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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome back to Bechler Happy Hour. I am

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Speaker 1: Joe and I am Serena, and today we are here

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Speaker 1: with Devin in my opinion, right now as I'm watching

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Speaker 1: one of Jen's front runners, Devin, Welcome to Bachler Happy Hour.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fantastic that you guys are having me. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: it feels great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, been a wanting you for a minute because you've been,

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Speaker 3: as we have been saying, a controversial character this season.

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Speaker 3: You've had some You've had a wide variety of moments, let's.

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Speaker 4: Get it that way.

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Speaker 3: So I feel like this is a great time to

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Speaker 3: talk to you to kind of just get into everything

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Speaker 3: that we've seen and maybe some of the stuff that

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Speaker 3: you didn't see while you were filming, but you've now

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Speaker 3: watched back and your opinion on all of that as well,

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Speaker 3: because it's been a lot said in interviews too.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're going to get into everything. We're gonna to

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Speaker 1: get into Sam m the ice cream, you're connection with Jim.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into all that before we do. How did

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Speaker 1: you get on the Bachelorette?

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Speaker 5: So funny story. My my best friend's wife, Alexis, she

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Speaker 5: actually works for me. I hired her a little over

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Speaker 5: a year ago, and she said that her first or

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Speaker 5: of business since I was a newly single man looking

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Speaker 5: for love, was to give me on her favorite TV

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Speaker 5: show of all time that she's been watching since she

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Speaker 5: was a kid, and that was The Bachelorette. So I

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Speaker 5: actually got a call, thought it was spam, got a

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Speaker 5: couple more, didn't answer it.

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Speaker 2: They ended up calling and reaching out to Alexis.

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Speaker 5: She reached out to me, said, hey, you should probably

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Speaker 5: call these guys back. They seem like they're actually real people.

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Speaker 5: And I get a lot of spam calls with my company.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the same thing I had three Bess calls.

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Speaker 3: I was like, these freaking telemarketers just won't leave me alone.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, and I think, I think when I look

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Speaker 5: back on it, I had like a missed voicemail like

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Speaker 5: from someone saying, hey, I promise, like I'm a real person,

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Speaker 5: this is legit, Like, give me a call back if

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Speaker 5: you're interested. And I did, and sure enough, I want

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Speaker 5: end up on one of the favor my favorite shows

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Speaker 5: of all time.

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Speaker 1: Now found favorite show. I answered, I see the California

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Speaker 1: number coming right away. I'm like, about time Hollywood's calling me.

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Speaker 1: I answered immediately, I answered on the first ring.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know anyone in al A, Like,

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Speaker 3: who would be calling me from California?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Exactly, And and like I said, I get a lot

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Speaker 5: of spam calls to my cell phone from work. So

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Speaker 5: I had just figured it was a telemarketers insurance trying

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Speaker 5: to sell me something with commercial.

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Speaker 2: Insurance or whatever. So I had no paid no mind

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Speaker 1: What do you you said, you have your own Do

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Speaker 1: you have your own business? What do you do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: So I I call it a consultant firm. It's a

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Speaker 5: transportation brokerage. Basically, we're the middlemen between corporate America shippers

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Speaker 5: and industrial manufacturers.

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Speaker 1: That yeah, yeah, nice, Good for you.

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Speaker 2: It's hectic. I learned to talk a lot in that

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Speaker 2: in this industry, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you got to you gotta sell people over

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Speaker 1: the phone, right yeah yeah? Okay. So you you know,

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Speaker 1: night one, you step out of the limo, your first

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Speaker 1: conversation with Jen, how are you feeling? Are there sparks there?

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Speaker 1: Do you feel a connection?

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Speaker 5: You know, I'll preface it like this. I had never

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Speaker 5: seen the show before, so I had relatively little knowledge

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Speaker 5: of what I was even supposed to be doing there obviously,

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Speaker 5: other than getting to know this person, I'm seeing Jen

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Speaker 5: for the first time.

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Speaker 2: I think she looks stunning. I mean, she looks magnificent.

