WEBVTT - The Murder Years S2: Ep. 8, Celebrity Skin 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:06.000 The following podcast contains explicit descriptions of violence, including sexual violence, 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:12.320 that some listeners may find upsetting. Continue at your own risk. 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:16.479 My name might have been, my name has never was. 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.320 That's a lyric from the nineteen ninety eight Whole song 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:24.240 Celebrity Skin. It's also the opening line of a letter 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.680 I recently received in the mail. Here it is in 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:34.040 its entirety, My dearest Courtney, my name is might have 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.080 been ben My name is never name as never was? 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:42.279 Why because you stole my name and leave it to 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:50.440 someone else? Oh, Courtney, it's been so long. I saw 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.560 a video of one of your most recent lectures online, 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.880 and time has not been kind to you, is it? 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.560 You're one school to name, air is now gray. You're 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:07.360 once kerky breasts now sag almost to your navel, and 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.800 you must now hide those pretty blue eyes behind horn 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:11.960 rimmed glasses. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.480 But you're not alone. 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:19.400 When I look in the mirror, I almost don't recognize 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:23.199 the old man looking think at me, what has become 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.600 of us? I was inspired to reach out to you 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.160 one more time for reasons of my own that I 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:34.280 will not disclose to you, but suffice to say I 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:39.600 miss you. I miss you so much, but I am 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:45.480 also angry with you. You profited off my work while I 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:46.440 never got. 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:47.560 Any recognition at all. 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.600 I suppose there is solace in the fact that another 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:56.320 man is in prison for my so called crimes, but 0:01:56.360 --> 0:02:00.639 there's an unsatisfying element to it, like fucking without rusting 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:01.160 a nut. 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:06.720 Fun sure, but incomplete. Maybe, my dear Courtney, We're not 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:07.680 done after all. 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:13.239 Maybe you can bring anything this full circle. Who knows, 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.239 you might even get another book out of it. Come 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.640 back to Domino Beach, Courtney, come home. 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.240 I'll be waiting for you with love. 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:49.320 DBK the real Domino Beach Killer. I'm Courtney Barnes and 0:02:49.360 --> 0:03:00.120 this is the Murder Years, Episode eight, Celebrity skin. Okay, 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.839 so there's a lot to unpack there. This letter came 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:05.840 to me in the mail in the fall of twenty 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:09.840 twenty three. I read it once, then again, then a 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.760 third and fourth time. I compared it to the original 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.480 letters I received in fall of nineteen ninety four and 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:20.400 spring of nineteen ninety five. Style is the same, the 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.840 handwriting is the same. All three letters could easily have 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:28.160 been written by the same person, but scans of the 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:32.040 original letters have been online for years, often in side 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.360 by side comparisons to the Zodiac Killers letters to police 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.400 or the Unibomber's manifesto, they wouldn't be hard to copy. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.120 It's not the first time someone has tried to scare me. 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.240 When your name is forever linked to a serial killers, 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:49.640 you're an easy target for disturbed minds with twisted senses 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:53.720 of humor. My initial reaction was to dismiss this letter 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.040 as some sick bastard's idea of a joke, But lying 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:01.240 awake in bed night after night, some just kept needling 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.960 at me. First of all, the author's choice of song 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.640 lyrics and the lead singer of the band Hole was 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.920 Courtney Love. Not only do I share a first name 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.480 with her, but she was married to Kurt Cobain, who 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.440 wrote the lyrics Polly Wants a Cracker that were painted 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.359 near the body of the first victim via Kendrick in 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:24.200 nineteen ninety two. I tried, but I couldn't shake the 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:28.039 feeling that there might be something to this. That's why 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:34.040 I decided to do this podcast. My book All Fall Down, 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.479 The Story of the Domino Beach Murders, was published in 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:40.320 nineteen ninety nine. For over a year, I traveled the country, 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:43.800 doing book signings, sitting on panels, and appearing on talk shows. 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.200 When things settled down, I chose not to return to 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:52.919 Domino Beach or even California. Instead, I bounced around the 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.839 Northeast for a while before settling in Connecticut, where I 0:04:55.880 --> 0:05:00.000 eventually quit writing and started teaching journalism at a community college. 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:04.160 I hadn't set foot in Domino Beach in twenty five years. 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.719 A few months ago, two weeks after I received that letter, 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.200 I flew into Lax, rented a car, and made the 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.760 hour long drive south to the place where my career 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:20.840 began and so many lives ended. It's weird being back here. