WEBVTT - RHOBH: Goodbye, Kyle? 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.120 But I also think that every housewife, let's say I'm 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:05.360 their agent, you have to sit down and say every 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:08.520 year to this cast member, like, does this represent you anymore? 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:11.840 How can this move the needle? What is the end goal? 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:14.880 And if this is your only goal is to exist 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:17.320 in this space, you shouldn't be on the show anymore 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:19.439 because you're gonna lose sense of who you are and 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:21.279 what your value system is. And you and I have 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.560 seen that happen before. And the also whence you leave, 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:27.040 you're gonna be completely lost. And we've seen this time 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.880 and time again. So you have to have those conversations 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:31.920 every year with somebody. 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:34.360 Stay tuned. 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:38.680 We'll get into my conversation right after these quick ads. 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:49.560 Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:53.400 The King, a reality TV and one of the most 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:58.600 sought after executive producers can reality television with over ten 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:00.920 years of production experience. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:02.240 Twice a week on. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.560 Reality with the King, we'll sit down with my friends 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:11.360 across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:19.679 revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey, 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.720 rain drops, So today's guest is someone I met I 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:29.080 think two years ago, and she and I immediately. 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.759 Hit it off. She's awesome in the podcast world. 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.600 In my opinion, she's like the Queen of podcast because 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:39.560 her podcast breaks down everything in the unscripted world, from 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:46.319 docuseries to true crime, celebrity content. I love her so much. 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:50.400 She's a good girl, she's a good friend. I'm talking 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:54.360 about the amazing Kay. 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.160 S Hi friend. 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.560 Well, first of all, before we get into anything, I 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.160 have to say that what I love most about you 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.800 is that you are, unlike many people I think in 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.760 the space, you are a real champion of women and 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:13.760 I'm always really grateful for that. And I'm also really 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:14.800 grateful for your friendship. 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:15.799 And you make me laugh. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.040 Well, you make me laugh, and thank you for saying that. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:22.200 I'm so honored that with your busy schedule, she is 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:26.600 a mother, a wife, a podcast host, and she drops 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.440 episodes almost every day. Because ms Kate has a lot 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:34.320 to say and we have a lot to get into today, 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:38.560 Kate Chase. So for starters, we have to kick things 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:44.520 off with the Real Housewives of Atlanta reunion that take recently, 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.000 and there's been a lot of chatter on social media 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:54.239 about the seating assignment, and I've got some exclusive tea 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.960 based on allegedly who was sitting next to Andy, and 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:03.880 I need for you to die as sect why this 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:05.919 seating arrangement happened the way it did. 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:07.040 So let me ask you this. 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.840 Do you know anything about this seating arrangement that's been 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.359 the top of social media? 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.000 No, So bring it to me, and I think I 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.520 will have a great opinion based on what you're bringing 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.880 to me. I'm going into this completely open. 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.560 Yes, take a guess who you think, based on what 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.840 we've seen so far this season, who should be sitting 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:30.040 next to Andy. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.800 Well, I would like to see Chara and Kenya, but 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.640 I feel like he has a soft spot for Candy, 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.640 so I'm gonna say she most likely occupies one of 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.520 those seats, but I think it should be Chara and Kenya. 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:46.160 So here's the exclusive news that allegedly has taken place. 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.600 You're right in terms of Charay is sitting next to Andy, 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:51.480 and so is Marlowe. 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:52.120 Huh. 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.720 Well, I feel like that's maybe because they're either rewarding 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:59.200 her for bringing it, but it also could make sense 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.120 to me if I knew who she's sitting with on 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.240 the other side of the couch because sometimes I feel 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.320 like it's strategic seeding because they know it's going to 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:10.440 create conversations and chaos within the filming that will make 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:12.720 for great television. So who is she sitting next to? 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:18.720 Allegedly next to Marlowe is Drew and Sonya oh okay, 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:20.520 and next to Charay. 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.640 Is Kenya and Candy. 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.960 Wow, Candy, good night? This is your last season? 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:26.360 Sorry? 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:31.720 Oh, I mean right, So. 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.360 Tell me why you think it's Candy's last Theson eight. 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:38.719 I just I think that that's probable. I think they listen. 