roncos.

1535
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 8: Roncos, everybody, everybody wants to go go up to that spot. Uh.

1536
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 8: And if if I'm the Giants and and somebody wants

1537
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 8: to move up there and and draft Drake, may go ahead.

1538
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 8: You know, I think if they if they like, if

1539
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 8: they like McCarthy, McCarthy obviously has a lot of upside, right, Uh,

1540
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 8: he's young, he's he's sort of raw. Uh, he can

1541
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 8: sit for a year and you're not gonna feel a

1542
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 8: lot of pressure to put him on the field right away, because,

1543
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 8: let's face it, Daniel's not going anywhere with this coming season,

1544
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 8: and he played an NFL environment, played in an NFL environment.

1545
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 8: He gets a year of Brian Dabele whispering in his

1546
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 8: year and going over film and and and sort of

1547
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 8: grooming him to be to be an NFL quarterback. So

1548
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 8: that's so that's the positive. Drake May comes in. Now

1549
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 8: you're talking about a little bit of a different dynamic,

1550
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 8: right because Drake May comes in, You trade up to

1551
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 8: number three to get Drake May, which is probably the

1552
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:32,879
Speaker 8: only way that that happens for the Giants.

1553
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: I would think that's probably true.

1554
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 8: I think you're you can't really let him sit the

1555
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:39,759
Speaker 8: whole the whole.

1556
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: Season, maybe not the whole year, but I think you

1557
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: can start a Yeah, you talk about McCarthy, Drake May's

1558
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: only played two years. Also, he's a rich sophomore. He's

1559
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: just I think if you look at games played him

1560
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: McCarthy are probably very very similar.

1561
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, but I still think that that May is is

1562
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 8: a little bit more polished, and I think he's he's

1563
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 8: a little bit more ready, and I think he's a

1564
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 8: little bit more of what the what's he's a little

1565
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 8: bit more apt to fit into what the giants are

1566
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,799
Speaker 8: doing right now. Well, if it's kind of that Josh Allen, Yes, yeah, yeah,

1567
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,560
Speaker 8: And he's he's a little bit more of a I

1568
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 8: don't want to say magician, but he makes something out

1569
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 8: of nothing, right, So if you look at the Giants'

1570
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 8: roster right now, you're gonna need a lot of that.

1571
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 8: You're gonna need a lot of something out of nothing's

1572
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 8: and for him to be able to do that, it

1573
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 8: would be a little more unfair that, I think, to

1574
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 8: put McCarthy in that situation than it would be to

1575
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,759
Speaker 8: throw Drake May in there and say, oh, let let's

1576
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 8: let's see what the kids got if we're two and

1577
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 8: six or two and seven or whatever, you know, doomsday

1578
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 8: scenario I could come up with.

1579
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: Now, we are not in this situation, but we wanted

1580
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: to address it because you thought it was a possibility

1581
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: of a trade up. That situation is not what we're

1582
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,480
Speaker 1: looking at right now. So I think that's your evaluation there, Tom.

1583
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: Now we're sitting here at number six. Did it break

1584
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 1: your heart to see Neighbors go off the board right

1585
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: before you or do you not seem much of a

1586
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 1: difference between him and a Dunez.

1587
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 5: No.

1588
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 8: I think they're I think they're pretty pretty paralleled. I

1589
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 8: think I was a little surprised that the Chargers, uh uh,

1590
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 8: didn't the Chargers pick was Neighbors over over a Dunsa,

1591
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 8: I think, or all for that matter. Yeah, yeah, well,

1592
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 8: and and I think we were just talking before too,

1593
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 8: that the Chargers if if this, if this plays out

1594
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 8: the way it is and it's not Harrison is there,

1595
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 8: if Harrison is not there, which Harrison went to the Cardinals,

1596
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 8: that the Chargers would probably trade back. Uh, and and

1597
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 8: and somebody else would would jump up there and take

1598
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 8: a wide receiver, uh or maybe or maybe jump up

1599
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 8: there and take take a quarterback. And McCarthy if if

1600
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 8: he's the if he's the fourth one. But yeah, I mean,

1601
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,839
Speaker 8: Neighbors are Dunza. I think they're both number one receivers.

1602
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 8: I think you know it's gonna be you know, if

1603
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 8: you when you look back at this four years from now,

1604
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 8: we're gonna you're gonna look at those three receivers and

1605
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 8: you're gonna say, well, maybe they maybe they're one, two

1606
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 8: and three, maybe they're two, one, three, you know, but

1607
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 8: but they're all none. None of them are. I don't

1608
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 8: think have bust written on them. And I don't think

1609
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 8: any either team is going to regret taking either of

1610
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 8: those three.

