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Speaker 1: um of bombers. Good morning to generate anglers and welcome

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Speaker 1: to Bend, the fishing podcast that relies solely on the

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Speaker 1: Flexile family of products for everything from mending outboard fuel

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Speaker 1: Smooth Moves are buddy Captain Frank Cress Telly. What's going on? Frankie, Hey, Joe?

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Speaker 1: How you doing good, good, it's good to see you.

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Speaker 1: this post we got and it's trippy, man. I quickly

425
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: realized this is where the Weird Deviant ship now goes

426
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: down on Craig's list since they got rid of the

427
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: blatant you know. Click here for Weird Deviant Ship page.

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Speaker 1: You know Um, so just like a few quick examples,

429
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: and this is this is ten minutes of scrolling. This

430
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: wasn't like hours of searching. Um there was a post

431
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: offering one ladies handbags that read one hundred dollars. Takes

432
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: all the bags in the picture, maybe barter one or

433
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: two of them. Let me know what you're good at.

434
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, yeah, that's that is a question that

435
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm I can almost guarantee I would never answer that

436
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: question if it was asked to me by some random

437
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: dude on the internet. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, dude, it's icky.

438
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: It's icky. And then there was a guy trying to

439
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 1: trade at painting of George Washington for a laundry list

440
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: of items that included steal I s O shipping containers,

441
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: mushroom production equipment, a drone with an HD camera, UH

442
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: sliding compound, miter salt, or a fitbit smart watch. Like

443
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 1: it's wacked out, it's wacked out. Yeah, I don't know, man,

444
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: this just talking about this is making me think I

445
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: should I'm not sure if this is making me think

446
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: I should spend more time checking out the barter section

447
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: or if I have made the right choice in avoiding it.

448
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: It could really go either way. But listener, Nick Dombrowski,

449
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: he's obviously chosen that he should hang out there, that

450
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: it's worth it because he sent us a post titled

451
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: four to five hour fishing trip for barter. And I

452
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: think we got to say that the gentleman that posted

453
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 1: this is no Jerry the canoe salesman when it comes

454
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: to the words smith thing. But it's still pretty good

455
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: to give the guy credit. At least he knows how

456
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: to post a photo, and in this case, he chose

457
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: a shot of a large mouth bass, a very i'd say,

458
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: a relatively impressive large mouth bass reproduction mount. So let's begin,

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00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: And just so everyone understands my yelling tone, the post

460
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: was written in all caps. It's got to be read

461
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 1: this way because that's how I perceive it as well. Yes,

462
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: I will trade a four to five hour fishing trip

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00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: on my boat on the waters of Penn Warner. We

464
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: will pitch lures like spinners and bits at the ducks

465
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: or shoreline structures, slow fish, plastics or jigs, troll lures

466
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: for bass, pike and pickerel, whatever you like. You bring

467
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: your favorite tackle lures, a cooler of food and drink.

468
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: If you feel you need it, and away we go.

469
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: That's all I hear it, I know, so before before

470
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: we go on, I just gotta add I actually live

471
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: right near pen Warner and it's a it's a bunch

472
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: of private lakes that I actually think are owned by

473
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: a waste management company. Um, but they're stocked and you

474
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: have to have a membership to fish it. So I

475
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: just want everyone to understand that the pot is actually

476
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: being sweetened here by this being private water. However, they're

477
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: these huge lakes, there's also plenty of natural you know,

478
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: fish reproduction, and there's also a shipload of members, so

479
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: even though it's private, they get pounded. I've fished it

480
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: a handful of times, and what I'm basically saying is

481
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 1: just because it's private, it's not automatic, Like the fishing

482
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: can still suck there. So it's not that the pot

483
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: is not that much, right, So let's go on. I

484
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: am bartering my time boat and knowledge. I have been

485
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: out and caught bass and pike already, so it only

486
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: gets better as the spring progresses into summer. We would

487
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: probably start six or seven am until whenever. I am

488
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: not a professional fisherman or a guide of any sorts.

489
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: I am just a fisherman of over fifty five years

490
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: with many trophies to my name, looking to go fishing.

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00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: So you just explained like it's private water, but it's

492
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: not necessarily that good. And he he tells us you

493
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: can't use his rods and rules and you're on your

494
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: own for lunch. If if you think hunger is going

495
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: to be an issue for you, think human you handle that.

496
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: But but there's also there's a contradiction here and that

497
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Speaker 1: he says you'll start at six or seven am until

498
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: quote whenever, but if you look at the title of

499
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: the post, then you be done by noon at the

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00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: latest and all. So my take, the way that I

501
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: interpret this is that the length of the day, of

502
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: the duration you get to fish will be solely based

503
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: around whether or not he likes you. Right, So I

504
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: think this this is a good comparison Jerry, because like Jerry,

505
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: this guy he's looking for a friend. He just he

506
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: just can't say that he's acting like he needs a

507
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: little something return when he really just wants a fishing buddy.

508
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: But here's the closing. We'll finish it up just looking

509
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: to trade a day of fishing to see what people offer,

510
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: I can only take one person. Is that's what my

511
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: membership rules dictate. There will be no money exchanged. I

512
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: charge nothing, just a barterer of something. Let me know

513
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: if interested, and let me know what you have to trade.

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00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: It's it's so vague, right, So what is the value

515
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: of this trip? And I'm I'm I'm really asking, like

516
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: at least I don't know. At least the guy with

517
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: the George Washington paintings toodfirm that it was worth four

518
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: K four grand, which is why he felt he could

519
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: ask for a drone in a band, Saul, But how

520
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: do you even approach this? Like based it around what

521
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: a guide's day rate? That doesn't seem Yeah, what's offensive?

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00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: If I said, I'll give you a book of Burger

523
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: Can coupons in a case of Natty light, are we good?

524
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: I don't know a weed whacker that needs some TLC?

525
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: What's acceptable? I don't know. Even I wouldn't know how

526
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: to approach it, don't. I mean, my my gut in

527
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: a situation like this is because this is how I

528
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: was raised. I think of food, right, I would offer

529
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: a nice lunch, but the Duda's already made it clear

530
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: that he thinks needing to eat or drink wall fishingcause

531
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: a sign of weakness. So I don't think that's the

532
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: angle that you want to take. Like I don't know,

533
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta shipload of hats. I'm sure you

534
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: do too, maybe like I'll give I'll give you five hats.

535
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think the only solution

536
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: we have is that you you live out there, dude,

537
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: you gotta test this and see what it will take.

538
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: Maybe you could go, dude, you here, you go big.

539
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: You offer him like a new thirteen rotten reel set

540
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: up and just blow his mind because you know he's

541
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: gonna take that. And then but the caveat is that

542
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 1: you get to record the whole day for the podcast.

