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Speaker 2: Do yesterday where was a large memorial for Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: one hundreds of thousands of people in attendance. We're going

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Speaker 2: to bring you some of those clips that, including extraordinary

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Speaker 2: one from his widow, Erica Kirk. This also comes as

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Speaker 2: there are continue to be many questions about the investigation,

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Speaker 3: let's go ahead and start then with Charlie Kirk's memorial.

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Speaker 3: Hundreds of thousands of people showing up. It was basically

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Speaker 1: Now is the time, this is the place, this is

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Speaker 3: There, didn't he said Charlie. He did not hate his opponents.

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Speaker 3: And that like is the fundamental tension of like old

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and blaming anyone who's left of center and opposes

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Speaker 2: I mean that's the message coming from Trump, that's the

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Speaker 2: It's very naked what they're doing here. Stephen Miller is

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Speaker 4: And you know, there were.

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Speaker 2: Many comparisons being made with Steven Miller's speech, but actually

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Speaker 2: very much like a bb Netna who speech, a Hebrew

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Speaker 2: So we're the children of the light and they're the

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Speaker 3: also don't even think it's really working. It's not effective.

434
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Speaker 3: I think it broadly would be. But what also backfire

435
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Speaker 3: if you actually think about it. I mean, this is

436
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 3: some mistake that the right always makes, is that their

437
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 3: assumption is that the left is just like them. The

438
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 3: right is much more politically organized and connected to money. Right,

439
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 3: so right, there is an entire ecosystem. As long as

440
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Speaker 3: you're good on Israel, to have a job in this

441
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 3: town for a long time, you'll be just fine. Whereas

442
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 3: leftism is broadly the ideology of the politically educated or

443
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Speaker 3: the college educated, and thus like when we say that

444
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 3: the left is taken over institutions. It's because of ideology,

445
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 3: you know, college education, democratic separation that you know, you

446
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 3: can relatively guess that any project manager at a big

447
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 3: technology company is left wing and or a democrat. You

448
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 3: can also guess that in finance or any of these

449
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 3: other places. Now they may not be the type democrat

450
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 3: you are. They probably voted for common one capital L liberal, right,

451
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 3: let's put it that way. That's important to say, and

452
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 3: that's like a cultural distinction. But this kind of gets

453
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Speaker 3: to my point about Tyler and about from what we

454
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Speaker 3: know so far. Like you're saying it's not political, I

455
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 3: actually would argue that, you know, we've had endless debates here.

456
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Speaker 3: Transgenderism and gender ideology itself is obviously a massive social

457
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Speaker 3: contagion and in and of itself is brought is brought

458
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Speaker 3: on by the Internet and largely the weabanization and quote

459
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Speaker 3: acceptance of this ideology and pervading it throughout the entire nation.

460
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 3: Now this is both sides that coin, because what happens

461
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,959
Speaker 3: then is that Charlie becomes best known for a lot

462
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Speaker 3: of these clips that go viral of talking.

463
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Speaker 1: About biological reality or girl right.

464
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Speaker 3: And so that's how Robinson gets to the point where

465
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Speaker 3: he's like, well, because of my own like weird sexual proclivities,

466
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to go and murder somebody who speaks against them.

467
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Speaker 3: I mean that is like really important to internalize, Like

468
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Speaker 3: that's how important he thought that his like transfurry fetish

469
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Speaker 3: was to murder someone over Like, how do you get

470
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Speaker 3: to that point?

471
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Speaker 2: Well, I think internet, I think I'm not saying it's

472
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Speaker 2: not political. I'm just to be clear, I'm not saying

473
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Speaker 2: this was like divorce from politics. I'm saying there wasn't

474
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Speaker 2: like a consistent, like coherent ideology outside of Clearly, I

475
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 2: think it is quite clear that this one issue, Yeah,

476
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: that's right, was animating for him.

477
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Speaker 4: We don't disagree on that.

478
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Speaker 2: I mean, I do want to point out, like he's

479
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: not trans and from what the government is saying, the

480
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Speaker 2: you know allegedly trans, uh romantic partner has been cooperating

481
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 2: and wasn't involved, et cetera.

482
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Speaker 4: As I just want to put that down there everything

483
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Speaker 4: I know, I know you're not. I know you're not.

484
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Speaker 2: I just want to clarify because there is an impetus

485
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Speaker 2: as well. Again from Ken's reporting, there's an effort now

486
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Speaker 2: to label like transgender extremism whatever, and like blame all

487
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 2: trans people also for what happens. I'm just clarifying, So

488
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's not political. I'm saying it's it

489
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Speaker 2: is different from a like consistent ideological view. And I

490
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Speaker 2: don't think we can also divorce out the impact of

491
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Speaker 2: growing up in this very conservative religious and very repressive

492
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Speaker 2: culture where he didn't feel accepted from his own family

493
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Speaker 2: and this was a major source of tension for him

494
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Speaker 2: in his life as well as you know, his identity

495
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 2: is developed, and I think that's I think that's a

496
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: you know, a factor to weigh in as well.

497
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Speaker 3: See, that's what people blame the Mormons now they're doing

498
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Speaker 3: it right. You should shown this stuff if you're a

499
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Speaker 3: gamer and you're.

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Speaker 1: You know, don't.

501
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Speaker 2: I don't agree with that because it's a different thing

502
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Speaker 2: to say, like, you know, you know, video attic or

503
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Speaker 2: poor an addict or whatever, none of which we know

504
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: you're just projecting that. We don't actually know that. We

505
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: don't know that about Tyler. But I think what we

506
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Speaker 2: see consistently is the more repressive a culture is, sexually

507
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Speaker 2: repressive a culture is the more that you end up

508
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Speaker 2: with things like, you know, more like fringe sexual views,

509
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Speaker 2: more of the sort of things that you would be

510
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Speaker 2: opposed to more like included things like more domestic violence,

511
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Speaker 2: like all of those things tend to correlate with more

512
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Speaker 2: repressive religious cultures. And so I don't think that you

513
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Speaker 2: can look at the picture of him the little bits

514
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Speaker 2: we know which again and a lot of this is

515
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Speaker 2: speculation without also taking into effect part of what he

516
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Speaker 2: was struggling with was this identity conflict between him and

517
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Speaker 2: his upbringing and his family and his community.

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Speaker 1: I would say that is uh.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, it's in nineteen nineties take which potentially

520
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Speaker 3: had its impact. In the year twenty twenty five, I

521
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Speaker 3: think we have swung so far in the other direction again,

522
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Speaker 3: where you have people who are living to really have

523
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Speaker 3: a transferry fetish, I mean, we have to we have

524
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Speaker 3: to be really like this is what.

525
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Speaker 2: That means, really conservative, like all things you want to be,

526
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Speaker 2: all the things you should want.

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Speaker 4: It to be.

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Speaker 2: It was ya you end up reading this killer, right,

529
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Speaker 2: That's what that should tell you that, like the cultural

530
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Speaker 2: solutions you want are not a cure, since that's exactly

531
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Speaker 2: the environment in which he becomes.

532
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Speaker 4: That's what I'm killer.

533
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Speaker 3: What I'm trying to show is that the Internet and

534
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Speaker 3: this sexual degeneracy is so powerful that it pervades the

535
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Speaker 3: entire culture to the point where your own in person

536
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Speaker 3: matters don't even their own in person like networks, which

537
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Speaker 3: potentially would have been able to quash a lot of

538
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Speaker 3: this and the past is gone.

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Speaker 1: That's the power of the Internet.

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Speaker 3: And also that's the real like cultural supremacy of libertine

541
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Speaker 3: like left wing sexual idea.

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Speaker 2: Again, I think you're projecting a lot here because his friends,

543
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 2: according to you know, people who have spoken with them,

544
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Speaker 2: are like, you know, he wasn't the thing you're painting

545
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Speaker 2: him to be. That was not their experience with him whatsoever.

546
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it was just the experience in his

547
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 3: personal life at the very least again from what we

548
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 3: know about writing furry stuff or whatever, in his own

549
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: personal relationship.

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Speaker 1: But zoom out.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we had the trans Nazi killer in Minneapolis, Like,

552
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: how does that happen? Like, seriously, how does that happen?

553
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: Mental illness plus internet plus weed. It's a very simple

554
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 3: thing like was the person really transgender or were they

555
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: like semi autistic and then convinced Just like Abigail Schreyer's

556
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Speaker 3: book that actually I'm trans, and then you start plugging

557
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Speaker 3: yourself full of hormones and you go off like this

558
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Speaker 3: is what I mean.

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Speaker 1: People need to have very serious whenever we.

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Speaker 2: Talk about I want to point out that transgender people

561
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Speaker 2: make up a disproportionately small number of violent acts. Like

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Speaker 2: if we want to look at a group in society,

563
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Speaker 2: if we're going to do like demographic call outs here,

564
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Speaker 2: it is overwhelmingly white men who commit these mass acts

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Speaker 2: of violence.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you want to go down in the

567
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Speaker 3: demographic role in terms of crime, and that's my poll,

568
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Speaker 3: but that's you talk about.

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Speaker 2: No, the only reason I went to nature, I don't

570
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Speaker 2: want to go down the denamographic direction in terms of crime.

571
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Speaker 2: But if you're going to paint trans people is like

572
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Speaker 2: an inherently murderous and we have to correct the right

573
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Speaker 2: in there because that is the polar I will say.

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Speaker 3: The are inherently and this has proven out have the

575
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Speaker 3: highest depressive rates and suicide rates of the most of the.

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Speaker 2: General It's really hard to be trans in America. Does

577
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Speaker 2: listen to some of the things you're saying. Of the

578
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: things that Charlie Kirk used to say, it's not easy

579
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Speaker 2: to be trans in America.

