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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's up everybody, d J,

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Speaker 1: Bucky here, Move the sticks and uh Buck, We've got

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Speaker 1: a couple intriguing quarterback battles to discuss. We've got one

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Speaker 1: that took place in college last week which we haven't

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Speaker 1: got a big we'll call to rematch here taking place

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, one that we saw at the collegiate

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Speaker 1: level that we're both looking forward to. You're really looking

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Speaker 1: forward to this college football I mean not even college football,

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Speaker 1: but this football weekend. Uh the Houston Texans taken on

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Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. We get a chance to discuss and

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Speaker 1: watch Deshaun Watson versus Lamar Jackson. I think it brings

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Speaker 1: us back to a Converse station that we had after

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Speaker 1: watching them in sixteen. We're gonna take a look at

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Speaker 1: the top receivers um in previous draft class, the last

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Speaker 1: four draft classes, there's a debate between whether you invest

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Speaker 1: gonna dig a little deeper into debt and then college

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Speaker 1: football is beginning to kind of pop back up more

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Speaker 1: for us as the draft draws near. We're beginning to

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Speaker 1: dig into these guys. So we're talking about two of

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Speaker 1: versus Joe Burrow, but also just how deep this wide

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Speaker 1: receiver classes. I don't know if it's the best position

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Speaker 1: in the draft, but I know it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun popping on the tape and watching these

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Speaker 1: all over the yard. Yeah, No, it is definitely a

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Speaker 1: great group of wide receivers. I tweeted out it's it's

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Speaker 1: the best collection. And I I know slight to the

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Speaker 1: that I've that I've seen. So we'll get into that

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Speaker 1: in just a minute, I do want to uh start

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Speaker 1: us all off here, um looking at the matchup between

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Speaker 1: Jackson because it was such a dynamic, fun, explosive game

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Speaker 1: at the collegiate level. We can't wait to see what

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Speaker 1: they do in this NFL matchup. And buck Um, before

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Speaker 1: that game. You remember that game, and we actually discussed

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Speaker 1: in time. Here's our comments after that game, the Clemson

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, if you're gonna boxing, let's go to boxing.

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Speaker 1: so when you see Joe burr Row compete like that,

427
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 1: compete like a madman in a college game, man, it

428
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 1: only kind of brings it closer to like, this is

429
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that my guys are going to follow,

430
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 1: because in the film room everyone sees how your quarterback

431
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 1: competes good plays and bad plays. That is a play

432
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: that's going to endear him to the rest of the team. Yeah,

433
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: there's also a video floating around. I'll see if we

434
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 1: can retweet it. Drills. I don't know if you've seen it. Yes,

435
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 1: Ohio State. Yet little bulldog in him that he has

436
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 1: a little fights in this to him, like we talked about,

437
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 1: I want a quarterback who doesn't necessarily always have the

438
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 1: quarterback mentality, meaning he's a guy just like the rest

439
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: of the guys. He is just like the twenty two.

440
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 1: He's just like the other twenty one guys on the team.

441
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: He's competitive, he's gonna fight, he's gonna be a football player.

442
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,479
Speaker 1: That Matt video that we're seeing from his time at

443
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: Ohio State where he and a teammate have to tire

444
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: and they're going back and forth, and Joe Burrow starts

445
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: out losing and then all of a sudden, you see

446
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: the spark where he just not only takes over, but

447
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: he drags the guy out of the mad DJ. I

448
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: don't know if you're familiar with wrestling, but in wrestling,

449
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: they have this thing called the Ayowa style of wrestling,

450
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: and Iowa style ar wrestling is always going forward, never

451
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: letting up, always relentless, always putting pressure on the opponent.

452
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: When I looked at Joe Burrow in the Madrid, I

453
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 1: was like, man, he would be a terrific our wrestling

454
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 1: because he is not afraid. He is persistent and relentless.

455
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say this, I like that in my quarterback.

456
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: I like a guy that, as you've said, I've heard

457
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: you use these terms over my dead body. That's the

458
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 1: kind of guy that players gravitate towards. That's the kind

459
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: of leader that I want as my QB one, no

460
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 1: doubt all R let's flip over the two here watching

461
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: this game. Obviously, he's not healthy. That's unfortunate. Um. The

462
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,239
Speaker 1: difference between him, let's give some things and to his

463
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: favor that that he has over Joe Burrow. Number one, Uh,

464
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: the quickness in the urgency with which he operates. And

465
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: I see it in his feet, even though he's nicked up,

466
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: really quick feet. Um, you'll see him. I love the

467
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 1: way Buck, he climbs up in the pocket. You know,

468
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: Burrow is comfortable in the pocket as well, too. Is

469
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: very urgent. He's he'll he'll see him snap his head

470
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: working through his progression. Everything's really really quick and sudden

471
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: and urgent with what he does inside the pocket. Anticipation outstanding.

472
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: You know, he throws with excellent anticipation. Now, he wasn't

473
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 1: as accurate in this football game as I've seen him

474
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: in the past. Um. A couple of balls sailed on him.

475
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 1: You could say some of that could be due to

476
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: the injury. Um. And he had one where he he

477
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: did not see an underneath buzz defender end up throwing

478
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: a pick because of that. But man, Buck, if Jerry

479
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: Judy catches a deep post that he puts on the

480
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: money in this game, I come out of this where

481
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: he's got six throws that are just big time NFL throws,

482
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: not just that everybody thinks he just throws slants and

483
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: and he's really good at that. But he pushed the

484
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: ball down the field a lot in this game and

485
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: if if it catches that slant for Jerry Judy um

486
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: or maybe talking about two a little bit differently. Coming

487
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: out of this game, he did not play poorly. Um,

488
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: but that to me is what he has. If you

489
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: say what checks off in his column, He's quicker, he's

490
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: more urgent, he throws a little bit better anticipation, uh

491
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: than Burrow, And I would say, um, the ball has

492
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: a little bit more life. I don't think either one

493
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: of these guys have huge, huge arms, but it seems

494
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: like the ball had a little more life from to it.

495
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: But I want to see these guys side by side

496
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: throwing person so I get a better feel for that,

497
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: you know. I think I think it's going to be

498
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: a terrific, bad, terrific debate as we go for it.

499
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: And I know some people will throw justin Herbert in there,

500
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: but I think these two guys are a little different

501
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: than Herbert. Um. I would have them a notch above Herbert.

