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Speaker 3: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, she's like the Queen of podcast because

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Speaker 3: She's a good girl, she's a good friend. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, before we get into anything, I

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Speaker 3: Well, you make me laugh, and thank you for saying that.

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Speaker 3: I'm so honored that with your busy schedule, she is

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Speaker 3: Kate Chase. So for starters, we have to kick things

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Speaker 1: Like she could start a network, That's what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: When we think about this upcoming season of the Real

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Speaker 1: to your question, No, I don't think Taylor Armstrong makes

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Speaker 1: any sense in this at all in any way possible.

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Speaker 2: I don't get it. It's very two thousand and three.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure she's a very lovely woman, but I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying for me to look at this as storytelling, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense for me.

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Speaker 2: This is what OC is.

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Speaker 4: Like.

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Speaker 1: OC is actually a very diverse county. They just tend

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Speaker 1: to talk about two coastal cities, Newport Beach and Laguna Beach,

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Speaker 1: which are not very diverse. So I'm always just like,

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Speaker 1: how do you cast a show and not have that

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Speaker 1: much diversity when it really is like the Asian community, huge, Persian, Indian, Syrian,

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Speaker 1: Like there's so many kinds of communities, but we keep

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Speaker 1: getting the same woman who has hair extensions, Like why

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Speaker 1: the other thing they missed the mark on And I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you could figure this out unless you

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Speaker 1: live there. I'm originally from Philadelphia and then moved to DC,

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Speaker 1: and then I went to LA and then I went

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Speaker 1: to Orange County. I'm an outsider still. That is the

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Speaker 1: story they miss on. That is that OC is a

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Speaker 1: near impossible place to penetrate socially. The people who lived

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Speaker 1: there grew up there and they went to USC or

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Speaker 1: they went to a specifically, they went to University of

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Speaker 1: San Diego. They only stay friends with that group up

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Speaker 1: until the time they retire and they get old. They

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Speaker 1: stay hang out with the same group of ten people

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Speaker 1: all the time. So there's this fish out of water

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Speaker 1: story that they've missed every single season, is that there

468
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Speaker 1: are people like myself who move there, and yes, it's

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Speaker 1: helpful when you have children, but they're never going to

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Speaker 1: accept you. You're never going to be invited on trips,

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Speaker 1: You're never going to be invited over like I'm in

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Speaker 1: New Jersey at my sister's house. People househop you're invited,

473
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Speaker 1: you're out of town. You're invited over. That does not

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Speaker 1: exist in OC. The only time that people get together

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Speaker 1: really is if they go to a restaurant, if they

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Speaker 1: go out as a group. They're going to go on

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Speaker 1: a trip to Palm Springs. You'll see ten couples. They're

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Speaker 1: all wearing matching truck hats that say like yacht rock

479
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Speaker 1: on it or something like. It is a place that

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Speaker 1: it's all about the herd mentality there. There's this pressure

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Speaker 1: of do you have the right car, the right bag.

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Speaker 1: The New Yorkers are about setting the trend. Orange County

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Speaker 1: is the paranoia about not being part of the trend

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Speaker 1: so that I never get I'm like, I live here,

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Speaker 1: I see this every day and they keep missing that.

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Speaker 4: I want to.

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Speaker 1: See that story play out, Like how can someone penetrate

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Speaker 1: a social scene when they're an outsider? Instead, it feels

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Speaker 1: very disjointed to me. You have like in no and

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Speaker 1: we've talked about this, In no world would Heather du

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Speaker 1: Bro hang out with Gene now? And how does Emily

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Speaker 1: in this group? Like they're all it's too just joint jointed.

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Speaker 1: It's like this too. They all live in such different

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Speaker 1: areas of OC. It would be like having real Housewives

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Speaker 1: of New York and there's one from Staten Island, one

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Speaker 1: from Manhattan, one from the Bronx, and one from Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: New Yorkers would go like these people would never hang

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Speaker 1: out Like how you're if you live in Staten Island,

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Speaker 1: You're not going to Manhattan. You would never hang out

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Speaker 1: with someone in Bronx. It makes no sense. That is

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Speaker 1: what Orange County is like.

