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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and today on the show we are joined

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Speaker 1: by Michael Hunt Sucker of Heartland Bow Hunter to run

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Speaker 1: him through the what would you do gauntlet, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get some bonus updates on a very exciting piece

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Speaker 1: of wildlife conservation news. All right, welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light, And

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Speaker 1: as I just mentioned, we've got a two parter for

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Speaker 1: you today. The first part is exciting conservation news, an

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Speaker 1: important update for everyone that I wanted to get out

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Speaker 1: to you right away so that we can start making

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Speaker 1: a difference on this front. We're gonna be talking about

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Speaker 1: the recovering of Mayor Because Wildlife Act with John Gale

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Speaker 1: of back Country Hunters and Anglers. This is gonna be

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Speaker 1: one of the most impactful pieces of legislation that could

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Speaker 1: impact wildlife and wildlife habitat across the country in in

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Speaker 1: years and years, decades, probably maybe a generation. This is

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Speaker 1: on the scale of the good kind of stuff we

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Speaker 1: did last year when the Great American Outdoors Act was

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Speaker 1: passed for public lands. This could do that kind of

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Speaker 1: good for the critters that we love to watch hunt

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Speaker 1: learn about all sorts of stuff like that. So I

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Speaker 1: highly encourage you to tune in for this first part

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Speaker 1: because we as hunters can make a positive difference in

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Speaker 1: helping this kind of thing move forward. So the first

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Speaker 1: to be about that. The second part is going to

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Speaker 1: be diving into some deep white tailed deer hunting discussion

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Speaker 1: with Mike hunt Sucker from Heartland bow Hunter. It's an

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Speaker 1: amazing show if you haven't watched it yet. Mike's been

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Speaker 1: dedicated to bow hunting for a very long time now,

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Speaker 1: hunting all across the Midwest and across the country, and

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Speaker 1: he does a very good job of it. And today

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Speaker 1: we're gonna pick his brain about how he does those

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Speaker 1: to managing a property, how he would handle some situations

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Speaker 1: when it comes to scouting and preparing a property, what

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Speaker 1: he would do in certain tricky deer hunting situations in

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Speaker 1: run him through all these wanna pick his brain to

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Speaker 1: see what he would do, why he would do it,

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Speaker 1: how he would do it, what his thought processes, all

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Speaker 1: that kind of good stuff which will hopefully give us

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Speaker 1: and process. So that's today's episode. Like I mentioned first,

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Speaker 1: forty five minutes or so, is important conservation news that

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll listen to and that I will hope

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Speaker 1: you'll take some action on. Second part is going to

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Speaker 1: all said, I hope you enjoy this. Thanks for being here,

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Speaker 1: and let's get to my chat first with John Gale

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Speaker 1: now on the line, I've got John Gail. John, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me Mark. It's a pleasure. Yeah, I'm I

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Speaker 1: different newsletters, and I get lots of updates that send

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Speaker 1: me environmental and conservation in public and related news and

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Speaker 1: stories every day of the week. And it just seems

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Speaker 1: just so many pieces of bad news or this thing

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Speaker 1: from excise tax programs like tim and Robertson and Dingle Johnson,

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Speaker 1: the Endangered Species Act. When species become listed as threatened

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Speaker 1: the same way with humans, right, Uh. Insurance companies know this. Uh.

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Speaker 1: aisle as well. Um, I see that with the recent

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Speaker 1: introduction to the Senate, they've got a creative solution to

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Speaker 1: funding this. Do you want to fill us on that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure. So, Uh, things are still kind of coming

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Speaker 1: together around that. There's there's typically no specified what we

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Speaker 1: call a pay for how to how to offset the

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Speaker 1: expense of the one point four billion and it's not

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Speaker 1: it's not quite one point four billion, but when you

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Speaker 1: add in the tribal cyber getting close. Um, So there's

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Speaker 1: no specified pay for in the House bill, but in

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Speaker 1: the Senate bill, Uh, there's a really creative pay for

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Speaker 1: using what what all quote as the amount of all

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Speaker 1: civil or mineral penalties find sanctions forfeitures or other revenues

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Speaker 1: resulting from natural resource or environmental related violations or enforcement

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Speaker 1: actions by any federal agency that are that are not

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Speaker 1: directed to be deposited in a fund other than the

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Speaker 1: general Fund of the Treasury or have otherwise been appropriate.

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Speaker 1: So that's like a it's a lot of like specific

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Speaker 1: uh technical jargon for the bill that essentially says we're

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Speaker 1: gonna make the criminals pay for it, which is awesome, right,

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Speaker 1: So like, let's make the poachers pay for it. Who can?

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Speaker 1: Who cannot be in support of that. So that's the

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Speaker 1: working concept on the Senate side to help pay for this.

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Speaker 1: And and we're we're looking at what is called a

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Speaker 1: manager's amendment in the House bill when it comes up

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Speaker 1: for mark up to see if we can essentially cut

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Speaker 1: and paste the same paid for that I just described

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Speaker 1: for the Senate bill and apply it for the House bill. Um.

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Speaker 1: And and as we look at opposition in the House,

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Speaker 1: you're right, like most of it has been because of

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Speaker 1: the price tag, but um, we're we're also getting some

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Speaker 1: opposition back on the Senate side. The Environment and Public

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Speaker 1: Works Committee, who were working closely with to make sure

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Speaker 1: that everyone's on board with this solution. You know, they're

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Speaker 1: not entirely fond of the pay for because it isn't

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Speaker 1: brand new revenue coming in. So essentially, we're we're shifting

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Speaker 1: revenue that's going into general Treasury without any specific yearmark

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Speaker 1: to a program and shifting it over there. And what

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Speaker 1: they like to see is brand new revenue generated somehow

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Speaker 1: for these types of offsets. I don't think that's mission critical.

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Speaker 1: Finding new revenues difficult and and sometimes doesn't align as well.

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Speaker 1: And I personally like the sort of poetic justice of

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Speaker 1: taking that criminal penalty side of things. You're doing something

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Speaker 1: especially criminal on the wildlife side of the equation, like poaching.

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Speaker 1: If we can direct um penalties and UH finds and

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Speaker 1: forfeitures and things like that coming in through the wildlife

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Speaker 1: side the system, whether it's at state level or or

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Speaker 1: US Fish and Wildlife Service, if it's coming into the

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Speaker 1: US Treasury, applying it to this seems like a really

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Speaker 1: great way to achieve some justice for wildlife, Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: where it's impacting wildlife over here, We're taking what we've

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Speaker 1: been able to recover in terms of criminal penalties and

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Speaker 1: and helping wildlife out over here. Like there's a bit

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Speaker 1: of poetic justice to it. I really love, and so

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Speaker 1: I hope that we can keep that intact as it

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Speaker 1: moves through both both chambers. Yeah, I think it's you

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Speaker 1: couldn't write it up any better. I mean, that's that's perfect. Uh. Now,

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Speaker 1: related to this whole funding debate, there's another side of

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Speaker 1: this that I'm sure some people have brought up or

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Speaker 1: maybe will, which which kind of echoes some of the

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Speaker 1: negativity that came out of proposals around the backpack tax,

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Speaker 1: which you know, I know, you know about folks have said, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, hey, if you are recreating on public lands,

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Speaker 1: you should have to pay some kind of tax or fee,

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Speaker 1: just like hunters and anglers do when we buy ammunition

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Speaker 1: or you know, we we fund so much of conservation

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Speaker 1: through our license sales, through the tax applied to our

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Speaker 1: ammo and firearms equipment, etcetera, etcetera. So why shouldn't backpackers

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Speaker 1: and bikers and that those kind of people pay in

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Speaker 1: two um and so that's been proposed, But some folks

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Speaker 1: within the hunting fishing community I would look at that

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Speaker 1: and say, actually, I don't want that, because when we

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Speaker 1: hunters and anglers are the ones who pay for the

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Speaker 1: majority of conservation work, we get a disproportionate percentage of

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Speaker 1: the voice, We get a bigger seat at the table

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Speaker 1: because we can say, hey, we paid for it all,

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Speaker 1: so you gotta listen to us when we talk about

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Speaker 1: how to manage it. Do you think there will be

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Speaker 1: Are there any people were about that in this kind

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Speaker 1: of case, like all of a sudden, we're going to

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Speaker 1: significantly increase the resource base and it's not as directly

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Speaker 1: tied two hunters and anglers. Is that something we need

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Speaker 1: worried about it all? Or is that just over you know,

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Speaker 1: overblowing something. Well you hear that, but I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: how how big a deal it really is. Right, Like,

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Speaker 1: I think if you ask any fish and wildlife agency

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Speaker 1: about the need to diversify funding sources and revenue sources,

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Speaker 1: everyone's kind of on the same page as like, you know,

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Speaker 1: hunters and anglers have been shouldering the burden for far

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Speaker 1: too long and and we don't have that much more

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Speaker 1: to give, so we have to bring in other contributions

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Speaker 1: from elsewhere. And you know, you could make the argument

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Speaker 1: that it might disenfranchise hunters and anglers in the process slightly,

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Speaker 1: but I think bringing in other stakeholders is generally a

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Speaker 1: good thing, and you're not going to um keep hunters

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Speaker 1: and anglers from continuing to have probably the most important

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Speaker 1: voice in management decisions on the way the states know

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Speaker 1: where they're bread is buttered, so to speak, and license

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Speaker 1: sales are still incredibly important. So I'm less concerned about that,

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Speaker 1: and I think if worth thoughtful about implementation, as these

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Speaker 1: funding mechanisms get put into place, we can avoid that

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Speaker 1: by being thoughtful up front and making sure that we

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Speaker 1: avoid circumstances where where that could even happen in the

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Speaker 1: first place. And it's a it's a way to uh

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Speaker 1: bring in new revenue while maintaining sort of the proud

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Speaker 1: legacy and tradition the hunters and anglers have already had

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Speaker 1: making their contributions. This is a way to so I think,

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Speaker 1: elevate that and to complement it in a new way

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Speaker 1: that brings some serious money to the table. And we're

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Speaker 1: we're supportive of exploring new revenue ideas too, like that.

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Speaker 1: We've we've floated this, you know, backpack tax conversation lots

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Speaker 1: of different ways with lots of different people, and it's complicated.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you talk to our friends in the

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Speaker 1: outdoor industry, they're understandably, uh, really concerned about that. They're

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00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: already being crushed by tariffs and UM they can't afford

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Speaker 1: to pay more on top of what they're already paying

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Speaker 1: in their terror structure. So how can we be creative

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Speaker 1: about what a Maybe it's not a backpack tax, right,

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Speaker 1: Maybe we're talking about territory redirection. We're taking UM, you know,

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Speaker 1: existing tariffs and redirecting a portion of them to something

553
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: like this. Or we're working with their friends and now

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Speaker 1: door industry to reduce the tariffs they're they're paying and

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Speaker 1: replacing that with some form of exercise tax. There's I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of clever ideas out there that we

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00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: should explore with our friends and the outdoor industry to

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Speaker 1: get to something like this. And there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: interest in Congress on both sides of the equation, you know.

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Speaker 1: We we've been hearing from Republicans and Democrats both. They're

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Speaker 1: very interested in exploring what this looks like. I think

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Speaker 1: it's just too premature to have it be a solution

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00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: for recovering America's Wildlife Act. But that doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: down the road it couldn't be. And we should continue

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Speaker 1: looking for new revenue generation UM to support wildlife conservation

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Speaker 1: in general. And and certainly that's an additional solution that

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Speaker 1: ultimately we could legislate into UH feeding recovering America's Wildlife

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Speaker 1: Act funds for state and tribal wildlife action plans as

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Speaker 1: much as you know, going to the Wildlife and support

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Speaker 1: fish restoration fund itself too. Um. So, lots of opportunities

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Speaker 1: before us, and I think if we're careful not to

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Speaker 1: close any doors or tire hands behind our backs and

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Speaker 1: necessarily we can leave those options on the table and

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Speaker 1: and get to a place that makes sense for everybody. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that that makes sense to me. So so back to

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Speaker 1: the Michigan example, potentially doubling the budget that these folks

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Speaker 1: have to work with to make positive change on the ground.

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Speaker 1: That's like world changing kind of numbers there. How likely

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Speaker 1: is this thing gonna happen? Like? How is this a

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Speaker 1: is this a pipe dream? Still? Is this something that

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Speaker 1: you think like with the right pushing and prodding, it's

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Speaker 1: actually gonna happen. What's the timeline? Um? Where where do

583
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 1: we stand with this thing? And should I be grabbing

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Speaker 1: up my little party hats and that kind of thing

585
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: or what I think you should keep the party hats

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00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: in the drawer but within arm's reach. Um, we're we're

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Speaker 1: are ways away from pushing this over the finish line.

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Speaker 1: We we feel very confident about it. However, there's August

589
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Speaker 1: recess coming up. The House is getting ready to be

590
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: wheels up and go back home to their districts tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: The Senate is set to head out for their recess

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Speaker 1: some time later next week. After August recess, they have

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Speaker 1: to come back in September and and do a whole

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Speaker 1: bunch of things, um including getting a budget passed. Because

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00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: the fiscal year ends the end of September, things like

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00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: the Surface Transportation Authority expires, so they've got to authorize

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Speaker 1: that again, and any leftover business related to what they

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Speaker 1: call budget reconciliation and infrastructure deals and things like that

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00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: could spill into September still, So there's a lot that

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Speaker 1: needs to happen in the short term, but a lot

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Speaker 1: of promise that indicates this might actually move in this Congress.

