Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome back to Bechler Happy Hour. I am
Speaker 1: Joe and I am Serena, and today we are here
Speaker 1: with Devin in my opinion, right now as I'm watching
Speaker 1: one of Jen's front runners, Devin, Welcome to Bachler Happy Hour.
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing fantastic that you guys are having me. Honestly,
Speaker 2: it feels great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, been a wanting you for a minute because you've been,
Speaker 3: as we have been saying, a controversial character this season.
Speaker 3: You've had some You've had a wide variety of moments, let's.
Speaker 4: Get it that way.
Speaker 3: So I feel like this is a great time to
Speaker 3: talk to you to kind of just get into everything
Speaker 3: that we've seen and maybe some of the stuff that
Speaker 3: you didn't see while you were filming, but you've now
Speaker 3: watched back and your opinion on all of that as well,
Speaker 3: because it's been a lot said in interviews too.
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to get into everything. We're gonna to
Speaker 1: get into Sam m the ice cream, you're connection with Jim.
Speaker 1: We'll get into all that before we do. How did
Speaker 1: you get on the Bachelorette?
Speaker 5: So funny story. My my best friend's wife, Alexis, she
Speaker 5: actually works for me. I hired her a little over
Speaker 5: a year ago, and she said that her first or
Speaker 5: of business since I was a newly single man looking
Speaker 5: for love, was to give me on her favorite TV
Speaker 5: show of all time that she's been watching since she
Speaker 5: was a kid, and that was The Bachelorette. So I
Speaker 5: actually got a call, thought it was spam, got a
Speaker 5: couple more, didn't answer it.
Speaker 2: They ended up calling and reaching out to Alexis.
Speaker 5: She reached out to me, said, hey, you should probably
Speaker 5: call these guys back. They seem like they're actually real people.
Speaker 5: And I get a lot of spam calls with my company.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the same thing I had three Bess calls.
Speaker 3: I was like, these freaking telemarketers just won't leave me alone.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, and I think, I think when I look
Speaker 5: back on it, I had like a missed voicemail like
Speaker 5: from someone saying, hey, I promise, like I'm a real person,
Speaker 5: this is legit, Like, give me a call back if
Speaker 5: you're interested. And I did, and sure enough, I want
Speaker 5: end up on one of the favor my favorite shows
Speaker 5: of all time.
Speaker 1: Now found favorite show. I answered, I see the California
Speaker 1: number coming right away. I'm like, about time Hollywood's calling me.
Speaker 1: I answered immediately, I answered on the first ring.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know anyone in al A, Like,
Speaker 3: who would be calling me from California?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Exactly, And and like I said, I get a lot
Speaker 5: of spam calls to my cell phone from work. So
Speaker 5: I had just figured it was a telemarketers insurance trying
Speaker 5: to sell me something with commercial.
Speaker 2: Insurance or whatever. So I had no paid no mind
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: What do you you said, you have your own Do
Speaker 1: you have your own business? What do you do?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So I I call it a consultant firm. It's a
Speaker 5: transportation brokerage. Basically, we're the middlemen between corporate America shippers
Speaker 5: and industrial manufacturers.
Speaker 1: That yeah, yeah, nice, Good for you.
Speaker 2: It's hectic. I learned to talk a lot in that
Speaker 2: in this industry, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you got to you gotta sell people over
Speaker 1: the phone, right yeah yeah? Okay. So you you know,
Speaker 1: night one, you step out of the limo, your first
Speaker 1: conversation with Jen, how are you feeling? Are there sparks there?
Speaker 1: Do you feel a connection?
Speaker 5: You know, I'll preface it like this. I had never
Speaker 5: seen the show before, so I had relatively little knowledge
Speaker 5: of what I was even supposed to be doing there obviously,
Speaker 5: other than getting to know this person, I'm seeing Jen
Speaker 5: for the first time.
Speaker 2: I think she looks stunning. I mean, she looks magnificent.
Speaker 1: And did you know did you know she was gonna
Speaker 1: be the bachelorette before you went on?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't even know any of the contestants. I
Speaker 2: saw her.
Speaker 5: Premiere when they announced it, and that was the first
Speaker 5: time that I had never seen Jen ever, ever ever
Speaker 5: heard her speak, ever say a word. And so for me,
Speaker 5: it wasn't like I feel like, for me, it wasn't
Speaker 5: about making a shopping cart list of who I could
Speaker 5: think it could be and then going and treating the
Speaker 5: situation like it was. I just wanted to go and
Speaker 5: meet a genuine person and that could possibly like me
Speaker 5: for who I am, and that was all that had
Speaker 5: crossed my mind at that point. It was nice, it
Speaker 5: was nice to kind of go and blind. I didn't
Speaker 5: think there was a connection right away with Jen, especially
Speaker 5: since I started talking about feet right away.
Speaker 2: Thankfully, she's a very good sport and kind of rolled
Speaker 2: with the bunches my use a little bit. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I was nervous. I mean, there's cameras everywhere, there's all
Speaker 2: these guys.
Speaker 1: So when did you feel the connection?
Speaker 5: I think I think that when I took her for
Speaker 5: ice cream, and how willing she was to have a
Speaker 5: conversation with me away from the group right then and there,
Speaker 5: and because of how my personality is, it kind of
Speaker 5: was telling about who I was and the fact that
Speaker 5: she enjoyed that moment with me told me that she
Speaker 5: enjoyed how I am and who I am and and
Speaker 5: a little bit of that. So that was like my
Speaker 5: first like, okay, this girl's this girl's kind of cool,
Speaker 5: like she's down a skip class and go get ice.
Speaker 2: Cream with me, Like that's an amazing feeling.
Speaker 5: So it started there and it just, you know, obviously
Speaker 5: only grew over time. But I didn't I didn't know
Speaker 5: right away if she was into me. I didn't know
Speaker 5: night one if I was gonna be there, you know,
Speaker 5: coming the next week.
Speaker 2: But you know, again, for me, it was all about
Speaker 2: the experience.
Speaker 3: So she she compared you to Pete Davidson in episode one.
Speaker 3: I think we've seen people online saying it too. Is
Speaker 3: that a comparison you've gotten before?
Speaker 5: So yes, I actually get that way more than I'm
Speaker 5: proud of I think, I know. But for me, like
Speaker 5: I always had this idea of Pete Davidson, like in
Speaker 5: my mind that he was just this person that they're
Speaker 5: not ugly, but just you know, he's not on the
Speaker 5: better looking side of people in the world, and so
Speaker 5: and so for me, like when people would tell me that,
Speaker 5: and it's happened a lot more, I think in the
Speaker 5: last like three years, I get it quite frequently.
Speaker 2: But for me, it's it.