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:26.240 Fuels abandoned, the ferris wheel and roller coaster on the 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:30.320 boardwalk are quiet and rusted. The once pristine beaches are 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:35.120 littered with trash and homeless encampments, hotels and resorts have closed, 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:40.000 and the multimillion dollar homes have fallen into disrepair. Surfers 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.479 still come here because one thing that hasn't changed is 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:47.520 the waves, but it's no longer a tourist destination, sparely 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:51.760 even a town anymore. As I was prepping for the 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.640 interviews I wanted to do for this podcast, I looked 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.880 everyone up for the first time in ages. Connor Langford 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.320 was easy to find, Still serving two consecutive life sentences 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:06.000 in California State Prison in Los Angeles County, the prison 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.760 van Connor made it easy for me to interview him 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:13.080 over the phone several times. Connor's father, former Domino Beach 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.680 City councilman, Greg Langford, lost his bid for reelection the 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.640 year after his son was convicted. He and his wife 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.039 sold their home and moved to Texas, where he served 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:25.200 as a campaign advisor to various politicians until he died 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:30.080 of a heart attack in twenty eleven. Damon Stokes was 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.360 re elected sheriff of Del Soul County every cycle until 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.960 he retired in twenty fifteen and moved to nearby La Joya. 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.680 I did my interview with him in his home over 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:44.400 the course of two afternoons. Only Maya Morales still lives 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.080 in Domino Beach, where she cares for her invalid mother. 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.640 I did my interview with her at her office. She's 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.560 a broker in the last real estate agency still operating 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.960 in Domino Beach. In the four hours I spent with her, 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:01.599 not one client came in and the phone owned rang twice. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.400 Here's Maya now with more on the evidence that proved 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.839 critical in sealing Connor Langford's fate. 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.360 I mean, I get why he was so easy to convict. 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:14.920 The letters you got from the killer were written on 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:15.880 the paper. 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:20.920 I bought myself, identified by the faulty watermark and stored 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.600 at Connor's band's rehearsal space, which. 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.760 By the way, a lot of people had access to, 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:31.480 not just Connor, who else, well a lot of Okay, 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.120 here's what I think. And at the time I told 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.120 Sheriff Stokes and anyone else who would listen what I'm 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.800 about to tell you, but I always got waved off. 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.080 Go way, stupid girl, know what I mean? 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.600 Unfortunately, yes I do. Go on. 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:50.520 Okay, First, the door to the rehearsal space was locked 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.880 by one of those number thingies, you know, like the 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:57.080 little metal buttons right under the knob and you have 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:58.720 to press in the right code. 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.560 Well, they they weren't exactly. 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.280 Super careful with who they gave that code to, and 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:05.800 it wasn't hard to guess either. 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.120 What was it? Four twenty? 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.480 Of course it was easy to remember, though, right. 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:17.160 So you're suggesting someone else use that code to get 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.040 to the paper and what frame Connor. 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.280 I'm just saying there were like at least a dozen 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.400 or so other guys who had access to the rehearsal space, 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.000 and anyone who went in there used that paper to 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.840 work out said lists, write songs, sketch out tattoos they 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.000 wanted to get it, roll joints, whatever. People grab stocks 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:37.200 of it. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:37.920 No one cared. 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:43.839 So sometime in it must have been late nineteen ninety three, 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.720 Connor and Brody started looking for a new bass player 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.079 because the guy that they'd been using went off to college. 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:53.360 And I bought that paper in like January or February 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:54.520 of nineteen ninety four. 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.960 Okay, do you know what a pain. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:08:59.680 In the ass? 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:00.440 Con was? 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:00.839 Back then? 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.840 They went through at least seven or eight bass players 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.160 before Brody decided to move to Seattle and kill the 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:07.160 band off for good. 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.120 And you think one of these bass players. 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.440 I think it's way more likely it was one of 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:13.800 them than Connor. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:15.800 Do you know their names? 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:16.880 No? 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.199 Connor and I started having our troubles early on in 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.520 nineteen ninety four, and I wasn't coming around so much. 