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Speaker 3: Kay, you are dropping so much interesting information for my

503
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Speaker 3: listeners because I never even thought of that, the comparison

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Speaker 3: between the districts in OC to the districts in New

505
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Speaker 3: York City because I used to.

506
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Speaker 4: Live in New York, So you see what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no one from Staten Island is hanging out like

508
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Speaker 3: a Bronx person, and no one from Manhattan is hanging

509
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Speaker 3: out with anybody who lives like in Long Island.

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Speaker 4: Like it's not happening.

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Speaker 1: A woman who lives in a townhouse in Codo de

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Speaker 1: Caza going through a divorce has a completely different life

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Speaker 1: than a woman who lives in Crystal Cove at the

514
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Speaker 1: top of the top of the hill with children who

515
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Speaker 1: go to private schools in It's like South County with

516
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Speaker 1: a husband whose businesses in Newport Beach. Those two lives

517
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Speaker 1: will never intersect. If they do intersect, it's like surface conversations.

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Speaker 1: And then add to that the component of OC being

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Speaker 1: a very snobby, clique county. It makes no sense.

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Speaker 3: So when you say Taylor doesn't make any sense, is

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Speaker 3: that what you're talking about? Because what part of the

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Speaker 3: OC does Taylor live?

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Speaker 4: And do you know?

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. I don't know where she lives.

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Speaker 1: She has a fifteen year old daughter, She lived in

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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, she moves to o C. No one seems

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Speaker 1: to hang out with her unless it's like at a

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Speaker 1: Bravocon event. How is she important to this friend group?

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Speaker 1: And what does her story tell you about OC? Like

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Speaker 1: she lived in Beverly Hills, but she doesn't have a

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Speaker 1: close group of friends that we're ever going to get

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Speaker 1: access to that live in OC. It's not telling the story.

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Speaker 1: Like remember when we were talking about real of Salt

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Speaker 1: Lake City. You were like, you could call it real

535
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Speaker 1: houseways a tempion, It wouldn't make any difference. The show

536
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 1: has to be about what that city is, and it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: I'm screaming all the time because I'm like, I live here.

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Speaker 1: I know how these people are Also, all the neighborhoods

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Speaker 1: are different. So like where over where I live is

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Speaker 1: like surf moms who like wear surf clothes, and that's

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Speaker 1: like a mile and a half away from Shannon's neighborhood,

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Speaker 1: which is like suburban mom. Now, I'll tell you what

543
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: the show really needs to be is the Real Housewives

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Speaker 1: of the Port Streets, which is where Shannon and Kelly

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Speaker 1: and they all live. And I'm not saying like I'm

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Speaker 1: not breaking privacy laws, like I think everyone knows that

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Speaker 1: that's where they live.

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Speaker 2: The Port Streets would be the perfect Real Houses of

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Speaker 2: Orange County show. And here's why.

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Speaker 1: It's this neighborhood that exists in the middle of Newport

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Speaker 1: Beach and there's an elementary school in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood. And the people that live there never leave

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood. If I have a friend that moves there,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll see you in four years. They all

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Speaker 1: socialize together, they're always together, and they're all these different

556
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Speaker 1: social dynamics that are interesting. So people say, Kate, if

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Speaker 1: you move there, like you get sucked out it, and

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Speaker 1: I'll say no, I'm like, I'll go under the radar.

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00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: And they're like, no, no, no, no, one goes under

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Speaker 1: the radar. You move there and you get sucked in.

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Speaker 1: That should be the real housews of Orange County, the

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Speaker 1: Port Street Show.

