Speaker 1: Welcome to Desperately Devoted. Join us as we explore the
Speaker 1: human experience through the lens of the iconic show Desperate Housewise.
Speaker 2: I'm Terry Patcher, I'm Andrea Bowen, and I'm a Mercantana.
Speaker 1: Gosh. Well, we have just been loving this episode and
Speaker 1: all there is to talk about. So this week we
Speaker 1: are shining our spotlight on episode nine, suspicious Mind. Well,
Speaker 1: this episode I remembered, right, so a lot of them.
Speaker 1: I don't why, yeah, right, why, young Andrea, did this
Speaker 1: episode stick out to you? So we kind of I'll
Speaker 1: go through the little storyline quickly, but we learned that
Speaker 1: Julia and Zach are pen paling each other, and then
Speaker 1: we also learned that Julie is hiding Zach up in
Speaker 1: her bedroom. He has escaped from where he was the
Speaker 1: juvenile mental health facility, and Julie's keeping him up in
Speaker 1: her bedroom as a secret from everybody.
Speaker 2: I guess I did have a question about that.
Speaker 3: I thought, wait, is Susan aware and keeping Julie's secret,
Speaker 3: because if.
Speaker 2: She is, she's a really good poker face. And I
Speaker 2: feel like.
Speaker 1: I don't think she's aware. She's not aware, She's dealing
Speaker 1: with a lot this episode, Susan, she's off at the
Speaker 1: Passion show and she's fielding all physical attacks so so,
Speaker 1: and also this might only be one night. I don't
Speaker 1: really know how long this is. This her hiding him
Speaker 1: up there has gone on, but in any case, she
Speaker 1: has him up there and she's trying to get information
Speaker 1: from him about what's going on gently but and he
Speaker 1: does reveal some thing so traumatic. He reveals that he
Speaker 1: had buried no pun intended, a memory from when he
Speaker 1: was four years old that he kind of he's recently
Speaker 1: unearthed after his mom's passing, about this argument that he
Speaker 1: overheard his parents having, and it led him to the
Speaker 1: conclusion that he was that he had a baby sister
Speaker 1: named Dana, and that he somehow is responsible for her death.
Speaker 1: And it's just like this crazy admission, and you feel
Speaker 1: so much for this young boy who has no outlet,
Speaker 1: and his father is denying him any sort of therapy
Speaker 1: in which to discuss any of this, and so he's
Speaker 1: just left with all these feelings and Julie is trying
Speaker 1: to provide him a safe place to talk about these
Speaker 1: things and be a friend, be a good friend to him.
Speaker 1: And then this scene ends with him kissing Julie. And
Speaker 1: that's you know, one of the reasons why this episode
Speaker 1: stands out in my memory so much, because I had
Speaker 1: probably had I had had a friend, I had been kissed. No, no, but.
Speaker 2: I had had Who was your first kiss?
Speaker 1: It was at school? It was nothing interesting.
Speaker 2: It was not a great school during school day.
Speaker 1: Well, I went to a performing arts school in Manhattan,
Speaker 1: and half of our day was not kissing, was practicing
Speaker 1: kissing from when we were going to have to do
Speaker 1: it on screen, right right, No, but this was I mean,
Speaker 1: this was probably my second I mean I was not.
Speaker 1: I had not had a lot of experience. I was fourteen,
Speaker 1: as we know, and so it was nerve wracking. It
Speaker 1: was very I was very nervous and trying to act
Speaker 1: like I wasn't. And it's weird, right because you just
Speaker 1: this is one of those things about being a child
Speaker 1: actor and a child performer is that you often have
Speaker 1: to act out things before you've had a lot of
Speaker 1: experience doing them in your personal life. And you're not
Speaker 1: just acting them out for eventually millions of people who
Speaker 1: will watch it, but you're doing it in front of
Speaker 1: your coworkers, and you're doing it, you know, my mom
Speaker 1: was there, probably standing by the monitor, although she always
Speaker 1: handled it so well and so so respectfully to me,
Speaker 1: and you know, all of those things. But yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: Totally Also, this pre dates by decades, this idea of
Speaker 4: an intimacy coordinator. I mean, I can't even begin to
Speaker 4: tell you, like all of the yeah, I mean the
Speaker 4: stories from way back in the nineties or whatever of
Speaker 4: just how uncomfortable a certain person might or situation. I mean,
Speaker 4: so it seems to me that there should have been
Speaker 4: somebody there. I know your mom was there, but like,
Speaker 4: do you recall did the director did anybody like talk
Speaker 4: you through so Andrea, is this okay when he's going
Speaker 4: to lean forward and just kiss you on the lips,
Speaker 4: or like, do you remember any of that.
