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Speaker 2: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable.

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Speaker 2: What is up everybody? I am your host, Chris Raybund

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Speaker 2: and this is the Fantasy Flex post Draft twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: three podcast. Me and Sean Kerner are gonna break down

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Speaker 2: all of the fantasy winners and losers at each position

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Speaker 2: as a result of the draft. So let me bring

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Speaker 2: in one of the top rankers in the game right now,

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Speaker 2: Sean Kerner. Sean, what's going on? How you How you

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Speaker 2: recovering off that screwballs?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, still recovering, but overall, had a good draft weekend.

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Speaker 3: Finished sixth in the accuracy contest on Fancy Pros. Hit

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Speaker 3: both of my draft props, and then I got to

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Speaker 3: watch rounds two and three with you. Although the screwball

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Speaker 3: had fun. Nonetheless, hopefully you had a very happy birthday weekend.

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Speaker 3: Too bad I wasn't you know able to be there Saturday,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thank you, thank you, and I sure did.

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Speaker 2: But now you know, just as fun as my birthday,

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Speaker 2: things like that. So we're gonna position by position we

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Speaker 2: past weekend's drafts. So let's start it off a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Who do you like as your winners as a result

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Speaker 3: I thought Anthony and Richardson was a winner. You know,

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Speaker 3: landing spot for Richardson. You know, he's going to get

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Speaker 1: So great landing spot. In terms of coaching.

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing Gardner Minshew will start this season at least

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Speaker 3: I thought there was a chance he was gonna end up,

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Speaker 3: Being the favorite to be the team the draft Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what about losers at QB.

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Speaker 3: just a terrible draft for Tannehill's stock. And you know,

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Speaker 1: So I just did not like this draft.

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Speaker 2: Funny you should say that because I just finished writing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, how can they think with their genius coach?

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Speaker 3: But real quickly, I just there weren't that many losers

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Speaker 3: Don't get me going on that because we're trying to

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Speaker 3: So it's just, you know, all bad.

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Speaker 1: For Matthew Stafford right now. Heading in the season.

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Speaker 3: love duce Vaughan and Mike comp for him as micromachine

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00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 3: version of Tony Pollard, which is ironic, but I love Ducevan.

435
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, like you said, that is a positive sign

436
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 3: for Pollard heading into the season. Again, we don't know

437
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 3: if like they're going to bring back Zeke, you know,

438
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 3: and a more team friendly dealer. Something more things can happen,

439
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 3: but as of now, Pallard looks locked in as an

440
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 3: RB one to start in the season.

441
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, you know, as we talk about

442
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 2: running back, the one guy that I kind of have

443
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 2: in the back of my mind is Kareem Hunt, Like,

444
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 2: oh yeah, where exactly he's gonna land. But wherever he

445
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 2: does that obviously is gonna probably impact you know, that

446
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 2: back the rest of the back of the team, his

447
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 2: back foot in some sort of way. So that's something

448
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 2: to keep in mind with the with these guys who

449
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 2: are saying, yeah, they don't really have any competition. You know,

450
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if a team like Arizona who's tanking

451
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 2: may do it, but you know, Dallas, I think that's

452
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 2: a you know, potentially a possibility. You know, a team

453
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 2: like that, even I mean, heck, even Baltimore. I think,

454
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 2: you know, some of the contenders I could see signing

455
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 2: a Kareem Hunt to kind of bolster their backfield. So

456
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: that that is something to kind of watch out for.

457
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: Same thing with like Eckler and Dalvin Cook, aren't they

458
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 1: sort of on the Yeah, they're.

459
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 2: Limb I think so what I'm hearing about ekwer and

460
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 2: it just seems to change all the time, But as

461
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: of now, it seems like they're actually trying to go

462
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 2: toward a resolution that keeps him on the Chargers and

463
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: then Cook, I don't know, they've been very you know,

464
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 2: that one's still touch and go. You know, I've been.

465
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 2: I've been hearing you know, they're essentially they're not certain

466
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 2: that they want to have them. I don't I don't

467
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: know why I would just kind of you know, I

468
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: mean Minnesota, I know they weren't as good as their

469
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 2: record last year, but they're still in a very kind

470
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 2: of winnable division in the very winnable conference. So I

471
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 2: don't know if I would just kind of be letting

472
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: go a Dalvin Cook right now. But you know, to

473
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: each his own, Madison's always been good. But who did

474
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 2: you think at running back? Were losers coming out of draft?

475
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Speaker 3: Well, I already mentioned it, but David Montgomery, you know,

476
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 3: just the Lions taking Gibbs at twelfth overall pretty much

477
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 3: means Montgomery is going to be, you know, an RB

478
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 3: three with RB two upside. If Gibbs were to get

479
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 3: injured has stuck to go up a bit after the

480
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 3: Lions traded away DeAndre Swift.

481
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Speaker 1: But again, this is going to be gives backfield.

482
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 3: So I thought it was a bad weekend for Dave

483
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 3: Montgomery all things considered. And then actually both Seattle running

484
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 3: backs Zach Charboney and Kenth Walker. This kind of reminded

485
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: me of you know, when the Jaguars had James Robinson

486
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 3: coming off his impressive rookie season, they drafted Trevis Etn in.

487
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: The first round.

488
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 3: It kind of, you know, hurt both players initially, and

489
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 3: I think that's what's going on here. It was surprising

490
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 3: to see Seattle, you know, take a second rounder like

491
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: Sharbonay when they already have Tamith Walker. So I think

492
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 3: this is still kennth Walker's backfield. But you know, Charbona

493
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 3: is definitely gonna eat into his workload enough to matter,

494
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 3: So you know, both running backs sort of take a

495
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 3: hit with Seahawks landing Sharbonay.