Speaker 5: I'm like, as long as I don't look like him,
Speaker 5: that's great. As long as I remind you of Pete Davidson,
Speaker 5: that's fantastic. I do a lot of the same. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm very vocal. I guess I moved my head all
Speaker 5: out when I talk or whatever. But reminding him is
Speaker 5: much better than looking like him.
Speaker 1: I actually don't really think you look like him, thank you.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: I think it's like the energy and the mannerisms and
Speaker 3: kind of the way you talk more so than I appreciate.
Speaker 2: That means a lot. He could never grow a mustache.
Speaker 1: Like this, never ever, so so you so you connect
Speaker 1: over ice cream. But then when you did pull her
Speaker 1: for ice cream, that was kind of I think that
Speaker 1: was the start of like the Devin arc of the
Speaker 1: guys hate me essentially or not are upset with me?
Speaker 1: Did you realize that was going to rub all the
Speaker 1: guys the wrong way when you did make that move?
Speaker 5: And no again, because because I haven't seen the show
Speaker 5: and I don't know how any of this stuff works.
Speaker 5: My my mindset was like, Okay, we have how long
Speaker 5: to talk to this girl and be with this person.
Speaker 5: We're into like a rug store looking at rugs. Everybody's
Speaker 5: doing their own thing at that point. You know, Jen's
Speaker 5: kind of looking around like a shop early She's trying
Speaker 5: to buy something for her house. So for me, in
Speaker 5: my mind, I was like, Okay, this is a great
Speaker 5: opportunity for me to kind of just get to know
Speaker 5: this person a little bit more one on one time.
Speaker 2: And so I didn't know that.
Speaker 5: It was gonna affect a certain select group of people,
Speaker 5: and for the most part, not everybody was upset. In
Speaker 5: my mind, I think it was a playful gesture, taking
Speaker 5: a little bit out of context for what it actually was,
Speaker 5: and that rubbed a couple of people the wrong way.
Speaker 1: And was.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I was just gonna say, like I didn't
Speaker 5: I didn't expect the implications of this to be what
Speaker 5: it was, especially when you look back on it from
Speaker 5: that original moment, like, you know, it's just ice cream.
Speaker 5: You know, I may have talked to her for a
Speaker 5: few minutes and then it was back to business. Everybody
Speaker 5: was you know, they didn't let me enjoy the moment,
Speaker 5: that's for sure, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I didn't know it was going to be like that.
Speaker 4: Would you go back and do it again?
Speaker 1: I think? I mean, yeah, I think that was the
Speaker 1: right move, especially if she's walking around looking for rugs
Speaker 1: and no one's even like really talking to her, then
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's almost a genius move exactly.
Speaker 5: And and for me it was like, you know, and
Speaker 5: again it's gelatto. I was corrected on this a lot.
Speaker 5: It's gelatto on, not ice cream. But with the gelato thing,
Speaker 5: it was just an opportunity for me to get some
Speaker 5: side conversation in a little bit of stuff that you know, just.
Speaker 2: Hey, look i'm here, i'm available, I'm a good guy.
Speaker 2: Let's have some fun with it.
Speaker 5: I'm not really going to be concerned with the opinions
Speaker 5: of many as long as I have the validation.
Speaker 2: Of your opinion.
Speaker 5: That's all I care about, you know, So that's that's
Speaker 5: kind of my thought process through that whole thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, look, it was a ballsy move
Speaker 3: for sure, one that paid off. But we see that
Speaker 3: a lot of the time the female leads on these
Speaker 3: group dates feel like they get lost. It happens at
Speaker 3: least like once or twice a season where they're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: all these guys are like growing out and I'm just
Speaker 3: here by myself.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she forgot that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think it was a good move in
Speaker 3: the sense if she's standing by herself, she would much
Speaker 3: rather be pulled aside and made you feel wanted by
Speaker 3: someone because she started to find love. But we do
Speaker 3: see the guys start ripping into on the second half
Speaker 3: of that date because you have the roasts. Were you
Speaker 3: surprised that it was kind of like the roast of
Speaker 3: Devin or were you expecting that.
Speaker 5: Like, I'll put it like this, It's not that I
Speaker 5: didn't see it coming. I'm like, I'm a person that
Speaker 5: doesn't take themselves too seriously. I say this all the time,
Speaker 5: Like I told this to the guys in the house, Like,
Speaker 5: my friends and I are way meaner to each other
Speaker 5: than you. Guys have ever been to me, so like,
Speaker 5: this doesn't bother me. I think it's it was the
Speaker 5: fact of the matter that it did put such a
Speaker 5: sustainable thought in their mind, like Devin is a problem,
Speaker 5: Devin is a thing.
Speaker 2: But in my mind, I'm thinking, Okay, they're just talking
Speaker 2: about me. Jen's just hearing my.
Speaker 5: Name over and over and over again, Like there's gotta
Speaker 5: be something at least to talk about here. So was
Speaker 5: it funny I left? You know, I didn't take offense
Speaker 5: to it. I didn't take any part in like being
Speaker 5: upset about the jokes yet. Did I think I had
Speaker 5: it coming?
Speaker 2: Probably?
Speaker 5: But you know again, if you're gonna dish it, take it,
Speaker 5: And I think that's what I did in that moment,
Speaker 5: just kind of yeah, roll with the punches.
Speaker 1: So Aaron, now we're friends with I never met Aaron,
Speaker 1: but we're friends with Noah, Aaron's twin brother, and Noah
Speaker 1: actually Noah was a contestant on the show who another
Speaker 1: another guy gave Noah a book about like maturity and
Speaker 1: the like being immature. So it's just like it was
Speaker 1: funny now to see Noah's twin brother give you a
Speaker 1: book on like what is it self growth whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's talk about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, walk us through the Aaron things. We see you
Speaker 3: guys have the ice cream standoff and the and we
Speaker 3: see him giving the book. The ironic thing is, I'm
Speaker 3: curious that they would agree with this. I think, no,
Speaker 3: why is more similar to Devin than he is to
Speaker 3: Aaron personality wise?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do too. Yeah.
Speaker 5: See see, I don't know. I've only only heard about
Speaker 5: this from like after the fact, because I didn't know.
Speaker 5: I heard that he had a brother on the show,
Speaker 5: like when we were there, and so I didn't think
Speaker 5: anything of it.
Speaker 2: But I didn't know it.
Speaker 5: Went like the rabbit hole went as deep as it did. Yeah,
Speaker 5: for me, I think with the whole situation with Aaron
Speaker 5: was I knew that he was the vocal one about
Speaker 5: being upset about the ice cream situation, and I could
Speaker 5: have saw myself empathizing with him maybe a little bit.