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Speaker 1: And did you know did you know she was gonna

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Speaker 1: be the bachelorette before you went on?

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't even know any of the contestants. I

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Speaker 5: Premiere when they announced it, and that was the first

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Speaker 5: time that I had never seen Jen ever, ever ever

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Speaker 5: it wasn't like I feel like, for me, it wasn't

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Speaker 2: Thankfully, she's a very good sport and kind of rolled

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Speaker 2: with the bunches my use a little bit. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was nervous. I mean, there's cameras everywhere, there's all

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Speaker 1: So when did you feel the connection?

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Speaker 5: I think I think that when I took her for

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Speaker 5: and because of how my personality is, it kind of

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Speaker 5: a little bit of that. So that was like my

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Speaker 5: first like, okay, this girl's this girl's kind of cool,

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Speaker 5: like she's down a skip class and go get ice.

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Speaker 2: Cream with me, Like that's an amazing feeling.

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Speaker 5: So it started there and it just, you know, obviously

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Speaker 2: But you know, again, for me, it was all about

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Speaker 3: So she she compared you to Pete Davidson in episode one.

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Speaker 3: I think we've seen people online saying it too. Is

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Speaker 3: that a comparison you've gotten before?

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Speaker 5: So yes, I actually get that way more than I'm

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Speaker 5: proud of I think, I know. But for me, like

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Speaker 5: I always had this idea of Pete Davidson, like in

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Speaker 5: my mind that he was just this person that they're

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Speaker 5: not ugly, but just you know, he's not on the

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Speaker 5: and so for me, like when people would tell me that,

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Speaker 5: and it's happened a lot more, I think in the

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Speaker 2: But for me, it's it.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, as long as I don't look like him,

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Speaker 5: that's great. As long as I remind you of Pete Davidson,

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Speaker 5: that's fantastic. I do a lot of the same. You know,

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Speaker 5: I'm very vocal. I guess I moved my head all

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Speaker 5: much better than looking like him.

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Speaker 1: I actually don't really think you look like him, thank you.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 3: I think it's like the energy and the mannerisms and

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Speaker 2: That means a lot. He could never grow a mustache.

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Speaker 1: Like this, never ever, so so you so you connect

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Speaker 1: over ice cream. But then when you did pull her

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Speaker 1: for ice cream, that was kind of I think that

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Speaker 1: guys hate me essentially or not are upset with me?

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Speaker 1: Did you realize that was going to rub all the

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Speaker 1: guys the wrong way when you did make that move?

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Speaker 5: And no again, because because I haven't seen the show

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Speaker 5: and I don't know how any of this stuff works.

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Speaker 5: My my mindset was like, Okay, we have how long

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Speaker 5: We're into like a rug store looking at rugs. Everybody's

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Speaker 5: doing their own thing at that point. You know, Jen's

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Speaker 5: kind of looking around like a shop early She's trying

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Speaker 2: And so I didn't know that.

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Speaker 5: It was gonna affect a certain select group of people,

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Speaker 5: and for the most part, not everybody was upset. In

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Speaker 5: my mind, I think it was a playful gesture, taking

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Speaker 5: a little bit out of context for what it actually was,

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Speaker 1: And was.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, I was just gonna say, like I didn't

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Speaker 5: I didn't expect the implications of this to be what

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Speaker 5: that original moment, like, you know, it's just ice cream.

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Speaker 5: You know, I may have talked to her for a

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Speaker 5: was you know, they didn't let me enjoy the moment,

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Speaker 2: So I didn't know it was going to be like that.

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Speaker 4: Would you go back and do it again?

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Speaker 1: I think? I mean, yeah, I think that was the

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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's almost a genius move exactly.

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Speaker 5: And and for me it was like, you know, and

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Speaker 5: again it's gelatto. I was corrected on this a lot.

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Speaker 5: It's gelatto on, not ice cream. But with the gelato thing,

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Speaker 2: Hey, look i'm here, i'm available, I'm a good guy.

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Speaker 2: Let's have some fun with it.

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Speaker 5: I'm not really going to be concerned with the opinions

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Speaker 5: of many as long as I have the validation.

