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Speaker 1: Do you think that a deal will be struck with

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Speaker 1: very clear in his I mean his history has been

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Speaker 1: See this is why Lamar doesn't need an Asian Brian

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Speaker 1: because he just can listen to the podcast. You just

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Speaker 1: basically laid out the entire contract. Are you working on

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Speaker 1: the inside here? Are you expecting a commission check out

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Speaker 1: of this? Hey, I would love it. I take her

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Speaker 1: first cent I agency a buy three and something. I'd

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Speaker 1: be happy to take a half a percent of that.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge. We are just a week and

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Speaker 1: a half away from training camp, two weeks. What do

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Speaker 1: we at now, Garrett? I mean rookies are going to

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Speaker 1: be in the building next week. Well, I mean like

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Speaker 1: really we're two weeks away from that. I think it's

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Speaker 1: in no time. And just having rookies back next week,

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Speaker 1: which is six days away, elevates like the overall excitement

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Speaker 1: there's a lot that's gonna happen over the course of

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Speaker 1: the next two weeks. And I'm really excited. Yeah me too.

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Speaker 1: If you hear it more of an echo coming from Garrett,

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Speaker 1: People are gonna be talking about the Lounge left and

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Speaker 1: right all over the place this year. It's about to

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Speaker 1: blow up. And that's exactly. And now we have another

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Speaker 1: great guest. We're gonna welcome on Brian McFarland UH to

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Speaker 1: the Lounge today. You'll know him from UH from Russell

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Speaker 1: Street Report. He does a lot of salary cap analysis.

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Speaker 1: You can follow them on Twitter at Ravens Salary Cap.

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Speaker 1: Brian's really kind of in the weeds with salary cap issues.

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Speaker 1: He's just, you know, a smarter guy than us, So

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Speaker 1: Nick Addio and Pat Moriarty. You know, sometimes they like

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Speaker 1: So we'll start big picture. Okay, do you think that

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Speaker 1: season begins? It certainly seems like that's their intention. Um.

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Speaker 1: But certainly it seems like the Ravens are eager to

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Speaker 1: opposed to next offseason? Well, you know, originally, actually I

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Speaker 1: So my original thought was they would wait till next year,

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Speaker 1: know it certainly seems like the Ravensfield lamars the guy.

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Speaker 1: if if he does have another year like last year

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Speaker 1: And what do you think you know, you talked about

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Speaker 1: it Lamar's agent situation. You know, how exactly does that

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Speaker 1: need to do it now because if you don't have

426
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Speaker 1: any injuries, your fingers crossed, then you don't need to

427
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 1: restructure anybody. So who I worry about it? Um, I

428
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 1: mean at this point, I mean, Houston's probably. I mean,

429
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 1: he's the only name out there that is going to

430
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 1: command any kind of money. Um. I mean, I don't

431
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 1: think there's been much interest in Melvin Ingram. I guess

432
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: he's the next guy in line, probably, but he's coming

433
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: home from injury, and uh, you know, since there's been

434
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 1: such a lack lack of interest, I don't think you're

435
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 1: gonna need a huge amount of cap space to get

436
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 1: him in. Maybe he comes in a three million a year,

437
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, and then you're gonna put

438
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: incentives in. So maybe it's lower than that as far

439
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 1: as a cap number, and you can earn three millions

440
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 1: something like that. I mean, Houston is a guy that

441
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, I mean, you know, all reports

442
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 1: were from everywhere that he was asking too much, you know, so, um,

443
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: now he's banking on somebody getting desperate, either through an

444
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: injury or you know, you're in camp and it's oh wow,

445
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 1: these guys are terrible and we we really need to

446
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: get somebody in here, you know. So. But at this point,

447
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess some team could blow him away. Um,

448
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 1: but I can't imagine him getting you know, more than

449
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 1: a five million dollar CALF number. Maybe there's incentive and

450
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, incentives that he can earn that will count

451
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: against next year's calf. If he I think he had

452
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,959
Speaker 1: like nine stacks, if he gets ten, he gets an

453
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: extra million dollars or something like that, um or or

454
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: something more graduated at ten, you know, another five hundred

455
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: at twelve or something like that. But you know, I

456
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: mean guys generally, guys don't unless it's a big name

457
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: that gets cut really late. M guys aren't getting paid.

