Speaker 1: It's nine O Gen one leg with Jenny Garth and
Speaker 1: Tory Spelling. Wow, you guys.
Speaker 2: They missed them behind the scenes. I hate to say it,
Speaker 2: but the right before we go.
Speaker 1: On things are juicy. So it was pretty solid looking
Speaker 1: with you guys. This episode it is called love Hurts
Speaker 1: My Brain. That's what it did. That's what hurts. It
Speaker 1: hurt my brain. I couldn't. Could you believe this episode?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been It's burned in my brain since college.
Speaker 3: WHOA, I forgot? This is like one of the fan
Speaker 3: favorite episodes. That's like when people say, like to me,
Speaker 3: like Donna, like, oh my god, you said Dave. Okay,
Speaker 3: sorry I'm jumping ahead, but yes, that's like a big thing.
Speaker 3: All I could think about is, oh my gosh, I
Speaker 3: forgot Garrett. It's the guy from Cable.
Speaker 1: Guy, right, David bo who played Garrett Slan the Creeper.
Speaker 3: But wait, so okay, So we love Cable Guy because
Speaker 3: Brian always does impressions like spot on. He's so Jim
Speaker 3: Carrey good, he's so a secifically cable guy. But in
Speaker 3: the end scene of Cable Guy, David who played Garrett
Speaker 3: is in the end scene in the helicopter, like, remember, nope, okay.
Speaker 1: But this episode is so crazy, let's give him a
Speaker 1: Synopsis of season five, episode twenty three, Love Hurts, aired
Speaker 1: March first, nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 3: Synopsis Lenny is an outcast on campus while the real
Speaker 3: rapist is on the loose and comes for Donna. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: Valerie's evil tactics put a wedge between David and Donna
Speaker 3: until he saves her. On the other side of town,
Speaker 3: Dylan discovers Andrea's dirty secret, and Andrea discovers doctor Peter
Speaker 3: is not in it for the long run.
Speaker 1: Directed by Gilbert Shilton, written by Arry Mullen and Kin Stringer.
Speaker 2: Jenny, where were you? Do you have any memory of
Speaker 2: why you're not in this episode? A?
Speaker 1: I have no memory of anything, and B well, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think maybe it was just because Kelly
Speaker 1: had just been through so much trauma and drama. Maybe
Speaker 1: I needed a break.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, Toy, do you y?
Speaker 1: Tory?
Speaker 3: I think maybe I'm wrong? Jen. Had we started double ups?
Speaker 3: I think this was a double up episode. Would that'd
Speaker 3: be wrong?
Speaker 2: That makes more sense, Tory, That makes sense because I
Speaker 2: would I not be there because maybe you were so
Speaker 2: busy in the others.
Speaker 3: You were so huge in the other one. I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know that sounds familiar.
Speaker 1: But maybe regardless, I did not miss me. I was
Speaker 1: able to watch the show and not like come out
Speaker 1: of it because I missed you. You know, it's a toy.
Speaker 2: It's an amazing performance.
Speaker 1: What a great episode. Oh my gosh, you should have
Speaker 1: gotten some sort of accolades for this.
Speaker 3: But nope, Nope, that wouldn't be on brand.
Speaker 2: No, but Jenny, we did miss you, and especially when
Speaker 2: Donna comes in and says, Kelly, Yeah, you're a Kelly.
Speaker 1: I know. It's just weird that they didn't like explain
Speaker 1: it because even though other person was there, like where
Speaker 1: would she be by herself? Even her mom was there?
Speaker 3: Maybe she was Nope, everyone, but here's the thing. The
Speaker 3: good news is your name was mentioned, Kelly, and you
Speaker 3: got paid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3: You don't have to be there, so you're.
Speaker 2: Probably What do you remember about when they came to
Speaker 2: you with this script?
Speaker 3: Nothing?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so traumatic. I remember this episode.
Speaker 3: No, I remember every detail of this episode, but I
Speaker 3: don't remember like when they came to me and said,
Speaker 3: here's what's going to happen you're going to be the one.
Speaker 3: I don't remember that.
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything about it because you know how
Speaker 1: when you're not it's not your scene, you don't really
Speaker 1: read it right. And I was never on it, so
Speaker 1: I saw all this for the first time. You guys
Speaker 1: read it that.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, and you've never seen it.
Speaker 1: No, it's scary. It's so scary it's triggering. I'm sure
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. Yeah, I mean, can you
Speaker 1: imagine you, guys, this is the first episode of its
Speaker 1: kind to deal with something like this, like date rape,
Speaker 1: rape in general. I was just blown away and infidelity,
Speaker 1: Like there's so many huge things going on in this
Speaker 1: episode that teens were not talking about.
Speaker 2: No. And I remember being in college when this was on,
Speaker 2: and I think it was sort of brought awareness to
Speaker 2: us of how dangerous it could be on a college campus.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: My daughter Lola was watching with me and she was terrified.
Speaker 2: M Yeah, I definitely. You know how Steve was driving
Speaker 2: the golf cart around like to take girls where they
Speaker 2: needed to go.
Speaker 3: I liked him in that green jacket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was kipy truth.
Speaker 2: He was cute. We didn't have a golf cart, but
Speaker 2: there was a thing you could call, say we're at
Speaker 2: the library and you needed to walk to your dorm
Speaker 2: or sorority or whatever. There was a number you could call.
Speaker 1: To have a safety.
Speaker 2: Yeah, walk you don't. I never walked around alone. It
Speaker 2: was like a thing you just didn't. Berkeley was safe
Speaker 2: and fine, but you never walked around like a college
Speaker 2: campus just at night by yourself.
Speaker 3: No. No, yeah, we were never alone at college. There
Speaker 3: was like fifty million crew members all around this all
Speaker 3: times we were flying.
Speaker 1: That wasn't real.
Speaker 3: Shoot, I thought it was like the thing I have. Wait,
Speaker 3: do you remember that your Luke gave us all pepper
Speaker 3: sprays for Christmas? No? But I was so scared of
Speaker 3: like spraying myself that I kept in my drawer like
Speaker 3: panty drawer at home. Wait, that sounded weird. I didn't
Speaker 3: mean like, but I never used it, but it would have.
Speaker 3: That's what you need. Yeah, Like, my girls have pepper
Speaker 3: spray on their backpacks, like they.
Speaker 2: Didn't not call it pepper spray, sugarcoat anything. So this
Speaker 2: episode like it was not.
Speaker 3: It wasn't soapy like it's become lately.
Speaker 1: It went back to basics, like the drama. Should we
Speaker 1: just recap it? Like from the top.
Speaker 2: Definitely.
Speaker 1: All right, let's start out at the California I call
Speaker 1: it the California University.
Speaker 3: Where, uh, Donna, I don't want to say see you.