502
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: If this was uh, the draft and all of these

503
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: guys came out or whatever. I think the big thing

504
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: with two, I think too is a special player. I

505
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: think he's special because of the arm talent, and everyone

506
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: wants to link arm talent with arm strength, and it's different. UM.

507
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: I kind of include the timing, the touch, the anticipation,

508
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: the rhythm and cadence in which UM to a place.

509
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: I think on a couple of occasions, you see Two

510
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: get the ball out and down the rail, meaning right

511
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: down the boundary in a hurry, and the ball jumps

512
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: off his arm and it gets to the quarterback I

513
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: mean gets to the wide receiver immediately. That eighty yard

514
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 1: touchdown passed that he he came back with with less

515
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: than two minutes. To me, that was a big time throw.

516
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 1: That was a throw that I was like, oh yeah,

517
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I want to see because in the

518
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: National Football League, those are the kind of throws that

519
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: he's going to be challenged to make entight coverage. I

520
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: think the other thing that we have seen from two

521
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: of you alluded to the quick release and the urgency

522
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: in his play. I do believe he's an a sad

523
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: player the way that he plays he gets it out

524
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: as soon as possible, and it gets there in a hurry.

525
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: I like that. I like his clutch ability. The biggest

526
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: thing that we have to answer for with two of

527
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: the durability. UM, if we're going to compare him to

528
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson never misses a game, Uh, good, bad, Uh.

529
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: No matter how many hits he takes, he's always available

530
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: with to it. He's been beaten up, and he kind

531
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: of comes in and out of games. Uh. At some point,

532
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: if we're investing um, like the number one overall pick,

533
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: you want to within reason, you want to guarantee that

534
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: the guy that we're taking is gonna be there each

535
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: and every week, And so durability is a bit of

536
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 1: a concern. He is also what I would call a

537
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: little more of a gambler. He really believes he has unshakable,

538
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: unwavering confidence in his arm, and sometimes he can make

539
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: uh mistakes or turnovers because he trust his arms so much.

540
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: But in terms of all the other stuff he has,

541
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: and I think the one thing that we can't talk

542
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: about that people won't feel and get a sense of.

543
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm a little biased because I

544
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: know him he's played for me. His best traits are

545
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: his leadership ability, his ability to make people follow. He

546
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: is very Russell Wilson s in terms of his leadership style,

547
00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: and that's something that you can only feel you and

548
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: only feel by being around him and being around the team.

549
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: That is something that may separate him from some of

550
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: the other guys. And I'm not saying Joe Burrow doesn't

551
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: have it, but I just know to A has this

552
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: confidence and air about him that makes him the pie piper.

553
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: Can I can I just say one one thing here

554
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: and we'll move on. Um this is my greatest fear

555
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: because we've talked about this leading up to that L

556
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: s U game that with ta you know, the talent

557
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: that he has and who they've played opponent wise, hadn't

558
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 1: beat anybody, So he's a very tricky evaluation. And we

559
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: were banking on the fact that we're gonna get L

560
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: s U. Right, you get Auburn which would be a

561
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: good test, and then um SEC championship game and then

562
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: maybe potentially to playoff games. So those are like five

563
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: great evaluation tools for TUA. And now I'm worried now

564
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: because they lose this game. So there's a. You know,

565
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: it's very unlikely they're gonna be playing in the SEC

566
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: Championship game. Very unlikely. Well, I would say they still

567
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: have a shot at the playoff, but right now it

568
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: doesn't look great. Um, So we potentially lose the two

569
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: playoff games, We lose the SEC championship game as evaluation tools.

570
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: So we get all were coming up. You get the

571
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: Auburn game and then potentially a bowl game, and it's

572
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: not if it's not a playoff game, you know they'll

573
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: be in at one of the New Year's six. So

574
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: that's you know, the Sugar Bowl or Cotton Bowl, wherever

575
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: they're wherever they're gonna go. My concern is, man, I

576
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: hope nobody gets in his ear and says, you've done enough, Um,

577
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: don't play in the bowl game, because to me, that

578
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: would that now we've lost that. Look at all the

579
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: evaluation opportunities that we would lose that. I'm selfishly speaking

580
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: here right, very selfish, But man, I want to see

581
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: him a couple more times on against good opponents because

582
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: we just haven't got to see a lot of that. Yeah,

583
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: that's that's really what I want to see. UM. I

584
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: want to see um him continue to play in these

585
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: big games. Now, I know we can go back and

586
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: we look at the last two years and see him

587
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: performing the championship games and in the SEC Championship game,

588
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: but injuries kind of prevented where we've never had a

589
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: full slate of games to really really watching. And then

590
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: we watched him play against Clemson when he's healthy, when

591
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: he's somewhat healthy. Yeah, I want to see more of that. However,

592
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: if we don't get a chance to see it, I

593
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: think what you gotta do is you really gotta trust

594
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: your gut in your eyes and can you imagine creatively

595
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: what he can become at the next level. I believe

596
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: the comparison to Russell Wilson is a really good one

597
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: to start it. I'm not saying that he is Russell Wilson,

598
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: but I think there are a lot of similarities and

599
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: traits not only in their play but in their personalities.

600
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: And so as we continue to go forward with this evaluation,

601
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: the conversation between Joe Burrow, UH and TWA is going

602
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: to be a fascinating one. Is gonna be fascinating to

603
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: see how Scouts kind of aligned themselves with both guys. Yeah,

604
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: I think, to me, Look, I have people ask me

605
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: who is it, Who's the top guy? Look, I've made

606
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: up my mind yet, Man, I've got to I want

607
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 1: to watch a lot more of these guys. We get

608
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: more opportunities to study them. So, um, it's close. I

609
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: think they're both really good football players. Let's switch over

610
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: to the wide receiver discussion, your buck. I spent yesterday

611
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: just watching a boatload of these guys, and we've been

612
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: talking about L s U and Joe burrow Man. Uh.

613
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, the receiver there who's draft eligible, is fantastic.

614
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he's big, fast, huff. He can work in

615
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. Um, he can work down

616
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: in the field. You can do a lot of different things.

617
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: He's outstanding. Uh. The I watched the kid from Arizona State,

618
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: Brandon Ayuk. Who's to me, he's a he's he is.