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Speaker 3: If you can't accept that and you're saying hate that

581
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Speaker 3: it's an empirical fact that a lot of these people

582
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Speaker 3: are very mentally troubled. That doesn't mean that I'm saying

583
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Speaker 3: that they should not exist or they should be killed.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say anything.

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Speaker 4: I didn't.

586
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Speaker 1: It's a very reasonable passition.

587
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Speaker 2: I didn't say that you did trans people as like

588
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: there's something mentally wrong.

589
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Speaker 1: With them, and I think many cases maybe.

590
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Speaker 2: But also you have to realize that if you are

591
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Speaker 2: a transgender person in modern day America, it is a

592
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Speaker 2: not It is not an easy experience.

593
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Speaker 1: So it makes you in New York City trans you're

594
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Speaker 1: going to be celebrated.

595
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Speaker 2: Living reality, Yes, living reality. And look at what Donald

596
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: Trump says, look at what's coming down from the federal government.

597
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if you have any trans

598
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: people in your life, but I do, and I can

599
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: tell you that they feel like half the country does

600
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: hate them and wants them dead. It's not an easy

601
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Speaker 2: thing to live with. So you know, no one should

602
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: be surprised that, Yeah, there's higher levels of like mental

603
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: illness and depression that comes along with that. I don't

604
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Speaker 2: that's not to deny that there may be some that

605
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: you know they're transgender is an expression, but like, how

606
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: do you disentangle these things?

607
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Speaker 3: I mean, you look at social contagion where the vast

608
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: majority of this is largely social contagion and mental illness.

609
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's just empirically true, and it's one of

610
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: those where not in disarectly yes it is transgenders and

611
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: went up twenty five percent in a decade because of

612
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Speaker 3: social contagion or because people were quote legitimately trans Like,

613
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: come on, like, that's all. This is what I think

614
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 3: about the Internet and this accepted using and basically structure mental.

615
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: I only not deny that there is some level of

616
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: like you know that part of it is a social phenomenon, Okay,

617
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to put that off the table. Part

618
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: of it is also that people for the first time

619
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: feel like there is some level now is not nearly enough,

620
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: but some sense of like I can be myself, I

621
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Speaker 2: can there is you know, more of a community that's

622
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Speaker 2: more open. And yes, the Internet allows them to connect

623
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Speaker 2: themselves with other people who are like them, and so

624
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: you know, to like, I just I don't I'm not

625
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: sure why we went down this rabbit hole. But I

626
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 2: just want to say, Tyler Robinson is not trans. He

627
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: you know, the trans romantic partner reportedly accordingly around nothing

628
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: to do with this, and so I'm not sure why

629
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Speaker 2: like trans people are being thrown under the bus here

630
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: because if anything, the way that's being you know, the

631
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: story that's coming from the government is that the trans

632
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: person here was like actively shocked by this, had nothing

633
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: to do with it, and it's cooperating with What I'm.

634
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Speaker 3: Trying to say is that it is part of a

635
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: broader social problem. And I'm not saying that Tyler Robinson

636
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: is trans. I'm not even making this necessarily about Tyler

637
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Speaker 3: Robinson because the Minneapolis shooter, Nashville, all of this stuff

638
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: has to come together for a serious conversation about the

639
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: fact that the Internet is literally poisoning people and enabling

640
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: mental illness at fast areas. And by the way, for

641
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: anybody who thinks I'm quote transphobic with these remarks, go

642
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: ahead roll the tape about what I said about schitzo schizophrenia.

643
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: Schizophrenics are like compared to gen pop, are so much

644
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: more likely to commit violent crime. You can apply my

645
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 3: exact language about schizophrenia to transgenderism, gender ideology, et cetera.

646
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: What I object to is a broader conversation like Ken.

647
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: For example, I thought, frankly, no offense. Ken. I thought

648
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 3: your article was outrageous and ridiculous because you said. What

649
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: Ken said was that it was like transgender people are

650
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: going to be classified as terrorists. No, what is said

651
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 3: is that a specific type of quote gender ideology extremism

652
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Speaker 3: will be classified under nihilistic violent extremists. That is an

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Speaker 3: entirely appropriate thing in the world of Minneapolis, and in

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Speaker 3: the world of Nashville, and in particularly in quote gender

655
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Speaker 3: ideologists and gender ideologically.

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Speaker 2: In Minneapolis, the person being trans had nothing to do

657
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Speaker 2: with anything. Okay, well I think it like some part

658
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Speaker 2: of some weird online new and not so okay.

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Speaker 3: But oh, you think the the schizophere, You think that

660
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Speaker 3: the mental illness that just happened to a company becoming

661
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Speaker 3: transgender ed nothing. This is what I'm saying, Like it

662
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Speaker 3: does have something to do with something. It's just that

663
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Speaker 3: people want to deny that reality.

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Speaker 10: And this is.

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Speaker 2: Again, then let's let's have a category for white men extremists.

666
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think you want to go down

667
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Speaker 3: that right again. Considering where demographics of crime break down

668
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Speaker 3: in this country.

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Speaker 2: I think you're seeing things you want, like through a

670
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Speaker 2: lens of your ideology and what you want to see,

671
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: especially given that what you can point to, you know,

672
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Speaker 2: one person who happened to be trans in Minneapolis, who

673
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: had all kinds of weird Internet stuff and neo Nazism

674
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Speaker 2: and whatever, there's no indication they murdered because of their

675
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: transgender ideology. Tyler Robinson is not trans, like, there's nothing

676
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Speaker 2: illegal about having a transgender relationship.

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Speaker 4: And we know very little actually.

678
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Speaker 2: About Tyler Robinson and what he was, where he was,

679
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Speaker 2: and what he was doing and how he's spending his days,

680
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Speaker 2: et cetera.

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Speaker 3: In the case of the Ukrainian girl who gets her

682
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Speaker 3: neck cut open by the schizophrenic and he says, I

683
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: got that white B word. Well, now what does that mean.

684
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Speaker 3: Do we think that's a racist attack or schizophrenic attack.

685
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 3: It's downstream of what schizophrenia, so we can say it's

686
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Speaker 3: obviously downstream of mental illness. The fact is is that

687
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Speaker 3: if you look at the mental illness rates, depression rates,

688
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: and so much more in you know, amongst transgender and

689
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Speaker 3: gender ideology, and also apparently that Robinson can become so

690
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Speaker 3: caught up in all this he literally wants to murder

691
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Speaker 3: someone else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we should have a conversation about that.

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Speaker 3: And you know a final thing here, there's this, always

694
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Speaker 3: this word transgender people thrown under the bus.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 3: Because if it's about reasonable stuff like banning puberty blockers

697
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Speaker 3: for children under the age of eighteen, I think that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: That is an extremist policy.

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Speaker 2: What about But what I would mean, you know, what

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Speaker 2: I would say is the way that this conversation started

701
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Speaker 2: on on you know, what's appropriate for kids, what's appropriate?

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Speaker 4: What do we do in sports?

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Speaker 9: Like?

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Speaker 2: That's one thing, But very quickly you now have just

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Speaker 2: all down attack on trans people.

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Speaker 4: Coming directly from this government.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: It means outright discrimination against trans people like, for example,

709
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Speaker 2: not being able to change your gender on your passport,

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Speaker 2: for example, increasing laws laws around the country that are

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Speaker 2: that are making it difficult even to have health care,

712
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Speaker 2: you know, gender affirming healthcare for It's not I thought

713
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Speaker 2: you didn't hate trans people. Trans people, it's fine. I

714
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Speaker 2: thought they could live their lives. And what's your Well,

715
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Speaker 2: then you should be talking on against these laws too.

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Speaker 3: Well, First, of all. No, the laws on the books

717
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: are not banning adults. What they're doing is they're banning

718
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Speaker 3: it for children.

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Speaker 1: No, that is not true.

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Speaker 2: What's going on in Florida as one example, they are

721
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Speaker 2: making it nearly impossible for adults to seek gender affirming care.

722
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Speaker 4: So you want to live in reality.

723
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Speaker 2: Tell me what this administration thinks about transgenderal Oh, they

724
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: love transgender adults. No, no, No, that's why trans people

725
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Speaker 2: in this country feel that they are under attack by

726
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Speaker 2: this administration.

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Speaker 4: Look at how in the.

728
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Speaker 2: Military trans people were not only not only not allowed

729
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Speaker 2: to serve, but if they did serve and.

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Speaker 4: They earned a pension, they're having their.

731
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Speaker 1: Pension take I think that's justting, I agree.

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Speaker 2: So to pretend like there isn't an attack on transgender adults,

733
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Speaker 2: putting aside you know how you feel about kids, which

734
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Speaker 2: I agree is a fraud topic and a difficult one

735
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Speaker 2: to parse through. There is no doubt that they're under

736
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Speaker 2: attack and that this administration wants to use this murder

737
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Speaker 2: and you know, the Minneapolis Wan or whatever else they

738
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Speaker 2: can cobble together to further target and surveil transgender individuals

739
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Speaker 2: and paint them like they're murderous, mentally ill extremists.

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Speaker 1: I think I think the nuance needs to come back.

741
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Speaker 3: Like, look, I know you're going to object to this,

742
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 3: but the transgender and the military thing, It's like, listen,

743
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Speaker 3: if we're going to talk about mental illness, would you

744
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Speaker 3: allow us gizophrenic or somebody else like that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying all transend, but.

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Speaker 2: All transgender people like there's something wrong with them and

747
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Speaker 2: they're mentally ill. And then in another breath you'll say, oh,

748
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Speaker 2: but I love all transgen I'm not judging. I'm not transphobic.

749
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Speaker 1: I'm not I don't love trans people or hate true

750
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Speaker 1: you just.

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Speaker 4: Think they're all mentally ill and need to be kicked

752
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Speaker 4: down of the place.