Speaker 1: No, Donna is telling Steve and Andrea about how betrayed
Speaker 1: she feels by Claire and David because they won't hire
Speaker 1: Ray at the Pea Pad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she really blamed Claire at first.
Speaker 1: Why is Claire? Is Claire the booker? There is? I
Speaker 1: don't understand who owns or runs the Pea Pad because
Speaker 1: there are a bunch of kids, but they own a nightclub.
Speaker 3: Why do you keep going at the pa Pad?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I jumped in after Dark pea Pad.
Speaker 3: Anybody like a pea pad? Like a dog? Pea pad? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Your favorite thing not to use? Yep, the pea Pad.
Speaker 2: We don't have to be it's new.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really long title.
Speaker 2: Peach Pit after Dark Gonna stick.
Speaker 3: It's a good one. Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about the hierarchy. So now owns a
Speaker 2: lot of dying, I think, But I think David and
Speaker 2: Claire are the bookers, Okay, the music booker.
Speaker 3: Claire feels more involved though, Yeah, she has more, say
Speaker 3: than just like booking, like I trust her, yeah, a
Speaker 3: little bit more.
Speaker 2: They're such a weird too. They're like a couple that
Speaker 2: sort of just doesn't seem like a couple.
Speaker 3: Just doesn't work.
Speaker 2: It's so weird. But they're cool and they're like friends,
Speaker 2: but they're not. They're such a weird couple. I think
Speaker 2: there was a kiss in this.
Speaker 3: There's no chemistry.
Speaker 2: No, I was like at all, Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1: This is immediately off the top. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this episode is written by men, and so I didn't
Speaker 1: know what was going to happen. So as the episode
Speaker 1: progressed and you know, stuff started to go down, I
Speaker 1: was like, uh huh man man dialogue. Man, this is
Speaker 1: all the whole no offense to anybody, but it was
Speaker 1: definitely just like through a men's lens of what a
Speaker 1: rape or date rape or all of it. The whole
Speaker 1: thing for me was just interested off in that respect.
Speaker 3: I hear you. I mean, I guess I did the
Speaker 3: best I could with what I was given. Of course,
Speaker 3: make it make it more feminine, yeah, job.
Speaker 1: You brought like the sympathy, like the sympathetic story of
Speaker 1: it all, and like the fear but like it just
Speaker 1: felt very he was weird handily. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: It was a lot. And they have.
Speaker 1: A registered sex offender on campus. Yeah, living in a dorm.
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, that wasn't would that happen or would
Speaker 1: it wasn't it? I don't even think registered sex offender
Speaker 1: was like a thing that was discussed anywhere then. I
Speaker 1: don't remember.
Speaker 2: I just don't think a registered sex offender. We're talking
Speaker 2: about Lenny, right, Yeah, he's that didn't track for me.
Speaker 2: I had a little bit of a flag on that, like,
Speaker 2: why is this guy living in the dorm? Then?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brandon says, he tells everybody that Lenny wasn't the guy,
Speaker 1: that he wasn't the rapist, So everybody is cleared Lenny
Speaker 1: in the beginning.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're so awful to him.
Speaker 1: Andrea then gets a beep from Peter and meets a.
Speaker 3: Madamte discussion took me right back to the nineties.
Speaker 2: Is that the notel motel with them is really taking
Speaker 2: them down?
Speaker 3: For me?
Speaker 2: Like now, it's just kind of gross.
Speaker 1: Well, where else are they gonna do it?
Speaker 3: It's just not fun to see gotten. It's not really
Speaker 3: from Beverly hills, no one will spot her. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: a doctor. He can splurge for something a little better up,
Speaker 3: but he pays for a week at a time. Why
Speaker 3: because he gets a discount that way. It's just ew.
Speaker 2: It was, oh, yeah, thank you E.
Speaker 3: Are we to the point where Garrett Canson?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 3: It's so weird. It's like a scene that's kind of irrelevant,
Speaker 3: to be honest, But I remember sitting across from Tiffany
Speaker 3: like filming that scene where the food is there, and
Speaker 3: I'm talking to her and she's like, no, David, you know,
Speaker 3: David's fault that this happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we meet him. I think we meet him first
Speaker 2: at SeeU. Remember he cleans the table.
Speaker 3: I'm so nervous spilling something. I'm so clumsy, and I
Speaker 3: thought when he came in to the pad, I could
Speaker 3: have sworn. I was like hey Garrett, and I was like,
Speaker 3: had to rewind. But I say hey there because later
Speaker 3: I ask his name.
Speaker 1: You don't really know him, right, You're really nice to him.
Speaker 1: I mean in Donna fashion, of course, you're nice to everybody.
Speaker 3: I was really really highly distracted by my outfit because
Speaker 3: my nipples in different directions gonna lie, did see there's
Speaker 3: a problem, because if she had been there, she would
Speaker 3: have corrected that. So now I'm really missing shirt with
Speaker 3: the suspender pink pink. Oh, it happens later then too.
Speaker 3: This one is like one's going north, ones going south,
Speaker 3: and I'm just distracted.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have let that happen if I had been
Speaker 1: with you. Correct somebody should have flagged that for you, somebody,
Speaker 1: But I'm sure again I didn't feel comfortable letting you know.
Speaker 1: But he was real into you. When we go to
Speaker 1: the LAPD station where Lenny's being released and David is
Speaker 1: there to pick him up, I had no idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were so close.
Speaker 2: I mean that yeah stretch, Yeah, that was the stretch.
Speaker 1: And he tells David a story on the way home
Speaker 1: that was like you got a short and munch. It's
Speaker 1: a long story about law. Yeah, his so his friends
Speaker 1: when they were soldiers and hookers and oh yeah, you
Speaker 1: know a little gung ho and woke up in a
Speaker 1: prison sale accused of rape. Nice.
Speaker 3: And all I could focus on was the little fur
Speaker 3: under Brian's chin. Right, I'm not that little patch that
Speaker 3: I is that new this week because it's been like
Speaker 3: a little bit of a that was it wasn't rate.
Speaker 2: Wait, Jenny, I want to know at this point in
Speaker 2: this episode, but where your head was at? Like I
Speaker 2: knew so much of what was happening, and I think
Speaker 2: Tory does too. So where are you out on this episode?
Speaker 1: Like is it good?
Speaker 2: Is it? Are you having foreshadow like what are you
Speaker 2: feeling kind of at this point?
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't have foreshadowing until a little bit later.
Speaker 1: But I since I fell asleep at the end of
Speaker 1: the last episode, I wasn't really that clear on Lenny's
Speaker 1: role or Lenny was because you guys were filling me
Speaker 1: in last week. So I was a little confused. And
Speaker 1: I was super confused as to why David is friends
Speaker 1: with this guy to drive him home. I didn't understand that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know anything about what was coming.
