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Speaker 2: Hello professional Homegirls, ishiger everyday here and I hope all

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Speaker 2: is cute now. On this week's episode of the Professional

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Speaker 2: Homegirl Podcast, Down with a professional homegirl who spent nearly

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Speaker 2: twenty years serving and protecting her community. My guest share

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Speaker 2: is was really like to work in law enforcement? Now?

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Speaker 2: The game, the male dominated feel carrying the weight of

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Speaker 2: the badge while balancing it all with real life. We

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Speaker 2: talk about the highs, the heartbreaks, the tough decisions, and

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Speaker 2: the moments that made it all worth it. You know,

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed this episode. You all. This conversation was

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Speaker 2: so amazing because my guest not only was she raw

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Speaker 2: and powerful, but this conversation was a reminder of the

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Speaker 2: strength it takes to stand on the front lines while

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Speaker 2: navigating the complex realities of being black and wearing blue.

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Speaker 2: So get ready because behind the badge, my journey in

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Speaker 2: law enforcement starts now. All right, to my guests, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for being on the show. How are

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Speaker 2: you feeling, how you doing?

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I feel good. I felt good.

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Speaker 3: Today's a good day. We're here. Okay, it's not me.

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Speaker 3: It's raining, but we're here, so it's okay.

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Speaker 2: It's a good day. I feel nice and relaxed, like

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Speaker 2: I feel ready to conquer the day. So I feel

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Speaker 2: good too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good day.

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Speaker 2: Listen. I am so excited to share your story. I

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Speaker 2: know when niggas see you, maybe like, yeah, you could

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Speaker 2: take me to jail. Baby. How many niggas try to

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Speaker 2: hit on you.

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Speaker 3: Only do how many times I've heard that, Like, especially

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Speaker 3: back when I was in uniform every day, every single day,

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Speaker 3: anybody cute, It didn't even matter because I know I'm

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Speaker 3: saying that. For me, I'm like, if you would even

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's what she's saying, y'all. But she a bad

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Speaker 2: of y'all. I know, niggas hitting her at the station

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Speaker 3: Listen between them and the coworkers. The girl, it's a mess.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's start from the beginning. What kind of kid

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Speaker 2: were you growing up?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: Were you you always draw into like protecting people.

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Speaker 3: I am the eldest daughter.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there you go. That makes sense me too.

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Speaker 3: As the eldest daughter is like, I've always taken care

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: I mean so it was in me. I didn't want

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Speaker 3: so it worked out the way it was supposed to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a lot in common I have. I'm

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Speaker 2: Oh do you yeah, all girls.

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Speaker 4: Listen the eldest daughter, girl, right, listen, the eldest daughter, Siria,

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Speaker 4: it is stressful that part, but.

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Speaker 3: It prepared me. I'll say it did help prepare me.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, eldest daughter.

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Speaker 2: So tell them about the first time when you you

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Speaker 3: I never thought I want to be a cop, like

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Speaker 3: I went to school for pre veterinary medicine, Like literally

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm doing this the right way. I'm

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Speaker 3: if you take the Civil Service exam like I've been

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Speaker 3: inssurance for a year, okay.

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Speaker 2: And I look like, bet any guys stay with nothing

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Speaker 2: more once? Baby?

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Speaker 3: What say less? We weren't say less than, but I

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Speaker 3: and I scored extremely high, and I got certified by

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Speaker 2: Oh y'all, no, you don't play no games, baby, and

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Speaker 2: don't and don't listen me and my guess. When I

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Speaker 3: And it does not matter if I am in boots, flats,

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Speaker 2: I know you got that shrap ready.

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Speaker 3: It's on. Where she is my buddy.

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Speaker 2: Wherever I go, she goes listen. And it is another

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Speaker 2: She was like, I got my shruck. I said, okay, listen.

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Speaker 3: Anytime that happened to me and somebody's like, what you

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh, you play no games. I'm like, bet

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Speaker 3: And it's not even a matter of me trying to

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Speaker 2: The tools and resources, that's what we're calling it.

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Speaker 3: That was on my call. I mean, but to do what, yeah,

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Speaker 3: to do like it is my job to protect. I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I'm not that person that's like all my cop stuff

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Speaker 3: I'm going to do my job. I'm going to respond. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to make sure my girl is on me

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Speaker 2: Did JR. Mom or like your siblings ever have to

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Speaker 2: to step up, because that's a lot of responsibility for

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Speaker 3: It wasn't really a conversation. It was just I just

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Speaker 3: did not even think about not going home. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: they understood what it was. Mommy was in the hospital,

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Speaker 3: and so I had always been the eldest daughter, right,

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Speaker 3: to a certain extent. Not to say that my mother

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Speaker 3: They were used to me bossing them around when we

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Speaker 3: We used to my mother would be like, clean up

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Speaker 3: And like when huh, they don't do it?

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Speaker 3: I was burning from one end to the prison to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all should definitely listen to the episode I did

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Speaker 2: You said you listened to it and that was a

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Speaker 3: out to the streets, in my opinion.

438
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 2: And why is that?

439
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 3: Because as a CEO you learn interpersonal skills, you learn

440
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 3: communication skills, you learn how to speak to people, how

441
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 3: to de escalate verbal judo. You know, when I am

442
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 3: in the prison and I'm working a housing unit, and

443
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 3: I'm on a tier and there are a hundred guys

444
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 3: who are living on that tier, and I walk down

445
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 3: a tier and if I open the doors and half

446
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 3: of them come out, So there's fifty guys out. Am

447
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 3: I going to be tough tony right? Or people with

448
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 3: respect and treat them with respect? Right, even though they're incarcerated,

449
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,239
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that they don't still deserve respect. Now

450
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 3: you come at me crazy, then I'm gonna address you accordingly, but.

451
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: Crazy in the.

452
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 3: Right. But I'm not going to just pop off on

453
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 3: somebody unnecessarily. I'm putting myself at risk. Right, These are

454
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 3: guys as tough as I might be. I'm still a woman,

455
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 3: right fun of them hit me the wrong way. If

456
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 3: one of them decides that they want to sexually assault me,

457
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm going to fight until the end. But

458
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 3: essentially these guys could end up doing whatever they wanted

459
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 3: to do to me. So I have to operate in

460
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 3: a way where I'm treating them with respect so that

461
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 3: I can get that in return. It's reciprocal. Yeah, when

462
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 3: I don't have all of those tools around my back,

463
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 3: around my belt inside of the prison, like I don't

464
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 3: have a gun, a taser, I don't have any of that.

465
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 3: I have, you know, a key for it to open

466
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: the to unlock the gates, and like I have a

467
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 3: radio with a little red button on it that I

468
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 3: can hit while I'm getting my ask if I can.

469
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: Get to it.

470
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 2: Wait, so you didn't have a gun on are you?

471
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 3: There are no guns inside of jails or prisons.

472
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that would make sense, because God

473
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 2: forbid if one of the inmates get it. That's a

474
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: wrap exactly.

475
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely no guns inside of jails or prisons. Mmmm.

476
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So we're going to get into your first day

477
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: on the job as a police officer. But I want

478
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 2: to know your thoughts about all of the corruption that

479
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 2: goes on with the prisons, because you have people either

480
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 2: having babies with the people who are incarcerated, you have

481
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: people that's like hustling and like it's just so much

482
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: corruption that's going on, or even with the sexual assault

483
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: and things of that nature, like what do you think

484
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: about that and what can what can be done to

485
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: make it better?

486
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of that that goes on.