458
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: I mean that that great money, you know, this point,

459
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: at this point of the year, and with with everybody's

460
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 1: cap being so tight, there aren't a lot of teams

461
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: out there. Um, you know that w that have there's

462
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: just flushing cash. They're gonna be able to say, oh, yeah,

463
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: we'll give you ten million. He was for ten million.

464
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 1: I don't see him getting anywhere near that now. And

465
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: then another guy's contract who that is looming is Mark Andrews.

466
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: How do you feel like the Lamar extension could impact Marx?

467
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that probably comes more into play

468
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: because you want to get I think you want to

469
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 1: get Lamar's deal done to see where you are. Also

470
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: to see if you, you know, if you need to

471
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: bring in a pass Rusher. I mean, I'm you know,

472
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm guessing, Um, he might be. You know again, maybe

473
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: they don't want a pass Rusher. Maybe that's that's where

474
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: they are at this point. Um, but my guess is

475
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: if they do want to pass Rusher, Andrews probably third

476
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 1: in line. And something to keep in mind with Andrews

477
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: is the franchise tag for a tight end is very

478
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: reasonable as far as franchise tagscut It's still probably next

479
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: year gonna be around ten million, but you're probably gonna

480
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: be paying him ten million a year anyway. Um, not

481
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: right in that first year cap number. Um, if you

482
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 1: get a deal done of Lamar next year, one of

483
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: the things I didn't mention or I didn't really hit

484
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: was in you know, the proposal I made. He had

485
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: an eighteen million dollar cap numbers, so that saves five

486
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: over that fifth year option, so you can make his

487
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: deal work. It doesn't have to be five, it could

488
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: be four or three, but you're probably they can probably

489
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: make that number come down a little. So that's creating

490
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: a little more cap space that allows you to do

491
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: a little more next year. So, um, I think Andrews

492
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: is probably um, if they don't get it done this year,

493
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, that's going to be one of those you know,

494
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want to franchise tag Lamar and

495
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: it's not next year anyway, but there's probably nobody else

496
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: on the team unless somebody you know just has a

497
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, crazy year. Um that you're looking at franchising

498
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: next year. I have to look at the list of

499
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: free agents, but I think those, you know, the top one,

500
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: so I mean, you know, bad, that's something they just

501
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: go and then if if they can't get it done,

502
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: they go into next off season saying, look, we want

503
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: to get you done. Here's what we're willing to do.

504
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: But if not, you know, we've got this franchise tag it,

505
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: you know, a reasonable ten million dollars in our back pocket,

506
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: right right If if he's making the average of the

507
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: top five tight ends, he's definitely one of the top

508
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: five tight ends, so he's worth it. Right. So one

509
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 1: thing I'm curious about, Brian is is when we look

510
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: at the teams around the league, like there, this is

511
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: the time, as we're laying it out and you talk

512
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: about all the all the different moves there is, you

513
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: have to make it a free and up cap space,

514
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 1: and you hear these numbers that they got five million

515
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: against five million in cap space, ten million of cap space.

516
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: And then you see a team like the Chiefs and

517
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: they have signed Mahomes, they have signed Tyreek Kill, They've

518
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 1: signed Charvis Kelsey, Tyra Matthew, Frank Clark, Chris Jones, Joe Thuney.

519
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: Then they're gonna get Orlando Brown. It's like, are they

520
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: playing with a different set of rules? How does that happen?

521
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: Explain this to me, this is monopoly rules there. Then

522
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: they're playing not not with a different set of rules,

523
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: but with a different set of intentions. Maybe, well maybe

524
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: I can put it that way. So when they signed

525
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: the defensive Jones. When when they signed Jones, he was

526
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: coming off the franchise tag. So when they signed so, okay,

527
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: we signed with a massive deal. But his his his

528
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: um his cap number on the tranchise tag was monsters.

