WEBVTT - Devin Discusses the Main Thing 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:04.840 Hey, everyone, Welcome back to Bechler Happy Hour. I am 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:08.160 Joe and I am Serena, and today we are here 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:12.040 with Devin in my opinion, right now as I'm watching 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:17.280 one of Jen's front runners, Devin, Welcome to Bachler Happy Hour. 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:17.759 How are you? 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.320 I'm doing fantastic that you guys are having me. Honestly, 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:21.120 it feels great. 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.239 Yeah, been a wanting you for a minute because you've been, 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.600 as we have been saying, a controversial character this season. 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:32.640 You've had some You've had a wide variety of moments, let's. 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:33.520 Get it that way. 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:36.519 So I feel like this is a great time to 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:38.560 talk to you to kind of just get into everything 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:40.839 that we've seen and maybe some of the stuff that 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:42.840 you didn't see while you were filming, but you've now 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.160 watched back and your opinion on all of that as well, 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.320 because it's been a lot said in interviews too. 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:48.960 Well, we're going to get into everything. We're gonna to 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:53.479 get into Sam m the ice cream, you're connection with Jim. 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.720 We'll get into all that before we do. How did 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:58.800 you get on the Bachelorette? 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:05.200 So funny story. My my best friend's wife, Alexis, she 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.280 actually works for me. I hired her a little over 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:09.680 a year ago, and she said that her first or 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.800 of business since I was a newly single man looking 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.200 for love, was to give me on her favorite TV 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.840 show of all time that she's been watching since she 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:20.240 was a kid, and that was The Bachelorette. So I 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:23.520 actually got a call, thought it was spam, got a 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:24.920 couple more, didn't answer it. 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:27.319 They ended up calling and reaching out to Alexis. 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.119 She reached out to me, said, hey, you should probably 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:35.280 call these guys back. They seem like they're actually real people. 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:37.440 And I get a lot of spam calls with my company. 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:42.280 Yeah, so the same thing I had three Bess calls. 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.520 I was like, these freaking telemarketers just won't leave me alone. 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.560 Yeah. Yeah, and I think, I think when I look 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:50.680 back on it, I had like a missed voicemail like 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:54.040 from someone saying, hey, I promise, like I'm a real person, 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.920 this is legit, Like, give me a call back if 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.960 you're interested. And I did, and sure enough, I want 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.600 end up on one of the favor my favorite shows 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:03.120 of all time. 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:08.320 Now found favorite show. I answered, I see the California 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.840 number coming right away. I'm like, about time Hollywood's calling me. 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.280 I answered immediately, I answered on the first ring. 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.280 I was like, I don't know anyone in al A, Like, 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:21.480 who would be calling me from California? 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:22.240 Yeah? 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.040 Exactly, And and like I said, I get a lot 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.120 of spam calls to my cell phone from work. So 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:30.400 I had just figured it was a telemarketers insurance trying 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.320 to sell me something with commercial. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.600 Insurance or whatever. So I had no paid no mind 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:34.840 to it. 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.280 What do you you said, you have your own Do 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:38.680 you have your own business? What do you do? 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:39.119 Yeah? 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.680 So I I call it a consultant firm. It's a 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:46.399 transportation brokerage. Basically, we're the middlemen between corporate America shippers 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.760 and industrial manufacturers. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.240 That yeah, yeah, nice, Good for you. 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.560 It's hectic. I learned to talk a lot in that 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:55.000 in this industry, I'll tell you what. 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.120 Yeah, yeah, you got to you gotta sell people over 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:01.640 the phone, right yeah yeah? Okay. So you you know, 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:05.679 night one, you step out of the limo, your first 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:09.040 conversation with Jen, how are you feeling? Are there sparks there? 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:10.000 Do you feel a connection? 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.839 You know, I'll preface it like this. I had never 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.400 seen the show before, so I had relatively little knowledge 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.640 of what I was even supposed to be doing there obviously, 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.640 other than getting to know this person, I'm seeing Jen 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:25.399 for the first time. 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.359 I think she looks stunning. I mean, she looks magnificent. 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.000 And did you know did you know she was gonna 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:32.320 be the bachelorette before you went on? 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.320 No, I didn't even know any of the contestants. I 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:36.160 saw her. 