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.960 It's no disrespect to the individual cast member. But there 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.159 comes a point where I think the audience and the 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:49.600 producers and the network say to themselves, the story has 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.760 been told. And I think she's been on many seasons. 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:56.640 I think she's been incredible, incredibly valuable. But I think 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.200 her story we know it already, and I think it 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.159 we need Moose give space for someone else to switch 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:03.520 it up. 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:05.800 And I also think she should be at a point. 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.279 If I'm her agent, I'm like, I think that we've 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:12.280 done enough here, right, and there's so many opportunities that 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.000 she can get beyond the show and deserves to have 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.000 beyond the show. I think that there's a point where 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:18.960 you got to close the chapter. I just watched the 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.680 docuseries and Derek Jeter he should have retired after his 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.640 three thousand pit but he wanted to keep playing, and 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.720 then he got injured, and then the team's pissed off 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:31.960 because he got injured and he can't add any value. 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.279 You got to know when to quit. Jerry Seinfeld quit 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:38.479 at the top. I think she should walk away. She's 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.200 done a great job on the show, and she has 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.200 so much in her back pocket. She's going to be 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.120 even more successful after that. So I'm our agent. I 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.560 say I'm gone. I think that if you're at the 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.279 end of the couch and you've been on for many, 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.880 many seasons, that's probably a sign that they want to 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.599 switch the show up. Have you ever seen Tamra on 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:58.320 the end of the couch? 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:02.080 No? Never, As you brilliantly. 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.120 Brought up in one of your first episodes, everybody has 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.280 to be a force multiplier, and I don't know if 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:07.840 she did enough of that this season. 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.680 Okay, Kathy, Well, you and I are. 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.760 Always looking through a completely different lens than other people 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.719 because we're always thinking about, like how much story is 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.919 going on, Like what are we learning about all the characters? 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.839 Like is there enough there that their lives are overlapping? 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.359 And I just I think that they need to switch 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.279 it up. I have to say I have loved Sonya. 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.960 I love her story. I love this beautiful couple. First 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.200 of all, both are incredibly successful, Like I want to 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.279 hang out with them, I want to go to a 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.960 dinner party with them. I feel like they're on the 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.880 cusp of really creating some incredible businesses. But I think 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.080 that the conversation that he has with her all the 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:53.200 time about wanting another child is really valuable to the 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:57.960 How'swives spectrum. That is a completely relatable topic that so 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:01.360 many people can relate to. And I think the problem 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.080 is that sometimes when you have these different franchises and 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.320 the same people have been on forever and ever and ever, 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:10.880 you don't really have relatable storylines unless that audience is 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:11.640 aging with you. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:13.480 And there is an audience. 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.160 That's aging with the show, but they're also I find 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:17.920 there are a lot of college kids. There are a 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:19.880 lot of people in their like twenties now who watch 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:23.000 the show, who are fresh to the show, and that's 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.480 what the network wants you went fresh eyeballs, right. You 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.280 got to keep that show fresh. So if you only 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:32.720 have cast members who talk about like step children and 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:34.800 children and going to college, which by the way, are 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:39.360 completely important conversations. But if everyone's conversation is about having 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:41.920 older children, you're not going to keep the interest of 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:46.640 the younger audience. So they have to have someone new 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.200 and fresh who has relatable content. That said, I've really 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.600 enjoyed the way that Candy and Todd have talked about 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:58.280 the realities of coperenting having older children, the conversations about 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.720 what to do with wealth. I think those are much 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.880 better conversations than other franchises. I just had racal Gates, 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.920 doctor rackel Gates on my show today. She's a TV professor, 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.320 and we both agree that Atlanta does a far better 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.320 job of tackling the issue of mothering than any other 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.960 Real Housewives franchise. So that said, I love them all, 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:19.760 but I think you have to know when you got 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.720 to go. And I think Candy, if I were an agent, 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:23.720 I'd say, I think i think I've done enough and 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:24.440 I'm going to walk away. 