619
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: He is outstanding after the catch. I believe there's a

620
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: stat out there he's average in something like thirteen yards

621
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: after the catch. I think he's averaging over twenty yards

622
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: of catch and thirteen of it is after the catch. Um,

623
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: so I love that about him. You think about guys

624
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: like Juju Smith, Schuster, d J. Moore. Um, he's that

625
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: type of a guy where you just love his toughness

626
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: and what he can do. Really fun player to watch. Ceedee,

627
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: Lamb's having a great year. We've talked a bunch about Seed.

628
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: Don't need to go there. Rugs talked about him rare

629
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: rare speed. Um circle back on Lavisca Chennault, the challenge

630
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: with Lavisca rare rare combination of the two or twenty pounds,

631
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: rare size, speed, uh, physicality, um man, I just some

632
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: of these other guys. You watch him, you see just

633
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: so many you know, a variety of routes. You see

634
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: him do so many different things. He's like a supersized

635
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: running back where he's gonna be kind of your fly

636
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: sweep guy that used him in the Wildcat Just get

637
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands and let him go. But

638
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: in terms of refinement, some of these other guys in

639
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: this class a little more refined as route runners. Yeah.

640
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: As funny as you say that, because I'm writing down

641
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: in my notes right now that he is basically, um

642
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: a supercharge. Jalen Hurt meaning Jalen Hurd was a guy

643
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: that you really didn't know what position he fit. Is

644
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: your wide receiver, is your running back is a little

645
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: bit of both, Like maybe we should categorize him as

646
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: an offensive weapon. I think for Lavisca, I think it

647
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: is very very similar because he's not a refined route runner.

648
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: He's not necessarily your prototypical, uh, number one wide receiver

649
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: that you can put him out there and he's going

650
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: to impact the game and that role. He is a

651
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: guy that you have to find a way to put

652
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands and whatever that is. I

653
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe that is a Cardio Patterson type playmaker,

654
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: someone that has kind of found a way to be

655
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: a returner and a hybrid running back type deal. But

656
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: it is one of those things that is fascinating. But

657
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: the other guys that we've we've talked about on on

658
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: this list, I mean you talked about the Arizona State kid.

659
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: He is remark had a chance to watch him. Jalen

660
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: Reagor to me is a speaster. He's explosive, he's dynamic.

661
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: UM right system where you're asking him to get on

662
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: the edge and make plays UM and you want the

663
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: rack and the home runn ability, he will give you that. UM.

664
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: The Alabama receivers Jerry Judy is the classic refined right

665
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: route runner. Rugs is dynamic and explosive. Smith can take

666
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: the top off the defense. I think this year more

667
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: than any other year because the depth of the draft

668
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: is such where I don't know if you need to

669
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: invest a first round picking a wide receiver. I think

670
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 1: what you need to figure out is what exactly do

671
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: we want to complete our wide receiver corps? Do we

672
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: want a playmaker? Do you want to route runner? Do

673
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: we want um a specialist that maybe is a guy

674
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: that work inside outside? Yeah, run after get so this

675
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: year more than any other year when we are having

676
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: and I know, like when we get the path to

677
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: the draft, like we all love to do top five,

678
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: But I think this is going to really text our

679
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: imagination to come up with different categories to put these

680
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: guys in because it won't be a one size fit

681
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: all evaluation at the wide receiver position. Depending on what

682
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: you value, you'll shuffle the deck a little differently because

683
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: those guys don't necessarily fit um the traditional model at

684
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: pass catcher. Yeah, and it is a it is a deep,

685
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: deep group. Michael Pittman from USC I went back and

686
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: watch more of him. He's going to be I'll tell

687
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: exactly what how he's gonna be used at the next level.

688
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: If you watch the Chargers and how they use Mike Williams,

689
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: that's how you're gonna use Michael Pittman. Who's gonna who's

690
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: gonna catch three balls a game in the NFL, but

691
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: one of them is gonna be forty plus where he's

692
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: gonna just high point balls down the field, make make plays.

693
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: He's an asset in the run game because it's just

694
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,239
Speaker 1: so big and strong, uh and tough. He's gonna win

695
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: on some slants at key moments in the game. He's

696
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: not gonna be somebody that's running every single route on

697
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: the tree and and the whole offense is there for him.

698
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: But he can do his damage and minimum touches and

699
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: minimal touches, I should say, Uh, that's Michael Pittman. Antonio

700
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: Gandy Golden from Liberty is enormous um, big hoking, physical

701
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: receiver who buck. When I was looking for comps, I

702
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: compared him to Billy Madison at Recess. That's who I

703
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: can say. Billy Madison played dodgeball with little kids and

704
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: Liberties playing their Division one. Now I mean they're playing

705
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: this is like Buffalo, and I want to think of Syracuse.

706
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: A couple of games I watched this Division One teams

707
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: and he just kind of ragged alls guys after the catch.

708
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: He kind of posts up on guys one handed catches.

709
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: He's not gonna run that fast. I would guess he's

710
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: probably a four six guy. Um, but if you're looking

711
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: for that big, physical guy, he he fits the molder.

712
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: He talked about raagor who can who can fly? Davante

713
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: Smith ultra, ultra explosive for Alabama. I don't think I

714
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: think it's long been thought that Jerry Judy, you know,

715
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the top wide receiver in the draft.

716
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case. When I talk to

717
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: people around in the league, that's that's kind of all

718
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: over the place, and there's a lot of people. I'd

719
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: say it's pretty mixed on who the best Alabama receiver

720
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: because you know, Henry Ruggs is faster, and that's not debatable.

721
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: He's got rare speed. Henry Ruggs is a little tougher,

722
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: a little more physical with the way he plays in

723
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: terms of breaking tackles. Um, he's a great special teams player.

724
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: So you bring that to the table. Now, Judy is

725
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: a superior route runner. They're both outstanding after the catch.

726
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: Judy is more loose and slippery, whereas Ruggs just can

727
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: flat out just run right by you. But that's not

728
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not a slam dunk. Now there's there's

729
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: It depends. It depends on what you're looking for, what

730
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: you want, Yeah, it it really does depend. Um and

731
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: even just at Alabama, just using the three of those

732
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: guys as an example, Uh, Jerry Judy isn't the most explosive,

733
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: but maybe he's the most ready in terms of uh

734
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: running ability, polish, maybe being able to play multiple positions

735
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: and half um an effect on the impact of the game.