543
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: I dare you, I dare you to do this? Oh

544
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: dare wow? Like what like what like double dog, triple dog,

545
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: double dog and this double dog territory because don't tempt

546
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: me with a good time that could actually be a

547
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: complete nightmare. Are you familiar with the film Tusk anyway? Vaguely? Vaguely,

548
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: we'll see. Maybe I'll consider it because it could also

549
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: be great anyway, Nick, thanks for this and to everyone

550
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: else out there, don't overlook those barter pages. Clearly we

551
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: are missing out on some gems. Dare I say, maybe

552
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: even the better creepier gems. And when you find something juicy,

553
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: shoot that link to Bent at the meat eater dot com. Well,

554
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: that guy has plenty of trophies to his name, and

555
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm always looking at another trophy to my name for

556
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: supplying the most poignant fish related news story. So here

557
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: it comes that weekly flex of Internet searching ability we

558
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: call fish news. Fish news that escalated quickly quick follow

559
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: up on last week's sale bin segment, when we made

560
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: fun of the explosive hook fish net, which is like

561
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: a castable throw net with bait. In case you missed it,

562
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: a couple of you sent links to YouTube videos which

563
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: sent me down this rabbit hole that I probably should

564
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: have explored before we did. The segments would have been

565
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: if we have we done an upsie. If we had

566
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: an upsie, we might have we might have I will,

567
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: I will keep it short, long story short. It turns

568
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: out this product is is actually incredibly popular just in

569
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: in Southeast Asia. Not here and over there. They called

570
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: they're they're they're commonly called spring bomb nets. I actually

571
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: watched one video where there's this tiny little pond and

572
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: the banks of this pond are just lined like shoulders

573
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: shoulder with people, and all of them, every single one,

574
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: has a spring bomb net at the end of their

575
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: their spinning rod line all of them. So it turns

576
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: out if you're a subsistence fisherman in Southeast Asia targeting

577
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: telapia and sick lids in your local pond, these are

578
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: highly effective and they make perfect sense. Right. Some of

579
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: these videos actually featured Cambodian kids, who, if I'm being honest,

580
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: they clearly live in poverty and they're they're using spring

581
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: bomb nets to like help feed their families. And what

582
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: I can't figure out is how they self film their

583
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: adventures or upload them to YouTube. But such is the

584
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: world that we live in, right, Like YouTube channels are

585
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: cheaper than shirts now, it seems. Anyway, the whole thing

586
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: made me feel like kind of an ask dude, if

587
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, because like I made fun of

588
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: something that's like feeding hungry people and were fortunate enough

589
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: to live like we're fortunate enough to not need spring

590
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: bomb net, right, we don't need that. Okay, here's what

591
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: I want to say that I think like where we

592
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: failed was that we we said it doesn't work right,

593
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: we couldn't figure out how it would work, but clearly

594
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: it does right. So okay, fine, we screwed that part up,

595
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: but like we found it on a site that was

596
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: marketing it to US anglers, so like we're still allowed

597
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: to put I don't I don't feel that bad. I'm

598
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: not losing sleep, but I know and I don't think.

599
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: I don't think these are going to catch on in

600
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: the US anytime soon, but they certainly have a market.

601
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: We just missed it. No. Plus, you send them kids

602
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: a case of trout magnets, they'll forget all about their nets.

603
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: Light them up, Light them up. Speaking of speaking of

604
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: feeling like an ask, I actually have a sort of

605
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: a correction this week. Um it's it's actually not really correction,

606
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: but more proof that I'm just somewhat slow. You did

607
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: that story about the fishing tourney with Old Walter the

608
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: small mouth, right, and it was like if you caught it,

609
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: you got a hundred thousand dollars, but you had to

610
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: catch it over a weekend, and then the prize dropped.

611
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 1: And I said, this was shady, because like this Marina

612
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: has a hundred k sitting around to give. It's weird,

613
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: And a bunch of people wrote in and where like, hey,

614
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: dim wit, like you take out an insurance policy for

615
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: something like that, Like when people, yeah, like when people

616
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: are putting up a bunch of money as a cash

617
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: prize where it's like a competition like that, Apparently the

618
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: insurance payment is less than the prize value in the

619
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: insurance company is just hoping someone doesn't win. So they're like, no,

620
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: of course they don't have a hundred grands sitting around.

621
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: They have fifteen hundred dollars sitting around, which is why

622
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: the prize dropped to fill after the weekend. But that once,

623
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: once it was said, it made total sense in my

624
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: head and reiterated why I could never own my own

625
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: business because the finances are lost on me. I do

626
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: not understand such grown up things. My head never went there.

627
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: But so thanks for that, everybody. Um final thing before

628
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: we get in the news. Uh, you know those fish

629
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: eating fish eating fish t shirts and hoodies we've just

630
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: been cramming down your throats. We've decided to give one

631
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: of each away. You know why, because we're cool like that.

632
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: It's true that we are. We are cool like that,

633
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: and we don't need to special occasion to give you ship,

634
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: so for one week and one week only, kind of

635
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: similar to how we've done giveways in the past. Those degenerate,

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Speaker 1: Angler and Bent podcast hashtags are worth more than stickers,

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00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: that's right. So to qualify, we're looking for the pictures

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Speaker 1: using those tags posted between today, which is June and

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00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: next Friday, which is July two. In other words, you

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00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: gotta do this between now and when the next episode airs.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I don't know, make us laugh, gasp, wins, cry,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but we'll pick one of our favorites,

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Speaker 1: and Miles and I will post the winner on Saturday morning,

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00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: July three on our Instagram accounts, and somebody is going

645
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Speaker 1: to get a fresh fish eating fish tea and hoodie

646
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Speaker 1: and you will look sharp. It's like a it's like

647
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: a cornucopy of degeneracy, much like this show. All right,

648
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: moving on to fish news. Quick reminder that this is

649
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: a competition. Joe and I do not know what the

650
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: other is bringing to the table, and we are as

651
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: always competing for the love, affection and validation of our patrons.

652
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: Sat of all things auditory filled the engineer who will

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00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: declare one of us a winner and relegate the other

654
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: two a week of self doubt and question of life choices.

655
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: Joe's got the lead this week. Yeah, and if I win,

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Speaker 1: Phil gets a hoodie, and if you win, he gets

657
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: the T shirt. So there's more incentive for me to

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Speaker 1: take the it's it's a light, it's a night. It's

659
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Speaker 1: a nice weight the hoodie. Anyways, here's where I'm gonna start.

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00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: This comes from our Canadian listeners. Several of them are

661
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: alerted me to this story, and it's pretty interesting and

662
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: sort of speaks to like fish perceptions by country and regions.

663
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: So here in the US, of course, bass are the

664
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Speaker 1: king dog, number one most coveted fish in the US,

665
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: and I'm mainly talking large mouths there, but we love

666
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: a nice small mouth here as well. Well. Certain conservation

667
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: groups in New Brunswick, Canada flip and hate small mouths

668
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: right now, and they hate them so much that they're

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Speaker 1: willing to poison the famed Mirror Machee River to get

670
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: rid of them. Okay, yeah, it's a big deal. Yeah right,

671
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: So small mouth just so are all on the same page.

672
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: Are not native to New Brunswick. They were first found

673
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: in Mirror Machie Lake in two thousand eight, and it's

674
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 1: believed that they were illegally stocked by bucket biologists. Somebody

675
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: thought these would be great to catch here and put

676
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: them in. So this story comes from CBC News and

677
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: it says a growing population of smallmouth bass in Mirror

678
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: Machie Lake, Lake Brook and a portion of the southwest

679
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: Mirror Machi River has been threatening Atlantic salmon as well

680
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: as brook trout native to the waters. Salmon conservation groups

681
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: sat smallmouth bass threatened salmon and trout by taking over

682
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: their food and habitats, said Neville crab, a spokesman with

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Speaker 1: the Atlantic Salmon Federation. They can also threaten other native

684
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: species around them. So the federal government has officially greenlit

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Speaker 1: the eradication of the small mouths by spraying the fish

686
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: killing pesticide, wrote known starting this August. And of course

687
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Speaker 1: this got my attention because I know that the Atlantic

688
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: salmon is to the Canadian Maritimes, what stripers in large

689
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: mouth out of the US. And I mean, look, the

690
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: Mirror Machie isn't some little no name trickle right like,

691
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: this is big hallowed water and naturally the first thing

692
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Speaker 1: I thought was, how are you gonna how are you

693
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: gonna route know in these areas and not have it

694
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: affect the salmon because, and this is directly from the story,

695
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: the product will kill the vast majority of fish in

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Speaker 1: the waters being treated. According to an authorization document from

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Speaker 1: Fisheries and Oceans Canada, the death and decomposition of fish

698
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: will modify the food web, the fish habitat, ecological structure,

699
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: and the nutrient input of the waters. But as it

700
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Speaker 1: turns out, right so some of the salmon conservation groups

701
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: are pushing the hardest for this and actually wanted it

702
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: to happen last summer, but it got roadblocked by the government,

703
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Speaker 1: partially because a lot of people with waterfront homes on

704
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: Mirror Machie Lake, We're just worried about dealing with piles

705
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: of decomposing fish and their kids swimming in the lake

706
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: and such. And residents are still complaining about all this.