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:41.880 Premiere when they announced it, and that was the first 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.560 time that I had never seen Jen ever, ever ever 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.400 heard her speak, ever say a word. And so for me, 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.720 it wasn't like I feel like, for me, it wasn't 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:54.400 about making a shopping cart list of who I could 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.720 think it could be and then going and treating the 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:58.640 situation like it was. I just wanted to go and 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.880 meet a genuine person and that could possibly like me 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.839 for who I am, and that was all that had 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:06.640 crossed my mind at that point. It was nice, it 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.000 was nice to kind of go and blind. I didn't 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.040 think there was a connection right away with Jen, especially 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:12.800 since I started talking about feet right away. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.840 Thankfully, she's a very good sport and kind of rolled 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.760 with the bunches my use a little bit. But yeah, 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.080 I was nervous. I mean, there's cameras everywhere, there's all 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:22.680 these guys. 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:27.039 So when did you feel the connection? 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:32.719 I think I think that when I took her for 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.200 ice cream, and how willing she was to have a 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.760 conversation with me away from the group right then and there, 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.360 and because of how my personality is, it kind of 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:43.719 was telling about who I was and the fact that 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.640 she enjoyed that moment with me told me that she 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.760 enjoyed how I am and who I am and and 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:51.279 a little bit of that. So that was like my 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.920 first like, okay, this girl's this girl's kind of cool, 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.080 like she's down a skip class and go get ice. 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:57.480 Cream with me, Like that's an amazing feeling. 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:02.000 So it started there and it just, you know, obviously 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:03.880 only grew over time. But I didn't I didn't know 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:05.800 right away if she was into me. I didn't know 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.320 night one if I was gonna be there, you know, 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:09.880 coming the next week. 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.680 But you know, again, for me, it was all about 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:14.000 the experience. 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:18.240 So she she compared you to Pete Davidson in episode one. 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.080 I think we've seen people online saying it too. Is 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:21.640 that a comparison you've gotten before? 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.720 So yes, I actually get that way more than I'm 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:32.640 proud of I think, I know. But for me, like 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.080 I always had this idea of Pete Davidson, like in 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:39.160 my mind that he was just this person that they're 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.320 not ugly, but just you know, he's not on the 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.359 better looking side of people in the world, and so 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.600 and so for me, like when people would tell me that, 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:53.520 and it's happened a lot more, I think in the 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.800 last like three years, I get it quite frequently. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.240 But for me, it's it. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:01.680 I'm like, as long as I don't look like him, 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.159 that's great. As long as I remind you of Pete Davidson, 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.760 that's fantastic. I do a lot of the same. You know, 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.039 I'm very vocal. I guess I moved my head all 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.599 out when I talk or whatever. But reminding him is 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:13.880 much better than looking like him. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.719 I actually don't really think you look like him, thank you. 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:17.839 No. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.440 I think it's like the energy and the mannerisms and 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.039 kind of the way you talk more so than I appreciate. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.320 That means a lot. He could never grow a mustache. 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:31.520 Like this, never ever, so so you so you connect 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.840 over ice cream. But then when you did pull her 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:35.359 for ice cream, that was kind of I think that 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.919 was the start of like the Devin arc of the 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:44.640 guys hate me essentially or not are upset with me? 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.120 Did you realize that was going to rub all the 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.160 guys the wrong way when you did make that move? 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.479 And no again, because because I haven't seen the show 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.480 and I don't know how any of this stuff works. 0:06:56.040 --> 0:07:00.280 My my mindset was like, Okay, we have how long 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:01.960 to talk to this girl and be with this person. 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.360 We're into like a rug store looking at rugs. Everybody's 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.760 doing their own thing at that point. You know, Jen's 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:09.120 kind of looking around like a shop early She's trying 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:10.880 to buy something for her house. So for me, in 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.280 my mind, I was like, Okay, this is a great 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.640 opportunity for me to kind of just get to know 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:18.360 this person a little bit more one on one time. 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:20.320 And so I didn't know that. 