Speaker 2: And did you get a bad vibe from Garrett when
Speaker 2: he was at the peach pit and and Tori's I
Speaker 2: mean sorry, Donald's yes, where's my purse?
Speaker 1: And then you're like that happens later? Yeah, definitely, I
Speaker 1: didn't get flat because he took your address out of it.
Speaker 1: He took like your man something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's good, right, Like, so why would he
Speaker 3: he's bad? Yeah, it's almost like he won. Oh he's
Speaker 3: just bad or he wanted her to know something's off,
Speaker 3: be scared, be alarmed. No, I think he's that like
Speaker 3: to make him.
Speaker 1: Maybe she was, Yeah, maybe he had a rush or something.
Speaker 1: Then we go back to the CEU. How about that
Speaker 1: the school senators meeting, and Janice is kicking ass. I
Speaker 1: am in love with this character. She tells the entire
Speaker 1: room about Lenny's record, even though it was supposed to
Speaker 1: be confidential.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And I was a big fan of the lighting in
Speaker 1: that scene. Did you guys notice anything about the lighting
Speaker 1: in this episode?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the blinds across like Jason, I miss good.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'd never seen that kind of lighting on the show.
Speaker 1: And then that we started doing that a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're oh, I'm gonna have to keep my eyes
Speaker 2: open for that. I did not. I was very into
Speaker 2: the storyline, so I was not. I didn't really notice
Speaker 2: like that was different.
Speaker 1: I feel like it was a different lighting guy personally.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3: We did at one point make a change.
Speaker 1: Yes, I feel like it's right here it's happening.
Speaker 3: It's happening, it's happening.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're all talking about Lenny and how he
Speaker 1: shouldn't be there. Duh.
Speaker 2: I thought a little bit bad about that. You guys
Speaker 2: said you were a little bit because it was like
Speaker 2: he was wrongfully accused. Yes, the story was dicey. I
Speaker 2: was like, that's making me not totally like feeling bad
Speaker 2: for Lenny. But it was the classic case of like, oh,
Speaker 2: get senor provujet of you, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like it was so like, god, wait, this isn't even
Speaker 2: the guy.
Speaker 1: Did feel a little heavy handed.
Speaker 2: I think we're just supposed to think he's the guy,
Speaker 2: and but immediately you know it's the other guy.
Speaker 1: Then go to the hotel motel, you guys, oh goodness,
Speaker 1: and Dylan is just, you know, conveniently there of.
Speaker 2: All the gin joints, right, like, there's five thousand motels
Speaker 2: in LA and they she picks the one where his
Speaker 2: buddy works.
Speaker 3: Love it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Charlie's there writing his screenplay and then just
Speaker 1: offers it up to Dylan to finish. I didn't spend
Speaker 1: that either. Who does that?
Speaker 3: I think that happens a lot.
Speaker 2: Can I rebring out something controversial again. And I know
Speaker 2: I'm a little jumping ahead. Andrea and Dylan are the
Speaker 2: couple like that is the couple that should have been.
Speaker 3: And I know we've talked this happening right now, and
Speaker 3: I know you guys, I don't like it, but I do.
Speaker 2: Have support from fans.
Speaker 1: Okay, who are they?
Speaker 2: Many people when I said any last time, and you
Speaker 2: got many.
Speaker 1: Many people.
Speaker 2: A lot of people commented they were with me. Just
Speaker 2: to keep behind. All I ask is that you keep
Speaker 2: it in mind.
Speaker 3: That all the three people that supported me on this,
Speaker 3: and you were one of them, so too.
Speaker 2: To keep it in mind as we have this conversation
Speaker 2: right because there's two scenes in this episode that I
Speaker 2: think fully support where I'm at on it. One where
Speaker 2: they have the conversation that I think Jenny's about to
Speaker 2: tell us about like he saw her, and two we
Speaker 2: will talk about when we get to it. So I
Speaker 2: apologize for taking a sideways, but I think we need
Speaker 2: to think about it real seriously.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not gay about that.
Speaker 3: Well, when we get there, okay, let's keep Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I've noted it, thank you, thank you. Uh so.
Speaker 1: Charlie then points out that it is in fact a
Speaker 1: note Tell Moe Tell and Dylan looks out the window
Speaker 1: and sees Andrea leaving one of the rooms.
Speaker 4: And picture Charlie's so like, like there's this couple and
Speaker 4: he fills in and then she pills in, and then
Speaker 4: they go in and then he pulls out and then like, oh,
Speaker 4: my friend, Like it's so like, come on, she.
Speaker 1: Was fully showered.
Speaker 3: She took a shower.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, kind of slipped back hair, uh uh uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's unsettling.
Speaker 2: Never get in the bed or the shower at that place.
Speaker 2: I don't care if it's.
Speaker 3: It's worse or this shower. I don't know which is worse.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: Because at least his showers like water, like literally, brad
Speaker 2: Pitt could be like, meet me here, and I'd be like, no,
Speaker 2: I'd go.
Speaker 3: Then yeah, I'd go. Yeah, I'd get all the hotel, motel, Cootie,
Speaker 3: brad Pitt want to be there.
Speaker 2: What are we thinking of Andrea. I'm quite disappointed in her, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she's a human.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I doesn't even feel bad about it.
Speaker 3: In a lot of the episode, she's in love with him. Oh,
Speaker 3: doctor Peter, by.
Speaker 2: The way, crazily, you guys I have to tell you
Speaker 2: really fast, doctor Peter. So you know, I'm rewatching twenty four.
Speaker 2: He is fully in Keeper Sutherland's twenty four.
Speaker 1: Oh that's nice, and.
Speaker 2: I'm totally watching it while I'm watching this, and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 2: there he is. He's like a one of the kind
Speaker 2: of like CTU agents.
Speaker 3: Huh. I think that one too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you might have facial hair in it.
Speaker 2: But I mean that's it's ninety five right now. The
Speaker 2: episode I'm watching was like ten years later.
Speaker 1: So this is when things start to get creepy though.
Speaker 1: Back at the Peapad, Donna is looking for Valerie when
Speaker 1: the waiter at the Condor's Nest, that same guy named
Speaker 1: Garrett comes in. He is now looking for a job,
Speaker 1: conveniently at the peach pit after dark, the only place
Speaker 1: to get a job.
Speaker 2: Now, can I ask you guys? We learned later that
Speaker 2: he was sort of stalking Claire. Did you guys get
Speaker 2: any No? I didn't either, that sort of that was confusing.
Speaker 3: Wait wait, wait, did something happen last week where there
Speaker 3: was a little like we thought something was going to
Speaker 3: happen to Claire? Because I'm confused then or was the
Speaker 3: scene cut?