529
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: It was in the twenty million. So you signed him

530
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: for I don't know what his first remember with his

531
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: first year cab number, but if it was fifteen, they

532
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: say ten million dollars. In that transaction, they restructured a

533
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: bunch of players um um to uh. Sammy Watkins was

534
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: one last year when they were doing those deals they restructed.

535
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: I think he took an actual pay cut if I

536
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: remember correctly, to stay um. And there were a couple

537
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: other guys, a couple of the the the offensive linemen.

538
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: Um they restructured them. Now they're both there anymore, but

539
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: they restructured them um in order to create cap space

540
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: to get these deals done. Hill's deal was one of

541
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: those last year. Um. So so that and then this

542
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: year then they cut the offensive lineman and I believe

543
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: that might have saved them like thirteen million between the

544
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: two of them or something like that. Not that granted,

545
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 1: it was not as much as if they had not

546
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: restructured the new year before. Um. But you know, so

547
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: they're they're on the the New Orleans Saints plan right now.

548
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: Even basically it's gonna come. There's gonna come a day

549
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: where it's all gonna they're gonna have to pay the piper, basically, Well,

550
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: they're banking on the huge increase in the CAP down

551
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: the road. And they're a pretty good drafting team that

552
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: that they feel that they can you know that some

553
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: of these guys when they get to the latter part

554
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: of the part to the contract, they can cut them

555
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: loose and replace them, um, and they'll take you know,

556
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: some cap hits, but they won't be terrible. Now. The Saints,

557
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: the Saints, you know, they did it at a time

558
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: and of course this year was supposed to be a

559
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: nice jump. Um. Then they were timing it with you know,

560
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: Breefe what they expected to be Breezes last year. Um,

561
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: So some of those void years and pushing it off

562
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: into the future could have been swallowed up a little nicer.

563
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: But obviously the team and they said that the Falcons

564
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: did the same thing. Um, they restructured Matt Ryan a

565
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: couple of times and made him untradable unreleasable. Um, you know,

566
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: and that that you know, so that's come to like them.

567
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, you know, the Steelers have done

568
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: the same thing to an extent, and that's why you

569
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: know they were where they were with Ben um and

570
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: they couldn't push they didn't want to push it anymore. Um.

571
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: And then the only the only way he was staying

572
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: probably was taking the pay cut. You know, if you like,

573
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: he doesn't take the pay cut, they probably aren't keeping them,

574
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: given that they didn't seem have any interest in extending him,

575
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: and certainly understandable at his age. That whole thing just

576
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: I won't stop talking about this. I just thought that

577
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: was so shady. Uh, you know, and I'm not sitting

578
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: here like a Ben Roethlisberger fan, but like to back

579
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: your guy into a corner and say if you don't

580
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: take hey, you're not loyal if you don't take the

581
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: pay cut, basically is what he would have been saying

582
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: to fans. You're just a Ben Roethlisberger apologists, is what

583
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: it sounds like to me. I'm not I just I

584
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: just thought that that was so like, Yeah, you know,

585
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: either Ben Ben had one of two choices he could

586
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: just walk away and retire when he still wants to play,

587
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: or he had to swallow a big pack cup because

588
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: they just kept pushing it down the line. I just

589
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: thought it was kind of and I kind of I

590
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: kind of want other players around the league to recognize

591
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: that is what I want. I mean, there's something to

592
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: be said for I mean, we've obviously seen quarterbacks Montana,

593
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: Uh United's, you know, end up with different teams. You know,

594
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks, you know, end up with different teams at

595
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: the end of their contracts. But those were those were trades.

596
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: There there were teams that wanted them. And obviously that

597
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: was before contracts were such that you know, you you

598
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: nobody was trading for Ben's contract, and now he could

599
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: have been released and maybe, you know, somebody might have

600
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: signed him. But yeah, I mean, when you're a legacy,

601
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of hard to go somewhere

602
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: on your own at that point, when you've you know,

603
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: you've got you know, fifteen years or whatever he has

604
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: in with that team, it's it's a lot different. M hm. Anyway,

605
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: all right, that's the side. That's just a side rant.