487
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 3: There's a lot more of that that doesn't happen. Let

488
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 3: me start with that. You know, the bad things tend

489
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: to be highlighted, and I agree. You know, so there

490
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 3: are a lot more officers who are not engaging in

491
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 3: that behavior. But for those who are, is like was

492
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: it already in their character or was it a matter

493
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 3: of them slowly being conditioned? You know, the people who

494
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 3: are in prison or jail, they don't have anything but

495
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 3: time to study you, right, And so I used to

496
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 3: say to my coworkers, like when I was working, I'm like,

497
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 3: do not use my first name, Do not talk about

498
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 3: like where I'm from, Like I don't. I wouldn't talk

499
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: about like restaurants that I went to, just in casual

500
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 3: conversation with my coworkers because those guys are listening to

501
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 3: everything we say. Talk about who my football team was,

502
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 3: because then they would know what area of the state

503
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 3: I was from. I like, I kept it real general

504
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: because I did not want people to know anything about

505
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 3: me so that they could try to use certain thing

506
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 3: or find out what it's like, find out who my

507
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 3: mother is, find out who my siblings are, target them

508
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: to try to get me to do something that they

509
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: wanted me to do. Like I just I was very

510
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: cognizant of that stuff. And maybe it's because my mother

511
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 3: was on the job, but I was like, I'm not

512
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: with it, and I made sure that my reputation was

513
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: they know she ain't the one like in housing unit

514
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 3: because I'm the young, cute, shit right, brand new. I

515
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: come on the housing unit. All of a sudden, these

516
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 3: jokers got their shirts off or they they doing pull ups,

517
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 3: they doing push ups, and I wasn't with it. I

518
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: was like, put some clothes on or lock in. Oh,

519
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 3: you can't tell me what to do. I'm telling you

520
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 3: put some clothes on to night. It's your choice. Here's

521
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 3: one and they will put some clothes on or there

522
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 3: were some like man, fuck this I'm locking in this

523
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 3: got me fucked up, it's your choice right in doing

524
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: that and making that name for myself. They knew I

525
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 3: wasn't with the ships like they I wasn't that chick

526
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 3: that they could get that off on. So I never

527
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: had a situation and granted again, I was only there

528
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 3: for less than a year, but I never had a

529
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: situation where someone asked me to do something I wasn't

530
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 3: supposed to do, or put or bring something in or

531
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: m or any of them tried to come at me sexually.

532
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: I had like one blow a kissed at me or

533
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 3: something like that, but I just like I wrote him up,

534
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 3: like you know, like but they knew, yeah, he was new,

535
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: and it got to the point where they would police themselves.

536
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: So if there was a new guy at the prison

537
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 3: who didn't know that and he would start, the other

538
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 3: ones be like no, no, no, no, no, chill, chill, chill,

539
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 3: we got him. We got him, Like get your boy.

540
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no, we got him. We

541
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: got him. Were good because I used the and I

542
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: guess maybe I got this from the academy, But it's

543
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 3: like if one messes up, you all mess up. So

544
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: if one person disrespects me. Everybody on the housing unit

545
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: feels it. Yeah, and where they would police themselves.

546
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: So its the one sound one this bitch.

547
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: Y'all.

548
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: Bet tell old boy, listen.

549
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 3: Now.

550
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: You spoke about how certain things in academy it felt

551
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: very it was very real, like being that you were

552
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: the only black woman and as well as your partner.

553
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: What were some of those things that you felt, if

554
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: you can speak about because of your race, you felt

555
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: like it was like something's not right.

556
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 3: I felt like they scrutinized me a lot more than

557
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: some of my parts. There weren't a lot of us

558
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: in the class. We started with thirty five and I

559
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: think we graduated thirty two, so it wasn't a huge class.

560
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 3: But it was one black man, one black woman, and

561
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 3: I think there might have been eight wo men in

562
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: that class. And I definitely was treated differently than the others.

563
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 3: They were a lot harder on me when it came

564
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 3: to the physical aspect of it. They couldn't come at

565
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: me when it came to the academic part of it

566
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: because I'm intelligent, like I didn't. I didn't have issues

567
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: with the testing or the academic aspect of it, but

568
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 3: the physical and then just the rest of the day

569
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: to day, like in the academy, were always wrong, even.

570
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: When we're right, we're wrong right.

571
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: But for me, it was like above and beyond. So

572
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: I remember specifically so in my first academy for corrections,

573
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: I developed asthma I had as an adult. I had

574
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: my first asthma attack on the PT field like a girl,

575
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: and so thankfully it was like a Friday, so Saturday,

576
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: I got cleared by my doctor and was able to

577
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: return to the academy. But fast forward to my second academy,

578
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: the physical aspect of it was a lot harder for

579
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: me than it was the first time, because now I

580
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 3: have asthma where I didn't have it.

581
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: Before, and so I'm interested.

582
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: I taught myself how to run through an asthma attack.

583
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: Like we'd be running for miles and miles and miles,

584
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: I'd be having an asthma attack. I taught myself how

585
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: to push through because I was like, I'm not quitting,

586
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: I'm not getting kicked out of this academy. And so

587
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 3: the physical part was a lot harder for me, and

588
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: I remember one specific day, PT was grueling, the physical

589
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: part of it, but I pushed through. I had an

590
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: asthma attack in the middle of it. I pushed through,

591
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: and so one of the instructors at the end of

592
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 3: our PT session came up to me. He's like, yo,

593
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 3: I saw you pushing through, like you did your thing.

594
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: Like I'm proud of you.

595
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: You did your thing, and you didn't have your pump,

596
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: did you?

597
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: I have my pump. But another instructor was like, nah,

598
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 3: she didn't fucking do anything. She was fucking sandbagging. She'd

599
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: fuck her because this is when they could talk to

600
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: us like that's in the academy. Fuck her, she didn't

601
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: do anything. She was fucking sandbagging. She doesn't get any

602
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: kudos for that. Fuck her, Go get in line, and

603
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: like yelled at me to go get in line. That

604
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: shit pissed me off so much because I'm like, yo,

605
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 3: I am bustling my behind out here, and like, again,

606
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: you're always wrong in the academy, but this specific day,

607
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: I was like, I ain't with it today, but I

608
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: maintain my academy bearing. I didn't say anything to him,

609
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: even because.

610
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 2: I would have been like, nigga, you got me fuck up.

611
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: That's what was going on in my head.

612
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: I would have gotten that nigga face, but you got annything.

613
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: You're academy, are you right? Why I get kicked out?

614
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: So and you came this far and not to come

615
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: this far exactly.

616
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: So, at the end of the day, when we're getting

617
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: ready to leave, he's giving us our you know, summary

618
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: of the day, our marching orders for that night, whatever

619
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: homework we're going to have, and we're supposed to look

620
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: at him, like we're supposed to sit straight up looking

621
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: at him, and I'm looking, but I'm not looking at him.

622
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 3: I'm kind of looking next to him, like I'm not

623
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: giving him the eye contact that he wants m and

624
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 3: he goes off like crash out. That's what they say now,

625
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: crash out. He crashed out in the podium. He was

626
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 3: he was like, you don't fucking treat me this way.

627
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: You fucking look at me when I'm talking to you.

628
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 3: And he picked up the podium and like flung it,

629
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: like tried to throw it at me. And I'm sitting

630
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 3: there and I'm looking. Now I'm looking at him, and

631
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: I have like, you know, the black girl, resting bitch face.

632
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: I don't say black girl, but the resting bitch face.

633
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about like, nigga, I wish

634
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: you would, because.

635
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: At this point I'm not saying anything, but I'm looking

636
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: like I dare you. I dare you because in my mind,

637
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, I will own this entire academy. I will

638
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: own this entire state. I promise you, I will sue

639
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: the shit out of all of y'all if you put

640
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: your hands on me. I promise you, I will sue

641
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: all of y'all. Like, this is what my face is saying.

642
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: And I think he caught it because he calmed down,

643
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: and he walked out, and somebody else came in and

644
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 3: dismissed us for the day. But I didn't forget that

645
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: there was nobody else in that class who he had

646
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: ever treated that way, even the biggest fuck ups of

647
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 3: the class, even those who could never get it together.

648
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: He had never ever ever treated any of them that way,

649
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: so far to the point where he damn near hits

650
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: them with a podium.

651
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: Now, I don't want to play the game guess what

652
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: race that is? I don't want to ask the question.

653
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: You already know.

654
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: But that was just one of you know, But why

655
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: do you think he had a personal vendennag issue? Like

656
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: and he I know he ain't treat the black man

657
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: like that. They messed with him too, but not so

658
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: for they threw a podium at him. No, not they

659
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: didn't throw a qodium at him, but they definitely messed

660
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: with him too. I mean, I can say that during

661
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: that police academy, they messed with the two of us

662
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: so much that I was like, I'm not quitting. I

663
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: will never quit, but once I'm done, I'm suing them.

