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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Welcome back, everybody. The off season fun continues

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Speaker 1: as we get into some of the latest news and

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Speaker 1: notes before celebrating the art of one of our favorite moves,

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Speaker 1: the crossover. I said the crossover, I meant the cross over.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. O'Brian was my nickname, exactly. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: like when you're doing Sober February or Sober January cross exactly.

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Speaker 1: And who better to have as a guest than NBA

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Speaker 1: news and culture writer for The Athletic Jason Jones. I'm

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Speaker 1: Miles Gray and I'm Jack O'Brien and this is my

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Speaker 1: Miles and Jack mad time. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Jason Jones, Welcome to the show. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for stopping by. Thanks for having me. This could be

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of fun. I'd like to have fun.

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Speaker 1: So exactly, come do you come to the right place.

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Speaker 1: You've come to the right place. We're just work up

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Speaker 1: in names that we should have done for the show.

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Speaker 1: The three man, We've man Dang, that would have been

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Speaker 1: nobody has thought to call up. He's a basketball media

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Speaker 1: that or a tiny bit of smoke instead of a

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Speaker 1: touch of smoke. Smoke. I like, I like a touch

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Speaker 1: of smoke. Yeah, it's almost like it's family friendly, like,

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Speaker 1: not all the smoke, it's not you. It's like secondhand smoke.

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Speaker 1: It's not all the hold on now. That's I think

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Speaker 1: that's the wrap up show for all the smoke is

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Speaker 1: secondhand smoke that they would a touch of smoke is

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Speaker 1: like hot takes and hot ribs. Because I feel like

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Speaker 1: it's a barbecue show too. Yeah, it sounds like a barbecue. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a touch of smoke is definitely a barbecue type situation.

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Speaker 1: Second hand smoke is definitely the wrap up show. It's

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Speaker 1: recorded at Johnny ReBs in Long Beach. Oh Man. So

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Speaker 1: this was an interesting week. Obviously, we're still in the

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Speaker 1: off season for those who didn't get the dope, but

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Speaker 1: the summer league ended. We have some fun moments from there. Uh.

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Speaker 1: But I think what caught a lot of people's attention

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Speaker 1: this week is Zion. He's coming back. We've got our baby.

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Speaker 1: All I needed was one video and I was like, see,

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Speaker 1: everybody forgot about Zion, but I didn't go back pants.

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Speaker 1: I need. I need to see that in November December. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to see that in December. Yeah, I'm right.

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Speaker 1: I'm like lighting my candles to be like, please guard

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Speaker 1: his body so we can watch this into the year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah that for for those that don't know,

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Speaker 1: you gotta look up this dunk Zion. He just pulled

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Speaker 1: up casually ripped the three sixty like windmill cash three

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Speaker 1: cash three sixty. Uh and I I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, okay, this is I forgot. I mean

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Speaker 1: I remembered, but you almost forget that this person is

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Speaker 1: about to come back in the league on a pretty

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Speaker 1: exciting Pelicans. Yeah, I mean it should be all. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it feels like Zion really haven't played yet. It

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Speaker 1: feels like we've got a glimpse of him here and there,

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't really he's played. So I really want

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Speaker 1: to see that team, you know what, another shooter like

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Speaker 1: c J McCollum, and just what can they you know,

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Speaker 1: what can they be? Because I'm have a football background,

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Speaker 1: so every time I look at Zion, I still think

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Speaker 1: about him being like a dominant three technique or a

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Speaker 1: le I just coming off. I mean, I just you know,

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Speaker 1: but the fact that he's playing, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's got playing ball. I just I really just love it.

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Speaker 1: I want to see him healthy and I want to

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Speaker 1: see him play. I mean, I think I think it's

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Speaker 1: good for the league, it's good for the city of

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Speaker 1: New Orleans. You know, they could have two All Stars

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of fun to see. Now we

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Speaker 1: we were talking before, who is bringing the ball up

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Speaker 1: the court on that team? Because they were at their

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Speaker 1: looking at things, Jason. I think he was bringing the

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Speaker 1: he did it well, but I don't think you want

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Speaker 1: You know, you can set c J up. You know,

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Speaker 1: there'll be some figuring and figuring it out. But I

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Speaker 1: many different things. You know what is the six nine,

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Speaker 1: But you know, but I think he can do so

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Speaker 1: many different things. Right, I know, before when we were

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Speaker 1: talking Jack, before we recorded, you were saying, it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, right, yeah, they might like I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Like that just seems to be what he's best at.