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Speaker 1: And and if it doesn't, then we're not that far

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Speaker 1: away from the next Congress. And we see a lot

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Speaker 1: of the leadership in place on this bill ready to

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Speaker 1: move it, very excited and motivated to move it, and

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Speaker 1: with so much backing at the state level. I I

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Speaker 1: see it as as a big win as long as

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00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: we can really get that pay for taking care of

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Speaker 1: in the House bill. Make sure our friends in the

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Speaker 1: Environment Um and Public Works Committee on the Senate side

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00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: are okay with this concept of a pay for If

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Speaker 1: we get that dialed in, that's really the biggest barrier

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Speaker 1: to being able to to get this bill a mark

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Speaker 1: up and hearings and ultimately floor votes to get it

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Speaker 1: over the finish line and off to President Biden. So

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Speaker 1: I would say it's realistic. It's not imminent in the

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Speaker 1: short term, but it could happen um by the two

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Speaker 1: there's a chance that I think it can move at

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Speaker 1: the end of this year. If we were able to

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Speaker 1: get things done quickly so on congressional timelines, that's that's

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Speaker 1: as close to light speed as you're gonna get. So

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Speaker 1: back in sixteen seventeen, eighteen nine, we were able to

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Speaker 1: rally our community and kind of put put the foot

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Speaker 1: on the throat of the land trans or at least

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Speaker 1: the blatant land transfer type proposals and bills, and we

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Speaker 1: kind of got that at least ostracized to the outskirts.

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Speaker 1: We then in we got the Great American Outdoors Act passed,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of that I think came from the

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Speaker 1: fact that we as a community and other outdoor recreators

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00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: just made it politically impossible not to get behind something

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Speaker 1: like this. It became a poison pill to be anti

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Speaker 1: public lands. It became we we simply forced the issue

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Speaker 1: with putting constant pressure on these folks through whether it

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Speaker 1: be the media or letters or phone calls or rallies.

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Speaker 1: It really it seems to be a very clear correlation

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Speaker 1: between the action of people listening to this podcast and

637
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: others out there and people who care about this stuff

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00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: and what actually happened. Like it wasn't like these folks

639
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: all of a sudden changed their minds and decide all

640
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: of a sudden one day, you know what, I actually

641
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: do care about the environment in public lands. They said,

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Speaker 1: I want to keep my job, I want to get

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00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: elect it again, and we told them what I need

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Speaker 1: to do. So, how do we look? What do you

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Speaker 1: think from your experience being inside a lot of this

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00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: over the last five or ten years. What can we

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Speaker 1: learn from our wins over the last five or ten years,

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Speaker 1: last couple of years early, What can we learn from

649
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Speaker 1: that and apply to this to make sure this happens

650
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: too well. The mark the cynic in me says, we

651
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: can learn that no matter how well meaning we are,

652
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: the politics will always reign supreme over a creating a

653
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: sense of urgency in legislative deal making. Right. We we

654
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: saw the Great American Outdoors Act move quickly, uh one

655
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: because it was bipartisan nature. So there's some feel good

656
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: stuff there too, but it was also super interesting political

657
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: dynamic at play with some key Republicans and vulnerable seats

658
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: and and and a Republican president working to make sure

659
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: that uh, those vulnerable Republicans had something like the Great

660
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: American Outdoors Act to really run on move some of

661
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Speaker 1: those moderate votes to your point about keeping their jobs.

662
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: And so you had a really unpredictable political dynamic at

663
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Speaker 1: play that really create the sense of urgency, thrust this

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Speaker 1: to the finishing line so quickly and move the Great

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Speaker 1: American Outdoors Act ahead. Um So I think there's um

666
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Speaker 1: uh always going to be that political piece of it too.

667
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Speaker 1: And and you reference the whole public lands sell off.

668
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Speaker 1: When we saw Congressman Chafe It's from Utah introduced his

669
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Speaker 1: land disposal bill, and that wasn't a new bill like

670
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Speaker 1: that bill had been introduced before. But to credit your listeners,

671
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: to credit all the great wildlife advocates out there, the engaged,

672
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: we just have a different technology of platform than we

673
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: ever have before, activating people, informing people, and creating real

674
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Speaker 1: time communications across digital media spaces. You know, is a

675
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Speaker 1: whole new era for advocacy. And and when b h

676
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Speaker 1: A sort of lit the fuse on our end, and

677
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: our our friends and other conservation organizations did likewise, we

678
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: were able to really capitalize on those connected digital networks

679
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: to raise the alarm in and Congressman shape Its was

680
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: relatively young and and connected in and using digital media himself.

681
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: And so you know, we saw for the first time

682
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Speaker 1: a member of Congress both um, you know, yank back

683
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Speaker 1: his bill as a withdraw it. But he did it

684
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Speaker 1: on Instagram while holding this little hound dog. It was

685
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: like a classic image that's burning so many of our

686
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: our memories, like with this pivotal moment where the entire

687
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing universe that cares about public lands and

688
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: waters really beat up on him in a in a

689
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: immediate way, so much so that he reeled back and

690
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: withdrew his legislation. Did it over Instagram and Facebook, and

691
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: it was I think a sign of the times, um

692
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Speaker 1: a sign of change, but also a strong reminder that

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Speaker 1: all of us still have an important role to play

694
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: in and every phone call, every email you you said,

695
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: still matters. We saw that play out with the Great

696
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: American Outdoors Act as well. You know, despite some of

697
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Speaker 1: the urgency created with the political dynamics I described, the

698
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: most important thing that happened was that a lot of

699
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Speaker 1: people cared about it, and members of Congress knew a

700
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Speaker 1: lot of people back in their home states cared about it,

701
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Speaker 1: and that's ultimately what thrust it over the finish line.

702
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: And I think we could see something like that play

703
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: out for Recovering America's Wildlife Fact too. We don't have

704
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Speaker 1: the the unpredictable political dynamics at play, but we have

705
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: the important part in place, which is a lot of

706
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: people on both sides that care about this. Oh and

707
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: by the way, we have a whole bunch of state

708
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: agencies and tribal nations really pushing this ahead all at

709
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: the same time. So I might even argue and make

710
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Speaker 1: the case that Recovering America's Wildlife Act has a stronger

711
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: position to move this bill ahead than the Great American

712
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Speaker 1: Outdoors at had because you have such a diversity of

713
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: really influential stakeholders working together to make it happen. So

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Speaker 1: I feel really positive about it. But also, you know,

715
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Speaker 1: it's it's good to point out that everyone can still

716
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: make a difference in the romance of our democracy is

717
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: alive and well. And if I can communicate anything to

718
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: you and your listeners, it's that that's that's a good

719
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: place to pin hope on and and I'm really excited

720
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Speaker 1: about it. So what do you want to do? Job?

721
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: What what should we do in the short term to

722
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: make sure this thing moves forward even though it's early stages.

723
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: And then what should we be watching for as the

724
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: like five alarm, you know, red flashing light to really

725
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: hammer down on it. What are the key times to

726
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: look forward to in the future as well? After we

727
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: get back from August recess, we should know more as

728
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: Congress makes decisions. They started calendaring things at the committee

729
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: level for hearings and markups and things like that. But

730
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: the best way to stay abreast of that is to

731
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: UH go to the alliance website. UH the Alliance for

732
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: America's Fishing and Wildlife at our Nature u s a

733
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Speaker 1: dot com and find your favorite hunting and fishing or

734
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: conservation organization listed there and find the one you're a

735
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: member of. UH if you're remember of back country hunters

736
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: and anglers, come to our website. We have an action

737
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: alert setup supporting the legislation. It doesn't have to be us.

738
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: Find your favorite and go take action through their action system.

739
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: Pick up the phone, call your senators and your home states.

740
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: Call your member of Congress and whatever district you live in,

741
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: and let them know this is an important piece of

742
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: legislation for you and that you want to see them

743
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: support it, move ahead and elevate a sense of urgency

744
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: with their party leadership in the House or the Senate,

745
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: whoever you're calling, and we'll keep you posted as things move.

746
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: Our friends at the Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies

747
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: are during great job of of monitoring this and writing

748
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: hurt on it. And um, there's a lot of ways

749
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: that I think people can engage and participate that way,

750
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: but you have to connect with an organization that you're

751
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: aligned with, that you're a member of, so you can

752
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: have a place to stay up to speed on these

753
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: things and and move ahead. And and I would give

754
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: a shout out to the National Wildlife Federation here too.

755
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: They've been leading the charge on state wildlife action plans

756
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: and funding for those for a long time. I used

757
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: to work there myself and UH did a lot of

758
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: fly in supporting it, and so they've been an important

759
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: partner really helping leave the charge here. Congressional Sportsman's Foundation

760
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: UM is doing a lot, So check out their website

761
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: for a lot of places people can stay at the

762
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: speed on it. But you know the fact that I

763
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: just mentioned National Wildlife Federation Congressional Sportsman's Foundation in the

764
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: same sentence shows you the breadth of people engaged in supportive,

765
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: in leading the way on this. Yeah, it's a beautiful thing,

766
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm I'm excited to uh to be there

767
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: with all the rest of the listeners and hunters and

768
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: anglers out there hoping to get the same across the

769
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: finish line. So, John Less, there's anything else you want

770
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: to mention, I've I think we've got our marching orders.

771
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it so much, Mark, thanks for finding some

772
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: time to talk about this. It's outstanding. I can't applaud

773
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: your enthusiasm enough. So UM, I'm grateful for the chance

774
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: to connect with you and your listening. Absolutely, hopefully we're

775
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 1: talking again here soon with an update and good news

776
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: on the horizon. I look forward to it. We'll be

777
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: there to let you know all about it. All right,

778
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: And now we're gonna get to part two of the

779
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: episode with Mike over at Heartland bow Hunter. We're gonna

780
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: run him through the what would you do gauntlet? Here

781
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Speaker 1: we go, all right with me now on the line,

782
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: I've got Michael huns Sucker from Heartland bow Hunter. Mike,

783
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: how are you? What's up? Man? A long time no talk?

784
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: I know, I'm glad we're getting to do this. I

785
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: think I think the last time that you were on

786
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Speaker 1: the main show. I know you've been on some of

787
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: the rut Fresh radio stuff, but the last time you

788
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: were on the main show was the very first year

789
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: of the podcast. Do you remember this? I think you

790
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 1: and Sean, You and Sean came on and we talked

791
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: photography and different stuff like that, and that would have

792
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: been two thousand fourteen. I think that flies man. Yeah,

793
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel that long ago. Part of me, part

794
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: of me thinks it doesn't feel that long ago. Part

795
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: of me feels like it was a lifetime ago, but yeah,

796
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: lots lots of change since they've had children since then,

797
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: and uh that usually makes things that Yeah, that's the truth.

798
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: So how how old are You've got two boys? Right?

799
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 1: How old are they now? Yeah? Yeah, I got two boys.

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00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: Camden who's almost eight, he'll be eight in a couple

801
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: of weeks, and then Noah's five, So really getting into

802
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: that fun stage. I kind of have enjoyed all the

803
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: all the different stages, but as they get older, you

804
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 1: just are able to do more with them, and especially

805
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: with our lifestyles, that just makes it easier with travel,

806
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: with the stuff outdoors and everything. They you know, they

807
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: really enjoy it. So yeah, definitely that's experienced, Sames. Things

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00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: are Our boys are three and a half and one

809
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: and a half now and still real challenging a lot

810
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: of ways. But just get creative about ways to get

811
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: him out there and keep them involved and make it

812
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: a family thing. And it's been good. It's been good.

813
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: But no shortage of uh, I don't know, interesting disasters.

814
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Speaker 1: I think I think would be different. Right, it's a

815
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: completely different experience. Yeah, that's the truth. Well, what I

816
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: was wanting to do today, like is run you through

817
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: something I've started to do with a handful of people

818
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: and I call it my what would you do gauntlet?

819
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: So the idea here is that I'm going to present

820
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:43,479
Speaker 1: to you a specific situation, like a very specific set

821
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: of hypothetical circumstances, like you're in this place at this

822
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: time and this thing is happening. What would you do?

823
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: And then the idea is to try to have you

824
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: explained to me how you would take you know, what

825
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: you would do, why you would do it, how you'd

826
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 1: handle that situation, and kind of talk through your thought

827
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: process and and what steps you would take. Um. It's

828
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: just kind of a different way for us to get

829
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: a glimpse into your mind and your deer hunting approach

830
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: and all that. So that's that's what I want to

831
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: throw at you. The questions are you game for that? Absolutely?

832
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm always game for whatever. So then I'm gonna be

833
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: tough to like the answer, but I'll give you one.

834
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: That's all I can ask for. I'm gonna throw the

835
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Speaker 1: most devastating doozies I can think of as far as

836
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: tough situations, and then we'll see how you'll handle it

837
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: and uh, and then there might be a couple of

838
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: softballs in here for you too, but I think it

839
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: should be fun right on. And then uh, you know,

840
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: we'll wrap it up with some rapid fire questions. I

841
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: want to hear a little bit about what's new with

842
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: Hartland bow Hunter, and uh, then I'll send you on

843
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: your way and we can start getting ready front season. Right. Oh, man,

844
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: sounds good. So here's what I wanna start with, Mike.