606
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: I don't pity the guy. I'm just saying anyway, all right,

607
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: are there any other Ravens twenty two free agents, uh,

608
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: that you could see them reaching an extension with before

609
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: they hit the market. I'm talking about Bradley Bozeman, Anthony Averett,

610
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: Deshan Elliott, Brandon Williams could be a guy that could

611
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: get an extension. I think you know, Clais Campbell is

612
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: going to be understricted next year, but he you know,

613
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: not so subtly hinted at the fact that he could

614
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: retire after this year, you know, TBD. But any of

615
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: those other guys that you could see them reaching extent

616
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: an extension with, either before this season or during the season,

617
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: even I kind of feel like there's nobody at this time. Um.

618
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: With Bozeman, you gotta I mean, you gotta find out

619
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: if we can play center, if that's what you're you know,

620
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: if you're gonna make him the center. Um, and you know,

621
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean we you know, we saw last year. You know,

622
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: early in the season, Uh, Scurrow was you know, playing

623
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, back healthy and playing well, and then you

624
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: know he gets the yips with the snaps and Maccari

625
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: has the same trouble, and you know, and before that

626
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 1: there didn't seem doing much of a problem there. So

627
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: you know, I think you gotta I think with Bozeman,

628
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: you have to you gotta, you know, you gotta roll

629
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: the dice. I mean, if he has an all pro year,

630
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: then you know, you got to decide whether you know,

631
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: the price just went up substantially. But unless they get

632
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: him on a sweetheart deal you know where they feel,

633
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, or they feel they can move him back

634
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: to guard if it doesn't work out at Center. They've

635
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: got such a you know, such a dearth of um so,

636
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Speaker 1: I mean, such a surplus of you know, young guards,

637
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: you know, competing for the spot. And I'm not sure

638
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, you want to sign him with the idea, oh,

639
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: we can always move him back to guard, and then

640
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: all these guys you've drafted, you know, aren't are you know,

641
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Speaker 1: aren't as useful perhaps, So I mean, I guess that's

642
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Speaker 1: a possibility if they get the right number. While we

643
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: can always move him back to guard. But I would

644
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Speaker 1: think they'd wait if if if he's the center of

645
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Speaker 1: the future, uh, you know, I would think they would

646
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: have to wait on that just to be sure. Um,

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00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: you know, Elliott, I'm not sure he and Clark are

648
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: very similar. Guys. Um, you you kind of like to

649
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: have that free safety. I mean, you're not gonna have

650
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: an ned read again, but you'd like to have somebody

651
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: who really has some some coverage skills on the back

652
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: end and some center field skills at some point. So, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you but if you

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Speaker 1: get I mean Clark's extensive extension Clark got certainly you know,

655
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: didn't set them back in any way. Or you know,

656
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Speaker 1: if if Clark, you know, underperformed, it wasn't gonna be

657
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: the end of the world. So if they get that

658
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: kind of deal in the way Wink likes to move

659
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: people around and you know his sub packages and things.

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00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 1: I mean, Elliott could be a possibility. Brandon Williams. I

661
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: would think if they were going to extend him, they

662
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: would have done it when they did the most recent

663
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: restructure wherever he actually took a pay cut, um, because

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Speaker 1: you can cover up a pay cut with some future money. Um.

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Speaker 1: So that if that was you know, if and maybe

666
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: he's thinking I'm not maybe he's thinking he's taken a

667
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: year by year and you know, didn't want to commit

668
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: and didn't want to put the Ravens in a bind

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Speaker 1: by uh, you know, giving him a bigger a bonus

670
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: and then you know, having to eat that money next year.

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00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: So maybe that was just the one. Hey, you know,

672
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: let's do it this way now, and you know, we'll

673
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: see where we are next year. Um. But if he

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Speaker 1: wants to play, I mean, you know, I think he's

675
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: still playing at a high level show. Uh, you know,

676
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: a two year deal certainly would make sense for him. Um.