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Speaker 1: So it could be one of those teams that it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: the basketball quarter. Trending, I've noticed a lot of these uh,

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Speaker 1: a lot of these clips. There's there's people who've been

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Speaker 1: You sounded like high school principle, Like they're playing in

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Speaker 1: their long pants on a basketball quarter. Pretty hip, pretty

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Speaker 1: in right now. He could just wear when all one

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Speaker 1: of his No Jordan brand outfits, the whole get up.

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Speaker 1: Why not? Yeah, I mean that's fun. There was a

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Speaker 1: picture of CJ, Zion and Brandon altogether like courtside and

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Speaker 1: and you can just tell like Zion is so focused

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Speaker 1: on sports because he's like, what did Jordans sent me

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Speaker 1: to wear? It's not everybody else, Like, check out my outfit.

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Speaker 1: My drip is impeccable, and he's like, I'm sorry, I'm

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Speaker 1: so focused on like other things, fashion is not one

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Speaker 1: always appreciate that when I picture him in the street clothes,

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Speaker 1: that picture him and overalls. For some reason, did he

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Speaker 1: seen him and over all the while because fashion boys

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Speaker 1: It could be could be anybody. The way fashion is,

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Speaker 1: nothing will surprise me. I always just picture Zion like fishing,

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Speaker 1: But one thing that we should note is like talking

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Speaker 1: And the answer is it's the stuff that makes all

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Speaker 1: basketball fans smile for Zion. You know, so you can

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Speaker 1: talk about longevity technically at dunk and a layup are

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Speaker 1: curious as to if you can use that as an

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Speaker 1: example of how you're thinking about longevity. You really laughing.

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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a competitor, So when I'm on the court,

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Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about let me lay this ball in

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Speaker 1: hopefully it'll make me laugh. My career will lasts longer. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about putting that person through the rim. So

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Speaker 1: as far as me duncan, that's good. That's gonna always happen.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna stay happen. There's no matter what they're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I'm always dunkey. Come on, man, you're you're a pro.

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Speaker 1: He said, you're a pro to the journalist, I believe, Like,

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Speaker 1: come on, And that was the post game press conference

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Speaker 1: from that one dunk he did then the press and

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Speaker 1: they did a press conference there. Hey man, that was sick.

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Speaker 1: A couple of questions you in the back. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the sentiment, but no, No, I mean I I

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Speaker 1: trying to go with it. Well, you know, but nobody

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Speaker 1: wants to see Zion come back and drive down the

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Speaker 1: court and laying off the glass or lay ups that

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Speaker 1: much safer than dunks. Like dunks, you at least can

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Speaker 1: like stabilize yourself and hold onto something. Yeah, guys turn

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Speaker 1: just never jump again? Yeah? It's like almost It's like,

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Speaker 1: do you know what dunking is? Like, It's I'm basically

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Speaker 1: doing the same thing. I'm attacking the rim. I'm just

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Speaker 1: maybe you know, dunking and versus being like gently placing it.

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Speaker 1: But I still have to go the same distance upward

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Speaker 1: and forward. It's gotta be the shoes gotta puts on

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Speaker 1: and Chuck Taylor's you know that way we'll Yeah, chuck Tay,

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Speaker 1: there's a little short hi socks. I mean, they haven't

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Speaker 1: I feel like they're still in a lab working on it.

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Speaker 1: I look out and You're like, hey, I'm here. It's

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Speaker 1: very unnerving, but it is what it is. Okay. So

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Speaker 1: just to pivot we were talking, we wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: about crossover because this video came out with Isaiah Thomas.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's watching that, this two time champion is

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Speaker 1: watching the famous clip of Alan Iverson on Michael Jordan's

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Speaker 1: hitting him with that crossover, And first of all, it's

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Speaker 1: just a brilliant clip because you loved to the rifle

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Speaker 1: re continue, but also just got us thinking about crossovers

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Speaker 1: in general. But like, let's just let's just watch this

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas clip really quick to refresh the top to

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Speaker 1: key one A double crossover, wide opens crossover Jordan's which

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Speaker 1: is you know. I mean when he came in with

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00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: this crossover, no one had seen this type of crossover

437
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 1: in the game before. Take a look at the crossover,

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Speaker 1: Mike said, right said, yes, the crowd loves it. It's

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00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: like an optical illusion mixed in with the crossover. The

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Speaker 1: iverson one what shows like how like like how Isaiah

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00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: saying He's like, no one was really crossing the ball

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00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: like this, and the way even Michael is defending it.