736
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,479
Speaker 1: These other guys are explosive though, So when you're talking

737
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: about right now players in terms of being able to

738
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: take the top off the defense to give you the

739
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: home run potential, Uh, these guys may offer more of

740
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: that than Jerry Judy. And so it be important that

741
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: as we are moving down the evaluation and really for

742
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: area scouts, um, what is exactly the offense coordinated looking for?

743
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: How what is his vision for the offense and the

744
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: roles that whoever they take in is going to play

745
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,959
Speaker 1: on that offense. I think that will determine the order

746
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: more than anything else, because I think talent wise, all

747
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: of these guys are comparable talents. Um, it comes down

748
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: to skill set and which skills you prioritize when it

749
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: comes to selecting your UH coveted wide receiver. All right, Buck,

750
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: I want to do a little exercise here, um where

751
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: we go back and go start at and we look

752
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: at the top two receivers that were picked in the

753
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: first round. And this is in terms of how they've

754
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: played in the NFL versus the top two receivers in

755
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: terms of how they've played that we're drafted in the

756
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: second round. And I think we'll find something interesting here

757
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: because these teams have to make a decision. Do you,

758
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: if you love a receiver, do you take him right

759
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: there in the first round or do you wait? So

760
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: in the top two receivers in terms of how they've

761
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: played in the NFL, Will Fuller and Josh Doson those

762
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: were the first round guys. The second round guys Michael Thomas,

763
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 1: who's on record pace right now reception wise, and Tyler

764
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: Boyd who's been a good player for the Cincinnati Bengals.

765
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that's debatable, right, I mean the second

766
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: round group you would take over that first round group. Yeah,

767
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 1: I think so. And I think for the first round group,

768
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: will Fuller has been solid. He's a speaster, but I

769
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: think he's roles specific. His role is to be the

770
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: big play artists on that team. DeAndre Hopkins is the

771
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: number one, will Fuller is the designated number two. Uh,

772
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: he's the guy who does all the vertical stretch plays.

773
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: I think the differences with the other guys, Michael Thomas

774
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: and Tyler Boyd, their games are a little more conducive

775
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: to being lead receivers in their respective offenses. Michael Thomas

776
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: big physical and we've talked about this on previous podcast. UM.

777
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: Right now, Physicality, toughness, and physical domination our traits at

778
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position that you cover it. Um. So,

779
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna get a big guy, I want him

780
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: to physically over welm and overpower. He needs to be

781
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: fast enough, but the physicality has to be a big

782
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: part of his game because I'm gonna ask him to

783
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: do some tough guy things. Catch the ball over the middle,

784
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: dig out linebackers in the run game, make those combative catches.

785
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: I need to see that Tyler Boyd has a little

786
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: bit of everything in his game. He can play the

787
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: physical style, but he really he's a slip re polished

788
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: route runner, does the dirty work inside the numbers, which

789
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: makes him a nice compliment to a J. Green when

790
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: he's healthy, but it also enables him to be the

791
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: number one when a J isn't available. Because Fuller and

792
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean Josh Dawnson for Lester, we just never just

793
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: never didn't work for whatever reason. In Washington. Fuller is

794
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: more explosive in in the draft. We kind of get

795
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: caught up in the I guess the Dog and Pony

796
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: Show in terms of what guys bring to the table.

797
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: Speed is outstanding or whatever, But he's roles specific. These

798
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: other guys were a little more versatile in their play,

799
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: but they just didn't have maybe the physical traits from

800
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: a speed standpoint that enabled us to put them in

801
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: the first round. Yeah. Again, it kind of comes back

802
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: to what role you're looking for guys. But um, you know,

803
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: Will flour has been a good player win healthy. Obviously,

804
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: the durability is a is a legitimate issue there, but

805
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: I think you can make a strong argument there for

806
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: those guys in the second round. Everything that they've done all,

807
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: let's go to seventeen Corey Davis and Mike Williams. John

808
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: Ross was also in the first round that year, but

809
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: it would be Corey Davis and Mike Williams versus Curtis

810
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: Samuel and Juju Smith Schuster who were the second round picks.

811
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: Now when you look at uh, let's look at Mike

812
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: Williams compared to Curtis Samuel. So Curtis Samuel has caught

813
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: let me see you pull it up right here. Curtis

814
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: Samuel career eighty eight balls for a thousand and fifty

815
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: one yards and nine touchdowns, thousand fifty one and nine.

816
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: Mike Williams eighty five forty four some more yards and

817
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: ten touchdowns, so one more touchdown. I get a slight

818
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: edge there to Mike Williams. But then you go Juju

819
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: Smith Schuster and what he's been able to do, and

820
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: you compare him to Corey Davis, and that is a

821
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: lopsided win there for Juju Smith Schuster. So while it's close,

822
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 1: I think you still probably would take that second round

823
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: group over that first round group. Yeah, I think so.

824
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: And I think the big thing like we'll put it

825
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: ask you by Corey Davis um. Sometimes injuries have impacted

826
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: his play, but also the transition from look, it's still

827
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: a D one school, but the jump from Western Michigan

828
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: to National Football League sometimes it can take people a

829
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: while to kind of settle in. He has shown flashes,

830
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: but he hasn't been the dominant player that you want

831
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: to see as a top five pick. Juju Smith Schuster

832
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: stepped into a nice situation in Pittsburgh where he was

833
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: playing opposite an electrifying player and a b He has

834
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: grown into a complimentary player. Maybe he will become a

835
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: number one, but Juju Smith Schuster has always been a

836
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: solid number two and that role fits him well. Physical,

837
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: terrific ether to catch, has shown more juice than maybe

838
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: you thought in terms of being a vertical player. This

839
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: year hasn't been the same kind of impact player for

840
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: the Stellers, but he's been solid and I think sometimes

841
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: in the second round, if you can just hit a double,

842
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: that is more than enough to kind of sustain you.