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00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe mid season he's playing great, and

678
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 1: they say we can't do without you next year, and

679
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 1: he's saying, I feel great, let's do it, you know,

680
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: and maybe they maybe they do a deal then, or

681
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: it's something where they want to trade for somebody or

682
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 1: whatever they need or an injury like we talked about earlier,

683
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Speaker 1: they need to bring somebody else in, they need to

684
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: free up a little bit more money. And that's one

685
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: that can get an absolute Well, well, we'll finish with

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Speaker 1: this one. And this one comes from We got an

687
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Speaker 1: interesting question on Twitter from a deep mo mood and

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Speaker 1: he asked, uh, what are the odds that Lamar signs

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Speaker 1: an extension that gives him a fixed percentage of the

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00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: salary cap instead of the normal extension structure. I thought,

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Speaker 1: I've never even thought about that possibility. Is that that's

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00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: been that's been thrown around. There was a lot of

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00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: talk on his last deal that Aaron Rodgers would shoot

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00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: for that, um because he was I think he was

695
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: coming off of his m v P year at that time.

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00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: Maybe Mconnald he was coming off the Super Bowl, but um,

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Speaker 1: I think it was the m v P year. So yeah,

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00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: I mean that's been you know, thrown around. I I

699
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: think with with certainly, you know, respecting the hell out

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Speaker 1: of Lamar, I think it's got to come from that

701
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: kind of thing has to come from a Tom Brady

702
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Speaker 1: and his prime and Aaron Rodgers and his prime, Pat

703
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: Mahomes and his prime. So if Pat Mahomes didn't get it,

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Speaker 1: I really don't see, um, I really don't see Lamar

705
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: getting that, um, you know, especially because of the uniqueness

706
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: of his his abilities, um, which you know, I'm you know,

707
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: maybe they you know, maybe they go in favor of

708
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: being able to do that. Um. But when you know, unfortunately,

709
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: when legs are part of your game, uh, that that

710
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: length of that contract, that kind of thing becomes a

711
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: little more dangerous from the team perspective. Um, you know not.

712
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: I mean I think you know the Ravens as as

713
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: they move forward, would would you know, prefer Lamar to

714
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Speaker 1: take another step in another step as a quarterback and

715
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Speaker 1: we're a lot you know, have that in his back

716
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: pocket because that's grambling ability is crazy. But you know,

717
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: run less design plays mixed them in a little more.

718
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: Um you know, so I would think that would be

719
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: that percentage of the camp. And maybe there's a guy

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00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: out there at some point, um, you know, maybe it's

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00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: maybe it's Lawrence. You know, maybe when he comes up

722
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: for his deal in three to four years and if

723
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: he set the world on fire, you know, maybe he's

724
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: that guy that could do that, you know as a

725
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: young player wins a couple of Puper Bowls. I don't

726
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: know that Jacksonville is going to progress um that quickly,

727
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: but you know, um, but I think it's got to

728
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: be that top top, you know, guy whose quarterback skills

729
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: are just you know, untouchable almost. I think Brady definitely

730
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: could have asked for that. He played ball. He you know,

731
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: whether it was his wife's salary, you know, income that

732
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: allowed him to play for less up there, but he

733
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: was the guy because I mean super Bowl of Super

734
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: Bowl after Super Bowl player, you know, AFC Championships, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: You know, if there was any guy that was going

736
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Speaker 1: to ask for that kind of thing, he was the guy.

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00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: M right, cool, Well, thank you so much, Brian. And uh,

738
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Speaker 1: you know, when Lamar calls you to be part of

739
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: his negotiating group, you let us know. So we got

740
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: an inside sounds. Well, if if you're taking half percent,

741
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: you know you need to give Ryan and I of

742
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: your half percent. You know we'll still take that if

743
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: it happens that way. I'm all signed, sealed and delivered

744
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: right here. If we're all our listeners out there, you

745
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: can find find Brian at Russell Street Report and on

746
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: Twitter at Ravens Salary Cap. So thanks again, Brian. We're

747
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: really appreciate, well, really interesting stuff about Lamar. Uh, what's

748
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: your what's your gut? Tell you right now, Garrett, we're

749
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: getting one done before the season starts. Give you the

750
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: same question I gave Brian. Yeah, and I asked you

751
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: that question last week. Um, I can't remember. I think

752
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: you said yes. I'm gonna say yes. I just feel

