WEBVTT - Ep. 46: The Wulff of Wall Street 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:08.280 Do you roll a surf cart full of tackle and 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:10.440 three ten a foot rods onto a crowded beach and 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.480 so blood wearings for Croaker's right where everyone is swimming. 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.599 Did you bring your favorite tackle, lures, a cooler of 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:18.759 food and drake if you feel you need it? And 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.640 away we go, getting these guys and just left Wall 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:23.759 Street a half an hour ago. They're like came in 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.080 the world. And then they get on the boat and 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.639 they can't cash bro deserves and raids. And to that, 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.159 I say, broke could have also been restocking the thing 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:36.920 um of bombers. Good morning to generate anglers and welcome 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:39.479 to Bend, the fishing podcast that relies solely on the 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.720 Flexile family of products for everything from mending outboard fuel 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.120 lines to turning any pair of pants in the waiters 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.440 to make in any live bit of soft plastic. I'm 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:52.280 Joe sphermelli a mouth nulty uh, and I I have 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.320 no idea where this is going, but I do feel 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:56.880 like I feel like I need to I need to 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.000 be the voice of reason here and and and put 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.000 out a little p s A. We have not picked 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.240 up flex Seal as a sponsor. Joe's not doing this 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.000 out of obligation. This is not a hard sell. I 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.039 don't know where the flex seal is coming from. That's true, 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.600 that's true, that that's accurate. However, I wouldn't mind picking 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.960 him up as a sponsor um because I'm about some 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.440 flex seal. Matter of fact. Matter of fact, the best 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.480 fly fishing trick I know revolves around it. Do you 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:26.319 wanna know what it is? Clear flex seal, in my opinion, 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:31.880 is the best sealing for foam flies, flier flex s. Yes, 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:33.640 so you didn't even know there was You're not on 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:37.360 the inside of the flex seal famil products, right, But 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.839 I learned this. But I learned this from my bud, 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.479 Carl Harris at c g H Custom Tackle. You actually 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:45.440 own some of his bugs. He sent its someone I 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.560 gave you um and you guys should also, you guys 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:51.320 listening should check him out. But anyway, Carl figured out 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.120 that clear flex seal like adds adorable shell, but true 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.560 to its name, stays flexible when dry. And I haven't 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.720 used anything else to seal a popper or a foam 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:04.280 bug since. But right, bonus tip, bonus tip, you have 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.840 to buy the jar of brush a will flex seal. Right, 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:11.000 not the spray and double bonus tip. Here's another bonus tip, 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.000 poured into a mason jar to store it because it's 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.560 more airtight like the can ends up not ceiling after 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:20.799 a while. Right, so poured into him ball mason jar. 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.120 Seal it up, got a huge jar that ship at 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:27.560 my tying desk. Shit, it's great stuff, great stuff. I'm 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.240 learning so much. The I mean, the base thing is 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.440 I honestly, dude, I had no idea flex Seal was 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.400 even around anymore. I thought that died. I thought it 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.000 died with Billy Mays. I don't know now oxy clean 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:43.120 died with Billy Mays. Bion's wasn't FLEXI It's all the 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.960 same to me. I will say that sounds like a 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.240 great tip, and it's definitely legit if Carl gave it 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.800 to you, because that dude makes he makes some sexy 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:55.440 baitfish imitation streamers. He thinks outside the box, that dude 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:59.120 with his patterns. Yeah, the Montana trout definitely approve of 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.160 those streamers. He A. I have tested that out, and 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.880 I'm he also got He also gave me some some 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.640 wicked looking frog patterns that I'm hoping to pin into 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.800 some bass face later this summer. But even if you 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.640 don't fly fish, which is fine, I happen to know 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:18.919 who makes some wicked conventional frog lures. Wow, that's funny, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.679 so do I. That would be thirteen Fishing, who were 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.440 very proud to say sponsors this show. And while I'm not, 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.079 I'm not gonna give up a ton of the goods 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.560 so that I don't ruin the next season of B 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.200 Side Fishing. Let's just say I put their trash pan 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.720 to hollow body frogs, both the regular traditional body and 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.840 the popping models to work in Virginia recently, and the 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:42.320 snakeheads responded extremely favorably. The trash pandas are tough frogs. 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:44.560 They can they could, I mean not no kidding, They 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.480 could take some serious abuse. I was very impressed by those. 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.720 Snakeheads are more abusive than bass when it comes, much 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.640 more so, a lot more toothy, a lot more toothy, 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.760 more more bite pressure too, I think, and I will 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.320 say that that few things bring me as much joys 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.560 as frog fish. I haven't done it actually since last 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.600 summer um, so I'm looking forward to that and I 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.160 am hoping that's the theme you're going with for this 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.880 episode because just please God, I hope it's not flexible. 