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.480 But you didn't break up until February of nineteen ninety five. 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:28.360 A year later. 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.920 Well that was when I caught him cheating and ended it, 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:33.280 you know. 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:34.280 For real real. 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:36.800 But Connor and I had broken up and gotten back 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.160 together like a million times over the years. It was 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.920 kind of like our thing anyway. I'm telling you, if 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.880 you want to find out anything new, you got to 0:09:46.920 --> 0:10:08.360 go look into those bass players. If you want to 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.520 find out anything new, you gotta go look into those 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.280 bass players. 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:15.520 We did. 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:20.040 You probably know by now. That's Damon Stokes, retired sheriff 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.000 of Delsaul County and the lead law enforcement official in 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.200 the investigation of the Domino Beach killer. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.439 It turned up nothing. You have to understand. Maya Morales 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.080 is just as much a victim of Connor Langford as 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.120 any of the people he killed. He used her, he 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.320 manipulated her. 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.520 I stood by someone I cared for. I chose not 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.480 to believe all the lies that were being said about him. 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:45.920 That makes me a victim. 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:47.120 Fuck him. 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:51.199 I am nobody's victim. And maybe he called the couple 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.640 of those bass players, but I know for a fact 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.079 that he did not look into them hard. By that time. 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.480 He was all in on Connor. And if it turned 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.360 out to be so someone else, it just would have 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:02.320 made him look stupid. 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.040 I would have been thrilled if the killer was anyone 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.760 other than Connor Langford. I was risking my livelihood by 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.840 charging him. But all the evidence pointed to Connor. I 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.200 know it's difficult for Miss Morales to accept, but you 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:17.520 know it's true. 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.400 Yeah, Maya's whole the bass player did it. Theory never 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:26.320 really gained much traction. Even my own lawyer didn't buy 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:26.840 into it. 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:31.000 That's Connor Langford talking to me from California State Prison. 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:35.079 The thing was in ninety four. I was starting to 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.760 use drugs pretty heavily, and Maya and I were fighting 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:41.000 all the time. I just didn't pay much attention to 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:42.240 the guys coming in and out of. 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.800 The rehearsal space. That was Brodie's thing. He was more 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:45.840 on top of it than I was. 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.920 Brody Hanigan, your friend and the drummer in your band. 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:50.880 By then, friend was stretching it. 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.120 He was already starting to get fed up with me, 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.360 and he moved to Seattle in October that year. 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.000 In court, Brody leaving Domino Beach was cited as a 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.480 reason why you became sloppy, like in the failed abduction 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.400 of Angela Bowers. 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.080 And if I really was the killer, that would have 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.800 been true. I was really bummed when he left. 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.640 I have to tell you, Brody never wanted to talk 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:15.880 to me about you. I tried to interview him back 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:17.319 when I was writing my book. 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:22.440 Which is complete bullshit by the way, covered a fucking cover. Sorry, 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.600 but it has to be said, even if you'll probably 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:26.440 edit this out. 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:27.440 Okay. 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.720 I also tried to get Brody to take part in 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.600 this podcast, but he never returned any of my calls. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:37.360 Look, Brody, like I said, we weren't on the best 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.160 of terms when he quit the band and left town. 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:43.160 And then he believed it. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.000 Okay, he believed everything they said about me, and I 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:50.440 bet he still does. He thinks I killed Vera, and look, 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:52.320 he had a thing for her when they accused me 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.280 of her murder. Maya tried contacting him up in Seattle, 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.400 trying to convince him to come be a character witness 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:58.000 in my defense. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.560 You know, he told her to tell me to rotten hell. 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.920 That must have been hard being abandoned by a friend 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:06.200 like that. 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:07.640 He had his reasons to hate me. 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:10.560 I mean, he may be the one who left town, 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:12.480 but I was the one who really broke up the band. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:15.200 I was a dick. 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.959 Yeah, it was really sad when all this started. They 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.480 were like best friends. 