707
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Speaker 1: Some have been told they'll have to avoid the lake

708
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: for several days, but the spraying is happening. They'll start

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Speaker 1: on augustift and um some waters may actually receive a

710
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: second dose in September. Now, the salmon conservation groups are

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Speaker 1: participating in the spraying of seventeen point two kilometers and,

712
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: according to the story, to mitigate the number of Atlantic

713
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Speaker 1: salmon affected by the road, no salmon will be captured

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Speaker 1: and held elsewhere prior to releasing the pesticide. Barriers will

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Speaker 1: also be installed to prevent salmon from entering the area

716
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: being sprayed. Those barriers will be removed once a water

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Speaker 1: purifier has deactivated the pesticide, allowing salmon and trout to

718
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Speaker 1: migrate back in. Crabs said the road nome will not

719
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Speaker 1: be at concentrations lethal enough to destroy all fish in

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Speaker 1: the water. Brown bullhead, catfish and golden shiner, for example,

721
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: are expected to survive. So the salmon folks are saying, yeah,

722
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: this is harsh, but you know, look, people come to

723
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Speaker 1: New Brunswick for Atlantics. They are the biggest economic driver.

724
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: They are what people expect to catch in these rivers

725
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: above all else a growing smallmouth population would drastically alter

726
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: the ecosystem. So this is what has to be done.

727
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: But this is where it sort of gets a little

728
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: bit sticky, right. The New Brunswick Aboriginal People's Counsel, on

729
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: the other hand, is saying, hey, listen, we're already catching

730
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Speaker 1: small amounts in areas outside the ones you guys are

731
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: saying has them. They've already flushed the system. They're not confined.

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Speaker 1: So this is all going to do more harm than good.

733
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Speaker 1: They're saying, you know, you're you're forgetting about insects and

734
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: birds stuff like that, Like is that even being considered um.

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00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: To further back up their claim, the story sites a

736
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Speaker 1: two thousand nine Department of Fisheries and Oceans report that says,

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Speaker 1: if these small amounts get into the Southwest mirror machine,

738
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Speaker 1: eradication efforts will be pointless. And they're there. They were

739
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: first spotted there in that section of the river in

740
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: so it's a whole delity of a pickle here. But

741
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: they are moving on with the spray. Oh ah, that's

742
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: a that is a tangled web, all right. First, First

743
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: is a procedural question. They have a way of moving

744
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: the salmon out. I would love to know what that is,

745
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: but they did not, like, they did not go into that.

746
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: I was thinking of the same thing, the piece that

747
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to fit for me, because if you have

748
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: a way of moving the salmon out, why wouldn't you

749
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: have a way of capturing the small mouth, Like I

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00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: would think those would be one and the same exactly.

751
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: And uh, if I had to guess, like they know

752
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be death there that they don't like,

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00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: I don't know how you could possibly get them. You're

754
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: not going to get them all, you're not, you know,

755
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: so I don't know. Man to me, I definitely see

756
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: both sides of this, and I know how rabbit a

757
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: smallmouth can be. Although it's ironic because I live in

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00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: a place where like the smallmouth fishing has really tanked,

759
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like these big aggressive fish

760
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: to take over everything. So it's just funny to see

761
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: it sort of both ways. But it just comes back

762
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: to that like mentality of we are salmon country, salm

763
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: and salm and salm and salmon sam whatever you have

764
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: to do to protect salmon. Having spoke to some some

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00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: people in this area in the past, I know that

766
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: there's there's like significance and over small mouth and pike

767
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: blinding those waters and and and having a negative impact

768
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: on on the brook trout in the salmon and both

769
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: both of which you are are fish that are that

770
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: are experiencing declines anyway, and they don't need any more problems, right,

771
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: So I get it. I understand the issue at hand.

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00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sold on this mitigation effort. It kind of

773
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: seems like too little, too late, and it might have

774
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: cascading effects that the people aren't aren't thinking about, you

775
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Agreed, I mean two thousand eight,

776
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: like that would have been the time to do something

777
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: drastic when they first found them in this lake. Yeah,

778
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: but that's sort of how biocracy works. And I also

779
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: like to play devil's advocate. You want to do enough

780
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: preliminary research to understand what you're doing and and try

781
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: and think about the consequences that come from that. So

782
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: I hope that's what they were doing and they figured

783
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: all those things out, and that's why it took this long.

784
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: If that's the case, then maybe they know more than

785
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: we do. But I'm I'm skeptical. I have some skepticism,

786
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: but I don't I don't feel like I know enough

787
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: to really like make a firm declaration. But it seems

788
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: like this one, this one, the ship has sailed or

789
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: this small mouth has swum. I did I And I

790
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: completely agree with that, And again, like there's there's no

791
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: way to really know, but it just takes you back

792
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: to rivers in general, like how many rivers have you

793
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: fished where somebody's like, well, all the brown trout are

794
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: in this stretch, But then other people are like no, no, no, no, no,

795
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: they're way down here, like they're they're they're here too,

796
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: and there's some here and there's some there. So just

797
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: in my in my opinion, especially when you're dealing with

798
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: moving water, still water a little less, you can be like, well,

799
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: all the small mouth are here. No, no, no, if

800
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: they're there, most of them might be there. Yeah, if

801
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: most of them might be there, but rest assured they're already.

802
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't see how this works. I

803
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: really don't. The odds of this killing every small mouth

804
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: and and wiping this problem out, I think is slim

805
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: to none. I think. I think you're sadly probably right.

806
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: And and it ties a little bit into my first story,

807
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: which also has to do with like a scaling and

808
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: growing problem that that seems to be booming exponentially and

809
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: uh and and managers really grasping it whatever they can

810
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: find to try and keep things under control and and

811
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: put the genie back in the bottle. As you're likely aware,

812
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: coral reefs are kind of a big deal. They're they're

813
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: kind of they're kind of important. They're they're the primary

814
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: protective barriers that shield coastlines from waves and storms and erosion.

815
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: They're also the most abundant marine ecosystems on the planet.

816
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: H Yeah, they only cover about two percent of the

817
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: ocean floor, but they house at least a quarter of

818
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: marine life, which is pretty freaking amazing if you think

819
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: about it. And so my point is basically, if you

820
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: like fish, and I'm guessing that you do, you should

821
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: probably care about coral reefs. That that should be a

822
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: thing that matters to you. Uh and and and one

823
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: thing I should clarify. Coral and reefs not the same thing.