Speaker 5: For me, I don't see the big deal. I'm like,
Speaker 5: what is the big deal here? You know that we're
Speaker 5: making this commotion about. But when he pulled me aside
Speaker 5: to talk to me at the bar, if you remember
Speaker 5: at the cocktail party, he doesn't like make it a
Speaker 5: situation that talks about him saying, hey, I was uncomfortable
Speaker 5: about this situation because of this. He immediately leads into, hey,
Speaker 5: you're not a man and you're not grown enough to
Speaker 5: be with a woman. I'm judging your character, I'm judging
Speaker 5: your depth. I don't think she wants to be with
Speaker 5: a boy. And I'm like, we don't even know each other, Like,
Speaker 5: we don't even know each other yet. So I think that,
Speaker 5: you know, any inclination that I had to hear him
Speaker 5: out in that moment kind of went out the window.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: I'm like, Okay, we're gonna just make bold assumptions like that.
Speaker 5: Then I can't help you here, buddy. You know I'm
Speaker 5: I'm not the guy that you're gonna rile up, that's
Speaker 5: for sure. Do I think I was a little petty
Speaker 5: with him with the ice cream afterwards, Yes, of course,
Speaker 5: But that's who I am a little bit. You know,
Speaker 5: if I'm gonna get under your skin and and I'm
Speaker 5: gonna see how people act when they're under pressure, because
Speaker 5: I think that shows a lot of who you are
Speaker 5: is is you know, not ideal environments.
Speaker 2: How are you gonna operate? You know, how you're you
Speaker 2: gonna operate.
Speaker 4: Tell us about the book situation, like, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, it's the same, It was the same.
Speaker 5: Had I known it was like something that had happened
Speaker 5: in his lineage before, I would have made probably a
Speaker 5: little bit more of a joke.
Speaker 2: Out of it. For me, I just thought it was
Speaker 2: very condescending.
Speaker 5: Again, as much fun as I'll poke at you, I'll
Speaker 5: never like make assumptions about who you are or what
Speaker 5: your values are and what you believe in and the
Speaker 5: things that you deserve in life and things that you
Speaker 5: don't deserve in life. So for me, what the biggest
Speaker 5: thing was was he was trying to like sun me
Speaker 5: in that moment and try to bestow this wisdom on
Speaker 5: me that he clearly didn't have himself about maturity in
Speaker 5: the stage where if it's if it's bothering you so much,
Speaker 5: let's have a real conversation, let's talk about it, let's
Speaker 5: get over it. He wanted to like get back at
Speaker 5: me in that in that setting, and I'm sitting there like, Okay,
Speaker 5: we're we're having this discussion again about depth, We're having
Speaker 5: this discussion again about character. And then you just follow
Speaker 5: up and you call me Dylan, which could have been
Speaker 5: a joke on his part, but even in the moment, like,
Speaker 5: if it's a joke, then you must realize how silly
Speaker 5: you're sounding right now for making this an argument. If
Speaker 5: it's gonna be, you know, something you make fun of
Speaker 5: my name for so, I don't know, man it was.
Speaker 1: Do you think you guys do you think you guys
Speaker 1: have if you ran into him now? Do you think
Speaker 1: you guys are could hash it out? Would be fine?
Speaker 5: I think I think Aaron. I think Aaron's probably more
Speaker 5: of a salvageable case than Samka for sure, just because like, uh,
Speaker 5: Aaron just didn't seem like, I don't know, he just
Speaker 5: didn't seem like he had too big of an issue.
Speaker 5: It's like the collective group that he associated with once
Speaker 5: he told him about it made such a big to do.
Speaker 2: I think that he kind of felt the need to
Speaker 2: like be that voice or reason.
Speaker 1: All right, So who who is? Who is this collective group?
Speaker 6: Uh so at that time, it's like, what it's Sam
Speaker 6: and Thomas Thomas n I guess you can say Spencer
Speaker 6: maybe a little bit at that time, and then obviously Aaron,
Speaker 6: and then you got like Thomas a who's there?
Speaker 5: But that that that group right there, you know, but
Speaker 5: it was really mainly just those three Thomas, Sam and Aaron.
Speaker 5: Who it was like every time I breathed there was
Speaker 5: a reason to call up arms, you know. Every time
Speaker 5: I moved or looked the wrong way, you know, there
Speaker 5: was an issue in place.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well let's get into Thomas n then because
Speaker 3: Aaron leaves. Actually, wait before we jump off of Aaron,
Speaker 3: how did it feel watching it back seeing kind of
Speaker 3: the hint he gives Jen about people might not be
Speaker 3: here for the right reasons, and do you feel like
Speaker 3: that was about you?
Speaker 4: Soulate?
Speaker 2: He told me that he told me I wasn't here
Speaker 2: for the right reasons.
Speaker 5: At on the conversation at the bar, you heard he
Speaker 5: says it like he's like, I don't think that you're
Speaker 5: here for the right reasons. So in my mind, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I know he's talking about me, like at least have
Speaker 5: the decency to say my name or something like that.
Speaker 3: You know, do you think he should have just said
Speaker 3: it to Jen, like, hey, I don't think Devin is
Speaker 3: here for the right reasons.
Speaker 2: And at that point in time, who is everyone arguing with?
Speaker 5: You know, I don't think it's very like hard to miss,
Speaker 5: you know, the direct focus of where that message could
Speaker 5: have been, you know, push, But I think it was
Speaker 5: me and I And when when she came in and
Speaker 5: said that, I immediately thought it was me that she
Speaker 5: was talking She was talking about, you know, so didn't you.
Speaker 1: Did you guys have that kind did you? And Jen
Speaker 1: then have that conversation of like, hey, Jenna, I think
Speaker 1: Aaron was talking about me.
Speaker 5: I I did not have that conversation explicitly where I
Speaker 5: said is Aaron?
Speaker 2: Was Aaron talking about me?
Speaker 5: I just made it more of a reassuring moment for
Speaker 5: her than I was there for the right reasons. I
Speaker 5: kind of just played it like I'm not even gonna
Speaker 5: pay mine to this whatever is going on externally from
Speaker 5: this guy who can't even talk to anymore, because he
Speaker 5: didn't he didn't have the decency to say it to me.
Speaker 5: He did, but he did it kind of backhandidly, and
Speaker 5: then he does it to this poor girl who is,
Speaker 5: you know, on her journey. Jenna is trying to do
Speaker 5: her thing, and she just he throws a wrench in
Speaker 5: it without any implications or any care about it.
Speaker 2: So it was it was a frustrating experience.
Speaker 5: She again, I didn't say like, oh, it is Aaron
Speaker 5: talking about me?
Speaker 2: But did I feel that way? Yes?
Speaker 5: Did I bring it up to her in that way? No,
Speaker 5: but I made it so that she was reassured.
Speaker 2: That I was.
Speaker 3: Therefore, how did it feel hearing him say and what
Speaker 3: would be your sponse to it?