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.320 Have you talked to him since m not in a 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.600 long long time. You should, though I tried. You won't 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:34.040 talk to me. 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:38.239 You mean he won't take your calls or return them exactly. 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.960 Look way back when I was trying to get him 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.720 to come testify for Connor, he was doing the. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.320 Same thing to me. So you know what I did. 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:51.160 I flew up there and I kind of ambushed him. 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:52.600 Did it work? 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.280 Well, he didn't come testify at the trial, but at 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.240 least he talked to me. He sat down, explained where 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.520 he was coming from. I mean that's all I could 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:03.120 really ask for. 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.920 Right, you're saying I should just go to Seattle and 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:07.240 just knock on his door. 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.079 Yeah, I mean, look, I haven't spoken to him in 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.400 at least ten years, but he's a nice guy. If 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.160 you show up, he's not gonna slam the door in 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.200 your face. I mean, I don't know that he'll agree 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.800 to be interviewed for your podcast, bye. 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:27.720 But it it's worth a try. Yeah, I decided Maya's right. 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:33.760 Brody Hanigan is still living in Seattle, still working in music, apparently, 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:35.920 he has his own business where he designs and hooks 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.800 up sound systems at clubs and small venues in support 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:43.040 of the latest crop of aspiring rock stars. I've been 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.040 back in Domino Beach for months now working on this podcast, 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.760 and I'm almost ready to get it out there, done 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:53.080 with my interviews recorded, my narration, and well, Brody seems 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.480 like he's the last thread there is to pull. So 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.360 I've booked a ticket to Seattle out of Lax for 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.680 tomorrow morning, and I'm going to take a page from 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.920 Maya's book and ambush him. I used to do this 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.560 sort of thing with difficult interview subjects back in the day, 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:15.280 but it's been a while though, so wish me luck. Okay, 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:20.920 check check check, check, okay, okay, you guys. So I'm 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.360 in a rental car parked at the curb on a 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.600 street in what appears to be pretty much a lower 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:30.360 middle class neighborhood in the suburbs of Seattle. I am 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:35.120 right outside the house of Broderick Brody Hanigan, which he's 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:40.000 been renting for the last sixteen years. Oh okay, no 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:45.120 time like the present. Oh okay. I'm putting my phone 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.480 in my purse with the voice memo app running. I 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.280 don't know if I can convince Brody to give me 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.480 an interview, but I want to be able to prove 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:58.440 to Maya that at least I tried. Okay, I am 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:02.120 walking down the driveway, passed a van with a microphone 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:07.280 logo and the words Hannigan's sound design stenciled on the side, 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.680 and I am up on the front porch ringing the 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:22.040 bell and okay, one more time, Brody Hanigan, Hello, anyone home? 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:26.480 Who is it, mister Hannigan. Hi, It's Courtney Barnes. I 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.040 contacted you a couple of weeks ago about a possible 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:30.400 interview with Connor Langford. 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:34.560 I said, I wasn't interested. 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.240 Well, actually you never responded to my calls or emails, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.520 so I wasn't sure you got them. I'm sorry, but 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.440 I'm I guess you did. I don't know if you remember, 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.040 but I was also living in Domino Beach at the 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.360 time of the murders. I was writing for the. 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.600 I remember you newspaper reporter. 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:52.920 Yes, yes, that's me. 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.080 You wrote a book too, write a long time ago. 0:16:56.200 --> 0:17:00.160 Write again, and well, I'm I guess you could call 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.000 I'm doing like a follow up kind of revisiting the 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.800 whole thing, checking in with all the players after all. 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.080 These years, and I'm one of the players. 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.520 Well, you were there at the start, weren't you. You 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.480 were with Connor when the body of the first victim vire. Uh? 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:22.160 Yeah, you know. It was bad enough to see her 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:22.439 like that. 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:23.320 She was. 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.080 I cared about her, and the. 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.680 Fact that Connor used me the way he did made 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:31.800 sure I was with him when we found her body. 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:33.720 I'll never forgive him. 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.960 I understand, and I can only imagine how traumatic look. 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.879 I have no interest in whatever this is. 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.000 I know Connor's always maintained his innocence and all, but 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:44.040 he's a fucking liar. 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:45.000 I know he did it. 