664
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: I was in regulations of the academy. I was like,

665
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: because something is off. This is like the the treatment

666
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: between us and the other recruits is so disparaging, Like nah, no,

667
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: you no, it's so crazy. I just had an a

668
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: high moment because being that you're a woman, he wanted

669
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: to evoke fearing you because he's a man, and probably

670
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: with your partner, he probably wanted to emasculate him and

671
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: fuck with him mentally.

672
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: That could definitely be it right, probably onto something, but

673
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: I just I wasn't with it.

674
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: I was like, nah.

675
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: And I think by the end of the academy class

676
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 3: it got to the point, and this is something that

677
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: I experienced throughout my career. I think they got to

678
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 3: the point where they were like Okay, we are not

679
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 3: instilling fearing her. We can't beat her, maybe we should

680
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: join her because of the way that I presented, because

681
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: I was intelligent, because I spoke a certain way, calm too,

682
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: because I carried myself a certain way. Because of I

683
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: think that they felt like I was palatable, so I

684
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: could be the black face quote unquote.

685
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

686
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 3: So not realizing that just because I speak a certain way,

687
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: just because I'm intelligent, just because I carry myself a

688
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: certain way, doesn't mean that I am not like fist

689
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 3: in the air like power to the people because I

690
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: am them. It was like, Okay, we can't beat her,

691
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: let's join her, Let's make her, you know, kind of

692
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 3: like the face. So fast forward to my career, it

693
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 3: was the same thing. Like I had supervisors who tried

694
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,959
Speaker 3: to mess with me in the beginning, and I would

695
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 3: make it clear like I'm not that person that you

696
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 3: can get that off on. You're not going to treat

697
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 3: me a certain way, You're not going to instill fear

698
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: in me, You're not going to attempt to write me

699
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: up for nonsense so that you can get stuff on

700
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: my jacket. So that fast forward, I can't go to

701
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: specialized units and I can't get like. It's very strategic

702
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: in how they do certain things. And I recognized they

703
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 3: were trying to do it, and I nipped it in

704
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: the bud early. It was just like so one of

705
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: the things that they always taught us is that our

706
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: pen is one of our most mighty weapons in policing.

707
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: If it's not on paper, it didn't happen. Right for me,

708
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 3: I remembered that, and I write, well, again, I'm intelligent,

709
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: so and I'm not gonna say that. I'm just gonna

710
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: say I am probably more intelligent than a lot of

711
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 3: my colleagues. I'll leave it at that, right, but especially

712
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 3: going into this particular department and supervisors who would try

713
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: to write me up for nonsense, and I would confront

714
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: them in the moment like, Okay, the captain is telling

715
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: you to write me up for this nonsense, but you

716
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: know it's nonsense. I know it's nonsense you need to do.

717
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna see you m hm. So I'm not

718
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 3: telling you what to do because you are my supervisor,

719
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 3: you're my sergeant. I'm not here to tell you what

720
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: to do.

721
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 2: But play with something else that's safe, because I ain't

722
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: gonna want.

723
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: To do. But they would try to do that and

724
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: when they saw it wasn't working, and they saw how

725
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 3: I interacted with the community, how people gravitated towards, how

726
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: people enjoyed me, and how I did my job, how

727
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 3: I could make people do what they were supposed to do.

728
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: I could de escalate like I was good at my job.

729
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 3: It transitioned to oh shit, let's let's use her. Yeah, right,

730
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: And in that I took advantage of.

731
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: That as you should.

732
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 3: They were using me. I used them back. Every training

733
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: that I asked to go to, it was granted, right,

734
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: So I stacked my resume. Opportunities that came to me,

735
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 3: I stacked my resumee. I had the opportunity to be

736
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 3: on loan to a task force, like a federal task force,

737
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: again to stack my resume like specialized units. So it

738
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 3: helped me for you know. So they started out not

739
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: liking me, and then it was that we can't beat her,

740
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: so let's join her. And then they did. And then

741
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 3: the table switched when they asked me to do the

742
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: things weren't I wasn't supposed to do, and when I

743
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 3: said no, then the table switch and it was now

744
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: target her. Yeah, because I had used that time to

745
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 3: stack my resume. It helped me and that time to

746
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 3: build my network and people to see my work product,

747
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 3: how I am, what my true character is, not what

748
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 3: these people were trying to say that I was right.

749
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: It built such a network that it was helpful for

750
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: me to leave and go somewhere where I was more

751
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: appreciated and value.

752
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, y'all, when I tell you our guests, you

753
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: are definitely strategic. Because she'd be outside and even when

754
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: I was, I was on your Instagram page and I

755
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: was like, wait, I need to ask her to come

756
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: on the show, because I can tell how the different

757
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: speaking engagements you have done, the different volunteer opportunities you've

758
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: been a part of, like you could just you can

759
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: tell through the pictures how people gravitate towards you and

760
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: how they really respect you. And I think that's a

761
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: great thing to have, especially with you me and a

762
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 2: black woman and the relationship between black people and police,

763
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: and I think you do a really good job with

764
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: repairing it.

765
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: Thank you.

766
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: That's why I was like, I got to have you

767
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: on the show because yeah, and just to know what

768
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: you've been through up until now, it's like that is crazy.

769
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: That's that's just, that's one percent.

770
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: Right.

771
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: Career has been. But it's you know, I appreciate you

772
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: saying that, because I truly do believe that my journey

773
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: to this profession was all God. Again, I seem to

774
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: be a cop. I had no desire to be a cop,

775
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: but the just the way that my life happened, it

776
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: led me to it. And I do believe that I

777
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: am walking in my purpose. I'm supposed to be here,

778
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: I would not be as passionate about it. Yes, I

779
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 3: wasn't supposed to be here, like, I am extremely committed

780
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: to making sure that this job is done the right

781
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 3: way on my watch. Yeah right, I'm a person I

782
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: truly believe in procedural justice.

783
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: Like I'm not going to procedural justice.

784
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, it doesn't mean that I'm not holding

785
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 3: people accountable when they like I'm still doing my job,

786
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 3: but I'm making sure that it's done fair. I'm making

787
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 3: sure that it's done equitably like its people aren't going

788
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: to be railroaded on my watch. I'm not going to

789
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: let that happen. Or when victims who look like us

790
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 3: come in and they feel like they're being revictimized by

791
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: the system, and they're being revictimized by people who are

792
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: supposed to be in their corner but don't understand them.

793
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: They don't look like them, they don't understand the way

794
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: that they speak, they don't understand the way that they

795
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: were raised, they don't understand the culture right. And then

796
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: I come in with a level of cultural competency that

797
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 3: the people around them before did not have and make

798
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 3: these people feel seen and heard and valued and supported

799
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: and appreciated and supported, and like that's important to me,

800
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Just making sure that the

801
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 3: community knows that there is somebody on this side of

802
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: the fence or the coin or whatever doing things the

803
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: right way, who actually has their best interest at heart.

804
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: And who cares right.

805
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 3: I truly do. Like even when I was in uniform,

806
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: people knew, like, again, she cool, but she's gonna do

807
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: her job. She's cool, Like she's When I can use discretion,

808
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: I absolutely will. But in moments that I can't, I can't,

809
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: but I can't. It's going to be fair to you,

810
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like you're not going to

811
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: be treated wrong, You're not going to have hands put

812
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: on you unnecessarily. Now, am I saying that I've never

813
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 3: had to lay hands on anybody. No, it comes with

814
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 3: the job. There have been people who tried to hurt me,

815
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: or people who I was trying to arrest who were resisting,

816
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: where yes I did have to get them under control.

817
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: I know you can be a bitch down perfect. No,

818
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: she's trying to be humble.

819
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say this. You know, people tend to make

820
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 3: yep because they see me and I don't present like

821
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 3: a cop. If I don't tell people that I'm a cop,

822
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: nine times out of ten, they would not think.

823
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: I'm telling y'all, she a baddie. She's small at the.

824
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: Tea, hair done, nails done, everything did.

825
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: Listen. Every time I see how y'all, I'm telling my

826
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: beat to the gods. Okay, outfits be snatched. I'm like, listen,

827
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: if people only knew, because I could tell you how

828
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: you give it up.