Speaker 4: I guess he talks a lot about how he feels
Speaker 4: like you're.
Speaker 3: More of a boy than a man, and like you
Speaker 3: are not ready for a serious commitment or to settle down.
Speaker 5: I mean, but I could be candid about it, like
Speaker 5: it it kind of pisses me off. You know, it's
Speaker 5: it's again, we don't know each other that well, that's
Speaker 5: something that I don't would even say to you know,
Speaker 5: some friends that I have that I've been knowing for years.
Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing for me was who are
Speaker 5: you to assume you are so much better than me
Speaker 5: when we don't know each other? And and for you
Speaker 5: to kind of put yourself in my shoes when you
Speaker 5: don't know anything about me?
Speaker 1: Again, any did you ever get an answer to that
Speaker 1: question about what you basically what you just said of
Speaker 1: like you putting it back on them, like who are you?
Speaker 1: Like you don't know who I am, Like, well, did
Speaker 1: you ever get a response?
Speaker 2: They would say that.
Speaker 5: I mean, the biggest thing was like that I was
Speaker 5: two face, that I was, that I was like acting
Speaker 5: a different way than I was around everyone else, and
Speaker 5: that never changed. I mean I made the same ass
Speaker 5: of myself in front of gend a bunch of times
Speaker 5: that I did in front of the guys.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just for me.
Speaker 5: I knew when you know yourself so well, and I'm
Speaker 5: not going to say I know myself perfectly, but I
Speaker 5: think with my life experiences and things that I've gone through,
Speaker 5: I know myself very very well. You know, I know
Speaker 5: my flaws, I know my mind. The show, Yeah, thank you,
Speaker 5: and I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 5: I think that for me, when when I know myself
Speaker 5: that to that extent, none of these little words are
Speaker 5: going to trigger me. And I think that was what
Speaker 5: frustrated everyone so much about me, was that they were
Speaker 5: trying to assume and place this judgment and put this
Speaker 5: like mask on me that wasn't there, and I it
Speaker 5: wasn't going to bother me. You know, I was there
Speaker 5: for Jen. I had no idea about the show. I
Speaker 5: don't care about the antics or the unwritten rules or
Speaker 5: the group collective thinking that I think was going on
Speaker 5: at that time. I was just focused on her, and
Speaker 5: I think that's what rubbed a lot of the guys
Speaker 5: from away.
Speaker 1: So were there any guys that you were I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously there were, I should have phrased it like that,
Speaker 1: But who were you friends with?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Who was team?
Speaker 5: I think it's bigger than you might may expect, you know,
Speaker 5: I Jonathan was really close to me, Uh, Grant, sam
Speaker 5: N Love sam N, Brian, you know those guys.
Speaker 2: Marcus was fantastic to me. Uh, even Austin.
Speaker 5: You know, a lot of the guys were very good
Speaker 5: talking points for me, because again, with with so much
Speaker 5: commotion and chaos it, you know, I'd like to say,
Speaker 5: I'm so high mighty, I don't need to like talk
Speaker 5: about it, but you know, I'd like to get some
Speaker 5: solace and some comfort from the guys in the house
Speaker 5: every now and then. And and that I think was
Speaker 5: the big defining moment. Was a lot of the guys
Speaker 5: like John and then they didn't have a problem with
Speaker 5: how I operated. It was just the small numbers that
Speaker 5: were making such a loud noise. It kind of felt
Speaker 5: like everyone was against me when it wasn't that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I feel like it was really this Aaron
Speaker 3: versus Devin situation with a little bit of noise from
Speaker 3: a few other people. And then once Aaron left, thomas
Speaker 3: En and Sam why.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say Thomas. I mean, thomas En kind
Speaker 1: of just seemed in Krabata almost like he was mimicking
Speaker 1: just whatever Sam was saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I don't know, but I mean we did
Speaker 3: see that big moment Thomas ed Paul at you from Jen.
Speaker 3: I feel like that was the next kind of one
Speaker 3: v one conflict that you had. What was that moment?
Speaker 3: Like walk us through that actually take us back to
Speaker 3: the conversation. Did you agree to let these eight guys
Speaker 3: who didn't get time with Jen on the group date
Speaker 3: all line up and go first and talk to Jen?
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I don't know where that came from for me.
Speaker 5: I remember everybody coming back from the Safari date. They
Speaker 5: were very frustrated, you know. I got that, you know,
Speaker 5: and I'm talking to them, I'm and I'm consoling them
Speaker 5: about how to feel and whatnot. But you know, for
Speaker 5: them to assume that I said I wouldn't go first
Speaker 5: as completely asinine first of all, and second of all,
Speaker 5: in my mind, I'm, like you guys have said it,
Speaker 5: like I'm dealing with a lot right now, you know,
Speaker 5: from all different sides, in all different angles, so as twisted,
Speaker 5: and people will say that I'm this is not true.
Speaker 5: But in my mind, what I thought was the valiant
Speaker 5: effort was to go first, so that I wasn't going
Speaker 5: to bother anybody, because anything that I did at that
Speaker 5: point was going to be perceived as wrong or I
Speaker 5: was doing something against the grain of what the other
Speaker 5: guys were thinking.
Speaker 2: And I think that was that group collective thought. And
Speaker 2: Brian even said it.
Speaker 5: You know, when I was having that conversation with Jen,
Speaker 5: that maybe I was just doing that so I didn't
Speaker 5: interrupt anybody, you know, And that's that's how I felt
Speaker 5: in that moment, was like, Hey, I'm gonna be the
Speaker 5: bad guy no matter what. This is like the path
Speaker 5: of least resistance for me. Let's just get it over with.
Speaker 5: And again, had Thomas had come and said, hey, buddy,
Speaker 5: your time is up, you know, I was ready to
Speaker 5: throw in the white flag, you know, I was.
Speaker 2: I would have gotten up no problems, you know.
Speaker 5: But then obviously that didn't happen, So, Yeah, was there
Speaker 5: a part of you that was like, if I don't
Speaker 5: go first, I'm gonna have to interrupt her with one
Speaker 5: of these guys.
Speaker 3: And I would much rather just pull her than have
Speaker 3: to have this conflict like I did with Aaron, where
Speaker 3: I'm like interrupting her time.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, and that was that was my.
Speaker 5: Battle in my head, was like, Okay, do I do
Speaker 5: I look like I'm taking initiative and kind of being
Speaker 5: like Devin again doing a devon moment by going first?
Speaker 5: Or am I being you know, a quote unquote bully
Speaker 5: by interrupting somebody during their time.
Speaker 2: And I don't know who it could have been.
Speaker 5: I don't want to find out, you know that have knew,
Speaker 5: because again it was I saw how that happened with
Speaker 5: Aaron already.