824
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: They're related, but they're not. Reefs can refer to any

825
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: hard structure that forms an oceanic barrier, but most naturally

826
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: occurring reefs are the result of coral. Coral are these

827
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: tiny anemone like organisms, and they secrete calcium carbonate, which

828
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: is a hard substance that they live in, and that's

829
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: what builds natural reefs. So basically, to to to sum

830
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: this up, you need the coral animals to both grow

831
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: and maintain natural reefs, right, because without the without the

832
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: coral animals themselves, the reefs, they get broken and roded

833
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: and then they're gone pretty fast. Yeah, basically like the

834
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: dead shells leftover don't do anything for you. It's gonna

835
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: be a living breeding system for it to matter, right, right,

836
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean it matter for a little while, but not

837
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: for very long. You need you need the whole thing.

838
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: You need the animal there to keep things up right.

839
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: And as you may also be aware, I'm sure you are,

840
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: corals kind of struggling right now. It's got you know,

841
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: you have warming oceanic temperatures and higher acidity, and and

842
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: those are making coral colonies all over the world look

843
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 1: like they kind of look like the bison herds standing

844
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: near western train lines in the nineteenth century, just knocking over.

845
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: It's not good. But just in case that analogy is

846
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: not ominous enough, A new form of bacterial infection with

847
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: the extremely literal name stony coral tissue lost disease, was

848
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: discovered on the east coast of Florida in two thousand

849
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: and fourteen and has now spread across the state and

850
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: into the Caribbean. And it is real bad. Over of

851
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: Florida's coral reef has been affected. The disease spreads quickly,

852
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: and once a colony shows signs of infection, it usually

853
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: dies within weeks or months. The causes fast, It's real fast, damn.

854
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: The causes and origins of this disease remain unknown, but

855
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: we do know that it's killing off star, brain, pillar,

856
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: flour and maze corals primarily all the way from northern

857
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: Florida to Costa Rica. And and those are the types

858
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: of corals that contribute most to reef building and maintenance,

859
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: like the big structures. Those are the ones that build

860
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: the big structures that we like. Stony coral tissue lost

861
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: disease can sometimes be stopped by applying a mox of

862
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: scyllin to the affected corals, but doing that at scale

863
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: is just not like, it's just not realistic. Yeah, we yeah,

864
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: we had a story a while ago, remember about the

865
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: treating the bacteria um what was it treat They were

866
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,959
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how they could like treat coral

867
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: reef similarly with like, and we couldn't figure out how

868
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: to scale it. I don't remember the details right now.

869
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: I had something to do with Greek yogurt. I don't know,

870
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: Oh I remember. Yeah, it was like a probiotic thing.

871
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: Probiotic that's what I was looking for probiotics for for coral. Yeah,

872
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: this is this is kind of similar, except and stuff

873
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: of trying to help him GROW's trying to prevent them

874
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: from dying. Yeah, And it was the same thing, like

875
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: you can't I'd give him a shot of both one too, oh,

876
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: just like when you were twenty. But I think the like,

877
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: the point is that like the amoxylon is not going

878
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: to solve this. So the Florida Wildlife Commission, the Florida

879
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: Department Environmental Protection, and other nonprofit partners recognized the severity

880
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: of this disease and the enormity of what could be

881
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: lost if all these corals to come to it. So

882
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: in the initiative this program where they they took samples

883
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: of the highly susceptible corals from around all the state's

884
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: reefs and they transplanted them to insure coral farms and

885
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: aquariums across the country. Right, And the idea of this

886
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: is that they're they're creating, uh, they're basically trying to

887
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: ensure that these local corals would not be completely eradicated. Right.

888
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: So and the hope being that, like later on, that

889
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: these specimens could be used to repopulate like future reefs

890
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: in Florida. See what I'm saying. So last week, those

891
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: same groups announced that they had successfully planted one thousand

892
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: and fifty two coral colonies at twenty four different sites

893
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: from Jupiter to Key West from those stocks that were

894
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: grown and maintained in coral farms and aquariums. According to

895
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: f WC, the purpose of this project is to determine

896
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: the fate of corals that are susceptible to stony coral

897
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: tissue lost disease when out planted across Florida's coral reef

898
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: where the disease is still present but no longer found

899
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: in epidemic proportions. The knowledge gained during the study will

900
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: pave the way for future expansions in the restoration of

901
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: disease susceptible corals. All right, hold on this. The language

902
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: that they use there is important. No one's claiming victory

903
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: or that there's a solution here, right. This project will

904
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: help figure out what happens when affected corals get replanted

905
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: in dead zones where the disease is already like ravaged

906
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: and dwindled, a spokesperson for the Department of Environmental Production, said,

907
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: understanding where and when it is safe to start out

908
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: planting species that are susceptible to stony coral tissue lost

909
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: disease again is a major first step in restoring the

910
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: resilience of Florida's coral reef. Now, he said, first step,

911
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: all those corals they planted might just get reinfected and

912
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: die again, or some might survive. Either way, that's going

913
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: to be useful information moving forward. But while most of

914
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: the susceptible corals in the affected areas got infected with

915
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: the disease and died, certain individuals survived, suggesting that those

916
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: individuals have some kind of resistance. And earlier this month,

917
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: the Florida Aquarium announced that they had successfully crossbread rescued

918
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: brain corals with wild brain corals that resisted infection. In

919
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: a press relief, the aquarium said, quote, the hope is

920
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: that corals produced using this technique will be more resilient

921
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: to future disease outbreaks and will help restore the Florida

922
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: reef tract. Point is not all hope is lost, at

923
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: least not yet. Right. The the use of coral farms

924
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: as both genetic seed banks to preserve the global diversity

925
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: and and and like places to develop strains that are

926
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: more resilient to disease, acidity and heat. Is probably like

927
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: the most promising technology that we have, yeah, right, much

928
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: like those those re planted corals in Florida last week,

929
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: these are all possibly good steps like this might help.

930
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: And and that's important because if global coral reefs collapse,

931
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: which is like a super real possibility with all the

932
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: things going on, we're in a lot of trouble, and

933
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: and like what's going on Florida and these other groups

934
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: like coral Vita based on the Bahamas. Essentially what they're

935
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: trying to do is turbocharge coral evolution to stay ahead

936
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: of the rapid changes happening in ocean ecosystems right now,

937
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: which from like an objective standpoint is just interesting and cool,

938
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: But from a personal standpoint, it offers this glimmer of

939
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: hope and otherwise totally dismal trajectory. And so I've just

940
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: been following all of this, dude, it's fascinating, and like

941
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: you have to applaud all of that. And there there's

942
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: certainly there's a glimmer of hope in that, right, Like

943
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: that that's a very hopeful thing. But also like looking

944
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: at it from from a realist perspective, right, because that's

945
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: just what I do. So like this, this bacteria can

946
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: kill off a reef in weeks or months, not a

947
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: whole reef, a colony, a colony, okay, but like just

948
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: looking at it from a timeline. So if this works,

949
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: that's great, But like, how long would it truly like

950
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: maybe you don't know, but like how long would it

951
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: take to repopulate that? And like how looking looking like

952
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: like nothing ever happened and it'll probably it will never

953
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: be the same, right, things have changed. But the idea

954
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: is to maintain as much of that genetic diversity of

955
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: different roles as possible and try and maintain what what

956
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: keep it at a healthy ecosystem and stay ahead of

957
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: all these different changes coming in between acidity and warming

958
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: and bacteria. There are all these different things happening to

959
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: coral populations all over the world. And the hope is

960
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: that this this farming technique is going to do a

961
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: couple of things. One keep that diversity alive when parts

962
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: of the ocean just go dead, and also give them

963
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: a chance to figure out what sorts of strains might

964
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: survive those unique changing conditions, hopefully and replant them. The

965
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: timeline on that, no one knows. It's just yeah, no,

966
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: and I know there's no answer. I'm just like supposing

967
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: out loud. It's like, it's great, we can do that,

968
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: but like I just wonder, like, how would that translate

969
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: to a mile of reef like fully restored? You know,

970
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: how long? Would I Will we see that? Will our

971
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: kids see that? You know? So a mile? Yes? The

972
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: whole thing? Now? Maybe maybe our kids maybe well maybe

973
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but I'll say if

974
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: things like we need we need as many people to

975
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: care about things like this um as they care about

976
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: the TikTok video that I'm that would be great. Wouldn't

977
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: that be great? Wouldn't that be amazing? That a win?