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Speaker 3: And that is the reason why the Golden Days of

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Speaker 3: the OC worked because, like you said, it was these

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Speaker 3: real friendships in these real neighborhoods where they sort of

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Speaker 3: live close to each other.

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Speaker 1: Coto de Caza that is like the Port Streets. It's

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Speaker 1: like this neighborhood, so all their lives are overlapping. Now

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Speaker 1: it's just like the Staten Island Bronx Manhattan Show.

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Speaker 3: And that's why it's not working. So because now they

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Speaker 3: decided to get rid of doctor Jen, who I know

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Speaker 3: is a friend of yours, and I believe you referred

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Speaker 3: doctor Jen correct.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think that she had already maybe was

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Speaker 1: on their radar. But one of the producers I kept saying,

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Speaker 1: you got to look at her because I've known them

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Speaker 1: for a decade and her husband is wonderful. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're just so disjointed within their marriage. But I thought

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Speaker 1: that was a modern story of like she's working all

581
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Speaker 1: the time and he's the stay at home hot dad.

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Speaker 1: At the school, they used to go to before they

583
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Speaker 1: came to ours. He would get written up. They would

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Speaker 1: complain because he would.

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Speaker 2: Never wear a shirt to school.

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Speaker 1: It was like a Christian school, and they would like

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Speaker 1: he'd be dropping their kids off, and he's so oblivious.

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Speaker 2: He's so sweet, so oblivious.

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Speaker 1: In like kind of like low cut, like running shorts

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Speaker 1: with like muscles, and women are just like staring at him,

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Speaker 1: like like he was the hot husband and he's oblivious

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Speaker 1: to it. There's just so many layers. I'm like, these

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Speaker 1: two are just whacka do hilarious.

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Speaker 4: They never tapped into that.

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Speaker 1: Never there are women that are like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I get text all the time like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I just saw Ryan at basketball tryouts. He's so hot

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Speaker 1: and now for me, he's like my brother. So I'm

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Speaker 1: just like laughing about it. But there's that component. And

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Speaker 1: then she's oblivious to stuff too, like since she works

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Speaker 1: all the time, she's oblivious to stuff.

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Speaker 2: And then she'll come to me and she'll complain. She's like,

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Speaker 2: I'm just.

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Speaker 1: So mad at Ryan, Like he gets to go to

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Speaker 1: the tennis matches and like he gets to see all

606
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Speaker 1: of that, and like you can too, if you let

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Speaker 1: him work more and you work less, and she's like, no.

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Speaker 2: I want to work. I'm like, we have to compromise.

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Speaker 4: So it's like.

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Speaker 2: They're always arguing.

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Speaker 1: And I just felt like a lot of people could

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Speaker 1: relate to that, that that's a modern story. Like a

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Speaker 1: lot of men now are the stay at home dads? Listen,

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Speaker 1: there are many stories that I'm surprised they have not

615
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: covered in all these seasons of twenty years of housewives,

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Speaker 1: stay at home dads didn't seem to be covered that much.

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Speaker 1: Health issues don't seem to me to be covered as

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Speaker 1: much as I would think. You have one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty plus housewives, I can't believe only three of them

620
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: have had an eating disorder. I can't believe very few

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Speaker 1: of them have had paranoia about like mimmographies, about having ovariensists, about.

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Speaker 2: Relatives that have.

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Speaker 1: Alzheimer's, like the health component. I'm surprised they never kind

624
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Speaker 1: of cover that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just always.

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Speaker 1: Look at it like I feel like I'm a cultural anthropologist,

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Speaker 1: so I'm thinking of like, are these modern stories are

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Speaker 1: these people that I know? Are they talking about real issues,

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Speaker 1: real people? And I feel like over the years sometimes

630
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Speaker 1: it gets away from that because it becomes about the

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Speaker 1: dinner party and survivor and alliances. And I think in

632
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: order to be really successful and to keep people engaged,

633
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Speaker 1: there has to be storytelling that's relatable.