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.600 That's not the full show. It's not that either. Um 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.560 it's but it's actually it's about flexing in general. See 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:22.200 what I did. It's topic, yeah, say it's creative. Uh, 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.880 this topic has come up time to time. But this 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:26.720 week I think we're gonna go all in on the 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.160 various ways in which anglers flex, and we all flex 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.880 even if we don't think we're flexing, which is sort 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:34.720 of part of the fund Like we're gonna expose your 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:40.400 subconscious flexing, like meta flexing exactly. Yeah, I dig it, 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:42.840 I dig it. Well, I mean, you know the obvious one, 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:44.080 and I don't think that where you going. But there's 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:48.600 the obvious flex. It's the dude who's crown about get 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:52.560 the biggest fish look at me, and those guys are 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.120 just assholes. So I'm guessing. I'm guessing you're gonna get 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:56.840 more nuanced and we're not just going to talk about 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.400 those guys all day because that would also suck. No, no, 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.720 And you're spot on right, because flexing over what you 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.600 caught is just too obvious and kind of lame. Like 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:08.360 one example, one of my favorite flexes um is just 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.960 simply being right about a lower fly. And I know 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.279 for sure you get this because you were a guide. 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.720 Right You're out with somebody that's struggling a bit and 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.680 just like insistent on fishing a certain way, and you're like, hey, man, 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.080 just look, just switch to this for a little bit, 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.760 just trust me, and you're right, Like, that's a good 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:28.359 flex and because because I'm at the point in my 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.880 fishing and I mean this where I enjoy seeing the 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.440 people i'm with catch fish as much as I enjoy 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.320 catching fish. It's like a double wind because I'm happy 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.640 about their success, but I also just got to flex 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:43.480 a little bit. It's great, it's I mean similar to that. 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.960 I feel like the ultimate form of what you're talking 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.400 about is seeing a stranger, like a complete stranger you 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.520 don't know, on the water, struggling well you've got it dialed, 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:57.640 and then just going up to them unprompted and offering 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:01.880 advice like it's it's the best because you get to 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.280 be both magnanimous and kind of an egotistical ass at 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.920 the same time. Right, Like you you were both the 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.400 nice guy, but you just flexed on him. And there's 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:14.119 also the opposite side which used to happen sometimes while 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:18.000 guiding right, And I know, I know that we had 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:19.880 tied on exactly the right thing. I know what they 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:21.960 were eating and how, and we're using the right thing. 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.880 But the clients still weren't catching fish because they weren't 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.479 listening and they weren't fishing it right right, And so 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:32.240 sometimes I'd get them, uh, do you think we should 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:37.239 try something different? Question? Right, And and at that point, 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.040 like I hated to do it, but I have to 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.800 take the rod and then like hook three fish on 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.080 three consecutive casts and just hand it back and say, no, 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.159 I think we should stick with that. I think we're good. 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:49.520 That's a good one. That's great, I said. Now another 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.159 one I love. I also really love. And it sounds shitty, 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.159 but it's true. I love catching fish behind somebody. Yeah, 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.400 and that might be the best flex of all and 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.960 for me at least, like it's a scenario at least 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.320 I don't end up in very often, and you wouldn't 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.280 unless you're you're you're kind of the guy that goes 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.280 out looking to do this to prove a point. But 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.680 every once in a while, right, you just unknowingly step 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.520 into that scenario where someone is where you want to 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:16.000 be and you're watching them just going they're not fishing 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:19.000 that effectively at all, and you don't push them out, 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.080 you don't make a scene. You just bide your time 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:22.760 close by way for them to give up the ghost 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.240 and just slide in and connect. And that's the thing 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.920 of beauty. I'm sorry. And you still don't comment or 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:30.720 rub it in. You just keep to yourself. But you 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.800 know they know, right And like I'm trying to think 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.600 the last time that happened to me, this was years ago. 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:39.880 It was one of Steelhead River in Ohio, and it 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.360 was it was glorious, just glorious. You described this as 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.520 a rare occurrence, but this happens all the time fishing 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.440 driftboats on the popular a good point where you're fishing. Yeah, 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.640 I could see that all the time. Like that was 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.520 that was the game. It still is the game. It's 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.280 and jumping ahead of another boat, like rowing around another 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.880 boat to get to the water before them. Is is 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.840 is that's a that's no, cannot do that. But there's 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.360 nothing wrong with hanging back and just mowing someone else's lawn, 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:09.760 as my my good guy buddy used to call it. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:15.840 Uh it's like it's the public yet quiet flex yep. 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:21.800 And it's just it's satisfying, satisfying. Uh. And and despite 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:25.240 the fact that I do like those more quiet, less, 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.720 little more low key flexus, that's that's that's more my style. 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.559 Sometimes you've got no choice. You just gotta be overt 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:33.920 about it. People from New York City and the boroughs 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:36.600 like out near where you are, they kind of already 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:40.360 have that reputation. Like the Jersey Shore thing is all 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:44.079 about overt flexing. I think that's I think that's what 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:49.840 the situation major game. That's right. And and on that topic, 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.880 all that like that, that fact about that area makes 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:57.400 the story we have for Smooth Moves this week Extra Suite. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:59.280 This is the part of the show where we get 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.080 guides and captains and shop workers anyone else makes live 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.640 in the fishing industry, and we bring them on and 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:06.800 we let them bitch about dumb things their clients doing. 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:11.800 Today we are joined by Staaten Island's native son, Captain 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:22.679 Frank Crest Telly. Why all right? Joining us today on 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:28.760 Smooth Moves are buddy Captain Frank Cress Telly. What's going on? Frankie, Hey, Joe? 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.400 How you doing good, good, it's good to see you. 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.280 And uh man, there's so much to set up about you. 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.160 So you're a you're a veteran captain in the New 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:41.640 York City area, originally from Staten Island, right born and raised, 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.200 and you've done You've had a huge hand in conservation 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.920 work on the striper scene. You have TV show Finchaser's 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:49.760 You're You're a man, you have you you you have 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:54.679 irons in many many fires. And there's the like, weren't 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.880 you also a mechanic and they're they're kind of other business. 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:01.640 I don't you've done everything, man, I mentioned anything like, oh, yeah, 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.320 I did that for a couple of years. I did 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.480 do a lot of different businesses order mechanic by trade, 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:11.160 and I had gas stations, repair shops and that until 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.400 we decided to have kids. And then we figured that, 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.040 you know, we somebody had to raise the kids, you know, 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.480 So I got out of that business and it was 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:25.720 changing dramatically. But yeah, we had used cars, rentals, little phones, 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:33.520 phone since oh you figured you figured being a charter 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.599 captain would give you more time with your family. I 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:37.920 bet that didn't really work out. What happened is once 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.600 the kids got into full time school. Then I actually 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.760 went to a Tony Robbins seminar, and I had to 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.760 figure out, like what was I gonna do? And and 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.000 and I decided, yeah, man, we love fishing. If I 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.680 can make that a business, you know, And I signed 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.920 up right there that Monday when I get out of 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.839 the place, and I signed up my buddy Dino as well. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.560 He had no choice. I went to his house, styled 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:03.559 the phone number for the captain, put the phone in 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:09.880 his hand. You've ever heard You've made it work. I mean, 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.280 there's so many things. You also run the Manhattan Cup tournament, 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.959 which I fished, um but on the actual like charter 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.360 for higher how many years have you been a captain 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.120 for hire Man? So this year would be like twenty 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.160 two years, so that a few years not you know, 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.839 only very special people because I've been focusing on the 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.160 video and TV stuff. And challenge in the beginning was 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.520 just that you want to take people fishing when it's good, 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.079 but you also want to film when it's good, and 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.719 it's hard to film even when it's good. You know, 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:43.720 the cameras comes on and the fish disappear. Uh so yeah, 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.160 but uh, you know, it was a time where I 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.280 did like a hundred and sixty trips a year for 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.880 a bunch of years and was doing six a week 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.280 and grinding it out. And seventy of my business comes 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.959 from Manhattan, so I would drive from that now and 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.720 to you know, twenty third Street, pick these people up, 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.240 and then start a trip from there. You know, when 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:06.360 market closed, stuff mostly afternoons, and then fly fishermen would 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.160 come in the morning, and it was it was great 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.160 when the fishing was great, and then not so great 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:16.000 when the fishing was you know, I always have so 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.839 much respect for the salty guys because like unlike a river, 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.520 the fish aren't always there every day, like if they 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.400 could just not be there. But you've so you do 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.840 the fly thing, you do inshore. You also have spent 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.439 a lot of time offshore. So I'm very curious with 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.240 this smooth move. Where are we going? Are we going 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:34.439 inshore Manhattan? We're going offshore to the canyons, you know, 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.400 knowing where you pull so many clients from that area. 