829
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: Listen. And I tell my mentees, because I do a

830
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 3: lot of mentorship, I tell them, I'm like, you don't

831
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: have to lose your femininity to do this job. You

832
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: can't print surround like a princess, but you don't have

833
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 3: to try to assimilate to this hardened masculine you know,

834
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 3: persona if that's not who you are. But because I

835
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 3: come hair done, nails done, everything, did people think I

836
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 3: don't have hands? And I'm like, I'm like, don't let

837
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: the smooth taste fool you. I'm like, my model is like,

838
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: I ain't a killer, but don't push me right, I'm

839
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 3: going to start anything. But if you try to put

840
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 3: your hands on me and hurt me, You're gonna have

841
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 3: a problem.

842
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever been in a situation where

843
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: you had to arrest someone but you saw yourself in them?

844
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: That's a good question. Not necessarily saw myself in them?

845
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: In like, now do you want to give them a

846
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: second chance or help them out?

847
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: That happens all the time. So not necessarily see myself

848
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: in them, but I see their story. Yeah, the type

849
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: of person where I recognize that everyone has a story, absolutely,

850
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 3: and everyone's story is what led them to this exact

851
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: moment that we're in and what caused them to do

852
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: whatever it is that they did. And I recognized the

853
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: trauma that people have been experienced that lead them to

854
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: do certain things. And there are times where I do

855
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: feel like people do deserve a second chance. But I

856
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 3: also recognize that sometimes in someone being arrested, it is

857
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: for they're good, because that's that moment in their life

858
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 3: where they pivot.

859
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, doing and being what they were to being the.

860
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: Best version of themselves. This is where they get the

861
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 3: help or that maybe it's a slack on the wrist

862
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 3: that they get, but now they're in a program that

863
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: helps them to be better, you know what I mean,

864
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: And they're able to go back and speak to other

865
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 3: people who are troubled, who were going down the wrong path,

866
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: and they're able to help them. Like, I definitely recognize

867
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: that I've had people run up to me. I had

868
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 3: a girl she ran up to me back back in

869
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 3: the day when I shopped at Walmart, because I definitely

870
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: don't anymore. I stop shopping at Walmart way before the nonsense,

871
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 3: but I definitely help now. But she ran up to me,

872
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 3: calling my name, and I looked because I'm like, I

873
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: don't know if she's friend or fall. Yeah, because even

874
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: though I'm not an asshole cop, that doesn't mean that

875
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 3: people don't like me just because I'm a cop.

876
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fact.

877
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: She's running up on me and I'm looking at her

878
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 3: and I'm like, yeah, how can I help you? And

879
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 3: she's like, no, no, no, it's nothing bad. But you

880
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 3: arrested me three years ago.

881
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: Garriad Walmart, I don't want to her this shit.

882
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 3: But no, but I appreciate it. Arrested me three years ago,

883
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: and you remember I was pregnant and you took me

884
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: to the hospital and you talked to me, and girl,

885
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: she found out she was having twins. That oh, listen,

886
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: it's a whole story. But I remember looking at the thing.

887
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, that looked like two heartbeats, but

888
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: I didn't say anything, and come to find out it

889
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 3: was twins. But I had arrested her. She was going

890
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 3: to jail for quite some time, and she was pregnant

891
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: and she had our babies in jail. But she's talking

892
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 3: to me now about getting out and getting custody of

893
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: her kids back, and she's working and she's clean and

894
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: she's like to do And she was like, I just

895
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 3: want to thank you for being kind to me, for

896
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: treating me like a person. You weren't mean everyone's mean

897
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: to me.

898
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: You weren't like that because you imagined she would have

899
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: came across the wrong cop.

900
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's why I'm like, I again, I'm

901
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: committed to making sure this job is done the right

902
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 3: way on my watch. You don't have to be an

903
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 3: asshole to do this job. Yeah, we really don't. Now

904
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 3: do I have moments where I have to pull the

905
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 3: asshole out every now and then. Yes, for the joker

906
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 3: who is fighting me, yes, yeah, Yoko who are trying

907
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 3: to hurt me, Yes, But day to day, interaction to interaction,

908
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: you don't have to be an asshole like. I enjoy

909
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 3: when someone has an interaction with me and I have

910
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: them leave me thinking a little bit more highly of cops. Yeah,

911
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: like they see you know what, maybe not all of

912
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: them are the same. And on the opposite end with

913
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: my colleague, I operate in this space where I'm like,

914
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: I want to make sure that the people who look

915
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 3: like me recognize that everyone who wears a badge like

916
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: me isn't the same. And then I also operate from

917
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 3: I want to make sure that everyone who wears a

918
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: badge like me understands that everyone who looks like me

919
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: it's not the same.

920
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: Folk chow No.

921
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 3: But I sit at this intersection of being black and blue,

922
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: as I call it. Yeah, So I have the opportunity

923
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 3: to have a positive influence on both sides of the point.

924
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 3: So I want to make sure that I do that

925
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 3: as much as I can. Have you ever been physically

926
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 3: hurt on the job, Like, not really bad, but yeah,

927
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 3: I remember trying to arrest someone and him throwing me

928
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 3: into a brick wall. And brick walls are not sheet rocked.

929
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 3: They do not give at all. Oh my god, I

930
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 3: was hurt that. I was sore for about a week

931
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 3: after that one. Now, thankfully I didn't have any permanent damage,

932
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 3: like I didn't break anything or pulling. God, but that

933
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 3: brick wall that hurt. Oh wow, that hurts. Yeah.

934
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So what are some of the biggest misconceptions that

935
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: people have about police officers? Because I think that in

936
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 2: situations like this, I think that a lot of times

937
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: the bad out weigh the good you do.

938
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 3: So I would say a big misconception that people have

939
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 3: about police officers is that the good cops don't tell

940
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 3: them the bad cops. That's I hear there are no

941
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 3: good cops because the good cops don't tell them. That's

942
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: a good one. And that's not true, right, It's not true.

943
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 3: And it's also I also take it a step further

944
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 3: to say that there are a lot of good cops

945
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: who do speak out when someone is doing something that

946
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: they're not supposed to do. My all to action to

947
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 3: the community to those who say there aren't any good

948
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: cops because they don't tell them the bad cops is

949
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 3: when those good cops do tell them, the back cops

950
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 3: show up for them, and we are targeted by our

951
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 3: departments for telling on the bad cops, are suspended, and

952
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 3: we lose our jobs, and we can't pay our bills,

953
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,479
Speaker 3: and we're depressed, and we're going through divorces, et cetera,

954
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 3: et cetera. The same people who scream from the mountaintops

955
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: that there are no good cops because they don't tell

956
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 3: on the bad cops, when the good cops show up

957
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: and do what we're supposed to do and we're targeting,

958
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: the same people aren't there to support us. There aren't

959
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: any gofundmeans, there aren't any protests for all, and so

960
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: now we've done what we're supposed to do, and we

961
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 3: did it because we're supposed to do it, But now

962
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: we're left on an island by ourselves and everyone else

963
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: who screamed for us to do our job the way

964
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 3: we're supposed to bring go on about their lives right now,

965
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 3: we're here trying to figure it out. So to me,

966
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 3: like there's this misconception that there aren't any good cops.

967
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: There are a lot of us out here who are

968
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 3: really really doing this job the right way. My call

969
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 3: to action to the community is to identify those of

970
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 3: us who are and show up for us.

971
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 2: So do you think it's a slap in the face

972
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 2: when the community be like, we need police reform or

973
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: let's defund the police.

974
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 3: Like, No, I don't think it's a slap in the face.

975
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: Do I like the term defund the police? No, because

976
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 3: that I think it's too broad. If we're going to

977
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 3: talk about doing an audit to see where all the

978
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: funds that are going in a police budget and making

979
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: sure that they're being allocated appropriately, that that I'm one

980
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 3: thousand percent cool with, right, but defund the police. The

981
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 3: community can't ask for more training for police and simultaneously

982
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 3: say defund the police. Right, training costs money. Right, community

983
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 3: can't say that, you know, we need crime taking care

984
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 3: of and simultaneously say defund the police, because then there

985
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 3: are less officers on the street to take care of

986
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 3: that crime. Like, I think that it's too far opposite

987
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: end of the spectrum. I think there's more of a

988
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: it's a more nuanced conversation, lad. But I don't have

989
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 3: any problem with police reform. I am an advocate for

990
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: police reform. There are a lot of things that are

991
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: done that could be done differently, could stand to be

992
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 3: done differently. I recognize that, and I'm here for it, right.