496
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I mentioned before, I think I don't Actually

497
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: the more I think about it, the more I'm actually

498
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 2: like not as confused by the pick, and I actually

499
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: kind of like it because again I think Seattle really

500
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: is relying on surrounding Gino Smith with you know, whatever

501
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 2: it takes for him to succeed. And I think one

502
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: of those things is a running game. And I think

503
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: especially with how talented Walker is, Like the Seattle run

504
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 2: blocking was thirtieth last year, but Seattle was top five

505
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 2: and running back yards for carry, so they rely on

506
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: their running backs to make plays even when their offensive

507
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 2: line is not is not necessarily opening big holes or

508
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 2: anything like that. So you know, the way they were

509
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 2: feeding Walker that was probably not sustain you know, he

510
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 2: was I think it was like twenty six, twenty three,

511
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 2: and twenty nine carries his last three games. You know,

512
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: he's playing like every snap. So, like I said, Sharbone

513
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: can play on passing downs. He could take the place

514
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: of Homer. He compliments Walker, who's like a home run hitter,

515
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: you know, Scharvee is a little more patient. I mean

516
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: sometimes he dances, So I actually think it's a very

517
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: good compliment. Like, but I agree, like the you know,

518
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: we're probably not going to see like those ninety percent

519
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: snap games for Walker anymore. And there's always a chance

520
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: that if Walker, you know, starts you know, kind of

521
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: losing yardage and kind of hit the home run and

522
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: you know that that they end up going you know,

523
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: away from him more than they would if it was

524
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: just like DJ Dallas and and homer on on the

525
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: roster behind him.

526
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll have to see how this impacts their ADP.

527
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I wouldn't draft either, but you know,

528
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 3: if if they're ADP falls, either one of them has

529
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: you know, potential I should say just Kenth Walker has

530
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: potential RB one value. Charonnet has potential RB two value

531
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 3: if Walker are gone. So they both are going to

532
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 3: carry some massive injury upside. So I'm not saying I

533
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 3: wouldn't draft them, but this certainly being both of their stock.

534
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, after that, Walker's still going in a lot of

535
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: spots as a top ten running back, and like, I mean,

536
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: the talent is there, I get it. But yeah, that's

537
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: that's when I doubt he's going to become quite that

538
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: high in my projections, just because of you know, kind

539
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: of accounting for the risk.

540
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: Of Yeah, Walker is still legit, but Charvion A is

541
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 3: legit too. They have two legit running backs. It's a

542
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 3: good problem for that. I like it.

543
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 2: I like it, Yeah, I like it for that, I like.

544
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: It for them, I like it for them exactly.

545
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. So for me, I mean, I'll go with the

546
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: obvious Tyler Algear. You know, he we were thinking of

547
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 2: Priby drafting him as an RB two and he's still going,

548
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: you know, right right around that top twenty five on

549
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: the on the fringe. But b John Robinson comes in.

550
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 2: He's the eighth overall pick. You don't draft a running

551
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: back eighth overall to to you know, put him in

552
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: a you know, a be the beast of a committee.

553
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: So Algier, I think he's going back to you know,

554
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 2: maybe he gets what was it who was it Huntley?

555
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: I think was maybe he gets that role you know

556
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: where it's like, uh, you know, they get him like

557
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: eight to ten carries because they run like thirty five times. Yeah,

558
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: So I mean I'm not saying his value is completely toast,

559
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: but compared to I mean, this guy was sladd He

560
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 2: was about to be like a Devonte Freeman, like, you know,

561
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: twenty carries, playing a ton of snaps. He really took

562
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: over down a stretch. So that was a massive hit,

563
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: you know where the Founders didn't really even need to

564
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: draft a running back at that spot in the draft.

565
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: I thought I thought they should probably have gone defense

566
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: because they were such a good running team. I think

567
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: they were top five and running DVOA anyway, So you

568
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: know that, you know, I get it. You know, that's

569
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: their identity. They want to be as good as anyone.

570
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: They want to be the best running team in the league.

571
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: So s yeah, that pans out. Interestingly enough, their win

572
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: total went up to eight and a half after the draft,

573
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: despite a lot of people kind of panning it. So

574
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, somebody, somebody's bullsh the Falcons besides me,

575
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: but also another loser, Rashad Penny. You know, I thought

576
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: that was pretty intriguing when he landed in Philadelphia, could

577
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: you know, potentially take over that Miles Sanders role we've

578
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: seen at times Penny, you know, look like the best

579
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: running back in the league, super explosive, would be the

580
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: best line he ever ran behind in his career. But

581
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 2: now Philadelphia against DeAndre Swift, and we already saw how

582
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: Philadelphia they don't really have allegiance to any one running back,

583
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: Like we saw that more and more down the stretch

584
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: and the playoffs were like we all can Yeah, Miles

585
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: Sanders is going to like retain his his workload, and

586
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: it was just like now Boston Scott, now was he

587
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: was the other guy gain Well, you know, And it's

588
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: the it's the worst part with them is sometimes it's

589
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: hard to predict too exactly when and how they're going

590
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: to use those guys. So, you know, DeAndre Swift is

591
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: a very talented runner. Penny is a talented runner. I'm

592
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: not saying either one of them necessarily takes a backseat

593
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: to the other. They can do different things, but that's

594
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: kind of the issue. It could be a fifty to

595
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: fifty split. And we've seen Philadelphia, uh, you know, mixing

596
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: a third back for much of the year as well,

597
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: so this is, uh, it's a sticky situation, especially with

598
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: Hurts there also you know, taking a lot of the

599
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: of the rushing production as well. So, yeah, Penny downgrade

600
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: for me after the draft.

601
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously just a big hit for Penny, all all

602
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: the running backs. I still think Penny can still you know,

603
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: have a couple of big runs in a limited workload,

604
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: but it was definitely crippling for Kenny Gainwell. I thought

605
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: he had some upside hitting the season, but you know,

606
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: Swift will probably take over most of those receiving duties,

607
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: but how much you want to after all this Boston

608
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: scott is their first touchdown score this year.

609
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: Give me like four to one odds on that vibe

610
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:47,239
Speaker 1: go one.

611
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would probably give you like again, I'd have

612
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: to go. I mean yeah, i'd have to. The book

613
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: would give you like like it'd be like, it'll be

614
00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: like plus fifty bullshit on it. I get a better No,

615
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: you're not.

616
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: Though. They also have Trey Sermon, so who knows, you

617
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: know what's going.

618
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: To happen here, But yeah, Trey Sermon is not doing anything.

619
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: I know that. Well, this is like forty niners East,

620
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,239
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying there's a lot here.