Speaker 2: No? Claire.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he was watching her and that he knew
Speaker 1: that's where she worked at the peach pit after dark,
Speaker 1: so we followed her there and then he found you when.
Speaker 2: You spill at the table, who's sitting with you.
Speaker 3: Andrea? Not Claire?
Speaker 2: Anyway, Steve, somebody with eagle eyes might be able to
Speaker 2: explain that to me better, because that.
Speaker 3: Hold when he does come in, because he's coming in
Speaker 3: for a job there, he says, is Claire here, so
Speaker 3: he knows he's supposed.
Speaker 2: To be, So maybe he was initially kind of seeking
Speaker 2: her out and then he meets you and switches.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, what.
Speaker 1: Why is Donna being so nice to Valerie? Is it
Speaker 1: because of what we talked about last week that you
Speaker 1: you kind of know what she's up to, so you're
Speaker 1: trying to like bait her by being nice to her?
Speaker 1: Great question, Like I didn't get now why you were friendly?
Speaker 3: Okay, so why did I come there? I came there
Speaker 3: just to say hey, to talk about Yeah, I'm pissed,
Speaker 3: I think so, but I'm too nice? And then she
Speaker 3: disarmed me you by blame me on David, and I
Speaker 3: totally am gullible. I'm like, oh yeah, fine, yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: let's eat. Yeah good though.
Speaker 2: It was I immediately got scared by the purse thing,
Speaker 2: Like I definitely was like, yeah that Sam act when
Speaker 2: you were like, where's my purse? And then I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: then you find the purse and you go through it,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm actually scared.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when you know something bad's happening. I honestly
Speaker 1: knew earlier when he came in and he was staring
Speaker 1: at you. Oh really your little cheerleader outfit. So yeah,
Speaker 1: she finds her purses missing and we go back, how
Speaker 1: I feel exhausted. We're going back to see you now,
Speaker 1: and Steve is giving out the golf cart rides to
Speaker 1: the students.
Speaker 2: That was cute.
Speaker 1: He was cute in that, so cute. I wanted to
Speaker 1: know where they were shooting this because this scene looks
Speaker 1: very similar to where they shoot something else in this episode.
Speaker 3: It wasn't occidental. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: When you find out you have to go all the
Speaker 2: way to occidental, do you kind of go, oh well.
Speaker 3: I mean for years we had to go to Torrents
Speaker 3: for high school, so for college breaking out okay, the
Speaker 3: same Yeah, it was just like a different direction far and.
Speaker 2: You drive yourselves interesting okay, sorry, little tidbits for me
Speaker 2: to learn.
Speaker 1: And then they see Lenny getting mobbed and angry crowd.
Speaker 1: I was scared for him. Andrea tells Dylan. That's where
Speaker 1: Dylan meets up with Andrea too and confronts her. Thank
Speaker 1: you about the affairs.
Speaker 2: So let us talk about.
Speaker 1: Another moment for Amy and her theory.
Speaker 2: Of this is where it began for me. In this
Speaker 2: episode again, they have a first of all, he tells
Speaker 2: her he doesn't keep it. He's not a jerk about it.
Speaker 2: He's a really really good friend to her. He's not
Speaker 2: accosting her with the information, if that's the right word.
Speaker 2: He's just very I'm here. Let's talk about it if
Speaker 2: you want to.
Speaker 3: Okay, may I interject? Wait, so there is I know
Speaker 3: what you're talking about. There's some feeling, there's a chemistry
Speaker 3: that he projects towards her that's different than with like
Speaker 3: other relationships.
Speaker 2: Correct, they're very it's close. It is a real mutual
Speaker 2: respect between them.
Speaker 1: He's not more grounded like it feels very adult.
Speaker 2: He's not giving her a kind Yes, he's very loving
Speaker 2: towards her always Wow, and we will discuss later. It's
Speaker 2: very affectionate with him.
Speaker 3: I feel it. I know what you're saying now. I
Speaker 3: was so against it, like there's.
Speaker 2: Something but there could have been, Like I get it.
Speaker 2: We didn't do that, but like I wish they would have,
Speaker 2: because he genuinely cares about her so much. She has
Speaker 2: always respected him, she has always valued him, She has
Speaker 2: always known how smart he is. They have this sort
Speaker 2: of like leveled up relationship. So anyway, we'll talk about
Speaker 2: it more as it goes on, because then it really
Speaker 2: gets real.
Speaker 1: Then we see David going to Lenny's room and trying
Speaker 1: to convince him to not leave.
Speaker 3: Campus, and he says, give me a day. I'm going
Speaker 3: to work it out, give me a day. What's he
Speaker 3: gonna do? What?
Speaker 1: I have a question going back to the the Dylan
Speaker 1: Andrea thing. First of her, First of all, her hair
Speaker 1: was like perfection, right out of a hair catalog.
Speaker 2: Would you do that?
Speaker 1: Like, would you guys do that? Would you step in
Speaker 1: if you saw a friend of yours that you care
Speaker 1: about deeply having an affair with somebody or pooling around
Speaker 1: with somebody besides their spouse, would you do.
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think I would say because he's not telling her
Speaker 3: not to do it. He's just telling her he knows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think for her, I think I
Speaker 2: maybe would. It only puts you in the weird position
Speaker 2: if the other one comes to you and so is
Speaker 2: my wife cheating on me, then you're like, OK, no,
Speaker 2: I'm screwed. No, But I think he did the right
Speaker 2: thing by saying I saw you. He's really not saying
Speaker 2: stop it or do it. He's just like, judge, you
Speaker 2: want someone to listen.
Speaker 3: Because imagine what that must be like to only be
Speaker 3: able to keep that inside and have nobody you feel
Speaker 3: you can talk to about it. So the fact that
Speaker 3: he's there must be a huge relief for her.
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't have liked it if he didn't tell her.
Speaker 2: That would be so like dishonest to what I'm talking
Speaker 2: about with their friendship. Their friendship is very deep in
Speaker 2: my opinion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that, that's true. I was on the fence
Speaker 1: about it. If I would do that personally, I probably would.
Speaker 2: But right, you only get into hot water if you're
Speaker 2: in the middle.
Speaker 3: But that's something about me. You would have come and swinging,
Speaker 3: But well.
Speaker 1: For you, yeah, uh, this is the thing though, Dylan's
Speaker 1: really good at helping people, Like I feel like he
Speaker 1: genuinely loves to help people, which is such a cool character.
Speaker 1: That is something about this character that he brought.
Speaker 5: To it, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just especially her, and the same for her with him.
Speaker 1: Okay, we get it, Amy, I want Dylan and Andrea together.
Speaker 2: I really would have loved to see it happen. I
Speaker 2: think they could have been.
Speaker 3: An endgame three point five people and you.
Speaker 2: Could have anyway. I digress, but continue.