845
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: I want to kind of begin with the offseason, kind

846
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: of where we are right now. So let's say it's

847
00:50:55,600 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: August five and you are at a random diner somewhere

848
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: in Missouri and a random friend of a friend comes

849
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: up to you and he says, hey, you know, I

850
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: have this big family farm. We used to have some

851
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: guys that are releasing it. They just pulled out. They

852
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: can't do it anymore. Uh, it's a great spot. You've

853
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: heard about it. You know it's a great spot. And

854
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: he wants you to pick up the lease and pay

855
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: for it. And you know he needs that money for

856
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: his family. And he knows you're in a deer hunting

857
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: so we'd love for you to pick up the lease.

858
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: But he says, hey, i'll give you the first year

859
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: for free, because I think you're gonna like it so much.

860
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: Come on out, check this place out, and then see

861
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: if you're interested in going from there. So you're presented

862
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: the situation. But it's August five, and opening day in

863
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: Missouri is September, right, so you've got five five and

864
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: a half a weeks something like that. So my question is,

865
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: in that situation and everything else you got going on,

866
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: he would you take him up on this deal, assuming

867
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: that you've heard of this place and you know it's

868
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: pretty damn good, and then be assuming you do take it,

869
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: what would you do in that five week period? What

870
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: are the most horton things you would do in the

871
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks right away to get started so

872
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: late in the game at a new place. Yeah, no, uh,

873
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm never wanted to say no to a new piece

874
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: of property, So you can it seems like you can

875
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: never have too many options, especially when when one gets

876
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: stale and you've been hunting this specific you know property

877
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: and things aren't going your way. Sometimes it's good to

878
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: just you know, take a break, take the pressure off

879
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: that property, and jump onto something else. And so um,

880
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: August five, Yeah, you know, a little late in the

881
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 1: in the game as far as uh, you know, prepping

882
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: for the upcoming season, but also not too late for um,

883
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: even if you want to do some some food plots.

884
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: So you know, my my number one thing would be

885
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: obviously to you kind of take a look at the

886
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: property from you know, from from the outside in at first,

887
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: and you know, learn as much as you can about

888
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 1: what's available, um as far as food cover and water

889
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: and um, you know, see what limited resources there might be,

890
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: and you know, try to improve upon those as much

891
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: as possible in a short window. Um. We're like right now,

892
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: we're gearing up, you know for a lot of the

893
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: fall plot stuff, and um, you know you can plant

894
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: fall plots as early as you know, like August five,

895
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: you can, you can, you know you can plan them

896
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: that early. Um, you just need to get the moisture

897
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: in the rain. And so what we do is typically

898
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: we'll kind of prep everything this time of year and

899
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: then just wait wait for the right time to plant.

900
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, I mean, I I think you know,

901
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: um number one, just kind of you know, look at

902
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: the the maps overview of the property kind of try

903
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, what what ways you might

904
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: be able to improve it. In that short window of time.

905
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: And then you know, another thing I probably would like

906
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: to do would would be too um you know, obviously

907
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: get cameras out as soon as possible. Unfortunately, in Missouri

908
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: we can run cellular cameras. So if that's an option, Um,

909
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: they've been. I mean, they're just there's a game changer

910
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: as far as um intrusion, you know, and and getting

911
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: in on a property and and so um, you know,

912
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: get some cameras out, find out what, you know, what

913
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: quality of deer they're kind of, what areas there at,

914
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: what what they're focusing on, and um, you know, and

915
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: then you know, beyond the food plots and the and

916
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: the cameras, obviously getting a few stand sites up. Um,

917
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: you know, hanging new stands can be pretty disturbing. And

918
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: so the if you can get that done prior to

919
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 1: season to where you can give them time to settle

920
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: and and cool off and let the deer get accustomed

921
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: to stuff, then uh, that's a that's a good good

922
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: time to do it. So I think, you know, we

923
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: have always talked about when I hunt a new property.

924
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: I love hunting in like a brand new property. For me,

925
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: It's just like something exciting about learning something new. I mean,

926
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: it's it's fun to hunt you know, traditional properties that

927
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: you know and you've been hunting for years. But I

928
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: love just jumping in a new piece of property and

929
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: learning everything that can about it. So um, I always

930
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: like to kind of start from the outside and work

931
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: my way in kind of be non not too intrusional

932
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: that in the beginning, you know, and just um, scout

933
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: scouting is a great thing right now. Um so in

934
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, soybeans, as you know are are kind

935
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: of the key of the summer, you know, the summer

936
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: being the summer the summer food source for the big bucks.

937
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: Um So yeah, So you know, this time of year

938
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: is a great time to scout from the road or

939
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, pop into a field last couple of hours

940
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: at a daylight and with the wind in your favor

941
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: and kind of glass with the spotting scope and some

942
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: binoculars and really get a pattern on on deer. Um.

943
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: They're just they're just so so patternable this time of

944
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: either so regular and then they're super visible. So um,

945
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, I honestly like August five, you say, gives

946
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: you you know, a little over you know, a month

947
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: basically too to uh to figure things out. But that

948
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: I think that's ample time to really get dialed in

949
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: if you need to do when you say, you know,

950
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: at the very beginning, he said, you gotta scout it

951
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: and figure out where the cover, where the food is, etcetera.

952
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: At this period, would you, like, what would your scouting

953
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: look like other than the glassing, like the long distance scouting,

954
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: but what about like on the ground pounding out the miles?

955
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: Would you would you walk every square inch so you

956
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: know it? Or is it too late and you don't

957
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: want to do that, you know, five weeks before the season? Um,

958
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: what would that like specifically look like as far as

959
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: trying to learn what's actually there on the ground. Yeah,

960
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I think you know you

961
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: could you can do that and get away with it,

962
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: and and and and obviously you disturb it short term. Um,

963
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know that you have

964
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: that much to gain as far as like diving into

965
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: the timber and like trying to find like rut spots

966
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: like I save that for you know, uh later in

967
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: October when or even in November, when you're the sign

968
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: is going to be so much more prevalent. You know,

969
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna have the scrapes, you're gonna have the rubs,

970
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 1: you're gonna have all that, and so um really for

971
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: for me and early season in Missouri, I'm hunting fringes anyways,

972
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm hunting food and that's basically we're not hunting mornings much. Um.

973
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: You know, we're not diving into the timber. We're hunting

974
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: food plots. We're hunting you know, soybeans. Um, basically you know,

975
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: fringe type stuff to where you can get in and

976
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: out easily and you're not going to disturb dear, because

977
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I mean, I love hunting. That first

978
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: week in Missouri season has been has been my most

979
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: effective week of the season for for targeting like a

980
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: specific buck. And it's one of those situations where it's

981
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: easy to get excited, right it's the opening week of season,

982
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: and like you want to get out there and hunt

983
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: as much as you can, but um, I've kind of

984
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: learned over the years, like it's really better if you're

985
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: really trying to target one specific buck to just play

986
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: your cards right, wait for the conditions to be right,

987
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: and then make your move and rather than you know,

988
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: basically quality sets over over quantity. Yeah. So then you

989
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: mentioned that a lot of what you like to do

990
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: at that time of years or all around that food.

991
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: Is it safe to assume and you mentioned this is

992
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: one of the things. But what I'm thinking of five weeks,

993
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: very little prior knowledge, and also you need a quick

994
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: bang for your buck? Is that likely the very first

995
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: and most important habitat project you would take in a

996
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: situation like this, knowing not knowing much else about the property.

997
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: Let's just assume it's like your average Missouri property. Maybe

998
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: it's half crops, it's half timber, and a couple of draws,

999
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: that kind of deal. Assuming that generic situation, is it

1000
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: safe just say, like, if there's a spot to put

1001
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: them in, you're gonna put something in. And then secondly,

1002
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: what would that thing be. What do you think would

1003
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: be your quick bang for your buck, last minute plot

1004
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: of choice for this kind of situation. Yeah, yeah, I

1005
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: definitely I think that'd be the focus out of the gate.

1006
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: You're not gonna jump in and do any timberstand improvement

1007
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: or uh does off any you know, places and or

1008
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: build water hole. I mean that that's kind of long

1009
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: term planning type stuff. And so UM, when you're talking

1010
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: about bang for your buck, I mean, I I really

1011
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: really like using planning Nebraska's um, whether it's turn ups

1012
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: or radishes, UM, you know, different blends. Uh. They're really

1013
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: easy to establish and it's a very small seed, so

1014
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: you don't need a ton of equipment. So if you

1015
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 1: don't have all the equipment, UM, it's not a big deal.

1016
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: If you can get that seed to soil contact on

1017
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: bear dirt, UM, then you can get it a food

1018
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: plot established. I love, absolutely love clover plots, and we'll

1019
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: you'll find us hunting clover a lot during the early season.

1020
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: But as far as like you know, this time frame, now,

1021
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: it's you can plant some fall clover plots and the

1022
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: clover will get established, but it takes some time. So

1023
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: you're not going to get that lush clover plot um

1024
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: planning it right now in the fall. So my my

1025
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: go to sure be a UM, you know, a Braska

1026
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: blend of sorts. UM. I really like the radish is

1027
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: a lot like radish blends. UM. It seems like that

1028
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: they hit the radish is a little a little earlier

1029
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: in the year. UM, then then the turnups, But it

1030
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: really depends. I mean everybody talks about that, like, you know,

1031
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: if you plant, you know, turn ups, they're gonna eat

1032
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: the you know, eat the leaves prior to the frost,

1033
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: and then on the hard frost, you know, they'll then

1034
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: they'll start eating them, eating the bulbs and all that

1035
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: and stuff. And I think it really it just really

1036
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: depends on the farm, the deer, the food tours is available, um,

1037
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: and and whatnot. So you know, we have we have

1038
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: some properties that are super high deer numbers and you know,

1039
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: the food maybe a little more limited, and they will

1040
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: devour turn up over Braska whatever like September fifteenth, opening day,

1041
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: like they're eating them and um. So you know, it

1042
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: just kind of depends. But um, and then we've had

1043
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: properties to lower deer densities and they won't touch them

1044
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: until later in the winter when you know, all the

1045
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: other foods gone and snow comes in. And so just

1046
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: just really depends on the on the deer and what

1047
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: they're how many deer there are on the property, what

1048
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: they're used to, etcetera, the other available food sources. So

1049
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: but that's this is a great easy to established plot.

1050
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: I feel like is is those smaller seed dipe plots

1051
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: as opposed to planning grain. You know, you're too late

1052
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: now for corn or soybeans or anything that stuff. Yeah,

1053
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: it's hard to go around with breast because, like you said, now,

1054
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: what about the stand prep you mentioned hanging a few

1055
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: stands before the season gets going. Would you with those

1056
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: first stands that you work on, be those kind of

1057
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: edge spots that you talked about to focus on for

1058
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: the early season, or are you wanting to get your

1059
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: rut stots, some potential rut spots hung now so you

1060
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: don't need to go in there at all ever again

1061
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: until November one or whatever. What you know, what how

1062
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: are you going to prioritize which locations you set up? Yeah,

1063
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: I mean, for sure, the first focus would be some

1064
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: observation type stands, um and and even once you know

1065
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: you could hang these stands and sit in them, you know,

1066
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: to observe the you know this this time of year,

1067
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: observed the you know, the movement of the deer, and

1068
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: then kind of dial in um. Like I said, you're

1069
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: not gonna cause too much disturbance right now, but I

1070
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: would definitely get some observation stands hung in some areas

1071
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: where you know you can at least have a starting

1072
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: point and then um, if you do learn from your

1073
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: summer scouting, you know, an area of oh, say that

1074
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: these deer are really coming out of this corner of

1075
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: this bean field and they're focusing this little pocket you know,

1076
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: maybe hanging stand, you know, somewhere close to there where

1077
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna be, you know, somewhere within and within bow

1078
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: range hopefully. Um, like I said, I wouldn't be too

1079
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: gung ho about diving in and and looking for like

1080
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,919
Speaker 1: a primo rut spot necessarily, although just because like I said,

1081
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: that's the scrapes, the rub the sign is not nearly

1082
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: prevalent and everything's overgrown this time of year. Although there

1083
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: are some pretty obvious spots occasionally on uncertain you know,

1084
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: farms and properties where the topography and the um you know,

1085
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: the timber pinches down, or there might just be these

1086
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: these great looking rut funnel type spots. And I would

1087
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: not be afraid to uh jump in a hanging stand

1088
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: in one of those, in one of those spots, just

1089
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: to have you know, something has an option. Um. But

1090
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: like I said, I mean, I I traveled quite a

1091
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: bit hunt new hunts, some new properties, and you know

1092
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: a lot of times I'm hanging my sands, you know,

1093
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: in the middle of the hunt, in the middle of

1094
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: the rut, and you know, being minimally, you know, invasive

1095
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: as far as like you know what, you're trimming and cutting,

1096
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: cutting stuff down. And I've actually found a lot of success,

1097
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: Like first time in on the stand, you know, you

1098
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: hang it and hang it and jump in and and

1099
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: have a lot of success. So, um, that time of

1100
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: year two, you know, the ruts starting to gear up,

1101
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: the bucks are a little more tolerable to getting bumped

1102
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: around a little bit. So it's just like you can

1103
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: get away with a little more that time of year.