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00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: It's like like playing two K where the animations are

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Speaker 1: used to one way of like defending a crossover and

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00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, they added a new step and I

446
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 1: must update my software. What did he add to it?

447
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: Like if you had to use like words to describe,

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Speaker 1: is it like a fluidity of the body, like of

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00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: the it's just that heavy, you know, it's it's that's

450
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: the head fake and just giving you another bite of

451
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: the apple to be like I got it right here ready,

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00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: it's going back and with it. And Alan has crazy

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Speaker 1: long arms. People don't realize that thought. Yeah, yeah, so

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Speaker 1: you know, just when you see it, it's just like

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Speaker 1: he's low to the ground, but the ball, I mean

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Speaker 1: he just yeah, I think that's a big part of

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Speaker 1: it to the people don't realize that he's really a

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Speaker 1: little He's under six feet tall, with like the wings

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Speaker 1: fan of a guy much taller than that. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I think I got of thinking just ball handling

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Speaker 1: as I think one of our favorite skills to watch

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Speaker 1: because it's you know, it's truly an art form. But

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, Jason, who, like, we're just going in your mind,

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Speaker 1: who are your top three favorite ball handlers of all time?

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Speaker 1: If you if you had to, you don't have to

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Speaker 1: be in a particular order, but if there're three people

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Speaker 1: who's dribbling skills, you would mind Kyrie Irving. I think

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Speaker 1: Kyrie is just like it's like watching the New York

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Speaker 1: Street ball point guard out there sometimes with him. I

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Speaker 1: got a second guy. People maybe talk about a lot

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Speaker 1: Lamar odom Wow to be six ten and to be

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Speaker 1: able to handle the way he did his peak. I mean,

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Speaker 1: people forget how big Lamar was doing that. You know,

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Speaker 1: the six ten lefty bringing the ball up, you know,

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00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: bringing the ball, you know the way he did. So

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Speaker 1: I got him, and then the third one. I think

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Speaker 1: about some different guys. I mean a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: this ball handling. I think is really fun to watch,

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Speaker 1: you know, but I don't know, it's the tough one.

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Speaker 1: I'll kind of go outside the box. So if I

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Speaker 1: go outside the box, I'm gonna say dream. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say a kimlaje wan Damn, I'm gonna go outside. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's easy to pick. Guard's easy to pick it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just the footwork and the things,

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Speaker 1: you know, the dreams, shaking all that. Yeah, it's not

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Speaker 1: traditional crossover type stuff, but just about ball handling to

487
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Speaker 1: be to be a center, and then after you retire,

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00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: you're working with gall words on their footwork and everything.

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00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: To me, that says a lot. That says a lot

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Speaker 1: about That's what he was able to do with his

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Speaker 1: footwork and with the ball. Is he candidate for best

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Speaker 1: footwork ever? Footwork? That definitely definitely Miles Who you got? Okay?

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Speaker 1: So I'm I love Tim Hardaway as a kid Like

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Speaker 1: that was. I think I'm gonna I'm gonna have a

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Speaker 1: lot of cards. Killer Crossover, The Killer Crossover, like the

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Speaker 1: air Bacon was like the one of the shoes I

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00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,239
Speaker 1: always wanted but could never get my hands on. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And like you know, I was about to wear like

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Speaker 1: heat colors while being a Laker fan, and that outfit

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00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: would look terrible. Then, I mean, Kyrie I love to

501
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: watch just for the same reasons. It's he goes where

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00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: he wants how he wants to, and just that way

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Speaker 1: of movement. It's like Jack, what you were saying Burlier,

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00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: Like he's like messy, kind of like the way that

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00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: messy just like has the ball on a string and

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Speaker 1: does it seems like there's a like it's just second nature.