Speaker 1: Did anybody notice how tall Brian got? Like he hit
Speaker 1: a growth spurt. There was one point where he was
Speaker 1: in a scene with Jason, David and Brandon were any
Speaker 1: scene together and David is towering over him. I think
Speaker 1: it was at the at the wallsh house that's coming up.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did kind of notice that.
Speaker 3: Wait, you think.
Speaker 2: We talked to Lenny?
Speaker 1: Yes, right, Amy, guys still are growing when they're I
Speaker 1: grew so yeah. Really yeah, I literally feel like he
Speaker 1: hit puberty between the last episode and this episode, Like
Speaker 1: that was it.
Speaker 3: He changed a little, like.
Speaker 1: Spurt, that's why they call it the spur.
Speaker 2: At the time the ten years, he really changed a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he became a man. Yeah, and then we go
Speaker 1: to the beach house where David shows up and Donna
Speaker 1: is furious with him for getting rid of Ray. She
Speaker 1: they wait, they are really screaming at each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was really tory. Yoh, because you really both
Speaker 2: you and Brian really bring it in this episode, because
Speaker 2: that was a crazy fight.
Speaker 3: I was like, so I came in hot, and I
Speaker 3: was like, wait, am I gonna have levels? Like am
Speaker 3: I coming in too hot? Too fast? Thing? Like you
Speaker 3: want to build? But like it was okay because they're
Speaker 3: both like fired up.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of emotion between these two, like pent
Speaker 1: up feelings literally.
Speaker 3: Sexual tension. There's I mean, imagine like every friendship, it.
Speaker 1: Just reached its boiling point.
Speaker 3: Right. I can't believe he called her what do you say?
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't even say it. You say it amy insensitive.
Speaker 3: You've become a.
Speaker 1: Self involved bitch.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a version of what you used to be.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I know, that's so funny, that's
Speaker 3: ironic because I'm really pale right now. When like the
Speaker 3: Mac like you would put on like a shade, two shades,
Speaker 3: like lighter than your face, and it was so in
Speaker 3: And I was like literally, I'm so cr okay this Gil.
Speaker 2: First of all, that fight was a big miss understanding, right,
Speaker 2: because it's like, yes, David didn't like fight for Ray,
Speaker 2: but he isn't the cause of this now. But he
Speaker 2: went really too far there at the end because I
Speaker 2: haven't noticed that Donna. First of all, yes, because we
Speaker 2: know more right, we know that Valerie is just backstabbing
Speaker 2: Donna so hard and her best friend's been in a
Speaker 2: cult like Donna's sort of just been like oh, and
Speaker 2: I don't think Donna's become anything less than she always was,
Speaker 2: which is always the voice of reason, kind, loving, loyal.
Speaker 2: So it's like she's loyal to Ray because she picked
Speaker 2: him even if she shouldn't be.
Speaker 3: But she's not as passive as maybe David knew her.
Speaker 3: Like she's grown up a bit. She's a really good
Speaker 3: point a little bit, and maybe he's taking that as
Speaker 3: her being selfish because she's stronger.
Speaker 2: That's a great point to her.
Speaker 3: I don't know, she is stronger.
Speaker 2: That's and you stood up to Kelly a little bit,
Speaker 2: like don't quit school. Yeah, you're finding your voice a bit. Good,
Speaker 2: good point.
Speaker 1: I mean that was a great scene acting fight, The
Speaker 1: fight I have written down. That was a great fight.
Speaker 1: I like Claire shirt, the sequence shirt, but I would
Speaker 1: say it, Yeah, I was just gonna say it. You
Speaker 1: should never talk about my haircuts after that haircut.
Speaker 3: But in all fairness, yours was a choice. I told
Speaker 3: you that.
Speaker 1: Wait, wasn't a choice.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I went in and I had like my little bob thing,
Speaker 3: and he got confused and he chopped.
Speaker 1: It like a boy like boy, Well, how do you
Speaker 1: know that didn't happen to me?
Speaker 4: Jen?
Speaker 3: Was there an accident?
Speaker 1: I was distracted because I was laughing.
Speaker 3: Oh, those little curls. I'm just like that probably took
Speaker 3: so long to put those whole half curls all over.
Speaker 2: I had short hair because of you too.
Speaker 1: It's getting shorter and shorter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I blame you guys. Short hair was sort of
Speaker 2: in and this time I think or you guys made
Speaker 2: it literally.
Speaker 3: With the suspenders and the thermal look.
Speaker 1: Then we cut to a scene where the someone scary
Speaker 1: is packing up a duffel bag and he's putting in
Speaker 1: a knife and a rope.
Speaker 2: Wait till we talk about him breaking in. He's like,
Speaker 2: ye tell me when we get there.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now we're going to go to the peach pit,
Speaker 1: and we're going to see Cindy trying to play matchmaker
Speaker 1: for Jackie, who I was so happy to see. She's
Speaker 1: always so such a vision on camera. She's so pretty.
Speaker 1: She says that she has been married four times and
Speaker 1: she's kind of done with that. But then Old Mail
Speaker 1: walks in with Aaron and Jackie starts flirting with him.
Speaker 2: This was so random and yet so welcome. I was like,
Speaker 2: I love Cindy setting up and she was going to
Speaker 2: go on the town and she's setting her up.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: Mel. I'm not even mad at Mel. I want them
Speaker 2: to be back together.
Speaker 1: I know, right, I could feel the chemistry between those two, like, wait,
Speaker 1: they barely did anything, and I mean Jackie and Mel, they.
Speaker 2: Might as well be back.
Speaker 1: They were just sure, yes, yes, they were in hardcore.
Speaker 2: I don't think you've given a spoiler. Yes, And this
Speaker 2: is they might as well be back together already. After
Speaker 2: that scene, I was like, you, I like it. I
Speaker 2: like when they are not getting along, it was annoying.
Speaker 2: So he's already a little too slick, so it's like
Speaker 2: he needs to be perfect for each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then this is the scene back at the Walsh
Speaker 1: House where Brandon tells Cindy, which I really like. I
Speaker 1: enjoyed a mother son chit chat from these two. I
Speaker 1: kind of want to see more of that. But this
Speaker 1: is the scene where Brian comes in and he's towering
Speaker 1: over Brandon. David comes in and he's towering over Brandon,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, man, they should have like
Speaker 1: didn't they usually put apple boxes? Yeah, people to like
Speaker 1: level out the playing field a little bit, because on
Speaker 1: his over shoulder he was like looking up.
Speaker 2: Wow, I agree with you, Jenny that I would like
Speaker 2: a little more Walshes. We're missing the Walshes a bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, maybe that's why I love that scene so
Speaker 2: much with Missus Walsh and your mom.
Speaker 1: It was so.