621
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I do think I think if I

622
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: had to project the way the roles would kind of

623
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: shake out, I think Swift would be the guy they

624
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: go to, you know, early in the game, and he's

625
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: playing a little more when the game is still in

626
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: doubt and they have more passing situations, and then if

627
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: they get up by you know, multiple scores wait in

628
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: the game. I think Penny comes in as a little

629
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: more of a hammer. You know, he's not as good

630
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: in the past game, but he's a big athletic guy.

631
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: Who can explode, and especially if the defense is tired

632
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: already from chasing Jalen Hurts around. I think that makes sense.

633
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: So I mean, geez, Philadelphia, the rich really got richer,

634
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: and I was like, yo, I was getting ready to

635
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: fade Philly. I'm like, all right, you know, Philly probably

636
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: peaked last year and then I mean they knocked his

637
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: draft out the park.

638
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: So well, yeah, you know, phil kicked ass this draft.

639
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: But the other thing with Swift is I don't know

640
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: if he's going to get much goal line work. If anything,

641
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: he's going to be the one pushing Jalen hurts Ass

642
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: into the end zone. Fortunately, you don't get points for that.

643
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: So to be fair, though, I feel like Philadelphia actually

644
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: didn't really discriminate, Like it was just whoever whatever running

645
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: back was in the game at the time they were

646
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: at the goal line, which was often because you know,

647
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: game Well had a time where he was getting some

648
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: touchdowns Boston Scott. I just feel like they want to

649
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: rotate guys and whoever's in it. It's like remember the

650
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: old Patriots used to do that with Lewis and Blunt,

651
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: and you know, like it's just whoever's in the game.

652
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: Burkett Whoevers in the game, you get to carry. I

653
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: think Philadelphia might end up doing that. So maybe Swift

654
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: will have a little more goal line usage than you

655
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: would otherwise expect for a guy who's probably gonna play

656
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: more and passing downs. But that's that's just kind of

657
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: a gut feel. I'm not I can't like, that's just

658
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: kind of how I see a point out. All right,

659
00:31:54,840 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: let's go to wide receiver. And you know, even with

660
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: the kind of I guess somewhat underwhelming wide receiver quest,

661
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: I still think a lot of interesting things happen that

662
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: are going to have a fancy impact. So what he

663
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: got for winners at wide receiver?

664
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: So the first one was Rashi Rice.

665
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: Just the fact that he landed in Kansas City just

666
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: massive for his value, great landing spot. You know, they

667
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: lost Juju and Mikol Harban, so the wide receiver room

668
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: is wide open. I loved Rice heading into the draft.

669
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: He gave me, you know, Chris Godwin vibes like that's

670
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: that's the type of receiver I think he could be.

671
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: So now he has a shot to be mahomes number

672
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: two or number three target this season. So I thought

673
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 3: that was an excellent landing spot for him. I love

674
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: Jonathan Mingo's landing spot going to the Panthers in the

675
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: second round. He's another prospect I loved heading into the draft.

676
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: He's big, athletic. I think his ranger outcomes is like

677
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: Laviska Chanault to Deebo Samuel. That's what we're talking about here.

678
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: He's very good with the ball in his hands. I

679
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: think he landed a great situation in Carolina because you

680
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: know he could end up being Young's top target. We

681
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: already talked about Adam Feelin. No clue if he's washed

682
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: or not, but you know he's the number one wide

683
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: receiver heading in the season. They have Hayden Hurst, so

684
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 3: he doesn't have much competition to leap frog these guys

685
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: and become the top target. So love that landing spot

686
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: for Mingo. And then the dark horse pick for me

687
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 3: is Justin Shorter who went to the Bills in the

688
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: fifth round. He's out of Florida. I just thought this

689
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: was a great landing spot for him because you know,

690
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: he's tall, athletic. Nothing really off the charts with him,

691
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: but he seems like gave davis is backup, So if

692
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: gave Davis were to go down, you know, Shorter would

693
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: probably the guy that replaces him. So, well, he's not

694
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: a guy that we should be drafting. He's at least

695
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: somebody to keep on a radar just because he's in

696
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: this Bills offense. So he could be more of the

697
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 3: long term plan for Gabe Davis if he pans out.

698
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: So that was definitely an exciting landing spot for him.

699
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: And he's caught passes from a mobile gunslinger like Josh Allen.

700
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: He was, you know, catching patches from Anthony Richardson at Florida.

701
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: So I just think he's a good fit this offense,

702
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: and you know, he has a ton of upside when

703
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: just going to the Bills.

704
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the Bills, I mean, they had somewhat of

705
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 2: a curious draft too, and it still seems like, you know,

706
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: they're they're gonna need like another wide receiver at some

707
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: point to step up. So maybe he's the guy. So yeah,

708
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: I think that's interesting a guy I have my eye

709
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: on as well. For me, it's it's Jordan Addison going

710
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: to the Vikings in you know, early in the draft,

711
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: because you know mentioned Adam Thielen, and that does leave

712
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: a void there even though Delan wasn't you know, producing

713
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 2: at his normal levels that he was when he was

714
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: peaking at the peak of his career, he still averaged

715
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: six point three targets per game four point one receptions

716
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: per game in Minnesota. Let's not forget third in pass

717
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: attempts last year with six hundred and seventy two. So

718
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: there's quite a lot of bit of upside. And I

719
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 2: think Addison has a pretty good shot at starting right

720
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 2: away from day one. And I mean that the track

721
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: record of the Vikings lately with the wide receivers, I mean,

722
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: Jefferson was good, Osborne exceeded expectations, So uh, you know,

723
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 2: I got, I got. I think that's a pretty solid

724
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: landing spot where, you know, even if he's not a

725
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: monster right off the bat efficiency wise, I think there's

726
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: a lot of volume that kind of pads his floor

727
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: and raises his ceiling. And yeah, again, really good chance

728
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: to start from day one on a high volume pass offense.

729
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 2: So I love Addison there. He's already going as a

730
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: wide receiver for in Fantasy draft four or five, like

731
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: a wide receiver forty four, and I actually have no

732
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: problem with it if you like his upside you know,

733
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: I think I think Osborne kind of is what he is.