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00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: It's just on a string connected to him. Like Kyrie

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00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: seems to have that where he's he's like impro rising

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00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: in the moment, and it's not even the way that

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00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: like you're not thinking about taking the next step as

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00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: you're going down the stairs like at top speed. You know,

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00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: your feet are just like kind of moving in and

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00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: your unconsciousness doing it like that feels like how he

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00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: does some of the wildest things I've ever seen someone

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00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: do with the basketball like he does He's like, oh wow,

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00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: that was that was pretty cool exactly the fact. I also,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I love I love Steph too, but I

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Speaker 1: would say personally, just to just to bring it back

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Speaker 1: to my nineties brain, Jason Williams, he like got. I

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00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: was so excited to watch a King's game, you know,

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00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: just just for a glimpse of like maybe I'm going

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00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: to see something like super fun and entertaining. So I'll

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00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: always carry that with me because I I remember at

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00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: a try out, I tried to throw the eltball off

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00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: my elbow for a past and the dudes like, get

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Speaker 1: out of here, you're off. He's like, get out of

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Speaker 1: what are you doing. He's like that went out of

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00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: bounds immediately, like you even execute. And I'm like, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm too hopped up on that commercial. Him and Randy Moss.

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Speaker 1: We don't do that here, get out, we don't do

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00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: that exactly. There was like a Lyn sanity moment where

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00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: like he came on all of a sudden, all at once,

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00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: and it was like, you know he went to school

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00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: with Randy Moss too, and uh yeah, that was wow.

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00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: That was a whole phenomena. That one clip we were

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Speaker 1: watching before we started of him crossing up Gary Payton.

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00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: Oh we gotta watch that here just just for good measure.

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00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: This is this is a fantastic. It's like it has

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00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: everything a great clip has because you have you got

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00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: the O G. Gary Payton and he's getting crossed up

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Speaker 1: by the young kid Jason. And there's a moment where

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00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: even Gary Payton is like basketball a fantastic sports by two.

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00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: Gary with the ball left side to up right to

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00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: Jake brings up cross every one side and then leaves

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00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: Gary Payton and Gary Payton has a trip him right there.

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00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: Gary Payton sticks his for it out to try and

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00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: trip him. He has while making a face that is

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00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: the exact face of the boyfriend from the Boyfriend Name

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00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: where he distracted boyfriend. Yeah. I just love how Gary

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00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: Payton is trying to look at him. He's like you

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00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: you got me, and he's grinning, and Jason Williams is

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00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: trying to be like on his gangster like yeah huh,

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00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: but he's also kind of like yes, it's like Gary's

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00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: going I can't believe he just did that. Yeah. Yeah,

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00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: he just had to shake his head and say, hey,

556
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: he got me, he got me. I do love when

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00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: an NBA players like laughing at themselves and like it's

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00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: just having fun with it and it's not having like

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00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: an ego about it, like pulling a face or like

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00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: looking at the court like what's supposed on the park,

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00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: Like no Jack what about you Top three. I mean, Kyrie,

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00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: I've done a whole episode just like Kye poetry. Just

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00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: watching him play with the ball is so fun. Followed

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00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 1: up the shot making, like he will put a dribble

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00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: move together with like the most impossible shot. You know

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Speaker 1: my answer, I'm gonna go boring. I'm gonna I'm gonna

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00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: go Iverson. Um, you know what. We just watching the

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00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: top ten of his best crossovers, and it's always like

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Speaker 1: followed with him pulling up and shooting something that was

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00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: just as pretty as the dribble move, and it's going in.

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Speaker 1: Iverson did this thing to people where like he would

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Speaker 1: get them on the wrong side of a screen and

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Speaker 1: like set them up in a way that they would

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Speaker 1: go flying backwards at top speed like they I mean,

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00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: he would put them on a skate, but it's it's

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00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: almost like they are falling backwards in an action movie,

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00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: Like they're just like their arms are like waving to

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00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: their side. Maybe the most iconic was what he did

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00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: to Antonio Daniels Philly versus the Wizards, and he just

580
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: puts him on his knee and then twice back. It's bad.