Speaker 1: I don't recall anyone really acting in that capacity. No,
Speaker 1: obviously it was a pretty tame scene and a pretty
Speaker 1: innocent moment, but no, And I do think that nowadays,
Speaker 1: hopefully we are providing that to providing that level of
Speaker 1: support to all performers of all ages, but particularly children,
Speaker 1: because it is it is uncomfortable. But I think Cody
Speaker 1: and I Cody, who played Zach, navigated the best way
Speaker 1: as possible Something that stood out to me also is
Speaker 1: that I'm realizing there was another level too in that
Speaker 1: I was the age I was, but I think Cody
Speaker 1: was maybe seventeen, so not a huge difference, but it's
Speaker 1: different enough than that he probably wasn't kissing fourteen year
Speaker 1: old girls in his personal life. You know, that is
Speaker 1: kind hosts on right, Decidedly there's an age gap there
Speaker 1: that that, right is kind of weird. But but I
Speaker 1: don't have any negative memories of that moment, I will
Speaker 1: say that, but definitely a weird, a weird thing to
Speaker 1: have to act out.
Speaker 4: Yeah there, Yeah, I think I imagine there's some sort of
Speaker 4: presumption that like you'll just be okay, you'll just do it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, I do think that feels familiar for for me,
Speaker 4: even as an adult actor, Like you know that I
Speaker 4: don't know whatever it is, like even the silly things
Speaker 4: like you jump through the floor and your legs so like, ope,
Speaker 4: you'll just do it because you know it. And if
Speaker 4: there's ever any pushback, there's then like the label start
Speaker 4: right right thrown at you.
Speaker 1: But totally rewatching it. My cheeks got very hot again.
Speaker 3: I mean, just from a writing standpoint in that moment.
Speaker 3: I found it a little surprising and interesting the idea
Speaker 3: that a level of genuine friendship and closeness and safety
Speaker 3: that Julie is providing can be misconstrued or open a
Speaker 3: door to a physical intimacy, because I don't feel like
Speaker 3: Julie is saying, oh, I'm romantically leaning in. I mean,
Speaker 3: and she physically isn't leaning in either, but Zak takes
Speaker 3: it that way, and I think that is I'm telling
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see where that that storyline develops. I
Speaker 3: feel like on the other side of the storyline, we
Speaker 3: have Lynette who has finally had her come to Jesus
Speaker 3: moment and stop taking her medication, and I like that
Speaker 3: she is relying on Tom, who's taken you know, the
Speaker 3: week off, to help her, even in his somewhat hapless way,
Speaker 3: get back on her feet and kind of have a
Speaker 3: reset and try to relax.
Speaker 2: He's holding the baby.
Speaker 3: The baby has come back, yes, And I just a
Speaker 3: very small note again on the fashion of the show.
Speaker 3: I think this is the third or fourth episode where
Speaker 3: Lynette is wearing this pearl choker necklace that she has
Speaker 3: been wearing in every single episode, and I gotta say,
Speaker 3: I love it, And now I'm gonna go try to
Speaker 3: find a pearl choker like that and buy it, because
Speaker 3: it the imaging has happen. I've seen it so many
Speaker 3: times now that I'm like, I need that, I need
Speaker 3: to I love that. I love that moment, And I
Speaker 3: think it's interesting that her character hasn't changed that. I
Speaker 3: think it feels telling about her kind of being a
Speaker 3: frazzled mom who of course doesn't have time to be
Speaker 3: changing her jewelry when she gets ready, and there maybe
Speaker 3: it's a.
Speaker 1: Special piece that she wears in her life, because you know,
Speaker 1: there are people who wear the same jewelry all the
Speaker 1: time and shower in it and sleep in it and
Speaker 1: all that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I don't know. It just it stood
Speaker 2: out to me.