1611
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm with you, and I think there's no doubt for

1612
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 1: me that And again we'll push quarterback aside for a second.

1613
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 1: We'll circle back around with McCarthy that in terms of

1614
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 1: overall need, I don't think there's a bigger I mean,

1615
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 1: I think if you want this offense to function with

1616
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: the loss of Saquon Barkley Waller's future still up in

1617
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: the air, Tom, those are the team's two best offensive

1618
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: weapons heading into last year. Yeah, they're gone. So I

1619
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: really feel like there's a need here to get a

1620
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: center piece of the offense that other teams have the

1621
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: game plan against, because right now the Giants have a

1622
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: bunch of guys that are good players, but no one

1623
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,759
Speaker 1: that can really bring an offense and be the focus

1624
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: of an offense and bring it all together.

1625
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1626
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,440
Speaker 8: I agree that that they're they're really lacking the dynamic

1627
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 8: playmaker and losing Saquon obviously was a big hit in

1628
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 8: that in that regard, and Waller would have would have

1629
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 8: been helpful if if he if he does show up,

1630
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 8: maybe he will, maybe he won't. I think I think

1631
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 8: every day that passes that he's not years is another

1632
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 8: another inch towards him not coming back, right, you have

1633
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 8: to think, uh so, so we'll see, We'll see how

1634
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 8: that works out. Yeah, I mean they don't. I was

1635
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 8: looking through the through the offensive depth charge the other day.

1636
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 8: There's one player that I circled that I said, that's

1637
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 8: the guy that they probably won't upgrade and possibly replace

1638
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 8: for the twenty twenty five start of the season. It's

1639
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 8: Andrew Thomas. I mean, everybody else is.

1640
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: And you would hope John Michael Schmidz is one of

1641
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: those guys, but he could. But you aren't there yet.

1642
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 8: I'm not I'm not not completely sold on that yet

1643
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 8: with you. I think there's a couple of other guys

1644
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 8: that that could be uh you know, could be nice

1645
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 8: players for them. But I think that I think everybody

1646
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 8: else is upgradeable and Brian.

1647
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: They would be an offensive mind the head coach if

1648
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: trust me, I don't know this, but I'd be shocked

1649
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: if he wasn't there talking to Joe Shane like, dude,

1650
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: I need weapons here, Yeah, to work my offense.

1651
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 8: Right right now. But then you say, okay, well are

1652
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 8: there weapons? Are there good enough weapons? Later in the

1653
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 8: draft the question at wide receiver, everybody talks about how

1654
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 8: deep this wide receiver class is. Are there guys are

1655
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 8: the hidden gems in the second and third round that

1656
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 8: that could come in and be what maybe a first

1657
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 8: round pick two or the last two or three years

1658
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 8: would have been.

1659
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: The way I've talked about this time is that there

1660
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: are guys in rounds two and two you can get

1661
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 1: that'll help you, but the guy is gonna be hard

1662
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 1: to find. Might one of those guys in the second

1663
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: or third round or two become sure, But you got

1664
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: to hit out of the fifteen guys you could pick from,

1665
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 1: you got to hit that one guy. That's a lot tougher.

1666
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: It's a lot easier, I think. And if you look

1667
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: at the history of the last couple drafts, if you're

1668
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 1: picking a receiver in the top ten, top eleven, your

1669
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: hit rate's pretty darn high in recent history.

1670
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean why receive wide receiver is one of

1671
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 8: the one of the few positions right now. I think

1672
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 8: that translates from college to the to.

1673
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: The NFL pretty quickly.

1674
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 8: For that.

1675
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. Any other position players besides

1676
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: quarterback or even just general positions that you would be

1677
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: considered here at six for the job.

1678
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't see a lot of defensive players

1679
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 8: that are that are that good, you know at six.

1680
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 8: Offensive line, you know, it's all there. I'm not I'm

1681
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 8: not seeing the give up yet on on Evan Neil.

1682
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. And they threw so many numbers at the problem

1683
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 1: in range and they brought in just you know, Stinny

1684
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: running shot man. There's so many guys they brought in.

1685
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 1: They've at least I think that a good job of

1686
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 1: preventing what happened last year where you were in Week

1687
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: three and you're pulling guys off the street and justin Peele.

1688
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: I think they've done a good job of a winning

1689
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: that situation. So I'm with you.

1690
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:38,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I think offensive line is actually pretty

1691
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 8: deep right now. I don't know about how good they are,

1692
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 8: but they're pretty deep. And I would say in terms

1693
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 8: of the triage that they were in a month into

1694
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 8: the season last year, they are stable right now. I

1695
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 8: agree so uh and and listen, you know, there's there's

1696
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 8: no perfect offensive line in the NFL. It's all about

1697
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 8: how how you deal with it, which gets us back to,

1698
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 8: of course the quarterbacks.