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00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: First crosses right to the left and when he goes

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00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: back to the right to finish, he's almost like Alan

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00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: Iverson's like, man, I had two for you, but I

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00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: guess the first one did you in, so you have

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00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: to do It's like Antonio tried to get back up

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00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: and say no, then he falls again. Yeah, it's that.

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00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: That's definitely like a hard one to watch. It feels

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00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: like the closest thing to like if Gladiator was like

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00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: about basketball and like Maximus like we're just like, oh

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00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: no too. He's like thankfully vanquished. Is what it feels

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00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: like when Antonio Daniels is like really trying for that

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00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: second one. Yeah, but I think of the of the

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00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: top ten crossover is like Iverson had people moving in

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00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: the most dramatic, embarrassing ways trying to guard his crossover.

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00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: Um Strickland, we we could give a you know, I

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00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: put Strickland on there too. I love I loved watching him.

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00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: That's a good one. That's a good one. You guys

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00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: didn't go weird like me and start picking seven footers.

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00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: So look, it's all it's all balanced now, it's all now.

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00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just watching these moments, it's just so

601
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: funny and I think again it's just like getting dunked on,

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00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: getting crossed up like that too. It is just like

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00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: a pure, just like me versus you moment that I

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00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: love to see, and it's always encapsulated in the best place.

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00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: Now all I'm back here, uh you know, speaking of longevity,

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00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, like, the crossover is just

607
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: as good as a standard uh stutter step dribble um.

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00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: What do you think you'll stop doing the crossover for

609
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: the purposes of longevity and just friendliness of your image, sir,

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00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: no man. Jamal Crawford lasted what almost two decades with

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00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: a crossover. Yeah, yeah, Jamal Crawford had some amazing like

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00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: just when he was feeling himself. It was one of

613
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: the most fun people to watch play basketball. That's what

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00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, it's it's so hard to even say

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00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: this because as we're talking about oh yeah him too, Okay,

616
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: at all nine of these people to my top list actually,

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00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: because they're all all fantastic. But I do prefer to

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Speaker 1: watch a like highlight reel of crossovers by a player

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Speaker 1: who played after Iverson. So that's why I'm giving it Tiverson,

620
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: because he he added something that was like a little

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Speaker 1: bit of like theater to the crossover and that fluidity

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00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: that is a thing of beauty. All right, let's take

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Speaker 1: a quick break. We'll be right back to you. Already

624
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: know what time it is. It's time for the rap fire,

625
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: very quick segment that we do at the end of

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Speaker 1: the show. We'll be right back and we're back. Uh

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00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: you know what. I think, It's time for the rapid

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Speaker 1: fire round of questions. Um, Jason, here's the This segment

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Speaker 1: is one of the fastest segments in podcasting. It's very quick.

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00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna ask you questions and we just need you

631
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: to reflectively, just hit us with an answer. Okay. We're

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00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: not going to expand upon it. We're gonna keep it moving.

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Speaker 1: We gotta run the clock. Run the clock. Okay, start

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Speaker 1: the clock. Jack, you want to start first, Yeah, sure,

635
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Speaker 1: let's do this. Okay, let's go and three triple triple

636
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: threat position. All right. Um, we already said the part

637
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: about it being quick right when he's not wearing a hat,

638
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: so that that's gonna because sometimes it is distracting when

639
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: the hat starts spinning around on people's heads because on

640
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: so yeah, okay, perfect alright, Ready, ultimate one on one

641
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: matchup could be you know, NBA player versus NBA player. Um,

642
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: but yeah, probably prefably NBA player vers NBA player. But

643
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: you know, you can take it across, like you could say,

644
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: like peak this person verse peak that person. But I'm

645
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: not going to tell you how to answer the question,

646
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: like what what goes through your mind one on one matchup? Ultimate?

647
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: Those words hit your brain? What do you think Kobe Lebron?

648
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean Kobe Jordan

649
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: NB Jordan. Okay, Okay, Now Kobe, what year is Pete? Kobe? Ah?

650
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: Two six? Okay? This is the same same answer as

651
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: superducer jabari um Pete Jordan's ah. I want to see scoring.

652
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: I want to see scoring Jordan. I don't want to

653
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: see the mature he's been with Phil Jordan. I want

654
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: to see that. You know, that young dunk contest Jordan

655
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: against that gets at that point, they're they're not that

656
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: far apart in age. I guess right. The airlines are similar.