734
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if Osworn necessarily takes that jump into

735
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: that next you know, jumps up. I think the fact

736
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: that they took Addison signals that they want to keep

737
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: Osborne in his current role and they want, you know,

738
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: an upgrade on feeling. So I think it's just it's

739
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: just a very kind of mouth ordering proposition here. Yeah.

740
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: Another qv that won this weekend was kirk Cousins because

741
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: they were kind of linked to hen and Hooker or

742
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: potentially Levis, but they got Jordan Addison, Scenelia is justin Jefferson,

743
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: Jordan Edison and TJ. Howkinson YEP, with Nick Mullens backing

744
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: him up. So kirk Cousins came away the weekend of winner.

745
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Three three h three sons wide receiver. That's crazy.

746
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:33,479
Speaker 2: It's like Jefferson, Addison and Hackens sons a lot of sons. Wow,

747
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: and funny because Kirk Cousins as well. In the sun

748
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: and when the sun is down, but Strailan burks under

749
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 2: the radar. Winner for me because we kind of hinted

750
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 2: at you know, Tannehi is probably a loser, but you

751
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: got to go to the other side of that now

752
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: and say, well, Tennessee didn't draft a wide receiver until

753
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: the seventh round, and that was Colton Dowell out of U. T. Martin.

754
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: I don't think I've seen it film, have you.

755
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 1: I have a little bit actually, nothing to discuss. Okay,

756
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: nothing to discuss.

757
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: Is he Is he better or worse than Michael Bandy

758
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 2: as a receiver?

759
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: Oh close? Uh, he's in a worse offense. I'm gonna

760
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say with better, that's how bad I think

761
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: Bandy is.

762
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: Well, they think, well, they they definitely need like another

763
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: I mean Westbrookakina. I think Phillips, you know, showed some

764
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 2: good chemistry with Tannehill. He only really played one game

765
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: and he had six catches.

766
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: And any yeah he got with what the hamstring?

767
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I to go. He ended up playing a like

768
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 2: three more games and he was hurting all of them

769
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: at some point. But yeah, they need another guy, uh,

770
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: But they didn't get one. And so Traymond Burks has

771
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 2: like this low key potential to be like an AJ

772
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: Brown type of target hog for them, you know. And

773
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's his talented at AJ Brown, but

774
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: there's a couple of things that I found interesting about

775
00:37:54,360 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: Burkes because remember how poorly his rookie uh you know career,

776
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: his career really started, but he was he came on.

777
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 2: He ended up being a top thirty in PFF grade

778
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: at wide receiver his last five healthy games, three of

779
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: them one hundred and eleven yards, seventy yards and sixty

780
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: six yards averaged fifty just over fifty yards, about fifty

781
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: three over his last five healthy games, which would extrapway

782
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 2: to about nine hundred over the season. So and that's

783
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: not even counting that these you know, these highly drafted

784
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 2: wide receivers tend to make their biggest leap in year two.

785
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: Nowadays he used to be year three, now it's year too.

786
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: So I mean Traylon Burks is actually set. Like I know,

787
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: it's a low volume offense, but you know that didn't

788
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 2: stop A. J. Brown. I think I think Trayland Burke

789
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: could give you like similar volume and yardage to Brown

790
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: because remember Brown never topped. I think it was like

791
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: one thousand and fifty yards for the Titans. He was

792
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 2: just he was just usually pretty efficient. But yeah, I

793
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: think Berks can kind of you know, come close to

794
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: one thousand yards and just you know, not not as

795
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: many touchdowns as a guy like Brown, but Burkes has

796
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: kind of shaping up to be like a post hype

797
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: sleeper kind of kind of guy, especially with the way

798
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: Tennessee went about the draft. And now, you know, I

799
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: think levis being the fact that he's an upgrade on

800
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: Malik Willis Josh Jobs at least we think, I mean

801
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: I would think he is. You know, I noticed that

802
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: Burke's a lot more efficient with Ryan Tannehill nine point

803
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: nine yards per target, sixty seven percent catch rate, and

804
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: then he was pretty bad with all the other guys.

805
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 2: So a lot of things to like about Traylon Burke's out,

806
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: you know suddenly, and I never mind. You know, I

807
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: know it's a low volume offense, but when you have this,

808
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: like one guy who could be a target hog in

809
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: that kind of offense, I'm still fine with taking him

810
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: because you know, there's always gonna be those games where

811
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: you know, somebody puts up, you know, thirty points on

812
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: you and you just have to you have to throw

813
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: the ball. There'll be quite a few of those games.

814
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think Traylon Burks came out of the

815
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: draft as the winner for sure.

816
00:39:59,480 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

817
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 3: Good time, I'm to buy in on him, and don't

818
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 3: forget about our boy Chicken Kwonku at tight end. You

819
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: know he's He's entering the season as a clear cut

820
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: tight end one. He flashed them upside as well, So

821
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 3: I think those two guys should be the top two

822
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: weapons in this offense.

823
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: Well, you just stole my thunder from oh no segment,

824
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: but I didn't see that. It's a good call. It's

825
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: a great call as long as as long as the

826
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: listeners know we're both on the same page, that's even

827
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: more powerful. So no, but I totally agree. Who you

828
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: got for before he gets the tight end? Who do

829
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: you got for? Losers at wide receiver?

830
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: So Alec Pierce is the first one for me.