Speaker 2: Cute and different and we Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Would like a little more of that, I think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we miss the Elders.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then we're back at the door. No wait, first we
Speaker 1: have to go to Andrey and Jesse. Oh god, this
Speaker 1: scene was I think and is being so annoying. I
Speaker 1: just it was a lot of yelling between David and
Speaker 1: now Jesse and Andrea are yelling at each other.
Speaker 2: That's so like my tongue in and painis Bill and
Speaker 2: it was just like God. And then she storms out
Speaker 2: and goes to.
Speaker 1: Like she tells them so tune up the car. Though
Speaker 1: before he.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you for I literally was like,
Speaker 2: how does he know how to tune up a car?
Speaker 2: And second of all, what cars need tune ups?
Speaker 5: Like the car?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't have Jippy Loube. Apparently that was.
Speaker 2: It was necessary, but it was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: what are we? This is I didn't sign up for this?
Speaker 1: Oh I don't.
Speaker 2: I was in hook Line and Singer, but I didn't
Speaker 2: sign up for Mayor Woes on nine o two one.
Speaker 1: But yeah, So then we go to the dorms where
Speaker 1: Brandon goes to talk to Lenny. Lenny tells him that
Speaker 1: the cops are not doing a good job with the investigation,
Speaker 1: and he actually knows, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, braved melody, don't, don't, don't.
Speaker 2: This guy who's already kind of got a record is
Speaker 2: going to withhold that kind of information. Absolutely not. That
Speaker 2: was bananas. Yeah, maybe he was just scared, but yeah,
Speaker 2: Brandon explains later, but.
Speaker 1: Did you guys feel that this was a big an
Speaker 1: expensive episode?
Speaker 4: Did?
Speaker 3: In fact?
Speaker 1: I felt like they were on location a lot like
Speaker 1: outside I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just felt like those extra happenings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when did this episode?
Speaker 2: When did this air?
Speaker 1: Ninety five March first?
Speaker 2: Not sweeps, But.
Speaker 1: This is where it gets crazy for me and for everybody,
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Back at the beach host on, it comes
Speaker 1: home and the lights don't work. So, Donna, did you
Speaker 1: come in the back door or the patio door? The
Speaker 1: other door?
Speaker 2: She definitely comes in the other door, like the wooden door.
Speaker 2: The front door is when I would call it. And
Speaker 2: he broke in through the back door in my opinion.
Speaker 2: So I remember going, Okay, she's going in a different door.
Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't matter what door she goes in because
Speaker 1: she it's trouble. Yeah, Garrett's there waiting for her, and
Speaker 1: he attacks her and he asks her to call him Warren.
Speaker 2: It was very aggressive too, and he likes so scary.
Speaker 2: It was so scary, it was terrifying.
Speaker 3: I just remember there being a lot more Oh you
Speaker 3: shot like tons? Yeah, there was tons of dialogue and
Speaker 3: tons of different There was a lot cut I saw
Speaker 3: him really, Yeah, it was, but it was more I
Speaker 3: felt like it was so good. It was because it
Speaker 3: was tightened up good. But there was we go into Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a lot more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a good job. Like, it's such so weird
Speaker 2: to talk about this because it was such a nice guy.
Speaker 2: We're talking about it like a show, right, because he's
Speaker 2: so good. He wasn't great leading up. He was sort
Speaker 2: of like I don't know, but this I was like,
Speaker 2: I believe this guy's psycho. This guy is so scary.
Speaker 2: This guy is totally a murderer rapist.
Speaker 3: So wait, so he is his real name Warren or
Speaker 3: does he have a split personality, Like yeah, that must
Speaker 3: be the yeah he goes into from Garrett Warren and
Speaker 3: now Warren on the Kay.
Speaker 2: What's crazy is it's twenty eight minutes into the episode
Speaker 2: when this happens.
Speaker 5: Like it was.
Speaker 2: A long scary scenes like it was long and if
Speaker 2: you shot more.
Speaker 1: Whoa, Yeah, it was just awful watching it was. It was.
Speaker 2: I do not know, Torri, how you did that?
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, thank goodness for Lifetime movies at that point.
Speaker 3: Oh my, I'm just kidding. They were I was prepared.
Speaker 1: You were channeling and other care women from Harold.
Speaker 3: Movies that we all filmed. It wasn't even Lifetime then,
Speaker 3: it was actually on prime time. It was like NBCCBS.
Speaker 3: You know and now and then Lifetime Yeah, yeah, ye,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it was always the women in peril and like,
Speaker 3: so we were prepped.
Speaker 5: Hay, Were you like w t F what seeing it
Speaker 5: for the first time like I was, And I was
Speaker 5: also angry, where the where's Kelly?
Speaker 1: She should be helping her? I just it was really
Speaker 1: hard to watch, and you did such a great job,
Speaker 1: but it made me so uncomfortable and I felt so
Speaker 1: triggered on behalf of all the young girls and even
Speaker 1: their moms watching it back then.
Speaker 2: That is hard to watch today as it was then.
Speaker 3: It's I have a question, Like I was wondering if
Speaker 3: in her mind she was like, Okay, if I tell
Speaker 3: him I'm a virgin, maybe he won't do it.
Speaker 2: Tell him the truth to see if it will do something.
Speaker 3: Maybe right, if that would help her in the moment,
Speaker 3: and maybe.
Speaker 1: You were so good though when they had that duct
Speaker 1: tape on your mouth, it was scary, But then when
Speaker 1: they took the duct tape off, it wasn't you know
Speaker 1: how they used to put the duct tape on and
Speaker 1: like make it not sticky, but then they wanted it
Speaker 1: to look like it was like sticky tape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I could possibly put these on our faces, right,
Speaker 3: so when it came off, you could tell it wasn't sticky.
Speaker 1: It would just like it didn't stick like it wasn't
Speaker 1: like rah.
Speaker 3: Yep, I'm remembering now, okay, But it was just.
Speaker 2: Like astounded at how good you were in the ripping.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I didn't even know about this storyline. I'm
Speaker 1: so great. So were you just like somebody else had
Speaker 1: to have bad things happened to them too?
Speaker 2: Were you, Jenny? Were you just like completely shocked watching this? Yes?
Speaker 1: I was saying, oh mg, no, Donna, I was talking
Speaker 1: yelling at the TV.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I I've seen this. This one definitely traumatized
Speaker 2: me then and now I'm like, oh god, oh god.
Speaker 2: But like seeing it for the first time, beat you
Speaker 2: being you that must have been like nuts. Did you
Speaker 2: watch it last night?
Speaker 1: I watched it last night.
Speaker 2: You've just seen this?
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, this is the this is a ten.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go for it right now. I'm already
Speaker 1: scoring it.
Speaker 2: That's a and Tory, what's it like rewatching it?