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:25.000 It was gonna affect a certain select group of people, 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.040 and for the most part, not everybody was upset. In 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.720 my mind, I think it was a playful gesture, taking 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.000 a little bit out of context for what it actually was, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.920 and that rubbed a couple of people the wrong way. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:38.800 And was. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:41.760 No, no, no, I was just gonna say, like I didn't 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.720 I didn't expect the implications of this to be what 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.640 it was, especially when you look back on it from 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.120 that original moment, like, you know, it's just ice cream. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:52.400 You know, I may have talked to her for a 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.000 few minutes and then it was back to business. Everybody 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:56.720 was you know, they didn't let me enjoy the moment, 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:57.920 that's for sure, you know what I mean. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.360 So I didn't know it was going to be like that. 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:03.240 Would you go back and do it again? 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:06.440 I think? I mean, yeah, I think that was the 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.280 right move, especially if she's walking around looking for rugs 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.120 and no one's even like really talking to her, then 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.480 it's like, yeah, it's almost a genius move exactly. 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.400 And and for me it was like, you know, and 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.960 again it's gelatto. I was corrected on this a lot. 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.000 It's gelatto on, not ice cream. But with the gelato thing, 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:27.080 it was just an opportunity for me to get some 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.480 side conversation in a little bit of stuff that you know, just. 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.319 Hey, look i'm here, i'm available, I'm a good guy. 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:34.959 Let's have some fun with it. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.640 I'm not really going to be concerned with the opinions 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:41.000 of many as long as I have the validation. 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:41.360 Of your opinion. 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.480 That's all I care about, you know, So that's that's 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.199 kind of my thought process through that whole thing. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:47.680 Yeah, And I mean, look, it was a ballsy move 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:54.400 for sure, one that paid off. But we see that 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.600 a lot of the time the female leads on these 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.120 group dates feel like they get lost. It happens at 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.000 least like once or twice a season where they're like, yeah, 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:03.720 all these guys are like growing out and I'm just 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:04.800 here by myself. 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:06.480 Oh yeah, she forgot that. 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.320 Yeah, So I think it was a good move in 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.679 the sense if she's standing by herself, she would much 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.280 rather be pulled aside and made you feel wanted by 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:19.319 someone because she started to find love. But we do 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.880 see the guys start ripping into on the second half 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.040 of that date because you have the roasts. Were you 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.320 surprised that it was kind of like the roast of 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:27.600 Devin or were you expecting that. 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:32.680 Like, I'll put it like this, It's not that I 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.840 didn't see it coming. I'm like, I'm a person that 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.560 doesn't take themselves too seriously. I say this all the time, 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:40.480 Like I told this to the guys in the house, Like, 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:42.600 my friends and I are way meaner to each other 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.240 than you. Guys have ever been to me, so like, 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.800 this doesn't bother me. I think it's it was the 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:51.360 fact of the matter that it did put such a 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.120 sustainable thought in their mind, like Devin is a problem, 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:54.880 Devin is a thing. 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:56.800 But in my mind, I'm thinking, Okay, they're just talking 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:58.880 about me. Jen's just hearing my. 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.160 Name over and over and over again, Like there's gotta 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:05.240 be something at least to talk about here. So was 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.720 it funny I left? You know, I didn't take offense 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.160 to it. I didn't take any part in like being 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.000 upset about the jokes yet. Did I think I had 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:12.360 it coming? 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:12.880 Probably? 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.480 But you know again, if you're gonna dish it, take it, 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:16.960 And I think that's what I did in that moment, 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:18.920 just kind of yeah, roll with the punches. 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.920 So Aaron, now we're friends with I never met Aaron, 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:32.240 but we're friends with Noah, Aaron's twin brother, and Noah 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:36.439 actually Noah was a contestant on the show who another 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:42.199 another guy gave Noah a book about like maturity and 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.960 the like being immature. So it's just like it was 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:48.240 funny now to see Noah's twin brother give you a 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:55.319 book on like what is it self growth whatever. Yeah, 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:56.200 let's talk about that. 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:57.679 Yeah, walk us through the Aaron things. We see you 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.200 guys have the ice cream standoff and the and we 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.160 see him giving the book. The ironic thing is, I'm 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.599 curious that they would agree with this. I think, no, 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.240 why is more similar to Devin than he is to 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:09.640 Aaron personality wise? 