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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I've never told your protection of I Heart Radio. So

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Speaker 1: we have been talking a lot about abortion lately, and

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Speaker 1: we are going to continue to do so in light

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Speaker 1: of what is going on with Throw the Weight, but

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Speaker 1: we were always talking about it even before that. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And one thing that is very important to us, and

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Speaker 1: I think we think I hope you agree, Samantha's very

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Speaker 1: important to the movement is recognizing the work people have

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Speaker 1: been doing. Absolutely absolutely so, even in protests we've seen

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Speaker 1: here in the US, we have seen pieces of these

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Speaker 1: movements from around the world influencing that and that's just

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Speaker 1: so important to recognize it. So we're going to be

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Speaker 1: bringing back some Monday many as we've done about abortion

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Speaker 1: protests around the world, are abortion movements around the world.

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Speaker 1: We're going to start with this one about the legalization

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Speaker 1: of abortion in argent Tina, So please enjoy. Hey, this

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Speaker 1: is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff I'm never

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Speaker 1: told you your production of I Heart Radio. Okay, Annie, Yes,

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Speaker 1: we're going to start off with a question. And it's

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Speaker 1: not our little lighthearted ones. It's not necessarily really really deep,

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Speaker 1: but I did wonder growing up, what was your perception

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Speaker 1: about abortion and reproductive justice. Oh that's a good one. Um. Well,

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Speaker 1: as I've mentioned several times before on this show and recently,

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Speaker 1: I did grow up in a pretty liberal family in

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Speaker 1: I still that terminology still is weird to me out

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Speaker 1: was something that women should have access to. I was,

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Speaker 1: now against it that these like middle schoolers leveled against me,

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Speaker 1: But I was. I it made me nervous because there

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Speaker 1: I did have like but I like these I I

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Speaker 1: don't know that I had realistic Um, now that I

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Speaker 1: know more about abortion, I'm not sure that my timeline

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Speaker 1: was very realistic because I was like definitely before this time,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not sure that that was accurate

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Speaker 1: a thing. Like I became known for it, and people

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Speaker 1: really aggressive in their questioning about like why I thought it,

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Speaker 1: And like even my friend group now that I still have,

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Speaker 1: because we were in a very conservative town and that's

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Speaker 1: what they were hearing. They've changed like at that time, right, Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: course it is something that we want to talk about

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Speaker 1: and continue to talk about because it's not just the

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Speaker 1: whole level of you know, the conversation of abortion, but

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Speaker 1: I'm adopted, but be because of my very very conservative

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Speaker 1: of course we want to protect life, but true life

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Speaker 1: that is the bigger point of science. Oh, there's so

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Speaker 1: many things that we can talk about. But and and

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Speaker 1: them as the giant victory of our family and Argentina

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Speaker 1: and all the people of Argentina can celebrate the legalization

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Speaker 1: it's been a long and hard and drawn out battle

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Speaker 1: and we've seen continue activists even talking about and celebrating,

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Speaker 1: happened and to celebrate with them, right. So, on December eleven,

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Speaker 1: that the previous law unfairly punished His quote vulnerable and

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