Speaker 4: So Brie and Rex are at this swim meet where
Speaker 4: Andrew is apparently like going to be going to college
Speaker 4: for swimming, like on a scholarship or whatever, and.
Speaker 2: They begin to.
Speaker 4: Argue about whether they've made the right choice because Andrew
Speaker 4: is saying some pretty crazy things like you know that
Speaker 4: like he's off the hook, and that you know, he's
Speaker 4: kind of like doesn't seem to be bothered by the
Speaker 4: fact that he's nearly potentially killed someone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and bree is it seems to be coming down
Speaker 3: on the line of we have to find a way
Speaker 3: to discipline him further. And Rex is saying, well, we
Speaker 3: took away his you know, phone, we took away the TV.
Speaker 3: He's grounded, Like, what more can we do? And I
Speaker 3: think it's so interesting that at the swim meet she
Speaker 3: says we should make him stop swimming competitively, like that
Speaker 3: should be the punishment. And I'm I mean at which
Speaker 3: I love because they're arguing over who loves him more
Speaker 3: or loves him in the right way. And I think
Speaker 3: my favorite line of the episode has to go to Rex,
Speaker 3: who says he hung out in your womb for a
Speaker 3: couple of months in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one felt personal. I'll say, as someone who's
Speaker 1: got someone hanging out in their womb, it's a little
Speaker 1: bit more than that. Rex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's so.
Speaker 3: He's so dismissive, of course, as always of Breeze feelings.
Speaker 3: But I I do actually think and I'm curious to
Speaker 3: hear both of your takes. I think I fall on
Speaker 3: Rex's side of the argument in the sense that while
Speaker 3: I too am horrified that Andrew is having seemingly no remorse,
Speaker 3: although I would say I think him smoking so much
Speaker 3: pot is potentially indicative of the fact that he's having
Speaker 3: feelings that he doesn't want to address, that he's trying
Speaker 3: to bury.
Speaker 1: Or we should note that we we know, we learn
Speaker 1: that Andrew is smoking a lot of thought.
Speaker 3: Yeah in this episode, and I think that's a telling sign.
Speaker 3: But I do not think the correct to me parenting
Speaker 3: choice is to take the one thing that your child
Speaker 3: is passionate about that is actually a constructive, potentially life
Speaker 3: affirming activity that gives them structure and discipline and focus
Speaker 3: and ambition and take that one thing away as a punishment.
Speaker 3: I don't know what do you guys think? It really
Speaker 3: stood out to me, this divide between Brie and Rex.
Speaker 4: I have to say I used to tell people all
Speaker 4: the time that I could ever weigh in on these
Speaker 4: kinds of like real life parenting things because you never
Speaker 4: did anything wrong, Emerson, and I never had to punish you.
Speaker 5: I'm Kristin Davis, host of the podcast Are You a Charlotte?
Speaker 5: The most anticipated guest from season three is here the
Speaker 5: Tray to My Charlotte. Kyle McLaughlin joins me to relive
Speaker 5: all of the magical tray in Charlotte moments. He reveals
Speaker 5: what he thinks of Trey giving Charlotte a cardboard baby.
Speaker 1: Why would I bring her a cardboard baby? I was
Speaker 1: literally I was like, this doesn't track for me at all.
Speaker 5: When he found out Trey's shortcomings, I'm kind.
Speaker 1: Of excited to talking about.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I think he's he's a guy spends time in Central Park.
Speaker 2: You know, he's probably be some.
Speaker 1: Surgery stuff, you know. And I was like all this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff going on. And they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, fine,
Speaker 1: and they said, but.
Speaker 5: He's impotent, and I was like, he's impotent, and why
Speaker 5: he chose not to return to inges like that? They
Speaker 5: came and presented an idea and I was like, I
Speaker 5: get I see it.
Speaker 1: It's so kind of a one joke idea. You don't
Speaker 1: want to miss this.