753
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: like there seems to be a lot of smoke in

754
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: that direction, and it seems like, you know, Lamar, as

755
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: we've talked about before in the podcast, he and his

756
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: team keep things close to the vest. They don't let

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00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: a lot of things out. There's not a lot of

758
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: scoops and Ian Rockport talked about that when he when

759
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: he joined us this off season. But the fact that

760
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: the Ravens have made it so clear that Lamar is

761
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: the guy, He's going to get the contract. It's only

762
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: a matter of time. And that you hear those these

763
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: reports that they want to deal done before camping, before

764
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: the season and all that, it just seems like it's

765
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: gonna happen. It's just the wind seems to be blowing

766
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: in that direction, and I would expect that a deal

767
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: gets done. Were you worried watching Lamar play pick up

768
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: football on a on a best book? Was I worried? No?

769
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I mean, like I think, you know, he's

770
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: mostly playing against kids that are I don't know, high

771
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: school at best. Maybe some some of the kids out

772
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: they were like eight years old, So those kids look

773
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: like more better athletes than you. I'd be worried if

774
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: you know, you're gangly well here sailing around and tripping

775
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: up Lamar. You know, there's two there's two parts of

776
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: that question. One was I worried watching him? I was

777
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: not worried watching him. Two would I do that if

778
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: I were on the verge of forty million dollars a year? No,

779
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: I would not. I would leave the house. I would

780
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: truly be in a bunker because I would be too

781
00:38:53,360 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: scared to do anything. But you're a scarred guy, so yeah, yeah,

782
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: thats I just feel like it's you know, Brian lay

783
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: a lot of it out. I mean, he provided a

784
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: lot of details for how this thing could go. But

785
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: it just seems to me like the wind seems to

786
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: be blown into that direction and I think that a

787
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: deal probably gets done. All right, Well, before we go,

788
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: we still have more questions that are piled up in

789
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 1: the mail bag. As always, you can reach us at

790
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. Garrett, go

791
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: ahead and hit me with one of those questions. Yeah,

792
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: so this question comes to us from Nicholas. Nicholas asked

793
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: about the possibility. He's really intrigued by the possibility of

794
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: Brandon Stevens becoming a rare safety cornerback hybrid flying all

795
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: over the field with Monk Martindale as a defensive COORDINATORUM,

796
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: the fact that the Ravens drafted him so high tells

797
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: you that they had big plans for him to be

798
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: really fun to have a super versatile wild card type

799
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: dB making some noise on the defensive side of the

800
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: ball in the near future. Keep up the great work

801
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: and also all at your boy for some extra shirts,

802
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: that is what he says. So I'll try to get

803
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: you shirt. I'll try to get your shirt. But like

804
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: I said, they're they're running low right now. We're gonna

805
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: have to replenish the arsenal Um. So what do you

806
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: think I mean? I think with Brandon Stevens, just real quick,

807
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: like when the Ravens drafted him in the third round,

808
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people said, h that's an

809
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: interesting move, Like this is a guy former running back. UM,

810
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: I don't think was quite on the radar as much

811
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Speaker 1: as some of the other players that the Ravens drafted.

812
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: So when the Ravens take him at that point, well

813
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: then he then he played cornerback at s m U

814
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: and then the Ravens are basically we're gonna have him

815
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: play safety and so you're like, Okay, this is a

816
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: running back corner safety, Like what is this guy? And

817
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: so there was just like some intrigue about what he's

818
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: gonna do. And I mean, I think that he's certainly

819
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: far from a finished product. I mean, raw um, but

820
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: has really good size and the ability to play both

821
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: sides of the ball clearly tells you that the guy

822
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: just from a you know, body movement and control standpoint

823
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: is really talented. So well, I think he's really was versatile. Yeah,

824
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: wild card type role. I thought it was really interesting

825
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: because he did play both spots and ot as a minicamp.

826
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: You know, he started out and in rookie camp, I

827
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: want to say, he was at cornerback the whole time,

828
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: and then I think early in O T A S

829
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember exactly here he was still playing

830
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: mostly corner, and then we saw him playing a fair

831
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: amount of safety as practices went on. So the Ravens

832
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: are definitely giving him reps at both spots Um And

833
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: I thought was what was particularly notable about him at

834
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: safety was that, like, it is this interesting to watch

835
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: him make the checks and communicating with his teammates and

836
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: and kind of pre snap movements and all that stuff.