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Speaker 3: When I stepped up on the Real Hospitals of Atlanta

635
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Speaker 3: as the showrunner slash executive producer, it was a mandate

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Speaker 3: for me because I'm like you, I never called myself this,

637
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Speaker 3: but I love how you said it a cultural anthropologist,

638
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: because I'm like, that's what it is. I told Candy, Fedra, Nini,

639
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: Kenya Portia it was mandatory that we talk about real

640
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: life issues. And it's no secret that season six of

641
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: that show was the highest rated because I said, listen,

642
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 3: we can easily throw shade and read each other and

643
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: all that stuff, but people want to know the truth.

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00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 4: They want to know the truth between.

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Speaker 3: Phase and Apollo, Candy and To's relationship, how your mother

646
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: could be overbearing.

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00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 4: Nini and Greg being remarried, are they still in the

648
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Speaker 4: honeymoon stage?

649
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 3: Kenya dealing with being a single woman who wants a kid,

650
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: but she is trying to survive these friendship where people

651
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Speaker 3: think she flirts with her husbands.

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Speaker 4: It was like stuff that I knew A large group of.

653
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Speaker 3: People could relate to and what I do feel like

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Speaker 3: what's happening now.

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Speaker 4: I feel like Beverly.

656
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Speaker 3: Hills is having not a so great season because we're

657
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Speaker 3: not talking about anything real. And these past two episodes, Kate,

658
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Speaker 3: we had Lisa Renna put on a performance of a

659
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: lifetime and I was so taken aback because I'm like,

660
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: we're used to you sort of acting out in a

661
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: playful way and you're in on the joke. But these

662
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: loud outbursts directed towards Sutton is so boring, lazy immature

663
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: that is not making me want to watch the rest

664
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: of the season because it's not real, like you're you're

665
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: You're having these outbursts across the dinner table where Melissa

666
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 3: Etherich is seeing you guys a song that she cleared

667
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 3: for Bravo. And last but not least you, I'm really

668
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: interested in following your story about your mom passing, like

669
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 3: I really we as the audience, Kate, love Lois. It

670
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: makes you rest in peace. I would love to see

671
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 3: conversations with you, with your daughters, totally with you, you too,

672
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:37,959
Speaker 3: all I.

673
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 4: Have, your grandma is gone.

674
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: I would love to see you and Harry fuck the

675
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 3: spaghetti sauce.

676
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 4: I want to see you and Harry have a.

677
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 3: Real conversation about your place in Hollywood.

678
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 4: Are you a has been actress?

679
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 3: What does it mean right now that your husband he

680
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: still is booking gigs and Lisa Rena, you can't book

681
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 3: a gig to save your life. I wanted to understand

682
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: that relationship. Also, I would have really preferred to see

683
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: Eileen Davidson and Lisa Renna talk about the trajector.

684
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 4: Of the career. Where Eileen won.

685
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: An Emmy her first season on Billy Hills, she won

686
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: an Emmy for acting on Days of Our Lives, whereas

687
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: Lisa Renna's career like she's unbookable in terms of being

688
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 3: an actress.

689
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: Well, that goes back to what we were saying, is

690
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: that the show really has to be about the city.

691
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: The city is Beverly Hills, that's the court, like the

692
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: center of the West Coast entertainment business. So the fact

693
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: that to your point, we're not having those conversations that

694
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: you've been married for I don't know how many years,

695
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: thirty years or something. You're both working, but your husband's

696
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: booking scripted projects that you probably still want to get

697
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: but don't get them. It's sorry if it's meta, but

698
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: you're not getting them because you're an unscripted television star.

699
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: Now that should be discussed. We should talk about how

700
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: your daughters are now in their early twenties in a

701
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: vicious entertainment industry. How do you protect them, how do

702
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: you support them, how does your husband support them? None

703
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: of those things are happening. That is central to the

704
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: core of the people who live in that city and

705
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: the dynamics of living in that city. That is why

706
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: the show is not as great anymore. That's why we

707
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: do like to watch Erica because that is a story

708
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,479
Speaker 1: that's very rich in Beverly Hills, the rise and fall

709
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: of somebody who has money and power and access. That's

710
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: why we watch that because that is what happens in

711
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: a city like that. It's not going to happen in Topeka.