831
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 3: Just the Colts will probably throw left once Anthony Richardson

832
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 3: takes over, So I think the pass catchers will offer

833
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: more value early in the season when Gardner Minshew is

834
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: presumably starting. Plus the Colts Allcelannah Josh Downs, who could

835
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 3: see a ton of volume in the slot. So it

836
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: seems like, you know, Alec Pierce is stuck. Took a

837
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: bit of a hit draft weekend. I also have Tyler

838
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 3: Lockett here. You know Lockett and dk Metcalf have been

839
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 3: able to dominate the target share the past few seasons,

840
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: but now they have a legitimate number three receiver in

841
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: Jackson Smith and the Jigba. That could ding both of

842
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 3: them just slightly. But Jackson Smith and Jigba will primly

843
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 3: primarily line up in the slot, so that could kick

844
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: lock It on the outside more, you know, making him

845
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: a little bit more inconsistent, maybe draw tougher coverage week

846
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 3: to week. Plus also Seattle drafting Charboni could suggest the

847
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: Seahawks are going to be a little bit more run,

848
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 3: heavier balanced. So you know, I never count lock It out,

849
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: but just after the draft weekend, you know, that didn't

850
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 3: help his stock. And then the last guy is DeAndre Hopkins,

851
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: just because there was rumors that Arizona was looking to

852
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: move him, you know for draft capital. But now that

853
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 3: the draft has coming gone, you know, that's one less

854
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 3: opportunity for him to get out of Arizona. I was

855
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: hoping he might end up somewhere like Buffalo. You know

856
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: that could still happen. Again, We're only dealing with the

857
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: information we have right now, but the fact that the

858
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: draft is over means it's more likely staying in Arizona,

859
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 3: which is going to be terrible. You know early in

860
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: the season. We don't even know who's starting for them

861
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: at this point, so that's brutal for you know, hopkins stock. Again,

862
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: if he gets traded before the season, that should help

863
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 3: or later in the season, but right now it does

864
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: look like you know, as of now, he's staying in Arizona,

865
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 3: which is bad for his stock.

866
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, because yeah, we don't know how how long Kyler

867
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: is going to be out, but you know, depending on

868
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: how the start of the season goes without him, you know,

869
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: if they're sitting here like two and eight or two

870
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 2: and you know one in the seven, do you really

871
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: bring you know, do you really rush him back? You

872
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: just say, hey, oh right, yeah.

873
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: I mean even Fulton McCoy is hurt too, so I

874
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: know they might have to sign like somebody, but yeah.

875
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: It's just not not great.

876
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: They might have to throw more as a result, but

877
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: you know, it could be Clayton Tom throwing. Either way,

878
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: it's a disaster for Hopkins at the moment.

879
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think wide receiver is always the one

880
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: where I'm always like, I'm always good at like being

881
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: pessimistic about wide receivers. Are people were too high on

882
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: So I got quite a few. Yeah, actually, so let

883
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: me start one of them. I didn't even write down,

884
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: but with you know, hearing you your Lockett take, I

885
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: actually have a bit of a difference of opinion on that.

886
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: I actually think the loser is Smith Nijigba in oh yeah, Seattle,

887
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: because he could have, you know, as the first wide

888
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: receiver taken. I think you and I were talking about this,

889
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: like the first wide receiver take is usually going to

890
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: a place where he's like the number one, number two,

891
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 2: you know, almost guaranteed one hundred plus targets, whereas I

892
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,479
Speaker 2: think he's a clear number three in in Seattle because

893
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 2: I think Tyler Lockett there were points where Tyler Locketo

894
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 2: was better than k Metcalf last year. So I don't

895
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: think Tyler lock is going anywhere like that. That's a

896
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: guy I think it was even last year, I was

897
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: like high on Tyler Locke. Everyone's kind of counting him out.

898
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: Like I agree, you never count him out. So like

899
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: I think Smith and Jigua great addition for Seattle, but

900
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: I think as if for this year, like that kind

901
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: of caps his rookie or upside more than almost any

902
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 2: other landing spot when when you're gonna, you know, kind

903
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 2: of go and you're probably gonna start, but you're gonna

904
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: be starting behind two of the best receivers in the game.

905
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: So I thought he was a loser. And by a

906
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: similar token, you know, you mentioned Alec Pearce, I think

907
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: Michael Pittman, who who still goes you know around, you know,

908
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: hot low end wide receiver two just outside the top twenty.

909
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: I think he may be a loser because I think

910
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: you and I also talked about this, but like there's

911
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: that Anthony Richardson risk of like he comes in and

912
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: they run this offense where he's throwing like twenty five

913
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: times a game, and yeah, he can waunch it, but

914
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: he's probably not gonna throw a ton of touchdowns. And

915
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: we already saw Michael Pittman kind of struggle to be

916
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: efficient last year and he had my Matt Ryan for

917
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 2: a lot of the year. So you know, Pittman always

918
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: worries me. The touchdowns have never been consistent. I really

919
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: love him as a player, but you know, they got

920
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor, like it just this this could end up

921
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: being like a super run heavy team. I just I'm

922
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 2: a it's a little rich For me, it just seems

923
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: a little risky at that spot in the draft, Like

924
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: I wish he was going outside, you know, the top

925
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: thirty and then you know, maybe he's a little bit

926
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: more of a value. But at this point, I do

927
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: think there's some risk attaches, especially when we don't really

928
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: have a great idea of the projection for games started yet.

929
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: Between Richardson and a guy like Gardner Minshew's. So as

930
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: of now, I'm a little bit you know, I mean,

931
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: I agree, I think Pierce too, I think all the

932
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: coast receivers. But yeah, because I think that Richardson risk

933
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: is kind of like you know when justin Fields first

934
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 2: starter or something like that, you know it's there, there

935
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: just might not be a lot of production to go around,

936
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: but you know there's another ton of other guys well

937
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: that that came to mind. So ra shat Bateman, you know,

938
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: he was at one point kind of Baltimore is number

939
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: one wide receiver, I guess, you know last year heading

940
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: into last year, a guy that could beat a lot

941
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: of different types of coverages. But now you got Jay

942
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: Flowers who could overtake him. Got Odell Beckham who you know,

943
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: will over will overtake him as long as he's healthy.