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Speaker 3: I think that mental illness is pervading a lot of

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Speaker 3: the quote trends and gender ideology conversation, and I wish

755
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: that we were able to talk about that seriously without

756
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: frankly like immense amounts of social pressure. And that's part

757
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Speaker 3: of the I mean, look, this gets to like why

758
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Speaker 3: we are where we are today, why Trump is even present,

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Speaker 3: why any of this is even being allowed in I

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Speaker 3: polite society. The pension thing, I agree, it's disgusting, Okay, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I would never agree to that.

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Speaker 3: In terms of adults being able to do what they

763
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Speaker 3: want to do, I support that now of course, though

764
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Speaker 3: the conversation is also important in terms of money, insurance, availability,

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Speaker 3: permission structure.

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Speaker 1: This is like abortion.

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Speaker 3: I mean when people it's like when Republicans or Democrats,

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Speaker 3: for example, say around abortion and they want to talk about,

769
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Speaker 3: you know, a third trimester abortion versus late trimester abortion,

770
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Speaker 3: but they lump all of those things together. I think

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Speaker 3: we can all recognize there's a nuance in between late trimester,

772
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Speaker 3: six week abortion and like seventh trimester, right, because that's

773
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Speaker 3: the point is if you try to loop it all together,

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Speaker 3: which a lot of Republicans do when they make the

775
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Speaker 3: pro life talking point, it's viewed as disingenuous.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a similar way.

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Speaker 3: And look, it's a hot topic, and I don't really

778
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Speaker 3: know why it's so religiously like baked into like left

779
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Speaker 3: wing current ideology.

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Speaker 1: I genuinely don't get it.

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Speaker 3: But one of the things that is clear to me

782
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Speaker 3: is that these sacred cows or whatever, actually in the

783
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Speaker 3: midst of all of this social chaos with the internet

784
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: have to be discussed. That's really my only point, and

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Speaker 3: I think also, you know, objecting Ken's reporting, for example,

786
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Speaker 3: by saying, objecting to the fact that you can't classify

787
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Speaker 3: gender ideology extremists without quote declaring war on trans people ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I absolutely I think I think it was

789
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Speaker 2: a different group. You would see the you would see

790
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Speaker 2: it differently because we know about the way that the

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Speaker 2: government abuses these like domestic extremists categories. Okay, so even

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Speaker 2: if you know, like Ken's headline seemed to imply all

793
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Speaker 2: trans people were going to be like demail and that

794
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: was bullshit, it was right, but we do know the

795
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Speaker 2: reality of the way that if you have one of these,

796
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Speaker 2: you know, domestic extremist categorizations, that the government will then

797
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Speaker 2: use that as justification to surveil, like, you know, any

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Speaker 2: sort of trans related group or any sort of you know,

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Speaker 2: anything that is related to that, and it will be

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Speaker 2: applied much more broadly than would actually be appropriate for

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Speaker 2: people who are like truly radicalized by that ideology. And

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Speaker 2: I think that, I mean, I think you would agree

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Speaker 2: with that that there's an abuse of these terms, and

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00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: that that's the fear is that this is going to

805
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: be a broadening expansion more broadly, not just for people

806
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: who like are truly you know, trans extremist, radicalized or

807
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: whatever that's going to be applied too broadly in a

808
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Speaker 2: way that is oppressive and is you know, against the

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Speaker 2: rights of these things. And as a group that I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think you have to acknowledge like it is a

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Speaker 2: group that definitely feels and in reality is under tack

812
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 2: and has been has been otherized by this administration.

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Speaker 4: And made to be scapegoats and part.

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Speaker 2: Of this group of like you know, like Steven biller

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Speaker 2: Worth the good ones and they're the evil ones and whatever.

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Speaker 2: This administration's mo O is to create categories of groups

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Speaker 2: who fall either on the like true American good side

818
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Speaker 2: or on the bad side. And there's no doubt that

819
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Speaker 2: they put the trans people in, like you know, the

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Speaker 2: evil scapegoats just.

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Speaker 1: Not ready to go there. I don't think that's true

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Speaker 1: because I just think like if you're.

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Speaker 3: Again, you know, they by the way, with the transit,

824
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Speaker 3: I mean, but you know, with the trans people, the

825
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 3: trans community, the transactivists and all those people, they're going

826
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Speaker 3: to call.

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Speaker 1: Me a Nazi for everything I just said.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what, that's why I don't even

829
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Speaker 3: going to take you people seriously to six year old hormone.

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Speaker 2: React to them like react to don't imagine. Let's like

831
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Speaker 2: deal with the argument them. Deal with the argument at hand,

832
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Speaker 2: which is, you know, I think to use Tyler Robinson,

833
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 2: who against not even trans, to justify this targeting more

834
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Speaker 2: broadly of trans people by the government, I think that's wrong.

835
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Speaker 2: I think it is a factual. I don't think that

836
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Speaker 2: there is you know, any reality to it. And in

837
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Speaker 2: any case, we can, oh, if you have a last

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Speaker 2: last day.

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Speaker 3: On it's entirely appropriate to treat quote gender ideology extremism

840
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Speaker 3: as a subcategory.

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Speaker 1: It is not a war on trans people. You are

842
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Speaker 1: not a special class of citizen.

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Speaker 3: If there's a higher rate of mental illness and or

844
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Speaker 3: violence or particular like you're talking about white men, it's like, well,

845
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Speaker 3: if you look at the demograptic of the country, but

846
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Speaker 3: white men can be grouped in very specifically to the

847
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Speaker 3: school shooter manifesto, you know, category, and we can talk

848
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Speaker 3: about that publicly with no.

849
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Speaker 1: Shame or fear.

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Speaker 3: Well, then I'm sorry, you get to be treated like

851
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Speaker 3: everybody else, which is apparently what you want. So I

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Speaker 3: don't I just I think broadly this conversation it has

853
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: ignited in me like I maybe I'm trying to find

854
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: like a secular morality police. Maybe maybe that's a fool's errand,

855
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Speaker 3: but we need to bring it back. I just that's

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Speaker 3: my main takeaway from this entire The Internet is poisoned.

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Speaker 4: They're doing it in Utah.

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Speaker 1: No, they're not not nearly enough. They are, that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: They're not doing it nearly in the mall.

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Speaker 4: Town in Utah. I'm sure you feeling that that's not

861
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Speaker 4: so secular morality.

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Speaker 3: If you get their asses off the Internet, then maybe

863
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: maybe none of this would happen. Okay, turning down to

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Speaker 3: Cash Patel and some of the questions about the Charlie

865
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Speaker 3: Kirk assassination. Our whole debate was predicated that we know everything.

866
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Speaker 3: But to be honest, you know this, I'm not so sure.

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Speaker 3: So let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: I got to be honest. This is one of the

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Speaker 3: craziest things I've ever seen from an FBI director. And

870
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: the reason why is, in some ways it legitimates many

871
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: of the quote conspiracy theories around the assassination and actually

872
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: makes me think, Wow, the fact that they're talking like

873
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: this means some of this shit may be true. So

874
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: let me keep it up there, guys, so I can

875
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 3: read from it quote. As the Director of the FBI,

876
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,959
Speaker 3: I am committed to ensuring the investigation into Charlie Kirk's

877
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: assassination is thorough and exhaustive, pursuing every lead to its conclusion.

878
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: The full weight of America's law enforcement agencies are actively

879
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: following the evidence that has emerged, but our efforts extend

880
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 3: beyond initial findings. We are examining every facet of this assassination.

881
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 3: We are meticulously investigating theories and questions, including the location

882
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: from where the shot was taken, the possibility of accomplices,

883
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: the text message confession and related conversations, discord chats, the

884
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: angle of the shot and bullet impact, how the weapon

885
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 3: was transported, hand gestures observed as potential signals near Charlie

886
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 3: at the time of his assassination, and visitors to the

887
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: alleged Shutter residence in the hours and days leading up

888
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: to September ten. So he lays out every single question

889
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: that has been raised, basically with some currency on the Internet.

890
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: Then he goes on some details are known today, while

891
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: others are being pursued to ensure every possibility is considered.

892
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 3: Our primary focus is to complete this investigation and deliver justice.

893
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 3: To protect the integrity of the investigation and subsequent prosecution,

894
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: we cannot release every piece of information we have to

895
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 3: the public right now. We will ensure every question is

896
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: addressed at the appropriate moment. Regarding specific details, such as

897
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: questions about the plane that allegedly turned off at transpend

898
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: after departing from the airport assassination site, we can share

899
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: updates when the answers are confirmed. After interviews with the

900
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: pilot consultation with the FAA, we determined transporder was not

901
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 3: turned off incomplete flight data in rural areas caused the

902
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: apparent gap. The entire FBI mourns the loss of Charlie Kirk.

903
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: Will not rest until justice is served, and our investigation

904
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 3: into this assassination will continue until every question is answered.

905
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: And the fact that he laid out every single one

906
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 3: of those did not dispute any of them, effectively gives

907
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: them currency and like I said, legitimates it. And the

908
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 3: only one that he can potentially strike down is this

909
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 3: one about the plane in the FAA, which by the way,

910
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 3: was known within I don't.

911
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: Know hours after the assassination.

912
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 3: I saw an aviation expert hours after just come out

913
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 3: and be like, guys, it's a typical area. The transponder

914
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: wasn't off. It's just that this is like one particular

915
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: airspace where it will go out.

916
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: Every once in a while.

917
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 3: It's don't read too much into it as a result.

918
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: So I don't know what did you think, Because there's

919
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: two options. One is, this guy is so chronically online.

920
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 3: He wants to ensure that the internet doesn't turn against him,

921
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: so he's going to list out every single thing and

922
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 3: try to take it seriously and I guess slowly try

923
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 3: to dispel.

924
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: It in the future.