Speaker 3: I'd forgotten. I knew the storyline was coming up. I
Speaker 3: knew I got stocked. I didn't realize it was like
Speaker 3: time he tied her up and it was like a
Speaker 3: rape scene. It all came back like I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, Yeah, it.
Speaker 1: Was bigger than you remember it, right, yes?
Speaker 2: Uh can you remember preparing for this at all? This
Speaker 2: would have to be the most challenging work. I guess
Speaker 2: you've done. I mean, I guess those movies did prepare
Speaker 2: you and I do remember those, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, to me, this was like for the main event.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Nine O two one O, like where you're just oh
Speaker 1: my god, on the edge of your seat and you're saying,
Speaker 1: I love this show so much. Because then David comes
Speaker 1: in and done call's and Dave and and that was
Speaker 1: like her brilliant way to send him a signal that
Speaker 1: something was wrong, and because these two characters know each
Speaker 1: other so well, he picked up on it.
Speaker 3: He gets the baseball, which we had foreshadowing earlier. Why
Speaker 3: the baseball bat? Wait?
Speaker 2: I fully missed that. Was there a moment where you
Speaker 2: mentioned there's a baseball bat in the apartment? Oh my god,
Speaker 2: I fully miss save.
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. David comes in on the other door, right,
Speaker 3: sorry that I flip flopped, and he's like metal baseball
Speaker 3: bat basically, and Claire makes some reference to softball. Donna
Speaker 3: I was she, Oh my god, is this completely missed that? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was unwilling to go back to see what she
Speaker 3: meant by that, but I noted it.
Speaker 1: So they were just kind of laying the foundation there for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it could be weird if just all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, he came in with a baseball bat.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, David cracks him so hard, massive as Donna.
Speaker 2: You beat the crap was Donna's way.
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to kill him, Like I
Speaker 1: thought that's where the episode was going to go. He
Speaker 1: was going to die. Oh wait, just going.
Speaker 3: Back a little bit. Garrett aka Warren noted that Donna
Speaker 3: had taken self defense classes because remember oh yeah, season
Speaker 3: before I Do which when Brenda with Brenda was it
Speaker 3: two seas ago self defense? And Jason directed that episode
Speaker 3: and Donna went to action at the theme park. He
Speaker 3: knew that she had taken self defense classes, but he
Speaker 3: said she was gotten a little slow.
Speaker 2: That's weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's creepy, but maybe he's been one Daves hotel.
Speaker 2: He's not an amateur, was unafraid and came in there
Speaker 2: hot and ready to kick ass.
Speaker 1: Like he's so real too. That hit with a baseball bat,
Speaker 1: it looks so real.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: The doing these scenes is no joke, like because it
Speaker 2: was all real. And he comes in and he is
Speaker 2: mad and like ready to defend his woman and just rob.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: The thing is when I was calling out to him,
Speaker 3: so I heard the dave the first time, I was like, really,
Speaker 3: that was it. She only says it like that one time,
Speaker 3: like I don't know if that would be enough. Then
Speaker 3: she does second again. Thank god?
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I felt the same way. I was.
Speaker 3: Green, like be like, okay, Bob, Bob, because what if
Speaker 3: he was like huh said something weird and then he
Speaker 3: like killed her, Like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, thankfully it all worked out. I feel like
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a little ptsc from that though.
Speaker 2: And then that scene with the two of them, mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: He was sweet at the end.
Speaker 2: I was like, like my reaction to that was like,
Speaker 2: why are we bothering with them dating anybody else? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Are we going to have five more seasons for them
Speaker 3: to be back together? Like, but just like the again,
Speaker 3: we're talking about intimacy, Like the two characters the two
Speaker 3: actors like having that. It's something you can't like create that,
Speaker 3: like you see them together or even just subtle things
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, yeah, did we.
Speaker 2: When is the scene that I've been waiting to talk
Speaker 2: about also with Andrea and Dylan?
Speaker 3: Is it before this?
Speaker 1: Yes, no, we're coming to it because we go back
Speaker 1: to the to the hotel motel that.
Speaker 2: They had this crescendo of the episode fairly early in
Speaker 2: the episode.
Speaker 1: It was like three quarters of the way through it, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we get to this real moment in the middle.
Speaker 1: Before we go back to the hotel, we see Brandon
Speaker 1: go to the tell Claire that the rapist has been
Speaker 1: stalking her, and then they're their cops are coming and.
Speaker 2: They don't even know yet what's happening at the apartment.
Speaker 1: Nope. Wow mm hmm. Then we go back to the
Speaker 1: motel where Charlie offers Dylan the indie food, and then
Speaker 1: it becomes like a imitation of Indian people. Oh god, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that was that was like, oh cringey.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of those cringey moments.
Speaker 1: But then, of course Dylan is there at exactly the
Speaker 1: right time, and he sees Andrea and Peter back at
Speaker 1: the motel, where Andrea is professing her love for him
Speaker 1: and saying that she thinks that they should leave their spouses.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's just the tail as old as time is
Speaker 2: what it is. Yeah, yeah, and it's I'm glad it's
Speaker 2: blowing up because I couldn't.
Speaker 3: Go on with this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I didn't. I don't want to see any
Speaker 1: more of that. Nobody.
Speaker 2: Peter really comes through as a jerk.
Speaker 1: He really does, because he thought this was like a whole,
Speaker 1: no strings attached thing and says he's not going to
Speaker 1: leave his wife because she's putting him through school, who he.
Speaker 2: Had complained about to such an extreme just like two
Speaker 2: weeks ago. But I'm like, you literally hated her two
Speaker 2: weeks ago, so I get it.
Speaker 1: But yet, really, yeah, he was just He says that
Speaker 1: he didn't promise her anything. He's not the bad guy.
Speaker 1: He didn't, he didn't.
Speaker 3: But still he really.
Speaker 1: Remember he kept saying like, let's run away and creating
Speaker 1: all these scenarios where she should trust him.
Speaker 2: Is that gaslighting? You know everyone talks about gaslighting.
Speaker 1: He kind of that's just lying.
Speaker 2: He definitely strung her along, Like I don't find.
Speaker 3: Her promising without promising a future.
Speaker 1: So what is that.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's a word for it. It's not gaslighting,
Speaker 3: because it's not I don't find something crazy.
Speaker 2: For feeling befuddled by the whole, like going, wait what
Speaker 2: like it was an abrupt turn.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I was with her.
Speaker 2: Going, this guy is gonna leave his wife for her?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So then when he just suddenly is like not only
Speaker 2: does he say it, he's a d word about it,
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm done with you a day.
Speaker 1: I'm imagining that they like turned up the volume on
Speaker 1: that on his character there just so that they could
Speaker 1: have an end.
Speaker 2: Yes, they had to because we were all like, we
Speaker 2: like him, Yeah, together, we had to get rid of him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Dylan is there too, Console Andrea.