Speaker 2: I already felt that like shame when I was.
Speaker 5: Talking with Jen after the fact too that I even
Speaker 5: had to do that.
Speaker 2: So I wasn't gonna do that again.
Speaker 5: So that was my good guy moment, I guess, and
Speaker 5: it clearly didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, back, what.
Speaker 3: Did you think of Thomas n pulling you into the
Speaker 3: hallway and you guys kind of going at it?
Speaker 2: Absolutely ridiculous?
Speaker 1: It's pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 2: It was ridiculous.
Speaker 5: I mean, like I can sit here and say the watch,
Speaker 5: I feel for the guy, but I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't feel for the guy in that moment.
Speaker 5: I get his frustrations, and I'll say this, I think Thomas,
Speaker 5: I feel like he's pushing himself down this path that
Speaker 5: like he doesn't really see where it's gonna end up.
Speaker 5: But I know it's disastrous form if he keeps going.
Speaker 5: So for me, I feel that in my mind. I
Speaker 5: feel that empathy for him. But the way that he
Speaker 5: handled it, I'm like, dude, this is the gotta be
Speaker 5: one of the all time dumbest things I've ever seen
Speaker 5: in my life.
Speaker 2: I mean it had to have been. And you know,
Speaker 2: it took even me to say, like, hey.
Speaker 5: Jen, do you mind if I like get up and
Speaker 5: argue with this guy for a second, Like do you mind?
Speaker 2: And and he didn't even say hi to her, He didn't.
Speaker 5: Exactly what you saw is exactly how it happened, like
Speaker 5: grabs my arm, takes me around the corner, and then fire.
Speaker 2: Ensuits like it was. It was insane, completely.
Speaker 1: As move yees see. I didn't get that because we
Speaker 1: interviewed him he was our first interview of Your Guys season,
Speaker 1: and I just didn't really get just like a side
Speaker 1: that wants to like be involved in drama or anything
Speaker 1: like that. He was super nice in the podcast, So yeah,
Speaker 1: watching it, I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 4: Like it feels like he got carried away.
Speaker 3: But when you're having a conversation, is in the back
Speaker 3: of your mind that you're like Jen is literally right there,
Speaker 3: like she is in the hall, Like she's right in
Speaker 3: this room next to us.
Speaker 4: There's no door, oh yeah, just a doorframe.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And for me, I think the biggest thing
Speaker 2: was like I like to talk.
Speaker 5: I don't know if anybody's got that already figured out,
Speaker 5: but and I also know how to carry a conversation
Speaker 5: and flow a conversation. So in my mind, not only
Speaker 5: do I know that he's making an egregious like mistake
Speaker 5: for himself and with Jen, but I'm gonna help him
Speaker 5: flow that completely wrong and let him completely make a
Speaker 5: fool of himself.
Speaker 2: And so I'm so.
Speaker 5: I'm like, at one point I'm trying to like cut
Speaker 5: the argument off, but at another point in my mind,
Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, if you're gonna say all of
Speaker 5: these things, right here, right now.
Speaker 2: Then, I'm really gonna highlight how dumb you sound in
Speaker 2: this in this setting.
Speaker 5: So I was very very surprised that he didn't like
Speaker 5: take precaution to what Jen was saying. I'm surprised he
Speaker 5: didn't like ask me to go, you know, outside or
Speaker 5: something like that.
Speaker 2: That was a shock factor for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think was going through his head?
Speaker 3: Like how do you think in thomas EN's mind he
Speaker 3: saw this looking and playing out?
Speaker 5: I mean there's only one way, right, there's only one
Speaker 5: way that he can possibly look good in this moment,
Speaker 5: and that's if and is like, you're right, Thomas, like
Speaker 5: all of these things that I don't know what is happening,
Speaker 5: I'm validating you for and I'm gonna agree with you.
Speaker 5: And Devin, You're gone get out right now. I can't
Speaker 5: believe that you're even still here. You're disgusting, Like that's
Speaker 5: the only way that it could have worked, And that's
Speaker 5: what are the chances of that happening?
Speaker 2: Zero?
Speaker 5: You know they're not not for my own sake, But
Speaker 5: just like, there's no way you can spend that argument
Speaker 5: the way that you did, especially how confrontational he was
Speaker 5: into a good light. There's no way that you can
Speaker 5: get that.
Speaker 1: He just he just flew off the handle and just
Speaker 1: didn't think about it. All right, So then let's get
Speaker 1: into samm the Samma of all things favorite, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: like is it is it?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Do you guys really hate each other?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What is what's the situation?
Speaker 2: I don't hate anybody on the on the show. I
Speaker 2: don't hate a single person.
Speaker 5: I've been very atant that I don't hate anyone and
Speaker 5: I and I still don't hate a very strong word.
Speaker 5: It's like, at what point am I going to keep
Speaker 5: trying to pour effort into something I know I'm not
Speaker 5: going to get the results out of? You know, I
Speaker 5: I know that Sam's not gonna like me for whatever reason,
Speaker 5: and and and at this point, he hasn't even discussed
Speaker 5: these things with me.
Speaker 2: I don't even know why he doesn't like me.
Speaker 5: I have no inclination of this other than maybe that
Speaker 5: I pissed off a couple of his buddies like Aaron
Speaker 5: and Thomas.
Speaker 2: You know, I have no reasoning as to why he
Speaker 2: thinks the way he thinks of me. We do not
Speaker 2: like he.
Speaker 1: Should seem like, yeah, cause it seemed like the only
Speaker 1: conversation between you, twoe was I don't respect you. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't respect you, And that's kind of what it's like.
Speaker 1: Why there was never there was he did? He was
Speaker 1: there ever a reason like why I don't respect you?
Speaker 5: I think that he maybe thought that I could have,
Speaker 5: you know, been two faced or somehow, you know, based
Speaker 5: on the way that I've been acting.
Speaker 2: And there's no way that this is who he really is.
Speaker 2: There's got to be somebody different.
Speaker 5: But I think that I think that in my mind,
Speaker 5: the reason that Sam doesn't like me is because he's
Speaker 5: he's probably met someone like me in his life in
Speaker 5: real life that he doesn't like, and he's associating me
Speaker 5: with that person, and no matter what I say or do,
Speaker 5: it's always going to have that effect on him. I know,
Speaker 5: I'm not necessarily like the easiest guy at all times,
Speaker 5: but I'm not like a disrespectful person or anything like that.
Speaker 5: I'll make somebody laugh, you know, I'm very embracing. I'm
Speaker 5: very comforting when it comes to people. So for me,
Speaker 5: I didn't know, but in my mind, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 5: this isn't going to change. So if it's not going
Speaker 5: to change, I might as well have a little fun
Speaker 5: with it, you know.