925
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: But the counter is like, Okay, if these are so

926
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: legitimate that the FBI is actually investigating it, that really

927
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 3: makes my eyebrows raise, especially because if look, Robinson as

928
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 3: of right now is not cooperating with authorities, right, so

929
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: presumably he may plead not guilty. Well couldn't you use

930
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 3: that tweet at trial that too, and being like, hey,

931
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,479
Speaker 3: look at all of these legitimate questions raised here about

932
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 3: from the defense on the defense from the FBI director,

933
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: and now all of that you know, by the way,

934
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: the FBI will have to make sure that they meticulously

935
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 3: go through like he claims, and actually provide an explanation

936
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 3: for each one of those, so that Robinson's defense cannot

937
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: present that to a jury at trial. Presumably where if

938
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 3: it goes that direction, we don't know yet. So yeah,

939
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: I thought it was insane. It's basically crazy, no matter.

940
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 2: I absolutely insane. I mean, I think it definitely has

941
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: to do with like cash. Mattel is an Internet influencer,

942
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: Like that's what he actually is, and so he's seeing

943
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: all of these theories floating, and he already knows that

944
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 2: people hate him because of how he handled the Epstein stuff,

945
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 2: and he also won't want to catch any more heat

946
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: from his like listen and viewing audience, so he's trying. Oh, guys, like,

947
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: I'm totally I'm with you on the conspiracies. I'm looking

948
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: into it, I'm on it. I think that's probably a

949
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 2: lot of what's going on. But to your point, like, dude,

950
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 2: we already have a charging document for Tyler Robinson laid out.

951
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: The government has laid out a quite complete, a specific

952
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: theory of the case, and it does not involve like, oh,

953
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: maybe the shot was taken somewhere else, maybe there were

954
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: accomploses maybe there was you know, maybe these text message,

955
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: Like he even seems to allude to the text message

956
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 2: as being fake, which is like, this is your evidence.

957
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 2: So he's undercutting dramatically the government's story of what happened

958
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: on that day, and it's crazy. Another one, he mentions

959
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 2: here how the weapon was transported. Again, we're being told

960
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: from the government, like, here's how the weapon was transported,

961
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: here's what the weapon was, here's where the shot was

962
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: taken from. And now the FBI director is saying, well, actually,

963
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: we're not really too sure about any of this. Yeah,

964
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: it's manna from heaven for Tyler Robinson's defense team. There's

965
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: no doubt about And it's completely insane, Like, dude, you're

966
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: not an influencer already, poor you are the government.

967
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 4: You are in the deep state, Like that's who you are.

968
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: Now you have asserted a very specific theory of the case,

969
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: and now you're going in and saying, well, we don't

970
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: really know, we're still looking into it.

971
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 4: We'll get back to you. Crazy stuff, Absolutely crazy.

972
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 3: Fits also with this next part here, let's put it

973
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: up here on the screen. There's a new claim from

974
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: the surgeon actually who operated on Charlie in the immediate

975
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 3: aftermath of his killing, where they say, quote Charlie Kirk's

976
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 3: body stopped a bullet that would typically quote just go

977
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: through everything, and it was quote an absolute miracle that

978
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 3: nobody else was killed. His surgeon told TPUSA. So, by

979
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: the way, this is secondhand information. It's from TPUSA about

980
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 3: the bullet. There have been some questions about the bullet

981
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 3: and whether it would have passed through Charlie.

982
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm generally open, you know, giving bene.

983
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 3: I don't see there's a reason TPUSA or the surgeon

984
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 3: would lie about the situation. But it's just that when

985
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: you put the totality, you know, in the fact that

986
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: Cash legitimated it, and then it's a question here, it

987
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 3: just seems all a bit odd. I almost think in

988
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 3: that case, it's like it would have been better to

989
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: just like in a way, there's too much transparency right now,

990
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 3: you know, from the TV and Cash and all of

991
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 3: them us like, well, they're like every single claim ever made,

992
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 3: whether Charlie made one hundred and fifty million dollars from

993
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 3: Netta Na who it was offered that or something.

994
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: It's like, guys, you know, in a certain way, That's

995
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: why I just I.

996
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 3: Really felt crushed for Erica Kirk because she apparently is

997
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 3: going to give an interview soon addressing all, yeah.

998
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: Muld this lady be please please.

999
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, I just think or for her,

1000
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: Like nobody's saying that she had to come out and

1001
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 3: do it, but the fact that she feels compelled to.

1002
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: I have complicated feelings about it, like I just want this.

1003
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 3: I want this woman to have peace. She seems like

1004
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 3: such a wonderful soul, you know, her and her kids.

1005
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: Like, I just I don't know.

1006
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 3: I I think it's it's not good that this amount apparently,

1007
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: you know, TPUSA people, this was a report.

1008
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not I'm not going to say it.

1009
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 3: But my point is just that I think TPUSA people

1010
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: are getting hounded about this. I mean, they just lost

1011
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 3: their leader, you know, their friend in a lot of cases,

1012
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 3: so it's it's difficult.

1013
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this information from the surgeon originally came from

1014
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: the EP of the Charlie Kirk Show. Answered colvit is

1015
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: that how you last name? And I mean they're just look,

1016
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 2: they are asking the public to believe a lot. I mean,

1017
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 2: even Cash apparently recognizes that there's a lot that they're

1018
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: asking the public to believe. And this is one of

1019
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: the things that is extraordinary. You know, if if true

1020
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: that the surgeon said that Charlie's bone was so healthy

1021
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: and the density was so impressive, he's like the man

1022
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: of steel. It should have just gone through and through

1023
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: it likely would have killed those standing behind him too.

1024
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: In the end, the coroner did find the bullet just

1025
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 2: beneath the skin. Even in death, Charlie managed to save

1026
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: the lives of those around him. More remarkable, miraculous. And

1027
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know anything about like the kind

1028
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 2: of bullets or whatever. I know people are looking at that,

1029
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: who do know something are skeptical of this claim. And

1030
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: the other piece that's you know again it's like where

1031
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: was this information previously, because previously it seemed like.

1032
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 4: They didn't have the bullet, and.

1033
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 2: Now you know, here we are a number of days

1034
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: later and they're like, oh, no, we do have the bullet.

1035
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 4: It's beneath his skin.

1036
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: It's just like, miraculously, he's the man of steel, so

1037
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: it didn't go through.

1038
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 4: Maybe, but it's again, you're you're asking people to accept

1039
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 4: a lot here.

1040
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 3: The other reason why is that may not have even

1041
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 3: been the explanation. That may have been what the surgeon

1042
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: told TPUSA. And then let's say something else comes out

1043
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 3: at trial. Then people will be like, wait, but you

1044
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 3: say that this right.

1045
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. There's almost too much right now.

1046
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 3: About people who are coming out, and I mean, look,

1047
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 3: we do have to be on there's a lot of

1048
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 3: weird stuff. It remains even with the official narrative with this.

1049
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 3: By the way, the outfit change, it seems to have

1050
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 3: been valid. It cand just released that photo of Robinson

1051
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: at Dairy Queen like eighteen minutes after he shot Charlie Kirk.

1052
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 4: No, it was ours, Sorry, sorry, yeah it was.

1053
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: It was like it's thirty after Kirk had been shot,

1054
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: somewhere in the new and out.

1055
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 3: Oh no, he apparently changed, That's what it was. But

1056
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: he was in that different outfit you know, in that

1057
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: photo which psychotic.

1058
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: Well, he was in a mix of the two outfits. Yeah,

1059
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: he was in the maroon shirt and the black pants.

1060
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 4: That's yeah.

1061
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I mean I'm not even I

1062
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: can't even say for sure that that photo is real,

1063
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 2: So you know, it's possible. From another day it looked

1064
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 2: like him. It could be Ai, it could be from

1065
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: another day. I don't really know, but you know she's

1066
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: said it is. But Kandice is not also like a

1067
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: traditional journalist.

1068
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: Yes, that's fair, all right, last thing we'll put up here.

1069
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 3: This was a final thing report from the New York Post,

1070
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: which actually kind of makes sense if you take Robinson's

1071
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 3: text to be real. It said that the gun that

1072
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 3: killed Kirk is quote a World War One era rifle

1073
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,479
Speaker 3: that may be untraceable. What they describe in his text,

1074
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 3: Robinson called it Grandpa's rifle, in that it's a decade

1075
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: old German made gun that was used in both world Wars.

1076
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 3: But I can think the point around it was it

1077
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 3: may be that he actually did select the rifle, either

1078
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 3: because of the serial number.

1079
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 1: By the way, they're saying.

1080
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 3: Maybe untraceable because we don't know the official model or

1081
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 3: anything that of the weapon, and we still by the way,

1082
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 3: one reason why I'm inclined to take this more seriously

1083
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 3: is remember they had the rifle very early in the

1084
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 3: investigation the day of, but they didn't have Robinson very early.

1085
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 3: Whereas if it was traceable or if it was easily

1086
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 3: connected to the person who bought it the grandpa.

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00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: That's not that difficult.

1088
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 3: Be like, oh, okay, this person family tree boom from

1089
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 3: public records, Tyler Robinson.

1090
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: That's an easy way to go there.

1091
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: Until Robinson turned himself in after his father basically turned

1092
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 3: used him or it forced him to. With the sheriff

1093
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 3: or whatever that was their family friends with they were

1094
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 3: nowhere the night before Robinson was caught. They literally were

1095
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: nowhere according to law enforcement. So I'm inclined to take

1096
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 3: this a little bit seriously, which is part of what

1097
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 3: makes it weird, because the thing is with Robinson is again,

1098
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 3: if you accept that the texts are in some way real,

1099
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: which I do think they are real, maybe that, you know,

1100
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: is cringe of me, but I just not quite at

1101
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: the point where I think we're fabricating stuff in core

1102
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 3: documents that are eventually going to go to trial.

1103
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 1: Just me have too much faith in the system.

1104
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 4: Okash is investigating it.

1105
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, I mean, think about that.

1106
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 3: That means like all of America's jurisprudence is fake, including

1107
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 3: the State of Utah.

1108
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe it's definitely possible.