837
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: Because like, you know, he's never done that, you know

838
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like that is all new. Playing safety

839
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: in the NFL is already a pretty big jump for

840
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: a colleague safety, right because the game is just so

841
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: much more complicated. Like even even um, who was it,

842
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: uh Patrick Crean was saying like his past coverage was

843
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: really different because there's so many more route combinations in

844
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: the NFL than he sees in college, and so like

845
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: kind of picking all that up, you know, took a year. Well,

846
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: here's Brandon Stevens, who was a running back for most

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Speaker 1: of his college career, played two years at corner, which

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Speaker 1: you're not doing a ton of moving around, I mean

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Speaker 1: slots outside or whatever. There's some, but it's a whole

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Speaker 1: different ballgame at safety, and just seeing him kind of

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Speaker 1: adapt and not honestly not look completely lost was a

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Speaker 1: good thing. Like that's a good sign. So, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: this isn't an exact comparison, but Literarious Webb was a

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Speaker 1: player who played some corner and safety in college and

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Speaker 1: I want to say Nicols State. He was a small

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Speaker 1: school guy, ended up playing corner, kind of a versatile

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Speaker 1: corner role early in his career at the Ravens and

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Speaker 1: then finished his career in Baltimore playing safety um and

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Speaker 1: was a really good player. You know, had he not

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Speaker 1: suffered injuries, would have been a better player. Maybe Brandon

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Speaker 1: Stevens could be that kind of guy. You know. He's

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Speaker 1: bigger bodied than Lydarious. He's a little bit built. That's

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Speaker 1: the thing that like, that's what stuck out to me

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Speaker 1: when I first saw Stevens. I was like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: big like this guy. Think he's more in the size mold,

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Speaker 1: like almost a Jimmy Smith. No, he's not that tall,

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Speaker 1: He's not that he's six one. He's six funds as

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Speaker 1: Jimmy six. Yeah, so one whole inch, one whole inch

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Speaker 1: of a difference. He doesn't strike me as big as

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. He's also, this is classic you.

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Speaker 1: He's an inch shorter and he's five pounds heavier than Jimmy.

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Speaker 1: So what are you talking about. He's not as big

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Speaker 1: as Jimmy. He's not. He's been telling I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: if you put him side by side, he would not

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Speaker 1: look like Jimmy Smith. Yeah. Well, there's a thing called

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Speaker 1: a scale. So a guy steps on it and it

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Speaker 1: tells you exactly how much they we trust all about scales.

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Speaker 1: Trust me, your boy, you've been packing on the lbs.

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Speaker 1: I know about scales. Yeah, that's like, that's how you

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Speaker 1: justify I haven't. I'm not that much bigger than I

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Speaker 1: used to be. I'm not that much bigger. Lay size

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Speaker 1: is all relative. Stevens is big, like the guy. He

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Speaker 1: is more in that mold. So like I like if

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Speaker 1: he's playing safety, like he has the size to be

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Speaker 1: a guy that comes up with the line of scrimmage

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Speaker 1: and makes places in the running game, but the Ravens

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Speaker 1: like his coverage ability to play cornerback. Uh, like we

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Speaker 1: just talked about in college, and so he could be

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Speaker 1: a guy that floats around the back end and makes

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Speaker 1: place back there too. So here's one thing with Stevens.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens have their two starting safeties this year with

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Speaker 1: Chuck Clark and Sean Elliott. So Stevens is gonna have

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Speaker 1: to carve out a role for himself first on special teams.