1699
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: And lets and let's get to that, because I think

1700
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think the decision and you kind

1701
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: of mentioned this, I think in your first answer is

1702
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: roma and he brought Bowers consideration.

1703
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 8: For you maybe maybe for a minute.

1704
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 1: But not really. Maybe if you move down a couple

1705
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: of spots, Yeah, would you consider moving down it all

1706
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: by the way.

1707
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 8: That I mean that that could be a possibility.

1708
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:22,679
Speaker 1: Its quarterback.

1709
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 8: I gotta know, you gotta you gotta know how they

1710
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 8: feel about JJ.

1711
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 1: Right, and and that's really what you gotta know how

1712
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: convers how that.

1713
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 8: Lamb was at Easter, you know, and and and that's

1714
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 8: that's really that's really what it comes down to is

1715
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 8: did they have their do they have their hearts set

1716
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 8: on in terms of this mock draft and the way

1717
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 8: that this is this has worked out. If they're if

1718
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 8: they think, if they like McCarthy, this is a this

1719
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 8: is a perfect situation for the Giants. You could get your.

1720
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: Guide if they like them, And that's the question. If

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Speaker 1: they like, that's the if, and you know what, they

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01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: might like them, but they might not like And I'll

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01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 1: use the high school phraseology, do you like them? Like

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01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: them or do you like them? You know? And there's

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01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: a difference there, right, there's definitely, especially when you're picking

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Speaker 1: at six and you what I would consider a very

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01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: safe pick in roma doonsdays staring at your face at

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01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: a position that's a premium position, one that you need.

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Speaker 1: Do you like McCarthy or do you like like McCarthy?

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Speaker 8: I think that it's easier to get a number one

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01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 8: wide receiver from another team as a veteran, as a

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01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:31,440
Speaker 8: proven guy might have to trade through trade, yes, yes, absolutely,

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01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 8: but those guys move. Those guys move, they switch teams. Now,

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01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 8: we've seen it and we're seeing it now, and it's

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Speaker 8: you need a quarterback in the league, John, you need

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01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 8: a quarterback. Daniel Jones is a good quarterback. And this

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01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 8: is the league right now where good good isn't good enough.

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Speaker 1: All right, So with the six to overall pick in

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01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four Giantshuttle mock draft the New York

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01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 1: Giants via Tom Rock from Newsday Select.

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Speaker 8: I think if I'm a GM right now, and I

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01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 8: don't have one of the top five quarterbacks in this league,

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01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 8: the top five guys who are m VP candidates, who

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01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 8: are gonna who have you on the verge of a championship?

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01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 8: And you know I'm talking about Mahomes, I'm talking about

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01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 8: Josh Allen. I'm talking about uh Lamar Jackson, Herbert Burrow,

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Speaker 8: you know.

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01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:18,839
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe still Aaron Rodgers.

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01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence is like on the

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01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 8: CUSP right C J. Stroud. Let's see what he does

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01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 8: in the year two.

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01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: Right put strouding kind of Jordan and that kind of.

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01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 8: Ye ye yeah, category, they're on the verge.

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01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: Herbert might be there too. I'm not sure if Herbert

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01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 1: has done enough to get in.

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01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 5: I like it.

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01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 8: I like Herbert a lot.

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01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,679
Speaker 1: I like Herbert a lot too, but we haven't seen

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01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 1: it yet. At least I means you want to play.

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01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: Has he want to postseason game yet?

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01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 5: No?

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01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 1: I don't think he has.

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01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 8: Well, he's also had a pretty big knuckleheads head coach.

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01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but to have to have a guy that's one

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01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: of those what I like to call mutants at the

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01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: quarterback position that even when everything around you starts going bad,

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01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: you can elevate everybody else. That's what every single team

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01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 1: and and there's still few of them, right, even a

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01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 1: team like the Cowboys with Dak Prescott, they don't know

1770
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 1: he's like this eighth best quarterback in the league. They

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01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 1: don't know if he's the guy. Kirk Cousins is. No,

1772
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: he's not quite there.

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01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 8: I was just gonna say, I was gonna throw those

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01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 8: names out there, and Kirk Cousins is like the savior

1775
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 8: in Atlanta, and he's he's he hasn't want anything, right,

1776
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 8: Dak Prescott. I was looking through my list here of

1777
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 8: guys who I consider good quarterbacks. Derek Carr, right, good quarterback?