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Speaker 2: Of your opinion.

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Speaker 5: That's all I care about, you know, So that's that's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, look, it was a ballsy move

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Speaker 3: for sure, one that paid off. But we see that

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Speaker 3: a lot of the time the female leads on these

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Speaker 3: group dates feel like they get lost. It happens at

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Speaker 3: least like once or twice a season where they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: all these guys are like growing out and I'm just

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Speaker 3: here by myself.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she forgot that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think it was a good move in

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Speaker 3: the sense if she's standing by herself, she would much

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Speaker 3: rather be pulled aside and made you feel wanted by

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Speaker 3: see the guys start ripping into on the second half

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Speaker 3: of that date because you have the roasts. Were you

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Speaker 3: surprised that it was kind of like the roast of

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Speaker 3: Devin or were you expecting that.

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Speaker 5: Like, I'll put it like this, It's not that I

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Speaker 5: didn't see it coming. I'm like, I'm a person that

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Speaker 5: doesn't take themselves too seriously. I say this all the time,

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Speaker 5: Like I told this to the guys in the house, Like,

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Speaker 5: my friends and I are way meaner to each other

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Speaker 5: than you. Guys have ever been to me, so like,

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Speaker 5: this doesn't bother me. I think it's it was the

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Speaker 5: fact of the matter that it did put such a

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Speaker 5: Devin is a thing.

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Speaker 2: But in my mind, I'm thinking, Okay, they're just talking

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Speaker 5: Did I bring it up to her in that way? No,

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just for me.

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Speaker 5: I think that for me, when when I know myself

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Speaker 5: I'm so high mighty, I don't need to like talk

441
00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,399
Speaker 5: about it, but you know, I'd like to get some

442
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,600
Speaker 5: solace and some comfort from the guys in the house

443
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 5: every now and then. And and that I think was

444
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,119
Speaker 5: the big defining moment. Was a lot of the guys

445
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,800
Speaker 5: like John and then they didn't have a problem with

446
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,240
Speaker 5: how I operated. It was just the small numbers that

447
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,960
Speaker 5: were making such a loud noise. It kind of felt

448
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 5: like everyone was against me when it wasn't that way.

449
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I feel like it was really this Aaron

450
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,160
Speaker 3: versus Devin situation with a little bit of noise from

451
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 3: a few other people. And then once Aaron left, thomas

452
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Speaker 3: En and Sam why.

453
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say Thomas. I mean, thomas En kind

454
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 1: of just seemed in Krabata almost like he was mimicking

455
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 1: just whatever Sam was saying.

456
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I don't know, but I mean we did

457
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 3: see that big moment Thomas ed Paul at you from Jen.

458
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 3: I feel like that was the next kind of one

459
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Speaker 3: v one conflict that you had. What was that moment?

460
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Speaker 3: Like walk us through that actually take us back to

461
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 3: the conversation. Did you agree to let these eight guys

462
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 3: who didn't get time with Jen on the group date

463
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 3: all line up and go first and talk to Jen?

464
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I don't know where that came from for me.

465
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 5: I remember everybody coming back from the Safari date. They

466
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 5: were very frustrated, you know. I got that, you know,

467
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 5: and I'm talking to them, I'm and I'm consoling them

468
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 5: about how to feel and whatnot. But you know, for

469
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 5: them to assume that I said I wouldn't go first

470
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 5: as completely asinine first of all, and second of all,

471
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 5: in my mind, I'm, like you guys have said it,

472
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 5: like I'm dealing with a lot right now, you know,

473
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 5: from all different sides, in all different angles, so as twisted,

474
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 5: and people will say that I'm this is not true.

475
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 5: But in my mind, what I thought was the valiant

476
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 5: effort was to go first, so that I wasn't going

477
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 5: to bother anybody, because anything that I did at that

478
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,959
Speaker 5: point was going to be perceived as wrong or I

479
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 5: was doing something against the grain of what the other

480
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Speaker 5: guys were thinking.

481
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Speaker 2: And I think that was that group collective thought. And

482
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 2: Brian even said it.