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:11.199 Yeah? I do too. Yeah. 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.120 See see, I don't know. I've only only heard about 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.360 this from like after the fact, because I didn't know. 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:18.000 I heard that he had a brother on the show, 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.000 like when we were there, and so I didn't think 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:21.560 anything of it. 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:22.280 But I didn't know it. 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:26.120 Went like the rabbit hole went as deep as it did. Yeah, 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.280 for me, I think with the whole situation with Aaron 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.160 was I knew that he was the vocal one about 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.679 being upset about the ice cream situation, and I could 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.280 have saw myself empathizing with him maybe a little bit. 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:39.000 For me, I don't see the big deal. I'm like, 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:40.520 what is the big deal here? You know that we're 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:44.880 making this commotion about. But when he pulled me aside 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:46.800 to talk to me at the bar, if you remember 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.640 at the cocktail party, he doesn't like make it a 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.240 situation that talks about him saying, hey, I was uncomfortable 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:58.440 about this situation because of this. He immediately leads into, hey, 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.760 you're not a man and you're not grown enough to 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.319 be with a woman. I'm judging your character, I'm judging 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:05.920 your depth. I don't think she wants to be with 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.400 a boy. And I'm like, we don't even know each other, Like, 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.280 we don't even know each other yet. So I think that, 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.920 you know, any inclination that I had to hear him 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:15.680 out in that moment kind of went out the window. 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:15.960 You know. 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.600 I'm like, Okay, we're gonna just make bold assumptions like that. 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.240 Then I can't help you here, buddy. You know I'm 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:23.840 I'm not the guy that you're gonna rile up, that's 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.640 for sure. Do I think I was a little petty 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.520 with him with the ice cream afterwards, Yes, of course, 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:31.240 But that's who I am a little bit. You know, 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.160 if I'm gonna get under your skin and and I'm 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.240 gonna see how people act when they're under pressure, because 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.080 I think that shows a lot of who you are 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.560 is is you know, not ideal environments. 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:43.040 How are you gonna operate? You know, how you're you 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:43.880 gonna operate. 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:49.120 Tell us about the book situation, like, I. 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:50.640 Mean, it's the same, It was the same. 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.320 Had I known it was like something that had happened 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.840 in his lineage before, I would have made probably a 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:58.199 little bit more of a joke. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:12:59.800 Out of it. For me, I just thought it was 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:00.680 very condescending. 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.439 Again, as much fun as I'll poke at you, I'll 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:10.439 never like make assumptions about who you are or what 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.040 your values are and what you believe in and the 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:14.960 things that you deserve in life and things that you 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.480 don't deserve in life. So for me, what the biggest 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.920 thing was was he was trying to like sun me 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.480 in that moment and try to bestow this wisdom on 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:27.760 me that he clearly didn't have himself about maturity in 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.800 the stage where if it's if it's bothering you so much, 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:31.680 let's have a real conversation, let's talk about it, let's 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.280 get over it. He wanted to like get back at 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.040 me in that in that setting, and I'm sitting there like, Okay, 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.440 we're we're having this discussion again about depth, We're having 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.720 this discussion again about character. And then you just follow 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:45.319 up and you call me Dylan, which could have been 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:47.680 a joke on his part, but even in the moment, like, 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:51.240 if it's a joke, then you must realize how silly 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.320 you're sounding right now for making this an argument. If 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.280 it's gonna be, you know, something you make fun of 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.080 my name for so, I don't know, man it was. 0:13:58.120 --> 0:13:59.880 Do you think you guys do you think you guys 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:02.520 have if you ran into him now? Do you think 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.640 you guys are could hash it out? Would be fine? 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:10.719 I think I think Aaron. I think Aaron's probably more 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:17.480 of a salvageable case than Samka for sure, just because like, uh, 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.960 Aaron just didn't seem like, I don't know, he just 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.000 didn't seem like he had too big of an issue. 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.800 It's like the collective group that he associated with once 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.680 he told him about it made such a big to do. 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:32.640 I think that he kind of felt the need to 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:34.000 like be that voice or reason. 