978
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: So I actually hate to admit it, but this story,

979
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: UM might force me to rethink previous statements about refusing

980
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: to get on TikTok And this is you just you

981
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: just gave us a very good, weighty story about real

982
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: life things I've done. No such thing here. There is

983
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: not nearly as much value in the story. But it

984
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: is a fun one, um and it while it is fun,

985
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: it also makes me question our society, which I always

986
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: enjoy doing. So anyway, this comes from the website of

987
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: North Country Public Radio headline fishing for Customers catching a phenomenon. Okay,

988
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard anything about this, so

989
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: I guess set this up right. So I'm like paraphrase

990
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: in the story, So, an owner of a local toy

991
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: store in Saranac Lake, New York, he's he's crossing an

992
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: intersection in town and he spots a dollar on the sidewalk.

993
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: He reaches down to pick it up, and of course

994
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: the dollar is magically whisked away. So he follows the

995
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: dollar into Blue Line Sports, which is a fly shop,

996
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: and he realized he'd just been franked when Ryan Baker,

997
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: a fishing guide with Adirondack trout Fitters who works at

998
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: Blue Line Sports, said, well, come Instar, how can I

999
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: help you? While holding a rod with the dollar dangling

1000
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: from the end. Now, look, that's the oldest trick in

1001
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: the book, right, a dollar on a string like this

1002
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 1: is this is not new? Okay? Well, that day Baker

1003
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: and his roommate Read Mason, who's also a fishing guide

1004
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,479
Speaker 1: punked more than a dozen people with the old dollar

1005
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: bill trick, and I have to say, like, this is

1006
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: such a fly shop kid thing to do. I could

1007
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: I could see the conversation like, yeah, so like most

1008
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: of the time you walk into a fly shop and

1009
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: kids just like you know, playing Mario Kart or like

1010
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: tying more squirmy worms or whatever. There's a lot of downtime,

1011
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of downtime like sweep something clean.

1012
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly exactly, So I'm down with this

1013
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: as as a way to occupy time and drum up

1014
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: a little extra business, which they did that they did

1015
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: with this little trick. A matter of fact, Baker himself said,

1016
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: we just figured let's keep fishing. We're always fishing. So

1017
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: I put dollar bill online and put it out on

1018
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: the sidewalk, right, So that's all. That's all cute and

1019
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: ha ha funny. But Mason had been filming all the

1020
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: reactions to the prank, and he compiled a bunch into

1021
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: a single clip, said it to the SpongeBob SquarePants theme song,

1022
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: and posted it on TikTok. And this is from the

1023
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: story Mason's TikTok account had something like fifty followers before

1024
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: this video went viral. According to Baker, overnight he gained

1025
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: more than nine hundred followers. His cell phone was flooded

1026
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 1: with notifications. Eventually he had to shut off notifications, according

1027
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: to Baker. Quote from Baker, it was constant, he showed me.

1028
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: He was like, dude, every time I refreshed my feet,

1029
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: it's another hundred, another hundred, another hundred. Every second he

1030
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: would refresh his feed. So then twenty four hours the

1031
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: video racked up more than one point six million views. Wow, Okay, now, first,

1032
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: good for you guys, Like that's that's awesome, right, um,

1033
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: And they said it absolutely translated over the next couple

1034
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: of days and into more bodies in the show up,

1035
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: which is also awesome. I'm happy for those guys, right.

1036
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: But the part that gets me, um, is that like,

1037
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: that's the thing that would get one point six million views,

1038
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: because again, hell, the dollar bill on a string thing

1039
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: has been around since paper money was invented. I think

1040
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: like I felt for this on the boardwalking Jersey when

1041
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: I was ten and got laughed at by a bunch

1042
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: of kids smoking cigarettes and napalm death t shirts. So

1043
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: I just I just I just can't believe that the

1044
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: dollar bill on a string thing still has that kind

1045
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: of juice in like people don't even carry dollars anymore.

1046
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: Like if it's more than ten bucks I charged, I

1047
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: charge that ship. Um. So of course the post was

1048
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: also lit up with comments here's just a couple. Uh,

1049
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: bro deserves a raise, And to that, I say, similar

1050
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: to what you just said, maybe Broke could have also

1051
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: been restocking the thing. Um a bobbers, you know what

1052
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it could have been, but I think

1053
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: in this case it was a better use of his

1054
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: time for sure. That Another one was like, honestly, i'd

1055
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: buy something, and like that's great for the shop if

1056
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 1: it's true. But like would you like if you tricked

1057
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: me into a health food store, I wouldn't be like, ha,

1058
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: you got me and while I'm here to give me

1059
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 1: a bag of them kale chips. So you know, anyway,

1060
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: like well played boys. And I think it's fair to

1061
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: say that the TikTok algorithm is kind of wide open

1062
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: right now, Like people have said that to me since

1063
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: the TikTok commentary. They're like, dude, the algorithms wide open,

1064
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: don't so I don't know, maybe it's time to jump

1065
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: on that, but I thought this was a fun little story.

1066
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: Good good for that fly shop. I give props to

1067
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: both of those those guides who were clearly bored, and

1068
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: I hope their manager recognized that what he might have

1069
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: thought was a waste of time and they should have

1070
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: been restocking or cleaning actually turned into something more valuable.

1071
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: So hopefully people thinking about that, like, oh, maybe we

1072
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: should give these kids some some marketing responsibilities and I'll

1073
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: tell you they're smart. I also feel like that the

1074
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: dollar bill trick, like, um, I knew somebody who did

1075
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: it with a ten dollar bill once in college and

1076
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: end up like almost getting beat down, Like some people

1077
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: don't appreciate that trick. No gotta watch that one easily

1078
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: just turned into you know, a knuckle sandwich. So the

1079
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: other they all say is that it's it's possible that

1080
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: the reason that people came chasing after that was because

1081
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: they were trying to figure out what it was. What

1082
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: is that that fluttery green thing I see on the

1083
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: ground and where did it come from? It's like a

1084
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: bitcoin I can touch. Where Whereas that story covers a

1085
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: part of human culture where everything is maybe vapid and

1086
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: has no consequences. The one I'm going to talk about

1087
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: is is purely consequence And I gotta say, uh, this

1088
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: one really pisces me off. This one, this one really

1089
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: grinds my gears. A couple of weeks ago, Oregon Department

1090
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: of Fish and Wildlife sent out a news release in

1091
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: regard to a series of steelhead poaching incidents that occurred

1092
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: last winter. So Oregon DFW they use fish traps to

1093
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: capture migrating steelhead so that they can harvest the milt

1094
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: and the eggs from these fish and then raise small

1095
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: in state hatcheries right and then released the small back

1096
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: in the rivers and keep steel head around. One of

1097
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: the places they do this is an area of Woodward Creek,

1098
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: which is a tributary of the South Coquille River, and

1099
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: that that area is closed to the public and not

1100
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: easily accessible. That's why they do the trapping there. Bi'll

1101
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: just set the traps and then they rely on local

1102
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: volunteers to check them and and say like, hey, there's

1103
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: got some fish in there, and go check them. The

1104
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: biologist then removed the fish and they spawned them. The

1105
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: last winter they ran into a problem According to district

1106
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: biologist Mike Gray, we would get a call from a

1107
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 1: volunteer saying there were six or seven fish in a trap.