657
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: Airlines are similar too. That would be a good question

658
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: for our episode where we're gonna interview Michael Jordan, where

659
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,959
Speaker 1: we like, who would win in a game between eighty

660
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: eight Jordan's verse ninety three Jordan's you know, yeah, he

661
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: just won't return our calls. That's the one thing we're

662
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: still trying to get over. Anyway, this is rapid. I'm

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00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: sorry we digress rapid questions. Fantastic, Jason, please keep us

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Speaker 1: on track. Question number the two, what's your in arena music?

665
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: After you make a three? What's blaring out this out

666
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: the p A system? I have no idea? Somebies some okay,

667
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: like how early we talked like bottles and B sides?

668
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: Are we talking in w A probably uh probably probably

669
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Speaker 1: probably a death certificate or actually know what? Nothing, nothing

670
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: but a jeep thing. We're gonna go with Long Beach.

671
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there you go, Compton Long. Can everyone goes

672
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: prase the young three something? This real mellow? Yeah? Right,

673
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: because it goes in it's big, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, okay,

674
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: I like that one to point to, like a line

675
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: of his from right along to to you know, speaking

676
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: of like things that people play, baffling things people played

677
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: in NBA arenas. I once went to a Cavalier Celtics

678
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: game in Cleveland with my friend who lived in Cleveland,

679
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: and I think it was every time something like bad

680
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: happened for the Calves. They would have somebody who was

681
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: doing I think an Austin Powers impression come over the

682
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: loud speaker and go, hey, hey, hey, what is this?

683
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a line from anything recognizable. It was

684
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: like a canny piece of audio. It was so weird.

685
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: And my friend and I still will just text each

686
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: other every once in a while, heyy what is this? Hey?

687
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: This is the rapid fire round? Jack continued. Okay, Game

688
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: of Throne style scenario. You can select any shooter from

689
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: history to knock down a half court shot on your

690
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: behalf trial. By that you will die if they miss it.

691
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 1: But you cannot select either of the Splash brothers because

692
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: they have both had their heads squashed like grapes by

693
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: the mountain. The mountain who's taking the shot for you?

694
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: Played by Bryant Reeves, Yes, taking it, Kobe. Put your

695
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: trust in his Put your trust in his hands. Okay.

696
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: I wish I had more to say, if even for

697
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: the bit of extending the rapid fire question, but that

698
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: that sounds about right. Moving on, what's the next great rivalry?

699
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: Teams are players that you can see developing over the

700
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: next few years. Next great rivalry Memphis Golden state. Yeah, yeah,

701
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: because they already they're kind of chippy, yeah, kind of

702
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: mad at each other. Speaking of Jordan Pool, who is

703
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: my answer to the previous question? Oh, that's that's would

704
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: be your champion. I can't believe you didn't even mention

705
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: the best friend of the podcast, Robert Keith Ory. You know,

706
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: Robert Ory is definitely the right answer because he's gonna

707
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: knock it down and because he's one of my best

708
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: friends in the world, so he's definitely gonna want to

709
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: save my life. You can see my life, right, Robert, Yeah, Yeah,

710
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: you got it? John or Jason or Jeffrey? What every

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00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: name is? I'm Jack? All right? What clank? Is he

712
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: clanking it? Okay? Jack? Going on? Yeah? Top three Sports

713
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: Center anchors of all time today would have been Stewart

714
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: Scott's fifty seven birthday. You don't choose him, but I

715
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: was going to face Stewart Keith Olberman. Oh that's a

716
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: tough one. Uh, I don't know. Yeah, I'm like, I'm

717
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: just trying to go off the top of my head.

718
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: I got the same first two and I got a

719
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 1: third one that's nailed on for me? Is it? What's

720
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: the third one? Killarn? Good one. There you cut. I

721
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: like Stillborn so much. I want to see his show,

722
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: Like on the CBS lot when he had that late

723
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: night show, watched him interview Clint Eastwood, and all of

724
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: his questions came from the perspective of like, you're the

725
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: most grizzled badass of all time and Clint Eastwood's all

726
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: of Clint Eastwood's answers were like, I'm a jazz musician.