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.960 Now, this is fascinating that we get to talk about 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:32.280 this because what you said to me. I never looked 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:38.120 at until you compared Candy's position on the Real Housewives 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:42.960 of Atlanta to Derek Jeter, but also most recently, Serena 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.320 Williams retiring. 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.160 And what did Serena say? And what did Serena say? 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:52.280 She's like, I feel like I'm being pushed into another direction. 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.960 She's at peace with her career because she sees herself 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.199 moving into a second chapter confidently. And I think that 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.200 that's the best Housewives position is when you can walk 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.640 away with confidence that you know that you can shed 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.800 that first chapter, move into your second chapter and feel 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:09.480 good about it. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:11.720 Most women don't do that. I think that she should 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:12.000 do it. 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.480 Let's talk about Candy's position on the Royal Houspots of Atlanta. 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.079 I never looked at it that way, but I have 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:21.040 to say, you may be onto something, because when you 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.360 are at the top of your career and there's so 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.080 much more for you to do, it may be time 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.320 for you to go. So let's talk about my career 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:32.160 in comparison, because I really want my audience to not 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.920 take this as a shady sound bite, but to really 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.679 look at it as a deeper meeting in terms of 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.520 when to hold when to fold and when it's time 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.960 to buy all gracefully because there's other opportunities your way. 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.400 I left The Real Housepots of Atlanta after season nine 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:53.120 because I knew for me that I did the best 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.600 I could with that show, and I wanted to leave 0:09:56.640 --> 0:10:00.400 the party while the party was still exclusive. It was 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.680 still the hottest ticket in town. And I knew, as 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:07.400 Carlos King, if I'm able to take the pedigree of 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:11.079 telling people, hey, I left after season nine. Wait, I 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.160 mean that season that was highly rated, the four part 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:17.800 reunion where this happened, that happened. I knew if I 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:23.320 could take my legacy and translate it into my career 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.840 goals of owning my production company, being on their talent, 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.640 I couldn't have done any of these things if I 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:34.800 was still a part of that show. I could not 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.720 have Now to your point, I look at Candy. Candy 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:44.280 has so much more to do in this industry. Unlike Marlowe, 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.360 I don't think Candy is only Atlanta. 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:48.080 I do think she's worldwide. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:53.280 We're talking about Kate, a reality star that hosted ellen 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.760 degenerous talk show while Ellen was gone for a couple 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:57.280 of days. 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:58.600 That's huge. 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.400 We're talking about somebody who was on Big Brother before 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.920 any other housewived was on that particular celebrity edition. Candy 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.719 has so much more in store, and I never thought 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.720 I would say this, Kate. I agree with you that 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:15.480 this should be Candy's last season only because I think 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.320 there's so much more for Candy to do that I 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.880 don't think Candy is going to be able to truly 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:27.200 capture this legacy that's waiting for her as long as 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:28.439 she's on this show. 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.079 Also, I think everybody can relate to this. I had 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.200 a job that I was excellent at. I did media 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.600 consulting for law firms. I was excellent at it, but 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.320 at some point I wanted to do other things, and 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.240 continuing to have that job it held me back, not 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.800 just in time, but in your emotional capacity to really 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.880 be good at something else. And I think it's great 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.280 the way that they've highlighted how much she does in entertainment, 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.000 not just in front of the camera, but behind the scenes. 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:58.000 They talked about her Broadway production and the meeting behind 0:11:58.040 --> 0:11:59.040 it and giving. 0:11:58.920 --> 0:11:59.880 Voice to black men. 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.760 If you think about her, not the time that it 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.480 takes for her to film this show, If you eliminate 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.040 that all the other things that she can do within 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:13.800 business and entertainment that are going to far surpass her 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:15.640 being on Justice Show. 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.640 And one thing we know about Candy, she doesn't even money. 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.920 She's very wealthy, so the money should not be a 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:23.640 factor in her decision to stay. 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.400 Like she could start a network, That's what I'm saying, 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.560 Like she, I could see her so many running a network. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:29.880 I could not agree with you more, Kate. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.520 There's so much more in store for Candy to achieve. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:37.120 And as someone who left that machine and look at 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.439 my life now, I'm the happiest I've been. I've accomplished 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.280 so much, I have so much more to accomplish. I 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.840 would like for Candy's team, like you suggested, Kate, to 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:51.840 look at her and say, let's leave while you're still hot, 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.160 and let's get you a talk show. Let's get you 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.440 on your own streaming network. Let you and Todd build 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.079 this empire. Let's move you to New York for two 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.560 months to create a stage play on Broadway. Let's have 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:08.240 you start in more films and movies that you've been 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.520 doing but as a supporting character only because your schedule 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.600 as a full time housewife is so demanding. 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.120 But also think that every housewife, let's say I'm their agent. 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.520 You've just sit down and say every year to this 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.760 cast member, like, does this represent you anymore? How can 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.720 this move the needle? What is the end goal? And 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.520 if this is your only goal is to exist in 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.280 this space, you shouldn't be on the show anymore because 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.080 you're gonna lose sense of who you are and what 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.040 your value system is. And you and I have seen 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:39.560 that happen before. And also once you leave, you're gonna 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.199 be completely lost, and we've seen this time and time again. 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.920 So you have to have those conversations every year with 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:46.640 somebody no. 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.040 And one thing I know about you, You remind me 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.640 of Dave Quinn in the sense of you're like the 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.400 ghost producer of Housewives. 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:58.640 I know you've never given that credit for it. 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.040 So we just talked about how you have to know 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.840 as a housewife when it's time for you to leave 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.800 the nest. And sometimes a lot of housewives stay because 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:12.400 they don't have any identity outside of that franchise. And 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.560 one thing I know about you, Kate, you live in 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:19.000 the OC. You are friends with almost, if not all, 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:23.680 some majority of the past and present cast members of 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.040 the Real Housewives of OC. I listened to your conversation 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:31.680 with Bronwyn because of your interview with Broadwin. I created 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:39.520 a show based upon people who aren't capable of separating 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.960 their reality from other real things. I'm not gonna give 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.960 too much away, guys, but your interview with Broadwyn was 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:52.320 so deep because Brown said, and I'm paraphrasing, that she 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:56.120 felt like a failure after she got fired from Housewives 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:01.120 and she misses the cameras, and she said something so poignant. 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:05.400 She said, Kate, I don't know who I am without 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.720 cameras in my face and without being a housewife, who 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.600 am I I'm lost. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:15.160 I think that this is the luxury of really knowing 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:18.800 these women off the show, and I feel like they 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.080 know that I'm there for them and they feel safe 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.440 with me. I have so many conversations about the film, 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.040 you know, the toll that it's going to take, and 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.720 before they start the show or while they're on the show, 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.600 that when they're in the space of my show, they 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.280 know I'm going to take care of them because in 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.640 the end, I want their voices to be heard. But 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.960 oftentimes I think with the people that I've known, you're 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:43.360 really privy to a conversation between two of us. These 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.720 are the same conversations I have with Bronwyn off camera. 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:51.840 So she struggled because she was and this is very 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:53.880 similar to a lot of women that are on The 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.280 Real Housewives, is that she was never a working person. 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:01.360 She met her husband very young and wanted to have children. 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:05.400 So once you start raising children, anybody with children knows 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.760 this that it's very easy to get lost in the 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.920 schedule of your children and to forget about who you 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:10.600 are and what's. 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:11.040 Important to you. 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:16.680 So she gets this show and she suddenly has a job, 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.720 she's accountable to people, she's showing up, she has people 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:23.240 telling her behind the camera, you are an important person. 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.240 You have been a really interesting story. And then the 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.320 show airs and she has strangers telling her I'm really 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:33.080 inspired by She's, for the first time in her life 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.360 having a job where she's held accountable and. 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:39.480 She feels good about it. She feels self worth, she feels. 