993
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: But I do think that it's important for those who

994
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 3: are advocating for police reform to talk to us officers

995
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 3: who actually understand and want to better our communities and

996
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 3: the profession, so that they can have an understanding of

997
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: what police reform could look like realistically in a way

998
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 3: that it's going to work for everyone. And I say

999
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 3: that because sometimes I hear policies that are so far

1000
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 3: right that I'm like, nah, because you're marginalizing my community

1001
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 3: and I'm not here for that, right, right. I hear

1002
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 3: policies that are so far less I'm like, Okay, now

1003
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 3: you're trying to get me killed and while I'm doing

1004
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 3: my job, because you're not allowing me to actually do

1005
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 3: my job, right, So there has to be more nuanced

1006
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 3: conversation and there can be. But you know, there's a

1007
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 3: lot of reform that needs to be done. There's overhaul

1008
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: that needs to be done. You know, I'm one of

1009
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 3: the people who believe that this system. I don't think

1010
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 3: it's broken. I think it's working exactly how it was

1011
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 3: intended to work, y right. It wasn't intended to have

1012
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 3: our best interest at the part the fact. But I

1013
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 3: also don't agree with people who don't believe that there

1014
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 3: should be any police at all, because, like there are

1015
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 3: people who are upset with any of us being in

1016
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 3: the system, Like people who think I'm a bad guy.

1017
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how good hearted I am. You're a

1018
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 3: part of the system, so you're bad. And I look

1019
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 3: at it like this, Why do you not want someone

1020
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: in this system who has.

1021
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 2: Your best elites about to say that we need more

1022
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: people like you in the system to advocate for people

1023
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: like me.

1024
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 3: I would not want to make sure that the job

1025
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 3: is done the right way, because there are a lot

1026
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 3: of doctors who don't do what they're supposed to do,

1027
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 3: but you still want black doctors. Or there are a

1028
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 3: lot of teachers who don't do what they're supposed to do,

1029
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 3: but you still want.

1030
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: Teacher representation matters.

1031
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 3: It matters, and we need it all throughout the criminal

1032
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 3: justice system. We needed role, we need an approbation. We

1033
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 3: needed in officers. We need it in prosecutors. We need

1034
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 3: it in public defenders, we need it in judges. We

1035
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 3: need it everywhere and every system.

1036
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: Entry level, all the way up to top rank.

1037
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 3: Education system, health system, criminal justice system. We need advocates

1038
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 3: and ollies within every system. So you know, they single

1039
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 3: out policing and say that those of us who are

1040
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 3: doing the job right are still bad because we're a

1041
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 3: part of the system. I'm just like, it doesn't make

1042
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: sense to me because my presence de escalates the situation.

1043
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 3: My presence is going to ensure that you don't get

1044
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 3: your behind kicked unjustly.

1045
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: So do you think that trust between police and the

1046
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: black community can ever be fully restored?

1047
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, don't I think that. I think

1048
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 3: that the needle has been moved some, but there's still

1049
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 3: a long way to go.

1050
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1051
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 3: I think that. Unfortunately, the times that we're in right now,

1052
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 3: we're going to see a lot more of a regression.

1053
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 3: And I think that that's because people are really becoming

1054
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 3: emboldened right now during these current times, in this current

1055
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 3: federal administration, and I don't know what that is going

1056
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: to look like for policing in the event that, Like so,

1057
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 3: there's a conversation about officers potentially having full immunity, right that,

1058
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 3: to me, that would be problematic and I'm scary as

1059
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 3: an officer, I don't I don't think that officers should

1060
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 3: have full immunity. There are laws and guidelines that we

1061
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 3: should have to abide by as well.

1062
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 2: Absolutely nobody is above the law.

1063
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 3: Nobody is above it, and no one should be above it.

1064
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely from me, I don't think, not even the president.

1065
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 3: No, I don't think that we should have full community

1066
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 3: and not for nothing. For someone who does this job

1067
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 3: and is doing it the right way, what do you

1068
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 3: need full immunity for? Yeah, because if you have to,

1069
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 3: unfortunately discharge your firearm for some reason, if you're doing

1070
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 3: it because you had no choice, if it was the

1071
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 3: last resort, if someone was shooting at you or shooting

1072
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 3: at someone else, or whatever it might be. If you

1073
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 3: did your job the way that you're supposed to do it,

1074
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 3: that's the issue will clear you. So what do you

1075
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 3: need full immunity for? Yeah, because you did your job

1076
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 3: the way it was supposed to be done. You didn't

1077
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 3: step outside of the bounds. Why do you need full immunity?

1078
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 2: You know, as an officer, when you see videos of

1079
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 2: police brutality and they go viral, what's your first reaction?

1080
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 3: Here we go again, Here we go again. And I

1081
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 3: have gotten to the point where, for the most part,

1082
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 3: I can't watch the videos anymore.

1083
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't watch the videos.

1084
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 3: I used to watch the videos and people would send

1085
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: the videos to me, and I would kind of dissect

1086
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 3: them from an officer perspective, people like, you know, what

1087
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 3: do you think about this? And I would look at it,

1088
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 3: and you know, from an officer perspective, with all of

1089
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 3: the facts that I actually did would have at that time.

1090
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 3: I would say, based on what I see here and

1091
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 3: what I know, yes this was justified or not this

1092
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 3: wasn't okay right. And sometimes what I say the person

1093
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 3: agrees with, and sometimes what I say they don't like.

1094
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 3: If I say it's justified, and how could you say that?

1095
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 3: And then I walked them through the incident and what happened,

1096
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I would have done the same thing,

1097
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you're looking at it from a broad perspective,

1098
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 3: and I understand from your position as a layperson why

1099
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 3: it's problematic for you, and I get it. Anyone losing

1100
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 3: their life or being shot any at.

1101
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: All is not good, right.

1102
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, but from the eyes of an officer, I

1103
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 3: want to go home at the end of the night.

1104
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 3: In every inn's life, you do, right, you do. And

1105
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, I need you to humanize this officer. Right,

1106
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 3: You're upset because you see a white boy who did this,

1107
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 3: and I'm telling you, as this black woman officer, I

1108
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 3: would have done the exact same thing and this is why.

1109
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 3: And I break it down. And once I break it down,

1110
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, I didn't think of it like that.

1111
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I get it, and I don't expect

1112
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 3: you to because you don't do this job right. Right,

1113
00:57:54,240 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 3: But there are certain things that happened, so like if

1114
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 3: I'm looking for someone, like there have been situations where

1115
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 3: officers might have gone into a house looking for someone

1116
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 3: and there's a child in the house, an eight year old.

1117
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 3: Officers guns are drawn while they're looking for this person.

1118
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 3: The community might be upset with the fact that officers

1119
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 3: have guns drawn and there's an eight year old there, right,

1120
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 3: and I get that as a community member. But on

1121
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 3: the law enforcement side, this person that we're looking for

1122
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 3: is one if a homicide is known to have weapons,

1123
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 3: has stated that they don't want to go back to

1124
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 3: jail and will likely do anything that they can to

1125
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 3: not go back to jail. So while I am looking.

1126
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: Clearly putting an eight year old child in danger.

1127
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: Thank you?

1128
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1129
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 3: Right, So while I'm looking for them, yes, my gun

1130
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 3: is going to be drawn. Isn't going to be drawn

1131
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 3: at that eight year old? Absolutely not. It's the house

1132
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 3: going to be cleared to make sure that that child

1133
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 3: is out of harm's way, Absolutely right. But can I

1134
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 3: prevent that child being triedmatized from the initial interaction from

1135
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 3: US arriving, I can't prevent that. But I encounter with

1136
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 3: that community member, I'm like, but you're the one harboring

1137
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 3: a fugitive and you had this eight year old in

1138
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 3: the house, So did I put that child in danger?