1778
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 8: What you can't you can't win with him? These guys

1779
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 8: aren't you need? You need the elite quarterback. And if

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01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 8: I was like that conversation, I don't think has shown

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01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,560
Speaker 8: anything yet right in that in that regard, in that

1782
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 8: regardt you know, Stafford's wont to won a Super Bowl.

1783
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 8: But Stafford was putting up amazing numbers for a bad,

1784
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 8: bad Detroit team. So he's he's kind of a kind

1785
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 8: of a weird anomaly there. Uh yeah, I mean, if

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01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 8: you don't have that guy, If I was a team

1787
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 8: that didn't have that guy, I would be searching for

1788
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 8: him every four years.

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01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: Every chance you have, every chance you have, even if

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01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: you're not sure, you would still roll the dice.

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01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:09,600
Speaker 8: Absolutely absolutely, because you say, okay, So so you say, well,

1792
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 8: let's build around Daniel Jones. How long is it gonna

1793
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 8: take you to build from the ross that they have

1794
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 8: right now to a team that Daniel Jones can contend

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01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 8: for a championship with. I mean he may be ready

1796
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 8: to retire by the time. By the time that happens, right,

1797
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 8: So you're it's kind of it's kind of a lost

1798
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 8: a lost a lost resource. Yeah, no, you need a quarterback.

1799
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 8: It's a quarterback league. You gotta you gotta keep swinging

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01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 8: until you find that guy.

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01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: So I know the answer, but I'll do the dramatic

1802
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 1: laying again. So with the sixth overall pick and the

1803
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: Giants little twenty twenty four Monk Draft, the New York

1804
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 1: Giants select.

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01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,879
Speaker 8: From the University of Michigan JJ McCarthy.

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01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 1: There you have it, folks. I usually as follows, but

1807
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 1: I think Tom and I hit every single angle of this.

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01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: Moving forward again, this will be the only question I

1809
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 1: ask if they do have JJ McCarthy if he stays healthy.

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01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 1: Is there a chance in your mind, if he plays well,

1811
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: that Daniel Jones could start every game in twenty twenty four.

1812
01:19:59,520 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 5: Sure?

1813
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean they talked about that with Alex Smith

1814
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 8: and Patrick Mahomes when we were at the league meetings.

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01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 8: I think it was I forget if it was. If

1816
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 8: it was Shane or Dable mentioned that, you know, that

1817
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 8: was that was an ideal situation for for Mahomes to

1818
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 8: spend that year doing that, and uh sure worked out

1819
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 8: for them.

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01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 1: It'd be a lot of fun of keeping the fans

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01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: in check after a couple of bad games with with

1822
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: with with that, But yes, and I agree, I don't

1823
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: think that's a bad thing to be honest with you,

1824
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: And if you're playing well and Daniel's playing well, and

1825
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 1: you have a stable environment around them and you're able

1826
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 1: to kind of take the heat coming from the outside in,

1827
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a bad way to do.

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01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 8: I'm remembering now the conversation where that came up, because

1829
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 8: it was Joe Shane who talked about it, and he

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01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 8: said that was the plan for Josh Allen and his

1831
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 8: rookie year too. And it lasted about a half because

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01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 8: they had just seen it after they were like, Okay,

1833
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 8: throw the the kid in there and let's roll with him.

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01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 1: Was that the sixth interception in a half performance by

1835
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: I think Peter kids name, Yeah, I feel bad for

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01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: that kid. He still a punchline. Tom good stuff. Tell

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01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 1: the folks would think of that you're doing up to.

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01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 8: News Day dot com is the only place to find

1839
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 8: all my stuff, Kim Jones's stuff ally on his own,

1840
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 8: who covers the Jets too. Newsday dot com is the

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01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 8: place to be.

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01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 1: Make sure you go check it out, folks. It's so

1843
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: one of the great papers out there. It makes you

1844
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 1: go check it out in newsday dot com. For Tom Rock,

1845
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: for all of our reporters that did a fantastic job

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01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: making their picks, hope you enjoyed our annual Giants Huddle

1847
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 1: Reporter mock draft. It was easy on me. I had

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01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: only six picks this year. Last week I went twenty three.

1849
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 1: It wasn't It took me a week to do those.

1850
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,759
Speaker 1: It was a nightmare. So I don't like the bad record.

1851
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 1: It's not fun covering the bad record. But this is

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01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 1: a benefit of the bad record for me. When you

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01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: get to April. For Tom Rock. I'm John shout that

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Speaker 1: you're joining us on the Giants Total Podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Citizens, the official Bank of the Giants. We'll

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Speaker 1: catch you next time. Everybody