843
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: So well, let's put some numbers on it. Corey Davis

844
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: obviously consider the situation, but in his career thus far,

845
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: hundred seven catches sixteen hundred forty yards, six touchdowns. So

846
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: Hun sixteen forty and six uh Juju Smith Schuster two

847
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: hundred and five catches forty six yards, seventeen touchdowns. So

848
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: the situations are different, no doubt, But the production it's

849
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: not close to me when you look at the other

850
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: two guys, that's it's comparable. That one's not. So I

851
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: still think if we're you know, for for the sake

852
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: of this exercise, I think you'd have to say the

853
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: second round guys over the first round guys. Yeah, the

854
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: second round guys that have certainly done. And I looked

855
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: this goes back and I meant deleted off before we

856
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: got into it. When I when I was in Green Bay,

857
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: UM and then working for Mike Homing in Seattle. Uh,

858
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: we did take a first round why I received We

859
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: took Coin Robinson my first year, maybe my second year

860
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 1: in the league. But typically the blueprint of the game

861
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: plan was to take a wide receiver in the second

862
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: and third round UM And the reason why is because

863
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: they felt like the system would create opportunities for a

864
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: guy to develop and grow into a more prominent role.

865
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: There also was a developmental plan for those players. The

866
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: first year they would come in, they would be the

867
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: third receiver and the pump returner. The second year they

868
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: may knock on the door to be a starting player.

869
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: And so as we look and have these discussions, I

870
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: am beginning to wonder is it a smarter investment to

871
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: bypass taking a wide receiver in round one and maybe

872
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: invest in two receivers second, third round, second fourth round

873
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: and see if those guys can develop into being number

874
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: one players. We've seen the Pittsburgh still has have success

875
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: with guys outside the first round, So maybe, just maybe

876
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: that is a better developmental and economic model to building

877
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: your team. Yeah. I mean again, it's just it's not

878
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: that you're not you want to get great players, but

879
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: you also want to get the value with where you

880
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: pick him. That's the challenge that these decision makers have. Um.

881
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: This next one is pretty fascinating, Buck. I think this

882
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: is a this is a close one here d J.

883
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: Moore Calvin Ridley, Umen versus Christian Kirk, and I put

884
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: DJ Chark Courtland Sutton has been really good to another

885
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: second round er there this one. I think you can

886
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: make an argument either way. I think if you look

887
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: at their the career is thus far you probably leaned

888
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: towards the first round guys because of of DJ Moore

889
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: his production. He's He's had a nice start to his

890
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: career here. He's got uh fourteen hundred yards and only

891
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: three touchdowns, but four hundred yards DJ chark Um only

892
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: has eight hundred and sixty six yards and his career

893
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: six touchdowns, But you're seeing him really blossom and emerged

894
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: this year. We're starting to see him take off. Christian

895
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: Kirk is another one who um doesn't have huge numbers.

896
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: He's got a thousand yards, a thousand fifty seven yards,

897
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: six touchdowns, but man, you're starting to see him take

898
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: off this year as well. So I'd say if you're

899
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: looking at kind of where they're going, man, it's a

900
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: you can make it. For those second rounders. Uh, DJ

901
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: More and Calvin Ridley, they've been pretty good. Yeah, both

902
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: guys have been pretty good, and both guys have done

903
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 1: it in their own unique way. When we talk about stylistically,

904
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: they're different in terms of the way that they play. Um.

905
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: DJ More is more of the playmaker, rack specialists, run

906
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: after catch, makes it happen when he gets the ball

907
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: in his hands, breaks tackles, gets loose on the perimeter

908
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: is uh kind of squirreling when it comes to being

909
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: in the open field. Calvin really is a route runner.

910
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: Calvin really is a guy that certainly benefited from playing

911
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: opposite Julio Jones. He gets the one on one coverage

912
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: on the backside, but he wins against number two received

913
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: number two cornerbacks because he does have all the tools

914
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: and the toolbox in terms of stop star, quickness, separation,

915
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: burst uh, just being crafty at the top of his routes. Uh.

916
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: It proves that if you know exactly what you want

917
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: and how it fits into your offense, both guys, both

918
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: styles can be very, very successful, no doubt. Um, let's

919
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: move down there. So I could say we could give

920
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: the edge there to the first round guys, but it's

921
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: close nineteen this year. This one's you know, it's tough

922
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: because you've got Marquis Brown, who's been good, Um it

923
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: went on the fields, miss a couple of games, he's

924
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: been good. And then to kill Harry who has not

925
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: been on the field, has been injured for the New

926
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: England Patriots. And then you look at the second round guys, Um,

927
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: you know we've got good options here, but we've got

928
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: Mikole Hardman, We've got DK Metcalf. You also have h J. Brown. Um,

929
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: so I think that to me, when you just look

930
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: at the numbers, it's early obviously, it's it's halfway through

931
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: the year, a little over halfway through the year. Uh.

932
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: To me, that's the second round guys thus far, early on, Yeah,

933
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: the second round guys. Miko Harman jumped into an offense

934
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: that uh they very they I mean they have a

935
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: clear understanding of how to maximize his skill set. He's fast,

936
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: he's explosive. Uh, they have maybe a clone to model

937
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: their offense around because they have Tyrekio, so they understand

938
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: kind of how to position him on some of those

939
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: deep overs. DK Metcalf has been the highway speed specimen,

940
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 1: uh that we thought it would be at Old Miss

941
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: coming into the league and with the Seattle cry Have

942
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: they have a unique offensive system where Russell Wilson creates

943
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: a big player opportunity, scrambles loose plays, um these deep balls,

944
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: and so DK Metcalf has been able to be we

945
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: talked about a couple a couple weeks ago. He's been

946
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: able to be basically a super size uh tag in

947
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: junior where he's a vertical stretch guy. He's not asked

948
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: to run a lot of different routes. But because their

949
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: offense uh revolves around the running game and that vertical

950
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: passing game, it is worth for them. Marky's Brown has

951
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: given the Ravens a boost when he's been available. He

952
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: just hasn't been available enough to really kind of endorse

953
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: him fully, but right now, I think, uh, you go

954
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: either way, but you could certainly say that the second

955
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: round players have had a greater impact in their first

956
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: round brethren. Yeah, you look at me. Cole Hardman for

957
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: four thirty seven five touchdowns average, Marquis Brown fifty four

958
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: touchdown sixteen point two average. The numbers are very very close.

959
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: My thing is, and I love Marku's Brown. Thought he

960
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: was the best receiver in the draft class, and I

961
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: think he's got a chance to be that guy throughout

962
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: his career. Rare the challenges, man, they got Mikole Hardman

963
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: who does a lot of those same things without paying

964
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: that price, you know, if they're in the first round.