1104
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: So back to the summer, um, back to the summer

1105
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: scouting stuff real quick. And imagine we're leading into the season.

1106
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, I told you that you get

1107
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: to have one night of summer glass the entire summer,

1108
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: only a one night, and if you don't spot a

1109
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: shooter buck on that one night of glassing, you can't

1110
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: hunt at all. I don't know why this will be

1111
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: the case, but let's just say this is the case. Well,

1112
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: I present the storage because I want to understand, like

1113
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: what the best situation for spotting a mature buck in

1114
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: this summer would be in your eyes because there's a

1115
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: lot of folks that maybe don't have a whole lot

1116
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: of time to get away for this kind of thing. Right,

1117
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: They've got kids, they've got the day job, and they

1118
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: can maybe get out just a couple of times of summer.

1119
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: Maybe the property they're hunting in the rut or whatever

1120
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: it is, They've got to drive five hours to get to,

1121
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: so they have to be choosy about the weekend that

1122
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: they choose to do this. So what would be the

1123
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: ideal scenario for you to get eyes on, you know

1124
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: what you're hopeful shooter Buck would be in the summer

1125
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: where what kind of place would you look for specifically,

1126
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: like the ideal scenario, what kind of day weather, what

1127
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: kind of location would you pick to watch this spot?

1128
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: Um film me on? How you would handle that? Well,

1129
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, in a perfect old obviously evening um

1130
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: evenings on the bean field, um, you know, if you

1131
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: can find. I feel like those big mature deer um

1132
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: tend to especially in areas where there's you know pressure

1133
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: or you know, road traffic whatever, Like I feel like

1134
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: they try they tend to hang near the secluded, more

1135
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: secluded fields, UM where they can feel comfortable fields that

1136
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: are maybe close to uh, you know, good cover and

1137
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: and so I think that's kind of where I would

1138
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: start as far as like trying to locate a shooter

1139
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: deer is you know, where is their food that's close

1140
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: to you know, really good cover that has secluded away

1141
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: from you know, pressure, And so that's kind of where

1142
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: I would start. And then you know, when it comes

1143
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: to like picking a time frame, like you know, August,

1144
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: and we're getting you know, in in into August, they're

1145
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: pretty well full grown. Um, you know, they're just kind

1146
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: of finishing up. So like if you you know, you

1147
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: get too excited and get out there and in a

1148
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: June or or even early July, you know, they're not

1149
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: they're not taking too much shape yet, so you really

1150
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: won't know, you know a whole lot about them. But

1151
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: they're by by August they're pretty well full grown. And

1152
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: so um. The one tricky thing I feel like from

1153
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: my experience is the weather. Um. You know, a lot

1154
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: of times I feel like you and as hunters naturally,

1155
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: like during the season, we're like anticipating that like cool off,

1156
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: that cold front, that high pressure, and from my experience,

1157
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: like summer velvet like August time frame. Sometimes I feel

1158
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: like that's will mess up, will screw it, dear up,

1159
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: and like I don't know why it maybe maybe it's

1160
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: just that it shifts his pattern a little bit and

1161
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: it changes his mindset and he starts thinking about the

1162
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: fall and does something different. I don't know, But for me,

1163
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: I've like in a picture of perfect world. If I'm

1164
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: like trying to get say, we're gonna go out and

1165
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: scout and try to video this buck I've been getting

1166
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: pictures of. You know, consistency is is more important in

1167
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: my opinion than a big change in weather. I think

1168
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: if you get a boost, like right now today, it's

1169
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: gonna be a hundred degrees here in Missouri where I'm at, Um,

1170
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: you know today tonight would not be at night that

1171
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: I would want to be in the field, nor what

1172
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: I think would be great you know for deer movement. Um,

1173
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: But if it was you know, gonna be in nineties

1174
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: like it has been or eighty five whatever. Consistent like

1175
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: consistent weather, I think produces kind of consistent you know

1176
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: results in the deer. That's a really interesting point when

1177
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about, but when I look back on

1178
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: summer sightings. There's something to be said about that. Um,

1179
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: that's really interesting because I mean I just I just

1180
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: remember early on like oh yeah, like this cold front

1181
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: is coming through, like let's go out and like you know,

1182
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: let's go try to film with Elvet Bucks. And then

1183
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,919
Speaker 1: like you don't see hardly much at all, like what's

1184
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: going on? Like I don't know, I don't know. I

1185
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: don't know if I don't know if this is something

1186
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: that other people experienced or not. But that's just kind

1187
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: of Shaun and I have always talked about that. How

1188
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, you anticipate eight cold fronts coming during the season,

1189
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: but like even early season a little bit, I feel

1190
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: like a big cold front can kind of be a

1191
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: little a little wacky. Yeah, I've certainly seen, you know

1192
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: when there is that consistent warm weather and you're thinking, oh,

1193
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: they wouldn't want to move and it's so high like this,

1194
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: and the bam, there they are, they're there night. So

1195
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: something to it? Maybe what about what about this one?

1196
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: And this is this is something that I wouldn't wish

1197
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: on my worst enemy, but I'm gonna wish it on

1198
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: you for the moment. Imagine, imagine you have a property

1199
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: that for whatever reason, you could not get out to

1200
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: see it all. After you plan your food plots, so

1201
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: you plant in your you know, mid August, late August,

1202
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 1: whatever time firm it is, you got those brassicas or

1203
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: whatever you plan in the ground. You can't get back

1204
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: to the property until September four. So it's the night,

1205
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: it's the night before opening day. You're heading in to

1206
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: try to get your opening day hunt, and you've got

1207
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: the weekend whatever it is. You get there that night

1208
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: and you glass the area and you see that all

1209
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: of your food plots, literally every one has failed. There

1210
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: was a drought. It's just dirt fields. You've got nothing

1211
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: planted that you put in, nothing's alive and grain and kicking.

1212
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: What would you do for that first weekend hunt? How

1213
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: would you handle that situation knowing knowing nothing else? Well,

1214
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: that's like you said, you wouldn't wish it on anybody.

1215
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: But that's a pretty normal thing for for people. I

1216
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:24,919
Speaker 1: feel like, um, even for us. You know, we've um,

1217
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think it's probably been three years ago. Um,

1218
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,799
Speaker 1: we got no rain, no rain, no rain. We planted

1219
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: and got like a tiny little bit of rain and

1220
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: then nothing afterwards. Since the food plots were just trashed

1221
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: and so um crazy crazy enough, Sean and I went

1222
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: up to hunt um man, I want to say. Yeah,

1223
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 1: it was opening weekend, opening weekend, and the plots were terrible.

1224
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: We we literally tilled them up and replaying them. We

1225
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: had some rain coming, so it was like September and

1226
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: so like we knew that these plots weren't gonna pretty

1227
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: just like bulbs or whatever, but like as far as

1228
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: like any sort of forge, you know, we were like,

1229
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna plan them in turnips and at

1230
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: least they'll have the leaves to browse on. And um,

1231
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: so that's what we did. We planned the food plot

1232
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: opening day of our opening weekend of Missouri season and

1233
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: actually ended up coming back like two weeks later, very

1234
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 1: end of September and killed the buck over one of

1235
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: those food plots. So nice he was coming in. They

1236
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: were just very you know, the the tournaments were really

1237
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 1: really uh fresh growth, but they were browsing on them

1238
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: and kind of just picking through them as they were

1239
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: going out towards the destination field. So um, you know,

1240
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: it's not it's not uncommon that it's just a gamble

1241
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: this time of year. Obviously, especially in the Midwest, it's

1242
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: just hot and it's dry, and you know, the rains

1243
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: come in spurts, and so timing it is is key,

1244
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: like I said, UM, and sometimes you just you can

1245
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 1: do everything in your power to to uh get it

1246
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,679
Speaker 1: done and it still doesn't work out. So but back

1247
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 1: back to kind of your your question of like what

1248
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 1: how to handle that, Like, you know, not everybody's gonna

1249
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, go in and replant their food pots and

1250
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: till them up. But um, hopefully in that case, like

1251
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: you said, you know there are other food sources available, um,

1252
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,480
Speaker 1: and you can focus on those food sources. The Midwest

1253
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 1: is you know, corn, soybeans. Uh. We have a lot

1254
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: of mature oaks, a lot of acorns, and so there's

1255
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: a lot of food and brows you know, readily available

1256
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: for for deer. So it just may kind of change

1257
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: up your kind of your your strategy a little bit

1258
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: and you may have to kind of, um refocus your

1259
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: efforts on the existing food sources, uh and the other

1260
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: the other food sourches that are available. UM. One thing

1261
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: you know worth worth mentioning that's more applicable to too

1262
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: late season. But uh, a lot of guys you know,

1263
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 1: like I said, don't have the equipment or the ability

1264
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: to plant corn and soybeans and um row crops that

1265
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: type of stuff. But one thing that we've done um

1266
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: in the past is and actually we still do on

1267
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: certain properties where you know, it just doesn't justify us

1268
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 1: coming in and planting our own grain plots, is you know,

1269
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: we'll we will buy the grain off of the farmer.

1270
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: And so if a farmer is planting, you know, hunter

1271
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: acre field and we wanted to leave two acres and soybeans,

1272
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: like when he goes and harvests, you know, harvest the beans,

1273
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:18,839
Speaker 1: we know kind of the average of the field, and

1274
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 1: and we'll actually just buy those beans from him. Uh.

1275
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: And that's you know, for me, for us, you know,

1276
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: time is just a limited resource, and so uh it's

1277
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: well worth it rather than us trying to plant our

1278
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,799
Speaker 1: own grain plots on all of our properties all across

1279
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: the board. So that's something that I would encourage people

1280
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 1: to consider and and at least talk to the landowner,

1281
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: talk to the farmer, um and and and consider that

1282
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: because late season that is absolutely a game changer in Missouri. Yeah,

1283
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: but so you found farmers pretty open to that kind

1284
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: of thing because I guess it saves them time anyways

1285
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: as well. They get paid and they don't need to

1286
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: harvest it. That's kind of a win for them too, maybe, right, Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

1287
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 1: I saved him a little bit of time for the

1288
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: harvest and at the end of the day, they're getting

1289
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: the same you know, the same around of revenue and

1290
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 1: and so it works works out. Well. Yeah, I like it.

1291
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: And then some of us, like you know, like on

1292
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 1: our main property in Missouri that Shawn's dad is actually owns,

1293
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 1: and um, so you know basically that that farmer cash

1294
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: rents from him and then he just basically takes that

1295
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: out of the cash rent payment or whatever, just decreases it.

1296
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: And so, um, you know, there's always always ways to

1297
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: work it out. But I think, you know, a lot

1298
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 1: of people having those conversations with the farmers may may

1299
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: change things. And Missouri is is is very interesting because

1300
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 1: after the rifle season in Missouri, man, it's just a

1301
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 1: different world. It's a different world here Missouri. Like I

1302
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: remember just growing up, like thinking like I gotta get

1303
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: my buck, my archery buck killed before gun season because

1304
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: afterwards it's just such such a tough deal. Um. But

1305
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: if you have standing grain and standing food that can

1306
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: really really change the game. Yeah. Yeah, ditto here in Michigan.

1307
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: Um So, one more preseason situation. I want to run

1308
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: you by, and this, I think this is something you'll

1309
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,799
Speaker 1: be able to relate to some from some past years

1310
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: of hunting that I know you've had with some of

1311
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 1: these deer. Imagine you've got a target buck who's eluded

1312
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 1: you for several years. Let's say there's been two years

1313
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,719
Speaker 1: he was he was four and then he was five.

1314
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 1: In both years he slipped through your fingers weren't able

1315
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 1: to get him killed. Now it's a year three with

1316
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 1: this deer. He's a six and a half year old,

1317
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: and you're going into the off season thinking like, this

1318
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: is the deer, this is the only deer this year

1319
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: that I really want to kill, given the history of

1320
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: the close calls, he's a stud. Uh, what would you

1321
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: do in the off season different than everything else we've

1322
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: discussed already, Like what unique tweaks would you make if

1323
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: you knew you were preparing for that one deer? Um? So, yeah,

1324
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 1: we've definitely had these situations and scenarios, and I feel

1325
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 1: like every year, I mean, like you mentioned, you may

1326
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: not have had opportunity at this deer, but like we're

1327
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: running cameras, we're seeing them on the hoof. You know,

1328
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: we're learning and learning more and more every year, every year,

1329
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 1: every year, and like we're kind of starting to put

1330
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: those pieces to the puzzle together. And the more that

1331
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: you learn about this deer, you learn about his habits,

1332
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 1: his you know, his frequencies, his home range, what you know,

1333
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: what he prefers uh different times a year. I mean,

1334
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable the amount of information that we gather

1335
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: just through observation and trail cameras. Um. And that's what

1336
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: it's for me. I mean, that's that's what's all about.