712
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen in Minneapolis. That's happening there.

713
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: So that's why we watch for Erica. We do still

714
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: kind of watch for Kyle because her sister's on the show,

715
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: and they were both like or she was a child actress,

716
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: and they have been in the industry since they were younger.

717
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: So I think people watch because they find that fascinating.

718
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: How can you be a child actor and continue to

719
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: be in the industry and all the ancillary people that

720
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: they know because they've lived there for so long, So

721
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: you're anticipating, like what friend of theirs is going to

722
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: walk through the door that Kathy knows all of these

723
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: people because of society circles and because our husband's in

724
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: real estate. Like, I think people are kind of interested

725
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: still for that reason, although I don't know if I

726
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: get as much layers to who Kyle is because of it,

727
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: Like I want to know more about Kathy and Kyle's

728
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: mom and because of her role in their life, how

729
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: do they live in their own marriages, how do they

730
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: live as how do they parent their children?

731
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 2: Because of Big Kathy that is.

732
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: Missing from the show. I need all of that too.

733
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: So again it goes back to who are the women

734
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: that exist in the city, What is that the city

735
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: built around? And are we getting realistic stories from there?

736
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 3: We all know Beverly Hills is this franchise that people

737
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: love to hate, but it's also the highest rted so

738
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: far of all these cities, and it's so like the

739
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 3: fan favorite Erica Jane. Last season was super fascinating because

740
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: of everything you said. We watched these true crime documentaries.

741
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: We watch American Greed on CNBC that's been on for

742
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: twenty years, because there is something fascinating about this wealthy

743
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: guy who who allegedly did something as chievous and his

744
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 3: bombshell wife is at the intersect of all of this.

745
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 3: And to see Erica Jane for her first couple of

746
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: years on the show flauned this lifestyle that we were

747
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 3: all envious, like work, bitch, oh my gosh, like yes,

748
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 3: and to see that all crumbling down because at the

749
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: end of the day, is human nature to build someone

750
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 3: up just to tear them down. And that's why it's

751
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 3: no secret that last season was an excellent season. I

752
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: loved Sutton last season because Sutton represented a nine h

753
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: two one oh housewife who's like, I don't know if

754
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: I'm able to rub elbows with you because that could

755
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: affect my social circle and status in this town. And

756
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: now you're poisoned, and that, to me should have been

757
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: the story, which is why I think Eric has said whatever,

758
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 3: miss small town, you shut up.

759
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 4: Well.

760
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: Also, another layer to it is a little bit similar

761
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: to OC. If you're not in the entertainment industry. No

762
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: one gives a shit about you. If you're in the

763
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: entertainment industry, they're looking past your shoulder to see who's

764
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: much more interesting in the door, you know, So think

765
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: about somebody who's just the housewife of someone in the

766
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: financial service industry living in an entertainment town. That is

767
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: why Sutton was a good cast, because it's a fish

768
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: out of the water story. She wants to be included

769
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: in all of this. But if you're not in the

770
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: entertainment industry, there's a level to which you can't really penetrate.

771
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: So she becomes a television personality, which, by the way,

772
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: people who are actresses to me all the time they're like,

773
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: I can't believe this bit is like got this big

774
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: following and is being interviewed for like entertainment shows, and

775
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm like a working actress.

776
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: So there's that too.

777
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: It's like people now hate her because first of all,

778
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: she didn't work in the entertainment industry. She's got a

779
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: ton of money, she's got a quirky personality, and also

780
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: she's getting the privileges of now being a TV personality

781
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: with no background in entertainment at all. So that they're

782
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: not cracking open, Like, Lisa, do you hate Sutton because

783
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: she has all of these attention and Instagram followers when

784
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: you've actually been working your way up in the entertainment

785
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: industry for twenty years? Like can we talk about that?