944
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: And then you still got Mark Andrews there, and we

945
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 2: even saw JK. Dobbins catching more passes down the stretch

946
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: last year. So suddenly Rashad Bateman, you know, goes from

947
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: you know, the number two option to potentially the fourth

948
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: maybe even fifth option. And that doesn't even take into

949
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: account the fact that he struggled to stay healthy throughout

950
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 2: his career. So you know, Baltimore going wide receiver in

951
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: the first round and kind of completing you know, their

952
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: their their their ride receiver corps more complete than it's

953
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 2: been in years. That that wasn't good for Bateman, our

954
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: boy Josh Palmer. Uh not great, not great, great, not great. Uh,

955
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: the Chargers go with uh TCU's wide receiving corps. Uh

956
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: in the draft, they go Quinton Johnson and then they

957
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: go Darius Davis. So uh, you know, Palmer I believe

958
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: does not play special team. So I mean, you know,

959
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 2: if if if their draft picks have like great camps

960
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: or something like that, there's a risk they end up

961
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: like moving Palmer or healthy, scratching him or something like that. Now,

962
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: maybe there's also something on the horizon with Williams or

963
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: Allen who knows, you know, but the Palmer seems like

964
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: the guy the odd man out, as I said, as

965
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: we stand now, and another guy that we both love

966
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: that I don't think the draft was great for it

967
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: was Romeo Dobbs, you know, number one. Obviously, you know

968
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: you're going from Rogers to love Probably not the greatest thing,

969
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: but Green Bay finally went ham on pass catchers. They

970
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 2: go tight end with Musgrave in round two, wide receiver

971
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: Jaden Reid in round two, tight end Tucker Craft in

972
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: round three, wide receiver, wide receiver Dantavian Wis in round five,

973
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: and wide receiver Grant de bos in round seven. So

974
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: just like you know, last year, we kind of liked

975
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: Dobbs because he had this path to playing time in

976
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: an uncertain Green Bay depth chart. It's like, well, now

977
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: you know, Christian Watson is going to be a factor,

978
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: but now you suddenly have all these other guys that

979
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: you know, kind of complicate things, and you know, Dobbs

980
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have like this clear uh you know, clear rolling.

981
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, man, it's you know, Watson maybe read starts

982
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: in the slot, but and Dobbs is that third guy.

983
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: But I mean, I think you know, Samori Terrey is.

984
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: Still there your boy.

985
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's showed some some flashes, but you know,

986
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: just with these pass catching tight ends and and the

987
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: way Dobbs did struggle at times to separate and and

988
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: and kind of make himself available to to Aaron Rodgers,

989
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 2: I think you know, I think last year was the

990
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 2: year where you would have liked to see him kind

991
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: of splash the way Watson did and kind of get

992
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: more of a stranglehold. Because now I will say that

993
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: I do think he's at a lot of risk even

994
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: if he's starting, you know, of falling to like that

995
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: like that fifth target out of five and kind of

996
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: being the guy that invisible more often than not. H So, yeah,

997
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: it didn't didn't love it for a boy Romeo Dobs there.

998
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, to be fair, Outside of Christian Watson, this swide

999
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: receiver depth chart's kind of a crap shoot. You know,

1000
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: Jadeen Reid, he's an excellent returner. I don't know if

1001
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: he can like become a full time starter, but just

1002
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 3: based on the depth chart, he might.

1003
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: So I think Dobbs still has a shot. But like

1004
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: you mentioned, this is a.

1005
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: Jordan love led Packers team not Aaron Rodgers, so it's

1006
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 3: not as sexy to be taking the number two or

1007
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: three target on the Packers anyway. So I agree it

1008
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 3: was not a good night for Romeo or weekend for

1009
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 3: Romeo Dobbs. Just going back to Jackson Smith and Jigbo

1010
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: though I do agree, I think it.

1011
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: Was a slight ding to his value.

1012
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 3: But like technically all the landing spots he was supposed

1013
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: to go to were not great, you know, like he

1014
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: was linked to the Patriots, that would have been a disaster.

1015
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: I think the Packers was probably the best fit for him.

1016
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 3: Like like we're saying he would have been the number

1017
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 3: two target, but again that's Jordan Love under center. We

1018
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 3: don't really know how good he'll be Chargers. He would

1019
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 3: have been the number three, you know, pass catcher there.

1020
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 3: So I think the Seahawks is, you know, a pretty

1021
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 3: neutral spot. I think he's a type of receiver that

1022
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 3: can't really be a number one. I compared him to

1023
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: Robert Woods on the Rams, not the Titans version of

1024
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: Robert Woods, the Rams version, So I think he's going

1025
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: to thrive as being a number two, number three. So

1026
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 3: I think if DK metcalf or Ty Lockett were to

1027
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: go down at one point in this season and he

1028
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 3: becomes a number two, that's going to be you know,

1029
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 3: maximum value for him.

1030
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: So I think he does have some upside on the Seahawks.

1031
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I do. I still like him. I mean

1032
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 2: he's yeah, town a guy, but like I just feel like,

1033
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, all those other spots I think

1034
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: he mentioned would have still been better than Cea. I mean,

1035
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: he's got the guys don't really get hurt that much. Yeah,

1036
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: I mean not to say they won't, but like they

1037
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 2: haven't really gotten hurt. He's a clear and like again,

1038
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: he's a I think that's the issue is that he's

1039
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: a clear three on on this team, whereas like there

1040
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: were other teams where he like, I don't think he

1041
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: has like any shot of like unseating Met Camerock. I

1042
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: just I just it's just he's not this year. Like,

1043
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: I just don't think that's how Yeah. So that that's

1044
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: that's my kind of thought process exactly.

1045
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: He's gonna need the injury.

1046
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 3: Like we were saying last year, Drake Lenon going to

1047
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 3: be the number one pass cutcher, Garrett Wilson going to

1048
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 3: be the number one pass cutcher.

1049
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: Like with Jackson Spenders.

1050
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 3: But it's like he's going to be the number three

1051
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: pass cutcher, which is odd for the top wide receiver drafted.

1052
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: But that's just that's how this class was this year

1053
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 3: and it's unfortunate. But next year should be much better

1054
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,439
Speaker 3: with Marvin Harrison Junior.

1055
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I never I never never

1056
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 2: sweep on wide receiver classes though, because sometimes it's the

1057
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: ones that they think, you know, aren't aren't great. But

1058
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: then you have a lot of these, like you know,

1059
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 2: Day two guys that just just go off. So I'm

1060
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's interest. I think it's gonna

1061
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: be interesting. I think a lot of these guys are

1062
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: going to get playing time right away, even if they're

1063
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: not necessarily their team's number one option. You know, a

1064
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: couple of those guys probably will potentially hate that role,

1065
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: you know, or or roll into that role. So still

1066
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 2: still I think an exciting, uh an interesting class. Uh yeah,

1067
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 2: it's close it out with tight end and who you

1068
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 2: got for winners?