1337
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 1: Is that whole process of of you know, people, people

1338
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,560
Speaker 1: that don't don't hunt and that don't you know, necessarily

1339
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: managed deer or or follow deer year after year, don't

1340
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: don't quite get. But it's just like, I mean, they're smart,

1341
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 1: they're very smart, and they're hard to kill, and you know,

1342
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: fooling one in his own game is kind of is

1343
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: kind of the ultimate ultimate prize and so um. But

1344
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: like you said, you know, if you even if you

1345
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: may not have a chance at him, you're still learning,

1346
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: gathering this information, and and so going into the season,

1347
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: I kind of like to look back and say, Okay,

1348
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 1: like where have we seen this deer the most? Where

1349
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: we getting pictured of them the most. Let's kind of

1350
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: like map out his core area. And we've done it

1351
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: to a lot of times to where all right, this

1352
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: is this deer's core area here he really like hammers

1353
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: the Braskas, or he really hammers the clover. Let's get

1354
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:26,719
Speaker 1: something established close to his core area where he's betting,

1355
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: where he's spending a lot of his time. And we've

1356
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: actually set up like spots and food plots specifically for

1357
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: a specific buck, just because we've learned so much about

1358
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: him and we really want to go all in on him. So, UM,

1359
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: I know that it's it's been really effective for us

1360
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: in the past. I mean killing killing a mature DearS

1361
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: is difficult enough as it is, but if you can,

1362
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, put the food that he prefers close to

1363
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 1: the area that he prefers to bed, and you know,

1364
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 1: get your set up in a spot where you know

1365
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: you can get in and and catch catch the proper

1366
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: win and and and pull it off at it can

1367
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: be extremely effective. Um. Actually tie tie easily who's who's

1368
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: on our show and films with us quite a bit.

1369
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: He actually killed his I believe it was his biggest

1370
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: Missouri buck to date last year and it was hundred

1371
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: lower huch deer um, just a giant from Missouri. And

1372
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: he had actually, just like I was talking about, had

1373
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: been hunting this deer uh or Ben had been like

1374
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: kind of watching him. He kinda uh. He was he

1375
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: was five last year, so the year before he was four,

1376
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 1: he was gonna hunt him. He decided not to let

1377
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 1: him go one more year. But even then he was,

1378
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, paying attention to his patterns, you know, and

1379
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: watching them and figuring everything out. And so he actually

1380
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: came in, cleared off this area and planted a clover

1381
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 1: plot frost seated it in the spring, and then came

1382
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: back and overseated it in the fall. It was just lush,

1383
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: just perfect, and it was really close to where this

1384
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 1: deer like the bed, and coming into season. He was

1385
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: just he wasn't really really consistent on this clover plot um,

1386
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: and so he was trying to figure out man like,

1387
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: I don't know when when I want to hunt him,

1388
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: Like he hasn't been consistent enough for me to hunt.

1389
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: But then he's like, man, then all of a sudden, boom,

1390
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: he shows up in daylight, and so he's like man,

1391
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: he's like, I, I ston't know exactly what to do.

1392
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,719
Speaker 1: And he started looking into it and and he started

1393
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: looking at the weather patterns and compared those two, uh

1394
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:27,639
Speaker 1: the times when the buck was showing up in daylight.

1395
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 1: And he actually went back to the weather history and

1396
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 1: looked and what he found was when that deer was

1397
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 1: daylighting in the evening, it was when the wind was

1398
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: out of the east in the morning. And so when

1399
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,799
Speaker 1: that when that buck went to bed in the morning,

1400
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: and when when when when the wind was out of

1401
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: the east, was when he would bed really close to

1402
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: that food plot, and so he would come and feed

1403
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: in at that evening. One of the tough parts was

1404
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: is the eastern easterly wind was to the buck's advantage,

1405
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: so it was not a great wind for like the

1406
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 1: for the stand he was hunting him at him he

1407
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: really wanted like a north wind. Um is what he's

1408
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 1: had to set a stand up for. And so he

1409
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: kind of watched the observed and kind of you know, uh,

1410
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: played it, played its safe, and then he finally got

1411
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: the weather, he hunted a couple of times, didn't see him,

1412
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 1: and then you know, a few days later, got the

1413
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: weather perfect to wear. It was actually an east wind

1414
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: in the morning, switching to a north wind in the evening,

1415
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: and he was able to slip in there, and sure

1416
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 1: enough the buck showed up and he shot him, shot

1417
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 1: him right in that food plot that he built for him.

1418
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 1: So not much more of rewarding than that than when

1419
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 1: you like really you know, figure it, figure out all

1420
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: that information and you really put all that together, and

1421
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's just cool because like there

1422
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: is a science to it. There is uh, there's a

1423
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 1: rhyme and a reason for everything that the white tail

1424
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: deer does. And you know, I know that when I

1425
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 1: initially got started archery hunting, like that was not something

1426
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: that I ever thought about. Right, you're just diving in

1427
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: your hunting, and of course you get lucky, of course

1428
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: you can. During the rut. You know, anything could happen,

1429
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 1: and so like you killed deer and you learned and

1430
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: and you figure it out. But like really dialing in

1431
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 1: and really patterning a deer um, it's pretty cool. I

1432
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: love I love when you can get that deep into it.

1433
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 1: You know, I kind of like this scenario you painted

1434
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: with tie, So I'm curious how you would handle something

1435
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 1: like this. Let's say you've got back to this target

1436
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,759
Speaker 1: buck circumstances. We've got this buck you've been after forever.

1437
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: He's the one, but all through Like let's say you

1438
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: saw him in the summer, you knew he was there,

1439
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: you knew he was alive, he was around. Maybe you

1440
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 1: got one picture of him in September, so you know

1441
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: he he stuck around once we got into the fall.

1442
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: But now he's disappeared. He's he's just nocturnal, very infrequent

1443
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 1: on your cameras, and nocturnal only. And that continues, that

1444
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: continues at the beginning of the season, and it just

1445
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: keeps on going. You're getting zero daylight pictures of him.

1446
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 1: You've had zero daylight settings of him. You've there's been

1447
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 1: some nights that you couldn't hunt, but you got out

1448
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 1: on the hilltop and you glass couldn't see him nothing.

1449
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,679
Speaker 1: At what point, assuming zero daylight pick or in zero

1450
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: daylight settings, at what point would you take a stab

1451
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: at him, like an aggressive stab at him. Are you

1452
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 1: gonna wait all the way till the rut and or

1453
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 1: maybe again, assuming no daylight sign at all, would you

1454
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: let that keep you out of the good stuff all

1455
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 1: the way to the rut? Or would you take a stab?

1456
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: If a cold front pushed through in mid October or

1457
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: early October, laid October, what would be the thing that

1458
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 1: would finally make you say, Okay, even though there's no picks,

1459
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 1: I gotta try because this thing is here, this date

1460
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 1: or this weather or this whatever. What would that take? Yeah,

1461
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:37,759
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to say, Like, like early season

1462
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 1: cold fronts can be can be insane, and um, they

1463
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 1: can really you know, flip the switch for deer and

1464
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,600
Speaker 1: some you know things can happen to where, uh, you

1465
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 1: may not be seen a deer for a long time

1466
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 1: and not getting picks and then all of a sudden, boom,

1467
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: he's there. But also on the flip side, like when

1468
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 1: you're just explaining that scenario to me, like in my head,

1469
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like I talked to a lot of people,

1470
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: We're like, yeah, I got this buck and he's just nocturnal.

1471
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: He's just nocturnal. He's coming, he's coming to the camera,

1472
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: but he's just he's not moving in daylight. And a

1473
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: lot of times I have to say, well, you know,

1474
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: you got to think about the the situation and is

1475
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 1: he really nocturnal or is he just not living on

1476
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 1: your farm? Is he just living on the neighbors and

1477
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 1: he's coming in the middle of night? Um, And that's

1478
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: the case more often than not in my opinion. Um,

1479
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: I just don't think there's that many like purely nocturnal

1480
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: bucks out there unless they're an extremely high pressured you know,

1481
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 1: public land situations are hyper even the high pressured you know,

1482
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: private land where a lot of people are hunting different

1483
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: different properties, and he's he's kind of getting pressured from

1484
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: all angles. Like there, there's got to be a pretty

1485
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 1: good reason that that a deer's completely nocturnal. Most most dear,

1486
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 1: I don't care how old they are. I mean, if

1487
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: they're not messed with and and and pressured, they're gonna

1488
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: get up and feed in the daylight, um, whether it

1489
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 1: be the last you know, twenty minutes or the last

1490
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: hour and a half a day light. So I always

1491
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 1: like to always, you know, like to ask that question,

1492
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: like do you think you know where he's living? Do

1493
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 1: you think he's actually living close, betting close, but just

1494
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 1: not showing up in daylight? Or do you think he's

1495
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 1: just venturing from a long ways away? And so, um,

1496
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, IM trying to think. We I've had bucks

1497
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 1: that from running cameras year after year that literally we'll

1498
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: shed their velvet and they'll they'll hold on, they'll hang

1499
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,639
Speaker 1: around for a little bit. But I had these these

1500
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 1: two bucks that hung together, and one of them was

1501
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 1: a really really big deer and every single year, I

1502
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 1: think I had him up to like seven years old,

1503
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 1: and every single year actually no, he was no, he

1504
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 1: was like nine. He was like nine years old, and

1505
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: every single year he would leave and I'm not kidding

1506
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 1: you would be like September, September. I think one year

1507
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: was September, like I had one picture in the morning

1508
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 1: of the fift and but never again. And then one

1509
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: year when he was I think he was nine years old.

1510
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: Nine years old. Um, just an absolute monarch of a buck,

1511
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: like it was definitely out of his prime, and his

1512
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: prime he was probably one, you know, eighties, and he

1513
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: was like probably down down to one sixties, but just

1514
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 1: a just a beast. And I'll never forget. I checked

1515
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 1: this trail camera and I was like, oh my god,

1516
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 1: he was on here in daylight, this morning walking through

1517
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: this like this like natural funnel, early season funnel spot,

1518
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 1: and I was like, I gotta get in there and

1519
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 1: hunt tonight. It was like September eighth or nineteenth. It

1520
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: was the latest he had been at stayed on the property.

1521
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: And I shoot you not, man. We got in the

1522
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 1: three and here comes this buck and I'm like, oh

1523
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 1: my god, like we're gonna kill him. He's walking right

1524
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 1: down this trail um and he's just literally coming right

1525
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 1: to us, like this is perfect. He's got like two

1526
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: other bucks with him the sky. There's filming me. And

1527
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 1: he gets to like thirty yards thirty five yards, and

1528
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 1: he's quarter to me, but he's walking down the trail.

1529
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: So I'm getting ready to draw because he's gonna be

1530
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,759
Speaker 1: broadside at thirty and so like I just put tension

1531
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 1: on the string and I'm just getting ready to draw,

1532
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 1: and up from behind him comes this this younger buck

1533
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: and just rams him right in the ast started poking

1534
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 1: them with his head, and in the buck runs off

1535
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 1: like bounds off to like seventy yards, stops and like

1536
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 1: looks back, looks around, and then just kind of wandered

1537
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 1: like walks off out towards the destination field, but not

1538
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 1: to where I have would have he shot and never

1539
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 1: saw him again, never got to the picture of him again. UM.

1540
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: Actually a guy no ended up finding him dead on

1541
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 1: the property that he would leave mine to go to. Um.

1542
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 1: He found him dead the following that following year. And

1543
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: so it was that was like probably one of the

1544
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: most like heartbroken moments of my of my like hunting

1545
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 1: career ever. I feel like like just a chance of

1546
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 1: a monarch like that, and then like dead to rights,

1547
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,759
Speaker 1: like I was just calm, like just like, Okay, here

1548
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 1: we go, this is gonna happen. Let's do this, and

1549
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 1: just to have something completely out of your control blow

1550
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: it just like so frustrating. So what about this? What

1551
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:57,719
Speaker 1: about a situation with a similar outcome but different cause,

1552
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,600
Speaker 1: which is let's say that bucks coming in and the

1553
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: little buck behind him doesn't ram him, he walks right

1554
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 1: into thirty yards. You draw back, you put the pin

1555
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: on him, and you let go, but you miss him.

1556
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: You miss him. Dead to rights, he takes off. You've

1557
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 1: been watching this buck for years and years and years,

1558
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 1: and your opportunities blowingly. How do you handle that? How

1559
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 1: do you mentally handle that? Are you the type that

1560
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: just all right, right back at him, back in the

1561
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 1: tree tomorrow, getting after it. Or do you take some

1562
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 1: time and just need to take a couple of days

1563
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: and get your head right and do some shooting and

1564
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,640
Speaker 1: make sure you're confident again, Like what's that look like

1565
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 1: for you mentally and physically? I guess yeah. I mean,

1566
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 1: I'm about as optimistic ause of a person as you'll

1567
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 1: as you'll find for the most part. And so like

1568
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm always just like all right, like you just

1569
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 1: gotta get back after it and give it a shot.

1570
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 1: But it can be extremely mentally taxing. And I mean,

1571
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 1: let's be real, bow hunting can be a complete mental

1572
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 1: mental game. It is a mental game and as much

1573
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 1: as it is anything, honestly, And that's something that I

1574
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, I think just my my personality and demeanor

1575
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: number one. But then also through experience, UM have been

1576
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 1: able to really like really handle those emotions and that

1577
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 1: and that excitement, that energy UM really well. And I'm

1578
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 1: just lucky that I'm able to do that. I Mean,

1579
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 1: I kind of get really hyper focused in that moment.