786
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: You're like how many times have we heard on watch

787
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: What Happens Live? Like Lisa said, well, I was actually

788
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: invited to have that opportunity to be interviewed by Maren

789
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: Morris on the Tonight show, but I couldn't do it.

790
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: So then they asked she wanted to make sure that

791
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: even though Sutton was interviewed, that she was the first pick.

792
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: It's a Beverly Hills story. Why is that person chosen?

793
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: I'm not.

794
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: She doesn't have a background, She's just the TV personality

795
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: I actually worked. I've been on all these shows, so

796
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: that's the kind of stuff. I'm just looking for all

797
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: those layers.

798
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: And that's the reason why the Ultimate Girls tran franchise

799
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: work is because they were allowed to break the fourth

800
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: wall and to really talk about what it was like

801
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 3: being on the show.

802
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 4: And I think.

803
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: Because the Real Housewives which listen Bravo punattended to the executives,

804
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: the creators who built that franchise because it's not easy

805
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: to build one that is synonymous with reality television.

806
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 4: But that's the reason why I think.

807
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: A lot of people aren't into it as much as

808
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: they used to be, because it's sort of like, we

809
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 3: need to break the fourth wall in order for this

810
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: to make sense. We need to talk about again, like

811
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: what Lisa Rena's going through. What you said with sun.

812
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 3: I never looked at it that way, but that is

813
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: so fascinating. It reminds me of Atlanta. I said, marlow

814
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: and Kenya have this odd friendship because Marlowe wants Kenya's

815
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: approval that she deserved a peach, And I think this

816
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 3: season on Atlanta could have been so much better if

817
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 3: Marlowe was allowed to say I now have a peach,

818
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: and it has affected my relationship with these women for

819
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 3: the past ten years that I built.

820
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: I just have to say this for Atlanta, I've always

821
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: thought the two most poignant moments have been one when

822
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: Ninni is in the car. We've talked about it before

823
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: and she sees her real father for the first time

824
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: and realizes he looks just like her son, and it

825
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: was like. The other one is when Kenya opens up

826
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: about being rejected by her birth mother. I mean, holy shit.

827
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: So don't you think that a lot of the Kenya

828
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: Marlowe issues have to do with the deep seated issues

829
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: of their childhood. Yeah, Marlow's rejected by her real mother,

830
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: She's got to go through foster care, finally gets accepted

831
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: by someone. Kenya was rejected by her mother. There are

832
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: two women that have such similarities but hold back from

833
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: one another for the same reasons that they have. You know,

834
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: they have the same emotional problems at the core, and

835
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: it's like, as a viewer, you're like, oh my god,

836
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: you could be the best of friends if you could

837
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: figure that out, but you can't. And I completely get

838
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: why they're both at other sides of the table.

839
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 3: And that's the reason why you need a producer who

840
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 3: is invested in the show, in the storylines and not

841
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: doing the low hanging thruit and having an argument like

842
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: you han't kill deeper guys.

843
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: Respect those women. Yeah, those women are complete, complicated, interesting,

844
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: phenomenal women, and you would do a much better service

845
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: to them if you explored how their complicated lives overlap

846
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: versus these stupid fights that bugs me, Oh.

847
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 4: It bugs me.

848
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 3: On Atlanta. It bugs me on Beverly Hills. That's why

849
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 3: when Lisa, Renna, and Sutton had that argument at the

850
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: Reais party across the table that Kyle, who's the ghost producer,

851
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 3: set up, because they all feel like, okay, guys, we're

852
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 3: at dinner.

853
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 4: We have to argue.