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Speaker 1: I think I tend to agree with you Emerson on
Speaker 1: the punishment being let me take away the thing that
Speaker 1: is a positive source for you to focus on in
Speaker 1: your life as a form of forcing you to reconcile
Speaker 1: with your bad behavior. Maybe not the right call, but
Speaker 1: I also it's hard to put yourself in breeze shoes
Speaker 1: in this episode. It would be very scary to watch
Speaker 1: your teenage child, your teenage son do something so reckless
Speaker 1: with such a huge scary consequences of maybe taking someone's life,
Speaker 1: and be so callous about it, be so cavalier about Well,
Speaker 1: at least I'm off the hook, you know, and so
Speaker 1: I while I agree, I also think for Brie, I
Speaker 1: don't fault her necessarily for not knowing how to get
Speaker 1: through to him. Yeah, and this is another form of desperation.
Speaker 1: I guess she's really desperate to find a way to
Speaker 1: get him to recognize what he's done.
Speaker 4: Which leads us to like, what was my I think
Speaker 4: most desperate moment was So Brie finds out that Andrew
Speaker 4: is smoking pot, and so she makes him pee in
Speaker 4: a cup, and then she urgently drives the urine over
Speaker 4: to the golf course where Rex is in the middle
Speaker 4: of playing eighteen holes.
Speaker 2: I mean, crazy behavior.
Speaker 4: That's a crazy decision because even if Rex was to
Speaker 4: agree with her, it's not like he's going to leave
Speaker 4: the golf game and take the pe to the doctor
Speaker 4: or wherever you take it to get tested. Like she
Speaker 4: was definitely out of her mind in this maneuver. But
Speaker 4: it leaves them to be literally on a golf course
Speaker 4: arguing in front of everybody about what is the right
Speaker 4: way to handle this. And he says, oh, just it's
Speaker 4: so heartbreaking. He basically says that you know, everything about
Speaker 4: their marriage and everything was just a lie and he
Speaker 4: hated it all and he's always hated it and it's
Speaker 4: always been bad. And so she takes the urine and
Speaker 4: she rows it on him. It's one of those like
Speaker 4: visceral things where you know, they've shown us this.
Speaker 2: Jar of liquid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks exactly like you're you know, of course
Speaker 4: it wasn't urine, but it looks like uric.
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming.
Speaker 4: And so it's very hard for us to believe, like
Speaker 4: we feel like actual urine got thrown on Rex and
Speaker 4: it is so disgusting, Like it's just so disgusting. And
Speaker 4: then she has this line where she says, if you
Speaker 4: were my mom, I would want to smoke pot too.
Speaker 2: Yes, such a good line, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then she throws the urine on him and
Speaker 4: she's and He's like, why did you do that? And
Speaker 4: he said and and she says, because it's the same
Speaker 4: thing you just did to all the memories I've had
Speaker 4: of our marriage, and I mean, poor Brie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really do feel I feel for breathe and
Speaker 3: and to pivot a little bit, there are quite a
Speaker 3: few physical altercations happening in this episode.
Speaker 4: Wait wait, wait before can we back all the way
Speaker 4: back up to the Susan and Gabby thing, because yes,
Speaker 4: this is my favorite line and also like I we
Speaker 4: we We've been talking about it now for nine episodes.
Speaker 3: You you personally have been waiting for this moment.
Speaker 2: In her affair.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, and I forgot, genuinely I forgot, Like when
Speaker 4: did this happen? And were there any ever come up
Speaker 4: ins or not or whatever. But we we are at
Speaker 4: this fashion show or the readying of the fashion show,
Speaker 4: and Susan Uh sees under the table that Gabby has
Speaker 4: taken her foot out of her high heel and is
Speaker 4: now massaging John's bratch.
Speaker 2: And old move.
Speaker 1: And she sees that nearby.
Speaker 4: Okayah, fine form, so so she Susan marches over to
Speaker 4: Gabby's house and Uh and Gabby's like Hey, you know,
Speaker 4: do you want to help me with the with the
Speaker 4: with the clothes or something? And Susan says, sure, do
Speaker 4: you want to tell me why you had your foot
Speaker 4: in John rowlands crotch yesterday? And I just I love
Speaker 4: sort of the comedy. I mean, it's such a heavy thing.
Speaker 4: It's like, do you want to do this? Oh?
Speaker 2: Sure, do you want to do this?