1580
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: I don't get um nervous, I don't get like to

1581
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 1: where I've I feel like I need to rush to

1582
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 1: make make stuff happen. Like I just I feel really

1583
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 1: calm and really focused in those moments, whereas a lot

1584
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: of people I know are the opposite, where they'll get

1585
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: flustered and they make decision decisions they shouldn't make. They'll

1586
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, they won't pick a spot and they'll pull

1587
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 1: the pull the trigger and and just get caught up

1588
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: in the moment. And let's be real, I mean, that's

1589
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 1: that that excitement and energy is why we all is

1590
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 1: why we're also hooked on it and so um. But

1591
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 1: but for me, I'm able to really harness that until

1592
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: I pull the trigger. And then the second I pull

1593
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 1: the triggers, when I and when I get the big

1594
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: rush of emotion. But um, there really isn't you know,

1595
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just take confidences everything I think really

1596
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: just being confident, and that that starts with practice. Um,

1597
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 1: that starts with you know, shooting them, shooting a lot

1598
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: to where you know your arrow is I'm gonna fly

1599
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 1: where you want it to go. And it starts with equipment, Uh,

1600
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: you know, having the equipment set up properly, understanding the equipment,

1601
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 1: especially in the world now where I mean, these bows

1602
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 1: are very complex. The equipment we use as complex, and

1603
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:29,839
Speaker 1: so understanding it, having it set up properly, tuned properly,

1604
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 1: and there's building that that confidence, um, I think is

1605
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 1: where it really really pays off dividends. So so fast

1606
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 1: forwarding a little bit then, UM, I know you do

1607
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: a lot of hunts where you're you're traveling across the

1608
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 1: country hitting this spot, hitting that spot. So you show

1609
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 1: up somewhere and you've got a week or something and

1610
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 1: you've got to figure it out quick. Let's say this

1611
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:54,719
Speaker 1: is like a buddy's farm that they've allowed you access

1612
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 1: to the farm, but you don't have a history there, um,

1613
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: and and they're not going to help you out much

1614
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 1: because they've got their own thing going on. I don't know.

1615
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 1: Maybe this is like a situation when you go hunt

1616
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 1: with the Lindsay's or something where you show up and

1617
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 1: you have access, but you're on your own. And let's

1618
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 1: say it's late October maybe October, and you've got five

1619
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: six days to hunt. You arrive on day one. What

1620
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm curious is how do trail cameras factor into what

1621
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 1: you're gonna be doing, Like, do you have an immediate

1622
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 1: like day one, midday I'm gonna go hang six cameras

1623
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: in these types of places right away. Is something like

1624
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: that on your agenda or or if not, what do

1625
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 1: you do, like what does your trail camera situation look

1626
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: like specifically in that scenario, if if you do at all? Yeah, no,

1627
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: that's a that's a pretty regular scenario for for me.

1628
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 1: Um And I've done it both ways to where you know,

1629
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 1: like when I've hund it with the Lindsays in the past,

1630
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 1: Like you know, I usually will hunt like one of

1631
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 1: one of Jeff's farms that they don't spend a lot

1632
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 1: of time on, but they have cameras on and so

1633
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 1: like my number one thing is like, all right, let

1634
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 1: me go check the cameras because I can pull those

1635
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 1: cards and I can learn so much about what's going on,

1636
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: what's happened in the past week. That's really all the

1637
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 1: matters in my you know, that time of year, like

1638
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 1: what's going on this past week? What do you aer hitting?

1639
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 1: What areas? What you know? Um, what what we're deer

1640
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 1: focused and so like in that situation, that's an ideal

1641
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 1: situation for me is there's cameras out I can I

1642
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: can grab those cards right now and learn everything that's

1643
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 1: been going on in the past week, and I can

1644
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 1: make my you know, decisions based on that. Um. The

1645
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 1: On the on the other hand, like if it's a

1646
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 1: situation where it's a new it's a property, um there

1647
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 1: are not cameras out yet they October that time of year,

1648
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 1: I still am gonna do everything I can to get

1649
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 1: cameras out as fast as I can because as as

1650
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: soon as you get them out, the quicker you can

1651
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 1: start gathering information and learning. And that time of year

1652
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 1: is like literally the my favorite time of year to

1653
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 1: run trail cameras because of the deer are just smashing

1654
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 1: the scrapes and so scrapes are where all of our

1655
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: cameras are for the most part, I'd say him are

1656
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 1: on scrapes that time of year, and you just learned

1657
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,679
Speaker 1: so much about um you know what bucks are hitting,

1658
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: what scrapes and what areas and even when like you

1659
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 1: get later into the month November, you start to see

1660
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 1: when bucks come out of lockdown, Like bucks might disappear

1661
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: for three days and then boom, they're hitting a scrape

1662
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 1: and you know that deer is is not with a

1663
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,679
Speaker 1: dough and you have you know, a window opportunity to

1664
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 1: chase that that buck before he does find another day

1665
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 1: and get locked down and so um, you know, I

1666
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 1: I definitely would get trail cameras out as quick as possible,

1667
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 1: but also without being too intrusive, right because you can

1668
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 1: obviously cause more damage than good. Um. Fortunately, you know

1669
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 1: a lot of those those scrapes that bucks are hitting

1670
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 1: and stuff are on the edge of fields, and um,

1671
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 1: you know some of the more you know, the bigger

1672
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, social scrapes maybe in the timber in different areas,

1673
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:56,639
Speaker 1: but um, but you can you can definitely get get

1674
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:59,560
Speaker 1: away within some cameras out without being too intrusive and

1675
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 1: learning a lot and in a in a short amount

1676
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 1: of time. What's your ideal way to do that? Like

1677
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 1: is that is the first midday that you get to

1678
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna go out there at lunch and drive a

1679
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:10,759
Speaker 1: truck around and hit every like find your six best

1680
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 1: or four best or however many field that scrapes will

1681
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: look good and put something up or are you putting

1682
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: up cameras when you walk out to hunt for the

1683
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:22,920
Speaker 1: first time or what's that specifically? With maybe a little

1684
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:26,440
Speaker 1: bit of both. Um, it just depends on the property obviously. Uh,

1685
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 1: there's a really unique property that I I've hunted the

1686
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 1: past two seasons in Colorado that is on the eastern

1687
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 1: plains of Colorado. It's a white tailed property, so it's

1688
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:38,879
Speaker 1: more like Western Kansas type habitat, but um river bottoms

1689
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 1: and just too great, really great like rut type of

1690
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 1: type of farm. And um, it actually has a uh

1691
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 1: they have water wells all over this this this ranch,

1692
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 1: and there's people that are checking the wells pretty regularly,

1693
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 1: so that deer are actually like conditioned to a little

1694
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 1: bit of vehicle trap and so um. There's also a

1695
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 1: levee that runs along all the length of the river

1696
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 1: for the most part. And so with that property, what

1697
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 1: I did the very first time I hunted it, I

1698
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: literally just went along that levee, which is the Levey.

1699
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 1: There's a road on the levee and those guys will, uh,

1700
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,679
Speaker 1: those guys drive that road maybe once once or twice

1701
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 1: a day. Um, maybe not the inner Levey every time,

1702
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 1: but there's an outer Levey too. But but anyway, like

1703
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 1: the deer a little bit, you know, so they're they're

1704
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 1: a little bit conditioned to vehicle traffic, so they're not

1705
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 1: gonna like blow out of their bed or like freak

1706
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 1: out if they see a truck. And so I went

1707
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: along that levee and I found all these trails that

1708
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 1: were uh, the deer were crossing the levee, and I

1709
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 1: put cameras on like six different trails, and so I

1710
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 1: knew that was and and in Colorado you can't sell

1711
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 1: you sell other cameras, and so, um, I knew that'd

1712
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:48,680
Speaker 1: be an easy way for me too. I can just

1713
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 1: jump on the truck, drive that levey, pull cards and

1714
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 1: check the cameras, you know, every couple of days or

1715
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 1: however often. But then you know, you might have a

1716
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 1: situation with a farm where um, you know, it's not

1717
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 1: as accessible with vehicle without causing too much disturbance. And

1718
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 1: so in those situations, we definitely have uh spots where

1719
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 1: we put trail cameras near stands that we don't check

1720
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:12,719
Speaker 1: those trail cameras unless we're going to that stand up hunt.

1721
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:15,040
Speaker 1: And those have been like the first ones that we've

1722
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,600
Speaker 1: replaced with cell cameras as we've kind of gathered more

1723
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 1: and more cell cameras over the years because those are

1724
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 1: just super intrusive, you know, we would we would only

1725
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 1: check the when we hunted the stand, and so basically

1726
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 1: you wouldn't learn what was going on until after you,

1727
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, set the stand, and so um so a

1728
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:33,719
Speaker 1: little bit of both. It just you've got to figure

1729
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 1: out what you can get away with without causing too much,

1730
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 1: too much disturbance, and and roll with that. Yeah. So

1731
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:47,560
Speaker 1: let's move into November. And I've got two November situations

1732
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 1: that a lot of people I think dread like. We

1733
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 1: all look forward to the rut, probably most of us

1734
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 1: at least more than anything else in the white tail season.

1735
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 1: But there's two things that might happen. They could throw

1736
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 1: a wrench in your plans. Um. I'm curious if either

1737
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:03,000
Speaker 1: one of those, if either one of these would bumm

1738
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 1: you out, or maybe you don't care and you'll just

1739
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: keep on doing what you're usually doing. But here's one.

1740
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 1: Let's imagine it's the first week in November and you

1741
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 1: get to your property and it is crop field. Let's

1742
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 1: say let's say this is like a se of this

1743
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:21,720
Speaker 1: property of access to his his egg. The rest is

1744
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 1: some draws and some timber and some stuff like that.

1745
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:27,760
Speaker 1: But you arrive for your big rut hunt and it

1746
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 1: is all standing corn. You've got several hundred acres of

1747
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 1: standing corn everywhere. Does this change what you would normally

1748
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,760
Speaker 1: do for that first week of November? Or are you

1749
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:41,559
Speaker 1: gonna just do the same old, same what you're gonna

1750
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:44,679
Speaker 1: hunt your funnels or your dough betting airs or whatever? Um?

1751
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 1: Or does that standing corn and make you say, Okay,

1752
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 1: I have to have to switch things up a little

1753
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 1: bit because a lot of people will find that scenario

1754
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 1: and say, ah, we didn't see any bucks because they're

1755
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: on the standing corner. This is gonna be horrible week.

1756
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 1: There's all the standing corner, all the chasing is going

1757
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 1: to happen in there. Um, how would that impact what

1758
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 1: you think and do during that period? Yeah, that's a

1759
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 1: tough that's a tough question. I I I've definitely had

1760
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: that scenario happened before, and I you hear it all

1761
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,639
Speaker 1: the time and people like, they're in the corn, They're

1762
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 1: just in the corn. And I think that's an easy

1763
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 1: excuse for a lot of people. Um, you know, they

1764
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:21,559
Speaker 1: I've definitely seen deer, you know, utilize the corn to

1765
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 1: an extent, but like it's not like it's not like

1766
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 1: their preferred place to bed or there for preferred place

1767
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:30,840
Speaker 1: to run around and chase a dough through a bunch

1768
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 1: of stocks, slapping them in the face. Like I'm not

1769
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:36,479
Speaker 1: buying into that at least. Um, you know, I I've

1770
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 1: experienced it, but I don't think it's like a I

1771
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 1: don't think it's like a go to thing for a

1772
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 1: white til deer. So um, I do think for sure though,

1773
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 1: I mean they deer can you know, still bedd in

1774
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: the timber nearby and still hang out of the the timber

1775
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: nearby and then just pop out of the corn and

1776
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 1: can eat you know, feet on the standing corn stalks. Um.

1777
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 1: Which even then though like that time you're they're not

1778
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 1: that concerned about it either. So um, you know, I

1779
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I don't know if I can

1780
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: buy into that idea entirely. Uh Um. But I definitely

1781
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:10,680
Speaker 1: have experienced and it definitely is a situation where I

1782
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 1: feel like it definitely subdues some of the activity that

1783
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 1: you do see. So um, you know, still gonna hunt

1784
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 1: the rut, you know, the typically good rut spots and

1785
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 1: then just learn, you know from your observation. That's the

1786
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 1: biggest thing is literally you know, every every day you're

1787
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 1: in the stand, you're learning and you're observing movement here,

1788
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:32,720
Speaker 1: you're figuring out, you know, more patterns of the deer,

1789
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:36,160
Speaker 1: more what they're wanting to do. Um or you're observing

1790
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 1: that through trial cameras either way, UM, but basically just

1791
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,160
Speaker 1: ingesting all that information that you can, you can the

1792
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 1: most information you can will help you kind of make

1793
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 1: a decision and try to figure out what's best. So

1794
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 1: what's your you mentioned you would stick to your usual

1795
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 1: good rut stands, like high level? What would that be?

1796
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: What would you describe as like your ideal first we

1797
01:37:56,360 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 1: can no I member type of set up he so

1798
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 1: like it's I don't know. I think like the first

1799
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:08,759
Speaker 1: week in November, I prefer I like to hunt near

1800
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 1: uh near green plots, a lot um areas where like

1801
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:15,880
Speaker 1: a big majority of the does are gonna be feeding

1802
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 1: because those bucks know that and they are gonna come

1803
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 1: there looking for that. You know, first few doughs to

1804
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:23,639
Speaker 1: come into heat. And then once I feel like once

1805
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:27,600
Speaker 1: you get into like that second and third week in November, um,

1806
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 1: the second wee can November really you know, you start

1807
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:33,639
Speaker 1: to dive into the timber a little more. I love,

1808
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, a good hardwood's rut spot you know that,

1809
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 1: or you might get just crazy chasing and running activity.