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Speaker 1: But if he if he impresses, then I think that

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Speaker 1: the Ravens will find a way to get him onto

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Speaker 1: the field. Like Anthony Levine. Anthony Levine has played not

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Speaker 1: a ton of defensive snaps, but he's definitely been on

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Speaker 1: the field and defensive packages throughout his career. Different career,

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Speaker 1: he's played a fair amount. Yeah, Like, could Stevens be

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Speaker 1: that type of player this year, like that mass army

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Speaker 1: knife kind of player. Yeah, I think so now now

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Speaker 1: now Levine was more a little bit more of a

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Speaker 1: Swiss army knife and playing some like linebacker. Um. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that Brandon Stevens will be that, but I

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Speaker 1: do think that he could be a versatile kind of

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Speaker 1: Swiss army knife type player for the defense. Yeah. Yeah, alright,

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Speaker 1: one more question here before we wrap up. This is

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Speaker 1: from Will Saunders. Uh. He said training camp is rapidly

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Speaker 1: approaching and he's been wrestling with one of the most

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Speaker 1: discussed offseason topics are receiving cores and passing game. His

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Speaker 1: question is, are we fairly evaluating these guys? So Ravens

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Speaker 1: don't throw the ball much in our receivers don't get

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Speaker 1: many opportunities outside of Hollywood, so you know, basically, he says,

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Speaker 1: if it's a longer email, but if boy can drops

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Speaker 1: the past and everyone says he's no good, Um, and

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling that we're going to release two

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Speaker 1: to the receivers are actually really good and thrive with

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Speaker 1: more opportunities. This is a kind of an argument that

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Speaker 1: you've made, which is you have to to some extent

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Speaker 1: gravies receivers and passing him overall on a curve. The

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Speaker 1: Ravens to the ball less than other teams. So you know,

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Speaker 1: a receiver on another team might have seven passes throwing

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Speaker 1: his way in a game. The Ravens are only gonna

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Speaker 1: have a guy get three or four opportunities in the game. Exactly.

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Speaker 1: For the Ravens receivers, it's about efficiency, what do you

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Speaker 1: do with the opportunities. It's not necessarily about what the

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Speaker 1: numbers are at the end of the day, you know,

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Speaker 1: receiving numbers, catches, touchdowns, all that stuff. It's are you

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Speaker 1: making the plays when when the ball is thrown your way?

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Speaker 1: That's the question. And um, but you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think the Ravens like have eight

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Speaker 1: stud wide receivers on the roster right now, where these

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Speaker 1: guys who don't make the team are going to turn

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Speaker 1: into you know, necessarily starters elsewhere. But sure like you know,

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Speaker 1: I do think that that competition, as we wrote, as

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Speaker 1: I wrote about in mail Bay this week, is really

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Speaker 1: tight for the sixth wide receiver spot if they keep

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Speaker 1: six guys, you know, and and boy can you know

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Speaker 1: the guy who I think would fit the profile of

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Speaker 1: what this question is about would be Boyken. I do

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Speaker 1: think if the Ravens were to just part ways with

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Speaker 1: Boyken from the athletic perspective that I've seen, and you know,

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Speaker 1: he hasn't had a lot of opportunities, he could go

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Speaker 1: elsewhere and and do pretty well. You know, I don't

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Speaker 1: know that he's gonna be a thousand yard guy, but

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Speaker 1: I think he could go elsewhere and do well. And

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Speaker 1: that also speaks to kind of the trade talk that

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Speaker 1: we had discussed also in reference to Boaken. On another episode,

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Speaker 1: does another team say, hey, we think in our system,

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Speaker 1: but as much as we throw the ball and the

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Speaker 1: potential of this guy's has he could do really well

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Speaker 1: where he's kind of not getting as many looks in

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Speaker 1: the Ravens system. So yeah, and at one point, I'll say,

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Speaker 1: just on Boykin, he's played thirty two games. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's played sixteen games each the last two seasons, so

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Speaker 1: like the Ravens have seen him, like they've been able

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Speaker 1: to evaluate him. It's not like if they go through

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Speaker 1: training camp, they're gonna be like, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: we have in this guy. I mean it's this third

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Speaker 1: season that they know what they have in Yes, I

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Speaker 1: would agree James Furchet is a guy who likes really

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Speaker 1: haven't a whole lot of in games. Yes. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the emails. As always, you can reach us

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Speaker 1: at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to Brian McFarland for joining us. We will be

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Speaker 1: back with you next week.