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:38.000 All right, So who who is? Who is this collective group? 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.360 Uh so at that time, it's like, what it's Sam 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:47.200 and Thomas Thomas n I guess you can say Spencer 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:51.760 maybe a little bit at that time, and then obviously Aaron, 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.400 and then you got like Thomas a who's there? 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.400 But that that that group right there, you know, but 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.560 it was really mainly just those three Thomas, Sam and Aaron. 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.680 Who it was like every time I breathed there was 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.000 a reason to call up arms, you know. Every time 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:09.760 I moved or looked the wrong way, you know, there 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:10.640 was an issue in place. 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:14.320 So yeah, well let's get into Thomas n then because 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:18.480 Aaron leaves. Actually, wait before we jump off of Aaron, 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:23.440 how did it feel watching it back seeing kind of 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.680 the hint he gives Jen about people might not be 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:27.960 here for the right reasons, and do you feel like 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:29.640 that was about you? 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:30.120 Soulate? 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:32.760 He told me that he told me I wasn't here 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:33.600 for the right reasons. 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.160 At on the conversation at the bar, you heard he 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.400 says it like he's like, I don't think that you're 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:40.920 here for the right reasons. So in my mind, I'm like, Okay, 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.400 I know he's talking about me, like at least have 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.880 the decency to say my name or something like that. 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:47.400 You know, do you think he should have just said 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.160 it to Jen, like, hey, I don't think Devin is 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:50.080 here for the right reasons. 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.720 And at that point in time, who is everyone arguing with? 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.240 You know, I don't think it's very like hard to miss, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.400 you know, the direct focus of where that message could 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.240 have been, you know, push, But I think it was 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.760 me and I And when when she came in and 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.880 said that, I immediately thought it was me that she 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.720 was talking She was talking about, you know, so didn't you. 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:12.440 Did you guys have that kind did you? And Jen 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.320 then have that conversation of like, hey, Jenna, I think 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:16.600 Aaron was talking about me. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:22.200 I I did not have that conversation explicitly where I 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:23.000 said is Aaron? 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:24.280 Was Aaron talking about me? 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.800 I just made it more of a reassuring moment for 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.120 her than I was there for the right reasons. I 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.000 kind of just played it like I'm not even gonna 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:38.240 pay mine to this whatever is going on externally from 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.120 this guy who can't even talk to anymore, because he 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.200 didn't he didn't have the decency to say it to me. 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.080 He did, but he did it kind of backhandidly, and 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.120 then he does it to this poor girl who is, 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.680 you know, on her journey. Jenna is trying to do 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.920 her thing, and she just he throws a wrench in 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:53.880 it without any implications or any care about it. 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.240 So it was it was a frustrating experience. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:00.320 She again, I didn't say like, oh, it is Aaron 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:01.080 talking about me? 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.000 But did I feel that way? Yes? 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.560 Did I bring it up to her in that way? No, 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.359 but I made it so that she was reassured. 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:09.280 That I was. 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:13.240 Therefore, how did it feel hearing him say and what 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:14.320 would be your sponse to it? 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.800 I guess he talks a lot about how he feels 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:17.440 like you're. 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.280 More of a boy than a man, and like you 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.720 are not ready for a serious commitment or to settle down. 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:31.280 I mean, but I could be candid about it, like 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.200 it it kind of pisses me off. You know, it's 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.400 it's again, we don't know each other that well, that's 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:38.719 something that I don't would even say to you know, 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.280 some friends that I have that I've been knowing for years. 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.960 I think the biggest thing for me was who are 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.119 you to assume you are so much better than me 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.199 when we don't know each other? And and for you 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.439 to kind of put yourself in my shoes when you 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:53.520 don't know anything about me? 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.760 Again, any did you ever get an answer to that 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:02.280 question about what you basically what you just said of 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.040 like you putting it back on them, like who are you? 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.040 Like you don't know who I am, Like, well, did 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:08.040 you ever get a response? 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:09.520 They would say that. 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.199