Speaker 2: Guys that you cannot tell me those two are not
Speaker 2: in love with each other like that.
Speaker 1: It's a great scene. It was. It was a great
Speaker 1: show overall. Really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Yes, because like they were so connected. He is so
Speaker 2: he is the boyfriend that comes running to save her
Speaker 2: from her a stake, and he's the way he hugs her,
Speaker 2: the way they I am obsessed with them.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's her David, he's her David, working.
Speaker 1: I just see them as really good friends. I don't
Speaker 1: see I don't see the chemistry that you guys are
Speaker 1: talking about. I just see them as like friends, like real.
Speaker 2: Would you have just been like no, if they would
Speaker 2: have just suddenly started kissing, it wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Have worked for me, just because, yeah, I know, you
Speaker 1: can put yourself out of it.
Speaker 3: You're you, You're Kelly.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: But even as Kelly, I just as a viewer, I
Speaker 1: don't see what you're talking about. I see him being
Speaker 1: the greatest friend to her and like a big brother
Speaker 1: to her, watching out for her, being kind to her.
Speaker 1: I never ever, ever saw even the glimpse of sexual attention.
Speaker 3: I was very against it too. I don't even know,
Speaker 3: just physically like the idea of the two of them.
Speaker 3: But then when Amy explained it, I'm like, oh, some
Speaker 3: and I think.
Speaker 2: Because you're Kelly and we know, yes, they are meant
Speaker 2: to be Kelly and Dylan, and they were any back.
Speaker 1: Kelly and Dylan at all. And that's not even with this.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about that. I'm just talking about what
Speaker 1: I've seen as a viewer, right, I'm not seeing what
Speaker 1: you're seeing. But that's the great thing about the show.
Speaker 1: Is that it's all, you know, subjective, and.
Speaker 3: I feel it more from him to her than oh
Speaker 3: my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I was just about to say that.
Speaker 1: But what you're feeling is like kindness, and that can
Speaker 1: be mistaken for feelings of a different kind. But I
Speaker 1: really don't see it possibly true. You might be right
Speaker 1: to let listeners let us.
Speaker 3: Know, and more than three of you, please please.
Speaker 1: Weigh in on the Dylan Andrea.
Speaker 2: I like see where you're coming from.
Speaker 3: Best friends like, but if Amy hadn't like said the
Speaker 3: word intimacy, like there is something intimate about their relationship.
Speaker 2: Yes, I and Tori, I agree with you. I think
Speaker 2: he loves her. Yeah, this is weird, and I think
Speaker 2: she just would never it's the it's the it's the
Speaker 2: quarterback has fallen in love with the nerd. Do you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? Yes, like he loves it's what's
Speaker 2: that Freddy Print's movie with uh ah Rachel all that.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's the she usually cook.
Speaker 2: I don't know there's something there where I'm like, he
Speaker 2: loves her.
Speaker 1: Man anyway, It's just fun and I'm so here. I'm
Speaker 1: so glad you're in. We uh We have another episode
Speaker 1: next week. It's called Oh this is Unreal World.
Speaker 2: Is anyone exhausted from this one?
Speaker 3: Ah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need like a little break. It was a
Speaker 1: lot to process and just like when it was over,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it happened. Same and then where do
Speaker 1: you go from there? Like how does don ever feel
Speaker 1: safe again in the apartment?
Speaker 2: And Tory, can you look at that performance and go
Speaker 2: ouh pretty good?
Speaker 3: Oof? I have to close my eyes and.
Speaker 1: Say it, yes, yeah, yeah, you have to close your
Speaker 1: eyes to compliment yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know that's hard for me. But I
Speaker 3: watched it and I was like, oh, I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: scared to watch this. And I watched I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: it was good. Good.
Speaker 2: That makes me think about like I think about like
Speaker 2: justin Timberlake's new song and he's always like kind of
Speaker 2: listening to his own song and like you see musicians
Speaker 2: all the time like I'm hearing my own song and
Speaker 2: I'm jamming to it. I'm good. But actors are always.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, I can't watch myself, like yeah, it's so true.
Speaker 2: Interesting thing, right dance Next.
Speaker 3: Week Unreal World is that the one where we do
Speaker 3: the faux real world in the beach permit.
Speaker 1: Yes, I believe so, Oh my god, I forgot about this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was literally, Oh my gosh, MTVS.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 3: Real world? The real world?
Speaker 2: The real world?
Speaker 1: But was this a popular episode? Did you like the
Speaker 1: unreal World?
Speaker 3: Do you remember?
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 3: Guys not hated. I think they laughed at its favorite
Speaker 3: that like, we do a reality show within our show
Speaker 3: that like wasn't done back then, So there's something cool
Speaker 3: about it. But I think at the time people were like,
Speaker 3: what is happening?
Speaker 1: It was too meta for them.
Speaker 3: There you go. It still so good?
Speaker 4: Is well?
Speaker 1: That was a great episode. Love ten really hurt? How Yeah?
Speaker 1: You give it a ten? Ten ten ten.
Speaker 2: It's a ten ten ten because the scary storyline, Donna's
Speaker 2: storyline is a ten. Dylan and Andrea and Jesse ten
Speaker 2: and mel and Jackie. I gotta go ten.
Speaker 3: It was winning on every level.
Speaker 1: Exactly missed you?
Speaker 3: That was it? Oh yeah, it would have been.
Speaker 1: I didn't miss her, Oh I did. I had so
Speaker 1: much other things to keep me preoccupied.
Speaker 3: When does Jamie Walters come back?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, oh great question.
Speaker 3: Just two nights ago, someone stopped me on the street
Speaker 3: and they were like, oh wait wait, I live near
Speaker 3: your friend. And I was like, oh, who rap through it?
Speaker 5: And I was like.
Speaker 3: Jamie Walters, Oh yes, yes, do you still keep in
Speaker 3: touch with them? I said I do. And then he goes, okay, great,
Speaker 3: and then he goes, how's Kelly. I was like, Jenny's
Speaker 3: doing great? Am kidding? Wait?
Speaker 4: Who was this?
Speaker 3: Where was this? This was on Ventura in Woodland Hills
Speaker 3: after I got my hair done. And no it wasn't
Speaker 3: after I got my hair done. Sorry. I was with Stella.
Speaker 3: She was getting a piercing and the guy stopped and
Speaker 3: then he took and went to his car to get
Speaker 3: a camera to take a picture. And Sella was like,
Speaker 3: that was really creepy. I was like, no, it's okay.
Speaker 3: He's just that happens fans. It's hard for them sometimes
Speaker 3: to know the difference.
Speaker 1: I love that though.
Speaker 2: I love every second of that.
Speaker 1: Everybody, We will see you next week. Have a good one.