1139
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 3: Or did you put that child in danger? And so

1140
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: but then I take it a step further and I'm like, well,

1141
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 3: because I'm here, I'm going to do everything in my

1142
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 3: power to mitigate the trauma that comes to that child,

1143
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 3: everything in my power to kind of like get them

1144
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 3: out and talk to them after the fact and help

1145
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 3: them to make them feel better because I'll go above

1146
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 3: and beyond. But every cop is not going to do that.

1147
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 3: But I'm like, don't be mad at me for doing

1148
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 3: my job when you're harboring the fugitive. And so it's

1149
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 3: just like moments like that where it's like I have

1150
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 3: to have these hard conversations with members of the community,

1151
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 3: But I have those hard conversations with my colleagues too,

1152
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 3: Like there have been times where I've stepped in where

1153
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 3: my colleague was about to do something that they weren't

1154
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: supposed to do and step in and I shut it down.

1155
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 3: That always been me. But you don't see those videos

1156
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 3: happening all the time because it doesn't escalate because us

1157
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: good cops jump in and intervene. It doesn't become a thing,

1158
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 3: so people don't ever know about it. It's when something

1159
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 3: goes bad and goes left and escalates that's where we

1160
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 3: see those videos go viral. But when one of us

1161
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 3: steps in, that's not salacious, right, that's not sexy, right,

1162
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 3: that's not something that people want to go viral, or

1163
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 3: it's not even captured because nothing happened, and.

1164
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 2: You know, people have a very unhealthy relationship with trauma.

1165
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 3: Porn absolutely dysfunction and trauma is like people just they

1166
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 3: thrive off of it.

1167
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: They do.

1168
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 3: There's so many of us out here who are doing

1169
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 3: good work, but we're not highlighted. And I guess, going

1170
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 3: back to your question about the misconception, that that's the misconception.

1171
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 3: There are so many of us out here who are really, really,

1172
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 3: really doing the work to bridge the community. But you know,

1173
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 3: bridge the gap between police and the black community and

1174
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 3: other marginalized communities. There are a lot of us out

1175
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 3: here doing this job the right way. And so to

1176
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 3: your listeners, I urge them to identify those officers in

1177
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 3: their communities and really show them some support because we

1178
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 3: need it. It's hard. Yeah, we talk to two communities

1179
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 3: where we were police officers and most of our colleagues

1180
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 3: don't understand us and don't really want us there. And

1181
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 3: then we belong to the black community, and there are

1182
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 3: members of the black community who don't understand us.

1183
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 2: Don't you too black for blue and too blue for black?

1184
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 3: Really, And that's litterally what I say.

1185
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a real thing.

1186
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 3: I'm too black to be fully blue, and I'm too

1187
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 3: blue to be fully black.

1188
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: SOA, I'm sorry.

1189
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, belonging to two worlds that

1190
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 3: don't particularly care for one another all the time, and

1191
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 3: all you want to do is make both of them better,

1192
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 3: but you're not actually accepted fully in either of them.

1193
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I can only imagine how difficult that

1194
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,959
Speaker 2: is for you to navigate between both worlds, because those

1195
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 2: worlds have always yeah, that's a perfect word word. So

1196
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 2: when you see these videos again go on viral as

1197
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 2: a black woman, how does that hit differently?

1198
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 3: It there's a compounded layer of trauma that I experienced

1199
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 3: watching those videos. So like when George Floyd was murdered,

1200
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 3: only I watched the full video, but only watched it once.

1201
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 3: Same I hyperventilated, snodding like bald and it was just,

1202
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 3: it was so hurtful to me that one of my

1203
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 3: colleagues could do that to another person, let alone someone

1204
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,479
Speaker 3: who looks like me. He could have been my brother,

1205
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 3: he could have been my uncle, he could have been

1206
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 3: my cousin. Yeh, daddy, And to see that, ye thus,

1207
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 3: it hurt me so much. And it's like, oh, I

1208
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 3: felt the same anger that the black community felt. And

1209
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 3: then it was compounded by the fact that I do

1210
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 3: this job right, and I actually felt a bit of

1211
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 3: guilt even though I know that all but like I

1212
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 3: said earlier, I have intervened so many times throughout my career.

1213
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 3: All I kept thinking, like, if I was there, that

1214
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 3: would not have happened. If I was there, that shit

1215
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 3: would not have happened. If I was there, I can

1216
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 3: say with one hundred percent certainty, George Flood would not

1217
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 3: have died that day. I can say with one hundred

1218
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 3: percent certainty, if I was there in New York, Eric

1219
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 3: Garner would not have died that day, Like because I

1220
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 3: stepped in. That's who I am, That's how I am,

1221
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 3: And so it just it hit different. And then when

1222
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 3: the protests came, it was challenging because now being a cop,

1223
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 3: you know, I have to navigate these protests and the

1224
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 3: community that I work so hard for within this profession

1225
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 3: making sure that things are done the right way are

1226
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 3: now attacking me and calling me everything but a child

1227
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 3: of God because of what I and not taking into

1228
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 3: consideration how I do it. Like Derek Chauvin, the guy

1229
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 3: who killed George Flood, like I'm not him, but because

1230
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 3: of him. I am being mistreated by people who I

1231
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 3: work so hard for. So it was just it was.

1232
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 3: It was a challenging time. It really, really really was.

1233
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 3: And you know, I know everybody can't receive that. There

1234
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 3: are some people who are like, well, yeah, you signed

1235
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 3: up for that job and that it just is what

1236
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 3: it is. And like, I hear you, But at your job,

1237
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 3: when you're mistreated, do you think, oh, well, I signed

1238
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 3: up for this job, so being is treated as cool. No, right, like,

1239
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 3: especially when I am truly doing the work to make

1240
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 3: sure it's done the right way. Oh my watch, Like

1241
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't say that enough. Not everybody in

1242
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 3: this job shows up that way. Not everyone like us

1243
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 3: in this job shows up this way. And I'm not

1244
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form saying that I am

1245
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 3: the end all be all. I am not perfect. I

1246
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 3: make mistakes just like everybody else, right, but I truly

1247
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 3: put my best foot forward as much as I can

1248
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 3: to do this job the right way.

1249
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1250
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 3: Be mistreated by the profession and the colleagues who don't

1251
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 3: want me there, right, mistreated by the community that I

1252
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 3: work so hard for. It it's rough.

1253
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 2: Listen, I can feel your emotions because I can't even

1254
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 2: imagine the weight of that type of guilt that you experience,

1255
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 2: especially during those times of like high emotion, high tension,

1256
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 2: and to a point where it makes you feel like

1257
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 2: you got to pick between your career and your community.

1258
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: Like that's that's a lot.

1259
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 3: Almost quit. Almost quit that that summer when George Club

1260
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 3: was murdered twenty twenty, I almost quit. I was like,

1261
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 3: why am I doing this right? Because one of the

1262
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 3: things that always helped me driven was being able to

1263
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 3: be one of those officers who could bridge that gap.

1264
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, dag, if I'm getting it from

1265
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 3: the profession and then I'm getting it from the community,

1266
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 3: what am I here for?

1267
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 2: What's right?

1268
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 3: Like? Why am I stressing myself out? Why am I

1269
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 3: putting my life in danger every day to go do

1270
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 3: this job for people who hate me because I do

1271
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 3: this job? Why joints? And so I did? I almost

1272
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 3: quit it? Yeah, your girl was out of here?

1273
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 2: So what did you going?

1274
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 3: I got therapy?

1275
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: Wow, And and stay way into my next topic, like

1276
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 2: how has this impacted to your mental health?

1277
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 3: In therapy, I had to m I had to talk

1278
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 3: to somebody. It was a I mean because it was

1279
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 3: the middle of COVID, so dealing with that and being

1280
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 3: an officer during COVID that's trauma in and of itself.

1281
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 3: And then George Floyd being murdered and dealing with that

1282
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 3: on top of that, and then other personal things I

1283
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 3: had going on in my life, like it. It was

1284
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 3: heavy for me at that time, and I was like,

1285
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 3: I need to talk to somebody, and so I got

1286
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 3: into therapy and it was the best thing I ever

1287
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 3: could have done for myself.

1288
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you believe enough is being done to protect

1289
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 2: the mental health of officers?