1109
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 3: But if we accept they're real, he did want to

1110
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 3: get away with it. Which is like, why did he

1111
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 3: turn himself in at the end of the day, I

1112
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 3: mean went to great lengths you know from those text mesters.

1113
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 3: Maybe he was planned, you know, you know, in terms

1114
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 3: of the weird rhetoric and vernacular that he used, which

1115
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 3: we talked about previously on the show.

1116
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: So there is still a lot of weird stuff.

1117
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 3: And if you are conspiracy theorists on this, I don't

1118
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 3: blame you, because the way the government has handled has

1119
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 3: been disastered.

1120
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have no reason I believe this government, especially

1121
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 2: led by Cash Mattel, who, as I've said before, is

1122
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: not only political operatic, but he is also incompetent fool.

1123
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 2: So there are any number of reasons why you should,

1124
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: you know, be skeptical of the claims here.

1125
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 4: And I don't even think, like, I don't.

1126
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 2: Think it's even to call you conspiracy theorists at this point.

1127
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: If you're looking into some of these holes, that's like

1128
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: the job, I mean, I think that's part of the

1129
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 2: job of a journalist rightly, is to not just take

1130
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: it face value the government's claims, to say, Okay, well

1131
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: these pieces don't really add up.

1132
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 4: What have you got for me there?

1133
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: How did he transfer the guy, why don't we see

1134
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 2: it in any of these photos? You know, those sorts

1135
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: of things I think are all like reasonable and non

1136
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 2: consideratorial questions to ask.

1137
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: I'll get you an example. Yeah, you all day the

1138
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: first twenty four hours, you all day cops are a hero.

1139
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: The timeline.

1140
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 3: You know, we were some of the first people to

1141
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 3: do this. Yeah, you're putting the timeline together. You're like, wait,

1142
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 3: the shooting started like this time and they didn't kill

1143
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 3: him hours later?

1144
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: Has that happened? You're like, so are we understanding?

1145
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 3: And then the mom's story, Remember the mom with the

1146
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 3: time to get in the car and drive all the

1147
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: way there and get her kid out and take her

1148
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: out all before this stop, like that only happened because

1149
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 3: of very critical reporting. I mean, maybe it would have

1150
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 3: eventually come out, but I'm not so sure actually, because

1151
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: it took a lot of pressure on the Texas Department

1152
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 3: of Public Safety and you've all d APD and all

1153
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 3: that before the full story was eventually and then by

1154
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: that time, you know, that's a whole different picture, especially

1155
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 3: with Governor Abbott his initial press conference and giving all

1156
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 3: the credit to you know, the initial responses.

1157
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: Like that is not what happens.

1158
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good flag. You shouldn't believe it because

1159
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: a lot of times I do lie and it did happen.

1160
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 3: All right, let's get over to Jimmy Kimmel, shall we.

1161
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 3: Let's get to the Jimmy Kimmel situation. Some escalating stuff

1162
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 3: here from Donald Trump around the term free speech.

1163
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.

1164
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 6: I think it's very sad, but I think that reporting

1165
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 6: has to be at least accurate, at least accurate to

1166
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 6: an extent. Again, when somebody is given ninety seven percent

1167
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 6: of the stories a bad about a person, that's no

1168
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 6: longer free speech. That's no longer that's just cheating.

1169
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: And they cheat, that's no longer free speech.

1170
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 3: He also, in an interview was asked about Charlie who

1171
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 3: believed in free speech, and he was like, well, I'm

1172
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 3: not sure that he believes it now. So yeah, really

1173
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 3: classy stuff there from the President. But it does actually

1174
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 3: make an interesting question about how the Republicans are responding

1175
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 3: to this moment after Jimmy Kimmel. And for a recap,

1176
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 3: if anybody that doesn't know, at this point, we have

1177
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 3: the FCC Commissioner hours before going on the Benny Johnson

1178
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 3: Show saying quote.

1179
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: We can do this the easy way or the hard way.

1180
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 3: Before a merger was up for some ABC affiliates which

1181
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 3: are owned by Next Star, and in that moment, that's

1182
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 3: when Jimmy Kimmel's show is indefinitely suspended by ABC Disney.

1183
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: It's an open question.

1184
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 3: There's been some quote, you know, cope being like ABC

1185
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 3: was going to indefinitely suspend him anyways, some in person

1186
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 3: report or some in depth reporting from the Hollywood Reporter

1187
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 3: basically says that Kimmel was going to go on his

1188
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 3: show and say screw you to his MAGA critics the

1189
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 3: day before, which factored into ABC's decision. So of course,

1190
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 3: if it was just a business decision, then you know,

1191
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 3: it's a little bit different of a free speech conversation.

1192
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 3: But I do think the very fact that the FCC

1193
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 3: commissioner said, quote, we can do this the easy way

1194
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 3: or the hard way, it's kind of an open and

1195
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 3: shut case, right because you know, you can't deny that

1196
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 3: that's going to be in your head. You know, as

1197
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 3: people who run businesses, if we got threatened by the

1198
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: government and then there also was like a legitimate business reason,

1199
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it'd be pretty convenient to do the legitimate

1200
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: business reason, whereas maybe you would have thought about it

1201
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 3: a little bit differently. You just can't deny that it

1202
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 3: wasn't in the heads of Bob Iiger and of the

1203
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 3: CEO of Disney, on top of all of the affiliates,

1204
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 3: who again like they need let's say, even if Brendan

1205
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 3: Carr didn't say you have to take him off the air,

1206
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 3: they're like, well, we still want to be on his

1207
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 3: good side because we need our damn merger to go

1208
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 3: through it where they literally have to change their own rules.

1209
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: So that's what I was.

1210
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Brennan Carr not only said we can do

1211
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: this the easyware the hard way, but also specifically shouted

1212
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: out on the affiliates and you know, so they need

1213
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: to look at what they're doing and whether they should

1214
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 2: preempt the show, and then next Our Folds and then

1215
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: Disney Folds, And the reporting from inside of Disney of

1216
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 2: Disney was that what they didn't actually feel like Kimmel

1217
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 2: said anything that was particularly wrong or over the line.

1218
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: The thing that caused them to make the decision that

1219
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: they did was the pressure from the government. So in

1220
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: terms of that, it seems it seems pretty clear cut.

1221
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: And then you also have Trump had already you know,

1222
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: after Colbert Get's cancer, then he had already threatened Jimmy Kimmel.

1223
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: He's now threatening the other late night host. They've also

1224
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: Brennan carrs come out and it's threatening the view. The

1225
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: View was too terrified to say anything about any of

1226
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: this on their show, which is pathetic. We have to

1227
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 2: say on their show on Thursday, I guess was when

1228
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: this all was going down, so you know they're clearly

1229
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: feeling the heat.

1230
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: Well, silencing the View is one where I'm not going

1231
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: to speak.

1232
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 4: Out for I have to keep your little saga. We

1233
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 4: have to keep our principles.

1234
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: But in any case, I don't know, we get a

1235
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: lot of content, enjoyment, and creation off of the views.

1236
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 4: Careful for what you what you wish for in any case.

1237
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: I think that's an example though, of how it's not

1238
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 2: just about the direct people who are targeted. It's meant

1239
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 2: to put a chill in everyone who's a comedian, any

1240
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 2: sort of critic, any sort of you know, podcaster, journalist,

1241
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: et cetera, so that they are thinking twice because they

1242
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: know their corporate bosses are not going to stand up

1243
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 2: for them. They're going to cave because every single time

1244
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 2: they have caved. So that's part of what we're talking about.

1245
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 3: I don't know if again, everyone keeps going after the corporations,

1246
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 3: like what are you supposed to do?

1247
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 1: You're supposed to make money?

1248
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 3: Like you know, at a certain point, like you think

1249
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 3: ABC Disney ever cared about journalism it was a money

1250
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 3: making endeavor.

1251
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: Well, if they ever had so confusion about that, there

1252
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: is no longer any confusion about that whatsoever.

1253
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 3: Well, I want that to be baked in for everybody.

1254
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 3: It's like, what, oh, CNBC cares a lot about business journalism.

1255
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

1256
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 3: It's definitely not about a tool of you know, Wall

1257
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 3: Street and the financiers to control the market.

1258
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: It's always been that way.

1259
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 3: It's just I guess it's now out in the open,

1260
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 3: which I appreciate, you know, in the Marxian, you know,

1261
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 3: heightened the contradictions. Since let's take a listen then, though,

1262
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 3: to Ted Cruz, who heavily criticized Brendan Carr and the

1263
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: Trump ad ministry on this, let's take a lesson.

1264
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 11: I like Brendan Carr. He's a good guy, he's the

1265
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 11: chairman of the FCC. I work closely with him. But

1266
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 11: what he said there is dangerous as hell.

1267
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,439
Speaker 12: H for hold on for people that are listening, because

1268
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 12: this is going to be quote controversial. So I want

1269
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 12: to make sure we explain it clearly. When you say

1270
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 12: no and it's dangerous, explain and run this out the

1271
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 12: slippery slope that this can open, so that people understand

1272
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 12: why we're saying it.

1273
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 11: So, the Federal Communication Commission is in charge of granting

1274
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 11: broadcast licenses, so ABC, NBCCBS they have licenses from the FCC.

1275
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 11: It is true that under statute they're required to be

1276
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 11: in the public interest. What he is saying is Jimmy

1277
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 11: Kimmel was lying. That's true. He was lying, and he

1278
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 11: lying to the American people is not in the public interest.

1279
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 11: And so he threatens explicitly, we're going to cancel ABC's license.

1280
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 11: We're going to take him off the air, so ABC

1281
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 11: cannot broadcast anymore. And I I got to say, he

1282
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 11: threatens it. He says, we can do this the easy way,

1283
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 11: but we can do this the hard way. Yeah, And

1284
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 11: I got to say, that's right out of good Fellows,

1285
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 11: that that that that that's right out of a mafio.