Speaker 3: I think you can be onto something of the like
Speaker 3: he's met someone like me, and like he's associating that.
Speaker 3: Do you think there was any element of competition with
Speaker 3: the two of you that he felt in this I
Speaker 3: think it's pretty obvious at this point in the season,
Speaker 3: but also quite early on, like Sam m gets that
Speaker 3: first impression Rose, you're pulling Jen, you're getting early on
Speaker 3: Roses as well. Do you think he looks at you
Speaker 3: potentially as a direct threat as maybe, you know, his
Speaker 3: main competitor in this fight for Jen's heart.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think the difference with Sam and
Speaker 5: I is that were so polar in how we operate
Speaker 5: in life. You know, Sam, Sam's good looking guy. There's
Speaker 5: I won't say very many nice things about him, but
Speaker 5: that's one thing I'll say.
Speaker 2: You know, he's a good looking guy.
Speaker 5: And I think that he's kind of had it easy
Speaker 5: and maybe the women department a little bit, not saying
Speaker 5: that I've had such a hard time, but me and
Speaker 5: me and him we do things completely differently in life,
Speaker 5: and I think he doesn't understanding that I can achieve
Speaker 5: the same things that he's necessarily achieved by being getting
Speaker 5: all this attention, being validated by this woman that you like,
Speaker 5: you know, having these experiences with her and her enjoying it.
Speaker 5: I think that it's frustrating him that he almost sees
Speaker 5: himself as better than me. Why is this guy, you know,
Speaker 5: on the same level in Gen's eyes or maybe a
Speaker 5: little bit low. I don't know where the rankings are
Speaker 5: at this point, but you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 5: he's just.
Speaker 1: Well you think that you think that's true? Do you
Speaker 1: think he looked looked down on you? Like I'm better
Speaker 1: than this guy? Why? Why does Jenn even like him?
Speaker 2: How about this?
Speaker 5: I'll say this, I'll say in my mind, I think
Speaker 5: he thinks he thinks he's better than me, but he
Speaker 5: doesn't know why. It's not translating into real life.
Speaker 3: The first time we see you guys kind of go
Speaker 3: head to head, because you know, we've seen you with Aaron,
Speaker 3: we've seen you with Thomas, but sam M is kind
Speaker 3: of always mixed up in it. But the first time
Speaker 3: we really see you guys go at it is over
Speaker 3: the sam N drama which sam M and sam N
Speaker 3: has just been really confusing for us this season. But
Speaker 3: sam N, for those of you listening, was the love virgin.
Speaker 3: He confesses his feelings on that down under group date.
Speaker 3: We see Sam m and Thomas have a reaction to
Speaker 3: that that is not supportive. There's a lot of laughing
Speaker 3: and a lot of teasing going on, and we see
Speaker 3: you stand up for Sam and what motivated you to
Speaker 3: speak up in defense of Sam hatton.
Speaker 2: A couple of things.
Speaker 5: One I I had been I had been the brunt
Speaker 5: of their ship for so long, you know, So it
Speaker 5: was just like that fume to a point where I
Speaker 5: was tired of hearing about it, especially like you said, like,
Speaker 5: they don't they don't confront people directly. Me if I've
Speaker 5: ever had a problem with somebody, I'll walk right up
Speaker 5: to your face and I'll say, hey, like I do
Speaker 5: we have a problem.
Speaker 2: What's our problem? If so, are we gonna fix it?
Speaker 2: If not, then we need to go our separate ways.
Speaker 5: Them they they like to, you know, whisper a little
Speaker 5: bit and kind of let that problem fester. So that
Speaker 5: was a boiling point for me. I'm the oldest brother
Speaker 5: in my family. I have a younger brother who's very
Speaker 5: like shy Uh didn't have a much harder life than
Speaker 5: me growing up, So I protected that little dude all
Speaker 5: the time. He's my best friend. He's one of the
Speaker 5: people that I look up through the most. And even
Speaker 5: though he's my younger brother, and I saw a little
Speaker 5: bit of similar characteristics. Not like saying Samn is my
Speaker 5: brother by any means, but you know, Sam just went
Speaker 5: through the ringer already, you know, with Jen, without anyone
Speaker 5: else needing to make him feel about the situation. You know,
Speaker 5: he's imagine what's going through his head in that time,
Speaker 5: not at the night portion, just wall, you know, think
Speaker 5: about it like he's he's he just said he loves
Speaker 5: you after seeing my ass on TV or on right
Speaker 5: before him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And you know he doesn't know how to feel.
Speaker 5: He's got a ride home thinking about that, then get
Speaker 5: ready for the Imagine how long that shower was, you know,
Speaker 5: probably the longest shower ever. And so for me, it
Speaker 5: was like, why kick a Why kick a man when
Speaker 5: he's already down? You know, if you're gonna if you're
Speaker 5: gonna whisper a whisper, nobody can control that.
Speaker 2: I can't stop you guys from talking wherever you guys talk.
Speaker 5: But when he's trying to have this moment where he
Speaker 5: needs us, you know, he needed us in that. Hey,
Speaker 5: I'm sorry that this kind of came off this way.
Speaker 5: And I don't even think he was doing it for us.
Speaker 5: I think he was doing it for himself, you know,
Speaker 5: to validate himself and to get shot down like that
Speaker 5: right in his face, you know, just laughing at him.
Speaker 2: I was like, fuck this too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree that that was a little Uh,
Speaker 1: that was rough. That was rough to watch the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And then then sam End's exit wasn't wasn't wasn't great?
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. That was not great between you and Sam?
Speaker 1: M was there was there ever any like nice moments
Speaker 1: of like hey, like we just both got to drink
Speaker 1: at the bar like chairs kind of like did you
Speaker 1: guys ever? Or is it just like crazy? Well, there's
Speaker 1: a part of me that's watching it, right, and I
Speaker 1: get like this feud between you guys, well, I guess
Speaker 1: there's a part of that's watching it, like maybe they
Speaker 1: both like chill out and like could kind of like
Speaker 1: make amends and and almost become friends.
Speaker 5: But no, okay, no, I am in my mind and
Speaker 5: in Sam's mind, I am the embodiment of everything that
Speaker 5: he has disagreed with his like entire life, you know, so,
Speaker 5: and but but.
Speaker 2: Also not just that. I mean, I'm friends with a
Speaker 2: lot of the guys in the house.
Speaker 5: Even at this point, you know, Sam and Thomas would
Speaker 5: isolate themselves willingly from the group and just like do
Speaker 5: their thing, and and so you know they're not They're
Speaker 5: not making it any easier for us already in this
Speaker 5: uncomfortable environment. Everyone else is like getting secondhand embarrassment or
Speaker 5: not uncomfortability, I guess the better word, you know. So
Speaker 5: it's like I'm at least trying to is what does
Speaker 5: he say? Keep the main thing, the main thing? So
Speaker 5: I'm trying, you know, I'm trying at least, and they're not,
Speaker 5: you know, So that I think is the big discrepancy
Speaker 5: between you know, Sam and I.