Speaker 4: Tell you? And then I loved this order. Susan says,
Speaker 4: he's in high school, it's illegal, and you're married, and
Speaker 4: like that is the order in which she kind of
Speaker 4: puts the act back.
Speaker 1: But finally someone gets that order of offenses right.
Speaker 4: But then right after that, and this is like where
Speaker 4: I think Susan is a little annoying. Right after that,
Speaker 4: she does completely take a tangential left turn away from
Speaker 4: the illegality of it all and just completely buries her
Speaker 4: plants her, you know, foot in the ground of you're
Speaker 4: married and it's so wrong to have an affair on
Speaker 4: your spouse. And I was so hurt when that happened
Speaker 4: to me, And how can you do that to Carlos?
Speaker 4: And I just kept thinking like okay, okay, okay, but
Speaker 4: the bigger thing is here. Wait, let's go back high
Speaker 4: school illegal, and then and then you're married, like, yeah, wait,
Speaker 4: almost eighteen, those are the words that are used. I'm
Speaker 4: almost eighteen. So this started when he was sixteen or
Speaker 4: sixteen and a half, because it's been going on for
Speaker 4: a year. So wait, forget about the fact that, yes,
Speaker 4: it's bad that your husband cheats on you or whatever,
Speaker 4: but wait, go back high school illegal.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Although I will say, I mean, I think as a
Speaker 3: character motivator, it makes sense that and I love just
Speaker 3: on a personal level that in this podcast we have
Speaker 3: been talking so much about when is this affair gonna
Speaker 3: be exposed?
Speaker 2: And it is your character Susan, which.
Speaker 1: I totally forgot, Yeah, who is a.
Speaker 3: Catalyst of exposing it. But she has been so devastated
Speaker 3: by her husband cheating on her that, of course, in
Speaker 3: addition to in high school and illegal, the cheating element
Speaker 3: feels personal to Susan.
Speaker 1: Right, She's still walking around with that as kind of
Speaker 1: a raw nerve.
Speaker 3: And so it is so extra unfortunate that the person
Speaker 3: who is so morally like upset and offended by this
Speaker 3: action is the person who gets blamed. When John's mom
Speaker 3: sees her talking to John, of course, John's coming over
Speaker 3: to say, you know, I heard that you told Gabby
Speaker 3: that you saw us, and Susan is really tender thoughtful
Speaker 3: to him, and you know, touches his face, and his
Speaker 3: mom completely misconstrues it and pulls out of the runway
Speaker 3: show because she's so upset, and then shows up to
Speaker 3: assault Susan, who looks so beautiful in her white dress
Speaker 3: and so angelic I know, and she's gonna be the
Speaker 3: closer they're gonna reorder even though everyone looks so beautiful,
Speaker 3: she just is shining, and even Eatie is eating her words.
Speaker 3: And then she just gets literally torn apart and push
Speaker 3: on to the stage with the broken heel and her
Speaker 3: crotch out, looking.
Speaker 1: Like a little baby deer or something.
Speaker 3: Down you still look so sweet, and I actually I
Speaker 3: wanted to ask you because obviously misfortune befalls Susan a lot,
Speaker 3: and this felt like such an epitome of that moment
Speaker 3: where she is just trying to do the right thing
Speaker 3: and then literally gets blamed. And thank god that Gabby
Speaker 3: takes some accountability later in the or else I might
Speaker 3: not have been able to live with myself.
Speaker 4: Hi.
Speaker 6: It's Jenny Garth, host of the I Choose Me podcast
Speaker 6: this week. I'm so excited to welcome my friend Gabrielle
Speaker 6: carteris the Andrea Zuckerman from Beverly Hills nine o two
Speaker 6: one OHO to the pod. We're choosing to get real.
Speaker 4: I applied to the networks about my age and contracts.
Speaker 1: They never would have hired me if they had known
Speaker 1: my age. We're choosing to be honest.
Speaker 4: She looked at me, and she said, this business is
Speaker 4: about the mask, which you have neither of.
Speaker 1: Now we're choosing to get nostalgic.
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Speaker 3: Mom, I wanted to know, how did it feel to
Speaker 3: play a character that misfortune befell so consistently.