854
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 3: That's the reason why it just doesn't work, because we

855
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: want deeper conversations, we want significant moments, we want something

856
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 3: that you can cut your teeth into. So my hope

857
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: is that if you are a reality TV star or

858
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: producer listening now, you have to work over time in

859
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: order to really feel comfortable giving deep moments and don't

860
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 3: feel like a scene is great because two women are

861
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: yelling at each other. It's only great when the yelling

862
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 3: moments is because of something significant that happen in their

863
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: friendships and their relationships.

864
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: I think Kyle should go I think she should just

865
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: go out now. She's the top of her game, like

866
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: she's done a great job all these seasons. Her family

867
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: has a Netflix spin off. I mean, you're going to

868
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: go to like from Bravo audience to like million subscribers

869
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: on Netflix. She's going to go into a whole new stratosphere. Now,

870
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: what reason does she have to be on the show anymore?

871
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: You know, that's like going from eating M and ms

872
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: to like eating a giant sized chocolate bar, Like why

873
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: would you stay? Like, I think she's done enough, She's

874
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: done a great job. Go out with the bank, Go out,

875
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Speaker 1: Derek Jeter after the three thousand pit. Stop playing. You

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Speaker 1: don't need to play anymore. Enjoy the Netflix show with

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Speaker 1: your family.

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Speaker 3: What's interesting is the episode a week ago or two

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Speaker 3: weeks ago where Kyle had COVID and she wasn't in

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Speaker 3: the episode at all. Yeah, and Kate, it was a

881
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Speaker 3: boring episode, and I'm like, it's because the first multiplier,

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Speaker 3: Kyle isn't there. So listen, while I agree with you

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Speaker 3: that Kyle and Candy should go off because there's going

884
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Speaker 3: to be much more waiting for them.

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Speaker 1: But that's not their problem. They should not have to

886
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Speaker 1: stay on a show because they make the show. That's

887
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: not their problem, not someone else's problem. She should have

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Speaker 1: the ability to go, Like, think of all the awesome

889
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: things Kyle Richards can do if she is not beholden

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Speaker 1: to that show, Like she's really smart, she could come

891
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Speaker 1: up with some really fantastic new shows. Business opportunities, like

892
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Speaker 1: she could put much more into all the other ancillary

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Speaker 1: businesses that she works on. It's not her problem that

894
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Speaker 1: they need her, that's their problem. Why are you going

895
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Speaker 1: to stay at a job just because.

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Speaker 2: They need you?

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Speaker 1: Stayed a job because you like it, It fulfills you,

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Speaker 1: you get a lot from it. I'm not saying that

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Speaker 1: she feels that way. I just feel like, go out

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Speaker 1: with a bang. Go out with the bang. You don't

901
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Speaker 1: need to stay.

902
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Speaker 3: Shad, Candy and Kyle leave their respective shows right now

903
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Speaker 3: while they're on a high in order to achieve so

904
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Speaker 3: much greater success that is a waiting on them. Let

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Speaker 3: us know, tweet us and make sure you hashtag reality

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Speaker 3: with the King.

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Speaker 4: We talked about Candy and Kyle. So let's go to

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Speaker 4: New Jersey.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, the first multiply you New Jersey is Teresa Judais.

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Speaker 4: Is it time for Teresa to go? Kate?

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Speaker 1: I think she should stay because I just don't know

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Speaker 1: what she could do outside of this show. I don't

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Speaker 1: think she's dynamic enough to have other things. I think

914
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Speaker 1: the core of that show is the fact that these

915
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: in laws despise each other and the other women are

916
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: like houseplants in the corners that need.

917
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Speaker 2: To be watered.

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Speaker 1: It's just really about two Italian in laws that fucking

919
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: hate each other, and I like it. So she should

920
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: stay because I don't know what else is she going

921
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: to do. She's like a true television personality. I don't

922
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Speaker 1: know what she could do outside of the show.

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Speaker 3: Okay, fabulous, Okay, the Real Housewives of Orange County. Is

924
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: it time for Shannon and or Heather to go?