1290
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 3: No. I think that we're talking about it more now, absolutely,

1291
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 3: and there are programs for that. But I do feel

1292
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 3: like the programs are performative because at the end of

1293
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 3: the day, when we really need support, I don't feel

1294
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 3: like we always get it right as officers. And it's

1295
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 3: to me, a mental health is really important, and it's

1296
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 3: really important for officers to be okay, because when officers

1297
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 3: are not okay, then they project whatever it is that

1298
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 3: they're going through. Oh, absolutely serving right. So to me,

1299
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 3: when you have more mentally healthy officers, you have less

1300
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 3: negative interactions with the community. So whether the officer is white, black, blue, brown, purple,

1301
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 3: that officer being healthy mentally is important to me. Yeah,

1302
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 3: that officer, white, black, blue, brown, purple is still going

1303
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 3: to interact with the community and they need to be okay,

1304
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 3: because just like I said, everyone has a story, right,

1305
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 3: So everyone in the community has a story, but every

1306
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 3: officer has a story.

1307
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 2: Too, absolutely absolutely.

1308
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 3: And experiences that got them to where they are and

1309
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 3: why they show up the way that they show up,

1310
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 3: So them actually speaking to someone and working on whatever

1311
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 3: their traumas are. Because I remember, as officers, we see

1312
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 3: the worst of the worst, right, and that's something that

1313
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 3: I think people forget. Like everybody else runs away from danger,

1314
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 3: we run towards it. Yeah, we experience trauma way more

1315
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 3: than the average person does, and so that really messes

1316
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 3: with our minds. And we don't have the opportunity to

1317
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 3: come down from that trauma because it literally takes time

1318
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 3: for the brain to decompress situation. But we don't have

1319
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 3: enough time to decompress because we're back in the next shift. Yeah,

1320
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 3: experienced something else, and then are we decompressed a little bit,

1321
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 3: But then we're back in the next shift, right, And

1322
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 3: so we're not taking care of ourselves as officers. We

1323
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 3: can't really take care of the community the way that

1324
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 3: they need to be taken care of.

1325
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 2: And I can only imagine how desensitized you are to

1326
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 2: a lot of things because it's always, probably like non

1327
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 2: stop sometimes.

1328
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 3: So it's interesting because I am desensitized to a lot

1329
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 3: of things. Like at one point, I was in special

1330
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 3: Victims units, so I'm dealing with that.

1331
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 2: I not she was on line in order child Oli.

1332
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 3: I wanted to be Alivia Benson at one point in

1333
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 3: my career, I was right, And so I'm dealing with

1334
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 3: those types of crimes, and I had to desensitize myself

1335
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 3: to a certain extent so that I'm not internalizing that stuff.

1336
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 3: But I also and this is something that I would

1337
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 3: tell my officers because at my department, when I first

1338
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 3: went to policing, I did make ranks, so I was

1339
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 3: a sergeant, and I would tell my officers, Yes, you

1340
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 3: have to desensitize yourself to a certain extent so that

1341
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 3: you don't internalize everything. But you also have to maintain

1342
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 3: a certain level of empathy to remember that just because

1343
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 3: this is your job and you deal with this stuff

1344
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 3: every day, this is this person's life. This is the

1345
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 3: worst day of their Life's the worst thing that they've

1346
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 3: ever experienced. So you appos need to show up with

1347
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 3: that in mind and not compound the trauma unnecessarily because

1348
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 3: of how you show up. But even in my being

1349
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 3: desensitized to a lot of things, I'm actually hyper sensitive

1350
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 3: to a lot of things too, Like I don't watch

1351
01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 3: violent shows. I don't watch violent movies because my nervous

1352
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 3: system it doesn't respond to it. Well. Like I'm already

1353
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 3: in a profession that where I'm dealing with violence or

1354
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 3: I'm seeing violence, or I'm investigating violence. I don't want

1355
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 3: to see it in my off time.

1356
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn, Like you gonna be watching Order and Organized Crime?

1357
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 3: Law and Order, isn't it? Like it's minimally violent because

1358
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 3: that's my ship, that's view is my Like I do

1359
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 3: love SV but like I used to watch Power, I

1360
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 3: can't watch it anymore violent, right I used to like

1361
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 3: movies and stuff, I can't watch it. So like Thrones,

1362
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 3: people like you don't watch it, No, it's too violent

1363
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,799
Speaker 3: for me personally. I don't want to watch.

1364
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 2: It because because you experience it every day, I.

1365
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 3: Don't like the way it affects my nervous system. So

1366
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I want It's like if somebody were

1367
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 3: to say, like, what do you watch? I want the

1368
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 3: feel good I want the wrong com I have a

1369
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 3: good com like. I want something that's lighthearted, Like I

1370
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 3: just started watching a Different World again because it's on

1371
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 3: Netflix something like stuff like that. If it's not like that,

1372
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 3: you can keep it. I don't even watch like Love

1373
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 3: and Hip Hop basketball wise, Like, I don't watch any

1374
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 3: of that anymore. It's so dysfunctional.

1375
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1376
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, So do you think that officers should go through

1377
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 2: regular mental health evaluations?

1378
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, we get screened to get on the job,

1379
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 3: But I do think that it's important for us to

1380
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 3: make sure that we're taking care of our mental health

1381
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 3: because when I first get on the job, I haven't

1382
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 3: responded to like especially like someone like NYPD. Right when

1383
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 3: that officer first gets on the job, that officer hasn't

1384
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 3: experienced all the trauma that they're going to experience over

1385
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 3: their career. Yeah, but five years in, when they responded

1386
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:53,600
Speaker 3: to fatal car accidents and baby deaths and been in

1387
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 3: high speed chases themselves, and you know SVU and Arson, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

1388
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 3: Right the way that their mental state was when they

1389
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 3: started the job, is not with their mental later on, right,

1390
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 3: And it's not at any fault of the officer, but

1391
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 3: it's just it's just important to really put measures in

1392
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 3: place to make sure that we as officers are okay, yeah, yeah.

1393
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 2: We almost finished. But I remember when everything that was

1394
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 2: going on with George Floyd and Sandra Bland and just

1395
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 2: so many black people that was losing their hands to police.

1396
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 2: And I remember going to the store one time and

1397
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 2: I had to walk past this police officer. And I've

1398
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 2: never been scared scared of police because I know so

1399
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 2: many people growing up, especially in my family, who are

1400
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 2: in law enforcement. So I never had that type of

1401
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,560
Speaker 2: relationship with police. But I felt nervous and scared, and

1402
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 2: I remember I was almost having an anxiety attack when

1403
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 2: I was walking past him, and I was I had

1404
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 2: to get myself together, and I think one of the

1405
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 2: black cops he saw me and he was like, you good,

1406
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, I'm good, I'm good, and then

1407
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 2: I came back to reality. So I say that to say,

1408
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 2: you know, what would you say to a young black

1409
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 2: boy or a girl who's afraid of the police but

1410
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 2: they want to be a police officer one day or

1411
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 2: work in law enforcement.

1412
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, when you see a police officer,

1413
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 3: say him, say hi, start the interaction. Right, A lot

1414
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 3: of the community feels the same way that you felt

1415
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 3: walking past those officers. Right. Shoot, when I'm pulled over,

1416
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 3: my anxiety goes up, like right, let ask like how

1417
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 3: you probably feel when you're pulled over and your heart

1418
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 3: starts pitter pattern. Same thing happens to me. Right I'm

1419
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 3: in my eighteenth pier. But the only way that we

1420
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 3: are going to bridge the gap is to actually get

1421
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 3: to know and understand each other better. Absolutely, So we

1422
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 3: can't understand each other if we don't ever interact, if

1423
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 3: we don't ever communicate. Yeah, I tell members of the community,

1424
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 3: when you see an officer, say him, because that officer

1425
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 3: feels the tension, just like you feel the tension, and

1426
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 3: they may not want to say anything to you for

1427
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 3: fear of you rejecting them or it being it turning

1428
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 3: into a negative interaction when it didn't have to. So

1429
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,759
Speaker 3: if you open up the door to have a positive interaction,

1430
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 3: they're going to be more receptive. And I say the

1431
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 3: same thing on the opposite end, right to my colleagues,

1432
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 3: I'm like, when you see people, just say hello, yeah, yeah,

1433
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 3: just say hi. And I'm like, no, you're not always

1434
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 3: going to get a positive response, but sometimes you will,

1435
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 3: and you probably will get a positive response more times

1436
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 3: than not. Say hi, right, And I try to do

1437
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 3: that when I'm out because again, I don't look like

1438
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 3: a cop. Right, So when I'm out, officers, how y'all doing?