1286
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 11: So coming into a bar going nice boy you have here,

1287
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 11: it'd be a shame of something happened to.

1288
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 3: It dangerous as hell. So, uh, what's his angle here?

1289
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 3: What's Ted Cruz's angle? Well, it's definitely non principle in

1290
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 3: terms of what we know about. We do know he

1291
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 3: has a personal relationship with Kimmel, so that could be it.

1292
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: Although yeah, I don't know. I mean, I was stunned

1293
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: by it.

1294
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 3: To be honest, I would never in a million years

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Speaker 3: I picked Ted Cruz to go off on this. Maybe

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Speaker 3: it's a twenty twenty eight play. Maybe it's uh, I

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Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe honestly, maybe it is a principal thing.

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Speaker 3: Like you know, he was like more libertarian in his

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Speaker 3: old days. This is the type of stuff he used

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Speaker 3: to hammer the Obama administration for the OG.

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Speaker 1: You know, Ted Cruz tea party guy. So it's possible.

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Speaker 2: I'll write you my theory. I think it's a combination

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Speaker 2: of two things. Number one is he knew Jimmy Kimmel personally,

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Speaker 2: so he didn't have this like animus against him that

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Speaker 2: a lot on the right day. He has some sort

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Speaker 2: of personal relationship with him, So I think that does

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Speaker 2: genuinely make it hit different when it's someone you know,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. I think the other thing is like Ted Cruz,

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Speaker 2: he said this on his own podcast, right he wants

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Speaker 2: to be cool with the podcast bros.

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Speaker 1: That could be and we're about to.

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Speaker 2: Play you you know, Tim Dillon spoke out on this.

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Speaker 2: I think he feels like, you know, he wanting to

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Speaker 2: be part of that club. That this is the place

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Speaker 2: to position yourself is my guess of what's going on here,

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Speaker 2: because that's who he wants to like, be down with

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Speaker 2: and see himself as part of the work.

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Speaker 3: I mean, one of the cultural shifts that has happened

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Speaker 3: in the last eight months is that the scolds are

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Speaker 3: no longer the libs because the Libs have been owned

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Speaker 3: literally into the sun name out of power.

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Speaker 4: You owned them, congratulations.

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Speaker 3: No, it has literally been total and complete victory, like

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Speaker 3: they're dead. And so then it's a question of do

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Speaker 3: you replace and become the skold? And so in the

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Speaker 3: world of the Jimmy Kimmel of the snowflakery of cancel culture,

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Speaker 3: which we all agreed, you know, some cancel culture we

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Speaker 3: all believe in, there should be consequences in some cases

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Speaker 3: if you're openly cheering Charlie's death. Yes, I think you

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Speaker 3: should be fired or at the very least. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to feel all that bad for you.

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Speaker 3: But if you simply repost something that's critical, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think that's definitely more in the BLM Me Too

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Speaker 3: era type of craziness where things have gone so it

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Speaker 3: becomes like this scold and the cultural domination as well

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Speaker 3: as the government action. And that's where, you know, censoriousness

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Speaker 3: is part of what fueled the liberal left of the

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Speaker 3: two thousands. Literally just old enough to kind of remember that,

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01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 3: I grew up in it. You know, these evangelicals and

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Speaker 3: this feeling that if you said anything bad about Bush, you're.

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Speaker 1: A trader, right, a trailer you hate the troops, And

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Speaker 1: it's like, no, we love the troops.

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Speaker 3: We don't want them to die abroad, right, And it's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: you can't say that, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I can't. You need to flashback president, Yeah, literally.

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Speaker 3: Flashbacks to two thousand and five here if you want it.

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Speaker 3: If you're too young, that's how insane things were. Well,

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Speaker 3: you know, we're kind of right back to that, you know,

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Speaker 3: especially in the Charlie Kirk situation. And so that's where

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Speaker 3: you know his point about this kind of like social libertarianism,

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Speaker 3: which I think was a huge, huge impact on the

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Speaker 3: Trump administration. Like and if you look at a lot

1353
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Speaker 3: of the ways that the Trump two is different than

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Speaker 3: Trump one, a lot of the liberals would say it's

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Speaker 3: more authoritarian.

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Speaker 1: I would say it's a lot more socially libertarian.

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Speaker 3: Because what people forget is that the first Trump administration

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Speaker 3: was very anti weed, right in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Now the President of the United.

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Speaker 3: States himself is like, oh, yeah, we're cool with weed.

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Speaker 3: Why because a bunch of bros used it and they

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Speaker 3: want them to vote for it. TikTok, same thing for

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Speaker 3: young people. It used to be a China thing. Now

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Speaker 3: we're just selling it for parts to you know, Murdos

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Speaker 3: and these guys and Larry Ellison and those guys. But

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Speaker 3: the broad thing that kind of fuels that is one

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Speaker 3: which is like much more trying to accommodate.

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Speaker 1: Really what Charlie was the main organizer.

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Speaker 3: For, which was like young men in particular who are

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Speaker 3: right wing, But what of this is the one thing

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Speaker 3: that we know a lot of the reason why these

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Speaker 3: young guys are right wing in the first place is

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Speaker 3: because they don't want to be scolded or told what

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Speaker 3: to think and what to do. And now the shoue

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Speaker 3: is kind of on the other foot, So in a way,

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Speaker 3: it's it's a smart bet from Ted. Now by the way,

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Speaker 3: it's smart only in the sense of like grand strategy,

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Speaker 3: like he himself will never be that vehicle both that's yeah, true.

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Speaker 2: And this is the man who wanted to be president

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Speaker 2: of the United States like since he was born, so

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Speaker 2: I don't put out that he is also trying to

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Speaker 2: like find some angle with some twenty twenty eight angle.

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Speaker 2: I also wanted to play for you some pretty extraordinary

1384
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Speaker 2: I would say from Tykob. The reason why they're really

1385
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Speaker 2: noteworthy is this guy used to be Trump's White House attorney,

1386
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 2: and he makes them pretty like I said, pretty extraordinary

1387
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Speaker 2: comments here about this crackdown on the media.

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Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think, Kristen that it's evocative of what we've

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Speaker 10: seen throughout history. I mean, in nineteen thirty nine, doctor Goebels,

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Speaker 10: at Hitler's instruction, removed five comedians or witnesses as they

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Speaker 10: were called at the time, from the airways in Germany

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Speaker 10: and for criticizing or making fun of the government in

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Speaker 10: a satire way. Putin, when he took over in nearly

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Speaker 10: two thousands, one of the first things he did with

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Speaker 10: systematically violence. Critical media outlets and independent TV channels were

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Speaker 10: bought out or shut down. You know, Trump has waging

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Speaker 10: war on people who offended. You know, he's all about vengeance,

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Speaker 10: and sadly, his subordinates, like one of the Project twenty

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Speaker 10: twenty five authors, Brandon Kerr Car of the FCC, are

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Speaker 10: following in line. And you know, perhaps the Presidential Crimes

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Speaker 10: Commission that Representative Swallowell called for recently can consider this

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Speaker 10: at the end of this administration. But these people are,

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Speaker 10: you know, abandoning our constitutional rights and our constitutional freedoms.

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Speaker 10: Even Senator Loomis today by saying, you know, she doesn't

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Speaker 10: feel like enforcing the First Amendment at this point, despite

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Speaker 10: having you know, liked it when it suited her. That's

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Speaker 10: a violation of her oath of office, where she takes

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Speaker 10: an oath to preserve and protect the Constitution. So I

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Speaker 10: think this is really tragic, and I think, as Carr

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01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 10: said yesterday, be more shoes to drop. I think we

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Speaker 10: can count on that this will be three and a

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Speaker 10: half more years of Vengeon his famous mustache.

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Speaker 2: The famous, very very iconic we'll say mustache. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the guy who used to work

1416
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 2: for Trump, and he immediately reaches for the Nazi analogy

1417
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 2: alongside of saying, this is what Putin did. And I

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01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 2: think we have to put it in the broader context,

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01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 2: which we talked about last week just briefly of we're

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01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: not just talking about Kimmel here. We're talking about a

1421
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 2: strategy of using lawsuits to basically, you know, extract like

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01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: concessions from media organizations. And we're talking about a speed

1423
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 2: run to consolidation of a bunch of media outlets in

1424
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 2: the hands of explicit Trump allies who also happened to

1425
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Speaker 2: be extremely pro Israel, specifically the Ellison family.

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Speaker 1: I would flip that around a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It all goes like it goes together, right, it all

1428
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 2: goes together.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've got you know, CBS, and then you've

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01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 2: got very likely CNN and HBO and Comedy Central, and

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Speaker 2: then you've got Meta is Zuckerberg is like, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, totally bentho Neita Trump, but is doing whatever Trump wants.

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01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 4: Elon owns Twitter.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Elon was there sitting next to Trump

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01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 2: at Charlie Kirkson memorial which was also which was also noteworthy.

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Speaker 2: And then you have go ahead, Uh, well, we want

1438
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 2: to we don't have to play the stop. But we

1439
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 2: also have TikTok. Now part of the group that is

1440
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 2: taking over TikTok includes Ruper.

1441
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Speaker 4: Murdock and effectively Fox News.

1442
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 2: So the amount of media consolidation into direct Trump ally's hands.

1443
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 2: And then you're using things like you know, this Kimmel

1444
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 2: situation and the lawsuits to put a chill through every

1445
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: other media organization.

1446
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Speaker 4: So they're afraid to be too critical.

1447
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 2: And they immediately capitulate when you, you know, when you're

1448
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,560
Speaker 2: FCC commissioner or you say something about them. It is

1449
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 2: a you know, it's a very scary development in terms

1450
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 2: of freedom of the press. And you know for those

1451
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 2: of you who are like, Okay, well that's why we

1452
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 2: have independent media, like you think, but we're safe.