483
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Speaker 5: You know, when I was having that conversation with Jen,

484
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 5: that maybe I was just doing that so I didn't

485
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 5: interrupt anybody, you know, And that's that's how I felt

486
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 5: in that moment, was like, Hey, I'm gonna be the

487
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 5: bad guy no matter what. This is like the path

488
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,719
Speaker 5: of least resistance for me. Let's just get it over with.

489
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 5: And again, had Thomas had come and said, hey, buddy,

490
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 5: your time is up, you know, I was ready to

491
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 5: throw in the white flag, you know, I was.

492
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: I would have gotten up no problems, you know.

493
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 5: But then obviously that didn't happen, So, Yeah, was there

494
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 5: a part of you that was like, if I don't

495
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 5: go first, I'm gonna have to interrupt her with one

496
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Speaker 5: of these guys.

497
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 3: And I would much rather just pull her than have

498
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 3: to have this conflict like I did with Aaron, where

499
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 3: I'm like interrupting her time.

500
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, and that was that was my.

501
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 5: Battle in my head, was like, Okay, do I do

502
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 5: I look like I'm taking initiative and kind of being

503
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 5: like Devin again doing a devon moment by going first?

504
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 5: Or am I being you know, a quote unquote bully

505
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 5: by interrupting somebody during their time.

506
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: And I don't know who it could have been.

507
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 5: I don't want to find out, you know that have knew,

508
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 5: because again it was I saw how that happened with

509
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 5: Aaron already.

510
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: I already felt that like shame when I was.

511
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 5: Talking with Jen after the fact too that I even

512
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 5: had to do that.

513
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 2: So I wasn't gonna do that again.

514
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 5: So that was my good guy moment, I guess, and

515
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 5: it clearly didn't.

516
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, back, what.

517
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 3: Did you think of Thomas n pulling you into the

518
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 3: hallway and you guys kind of going at it?

519
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely ridiculous?

520
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: It's pretty ridiculous.

521
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: It was ridiculous.

522
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 5: I mean, like I can sit here and say the watch,

523
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 5: I feel for the guy, but I don't.

524
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 2: I don't feel for the guy in that moment.

525
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 5: I get his frustrations, and I'll say this, I think Thomas,

526
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 5: I feel like he's pushing himself down this path that

527
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 5: like he doesn't really see where it's gonna end up.

528
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 5: But I know it's disastrous form if he keeps going.

529
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 5: So for me, I feel that in my mind. I

530
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 5: feel that empathy for him. But the way that he

531
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 5: handled it, I'm like, dude, this is the gotta be

532
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 5: one of the all time dumbest things I've ever seen

533
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 5: in my life.

534
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Speaker 2: I mean it had to have been. And you know,

535
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 2: it took even me to say, like, hey.

536
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 5: Jen, do you mind if I like get up and

537
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 5: argue with this guy for a second, Like do you mind?

538
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: And and he didn't even say hi to her, He didn't.

539
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 5: Exactly what you saw is exactly how it happened, like

540
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 5: grabs my arm, takes me around the corner, and then fire.

541
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 2: Ensuits like it was. It was insane, completely.

542
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 1: As move yees see. I didn't get that because we

543
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: interviewed him he was our first interview of Your Guys season,

544
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: and I just didn't really get just like a side

545
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: that wants to like be involved in drama or anything

546
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: like that. He was super nice in the podcast, So yeah,

547
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: watching it, I was like, oh, okay.

548
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 4: Like it feels like he got carried away.

549
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 3: But when you're having a conversation, is in the back

550
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: of your mind that you're like Jen is literally right there,

551
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 3: like she is in the hall, Like she's right in

552
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: this room next to us.

553
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 4: There's no door, oh yeah, just a doorframe.

554
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And for me, I think the biggest thing

555
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: was like I like to talk.

556
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 5: I don't know if anybody's got that already figured out,

557
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 5: but and I also know how to carry a conversation

558
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 5: and flow a conversation. So in my mind, not only

559
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 5: do I know that he's making an egregious like mistake

560
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 5: for himself and with Jen, but I'm gonna help him

561
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 5: flow that completely wrong and let him completely make a

562
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 5: fool of himself.