1069
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: Gotta go with Samuel Porta.

1070
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 3: Uh you know, the Lions drafting him in the second

1071
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: round was this amazing landing spot.

1072
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: I was quizzing you to name the Lions tight end

1073
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: depth chart, James.

1074
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: Mitchell, brock Wright and who's the other guy? There was

1075
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: a third game LT. James Zilstra.

1076
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, So, I mean he doesn't have much competition.

1077
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: He's a great pass catching tight end, and they're gonna

1078
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 3: be without Jamis and Williams, uh, you know, for the

1079
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: first six games.

1080
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 2: So they were without Jamison and Williams for the entire

1081
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: season last year too. Even when he was playing without

1082
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 2: jameson he was quite the decaut, gotta.

1083
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: Admit, but you know he could be Jared Goff's number

1084
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: two target to.

1085
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 3: Begin the season. So I thought that was an excellent

1086
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 3: landing spot for him.

1087
00:52:59,760 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: Uh.

1088
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 3: The other winner was Luke Shoemaker. You know, the Cowboys

1089
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 3: kind of messed up a little bit. I shouldn't they

1090
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 3: messed up, but by not taking Michael Mayer, you know,

1091
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 3: they they were left with like the sixth or seventh

1092
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 3: tight end because there was a run on tight ends

1093
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 3: in the second round. It was a very deep class.

1094
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 3: So they ended up with Shoemaker, who who is legit.

1095
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 3: I think he's very Dalton Schultz like. So I thought

1096
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 3: this is a great landing spot. Anywhere else he would

1097
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: have been a top you know, the backup tight end

1098
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 3: at best, but I think he has real shot. Again,

1099
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 3: Dallas third titand depth chart is pretty weak, so he

1100
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 3: has a shot to be the week one starter and

1101
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 3: the Dalton Schultz replacement. So I just thought it was

1102
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 3: an excellent landing spot for him.

1103
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you know, I think I'm guessing, especially

1104
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 2: just you know, based on the context of the pick

1105
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: that they view Ferguson and Hendershot as kind of backup role,

1106
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: role player type of guys. So the fact that they

1107
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: felt they needed to go tight end, you know, kind

1108
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: of telegraphs telegraphs. Uh for me, I got, uh, Well,

1109
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: I gotta start with Chickakonko. You know he mentioned him,

1110
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: but I think another guy who benefits from Tennessee not

1111
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: drafting a wide receiver until round seven and also a

1112
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 2: tight end until round five. Because remember Austin Hooper's gone,

1113
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: so Oconko one of the more explosive tight ends in

1114
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: recent memory. You know, he could have a chance now

1115
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: to be this team's number two target. I still think

1116
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 2: it probably ends up being Phillips if he's healthy, just

1117
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 2: because of you know, slot receivers tend to get that

1118
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: kind of volume. But I mean, Oconco probably doesn't even

1119
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 2: need the second most volume to get the second most

1120
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 2: yards because he averaged fourteen point one yards per catch

1121
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: last year, scored a touchdown every about every ten catches too,

1122
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: So this guy's super explosive and tight ends. Not is

1123
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 2: don't have those year two breakouts as many as much

1124
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 2: as wide receivers do. But the fact that they're kind

1125
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: of putting him in a featured role this early in

1126
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: his career, I think it's it's a good sign. You know,

1127
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: maybe maybe he's like there their new Delaney Walker or something,

1128
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe you know, if Burke's gets injured,

1129
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 2: maybe it's so Conco who gets like those you know,

1130
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 2: four or five six catches the game. So I really

1131
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: think he has a lot of upside there, especially if

1132
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: you wait on tight end, you're not trying to take

1133
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: one of those risk of your guys in the middle round,

1134
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: which always seemed to disappoint. I think Oconco is at

1135
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: a great late round tight end.

1136
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely.

1137
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 3: And I just remember last year, you know, making projections

1138
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 3: for him, he was topping out at what like fifty

1139
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: five percent routes run rate yep, But I was like, man,

1140
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 3: if he gets up to seventy, he's like, you know,

1141
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 3: top ten potentially tight end if he could maintain you know,

1142
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 3: his underlying usage. So yeah, heading into the season, he

1143
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,760
Speaker 3: doesn't have much competition. We could see him top seventy

1144
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 3: percent routes run rate and he just has massive upside

1145
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 3: if he's seeing that kind of usage.

1146
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 2: Yep. And the other guy is Juan Johnson, you know,

1147
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 2: with that Troutman trade to the Broncos, I think that

1148
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 2: really opens things up here for Johnson to get, you know,

1149
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 2: kind of a more traditional starting tight end role because

1150
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 2: Troutman was taking some of the snaps away. Johnson was

1151
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: another guy would kind of usually be between like that

1152
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,479
Speaker 2: fifty and seventy five percent range, but then Troutman would

1153
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: usually get about thirty percent, and Taysom Hill still there,

1154
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,720
Speaker 2: but now you know it's just Hill and then Lucas

1155
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: Kroll and Miller forestall behind, uh behind guys exactly exactly.

1156
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 2: So like though, like that that just tells me that

1157
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 2: they kind of, you know, admired what Johnson did last

1158
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: year and and you know he's still uh, he's not

1159
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: super young, he's going to be twenty seven, but it's

1160
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: his fourth you know, fourth real year in the league,

1161
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: and I think I think his role is going to

1162
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: continue to grow. You know, seven touchdowns on forty two

1163
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 2: catches last year, sixty five targets averaged twelve a catch.

1164
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 2: Former receiver has some athleticism. Yards per target increased every

1165
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 2: year of his career. So yeah, I think I think

1166
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: we could see another one of these kinds. It's gonna

1167
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 2: be hard to predict week to week, and it will

1168
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: have some bad games obviously behind Olave and Thomas and

1169
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: rashicha heat even. But at the same time, I mean,

1170
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: you know, Derek Carr's always kind of He's had some

1171
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 2: good games with his tight ends, and I do think,

1172
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 2: I do think johnsons row is going to grow here

1173
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 2: with that trout Ma trade, so mike him too. Who

1174
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: do you got for losers?

