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Speaker 1: Welcome to Desperately Devoted. Join us as we explore the

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Speaker 1: human experience through the lens of the iconic show Desperate Housewise.

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Speaker 2: I'm Terry Patcher, I'm Andrea Bowen, and I'm a Mercantana.

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Speaker 1: Gosh. Well, we have just been loving this episode and

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Speaker 1: all there is to talk about. So this week we

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Speaker 1: are shining our spotlight on episode nine, suspicious Mind. Well,

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Speaker 1: this episode I remembered, right, so a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: I don't why, yeah, right, why, young Andrea, did this

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Speaker 1: episode stick out to you? So we kind of I'll

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Speaker 1: go through the little storyline quickly, but we learned that

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Speaker 1: Julia and Zach are pen paling each other, and then

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Speaker 1: we also learned that Julie is hiding Zach up in

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Speaker 1: her bedroom. He has escaped from where he was the

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Speaker 1: juvenile mental health facility, and Julie's keeping him up in

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Speaker 1: her bedroom as a secret from everybody.

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Speaker 2: I guess I did have a question about that.

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Speaker 3: I thought, wait, is Susan aware and keeping Julie's secret,

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Speaker 3: because if.

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Speaker 2: She is, she's a really good poker face. And I

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Speaker 1: I don't think she's aware. She's not aware, She's dealing

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Speaker 1: with a lot this episode, Susan, she's off at the

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Speaker 1: Passion show and she's fielding all physical attacks so so,

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Speaker 1: and also this might only be one night. I don't

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Speaker 1: really know how long this is. This her hiding him

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Speaker 1: does reveal some thing so traumatic. He reveals that he

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Speaker 1: had buried no pun intended, a memory from when he

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Speaker 1: was four years old that he kind of he's recently

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Speaker 1: unearthed after his mom's passing, about this argument that he

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Speaker 1: overheard his parents having, and it led him to the

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Speaker 1: conclusion that he was that he had a baby sister

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Speaker 1: And it's just like this crazy admission, and you feel

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Speaker 1: so much for this young boy who has no outlet,

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Speaker 1: just left with all these feelings and Julie is trying

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Speaker 1: And then this scene ends with him kissing Julie. And

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Speaker 1: that's you know, one of the reasons why this episode

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Speaker 1: stands out in my memory so much, because I had

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Speaker 1: probably had I had had a friend, I had been kissed. No, no, but.

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Speaker 2: I had had Who was your first kiss?

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Speaker 1: It was at school? It was nothing interesting.

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Speaker 2: It was not a great school during school day.

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Speaker 1: Well, I went to a performing arts school in Manhattan,

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Speaker 1: and half of our day was not kissing, was practicing

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Speaker 1: it on screen, right right, No, but this was I mean,

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Speaker 1: this was probably my second I mean I was not.

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Speaker 1: I had not had a lot of experience. I was fourteen,

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Speaker 1: this is one of those things about being a child

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Speaker 4: Totally Also, this pre dates by decades, this idea of

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Speaker 4: do you recall did the director did anybody like talk

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Speaker 4: you through so Andrea, is this okay when he's going

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Speaker 1: I don't recall anyone really acting in that capacity. No,

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Speaker 4: Yeah there, Yeah, I think I imagine there's some sort of

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Speaker 1: But totally rewatching it. My cheeks got very hot again.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just from a writing standpoint in that moment.

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Speaker 3: and she physically isn't leaning in either, but Zak takes

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to see where that that storyline develops. I

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Speaker 2: He's holding the baby.

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Speaker 3: The baby has come back, yes, And I just a

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Speaker 3: Lynette is wearing this pearl choker necklace that she has

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Speaker 1: Special piece that she wears in her life, because you know,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I don't know. It just it stood

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Speaker 4: So Brie and Rex are at this swim meet where

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and bree is it seems to be coming down

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that one felt personal. I'll say, as someone who's

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Speaker 3: He's so dismissive, of course, as always of Breeze feelings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah in this episode, and I think that's a telling sign.

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Speaker 3: But I do not think the correct to me parenting

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Speaker 3: I don't know what do you guys think? It really

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Speaker 3: stood out to me, this divide between Brie and Rex.

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Speaker 4: I have to say I used to tell people all

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Speaker 4: kinds of like real life parenting things because you never

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Speaker 5: I'm Kristin Davis, host of the podcast Are You a Charlotte?

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Speaker 5: The most anticipated guest from season three is here the

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Speaker 5: Tray to My Charlotte. Kyle McLaughlin joins me to relive

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Speaker 5: all of the magical tray in Charlotte moments. He reveals

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Speaker 5: what he thinks of Trey giving Charlotte a cardboard baby.

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Speaker 1: Why would I bring her a cardboard baby? I was

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Speaker 1: literally I was like, this doesn't track for me at all.

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Speaker 5: When he found out Trey's shortcomings, I'm kind.

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Speaker 1: Of excited to talking about.

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Speaker 1: I think he's he's a guy spends time in Central Park.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's probably be some.

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Speaker 1: Surgery stuff, you know. And I was like all this

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Speaker 5: He's impotent, and I was like, he's impotent, and why

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Speaker 5: he chose not to return to inges like that? They

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Speaker 5: came and presented an idea and I was like, I

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Speaker 1: It's so kind of a one joke idea. You don't

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Speaker 4: Hi.