965
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: So it's a it's interesting conversation, is what I'm getting

966
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: out here. Buck. Yeah, It's is a very interesting conversation.

967
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: Is one that uh, evaluated. Will have to continue to have.

968
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: When we talked about the depth and the talent in

969
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: this draft class, the twenty wide receiver draft class is

970
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: absolutely loaded with talent. You have to have that conversation,

971
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: and I think we also have to reset. We've always

972
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: talked about the positions and what we value most. So

973
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: if we value quarterbacks and pass rushes up there, um,

974
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: I think you have to put those positions up there

975
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: and they say, Okay, that's second, right, I can go

976
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: and get a pass catcher. Because it's been proven year

977
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: after year after year that it may not be that

978
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: big of a difference between first round receivers and second

979
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: rd receivers when it comes to the impact and value.

980
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: It's because it's seven on seven. Man, I go back

981
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: to the to the proliferation of seven on seven. It's

982
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: just producing wide receivers. Um. I mean every year they're

983
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: just they're they're everywhere whiteouts. Yeah. I mean a lot

984
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: of times we talked about the devaluation of the running

985
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: back position. I think you could probably say the same

986
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: for the wide receivers is devalued in terms of do

987
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: I need to get it in the first round or

988
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: can I get it into second and third round and

989
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: still have that kind of production. All right, let's let's

990
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: get to UH. We're gonna quickly go through some hits

991
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: and mrs. Then get some some questions here that you

992
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: guys have left us and UH, and then we'll get

993
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: rolling here. Um. Normally I do hit the MRS. Buck

994
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: I do A player I got right, a player I

995
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: got wrong. But let's let's have some Let's do this

996
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: UH in a humble way today. Let's go to DJ

997
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: MRS here and UH, and then we'll keep it at

998
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: the same position. It'll be nice and easy. So this

999
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: is a player now these guys with where I had

1000
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: him grated was very very much in line with where

1001
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: they got picked. But they have outperformed their draft selection.

1002
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: Are you ready? All right? The first one and these

1003
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: are just notes, so it's not my full reports here,

1004
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,959
Speaker 1: but I just have the notes in the sixcel sheet

1005
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: on these guys when I got ready for the draft.

1006
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: This player has touched a lot of hub runs, has

1007
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: a bad habit of sinking his base, and when he does,

1008
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: the ball will sale. I do like his quick release,

1009
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: I do see poise. He reminds me a lot of

1010
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: Brett Hunley. And this player has been significantly better than

1011
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: Brett Hunley. Let's leave with that. Brett Hunley. Jeez, I'm

1012
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm digging. I'm digging through the Crayson over here, digging,

1013
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: digging deep, trying to find well, I know if somebody

1014
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: is not it's not Christian Hackenburg. Let's see uh uh

1015
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: see my quarterbacks. He only got top three rounds. He

1016
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: was not a top three round guy. Buck. Oh, he

1017
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: was not a top three round guy. No, but he

1018
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: is a starter and he is fixing to make a

1019
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: ton of money. Oh, it says to be um Dak Prescott, Right, Yeah,

1020
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: this is raft I made. I made your to Bill,

1021
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: gave you just the top three rounds. I'm looking at

1022
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: the top light rounds. Yeah, Dak Prescott. So yeah, I

1023
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: compared Dak Prescott to Brett Hunley. That is that's a

1024
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: little off on uh, I mean just a little bit,

1025
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I might have gone too far in

1026
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: the other thing because I compared him to Steve McNair

1027
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 1: when he was coming out and reported it was yeah,

1028
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: well you won that one. But just because of the

1029
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: rugged style of play. But um, who knew a DJ

1030
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: like a lot of what works is fit in scheme,

1031
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: and he went to a nice place for him, the

1032
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys work. They had the big offensive line, they

1033
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: had a running game going um and it just was

1034
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: the perfect storm. Got on the field. Uh, sooner than

1035
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: we anticipated. But he's worked for him. And I think

1036
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: the one thing that we see from Dak Prescott beyond

1037
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: his physical traits, his best traits are really his leadership,

1038
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: his competitiveness, UM, the moxie, the toughness, tess stuff. And

1039
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 1: so as we talked about these quarterbacks, we talked about

1040
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow into a being able to dig down and

1041
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: see how much of that do these guys have, because

1042
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: it's really really important. The interesting thing is, again I

1043
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: talked about bread crumbs, go back and figure out and

1044
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: learn from your mistakes. When I look at just those

1045
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: little notes that I had, their buck, the guy's got

1046
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: poise and a guy's a touch, it's a pretty good

1047
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: foundation for a quarterback. You know. That's the difference between

1048
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 1: him and Huntley. You know, I compared him to Huntley

1049
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: because they both ran the ball a lot, both physical

1050
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: similar builds, um, similar arms strength, I would say, but

1051
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: Huntley didn't have that touch and Huntley didn't have the poise,

1052
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: so that there's there's the mistake right there. Um, all right,

1053
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: let's get to another quarterback, um who I had a

1054
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: little bit lower than Dak Um and here my notes

1055
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: on him. Operates in the pistol, holds the ball a

1056
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: lot question. His pocket awareness does show the ability to

1057
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: work left to right, great size throws with touch. I

1058
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: gave I thought he'd be a good backup, and uh,

1059
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: he's now emerged to be more than a good backup.

1060
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: Same draft class. More in the background. He liked him

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00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: more than Dack. No, no, I like Dak better than him,

1062
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: but he was he was behind Dac a little bit. Dak.

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00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: I gave a developmental grade. I thought Dac had a

1064
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: chance to be a starter. What we were said correct.

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00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: I thought Jacoby was going to be a career backup. Um.

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00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: I thought that's who he was. I just questioned, it

1067
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: is kind of awareness. It's just an interesting thing because

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00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: he's not he's not a super athlete. Kind of a

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00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: different I would say a different bill. But there was

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00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: nothing that necessarily popped when I watched him on tape. Now, uh,

1071
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: for disclosure. Leading up to the draft, one of the

1072
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: guys that was advising him and to kind of pull

1073
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: me to the side and talked to him and talked

1074
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: about the relationship that he had with Bill Parcels and

1075
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: all of those coaches Dan Henning down there in Jupiter, Florida,

1076
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: and how those guys really took a liking to him.