1108
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: Then when we got there the trap was empty or

1109
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: there was only one fish in it. We found evidence

1110
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 1: that the trap had been damaged, so we knew someone

1111
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: was getting in there. And this went on for weeks.

1112
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: Right they'd get calls saying, oape fisher in the traps

1113
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: and they'd come up empty handed. Of Ventually, troopers set

1114
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: up surveillance cameras and caught three individuals on video the

1115
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: first night they did it. Those individuals and possibly others,

1116
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: continued to return to raid the traps. One of them

1117
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: noticed the cameras, stole one, shot another out with his rifle,

1118
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: but he didn't get all the cameras, and so far

1119
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: that individual, Kane M. Horner, is the only one of

1120
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: of the poachers to have been identified, and fish traps

1121
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: weren't the only places where wild steel had theft occurred

1122
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: in the area last year. Brew have you ever heard

1123
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: of broodstock boxes? Uh? No, I mean I know a

1124
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: broodstock case. I've never heard of broodstock box. Now I

1125
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: had neither, so this this was new to me. Apparently

1126
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: this is something ODFW does. They they set these boxes

1127
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: in rivers near popular fishing areas, and the anglers can like,

1128
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: if you catch a steel head, you can release it

1129
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: into that box and then let ODF you know, like, hey,

1130
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: I got a fish in the box for you. Interesting it,

1131
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah cool. And so anglers were doing this and they

1132
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,919
Speaker 1: were calling in and the biologist show up, no fish

1133
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: in the box. Alright, So these were also getting rated

1134
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: A biologists ultimately had to resort to netting a bunch

1135
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: of the creeks and the rivers in that area to

1136
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: get enough steelhead to maintain their numbers, and and that

1137
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: practice is both expensive and it's detrimental to the ecosystem,

1138
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: and steel is just a bad deal. Is not what

1139
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: they want to do. That's why they started doing the

1140
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: boxes in the first place. Now, yes, say, I am

1141
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: not I'm not in favor of raising steelhead and hatcheries

1142
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: and releasing in the wild because hatchery fish have a

1143
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: sub hatchery fish have a some negative impact on wildfish

1144
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: recruitment survival. And it's a complicated topic with a lot

1145
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: of tension, and there are valid concerns on all sides,

1146
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to get into all of that here,

1147
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: because that's not the point. The point is when I

1148
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: first read this story, I thought maybe this was like

1149
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:05,479
Speaker 1: an ed Abbey monkey wrench gang style insurgency by wild

1150
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: steelhead activists, right, And if that were the case, If

1151
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: that were the case, I would not condone these actions,

1152
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 1: but at least like I could understand them, like, Okay,

1153
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: you have you have a cause of some kind of

1154
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: like you have a relief. And that's where what I

1155
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: first thought. And so I'm like, yeah, these are these

1156
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: are like wildfish vigilantes and they're breaking in fish traps

1157
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: and brud stock box and they're setting the fish like

1158
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: they're setting the fish free as a way of increasing

1159
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: wild production and sabotaging the hatchery programs so they can't

1160
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: get their numbers. Like I I see that as idealistic,

1161
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: if misguided. But the end of this story is that

1162
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: O d f W caught the one suspect identified on

1163
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: camera while he was illegally fishing in a section of

1164
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: the river that's closed to allow steelhead to spawn unmolested. Yeah,

1165
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: so that wasn't the answer. No, they're just dart bags. Yes,

1166
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: they're not vigilantes. They're just despicable humans with no regard

1167
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: for fish, and they were just breaking into those traps

1168
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: and boxes to steel steel head for themselves. The first

1169
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: arrest went down in February, and o DFW just sent

1170
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: out this press release just like just recently, which to

1171
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,439
Speaker 1: me that suggests the investigation is stalled. And they're they're

1172
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: they're talking about it now because they're like, hey, anybody

1173
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: come forward with information because we want to catch these

1174
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: other people. And I just I can't wrap my head

1175
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: around the sense of entitlement that a person would have

1176
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: to have to do something like this. But I don't

1177
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like they didn't just steal from the hatchery.

1178
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: They stole from They stole from all of every everybody, everybody. Yeah,

1179
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: they they stole wild steel head, which are like such

1180
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: a rare, diminishing resource. I find everything about this violent, despicable,

1181
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: and I do hope the punishment ends up feeding the crime.

1182
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: I actually can't even think of the best punishment for this.

1183
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what it is. Should he

1184
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: be like should he be sentenced to spend the next

1185
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: twenty years working on habitat restoration, Like is that valuable

1186
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: that that work should he get should he be required

1187
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 1: to get poacher tattooed across his forehead in in big

1188
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: black letters? Who has to wear it like a scarlet letter?

1189
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't I'd love to hear anybody's

1190
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: thoughts on what you think the punishment for this crime

1191
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: should be. I'm not holding my breath that that we're

1192
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: gonna get justice out of it, but I think it

1193
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: might be fun to hear what you all think should

1194
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: happen to this guy. Oh, I'd love to hear the

1195
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: poacher things. Great, that's not gonna happen. The habitat restoration

1196
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: thing though, Dude, that's a that's a pretty that's pretty.

1197
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that a lot. But you know,

1198
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: you you you talked about like motivation for this stuff,

1199
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: and you know, the guy's stealing from everybody and just

1200
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: reading so many of these stories with so many different

1201
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: kinds of fishery, and this one's definitely on another level

1202
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: because of how precious those fish are to begin with,

1203
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, how rare. But I also feel like, you know,

1204
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: it's like murder, Like everybody wants to know why, and

1205
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: sometimes the answer is because I'm just a ship bag

1206
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't care, Like that's that's sort of like the

1207
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: end of the story, Like we see it out here

1208
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: with stripers all the time. These guys putch all these stripers,

1209
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: none of them probably follow or or they just don't

1210
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: care about anybody else's conservation effort going on behind that.

1211
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: It's just it's irrelevant. It's pure selfishness and they just

1212
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: don't care. So I hate to say it, but I

1213
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: would guess these guys are not super in tune with

1214
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: the plight of the steel head, Like it's just like

1215
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: there they are, and I need those. It's awful. But

1216
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: I want to believe that there's more of a reasoning

1217
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: behind it. I want to believe there's some like coherent philosophy,

1218
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: even if it's at odds with my own. But maybe right,

1219
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: maybe it's just blind stupid I want. I don't know.

1220
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm just curious. They probably they probably didn't didn't get

1221
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: into this, But BECA, is there any correlation between the

1222
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: phone calls and the group In other words, like were

1223
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: they checking all the time or would they just seemingly

1224
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: get hit after somebody called and said they're steel heading

1225
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: the trap? I don't know. I don't know the answer

1226
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: to that. I don't know. I mean, how would they know? Like,

1227
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: is there a ring? It's just like a ring? I

1228
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: I I'm I'm joking, but I doubt it. I just

1229
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: think these are just dirt bags. They're everywhere, dude in everything,

1230
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: like they're everywhere, but this one is particularly and I

1231
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: want to I want to think better of humanity than that.