1453
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?

1454
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 2: Like if they we Disney and these people, they got

1455
01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: tons of resources. Any individual, even the biggest, you know,

1456
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 2: channel that's out there, the biggest stream or the biggest

1457
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 2: channel whatever isn't doesn't come close to the amount of

1458
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 2: power and resources and you know, ability to fight back

1459
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 2: that one of these giant corporations do. So I don't

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Speaker 2: think anyone should be taking comfort in that at.

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Speaker 3: This point, Brogan's the biggest in the business and his

1462
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Speaker 3: deal is one hundred to two hundred billion or one

1463
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Speaker 3: hundred two hundred million, right, which is a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. It's like NFL money.

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Speaker 3: Well, Disney fiscal year twenty twenty five revenue was ninety

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Speaker 3: four billion, right, So and that's what there you go

1467
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Speaker 3: up against. And yeah, I think that's very you know,

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Speaker 3: an important lesson for power and for all of that.

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Speaker 3: Ari Ty Cobb, I don't know. Personal Boomer pet peeve

1470
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Speaker 3: is he starts with Gerbels and then eventually gets to

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Speaker 3: Putin and Orbon, which is in my opinion, much more analogous.

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Speaker 3: But Boomer brain is that everything has to start with

1473
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Speaker 3: World War Two. Let's go ahead, though, and start with

1474
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Speaker 3: Tim Dillon, or get to Tim Dillon, who has been

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01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 3: one of the more outspoken comedians on this Let's take

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Speaker 3: a listen.

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Speaker 13: Can't think it's a great idea that the FCC, the

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Speaker 13: chairman of the FCC goes on a podcast and goes,

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01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 13: we could do it the easy way of the hard way.

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01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 13: We can think about revoking broadcast licenses, and then pressures

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01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 13: affiliates to drop this show because this guy said something

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Speaker 13: the President of the United States doesn't like.

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Speaker 1: The President of the United.

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Speaker 13: States then also follows it up by going, hey, Seth Myers,

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Speaker 13: you know fallon Seth Myers your next I don't think

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Speaker 13: it was a particularly good thing for Jimmy Kimmel to

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Speaker 13: say this cup is maga. He wasn't maga.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it's easily correctable.

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Speaker 13: You can correct the record without destroying someone's ability to speak.

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01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:56,879
Speaker 13: Everybody thinking that Jimmy Kimmel being removed and indefinitely suspended

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Speaker 13: from ABC means that you are winning, You're a fool.

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Speaker 1: So there's Tim with his take on that.

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Speaker 3: There were similar ones the Andrew Schultz, who well as

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Speaker 3: in Australia, spoke out against it Akash thing on the

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Speaker 3: Flagrant podcast as well. Those are the ones I just

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Speaker 3: immediately off the top of my head, at least the

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Speaker 3: ones who are more interested in politics, curious to see

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Speaker 3: what Theovon and them have to say. In Rogan they

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Speaker 3: haven't commented yet, but I don't think they've had episodes

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Speaker 3: as well. It does show you and demonstrate my Ted

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01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 3: Cruz point about this is that, you know, if you

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01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 3: think the prodcast constituency is important, which I do, I

1503
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 3: didn't say it won the whole election, but it was something.

1504
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 3: It was definitely something well within that is kind of this.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you think about it, it's like that

1506
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 3: is an archetypal demographic for whom they don't want to

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01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 3: be told what to do and they don't like government overreach.

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01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 3: And one of the ways that they were annoyed with

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01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 3: Kama or Biden was, let's say, you know, pressuring the

1510
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 3: Meta or all these other people to take down what

1511
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 3: they called vaccine misinformation. Some of it was some of

1512
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 3: it was totally true, by the way, but you know

1513
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 3: that that kind of gets to the annoyance and the

1514
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 3: feeling of having rulers over you that you can't speak

1515
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 3: out against, which is a very American thing to do,

1516
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:09,759
Speaker 3: to say.

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01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: No, actually, screw you. Yeah, And that's that's the that's

1518
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: where Tim Dillon and the rest of the y Yes.

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01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I do have to get my dig in, Like,

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01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 2: I don't know why you thought that Trump was going

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01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:18,799
Speaker 2: to be some beacon of like free speech.

1522
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 3: Okay, but see everyone keeps saying this, but let's have true. Okay,

1523
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 3: Kamalo was going to be the beacon. So if you

1524
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 3: have to choose between the two, who are you going

1525
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 3: to pick?

1526
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 2: But there was no like, oh well, maybe I should

1527
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 2: take note of the fact that this guy is always

1528
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 2: trying to like change the libel laws and threatening in

1529
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 2: this first administration, he tried to ban flag burning, et cetera.

1530
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 2: So I just I don't think any of that was

1531
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 2: present in the conversation. I'm glad to see these comments now,

1532
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 2: but I just you know, I think if if that

1533
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:46,879
Speaker 2: was like your primary reason for voting.

1534
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: For Trump, I agree it was, if that was your primary.

1535
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 4: Paying attention to he said and done, et cetera.

1536
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 1: If that was your primary offense, no offense, you're an idiot,

1537
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: which we often said here at the time. It's like

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01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: obviously like everybody kind of believe.

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01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 3: But you know, I see these owns all the time,

1540
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, the people who were literally trying

1541
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 3: to censor Alex Parentson or Fox News or whatever and

1542
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 3: give us a lecture about all this, like come on, like,

1543
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 3: there's no the fact is is they both kind of

1544
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 3: equally believe in power.

1545
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: And you know, the Republicans are probably just a lot

1546
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: more crass about it, But I don't know.

1547
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,839
Speaker 3: I just think they were willing who can be lectured

1548
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 3: by the establishment liberals about free school.

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01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 2: They're more willing to use the full force and weight

1550
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 2: of the government, is what we're seeing.

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01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: But the only reason they live. They don't have the

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01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 1: same cultural liberal power.

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01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 2: Well they do now, I mean with liberals, it was

1554
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 2: much more about using the cultural power, and here it's

1555
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 2: like I'm going to make your I'm going to make

1556
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 2: sure your deal doesn't go through. I'm going to like

1557
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 2: threaten you directly. I'm going to do whatever I can

1558
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 2: to try to crush you. So you have an avert

1559
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 2: like full of government attack in a way that is

1560
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 2: definitely different from what we saw under the Biden administration.

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01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 4: And we covered all the things. Oh now this show

1562
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 4: has been here, we've been consistent, so but I was.

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Speaker 3: More just saying people were like, oh, we've voted for

1564
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 3: and I'm like okay, but again, go back in time.

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01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 3: What would a Kamala administration have done? Probably the same shit,

1566
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 3: except about anti racist.

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01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 2: No, no, no, yes, you think they would have used

1568
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 2: the whole government to like threaten people. I mean, even

1569
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 2: if they wanted to, they just don't have the ball to.

1570
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: Do anti racism and quote voting rights.

1571
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they didn't.

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01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,560
Speaker 2: I mean, we had Biden Harris and it was and

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01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 2: they didn't. They did not do those things. So I

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01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 2: don't know why you prochecked that they would do different

1575
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 2: things this time.

1576
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 3: Because Biden was a literal dunce, and in some way

1577
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 3: his duncery was like a check.

1578
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 4: Kamala's a genius.

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01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 3: I don't say she's a genius, but she's breathing, okay,

1580
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 3: And there's a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Different, I think.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I I disagree.

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01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:42,560
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any evidence that and I'm not

1584
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 2: saying that they were great on free speech. We had

1585
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 2: our critiques at the time, but this is extraordinarily the

1586
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 2: consolidation of power Trump ally hands, the consistent effort to

1587
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 2: quash you know, any sort of universities and law firms

1588
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 2: and media outlets, the weaponization of lawsuits against them.

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Speaker 4: Like, it's different, it's genuine it is genuinely different.

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Speaker 3: I think the reason is different is because of that

1591
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 3: point that we made, which is that you know, the

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Speaker 3: right has the government.

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Speaker 1: It's the last tool that they really have. They don't

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01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: have any cultural representation, you know, in these companies. Maybe

1595
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 1: now they do. This is kind of my thing about

1596
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: earlier is.

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Speaker 3: You know, is Larry Ellison pro Trump or is he

1598
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 3: pro Israel? Because you know, which pro you are kind

1599
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 3: of matters. Larry Elson's like he's like a Republican ish.

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Speaker 3: She's like a Mitt Romney Tim Scott type, you know,

1601
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 3: if you remember he wrote big checks Tim Scott.

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01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: Is he pro Trump or is he just really pro Israel?

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01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: And Trump is also pro Israel? Right, So, like I

1604
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: think the.

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Speaker 3: Distinguished to be able to distinguish between that matters because

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01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 3: it's like, what's the issue number one that they're going

1607
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 3: to fight on the most?

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01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: It's Israel, Like that's that's the main one.

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01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 3: Even if you look at Fox News they hated Trump

1610
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 3: for years or at least the Murdoch family, they don't

1611
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 3: like everything about it.

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01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: But oh but Ukraine Israel? You know what else?

1613
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 3: Am I there's like a couple of other issues. That's

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01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 3: what they get the most animated about. And that's like

1615
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 3: a neo conservative And at this point.

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01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 4: These people are definitely pro Trump though.

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01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred percent because of Trump operationally where he

1618
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 3: is right now. But I don't think they care are Frankly,

1619
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 3: I think they hate Trump at a personal level.

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01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: They're happy to but they.

1621
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 2: They like that they get the tax cuts, they like

1622
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 2: the Israel policy, they like.

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01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 4: All of those things.

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01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, that matters.

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01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 2: One last, just we can just touch on this quickly

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Speaker 2: because I think it's an important point. Lena Khan has

1627
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 2: been talking about the way that the incredible concentration of

1628
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 2: power within the media industry in particular, is making it

1629
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 2: much easier for the Trump administration to consolidate power and

1630
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 2: indulge his authoritarian tendencies.