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.040 You gotta have something good for us. I really hate 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.840 to like try and correct people are like put them 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:44.920 in their place, like about if they're wrong, But sometimes 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:49.240 they get on board very strong opinions about how State 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.959 Island Isn't that what you do if you're from Staten 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.720 Island Put correct people and put them in their place. Yeah, 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:56.880 and it would be you know, you gotta remember, like 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:58.920 you're getting these guys that just left Wall Street a 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:02.280 half an hour ago. They're making multimillion dollar deals, right, 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.440 They're like, came in the world, you know, Matthew mhonnock, 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.079 beating on his chest and everything. And then they get 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:12.560 on the boat and they can't cast, and I'm trying 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.040 to help him and it's making it worse. And then 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.280 they're like, oh, you know, my rod and this and that, 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.200 and like, dude, you just gotta shoot line. Just relaxed, 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.280 chill out, you know whatever. And so you know, this 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.920 one guy was really giving me a hard time and 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.559 we were having a hard time fishing. We were marking 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:33.280 fish everywhere, but we could not hook up. So finally 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.880 he goes, you know, you keep talking about these marking 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.480 these fish. You know that thing probably looks like that 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.400 all the time. You know, for hours you've been saying 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.920 So I said, oh you think that that's not working? 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:52.800 He goes, yeah, I go okay, oh, hold on a second, really, man, 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.000 and everybody starts me and I stopped moving away before 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.600 everybody really reeled their lines in right, and my mates 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.800 looking at me and I I hate the throttle and 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:04.959 we're flying offshore now we're right by Breezy Point and 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:08.400 I just I drive three miles straight out into the 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.280 shipping channel and I stopped the boat and everybody's looking 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.640 at me like what the hell going on? So I 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.360 told the guy come here, they bring it over the sound. 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.880 I said, you see no fish now, if you want, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:23.920 I'll take you back to at least where the fish 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.600 are and maybe they'll start biting in there. And the 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:31.520 guy was just like, oh boy, okay. So then it's funny. 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.920 On the on the way back, I decided'm gonna check 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.080 the rockaway reef because I really drove. These guys are 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:41.200 already offshore and well, and I go, now, you see 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:45.720 that's bait and fish on the machine. And the guy's like, yeah, okay, 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.400 I got it, Like you know, like I was rubbing 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.000 his face. I wasn't rubbing his face. I'm trying to 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.200 show this a little this would be and fish like 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.480 a little more ingredients, you know. And so he's looking 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.400 at his friend, like and he doesn't even touch a rod. 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.000 And the guy, who know is the least, you know, 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.240 barely fished. I go take that little diamond jake and 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.800 put it over and just you know, ja get and 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:09.840 he catches an albi And the guy was like so 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.320 pissed off that you know that he didn't believe the 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.840 whole program. But usually guys go along with, you know, 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:19.640 whatever you want to do, and I just want people 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.040 have fun. So like if they want to sit there 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.120 and drink beer and eat sandwiches and don't worry about fishing, 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.440 and that's fine, but you know, you usually got to 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:31.800 balance it up and the challenges The market closes the 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.600 same time every day, doesn't care what time, what the 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.480 tide is, what the wind is. You got to be 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.000 back in four or five hours because then they're gonna 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.360 go to dinner after that. So you had a very 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:46.240 small window to find fish every day. And it was interesting, man. 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.400 So like a lot of your deal, like you were 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.840 literally picking guys up in the South end of Manhattan, 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:55.320 like in the financial district to fish when the market 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.200 closed between that and their fancy dinner yep, and their 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.120 clients would never forget right. I mean they could take you. 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.080 How many hundred dollars steaks could these guys eat in 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.360 their life? And they forget where they went, But they 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.600 never forget if a guy takes some fishing and then 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.280 takes them out to dinner. So that's how we built. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.280 Like I know, I know you don't. You want to 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.520 have a good time, your mellow. We've hung out and 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.400 I know your program. But at the same time, I 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.480 also know that sometimes as the captain, you gotta flex 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:24.440 a little bit because otherwise people aren't going to trust you. 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.160 And if they don't trust you, they're not gonna catch 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.320 fish because they're not gonna listen to you. So every 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.320 once in a while you have to pull that power 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.040 move and be like, oh really, let me show you. 