Speaker 4: H What a good question. I think in the beginning,
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed the physical comedy as a challenge, you know.
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed not trying to be a you know,
Speaker 4: a clownish buffoon, but like to have the things be
Speaker 4: you know, cemented in something that seemed sort of real.
Speaker 4: And then this physical flaw mistake situation happens, you know,
Speaker 4: and I I also like slipping on the banana peel.
Speaker 4: I also like the pie in the face. Like I
Speaker 4: grew up watching Lucile Ball, Like you know, I love
Speaker 4: Lucy was my favorite show all all you know, all
Speaker 4: the Mary Tyler Moore's and the and then and then
Speaker 4: the you know, the Young Frankenstein and the Anie Python
Speaker 4: and whatever like like all those comedic rhythms and and
Speaker 4: I don't know that they they're they're just inspirations and
Speaker 4: they just live in me. So so at first I
Speaker 4: think I really enjoyed it, and then myself kind of
Speaker 4: like the audience that that came to say that Susan
Speaker 4: was klutzy. You know, I didn't love that, And I
Speaker 4: think that label came from how many times Susan had mishaps.
Speaker 4: But you know, you go back to it was like
Speaker 4: episode two or three where the whole sort of intro
Speaker 4: is about how Susan is unlucky and you know she
Speaker 4: they just follow through with that, like things, no matter
Speaker 4: how well and tended Susan was, things were not going
Speaker 4: to go her way. Yeah, and sometimes you were on
Speaker 4: her side, and sometimes I think that quality was exhaustive.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, it totally works in this scene, but
Speaker 3: it's working so far.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I mean, in general, I guess I love
Speaker 4: the challenge. I love the vulnerability, I love the physical
Speaker 4: challenge of it. I love the dance that you're doing
Speaker 4: with the cameraman when you're shooting it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of that you certainly delivered. I mean I
Speaker 1: love watching you do those things. And sometimes I got
Speaker 1: a very up close view of you doing those things,
Speaker 1: and I was always in awe of it. Another thing
Speaker 1: that was happening that I just want to mention during
Speaker 1: this runway scene was Tom was the MC and I
Speaker 1: feel like his calling because man, was he good at that.
Speaker 1: I just really want to kick out of it. And
Speaker 1: I also just I think I have a soft spot
Speaker 1: in my heart for when someone publicly gets to gas
Speaker 1: up the person they love. And he literally got a
Speaker 1: stage in which to do that for Lynette, and I
Speaker 1: thought that was really nice when he commented on her
Speaker 1: her little stress down the runway.
Speaker 4: You did a great job because he's he's really showing
Speaker 4: up the lines.
Speaker 2: The angles, and the dress looks nice too. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I love their marriage. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, speaking of Tom and Lynette, like Lynette I think
Speaker 4: had just an also amazing side storyline here with one
Speaker 4: of I might have been. I mean, I already said that.
Speaker 4: My favorite line was sure, do you want to tell
Speaker 4: me why you had your foot in John Rowlands crotch yesterday?
Speaker 4: But this quick it was very closely followed by where
Speaker 4: can I score some high grade nanny? I mean, you
Speaker 4: know that is pretty pretty flawless.
Speaker 1: And the nanny in this case is played by the
Speaker 1: wonderful Marla Sokoloff, who I recently got to work with.
Speaker 1: She directed me in a movie that we did for
Speaker 1: for Lifetime.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she shared she shared wondering, I always wonder
Speaker 4: what happens to people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well she's directing and she is awesome, And
Speaker 1: she shared a little bit of her experience on the show.
Speaker 1: I really wanted to know more because it sounds like
Speaker 1: she had some interesting stories to share about what her
Speaker 1: time on Desperate House Ives was like. And I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen her. I mean, I guess we'd met at the
Speaker 1: table read, but then we hadn't seen each other again
Speaker 1: until this last year, right, because yeah, we didn't work
Speaker 1: directly together. But Lynette's storyline here of trying to approach
Speaker 1: herself a nanny is interesting. And also I think it's
Speaker 1: nice that we're opening the door for her to actually
Speaker 1: receive some real help on the ground, help with these kids,
Speaker 1: and that maybe she'll end up actually getting some rest
Speaker 1: at some point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love I love Lynette talking to Claire
Speaker 3: the baby's that are like she's in a bar picking
Speaker 3: her up and you know, and she doesn't want the
Speaker 3: jealous partner to come back. And of course the partner
Speaker 3: you know, being Claire's current boss who she ultimately ends
Speaker 3: up deciding to leave because Lynette makes her an offer
Speaker 3: that she can't refuse. But all the sneaking around and
Speaker 3: the subtle play of like do you come here often?