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Speaker 6: It's Jenny Garth, host of the I Choose Me podcast

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Speaker 6: this week. I'm so excited to welcome my friend Gabrielle

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Speaker 6: carteris the Andrea Zuckerman from Beverly Hills nine o two

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Speaker 6: one OHO to the pod. We're choosing to get real.

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Speaker 4: I applied to the networks about my age and contracts.

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Speaker 1: They never would have hired me if they had known

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Speaker 4: She looked at me, and she said, this business is

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Speaker 1: Now we're choosing to get nostalgic.

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Speaker 6: Listen to I Choose Me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 6: or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Mom, I wanted to know, how did it feel to

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Speaker 4: H What a good question. I think in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: she had some interesting stories to share about what her

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Speaker 1: table read, but then we hadn't seen each other again

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Speaker 1: until this last year, right, because yeah, we didn't work

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Speaker 1: directly together. But Lynette's storyline here of trying to approach

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Speaker 1: nice that we're opening the door for her to actually

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Speaker 1: receive some real help on the ground, help with these kids,

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Speaker 1: and that maybe she'll end up actually getting some rest

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Speaker 1: at some point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love I love Lynette talking to Claire

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Speaker 3: the baby's that are like she's in a bar picking

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Speaker 3: you know, being Claire's current boss who she ultimately ends

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Speaker 3: up deciding to leave because Lynette makes her an offer

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Speaker 3: that she can't refuse. But all the sneaking around and

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Speaker 3: the subtle play of like do you come here often?

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Speaker 2: And when are they coming back?

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Speaker 3: I just I really enjoyed the writing in those scenes

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Speaker 3: that it was really making me smile. In this episode,

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Speaker 3: it was kind of nice to have a slightly lighter

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Speaker 3: toned episode for Lynette after what last week's.

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Speaker 1: Episode was like for her.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely and then of enjoyed that break, I mean, speaking

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Speaker 3: of a darker tone. Yes, we end with so much drama.

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Speaker 3: We have the discovery of the adult female body that

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Speaker 3: has been chopped up.

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Speaker 1: So was Dana not a baby?

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Speaker 4: But yeah, no, that was a big surprise, So it's

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Speaker 4: not I mean, maybe there is a dead baby. But

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Speaker 4: that's not what was in the in the in the chest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in the toy chest.

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Speaker 3: And so that is shocking and chilling, gruesome and gruesome.

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Speaker 3: And then we have an eye. Yeah, no, I was

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Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say. Carlos and Gabby, I

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Speaker 3: as a writer, and I think, Mom, we've talked about

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Speaker 3: this a lot, even in relation to you actually doing

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Speaker 3: up and punchline and how you deliver a bait and switch,

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Speaker 3: and we have been building the whole episode to Gabby

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Speaker 3: confessing and being held accountable for her actions. And Gabby

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Speaker 3: does confess finally, after you know, Susan is assaulted by

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Speaker 3: John's mom. Gabby goes and confesses and she does the

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Speaker 3: right thing to John's mom. Yeah, to John's mom. She

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Speaker 3: has not confessed to Carlos yet. And they are sitting

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Speaker 3: at home and he is working and he's clearly been

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Speaker 3: stressed with work. That's his demo, and you think maybe

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Speaker 3: she is going to confess, and she doesn't, and she

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Speaker 3: says she's going to bed, and as she walks to

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Speaker 3: and she thinks.

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Speaker 2: John's moms called her n is illegal. As Susan said,

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Speaker 2: it's illegal. It comes under it.

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Speaker 3: And she runs up to him and she drops to

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Speaker 3: her knees and she doesn't explain anything.

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Speaker 2: She just says, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 3: I love you. Just whatever happens, know that I love you.

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Speaker 3: And they come in the door and they're there to

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Speaker 3: arrest Carlos.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about a twist and turn, and it is.

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Speaker 3: It is such a good bait and switch. I was like,

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Speaker 3: this is good television.

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Speaker 2: We need to tune in next week. I need to

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Speaker 2: see what happens, Carlos.

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Speaker 1: You have the ending of the episode, which is when

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Speaker 1: Susan sees a friend in need, and in spite of

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Speaker 1: the fact that the whole episode Susan has been justifiably hurt, angry, confused,

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Speaker 1: mystified by Gabrielle's choices, she goes to support her friend

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Speaker 1: in need who is clearly hurting, and you have this

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Speaker 1: moment of them sitting on the porch and it actually

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Speaker 1: is my my other favorite line of the episode, which

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Speaker 1: is Mary Alice saying, sometimes the only way to ward

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Speaker 1: off the darkness is to shine the light of compassion.

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Speaker 4: That is a really great line. For the world right now.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes the only way to what was it, get through.

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Speaker 1: The ward off the dark shiny light.

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Speaker 4: Well that's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: I mean, may we all go out into our weeks

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Speaker 3: after listening to this episode. And you know, obviously it's

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Speaker 3: a lighthearted podcast, but I hope you feel inspired to

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Speaker 3: shine the light of compassion where you can this week.

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Speaker 2: Well, as always, we'll.

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Speaker 4: Be here next week because we are desperately to you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you,