727
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. A very awkward interview,

728
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: but he was still nonetheless very right. This is d okay,

729
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: we've digressed. This is all about rapid fire questions. Next question,

730
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Speaker 1: what are some realistic expectations for the Kings this year

731
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: under Mike Brown? What do you think? What's you feel?

732
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: Definitely topped in in the West, that's realistic. Top ten

733
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: in the West. Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna

734
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: put him in the playoffs just yet, you know, which

735
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: would end the longest streak ever. But if they're if

736
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Speaker 1: they're in the play and that they they should be

737
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: in the plan. I think I think there's enough. There

738
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: are enough teams below them that aren't going to have

739
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: the incentive to win, you know, based on their roster

740
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: and the youth they have in those rosters. So I

741
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: think if they Kings can't get in the plan this year,

742
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: I don't know when they will. Okay, wow, yeah, I

743
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: like that. And and I'm sorry, Jason, just to remind

744
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: you again, this is a rapid fire question segment. So

745
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: that was a little bit of a long answer. Um, yeah,

746
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: my bad. Maybe just maybeould just cut it short and

747
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: did Jack just asked the last question. Okay, best restaurant

748
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: bar and or after our spot in Long Beach? Oh? Man,

749
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: I can't think of the name of it. There's there's

750
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: a there's a bar over and by Lake food Ball

751
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: right by Long Beach City College, cheap drink. I can't

752
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: liking on the name. But I know how to get there.

753
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: I can get you they're blindfolded. I know how to

754
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: get there. All you need is twenty bucks and you'll

755
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: have a great job. Yeah. And what about food, Like,

756
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: what's the what's the spot that you know because I

757
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: know you are you're not because you don't live in

758
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: but Long Beach anymore. Is there a place that you

759
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: have to go back and eat at something that you

760
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: you always miss eating. I have to go to Louis

761
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: Burger on Atlantic in sixth Street. Okay, they got these

762
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: chili cheese fries that are outstanding. I have to get

763
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: him every time I go. And then if you want to,

764
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: if you want to upgrade at the cheese fries, pastrami,

765
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: chili cheese fries. Yes, I love all those words individually

766
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: and collectively. Um so that sounds fantastic. Wait where's this

767
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: bart How do you get there? Is it on Candlewood?

768
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: Was it on Clark right? It's right across from the

769
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: one time out Lakewood Mall. Yeah, there's a flower shop

770
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: across the street from it. This is would have been

771
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: funny if you just kept naming streets and long Beach

772
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: like Lakewood. Down the street off Bellflower, first Street, second Street.

773
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: Is it the Seahawk? No? Is it Boomer's Cocktail Lounge? No,

774
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: it's not that. No, it's not harder. No, I guess

775
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: I can't remember the name. Okay, that's fine. I know

776
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: when I'm home, I know how to get there and

777
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: meet up with friends. And it's like you ant I

778
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: just bring you there seamlessly and find my way there.

779
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: That there the you know, uh, you know, the bartender

780
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: tends to be a little heavy handed, which is fine

781
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: with me. Yeah, especially especially when the drinks are all

782
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: like five six bucks. I know. That's my favorite thing.

783
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: Like when you go to a just growing up in

784
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: l A and living in l A and you go

785
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: somewhere where drinks are achieving, like, are is this allowed?

786
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: The beer was? The beer was three dollars and they're like,

787
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, how drunk I'm gonna get. They're like, he's

788
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: the most expensive beer in the state. I'm like, wow,

789
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: I am abused in California. Jason Jones, such a pleasure

790
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: having you. Thank you so much. Anytime? Where can people

791
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: find you? Follow you all that because stuff? Okay? On

792
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: Twitter it's Mr under for Jason Jones Instagram Mr Jones LBC. No,

793
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: the LBC is obviously Long Beach, California. I've heard of

794
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: Jason Jones LBC. Alright, miss oh it's Mr Jones LBC. Okay,

795
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: Mr Jones lbp j L. He used to tell me

796
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: fairy tales like you used to play football. Okay, anyway,

797
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: shout out to y'all the listeners. Uh, we'll be back

798
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: next week, right, Joe, Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, you

799
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: know what we're thinking very serious. We're strongly considering returning

800
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: next week for another episode of Miles and Jack Got

801
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: Mad Bluest. That was beautiful, all right, y'all, See you

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Speaker 1: fight