Speaker 2: And when are they coming back?
Speaker 3: I just I really enjoyed the writing in those scenes
Speaker 3: that it was really making me smile. In this episode,
Speaker 3: it was kind of nice to have a slightly lighter
Speaker 3: toned episode for Lynette after what last week's.
Speaker 1: Episode was like for her.
Speaker 3: Absolutely and then of enjoyed that break, I mean, speaking
Speaker 3: of a darker tone. Yes, we end with so much drama.
Speaker 3: We have the discovery of the adult female body that
Speaker 3: has been chopped up.
Speaker 1: So was Dana not a baby?
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, that was a big surprise, So it's
Speaker 4: not I mean, maybe there is a dead baby. But
Speaker 4: that's not what was in the in the in the chest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the toy chest.
Speaker 3: And so that is shocking and chilling, gruesome and gruesome.
Speaker 3: And then we have an eye. Yeah, no, I was
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say. Carlos and Gabby, I
Speaker 3: as a writer, and I think, Mom, we've talked about
Speaker 3: this a lot, even in relation to you actually doing
Speaker 3: stand up, which is funny, but the idea of set
Speaker 3: up and punchline and how you deliver a bait and switch,
Speaker 3: and we have been building the whole episode to Gabby
Speaker 3: confessing and being held accountable for her actions. And Gabby
Speaker 3: does confess finally, after you know, Susan is assaulted by
Speaker 3: John's mom. Gabby goes and confesses and she does the
Speaker 3: right thing to John's mom. Yeah, to John's mom. She
Speaker 3: has not confessed to Carlos yet. And they are sitting
Speaker 3: at home and he is working and he's clearly been
Speaker 3: stressed with work. That's his demo, and you think maybe
Speaker 3: she is going to confess, and she doesn't, and she
Speaker 3: says she's going to bed, and as she walks to
Speaker 3: the stairs, we see all the cop cars pull up,
Speaker 3: and she thinks.
Speaker 2: John's moms called her n is illegal. As Susan said,
Speaker 2: it's illegal. It comes under it.
Speaker 3: And she runs up to him and she drops to
Speaker 3: her knees and she doesn't explain anything.
Speaker 2: She just says, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: I love you. Just whatever happens, know that I love you.
Speaker 3: And they come in the door and they're there to
Speaker 3: arrest Carlos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about a twist and turn, and it is.
Speaker 3: It is such a good bait and switch. I was like,
Speaker 3: this is good television.
Speaker 2: We need to tune in next week. I need to
Speaker 2: see what happens, Carlos.
Speaker 1: You have the ending of the episode, which is when
Speaker 1: Susan sees a friend in need, and in spite of
Speaker 1: the fact that the whole episode Susan has been justifiably hurt, angry, confused,
Speaker 1: mystified by Gabrielle's choices, she goes to support her friend
Speaker 1: in need who is clearly hurting, and you have this
Speaker 1: moment of them sitting on the porch and it actually
Speaker 1: is my my other favorite line of the episode, which
Speaker 1: is Mary Alice saying, sometimes the only way to ward
Speaker 1: off the darkness is to shine the light of compassion.
Speaker 4: That is a really great line. For the world right now.
Speaker 4: Sometimes the only way to what was it, get through.
Speaker 1: The ward off the dark shiny light.
Speaker 4: Well that's beautiful.
Speaker 3: I mean, may we all go out into our weeks
Speaker 3: after listening to this episode. And you know, obviously it's
Speaker 3: a lighthearted podcast, but I hope you feel inspired to
Speaker 3: shine the light of compassion where you can this week.
Speaker 2: Well, as always, we'll.
Speaker 4: Be here next week because we are desperately to you.
Speaker 3: Thank you,