1232
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: I don't think you're wrong, I just want to. I

1233
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: want to assume that people have some sort of coherent

1234
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: reasoning for the shitty things they do. And I know

1235
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: that's not always true, but it helps me make sense

1236
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, well we'll see what Phil thinks about

1237
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: all of this, about the poaching, about the TikTok, about

1238
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: coral reefs, about killing off smallmouth, and then um, after that,

1239
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: we'll do a little weekly word and give you a

1240
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: new word to call somebody who you don't like or

1241
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: maybe who poaches your your steelhead. All right, it's my

1242
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: favorite part of the week where I get to choose

1243
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: which parent I would like to live with after the divorce,

1244
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: and this week that parent is Joe Sermelli. What kind

1245
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: of an idiot falls for the old dollar on a

1246
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: fishing line? Trick? I mean, come on, alright, guys, Sorry

1247
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: to cut it short this week, but I have to

1248
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: run off to the Western Union. UM. Don't mean to

1249
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: name drop or anything, but there's a Nigerian prince who

1250
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: could really use my help. And then after he pays

1251
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: me back with interest, I'm quitting this job, retiring early.

1252
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: I never have to listen to this shitty podcast again.

1253
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: Que Webster's Dictionary defines fish. As we started this week's

1254
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: show in Staten Island, New York. But for the Weekly Word,

1255
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna hop on the Jersey Turnpike and make the

1256
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: two hour drive south to Philadelphia. And this journey is

1257
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: actually by request of several listeners who have asked me

1258
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: to give an oral history of the term shooby. And

1259
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: that's s h o O b i E. Like most

1260
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: slang terms we've covered in this Weekly Word, John shooby

1261
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: isn't tied directly to fishing, but it's used pretty often

1262
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,439
Speaker 1: by anglers along the Jersey Coast from roughly mid state

1263
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: to the southern tip of Cape May. However, research shows

1264
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: that shooby can also be heard uttered in Delaware and

1265
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: even certain parts of southern California. And that's all well,

1266
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: and good. But I'm gonna go ahead and say that

1267
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: even if there are shoe bees and Cali in the

1268
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: first state, the term was still borrowed from the O. G. Shoobies,

1269
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: which come from Philly. Shoobies or shoes for sure, have

1270
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: been around since the late eighteen hundreds, and back in

1271
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: those days, the Jersey Shore was not the sprawling, crowded

1272
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: tourists scene it is today. In fact, only a select

1273
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: few areas of development even existed along the coast in

1274
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: the southern half of the state. Now these days, thanks

1275
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: to the Atlantic City Expressway, you can get from Philly

1276
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: to the beach in about an hour. Of course, back

1277
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: in the early nineteen hundreds, your fastest option was by train,

1278
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: and furthermore, the train was a relatively affordable option for

1279
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: poorer families in Philadelphia who would pack the cars on

1280
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: a Saturday morning for fun in the sun. Now I've

1281
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: read accounts that the price of the train ticket also

1282
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: included a boxed lunch that came in a shoe box.

1283
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: I've also heard that after ponying up for that ticket,

1284
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: many families just didn't have enough money left over to

1285
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 1: buy food at the beach, so they carry their lunches

1286
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: to the beach in shoe boxes. Either way, the day

1287
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: trippers were easily identified by their shoe box lunch pails,

1288
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 1: and the term shooby was born. While shooby is alive

1289
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: and well, how one gets to find as a shoeb

1290
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: has morphed over time. Shoobies making a day trip these

1291
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: days aren't hanging around Wildwood and Avalon eating stale bread

1292
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,759
Speaker 1: out of a Buster brown box. But according to Urban Dictionary,

1293
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: a shoeby can be any person who looks out of

1294
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: place while at the beach, usually identified by the wearing

1295
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: of black party socks with shorts and flip flops, and

1296
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: or a severe sunburn. Other sources note that common shooby

1297
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: traits include pale skin, a lack of familiarity with local customs,

1298
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: and wearing shoes on the beach. However, Philly Magazine went

1299
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 1: all in with an article that featured a series of

1300
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 1: questions aimed at helping you figure out if you are,

1301
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 1: in fact a shoebie. Here are a few examples. Have

1302
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: you ever used wet towels as car drapes so pedestrians

1303
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: or other drivers can't see you shimmy out of your

1304
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: wet bathing suit. Have you ever spent more than five

1305
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 1: minutes getting your towel in the perfect tanning position to

1306
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: the sun. Do you carry enough blankets, towels, coolers, umbrellas,

1307
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: and other beach paraphernalia that your family looks more like

1308
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: a Safari expedition When you finally get to the beach,

1309
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: do you go in the water, dip down to your

1310
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 1: waist to wave your hands in the water, and then

1311
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,480
Speaker 1: get out? Do you insist on listening to a Philadelphia

1312
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: radio station on the beach, even when it sounds like

1313
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: noise from World War two field radio? Do you engage

1314
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 1: in any kind of relationship with seagulls, feeding them, chasing them,

1315
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: et cetera. Now, if you answered yes to any of

1316
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: those questions, you might be a shoebe Now if you

1317
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 1: want to know if you're a fishing shooby, I devised

1318
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: a few questions of my own. Do you roll a

1319
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 1: surf cart full of tackle in three hand of foot

1320
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: rods onto a crowded beach and soaked blood wears for

1321
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: croakers right where everyone is swimming? Do you attempt to

1322
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: walk out onto a wets not cover jettie carrying six

1323
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: ft spinning rod and wearing spiry topsiders that have no

1324
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: tread whatsoever. Do you repeatedly bomb a tuna size plug

1325
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: under the bridge directly into the wakes of three jet

1326
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 1: skis and ski boats at noon during a deadlow tide

1327
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: and expect something to eat that if you answered yes

1328
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: to any of those questions, I've got an old shoebox

1329
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: full of banjo minnows with your name on it. Look, man,

1330
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 1: if it'll get me a shoe box full of vintage banjo's,

1331
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 1: I will strap on some topsiders and go jetty skiing tomorrow.

1332
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: Hook it up, send them. You won't. You won't get

1333
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: very far. Just a couple of rocks out and you'll

1334
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: bite it. That's usually what happens. But you like, if

1335
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: you like vintage banjo's, I have some. You know, I

1336
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,959
Speaker 1: could actually arrange that. But speaking of vintage and flexing,

1337
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,560
Speaker 1: uh Miles is gonna see us out this week with

1338
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: our end of the line segment where he's going to

1339
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: discuss an old bait that you might legitimately find in

1340
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: an old shoe box in your grandpa cedar chest. But

1341
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: that also paved the way for decades of chest beating

1342
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: over one's skills to rope hog bass. Well, that's not

1343
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: loud enough, Burt. When I was six years old, my

1344
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: holy grail was a five pound large mouth bass. My

1345
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: uncle Bob had one on his wall the gate mouth

1346
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: green and black, emblem of his fishing greatness. Now, as

1347
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: a grown man, I realized that a five pound large

1348
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: mouth is a respectable northern specimen, but nothing onspiring, and

1349
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: that this particular skin mount, an amateur garage job done

1350
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: by a buddy of his bargain cost, is actually far

1351
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: from exceptional. But thirty five years ago I didn't know

1352
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: any of that. I idolized my uncle and would sit

1353
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: on the musty cabin couch staring at his fish and

1354
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,799
Speaker 1: ask him to tell me the tale of its capture. Again.