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:36.960 And then all of a sudden, like oh, they believe you, 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:38.240 and they get a little more, she said, all of 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.080 a sudden they start catching fish, so nobody will not nobody. 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:42.960 I never like doing that. I can tell you don't 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.080 like do it, but sometimes you have to do the 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.800 flex if you want the day to work out. Did 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.520 you get invited to all the dinners, all the power dinners? No? 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.200 I dropped them off. They go eat and then I 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.600 gotta drive sixteen miles home, clean the boat, and then 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.200 you know, by then it's eleven o'clock and then and 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.560 then to a fly trip in the morning or something. 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.359 You know. So if people don't think it's hard work, man, 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:10.719 it's hard work. Listen, don't be surprised if you hear 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.800 more from Captain frank On bent Down down the Road apiece, 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.520 or maybe just maybe see him in season three of 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.320 dust Boat, which is in the works right now. Anyway, 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.720 Frank Frankie is so fun and he was actually telling 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:24.600 us that that in those days when he was guiding 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.680 all the wall streets, it wasn't uncommon for these guys 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:29.800 to show up at the boat still wearing black wing 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:33.680 tips in a suit, which is funny because in their world, 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.280 like that look alone is a flex you know what 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:37.840 I mean. But as soon as you're trying to pull 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:39.520 it off on a striper boat, you're doing the opposite 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.040 of flexing. Like you just looked dumb. But he said 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.720 that was very common, you know. I really I like 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:46.320 that story for a lot of reasons. But one of 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.040 the things I think it brings up and and this 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.800 is true in my experience, like Frank was saying, most guys, 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.199 like the good guys people like consider good guys, they 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.840 don't want to flex. Yeah, of course, like the flex 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.720 is the it's the nuclear option. The should only be 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.600 used when all else fails and the clients just won't 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.639 listen to you or won't won't believe you. But you 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.560 do have to pull that card when you're forced to. Ultimately, 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.240 you're the captain of the boat. And if your crew, 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.520 if you're if your sports lose faith in you, that's 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:17.800 a problem and you've gotta get that ship back one 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.040 way or another. Sure, sure, but I mean unfortunately right too. 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.679 Any charter guys um use that business model though, they 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.639 just what they started out doing is the flex, instead 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:29.320 of using it to fix a problem, Like that's how 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.640 they go. Yeah, they just stake everything on this over 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.320 the top bravado about how they out fish everyone. And 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.800 I know that works for some people. Fifth fishing me 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.119 on shore. Believe that, believe that no one can in 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.000 to me. I haven't been making videos lately, but I'm 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:48.639 still out here catch up fish all the time. I 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:53.879 catch them all the time. Believe that. I It's unclear, however, 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.240 whether it worked for the gentleman, we recently discovered looking 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.199 for a fishing buddy on Craigslist. I don't think it did. 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.520 My guess is did not. But please let us know 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.679 if you would have been sold on the skills up 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:09.200 for grabs in this week's sale band, Why did you 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:11.359 put the hand to pay? You don't know what I'm getting. Man, 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.399 You didn't have to be so hurtful with me so angry. 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:18.080 So this week's sale ban item isn't exactly an item. 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.960 In fact, it's not even for sale. Okay, this comes 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.920 from it's not in a bin. Yeah, you won't find 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:30.440 it in a bin. No, really really kind of losing 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.840 the losing the thread here, but it makes sense. It 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.080 will make sense. You know it's gonna make sense, Okay. 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:39.000 And this comes from Craigslist m Philadelphia. Uh. And it's 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.440 it's from the barter section, which I have to admit, 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.960 I don't think I've ever looked at until this came along, right, 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:50.840 I'll be I didn't even know what existed until until 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.640 this came up. And I've bought, you know, I bought 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.320 and sold things on Craziest before. I've done that, but 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:01.880 never gone to the barter zone. And it feels sketchy, 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.240 Like that feels sketchy to me buying and selling stuff. 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:07.160 You know you've done the craigslist thing, like buying something 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:10.080 stuff with strange. It's already a little awkward, right. It's 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:12.639 it's fun when you're just scrolling through picks of stuff 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:14.920 and you're like, oh, I want with that, But then 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:18.280 you got to actually meet up with those people and 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:20.600 it's weird. It can be not always. Sometimes it's fine, 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:22.520 but sometimes it's weird. And I just imagine that the 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.960 Barter experiences is ten times worse. Oh yeah, And I 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.440 haven't bought a lot of stuff off Craigslist, but the 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:32.359 most recent purchase was a tug boat shaped sandbox from 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:34.840