1077
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: But at the time, he's like, man, this guy is

1078
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: just selling me a story. Like I mean that it's

1079
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: a great story, But is he good enough to be there?

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00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: And look, sure enough, goes to the Patriots, has some success,

1081
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: goes to Indianapolis after they fixed the team this year,

1082
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: they missed him, like when he's been out, like Brian Horry,

1083
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: has not been able to kind of sustain it the

1084
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: way that Jacoby Brisaid has. And this team has won,

1085
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: and they won in a different way than they were

1086
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: winning with Andrew Luck. But you can knock his ability

1087
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: to get out there and to manage the game and

1088
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: winning fashion and sometimes in the National Football League that's

1089
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: all you need at quarterback. Yeah, that's what he's done.

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00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: He's uh, he's really continued to grow and develop and

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00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: become a good, solid starting quarterback in the NFL. The

1092
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: NC State thing is kind of funny, and when you

1093
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: look at Philip Rivers, Russell Wilson who was at NC

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00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: State before he transferred Wisconsin, Jacoby Brissette. We saw last

1095
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: week Um Finlay started game for the Cincinnati Bengals. He's

1096
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: gonna start the rest of the season. Also, look at Glennon. Uh,

1097
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: I mean there is a bunch of guys that have

1098
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 1: come out of of NC State to play the quarterback position.

1099
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: How come you guys can get you these guys in

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00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Buck Man like, okay, so you're talking about

1101
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: a transfer and Jacoby Protan from Florida. Uh, Mike Glennon

1102
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: was a big time prospect. I said it was, you

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00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: guys have rules, you're not allowed to take transfers. There's

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00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: rare we take him. It's very rare, Like it's rare

1105
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: to be take well, where all the dummy classes full.

1106
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: You couldn't get him in those fake classes. You guys

1107
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: have been wet. They weren't fake classes. They were correspondes courses,

1108
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: meaning that you could take him from the comfort of

1109
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: your home. You don't have to go on campus. So

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00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: they've really meant for the winter months. Um, I think

1111
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's funny that they do

1112
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: have this pipeline with all these NFL quarterbacks, the Rivers

1113
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: to Glennon the Russell Wilson. Jacober said, Ryan, Yeah, bust

1114
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: of dudes. I mean, jeezus gosh, and we don't have

1115
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: anybody to hang out. Pretty nuts. Yeah, all right, Nabil,

1116
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: give us give us some questions here. Again, these are

1117
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: questions that everyone has left us on on Apple podcasts.

1118
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: You just leave us a review right there and uh

1119
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: and we will answer your question. So fire away, buddy.

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00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: What we got first? One? Who is the best running

1121
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: back to oh in the league, best running back duo

1122
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 1: in the league? Buck, What do you think I'm gonna

1123
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: go with to Cleveland Browns. I'm gonna go with Nick

1124
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: che and Kareem Hunt because I believe they have remade

1125
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: the Kevin bin or did Kevin mcernest miner thing that

1126
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: I used to do in tech mall these two dudes

1127
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: potentially who they could be a problem. And if the

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00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns stick to the formula of running the ball

1129
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: before they put the ball in Baker Mayfield's hands, I

1130
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: think this could be a very problematic duo. Those two

1131
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: guys in the split back formation, the way they're motioning

1132
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: Hunt out and throwing them passes while handing the ball

1133
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: at the chub. This could be a problem. This is

1134
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: something that we haven't seen. I'm gonna take you all

1135
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: the way back to when we were kids. DJ did

1136
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners when they have Roger Craig and

1137
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: Tymer Rathman and they're playing split backs and doing all

1138
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: that other stuff. This really reminds me of those San

1139
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty niners. Uh, great teams in the in

1140
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: the eighties. Uh, that's a great call. I'm that would

1141
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: probably would have been the one that I would have

1142
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: gone to. Um. I'll say, look, Camara and Latavius Murray,

1143
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: this is gonna be up in there just because Camara

1144
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: is so good. I mean, he can do everything. So

1145
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: you get a little bonus points there, Um, unless you

1146
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: get a big back, but I'll give you one. Can

1147
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: you talk about Cleveland kind of where they're headed. I

1148
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: think that's one that's on the rise. I gotta sneak

1149
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: a good one in Philadelphia because Miles Sanders used to

1150
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: grow in his role. He's got some juice. He can

1151
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: catch the ball out of the backfield. Jordan Howard's kind

1152
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: of that pounder that really kind of fits the uh,

1153
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: you know, the mold of having kind of a pounder

1154
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: and then more of a speed guy. So I like

1155
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: that combination going forward for the Eagles. Look his word

1156
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: for them, and if Doug Peterson remains patient with the

1157
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: running game, that could be the thing that propels them

1158
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: to a division title. Uh. Since they've utilized Miles Sanders

1159
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: in their role, and since they've run the ball more

1160
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: committed to run the ball more, that offense has a

1161
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: little more pop in because this is a team that's

1162
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: really devoid of explosive playmakers. Nanda DeShawn Jackson is on

1163
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: the shelf. They need their running backs to make their plays,

1164
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: and I think Miles Sanders maybe they're more most explosive

1165
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: option offensively as it stands. What's next to Bill? What

1166
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: do we got? What surprises you most about the NFL?

1167
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 1: Oh Man? What surprises me most about the NFL? To me,

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00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: it's that, well, I guess it shouldn't surprise me because

1169
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: it's a long season, But it surprises me some of

1170
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,720
Speaker 1: the team, some of the eggs that it laid throughout

1171
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: a season. In other words, you just how do you

1172
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: account for what happened with Atlanta, New Orleans. I mean,

1173
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,479
Speaker 1: when one team is playing so well, other teams playing

1174
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: so poorly, and then you get a result like that,

1175
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: the people that bet on NFL football are certifiably crazy.

1176
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that that. I don't know how. You know,

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00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: you could study the matchups and everything could could slant

1178
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: in one direction, you can get a different results. So

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00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: I would say that's what surprises me the most about

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00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: the league. UM, although it shouldn't because it's a long

1181
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: season book, it is very surprising to see the parody

1182
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: in the league. UM, to see teams like the Miami

1183
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: Dolphins that can go of tote toe, these teams when

1184
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: it seems like they're rosters, they don't have any in

1185
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: any stars, they don't have enough um people that can compete.