1810
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,680
Speaker 1: That's just kind of the pinnacle of the excitement of

1811
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:46,360
Speaker 1: the rut and so um. You know, obviously we look

1812
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 1: for pinch points, we look for funnels, we look for

1813
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 1: topography changes, whether it be like a saddle in a

1814
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 1: big ridge or Um. I'm just thinking back to a

1815
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:57,599
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I had a really really cool

1816
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 1: hunt on November seven, back in the timber in the morning.

1817
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:02,560
Speaker 1: It's basically on the end of a ridge. So this

1818
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 1: big long ridge just runs and then it drops off

1819
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 1: and a couple of other ridges kind of drop off

1820
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:10,760
Speaker 1: down into this creek, and so it's really a I

1821
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 1: kinda I did. I did a hanging hunt initially the

1822
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:19,640
Speaker 1: evening before, knowing it wasn't ideal conditions actually was. It

1823
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 1: was warm and it was really windy. Um, but I

1824
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 1: knew that would be a good time to slip in

1825
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,839
Speaker 1: and hanging stand. And so I said and hung the stand,

1826
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:29,880
Speaker 1: left all my stuff in the tree. We didn't have

1827
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: a great, great hunt that evening, but I really was

1828
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:34,760
Speaker 1: hanging it for the next morning. Um. We left all

1829
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 1: our stuff in the tree. The cold front blew through

1830
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: that evening. Um, and really really drop the temperature. We

1831
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,679
Speaker 1: got in the next morning and actually ended up killing

1832
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 1: his buck that that we hung the stand for. And

1833
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:48,960
Speaker 1: it was more of like a there wasn't necessarily like

1834
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 1: a pinch or anything obvious, but it was more like

1835
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 1: on the end of this ridge and kind of an

1836
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:56,599
Speaker 1: observation point to where you could see a long ways

1837
01:39:57,439 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 1: um and you could be able to call to deer

1838
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: to try to get a become come within bow range.

1839
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 1: But naturally it also just happened to be a pretty

1840
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 1: good spot where that ridge ran out and deer were

1841
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 1: kind of crossing through there because we had a great

1842
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 1: hunt that morning, saw a bunch of deer and ended up,

1843
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, shooting that buck actually kind of later in

1844
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 1: the morning. Nice. Nice. What about this situation that I'm

1845
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 1: curious if this would change what you're describing. What if

1846
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 1: instead of the problem being standing corn, what if instead

1847
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:25,879
Speaker 1: the problem was your entire week that you have budgeted

1848
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 1: for this trip is seventy degrees or eighty degrees, like

1849
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:33,720
Speaker 1: just the worst rut weather you could dream up is

1850
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:36,679
Speaker 1: what you've got, and you're stuck with it. What would

1851
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 1: you do then? Does that change anything? Or are you

1852
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 1: still going to do the same thing and just hope

1853
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:42,320
Speaker 1: that we can get some success in the mornings of

1854
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:45,720
Speaker 1: the evenings or whatever. Yeah, I mean, it gets a

1855
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:47,600
Speaker 1: point where it's like you just gotta go, right, you

1856
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 1: just gotta you just gotta try it. And especially if

1857
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: your time is limited and you have vacation set aside

1858
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 1: or whatever that might be. I mean the ruts of

1859
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 1: the ruts, so you know, they are gonna be there.

1860
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 1: They're they're not gonna quit rutting. Um, the daylight activity

1861
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 1: definitely will be subdued by the warmer temperatures. But um,

1862
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, in those situations it may be even more

1863
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 1: crucial to kind of push the envelope a little bit,

1864
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 1: get closer to those betting areas, get more um, deeper

1865
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 1: into the timber because that movement maybe you know, very

1866
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:21,680
Speaker 1: very first and very very last light and I don't know,

1867
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean that time of year obviously, when when even

1868
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:26,600
Speaker 1: if it is unseasonably warm, I think your morning is

1869
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 1: gonna be much more effective. Obviously, they're gonna be cooler

1870
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 1: in the morning. Um, they're gonna have been running around,

1871
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 1: you know, through throughout the night, and so the mornings

1872
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 1: are typically a little bit more effective when you do

1873
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:40,160
Speaker 1: have those warmer weather BRD hunts. I'm trying to think.

1874
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:42,599
Speaker 1: I know I've over the years, I know I've I've

1875
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:45,640
Speaker 1: had some success for sure on warmer, warmer days, but

1876
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 1: there's not one that really sticks out, uh in particular

1877
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:52,679
Speaker 1: to me, but just that it just once the clock

1878
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 1: strikes November, it's like, all right, like you can get

1879
01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 1: away with a little more. It's time to get a

1880
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 1: little more aggressive, you can. You know that there there's

1881
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 1: definitely a there's there's definitely situations where you could be

1882
01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:08,760
Speaker 1: too conservative, in my opinion, and sometimes it's just like

1883
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:11,120
Speaker 1: all right, like throw it out the window and go

1884
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:15,559
Speaker 1: and just try because um, at that point you rely

1885
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 1: on so much on the deer anyways. That's why I like,

1886
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:20,800
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, targeting a specific mature buck like

1887
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:25,519
Speaker 1: during November is is very very difficult. Um, early season

1888
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 1: is going to be that time. But then you know,

1889
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 1: there the time where your odds are best to kill

1890
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 1: any mature buck, it's probably gonna be November, just because

1891
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 1: their cruising, they're moving there, their guards down. Um, you

1892
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:40,439
Speaker 1: may not know which one it's gonna be, maybe one

1893
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 1: of the three that you know about, or maybe when

1894
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 1: you don't even know about. So it's just a different time,

1895
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 1: a year, completely different different style of hunting. Yeah. So

1896
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:51,680
Speaker 1: along those lines, let's go back to that three that

1897
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,599
Speaker 1: three year hunt for a specific target Buck again. Let's

1898
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 1: say you end up, you know, seeing this book. Now

1899
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:01,400
Speaker 1: it's we're into November. You've been having encounters with him,

1900
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 1: but you haven't been able to close the deal. And

1901
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:05,680
Speaker 1: he's still like he's the one. Yeah, there might be

1902
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 1: other deer coming through, but but you're dead said on

1903
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 1: this deer. You've just you've invested so much time and

1904
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 1: energy you can't imagine not shooting this deer. But we

1905
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:20,400
Speaker 1: get to the situation you alluded to earlier, which is

1906
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:23,800
Speaker 1: opening day of firearm season. It's it's staring right in

1907
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,840
Speaker 1: the face. Yeah, and you've got you are here on

1908
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:30,200
Speaker 1: the day before the opener. You got the last day

1909
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 1: before the opener, and you're panicked. Maybe you're not panting.

1910
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:35,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's me. I'm panicked because my

1911
01:43:35,120 --> 01:43:37,479
Speaker 1: last day before there's a million people out there with guns,

1912
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:39,800
Speaker 1: and he's gonna get killed. Probably at least in my mind,

1913
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, dang it, if I don't kill today, he's

1914
01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:46,679
Speaker 1: getting killed tomorrow by someone. Uh, what's your mindset and

1915
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:48,679
Speaker 1: what do you do? Like, what how would you approach

1916
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 1: that last day? Do you do you throw a hall Mary?

1917
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 1: Do you do something crazy? Do you just stick to

1918
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 1: the original plan? What do you what do you do

1919
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 1: on that last day before firearm Listen? I'm I'm actually

1920
01:43:59,479 --> 01:44:01,639
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a pretty aggressive hunter, especially during

1921
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:05,880
Speaker 1: the rup. But like in this situation, I am not

1922
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:08,439
Speaker 1: throwing a hail Mary. Like I think that's the worst

1923
01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:12,720
Speaker 1: thing could do, especially if there's any chance this buck is,

1924
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:15,439
Speaker 1: you know, anywhere close to a neighboring property. Like the

1925
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:17,680
Speaker 1: last thing you want to do is bump him out

1926
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:19,599
Speaker 1: of his spot that he's comfortable with, push him onto

1927
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 1: the neighbors where there's gonna be ten guys in blaze

1928
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 1: orange blazing guns across there. So I'm definitely playing it

1929
01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:29,880
Speaker 1: safe in that situation. Um, typically in those situations when

1930
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:32,400
Speaker 1: I just bow out and head to Kansas and then

1931
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:37,960
Speaker 1: let the let the Missouri property just be a refuge

1932
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 1: for the beer during the gun season, that's kind of

1933
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 1: our go to deal. But uh, but yeah, definitely I

1934
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:45,719
Speaker 1: would not be aggressive in those situations because that happens

1935
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:48,479
Speaker 1: a lot you know, you just people just they just

1936
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:50,760
Speaker 1: feel that pressure like, oh no, like I got my

1937
01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta get I gotta get this buck,

1938
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:55,439
Speaker 1: I gotta get my opportunity. And then boom, you know

1939
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:57,720
Speaker 1: that buck has been so comfortable in his area and

1940
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:00,960
Speaker 1: you bump him out and uh, he may you know,

1941
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:04,320
Speaker 1: venture off to somewhere else where he's not where he's

1942
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:06,840
Speaker 1: not as protected. But you know, the opposite could be

1943
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 1: true as well, like maybe it's a buck that's really

1944
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:11,320
Speaker 1: living on the neighbors a lot, and you know, you

1945
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:12,960
Speaker 1: feel like you really need to get aggressive to make

1946
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 1: that happen. In that situation, I could, I could see

1947
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 1: that happening. But um but yeah, if you if you

1948
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:20,800
Speaker 1: got a pretty good idea of where the deer is

1949
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:23,240
Speaker 1: living and then he's living on you, then yeah, I

1950
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta stick to the original plane, all right.

1951
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:31,040
Speaker 1: It takes some takes some self control, Mike, I'm impressed. Well, yeah,

1952
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not much of a panicker, but yeah, Sean,

1953
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 1: Sean would be pretty panicked. He's he's uh, he gets

1954
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:39,760
Speaker 1: the anxiety when the Orange Army comes out, for sure. Yeah,

1955
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:41,960
Speaker 1: I can take a few years after life that's for sure.

1956
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:45,640
Speaker 1: I know, it's just one of those deals, man Like

1957
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:47,080
Speaker 1: it is what it is. It's at the end of

1958
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:49,680
Speaker 1: the day, like there's only so much that that we

1959
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:53,680
Speaker 1: can do, so much that's in our control. And you know,

1960
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:56,960
Speaker 1: we we've been doing doing this a long time. I've

1961
01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:00,639
Speaker 1: been bow hunting white tails for I mean over over

1962
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:04,839
Speaker 1: twenty years now. And you know, we've been seriously managing

1963
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:10,600
Speaker 1: for deer for i'd say, you know ten and so, um,

1964
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:13,640
Speaker 1: that's a really rewarding process. We've been trying to in

1965
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 1: Missouri get deer to to to the ripe age of

1966
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:18,200
Speaker 1: five years old. And it's just very difficult to do.

1967
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:21,879
Speaker 1: And um, but when when all works out, it's it's amazing.

1968
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 1: But to to your point about the you know, the

1969
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:28,840
Speaker 1: rifle situation, I actually passed up as was two falls ago.

1970
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:33,200
Speaker 1: I uh, we had this just beautiful, beautiful four year old.

1971
01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 1: He was a three year old, probably mid sixties, three

1972
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:40,320
Speaker 1: year old, a bunch of trash. This monster frame didn't

1973
01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:42,439
Speaker 1: have a big growth here three to four. He was

1974
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:45,840
Speaker 1: probably one seventies, lower seventies, so he probably grew like

1975
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:49,920
Speaker 1: five six inches seven inches whatever. Um, And it was

1976
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:52,080
Speaker 1: like a but a hundred seventy inch four YEARL I

1977
01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:53,760
Speaker 1: mean hundred seventies a year. I haven't killed that many,

1978
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:56,000
Speaker 1: hundred seventies a year. That being said, I don't get

1979
01:46:56,040 --> 01:46:57,679
Speaker 1: too caught up on that, Like I'm not like, oh,

1980
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:00,240
Speaker 1: I gotta you know, past this year, so you have

1981
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:02,720
Speaker 1: b you know, twoes. But I just would just like

1982
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 1: to see him, see what they can do, and that

1983
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:07,639
Speaker 1: this deer had that potential. And so I can't remember

1984
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 1: what it was November, early November. Um, I had him

1985
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 1: come in chasing a dough, just grunting, running all over

1986
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:16,320
Speaker 1: the feet plot right in front of me, just incredible,

1987
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 1: comes right into the tree, makes a scrape at like

1988
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:22,840
Speaker 1: five yards and just an unbelievable hunt, and uh let

1989
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 1: him walk. And the next week got shot by the

1990
01:47:26,439 --> 01:47:29,040
Speaker 1: one of the neighbors. And I was just like, oh,

1991
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:31,120
Speaker 1: I was just like had the wind out of my sale.