563
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 2: And so I'm so.

564
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 5: I'm like, at one point I'm trying to like cut

565
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 5: the argument off, but at another point in my mind,

566
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, if you're gonna say all of

567
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 5: these things, right here, right now.

568
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 2: Then, I'm really gonna highlight how dumb you sound in

569
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 2: this in this setting.

570
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 5: So I was very very surprised that he didn't like

571
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 5: take precaution to what Jen was saying. I'm surprised he

572
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 5: didn't like ask me to go, you know, outside or

573
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 5: something like that.

574
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: That was a shock factor for me.

575
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think was going through his head?

576
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: Like how do you think in thomas EN's mind he

577
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 3: saw this looking and playing out?

578
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 5: I mean there's only one way, right, there's only one

579
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 5: way that he can possibly look good in this moment,

580
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 5: and that's if and is like, you're right, Thomas, like

581
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 5: all of these things that I don't know what is happening,

582
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 5: I'm validating you for and I'm gonna agree with you.

583
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 5: And Devin, You're gone get out right now. I can't

584
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 5: believe that you're even still here. You're disgusting, Like that's

585
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 5: the only way that it could have worked, And that's

586
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 5: what are the chances of that happening?

587
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: Zero?

588
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 5: You know they're not not for my own sake, But

589
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 5: just like, there's no way you can spend that argument

590
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 5: the way that you did, especially how confrontational he was

591
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 5: into a good light. There's no way that you can

592
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 5: get that.

593
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,239
Speaker 1: He just he just flew off the handle and just

594
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: didn't think about it. All right, So then let's get

595
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: into samm the Samma of all things favorite, you know, yeah,

596
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: like is it is it?

597
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 3: Like?

598
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: Do you guys really hate each other?

599
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: Like?

600
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: What is what's the situation?

601
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 2: I don't hate anybody on the on the show. I

602
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: don't hate a single person.

603
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 5: I've been very atant that I don't hate anyone and

604
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 5: I and I still don't hate a very strong word.

605
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 5: It's like, at what point am I going to keep

606
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 5: trying to pour effort into something I know I'm not

607
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 5: going to get the results out of? You know, I

608
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 5: I know that Sam's not gonna like me for whatever reason,

609
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 5: and and and at this point, he hasn't even discussed

610
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 5: these things with me.

611
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: I don't even know why he doesn't like me.

612
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 5: I have no inclination of this other than maybe that

613
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 5: I pissed off a couple of his buddies like Aaron

614
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 5: and Thomas.

615
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: You know, I have no reasoning as to why he

616
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: thinks the way he thinks of me. We do not

617
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 2: like he.

618
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: Should seem like, yeah, cause it seemed like the only

619
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: conversation between you, twoe was I don't respect you. Well,

620
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: I don't respect you, And that's kind of what it's like.

621
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: Why there was never there was he did? He was

622
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: there ever a reason like why I don't respect you?

623
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 5: I think that he maybe thought that I could have,

624
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 5: you know, been two faced or somehow, you know, based

625
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 5: on the way that I've been acting.

626
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: And there's no way that this is who he really is.

627
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: There's got to be somebody different.

628
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 5: But I think that I think that in my mind,

629
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 5: the reason that Sam doesn't like me is because he's

630
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 5: he's probably met someone like me in his life in

631
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 5: real life that he doesn't like, and he's associating me

632
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 5: with that person, and no matter what I say or do,

633
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 5: it's always going to have that effect on him. I know,

634
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 5: I'm not necessarily like the easiest guy at all times,

635
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 5: but I'm not like a disrespectful person or anything like that.

636
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 5: I'll make somebody laugh, you know, I'm very embracing. I'm

637
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 5: very comforting when it comes to people. So for me,

638
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 5: I didn't know, but in my mind, I'm like, Okay,

639
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 5: this isn't going to change. So if it's not going

640
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 5: to change, I might as well have a little fun

641
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 5: with it, you know.