1186
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: But it's a National Football league, and when we really

1187
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: talk about any given Sunday, any given Sunday, anybody can

1188
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: be knocked off. There may be a narrow path to victory.

1189
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: But if people follow the path, um, they certainly can

1190
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: win games. And so it's been one of the things

1191
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: that continues to pop up when we watch these games

1192
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: each and every weekend. No doubt, all right, give us

1193
00:57:58,320 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: so I think we got one more in a bill

1194
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: we we got I'd like to hear more about Bucky's

1195
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: first year coaching in Granada Hills Charter High School. What

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00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: offense did he implement and we're talking and what was

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00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: the culture before and after his first year and how

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00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: did he deal with players who didn't y give me

1199
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: some Granada Hills Charter football chat. What we got? Man,

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00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: this has been like the best experience that I've ever

1201
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: had in terms of coaching young people, because it has

1202
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: been the biggest learning experience for me. Um. It's one

1203
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: thing to go from what we call the suggestion box

1204
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: to be in the decision maker. When you're an assistant coach,

1205
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: you've got all the bright ideas, you can give everything

1206
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: a coach. Why don't we do this? Why don't we

1207
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: do that? When you have to make decisions, you have

1208
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: to weigh Okay, if we do this, this is how

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00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: it impacts the entire team. And so it's funny that

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00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: it brings it to the offense because we are a

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Speaker 1: double wing offensive team. That wasn't the intention. Um. The

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00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: double wing offense is very very popular in California because

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00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: of a coach Um named Don Markham. Don Markham took

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00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: a one in nine team and won a state championship

1215
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: by scoring eight points running a double wing for double

1216
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: type double wing offense with a lot of misdirection. It

1217
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: is equivalent to being kind of like army is the

1218
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: great equalizing it's not the flexible with the option, but

1219
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: it's a powerful option that offense that also has a

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00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: lot of misdirection. It's an offense where if you don't

1221
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: have an elite quarterback, you can get by. So we

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00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: did it because of our personnel. We did it because

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00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: it's a little contrarian. Everyone in our area is a

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00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: little more spread, so this gives us something that allows

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00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: us to be different. And if you think about a

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00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: long term viability to program, you're trying to create an identity.

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00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: So it works. It's a lot easier to get running

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00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: backs and quarterbacks, so that's why we went there. And

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00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: it's also a selfless offense in terms of culture. The

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00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: culture part is everything that we've talked about with these coaches,

1231
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: like how do you take over And it doesn't matter

1232
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: who was there before you. The players that are there

1233
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: when you stand in front of the room, they're your players.

1234
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: So how can you stress commitment accountability and trust. How

1235
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: can you get them to buying and believe that, Look,

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01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: you really love them, you care for them, Uh, your

1237
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: love for them is unconditional, good battering different, that you're

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01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: gonna show up every day. And then finally, I think

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01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do is kind of get them

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01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: to buy into the message of whatever your values are.

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01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: And so one of the things that we've talked about,

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01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: especially near the end of the season, Um, we want

1243
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: to each player and each the team to feel like

1244
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: you're unstoppable and you're unbreakable. That if you buy into

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01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: what we're doing, that there is no one that can

1246
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: stop you. We may lose, but we won't be broken.

1247
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: And the unbreakable comment comes from you never have your

1248
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: spirit broken. No matter what happens. We'll play into the

1249
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: clock runs out, but good battering different, we won't have

1250
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: our spirit uh broken. And if we can do that,

1251
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: we can win a lot more games than we lose.

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01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: And so I was really proud of our guys because

1253
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: they kind of took to that, and we feel really

1254
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: really good about where we could go in the future,

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01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: just kind of believing in each other. Well, I to

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01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: just add one little thing on there can we get away,

1257
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: don't it some money of the program? I mean what

1258
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: we're working man. Look he's come around, but to his credit,

1259
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: like we haven't done the big gask And so you

1260
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: heard James Franklin say, hey, the first couple of times

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01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: you meet with a T shirt and a hat and

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01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: then then later on the big gass. So just so

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01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: you know he knows it's coming, that's when the big

1264
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: asset come. We need we need a couple of things

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01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: around the program now now we do the big as

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01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: to kind of make some of this stuff happen. I

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Speaker 1: love it, man, Well, it's been fun to kind of

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Speaker 1: go along on that journey from Afar with you, Buck,

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Speaker 1: to watch you take over football team, change that culture,

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Speaker 1: get them winning football games and being competitive. Um, it's

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Speaker 1: been fun. Just proud of you as a friend, but

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Speaker 1: proud of you and what you're doing working with all

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Speaker 1: these kids because you could easily stayed where you were,

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Speaker 1: been a coordinator at an established program, but instead you

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Speaker 1: took on the big chair and took over a place

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Speaker 1: that struggled. And it's been fun. Man, it's been fun

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Speaker 1: to watch. Thanks man, it has been a lot of fun. Like, um,

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Speaker 1: I can only tell you like uh, to watch kids

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Speaker 1: have success, to win five games in a row, to

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Speaker 1: have a winning season when they haven't had one in

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Speaker 1: a decade. To play a very competitive playoff game where

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Speaker 1: everyone is very emotional after you lose a one point game.

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Speaker 1: But to see the JV kids emotional and crime because

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Speaker 1: they know that their seniors didn't go on but they're

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Speaker 1: committed to come back. That part is exciting and so man,

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Speaker 1: we can't wait to get back to work. So I'm

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Speaker 1: excited about it all. That's awesome. Well, this has been

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Speaker 1: a fun episode. I hope you guys have enjoyed as

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Speaker 1: much as we have. UM. Again, you heard some of

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Speaker 1: those questions get answered. You have questions, go on Apple Podcast,

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Speaker 1: drop them on there and leave us a review in

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Speaker 1: the rating. Will be happy to answer it next week

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Speaker 1: on the pod. A lot of ground covered. UM, looking

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Speaker 1: forward to next week. More great coaching conversations coming your way.

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Speaker 1: We've got a lineup that you're going to really enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Trust me on this one, but thanks for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time right here on Move the Sticks.

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Speaker 1: Sut Ha dfor the olt POUTD