Speaker 3: What was your reaction seeing all of Sam EM's interviews,
Speaker 3: because there was a few episodes where he had a
Speaker 3: lot of things to say about you in his interviews,
Speaker 3: which I'm sure you know, maybe I don't know if
Speaker 3: you were sp because I know he was saying a
Speaker 3: lot to your face as well.
Speaker 4: But what was your reaction?
Speaker 2: Oh, oh, it was very telling in my mind, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he would say, like I don't respect you, or
Speaker 5: you know, I don't like you to my face, I
Speaker 5: get that, but to like call me a bitch and
Speaker 5: stuff like that behind the cameras, Like, it's very telling. Again,
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not talking about these guys the way
Speaker 5: that they're talking about me. If I if I make
Speaker 5: a joke about them or about Sam in particular, it's
Speaker 5: usually about like I just did like to keep the
Speaker 5: main thing the main thing. It's one of those things like,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm never like taking shots. So for me
Speaker 5: to see that, and I mean, I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 5: and say I was shocked. I knew the guy didn't
Speaker 5: like me. It's just kind of funny to watch back
Speaker 5: when you say someone doesn't bother you and you're not
Speaker 5: gonna let someone bother you, and then you proceed to
Speaker 5: let them bother you so much and talk about it
Speaker 5: so much. It's very telling about what you are, you know.
Speaker 5: So I took no offense to it was like a.
Speaker 1: Whatever, I guess. Okay, let's let's move past all the
Speaker 1: all the guy drama. You have a one on one
Speaker 1: date in New Zealand with Jen. Let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about that and where you felt your relationship was
Speaker 1: after that date.
Speaker 4: How did you feel about the activity of your one
Speaker 4: on one date.
Speaker 2: I thought, I mean to be honest, I thought I
Speaker 2: was right up my alley.
Speaker 5: You know. It was, uh it was a break from
Speaker 5: all the chaos in my mind. You know, it was
Speaker 5: something that I needed. And when I went there and
Speaker 5: experienced this amazing culture from the Mounting people with Jen,
Speaker 5: you know, it was such a uh refreshing moment for
Speaker 5: me because again I'm I'm stressed out. I mean, I'd
Speaker 5: be lying to you if I said I wasn't stressed
Speaker 5: out with all the stuff that was going on. So
Speaker 5: to have just this cutaway moment with Jen was was fantastic.
Speaker 2: And she was very very open and reciproc.
Speaker 1: How do you say that receptive?
Speaker 2: Receptive? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the reception.
Speaker 5: Was very open and receptive to how vulnerable I was
Speaker 5: getting in and and I it wasn't easy for me.
Speaker 5: I didn't really know kind of what the date was
Speaker 5: going to track to look like. You know, we did
Speaker 5: a lot of things. So to be able to talk
Speaker 5: about my life experiences and my family just helped me
Speaker 5: bond closer to her because I feel like we've had
Speaker 5: a lot of those small discussions and I want to
Speaker 5: get to the real ones, and that helped preface a
Speaker 5: lot of you know, the conversation that her and I
Speaker 5: had later on that night.
Speaker 2: So it was it was a fantastic day for us.
Speaker 5: It was a beautiful day. I said, I always like
Speaker 5: to joke I left I left the villain of me
Speaker 5: in that temple in in New Zealand, because when I
Speaker 5: walked out of that place, man, I felt like a
Speaker 5: new man with him.
Speaker 2: So it was it was great. It was great to feel.
Speaker 1: It does kind of actually that actually make sense. It
Speaker 1: does kind of seem like that as if you were
Speaker 1: it seems like that, do you now, Like, where are
Speaker 1: you with your feelings towards Jen after the state?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so so the daytime, obviously, I you know, I
Speaker 5: let her know.
Speaker 2: You know, I like her. I like her a lot.
Speaker 5: At that point, I had been feeling a certain type
Speaker 5: of way about her. I think the week leading up
Speaker 5: to that, especially with how she validated me with the
Speaker 5: group date rose.
Speaker 2: You know, she was so warm and open to me.
Speaker 5: Then you know, there were a lot of things that
Speaker 5: she had been doing for me without even realizing that
Speaker 5: made me feel strongly about her, so so going into
Speaker 5: the night portion of our date was monumental for me
Speaker 5: in my mind because it was it was the I
Speaker 5: can finally play like play like. My next piece that
Speaker 5: I really really wanted to get across from her was
Speaker 5: this is why I am the way I am. You know,
Speaker 5: It's not just some facade that I'm putting on, and
Speaker 5: and it's not some cloak or a tough guy act like,
Speaker 5: this is why I am the way I am and
Speaker 5: and all of the things that associate with that, and
Speaker 5: for her to accept that and have we had so
Speaker 5: many bonding moments during that conversation, you know, similar upbringings,
Speaker 5: similar family style, like not having it easy, you know.
Speaker 5: That was that was all the reassurance I needed to
Speaker 5: to let her know that I was falling for them.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was gonna say so never watching the
Speaker 1: show and it's it's you know, obviously not a normal situation.
Speaker 1: Can have you like looked within yourself? Can do you
Speaker 1: think you could fall in love in a situation like this?
Speaker 4: Are you surprised? By half asked?
Speaker 2: I was very surprised. I was. I was very very surprised.
Speaker 5: Again, I I didn't come into the show fully knowledgeable
Speaker 5: of how it worked. And one thing that I will
Speaker 5: will come in the show on doing is is putting
Speaker 5: you in that moment where you really have to reflect
Speaker 5: on what you want in life.
Speaker 2: You know, you all of the all of the filler.
Speaker 5: Conversations go away, right, you have to you really have
Speaker 5: to cut down to the meat and potatoes of who
Speaker 5: you are in your essence. And and it really helped
Speaker 5: me open those walls for her to see who I was,
Speaker 5: and it was it was great.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's one hundred percent possible.
Speaker 1: All right, So now let's let's cut to this episode,
Speaker 1: the episode that's currently aired, and we see Jens X
Speaker 1: come back, Matt, and you're one of none of the
Speaker 1: guys are happy. You're one of the guys like if
Speaker 1: he stays, I think I'm out. Would you? Was that
Speaker 1: was that real? Is that really how you felt?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And that was that was a moment that I
Speaker 2: don't think.
Speaker 5: I think that was in one of the moments where
Speaker 5: I didn't really I like to say, I think through
Speaker 5: a lot of the things that I'm gonna say versus
Speaker 5: just spewing them out, that was really just pure emotion
Speaker 5: for me, Like I I've done.