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:43.840 Independence, and she feels acknowledgment from others. And then she 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.800 lives in that space while it's chaotic. She would be 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.760 the first to tell you she's adhd So she thrives 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:53.720 on chaos. So think of somebody who has ADHD. They 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.920 thrive in a chaotic environment, they're stimulated by it. Then 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:01.040 the cameras leave and it's quiet. So you're unsettled for 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:06.639 many the layers. You are battling sobriety, you're battling conversations 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.400 with your spouse about your sexuality, and most significantly, her 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:15.159 brain is battling the quiet now that comes with everyone leaving, 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.359 the cameras, the audience, everything, And so she's stuck in 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.120 that space of like, I loved who I was when 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.160 I was on a show, and now it's gone, and 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.280 I have to not only figure out who I am 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.560 as a person, but I'm still responsible for seven children. 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.240 So of course that's going to be a That's something 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.600 that someone would unwind in therapy for years. And so 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.800 she was just bold enough to say it because most 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:42.080 of these women are suffering through similar ways, but they're 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.439 afraid to say it because by saying it, they feel 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:46.879 like they're going to look weak, that they're not going 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.399 to have other opportunities, that people are going to judge 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.480 them because they've been this television persona, and to let 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:55.520 go of that television persona, it's almost like shackles to 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.000 them because they're like waiting for a call for Brown, 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.000 when she was waiting for a call from the network 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.159 to say we want you back. And then it's like 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.399 these stages of grieving because then she's like, well, they 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.280 might call me back, but I'm angry at them. It's 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.600 like a bad breakup, you know, like fuck them, like 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:11.280 I don't need them. But then she's like, but I 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.280 think I do need them. And it's like, you have 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.679 to exist as a person me on the show because 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.320 this is eating you alive. You need it more than 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.640 you should. It's like a bad boyfriend. So I think 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.640 she was just unraveling that and saying that. But as 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.320 you remember in the interview, she said like, what I 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.040 have nothing now, And I was like, I'm not going 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:29.880 to let you have that. 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.160 She was so self deprecating, and not in a humble way, 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.760 but in a very sad way. It touched me so 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.359 much because this is a mother, and because she was 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:42.840 on a show for only two seasons, she felt worthless 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.000 without that show, and I'm like, but you're a mom. 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.080 You have seven kids who look after and it goes 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:53.560 to show you the psychology that goes into what is 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:55.879 meaningful for someone to be on TV. 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:57.600 And one thing I can say to. 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.280 You that I'm pretty sure you'll agree with me on 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.240 I've been a part of this housewives world for almost 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.320 a decade, and one thing I know, based on people 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:07.760 who either left or got fired or are still on 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.080 these shows, they don't believe there's life after Bravo. 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:11.760 They don't. 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:16.080 I have so many conversations about you're going to be okay, 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:17.760 you wouldn't even believe it. 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.920 It's to the point where nine times out of ten, 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:25.320 when a housewife or reality start gets fired from their show, 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:26.520 they call. 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.120 Me, Yeah, I believe it, and they call me. 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.320 To create a show about them, or they call me 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:38.560 to help them with another show because they don't feel 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:42.920 like they have any work without cameras. And the one 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.280 thing I say to these women, and I'm not being 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.000 funny when I say this, they DM me, they reach 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.560 out to a friend of a friend, they start following 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.320 me on Instagram, which I'm like, okay, I know where 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:54.080 this is about to go. 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:56.000 They feel like. 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.119 Without these cameras, I'm nothing. And the one thing I 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:03.680 say to these either former housewives or former reality TV stars, 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:08.119 is do yourself a favor and take the year off 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.760 to really just find out who you are and what 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:15.119 you want, because maybe it's not meant for you to 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:19.160 hop on another reality show. Maybe it's meant for you 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:24.000 to sit back and figure out other avenues in this business. 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.880 And the difference between Monique Samuel, because I know people 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:30.280 are thinking about her now, I actually reach out to her. 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.440 So that was the difference in this case. I reach 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.880 out to her and she was reluctant. But oftentimes it's 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:39.959 them reaching out to me, and I feel bad for 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:43.000 them because they really feel like if I don't have 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:45.280 cameras in my face, I don't have a life. 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.919 Here's the other part of it that's like frustrating to 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.760 kind of explain to other people is that I don't 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:52.640 know if it's the people in their orbit. They don't 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.400 have enough people that are explaining to them the reality 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.520