1175
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to go with Dawson Knox, although he's

1176
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 3: pretty obvious considering the Bills selected the first tight end

1177
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 3: off the board in Dalton Kincaid. Who is you know,

1178
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 3: a legit pass catching tight end. You know, a Knox

1179
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 3: might begin the season as a de facto starter, but

1180
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 3: only be a matter of time until Kinkaid passes them up.

1181
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 3: This also could just be a signal that they intend

1182
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 3: to use more two tight end sets this season.

1183
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: So this this could ding you know.

1184
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 3: The slot receiver role, so like a little Shakir Deontay Hardy,

1185
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 3: those kind of guys might see less playing time as

1186
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 3: a result. But obviously this was just a crushing blow

1187
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 3: for Knox's value. He still could be a red zone threat,

1188
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 3: but you know, I don't think we're gonna be projecting

1189
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 3: him for three plus catches every game going forward. And

1190
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 3: then I have to always pick on Austin Hooper when

1191
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: I can. So Austin Hooper was a loser. You know,

1192
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 3: he was on track to be the Raiders lead tight end.

1193
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: You know, with Darren Waller now on the Giants, he

1194
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: had Oj Howard backing him up, so.

1195
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, he had potentially be a tight

1196
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 3: end to heading in the season. But Michael Mayer just

1197
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 3: sort of fell into the lap of the Raiders, so

1198
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 3: that had to take him. So Mayer was considered, you know,

1199
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 3: the top tight end prospect. He's a you know, good

1200
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 3: blocker as well, so I think he's gonna get on

1201
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 3: the field day one. So I think that that just

1202
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 3: you know, limits Hooper's upside, not that he had much.

1203
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 3: So you know, Hooper's probably down to more you know,

1204
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 3: unappealing tight end three at this point. So I thought

1205
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 3: Austin Hooper was a tight end. I thought lost quite

1206
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 3: a bit of value draft weekend.

1207
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Hooper, I mean, I think his best

1208
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 2: days are behind him. He's probably better in more of

1209
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 2: that supporting role where you know, he can kind of

1210
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: be your guy when you're going in hurry up and

1211
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 2: too many. But I don't think he needs to be

1212
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: out there blocking every every down at this stage in

1213
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 2: his career. He's going on it will be his age nine, yeah,

1214
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 2: twenty nine season.

1215
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: He's still pretty young.

1216
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 3: But this is kind of a warning sign with Dalton

1217
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 3: Schultz moving teams that these these kind of tight ends

1218
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 3: kind of they're given the scheme that they're giving in like, uh,

1219
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 3: that year in Atlanta, he was just in a perfect situation.

1220
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: But he's not the kind of tight end that can

1221
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: overcome you know, uphill battle. So yeah, that's ever since

1222
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: he left Atlanta, I've been fading him. But just Michael Mayer,

1223
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: I think he is the real deal. So I think

1224
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: he will be starting very early in the season.

1225
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think these teams kind of look

1226
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: at these tight ends kind of like running backs, like

1227
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: they're they're replaceable unless you really got a good one,

1228
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 2: you know, and I think you know Buffalo especially given

1229
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: you know you have digs. But Davis, he's not a

1230
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: massive separation guy. Like I just think I think they

1231
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 2: just need more out of their tight end, like they Yes,

1232
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 2: they'll probably also play some more two tight end sets,

1233
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: but I think it's just the fact that like Dawson

1234
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: Knox is just his numbers have been as good as

1235
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 2: they are because he's in the Buffalo offense, not because uh,

1236
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: he's like an amazing tight end. He's like, I think

1237
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 2: he's very, very average at the end of the day.

1238
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: For me, it's Isaiah likely because you know, he's always

1239
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: a guy that I think we were like, all right,

1240
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 2: maybe this guy, you know, he had that big preseason,

1241
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 2: like all right, this guy could have some upside. Baltimore

1242
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: never has enough pas catches. Well now they have enough

1243
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 2: pass catchers, so uh, you know, obviously, if Mark Andrews

1244
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 2: goes down, you know, he'll he'll probably get some some

1245
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 2: streamer love here and there, But even then, you know,

1246
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 2: it's not the same as Mark Andrews going down when

1247
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: they have no receivers. It's Mark Andrews going down when

1248
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 2: they have what looks like a formidable top three at

1249
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 2: least while they're all healthy. So I think, you know,

1250
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 2: like we're still going just outside the top twenty tight ends.

1251
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 2: But you know, if it didn't happen last year, I

1252
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know. I don't know if it's

1253
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 2: gonna happen any this year because it's, uh, you know,

1254
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: Baltimore is just a lot better off this year at

1255
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 2: you know, at pass catches. So like we's a guy

1256
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 2: for me that gets a downbreaing.

1257
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unfortunate.

1258
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 3: I mean, he's backing up, you know, one of the best,

1259
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 3: arguably the best tight end the game and Mark Andrews.

1260
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 3: So think for him to really pop in fantasy, like

1261
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 3: you said, Andrews has to go down or realistically, he

1262
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 3: just has to get traded somewhere some team that needs

1263
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 3: an up and coming tight end. But yeah, as of now,

1264
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 3: I'm off of likely unfortunately.

1265
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 2: All right, kicker, but you got winning as kidding?

1266
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 3: Oh god, that San Francisco guy, right, I mean around

1267
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 3: we were with each other when they drafted the kicker.

1268
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, what the hell is going on.

1269
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a lot of specialists wat in this draft.

1270
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 2: It was like Patriots took a kicker, Patriots took a punter.

1271
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 2: Like a lot of odd things going on. But who knows,

1272
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 2: we'll see. But yeah, this is gonna do it. Great

1273
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 2: episode and I hope you guys enjoyed it. But that's

1274
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: our post draft twenty twenty three episode. We will. I

1275
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 2: believe we're taking it next week off because you'll be in,

1276
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 2: you'll be gone, you'll be on vacation. Sean, Yes, sir,

1277
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 2: but I hope you enjoy Spain and you're welcome. And

1278
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 2: when we get back, I think we're gonna start doing

1279
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 2: We're gonna go division by division, I believe, and just

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