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01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 4: This is B five. Let's go ahead and take a

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01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 4: listen to this.

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01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 14: Look, I think what we are seeing right now is

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01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 14: a very clear display of how monopolies and concentrated economic

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01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 14: power work hand in hand with authoritarian figures. As you noted,

1637
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 14: what this is about for the president is concentrating political control,

1638
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 14: and it is so much easier to do that when

1639
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 14: you have an economy that is as concentrated as we

1640
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 14: have today. If you're a president who wants to sense

1641
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 14: your critics, media markets where five companies control everything make

1642
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 14: it much easier to do so than markets where you

1643
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 14: have fifty or more companies. And so this is really

1644
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 14: just putting in stark illustration how the extreme consolidation of

1645
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 14: economic power that we've seen in this country over the

1646
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 14: last few decades is now ripe for abuse by a

1647
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 14: president with such authoritarian leadings. And you know, this is

1648
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 14: actually a pretty old lesson. Even after World War Two,

1649
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 14: the US government commission studies to figure out what was

1650
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 14: it that allowed the rise of Nazism in Germany, and

1651
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 14: they found that industrial monopolists actually helped facilitate the rise

1652
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,560
Speaker 14: of Hitler. As a result, Congress passed something called the

1653
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 14: nineteen fifty Anti Merger Act because they worried that extreme

1654
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 14: consolidation in America could also lead to the rise of

1655
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 14: anti democratic pressures. So these are lessons that were so

1656
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:58,560
Speaker 14: central to our country for decades. Unfortunately, as we adopted

1657
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 14: a legal regime that was so much more permissive of

1658
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,879
Speaker 14: mergers of economic consolidation, it's brought us to the situation

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Speaker 14: we're in today.

1660
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Speaker 2: And just to back that up with some numbers, A

1661
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 2: B six up on the screen with regard to the

1662
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 2: media consolidation, this more Perfect Union says in nineteen eighty three,

1663
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 2: fifty companies controlled ninety percent of the US media market.

1664
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 4: That number now is down to five. So from fifty

1665
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 4: down to five.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting this relates saga we were talking a

1667
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 2: little bit about, like the Libertarians are winning a lot

1668
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 2: of arguments right now because there's different ideologies, well, there's

1669
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 2: different ideologies on the left about there's one ideology that says,

1670
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 2: actually it's good to have big, giant like industrial concerns,

1671
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 2: like for example, if you think about Amazon, Okay, if

1672
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 2: you have this one giant company, well, if you force

1673
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 2: unionization on them, if you force them to lift their wages,

1674
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 2: then you're having a larger impact all at once. But

1675
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 2: it's effectively like a very high risk environment when you

1676
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 2: have so much power consolidated. Because on the other hand,

1677
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 2: you can also have a presdent like Trump who uses

1678
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 2: in the opposite direction, makes it much easier for him to,

1679
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 2: you know, consolidate power in the way that he is.

1680
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 3: Look, it's a fascinating question of which I am genuinely

1681
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 3: torn on. You cannot look at the Chinese model and

1682
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,560
Speaker 3: tell me it doesn't work. It obviously works, and it

1683
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 3: works super well. It has surpassed American industry, and so

1684
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 3: there's a debate here in America how do we achieve

1685
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 3: the same level of innovation. So the anti monopolists like

1686
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 3: Lena and others would say the consolidation itself actually quashes competition,

1687
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 3: that inherently that is just not true if you look

1688
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,600
Speaker 3: at China. What they could say is that in an

1689
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 3: American context, we simply don't have the same cultural unity

1690
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 3: and agreement that the Chinese have. And so thus, you know,

1691
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 3: with our heterogeneous differences, we need to debate and that

1692
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 3: this is more American in character. It's a really it's

1693
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 3: a tough problem because if you look back at you know,

1694
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 3: she uses the German example, the industrialists, but you know,

1695
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 3: we had huge consolidation two during World War two to

1696
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 3: achieve economy of scale, to spin up the war machines

1697
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 3: where the government came in and effectively operated like China.

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Speaker 1: You know what, there's a quote where.

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01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 3: It's something like to beat the enemy, you often have

1700
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 3: to become the enemy. I'm like butchering it a little bit.

1701
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't really see exactly how you can

1702
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: contest byd Huawei.

1703
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 3: I was just showing our crew these new Huawei foldable

1704
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 3: like this is better than anything that exists in the

1705
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 3: United States. It's like, hands down, is cheaper, it's better.

1706
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 3: It's called the Mate book or something like that. BYD,

1707
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 3: by the way, just became the fastest car in the

1708
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 3: entire world, like yesterday on a street track. Like you

1709
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 3: can't look at that and say that and say that,

1710
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 3: you know, deconsolidation or whatever would be able to challenge it.

1711
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 2: I don't see it, although we also, I mean, it's

1712
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 2: not like BYD is the only car maker in China,

1713
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 2: so it's not like they just like invest everything in

1714
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 2: one monopoly.

1715
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 4: There's a lot of actually competition with the.

1716
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: Chinese give the floor.

1717
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, within the Chinese sens there is actually a lot

1718
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 2: of competition. But I mean, I hear what you're saying,

1719
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 2: Like that's why I freeze it as like a high

1720
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 2: risk landscape.

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Speaker 4: It's a high risk landscape. It's also a high reward.

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Speaker 2: Landscape if you do things right and if you you know,

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Speaker 2: aren't just trying to like serve your own corrupt ends.

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Speaker 4: But unfortunately, that's the press that we have right now.

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Speaker 3: It's not even just that, because everybody reaches for the

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01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 3: lever when they have it, So you know, we talked

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Speaker 3: to Earth.

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Speaker 1: We just had an argument with Biden. Well, what did

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Speaker 1: they do with Meta?

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Speaker 3: You remember when Jen Psaki was like, if you're banned

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01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 3: from when social media platform, you should be banned from them,

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01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 3: all right, I mean that stuff. It's only possible to

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01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 3: exert that pressure because there's only three companies in the

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01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 3: world that control you know, ninety percent. That is dangerous

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Speaker 3: in a free society. And it also gets to that

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Speaker 3: argument we're having about government power versus cultural power. One

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01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 3: of the reasons one of the clips of mind that

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01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 3: made me relatively famous or whatever on the right was

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01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen I said that corporations could be just

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01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,799
Speaker 3: as much of a threat to your freedom and liberty

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Speaker 3: as the government.

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Speaker 1: And I still believe that, obviously.

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Speaker 3: But part of the reason why is because of situations

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01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 3: like what we just talked about, where you can have

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01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 3: a full on crush, let's say, collaboration between three different

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01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 3: companies and if your parlor, you're dead overnight. I mean

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01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 3: that was very scary. Now obviously now through Trump, you know,

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Speaker 3: we're learning why the government. People are afraid of the

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Speaker 3: government too, So I get it, and I think that's

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01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 3: a fair enough you know, counterbalance, but that time was

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01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 3: really scary and dangerous as well. So you know, we

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01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 3: have to ask that question, what does it mean for

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01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 3: consolidation in what area? I believe it's you know, the

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01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 3: more socialists are saying that big is better because then

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01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 3: you can force like rules on them, and I mean

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01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,799
Speaker 3: they're not wrong. If you look at China, that's basically

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01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 3: what they've done to lay out the rules. At the

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Speaker 3: same time, if you you know the explosion of small business,

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Speaker 3: America is a country of entrepreneurs traditionally, if we had

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Speaker 3: smaller banks. I listened to a fascinating podcast of why

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01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,480
Speaker 3: if we just had much smaller banks compared to the megabanks,

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01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 3: it would create a lot more credit and it would

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01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 3: actually enable like credit unions and other things. It would

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01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 3: actually enable a lot more commerce and median wage growth,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. So I don't I think I've thought a

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Speaker 3: lot about it, and I think there's also a big

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Speaker 3: divide between how the US government needs to compete in

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Speaker 3: strategic industry and then how the average American should also

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01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 3: have to be able to conduct commerce, because maybe that's

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Speaker 3: the two separate conversation. Interesting like aerospace and all that,

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Speaker 3: like Boeing. Sorry, like aerospace probably should just be a monopoly.

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Speaker 2: Certain one of those things, I mean certain things that

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Speaker 2: you have this you know, a natural monopolise are a thing,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean, even like the social media We've

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01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:14,799
Speaker 2: talked to a solar about that. Even the social media companies,

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Speaker 2: like the reason that they function is because everybody's there, right,

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Speaker 2: So if you it doesn't really work to have like

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Speaker 2: a thousand different social media companies because then you're not

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Speaker 2: getting the benefit out of it.

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Speaker 4: But then you know, they.

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Speaker 2: Should be if they're effectively like public utilities, they should

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Speaker 2: be regulated definitely, and there should be you know, some

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Speaker 2: governance and the public interest. I mean, I guess bottom line,

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Speaker 2: there's just no getting around like electing people who are

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Speaker 2: like good, yeah, that's the interests of the country.

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Speaker 4: Around that.

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Speaker 3: Libertarians are also always like, well everything needs to be

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01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 3: a check. I'm like, yeah, but sometimes you have great

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01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 3: leaders like FDR Sometimes you do and it's great America

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01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 3: gets transformed, or a Theodore Roosevelt or you know, Grant Lincoln.

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Speaker 3: You know, these people, when they have immense power at

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Speaker 3: the disposal, they use it for good and then they're like, yeah,

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01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 3: but the bad ones use it for bad, I would

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01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 3: argue one balance, you know, we we've come out pretty

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01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 3: damn well, maybe not recently. We got a bad the moment,

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01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 3: you got a bad forty year stretch, but you know,

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Speaker 3: before that, the system, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think it works. I still think it works.

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Speaker 4: So I'm still just feeling that so much right now.

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Speaker 4: But yeah,