1439
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 3: Stay safe? Because if my interaction as a black woman

1440
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 3: who they don't know as a cop can be positive

1441
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 3: and I can put that little implant in their head, Okay,

1442
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 3: this black woman is positive, then hopefully that can change

1443
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 3: that one interaction can change it a little bit. Right.

1444
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 3: That's all we can do is like plant the mustard seed. Right,

1445
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 3: So we all have to do better. So I tell

1446
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 3: I tell people, say hi, Start how's your day going?

1447
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 3: Start a conversation, And I tell people get to know

1448
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 3: the officers who police in their communities, and as a

1449
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 3: kid who wants to be an officer, say hi and

1450
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 3: ask them about being an officer. Tell them to an officer,

1451
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 3: ask them about the job, ask them about the academy,

1452
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 3: ask them things because you might get a mentor out

1453
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 3: of it. Yeah, you know what I mean. So I say,

1454
01:16:56,120 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 3: just I know that we're all walking on eggshells to

1455
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 3: a certain extent when it comes to each other, each community.

1456
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 3: But I just think if we just take a moment

1457
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 3: to see each other as human, yeah, and have human interactions,

1458
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 3: I think that will go a lot further.

1459
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 2: You know what, God bless you, sus, because I can

1460
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 2: only imagine the amount of work you have to do

1461
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 2: to keep your hearts off.

1462
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 3: It's rough, it is rough, but it's like I have moments.

1463
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 2: Where because even passion can harden you, sometimes.

1464
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 3: It can, it can, but I have those moments where

1465
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 3: I have those human interactions and it reminds me why

1466
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 3: I do this job. In the days where I'm tired

1467
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 3: and I'm like, yo, I'm ready to retire, and really

1468
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 3: good interaction, or I have a case where I'm able

1469
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 3: to show up for someone and they feel seen, like

1470
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 3: a victim who feels seen, heard, valued, or case where

1471
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 3: it's a mistaken identity and I'm the person who figures

1472
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 3: out that we got the wrong. Well not we, but

1473
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 3: they right.

1474
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 2: Because I ain't taking it. I don't want no credit

1475
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 2: for that.

1476
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 3: I'm not the one who charged and arrested them. To

1477
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 3: be clear, I'm the one who's investigating after the fact

1478
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 3: that my name on that part. There's no mistaken identities

1479
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 3: on my watch. But I recognize that they arrested the

1480
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 3: wrong person, and I'm able to articulate that and show

1481
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 3: that and that person gets those charges dropped like stuff

1482
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,560
Speaker 3: like that. It's like, I literally look up and I'm like,

1483
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 3: all right, God, you can remind me why I'm still here,

1484
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 3: because you know, I needed that because I was ready

1485
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 3: to be out.

1486
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, how many more years?

1487
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 3: You got seven and a half countdown?

1488
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 2: It's gonna go by fast, I pray.

1489
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 3: So, I mean the first seventeen and a half have

1490
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:52,719
Speaker 3: gone by really fast.

1491
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you still looking like you in your twenties child.

1492
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 3: This gray hair. You know, Like, why didn't say that?

1493
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 3: Because I used to be the youngest person in the

1494
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 3: room and now you know, I'm one of the veterans.

1495
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 3: I wanted over it, and it's just it's wild to

1496
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 3: me to that, you know. Yeah, but it is what

1497
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,600
Speaker 3: it is. But I'm thankful, I'm blessed, and you know,

1498
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 3: I'm as challenging as it can be. I'm happy to

1499
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 3: do this job.

1500
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 2: So when it's time to hang up the badge, how

1501
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 2: do you want to be remembered.

1502
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 3: That's a great question.

1503
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 2: You know, I got to get my oprah on every

1504
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 2: now and then.

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Speaker 3: I want to be remembered as the person who was

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01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 3: again very passionate about making sure that this job was

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01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 3: done the right way on my watch. I want to

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01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:49,520
Speaker 3: be known as the person who led with empathy and compassion,

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01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 3: person who is remembered as someone who invested in the

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01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 3: next generation of law enforcement, making sure that they're being

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01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 3: taught and trained the right way and how to treat people.

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01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 3: I want to be remembered as someone who practice what I.

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01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 2: Preached, absolutely absolutely.

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01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 3: Operated in the way that I am speaking right now.

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01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 3: I want to be the person who is remembered as

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01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 3: someone didn't only talk that talk, but walked it as well.

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Speaker 2: M And last, but not least, one more question, what's

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Speaker 2: your advice for people to stay safe and calm during

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01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 2: police interactions?

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01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 3: People are not gonna like this. H do what you're

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01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 3: told to do in that moment. Your job in that

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01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 3: moment is not to litigate whether you're right or wrong.

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01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 3: Your job is not to convince the officer that you

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01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 3: are whatever. Your job is to get through the interaction

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01:20:55,320 --> 01:21:00,759
Speaker 3: safely right. So if they tell you to do something.

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01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 3: Do it. If you feel like they are not treating

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01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 3: you properly or you did not do what they're accusing

1528
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 3: you of doing, take certain mental notes. Take note of

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01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 3: what department it is. Take note of the name of

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01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 3: the officer. Take note of the badge number. Where let's

1531
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 3: say it's the traffic stop. Remember where you were stopped,

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01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,560
Speaker 3: you were around, what day it was, what time of

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01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 3: day it was, what the officer said to you, what

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01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 3: the interaction was, So that if you feel like you

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01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 3: do need to make a report, you have all of

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01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 3: the information that someone would need to investigate. But at

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01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 3: that moment, in the middle of it, it's not the

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01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 3: time to bark up or get based like. It's not

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01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 3: the time because at the end of the day, that

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01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,560
Speaker 3: officer has way more authority than you. Yeah, and that

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01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 3: officer as the power to take your freedom and or life. Yeah,

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01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 3: it's important that you remember that and not escalate a

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01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 3: situation unnecessarily. And so I and you know a lot

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01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 3: of people don't want to hear when someone says, well,

1545
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 3: you should have done what you were told to do.

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01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 3: I get it, trust me, trust me, I get it.

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01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 3: But I need you to get through the interaction safely,

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01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 3: and so in order to do that, I need you

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01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 3: to do what you were told to do and we

1550
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 3: will figure the rest out later. Right, you're not here

1551
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 3: or if you're hurt, that's not helping you. Yeah, right,

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01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 3: So get through it safely and then we could talk

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01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 3: about the rest later and navigate whatever it is that

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01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 3: you need to do later. Yeah, get through it safely.

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01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 2: You know what, sus. I know you've probably heard this

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01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 2: a thousand times, but I really do appreciate what you

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01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 2: do for our community. So thank you, thank you, thank you.

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01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 2: Your years are definitely not in vain, so I appreciate you.

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01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 2: I think that we need more people like you, especially

1560
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 2: in your field, to be more vocal and you know,

1561
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 2: to help foster this relationship or repair this relationship so

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01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 2: we can have more conversations like this so we all

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01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 2: can go home safely. So I appreciate you, sus I

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01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 2: really do. This was an excellent conversation.

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01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 3: That's so good. I needed this, And this is one

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01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 3: of those moments where I'm talking, I'm actually talking about

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01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 3: it out loud, and it's one of those moments like, sorry,

1568
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 3: thank you guys for reminding me why I do this job. Yeah,

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01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 3: I appreciate you having me on. I appreciate you listening

1570
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 3: to my story, you caring about my story. You know,

1571
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 3: it makes it a little bit easier to do this job.

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01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 2: So thank you of course, of course, and to the listeners,

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01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 2: if you have any questions, comments and concerns, please make

1574
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 2: sure to email me a hello at the psgpodcast dot com.

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01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 2: Like I always say, please share your stories because you

1576
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 2: never know how your storyline could be somebody else's lifeline.

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01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,759
Speaker 2: So to my guests, thank you so much and until

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Speaker 2: next time, everyone later ye. The Professional Homegirl Podcast is

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