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Speaker 1: Heather doesn't need the show. She can go, you know,

926
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Speaker 1: there's plenty. I don't know what Shannon.

927
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Speaker 2: Could do outside of it.

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Speaker 1: I think she should probably just have a really great

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Speaker 1: season where she's really open about I've got a daughter

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Speaker 1: that left for school, and I'm starting to panic because

931
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Speaker 1: my twins are almost grown up, and the conversation that

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Speaker 1: I have not heard in a housewives Correct me if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. If you have been the stay at home

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Speaker 1: mom and your children are now of the age where

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Speaker 1: they're going to leave home, and you've been reliant on

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Speaker 1: the money that came from your marriage and for paying

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Speaker 1: for child support, and suddenly you're at a point where

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Speaker 1: you're in your fifties and you're like, I've got to

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Speaker 1: get a real job and make some income because that

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Speaker 1: money is drying out. That's important. She should talk about

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Speaker 1: that this season. That is really important. And finding out

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00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: who you are that's a whole that's important too. But like,

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Speaker 1: where's that conversation of like money that drives up in

944
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Speaker 1: your fifties and you have to go out and find

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Speaker 1: a job and maintain a lifestyle that you're accustomed to.

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Speaker 2: That should be her story. If she does it, well,

947
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Speaker 2: go out with a bang.

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Speaker 3: And last, but not least, the Real Housewives in New

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Speaker 3: York City. Obviously we have a legacy edition, but do

950
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 3: you still fail? For example, bet Any lap And has

951
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: done a lot of great stuff with her charity and

952
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Speaker 3: now she's on a brand new show on CNBC co

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Speaker 3: hosting with Mister Wonderful from Shark Tank. Is it time

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Speaker 3: for Ramona, Sonya, Lwin or Dernda to go?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: All four?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think their story, I know who they are, I

959
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: know their stories. I don't know if there's much there left.

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Speaker 1: That's not to say they're not dynamic, interesting women. I'm

961
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Speaker 1: just saying, for the sake of television, if you're the

962
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Speaker 1: plight of that producer is like, what's the next layer

963
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Speaker 1: to this? And I don't know if there are much

964
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Speaker 1: layers left to tell unless someone is, like, you know,

965
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Speaker 1: Derenda's like, I'm going to go out and I'm going

966
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Speaker 1: to start dating again, and I'm having a really difficult

967
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Speaker 1: time because I'm still clinging to the marriage that i

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Speaker 1: had with Richard. And I mean, it's completely relatable that

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Speaker 1: she would date a douchebag like John because you want

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Speaker 1: something that's not serious because it was such a horre

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Speaker 1: like horrible loss to her Richard, Right, So maybe if

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Speaker 1: it's like her dating, maybe there's something there.

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Speaker 2: Ramona, there's nothing left.

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Speaker 1: I know that woman. I know her story. I mean,

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Speaker 1: take away what you like or don't like about somebody.

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Speaker 1: For me, it's about the story.

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Speaker 2: Like if she showed up to your.

978
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Speaker 1: Dinner party, you're not gonna have an interesting conversation because

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Speaker 1: you already know everything about her. I already know a

980
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Speaker 1: thing about lu Anne. I'm like, I need some new,

981
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Speaker 1: fresh story tells. Also for New York, I don't know

982
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Speaker 1: if those women tell a modern New York story anymore.

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Speaker 4: No, I agree with that. Definitely agree with you.

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Speaker 1: And also COVID post COVID, New York is a very

985
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: different city than it was fifteen years ago. So you

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Speaker 1: can't tell the same story. You can't tell the same

987
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: story with the women. You can't tell the same story

988
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Speaker 1: about that city.

989
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Speaker 3: Kate, I can talk to you all day. I gotta

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Speaker 3: bite you back over. I had no idea that this

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Speaker 3: am pleasantly surprised, although I'm not shocked because you and

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Speaker 3: I always have a good time when we talk.

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