1355
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: It happened in the spring in the shallow back bay

1356
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: of the small Wisconsin Lake where I first learned to fish.

1357
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: We never caught anything in that bay because when I

1358
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: was there in the summer, the bass were in deeper water.

1359
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: But I would still make my uncle take me back

1360
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: there at least once a year and have him show

1361
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 1: me the down log, where on a fateful day in

1362
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: the late seventies he caught two trophy bass and a

1363
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: handful of casts, one weighing four and a half pounds

1364
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: and the other the wall hanger, coming in over five.

1365
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 1: He caught both fish on the same purple rubber worm.

1366
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: Older listeners will remember the worms I'm talking about. They

1367
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: came pre rigged with a leader threaded from the nose

1368
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: of the worm through the body, attached to two or

1369
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 1: three hooks that's stuck out of the belly. Sometimes the

1370
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: hooks had thin wire weed guards on them. Sometimes the

1371
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: leader came dressed with other fish attractors, like beads, a

1372
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: spinner blade, or a propeller. Back then, we called them

1373
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 1: ubber worms, even though they weren't actually made of rubber.

1374
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: Over time, I've noticed that the terminology has changed to

1375
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: more accurately describe what we fish. Most people call them

1376
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 1: plastic worms or just plastics. Now only the real old

1377
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: heads still talk about rubber. Synthetic worms go back a

1378
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: very long time. The first American patent on an artificial

1379
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,719
Speaker 1: worm was submitted in eight seventy seven, and it actually

1380
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: was made of rubber, but real rubber worms never took off.

1381
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: Rubber is relatively stiff and does a poor job imitating

1382
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: the supple juiciness of an annelid undulating in the water.

1383
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 1: For nearly a century, anglers and lure inventors struggled to

1384
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: find a fake alternative that worked as well as a

1385
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: live dirt snake. Once that finally happened, however, it changed

1386
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: sport fishing more substantially than just about any other new

1387
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: technology and history. Except the fish hook itself. Nothing flexes

1388
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: in modern fishing like soft plastics. The man credited with

1389
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: inventing the first plastic worm is Nick Cream, who came

1390
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: up with this prototype in ninety Some evidence suggests, however,

1391
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: that a man named David DeLong may have actually figured

1392
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,560
Speaker 1: it out three years before Cream, but DeLong was not

1393
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: as successful at marketing his creations. Laura also claims DeLong

1394
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: as the first person to scent his worms with annis oil,

1395
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 1: a tidbit I have to mention as a nod to

1396
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: our resident stryper expert, Bob the garbage Man Britana Nanananwski.

1397
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 1: While soft plastics really gained popularity and came into their

1398
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: own in the American South, they are Midwestern in origin.

1399
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: DeLong was from Indiana and Cream held from Ohio, where

1400
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: he worked as a machinist. The mid twentieth century saw

1401
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: the peak of American industry. Guys like Cream and DeLong

1402
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: understood industrial design and production. They also had enough disposable

1403
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: income to go fishing on the weekends and enough Moxian

1404
01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: confidence to dream of quitting their day jobs and king

1405
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 1: of living at what they truly loved. Cream saw his

1406
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: opportunity in an emerging new chemistry, plastics. Exactly how do

1407
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: you mean it's a great future in plastics. The story

1408
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: goes that Cream paid a visit to DuPont Chemicals in Cleveland,

1409
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 1: and a lab tech gave him some chemicals to take home.

1410
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,600
Speaker 1: How exactly he talked his way into walking out with

1411
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: a few buckets of proprietary chemicals to play with remains unclear.

1412
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: Maybe he paid the guy off, Maybe they shared a

1413
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: couple of nips from a pocket flask. Maybe Cream was

1414
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: just that smooth. Maybe the story is total bs, but

1415
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: it makes a good story, so I'm sticking with it.

1416
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: Nick Cream and his wife Cosma spent the next year

1417
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: playing with polymers, pigments, and oils in their kitchen. Each

1418
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: time they thought they had a viable mixture, Cream would

1419
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: carry a vatio it down to the basement and pour

1420
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 1: it into a mold he made from a steel model

1421
01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: of a real nightcrawler in the couple took the first

1422
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: plastic worm to market. Like I said, cream Lure wasn't

1423
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: the only company making similar products with pre harnessed plastic worms,

1424
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 1: but they also sold unrigged replacement worms, and a few

1425
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:19,719
Speaker 1: years later, an unknown bass angler fishing on Lake Tyler,

1426
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: one of the many newly created reservoirs in East Texas,

1427
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 1: came up with a rigging technique that would make Nick

1428
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:30,919
Speaker 1: and Cosma Cream's worms world famous. That anonymous angler removed

1429
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: the brass islet from a bell sinker, threaded his line

1430
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: through the weight tied on a bare hook, poked that

1431
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: hook through the nose of one of Cream's replacement worms,

1432
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: pushed it through, turned it around, and inserted the hook

1433
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: point and barbed into the worm's soft bellies so that

1434
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 1: both were hidden within the supple plastic. The Texas rig

1435
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: was born. By nine cream worms were the hottest commodity

1436
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: in the Lone Star state, selling for a buck of peace,

1437
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: which translates to about nine dollars today. Cream Lure was

1438
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 1: making good money, and a year later they moved their

1439
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: headquarters from Akron, Ohio to Tyler, Texas. Cream Lures achieved

1440
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: early success by being the first large scale plastic bait manufacturer,

1441
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: but competition caught up quickly. Cream had to find new

1442
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: ways to stay ahead of the spreading sea of soft

1443
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: plastic lure options hitting in the shelves. He recognized the

1444
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 1: marketing power of influencers, a half century before anyone ever

1445
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: used that term. Cream tracked down the best local anglers

1446
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: and started paying them to travel all over the South

1447
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: showing off the effectiveness of soft plastic bits and teaching

1448
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: others how to use them. He also targeted the pros

1449
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: and allegedly struck the first angler endorsement deal with John Powell,

1450
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 1: who he paid eighteen thousand dollars to fish Cream worms

1451
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 1: on the B A S. S Series in n Additionally,

1452
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: Cream conscripted Bill Dance, who endorsed the worms of tournaments,

1453
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: events and on his long running television show Nick Cream

1454
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 1: died in He's been inducted into the Freshwater Fishing Hall

1455
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: of Fame, the Texas Freshwater Fishing Hall of Fame, and

1456
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 1: the Texas Freshwater Fisheries Center. More importantly, though, every time

1457
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: an angler rigs up a soft plastic bait, which is

1458
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: to say, thousands of times a day all over the world.

1459
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 1: They're unknowingly paying homage to a machinist from Ohio who

1460
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 1: wanted to build a better worm. So that's it for

1461
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: this week. If you're staring into the mirror trying to

1462
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: get that beach bod to pop in just the right ways,

1463
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 1: remember never suggest your guides fish finders on demo mode.

1464
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: Bring your own lunch when creeping on pay leaks with strangers.

1465
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,560
Speaker 1: If you decide instead to take that lunch to the

1466
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: Jersey shore, don't pack it in a shoe box. And

1467
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: Nick Cream and his inventions flexed harder than macho man

1468
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: Randy Savage Clean to the boy. Yea, how perfect was

1469
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: that clip? Anyway, right after you slather your bleached white

1470
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: skin with a quart of SPF two thousand, feel free

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