Speaker 2: I've played X games before.
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's been a theme in my life
Speaker 5: in the past, and for me and and my mind
Speaker 5: to have the strength to turn all that away, I've
Speaker 5: I've turned a new chapter in my life and I'm
Speaker 5: putting it all out there for this woman that I
Speaker 5: want to see where go. And we just had an
Speaker 5: amazing one on one day. So it was personal for me,
Speaker 5: you know, those feelings were personal. I had just told
Speaker 5: her I was falling for her all of these new, developing,
Speaker 5: budding emotions that I'm you know, experiencing, and then the
Speaker 5: hammer drops. You know, some guy that dated her in
Speaker 5: the past could just take her away, and that could
Speaker 5: be that because I know how I know how easy
Speaker 5: it is to fall into that feeling of comfortability with
Speaker 5: like an ex partner in X.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you think of Matt coming in and
Speaker 3: telling you, guys, hey, I'm not saying I'm leaving. What
Speaker 3: was your like, how did you feel hearing that he
Speaker 3: wasn't going to be joining the journey? And what was
Speaker 3: also your opinion on the guy's response to what he
Speaker 3: was saying.
Speaker 5: So for me, I was very happy that he wasn't
Speaker 5: saying you know, I mean, I don't want to deal
Speaker 5: with that that again.
Speaker 1: You and sam am at least bond over. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say we bought it.
Speaker 2: There was a very budding moment where him and I, like,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: We found an comed Yeah, I think we had a
Speaker 5: conversation where I was like, I may hate you, you
Speaker 5: may hate me, but we both hate.
Speaker 2: This guy way more. So, Like, you know, that was
Speaker 2: like probably the one you know it was.
Speaker 5: It was it was insane to think about, you know,
Speaker 5: because I can only put myself in my shoes, right,
Speaker 5: but if I can think about what all the other
Speaker 5: guys are feeling, I don't know how far along any
Speaker 5: of these guys are in their relationships either, So you know,
Speaker 5: I can only imagine what the collective feeling is to this,
Speaker 5: you know, stranger walking in and saying, Hey, this, this
Speaker 5: girl meant so much to me in the past, and
Speaker 5: I'm gonna try and make her mean so much more
Speaker 5: to me again.
Speaker 2: That that's a very you know, drive a stake in things.
Speaker 5: So it was a very refreshing feeling to know that
Speaker 5: he was leaving, But not just because he was leaving,
Speaker 5: but because Jen.
Speaker 2: It's like you watch her grow like, I watched her
Speaker 2: grow in that moment.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we've really seen grow a lot through the season,
Speaker 3: especially in this episode.
Speaker 5: Yes, and I know where I've faltered in the past,
Speaker 5: where I've made that mistake of going back to an
Speaker 5: ex partner before and not having the strength to know
Speaker 5: that something else is better for me in my future,
Speaker 5: And to watch her kind of do that where I
Speaker 5: have failed in my life made me that much more
Speaker 5: attached to her because I was like, Wow, you've just
Speaker 5: like everything that I've tried to do in the past
Speaker 5: that I had to work so hard to get to do,
Speaker 5: or like to get to be able to be at
Speaker 5: in a place in my mind, you just did it
Speaker 5: right there.
Speaker 2: And that was amazing to see that she chose, you know.
Speaker 5: The uncomfortable moment versus just the safe and reliable what
Speaker 5: I know in the past moment. You know, it was
Speaker 5: I know something better is out there, and I want
Speaker 5: to see where that goes.
Speaker 1: I wanted him to stay. I like, rented man, all right,
Speaker 1: can you We're gonna play a quick game before you leave,
Speaker 1: but before we get into that, if you could, if
Speaker 1: you could tease the rest of the season without spoiling it.
Speaker 1: What would you.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of Oh man, there's a lot of
Speaker 5: twists and turns coming up, a lot more drama, as
Speaker 5: if you haven't seen enough already, some crazy, some crazy,
Speaker 5: crazy experiences.
Speaker 2: And yeah, hold on to your seatbelts.
Speaker 4: Boys, that's wild because the top half of your eyes.
Speaker 3: This season has been so nuts with so much drama,
Speaker 3: and then this last episode we were saying, Okay, it's
Speaker 3: really died down. I feel like we're we're slowing down
Speaker 3: on the drama front. So to hear that there's still
Speaker 3: a lot more twists and turns to come is interesting.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's gonna be an incredible season for sure.
Speaker 1: Nice. All right, we're gonna play rapid fire. Get to
Speaker 1: know Devin. First thing that comes to your head? You ready, ready?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Who is your first concert?
Speaker 2: Drake?
Speaker 1: Go to comfort? Movie or TV show? Uh?
Speaker 2: Go to comfort a TV show? Oh crap, this is rapid.
Speaker 1: Fire, right, this is rapid Give us if you want.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. How to lose guy?
Speaker 1: Today's okay? What is your signature cocktail?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Dirty dirty Martini vodka?
Speaker 1: How do you feel about the word ferocious love?
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to define ferocious what it means?
Speaker 4: Thank you?
Speaker 1: Can you define it? Because I defined what I thought it?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 1: Can you define what you think it means? Real quick?
Speaker 2: I think I.
Speaker 5: Think ferocious in my mind means leaving everything out there,
Speaker 5: but putting your best intent with it. Just because it's
Speaker 5: it's a different approach doesn't make it wrong, all right?
Speaker 1: Favorite favorite group date activity so far?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: The comedy Rouss was fun.
Speaker 1: Dream vacation destination.
Speaker 2: Italy.
Speaker 1: Favorite food or cuisine chicken Pormejean killer something. Uh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: something on your bucket list?
Speaker 5: Skydive, but I don't know if I want to do
Speaker 5: it anymore after seeing all these people jump out of planes.
Speaker 1: Don't do it? Error air, early bird or night owl.
Speaker 2: I'm an early bird.
Speaker 1: Go to pizza order?
Speaker 5: Uh, it's the Oh, it's the hot and honey. It's
Speaker 5: like it's like the hot honey sauce with the ham
Speaker 5: and the Pepperoni's on top.
Speaker 2: So good.
Speaker 1: What's the first thing you do if you won the lottery?
Speaker 2: Change my phone number?
Speaker 1: What is one thing we don't know about you but
Speaker 1: we should?
Speaker 4: Those ones are always hard?
Speaker 2: M h. I look better with the beard.
Speaker 1: If you could sum up this season on the Bachelorette.
Speaker 1: Just using one word, what would that word be?
Speaker 2: Intense?
Speaker 1: Devin, that is an episode your first podcast. You did great.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2: No, I appreciate it. Joe, Thank you guys, and.
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Speaker 5: Bye,