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.800 Okay, Okay, Well maybe we can talk a little bit 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.720 about what makes you so sure. I promise I will 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:55.680 not take up too much of your time, all right, 0:17:55.800 --> 0:18:00.000 fuck it, come on in, Okay, great? Thank you? 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:02.520 Is it? 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:02.800 Okay? 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.560 If I record this and rather you didn't, I'll give 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.359 you a few minutes. But I don't want this on 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:09.359 the record or anything. 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.000 Oh okay, I understand. 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:14.080 Have a seat. 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:19.199 Thanks, So if you don't mind, can I ask you 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.359 why you were so hesitant about speaking with me? 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:28.160 Yeah? I recently got diagnosed with lung cancer stage three. 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.320 Oh, I am so sorry. 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.760 Yeah, well, I'm probably not going to be around much longer. 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.480 So living in the past, digging up these bad memories 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.640 talking about them just feels like a waste of time. 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:45.199 I don't have, I understand. And again, I'm really sorry 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.200 to hear that. I'll be quick. 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.159 I already said, okay. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.800 Okay, well, okay. The main thing I wanted to ask 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.800 you about is the period of time between say, April 0:18:57.880 --> 0:18:59.680 and October nineteen ninety four. 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.720 October ninety four, that's when I moved up here. 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.200 And why did you leave Domino Beach. 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.040 Well, it was the nineties and I was a musician. 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.920 Seattle was the place to be. The band was going nowhere. 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:20.800 Connor's heart wasn't in it anymore at the time. I 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:28.040 didn't know he had, you know, other interests taking priority. Besides, 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.760 that wasn't long after those spring Break Girls got hacked up. 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.760 I had plenty of reasons to leave Domino Beach. What 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:40.000 I didn't have was a reason to stay. 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:42.399 Well, let's talk about your last few months there. You 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:47.080 and Connor were looking for a new bass player, right, yeah, yeah, we. 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.720 Were, man. We went through a ton of them. 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.199 Some were in a good fit, some didn't like the 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:54.000 way Connor was half assing the whole thing. 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:58.080 Some just, I don't know, just didn't work out for 0:19:58.119 --> 0:19:58.800 whatever reason. 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.840 Okay, well, I'm sure you remember. One of the key 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:04.720 pieces of evidence used against Connor was the paper mya 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:08.320 kept in your rehearsal space. It had a faulty watermark. 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:11.520 Yeah, so. 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.439 I was hoping to track down some or all of 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.120 the musicians who had access to your rehearsal space during 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:18.960 that time period. 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:24.000 Why, oh no, wait, let me guess Connor convinced you 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.400 the real killer is one of those guys, and he's 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:27.480 still out there right. 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.160 No, he didn't convince me. I just think it's worth 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:30.720 looking into. 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.840 But that's been this story for damn near thirty years. 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.639 Why did you suddenly decide it's worth looking into? 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:36.960 Now? 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:42.240 Well, let's just say new information has come to light. 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:46.840 What kind of new information? 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:51.399 I don't think that I can hold on. 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:56.160 You come to my home, uninvited, unannounced. I answer your questions. 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:58.679 You say you have new information that can mean the 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:00.679 guy who used to be my best friend isn't a 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:04.040 murderer after all, And you won't tell me. 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:04.520 What it is. 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:06.680 I'm sorry, mister Hanigan, but. 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:10.240 Don't call me that. That's not my name. 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:11.800 Excuse me. 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:34.560 My name is might have been. My name is might 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:35.040 have been. 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:47.040 Wait, don't my name is never lost. You still getting 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:53.240 right fucking to me? This feels right, doesn't it. I'm 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:54.440 not the only one dying of. 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.320 Cancer, am I? 0:21:56.320 --> 0:22:01.160 I'm your cancer? Did you thirty years taking you over? 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:01.879 Killing me? 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:05.159 It's good about you get off me. 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:13.560 No, it had to end this way. We both knew 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:19.480 it all along. That's say look at me. I want 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:21.480 to see the light go out in those pretty eyes 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.440 of yours. It's okay. 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:29.359 Wherever you're going, I'll be following you there soon. And 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:30.040 it happened. 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.280 You had your moment, Courtney. It's my turn. 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:41.600 You are always going to be my last. 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:52.679 Goodbye, Courtney. 0:22:55.480 --> 0:23:01.040 Hello, my name is Maya Morales. 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:02.480 What you just. 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:07.919