1992
01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:34,880
Speaker 1: I was like, man, like I'm not, I'm not. I'm

1993
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:37,240
Speaker 1: not passing up those opportunities anymore. Like I just I'm

1994
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 1: not gonna do it. Like if it's a if it's

1995
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:41,599
Speaker 1: a big deer that gets me going that I'm excited

1996
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,280
Speaker 1: to shoot, like I'm gonna shoot him. Like enough to

1997
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:46,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna enough to you're still gonna make it to

1998
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:48,720
Speaker 1: five and six and seven years old because they're just

1999
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:51,680
Speaker 1: smart and it's inevitable. So I was like, you know,

2000
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that again. And so actually the buck

2001
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 1: I shot last year Missouri, just a beautiful hundred and

2002
01:47:57,280 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 1: sixties something hunting low sixties and he was a weyear old,

2003
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:02,240
Speaker 1: he was a dear. We knew it was for had

2004
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:05,719
Speaker 1: potential to be who knows what, but uh, I just said,

2005
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it again. And

2006
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:11,559
Speaker 1: so that's actually the the buck that I shot last year.

2007
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 1: So I can't blame you for that. Man. If it

2008
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:17,760
Speaker 1: if it gets you pumped, let her rip. That's right. Yeah,

2009
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:21,759
Speaker 1: that's for sure. And yeah, I'm all for that that stuff.

2010
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:23,719
Speaker 1: You know, we get a lot of people that are like, oh, yeah,

2011
01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 1: you guys, your name and dear, and you're you're getting

2012
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 1: caught up on the age and this and that, and

2013
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:30,599
Speaker 1: you know, we're in a different position than a lot

2014
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:32,720
Speaker 1: of other people. Uh and and that's kind of what

2015
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:34,479
Speaker 1: we like to do. And we you know, we get

2016
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:36,080
Speaker 1: to we get to spend a lot of time out

2017
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 1: there managing our properties and doing stuff and so that's

2018
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,720
Speaker 1: that's what makes it exciting for us, and so that's

2019
01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:43,800
Speaker 1: why we do what we do. But then you know,

2020
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:46,120
Speaker 1: we go on different hunts where we're hunting piece of

2021
01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 1: property we've never stepped foot on, and we run some

2022
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 1: cameras and our expectations are a little bit different. Or

2023
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:53,760
Speaker 1: you know, Sean last year drew a he drew his

2024
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:55,920
Speaker 1: Iowa tag and went hunted a hunt in public land

2025
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:59,160
Speaker 1: in Iowa, and um, obviously expectations were different. He wasn't

2026
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:01,760
Speaker 1: gonna hold out for five year old, you know, a

2027
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 1: hundred or whatever. He was going to shoot the first

2028
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:07,240
Speaker 1: thing that you know, made him happy that he thought

2029
01:49:07,240 --> 01:49:09,160
Speaker 1: was a good representation of the area and the and

2030
01:49:09,200 --> 01:49:11,679
Speaker 1: the property he was hunting. So you know, it really

2031
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:15,679
Speaker 1: is circumstantial in my opinion for sure. So I want

2032
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:18,120
Speaker 1: to I want to run you through now some quick

2033
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 1: rapid fire questions. So these will be like a very

2034
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:26,879
Speaker 1: simple like yes or no answer or this or that answer, um,

2035
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:28,439
Speaker 1: and we'll just run to this really quick one up

2036
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:32,559
Speaker 1: to the other. Okay, okay, all right, does the moon

2037
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:38,240
Speaker 1: matter to dear movement? Yes or no? Yes? Would you

2038
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:40,400
Speaker 1: take a fifty yards shot at a white tail with

2039
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:44,719
Speaker 1: your bow. Yes or no? Yes? If you could only

2040
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:47,320
Speaker 1: have one of these for the rest of your life,

2041
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:50,400
Speaker 1: would you rather have a set of rattling antlers within

2042
01:49:50,439 --> 01:49:58,280
Speaker 1: the tree or a grunt tube? Oh, grunt tube expandable

2043
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:03,559
Speaker 1: or fixed blade broadheads expandable. Should you stop a buck

2044
01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:06,519
Speaker 1: with some kind of sound before shooting? Yes or no?

2045
01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 1: If he's yes, if he's not already stopped. I want

2046
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:16,960
Speaker 1: to expand on every single one I'm gonna give you.

2047
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:18,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the pass on that, this one,

2048
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:20,960
Speaker 1: This next one's gonna get you in trouble. Which state

2049
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:27,599
Speaker 1: has better deer hunters? Kansas or Missouri? Oh, I gotta

2050
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:31,320
Speaker 1: gotta say Missouri. Okay. And here's one last one. This

2051
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 1: one you can expand as much as you want them.

2052
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:37,520
Speaker 1: Imagine that I am all powerful, I am in control

2053
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:41,720
Speaker 1: of hunting across the country, and I'm going to tell

2054
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:45,720
Speaker 1: you that I'm going to take away your hunting privileges

2055
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 1: for the next ten years. You cannot hunt again for

2056
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:52,880
Speaker 1: the next ten years at all, unless unless you kill

2057
01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:56,439
Speaker 1: a five year old buck this year. The problem is,

2058
01:50:56,880 --> 01:51:00,679
Speaker 1: you only have one day in one spece ofific location

2059
01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:02,960
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna allow you to hunt on and you

2060
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:04,360
Speaker 1: have to kill a five year old buck to keep

2061
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:05,920
Speaker 1: your hunting right so the next ten years. So it's

2062
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:08,080
Speaker 1: the very high stakes hunt. So tell me this, Mike,

2063
01:51:08,479 --> 01:51:12,200
Speaker 1: what specific date would you pick for this hunt? And

2064
01:51:12,200 --> 01:51:15,000
Speaker 1: and paint me the picture of the very specific location

2065
01:51:15,080 --> 01:51:22,280
Speaker 1: you would choose for this important hunt. Oh boy, that

2066
01:51:22,479 --> 01:51:28,400
Speaker 1: is a lot of pressure. Um, just based on stats

2067
01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:34,040
Speaker 1: and history, I'm gonna have to go with November seven. Um.

2068
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:37,240
Speaker 1: That has been that has been the most productive day

2069
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:41,479
Speaker 1: of November for me throughout the years. I feel like

2070
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:47,160
Speaker 1: and oh man, as far as you are we talking

2071
01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:49,519
Speaker 1: Missouri here, I guess you can pick anywhere you want

2072
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 1: to go, oh man, anywhere, anywhere anywhere. You know what

2073
01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:58,360
Speaker 1: if I if I had to choose anywhere, it's gonna

2074
01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:05,040
Speaker 1: be Kansas, um for sure. And I'm not there usually

2075
01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 1: on November seven. But as far as just like odds

2076
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:14,559
Speaker 1: of killing a mature deer and on in November, like

2077
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:17,559
Speaker 1: that is um. The area that I hunt out there

2078
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:22,840
Speaker 1: is creek bottoms and draws and very a lot of

2079
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:26,839
Speaker 1: open you know, pasture ground and and tillable agg fields

2080
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:31,040
Speaker 1: and so just sets up perfectly for right hunting. Just

2081
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 1: everything is a pitch point essentially, um the deer are

2082
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:38,000
Speaker 1: literally just cruising up and down checking these pinch points.

2083
01:52:38,439 --> 01:52:41,200
Speaker 1: Kansas is also a bait states. So most properties that

2084
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:45,280
Speaker 1: we're hunting Kansas UM or at least running either cornpile

2085
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:49,519
Speaker 1: or feeder um, which not necessarily that time of you're

2086
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:52,240
Speaker 1: hunting over it much at all. Really, it's just keeping

2087
01:52:52,240 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 1: an eye on what deer in the area, so you've

2088
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:56,960
Speaker 1: got a good idea of what you know where to

2089
01:52:57,040 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 1: hunt on, what farms, and what placed the key on

2090
01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:06,000
Speaker 1: so um Man. So this this specific spot that I'm

2091
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:09,519
Speaker 1: kind of thinking of is a spot that I uh

2092
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 1: I killed my Kansas deer two years ago. Um. And

2093
01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:18,720
Speaker 1: it's basically a river bottom by an old homestead that

2094
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 1: kind of runs through and it crosses this old road

2095
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:25,559
Speaker 1: and it basically it butts up to these big rolling

2096
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:29,680
Speaker 1: like almost like uh not sand hills, but like the

2097
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:32,080
Speaker 1: flint hills, like the kind of the flint hills of Kansas,

2098
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:35,880
Speaker 1: and these deer will the bucks will kind of push

2099
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:38,479
Speaker 1: dose up into these up into the flint hills, into

2100
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:41,720
Speaker 1: these like little cuts and little cedar draws. But then

2101
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 1: they always come down to the river down when they

2102
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:49,240
Speaker 1: are seeking dose. And so this is this particular stand

2103
01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:51,439
Speaker 1: that I'm thinking of just a great observation point you

2104
01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:53,840
Speaker 1: can really see to call long ways, you can even

2105
01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:57,080
Speaker 1: decoy um, but also you get the it's kind of

2106
01:53:57,080 --> 01:54:00,120
Speaker 1: a all in one. It's the rut funnel. It's a

2107
01:54:00,280 --> 01:54:03,479
Speaker 1: observation spot and it's a decoy spot. Kind of all

2108
01:54:03,800 --> 01:54:06,680
Speaker 1: all kind of intertwined into one. I like it. I

2109
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:09,760
Speaker 1: like your ads, Mike and uh and with that you

2110
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:12,440
Speaker 1: have you've made it through the what would you do gauntlets?

2111
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:16,080
Speaker 1: So well done and all right for for folks that

2112
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:17,600
Speaker 1: want to see what you guys have got going on

2113
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:19,840
Speaker 1: with Hartland bow Hunter? Where should they? Where can they

2114
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:22,240
Speaker 1: watch the show working and they see your other videos?

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Speaker 1: How can they follow on? Yeah? Pretty much? I mean everywhere. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know we uh our new season the show season

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Speaker 1: fourteen is airing right now on Outdoor Channel. New episodes

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Speaker 1: are dropping each week. Are primary is Thursday at nine

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Speaker 1: thirty UM. Obviously social media is the best way to

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Speaker 1: kind of keep up. Instagram and Facebook kind of keep

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Speaker 1: up on the up and up on what's the latest,

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Speaker 1: what what new videos are dropping? And then we have

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Speaker 1: a YouTube channel as well. We're putting out regular content there.

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Speaker 1: We produced produced a couple of different digital series there. So, um,

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Speaker 1: we're on Amazon, Amazon Prime, we're on um vhex digital download,

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Speaker 1: pretty much anywhere iTunes, um, anywhere content can be consumed,

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Speaker 1: and so uh if we're somewhere where you consume content

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Speaker 1: and we're not there, then we need to know about it. Awesome. Man. Well,

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Speaker 1: I can't recommend yourself enough. I uh, for years and

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Speaker 1: years and years have been following what you're doing, and you,

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Speaker 1: guys never cease to impress. So keep up the good

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Speaker 1: work and thanks so much for taking the time to

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Speaker 1: chat today. Yeah. Absolutely, man, it's always good catching up.

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Speaker 1: It's uh, we go go way back. I still think

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Speaker 1: back to the eye. Would I would do your classic

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Speaker 1: days in the A T A days back in the day.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, we're just a couple of kids back then.

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Speaker 1: I know. I believe you were camping in the car

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Speaker 1: in the car one one year correct, Yeah, that was that.

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Speaker 1: That can to mind this morning when I was thinking

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Speaker 1: about our chat today, was like I remember back in

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Speaker 1: the day, sitting at the bar chat with you and

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Speaker 1: then going back to sleep in the parking crotch on

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Speaker 1: that grind. Man. But people don't get come along. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they want to get they want to get started, want

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Speaker 1: to want to be involved in the industry. It's not

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Speaker 1: an easy one, but you gotta you gotta be willing

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Speaker 1: to do what it takes, and you gotta be in

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Speaker 1: it for the right reasons, every big thing. Yeah, for sure,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that we're still both here doing it. It's

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Speaker 1: been a lot of fun, so it wouldn't have it

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Speaker 1: any other way, that's for sure. Well, thanks buddy, Let's

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Speaker 1: let's do it again soon. All right, until next time,

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Speaker 1: see Mike. All right, and that's a rap. Thank you

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Speaker 1: again for tuning in. I will just remind you to

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Speaker 1: please follow John's advice from the beginning of the podcast

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01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:36,160
Speaker 1: and make sure you stay tuned on all things recovering

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Speaker 1: America's Wildlife Act. Make sure you're learning about the updates there,

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Speaker 1: join a conservation organization, or get on the newsletters you

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Speaker 1: can stay up to date. Send an email or a

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Speaker 1: note to your representatives, your senators, and stay tuned because

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Speaker 1: as this thing moves down the line, we want to

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Speaker 1: be able to jump on it and take action immediately

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Speaker 1: when it's most impactful. And I'll be sure to keep

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Speaker 1: you all updated as well. Secondly, make sure you're checking

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Speaker 1: out everything from Heartland, bow Hunter, their show on TV,

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Speaker 1: their YouTube channel, uh, social media, whatever it is. These

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Speaker 1: guys are doing great work. I know you'll enjoy it,

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Speaker 1: and I personally at least want to stay up to

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Speaker 1: speed on what Mike's got going on this season and

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Speaker 1: hopefully he'll put a couple more bucks on the ground.

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Speaker 1: So that all said, thank you all for tuning in,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it, and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.