642
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: I think you can be onto something of the like

643
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: he's met someone like me, and like he's associating that.

644
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 3: Do you think there was any element of competition with

645
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 3: the two of you that he felt in this I

646
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: think it's pretty obvious at this point in the season,

647
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: but also quite early on, like Sam m gets that

648
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: first impression Rose, you're pulling Jen, you're getting early on

649
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: Roses as well. Do you think he looks at you

650
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: potentially as a direct threat as maybe, you know, his

651
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: main competitor in this fight for Jen's heart.

652
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think the difference with Sam and

653
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 5: I is that were so polar in how we operate

654
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 5: in life. You know, Sam, Sam's good looking guy. There's

655
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 5: I won't say very many nice things about him, but

656
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 5: that's one thing I'll say.

657
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: You know, he's a good looking guy.

658
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 5: And I think that he's kind of had it easy

659
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 5: and maybe the women department a little bit, not saying

660
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 5: that I've had such a hard time, but me and

661
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 5: me and him we do things completely differently in life,

662
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 5: and I think he doesn't understanding that I can achieve

663
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 5: the same things that he's necessarily achieved by being getting

664
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 5: all this attention, being validated by this woman that you like,

665
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 5: you know, having these experiences with her and her enjoying it.

666
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 5: I think that it's frustrating him that he almost sees

667
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 5: himself as better than me. Why is this guy, you know,

668
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 5: on the same level in Gen's eyes or maybe a

669
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 5: little bit low. I don't know where the rankings are

670
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 5: at this point, but you know what I mean, Like,

671
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 5: he's just.

672
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: Well you think that you think that's true? Do you

673
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: think he looked looked down on you? Like I'm better

674
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: than this guy? Why? Why does Jenn even like him?

675
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: How about this?

676
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 5: I'll say this, I'll say in my mind, I think

677
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 5: he thinks he thinks he's better than me, but he

678
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 5: doesn't know why. It's not translating into real life.

679
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: The first time we see you guys kind of go

680
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: head to head, because you know, we've seen you with Aaron,

681
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: we've seen you with Thomas, but sam M is kind

682
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: of always mixed up in it. But the first time

683
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: we really see you guys go at it is over

684
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 3: the sam N drama which sam M and sam N

685
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: has just been really confusing for us this season. But

686
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: sam N, for those of you listening, was the love virgin.

687
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: He confesses his feelings on that down under group date.

688
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: We see Sam m and Thomas have a reaction to

689
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: that that is not supportive. There's a lot of laughing

690
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: and a lot of teasing going on, and we see

691
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: you stand up for Sam and what motivated you to

692
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: speak up in defense of Sam hatton.

693
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: A couple of things.

694
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 5: One I I had been I had been the brunt

695
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 5: of their ship for so long, you know, So it

696
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 5: was just like that fume to a point where I

697
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 5: was tired of hearing about it, especially like you said, like,

698
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 5: they don't they don't confront people directly. Me if I've

699
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 5: ever had a problem with somebody, I'll walk right up

700
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 5: to your face and I'll say, hey, like I do

701
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 5: we have a problem.

702
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: What's our problem? If so, are we gonna fix it?

703
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: If not, then we need to go our separate ways.

704
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 5: Them they they like to, you know, whisper a little

705
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 5: bit and kind of let that problem fester. So that

706
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 5: was a boiling point for me. I'm the oldest brother

707
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 5: in my family. I have a younger brother who's very

708
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 5: like shy Uh didn't have a much harder life than

709
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 5: me growing up, So I protected that little dude all

710
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 5: the time. He's my best friend. He's one of the

711
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 5: people that I look up through the most. And even

712
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 5: though he's my younger brother, and I saw a little

713
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 5: bit of similar characteristics. Not like saying Samn is my

714
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 5: brother by any means, but you know, Sam just went

715
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 5: through the ringer already, you know, with Jen, without anyone

716
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 5: else needing to make him feel about the situation. You know,

717
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 5: he's imagine what's going through his head in that time,

718
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 5: not at the night portion, just wall, you know, think

719
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 5: about it like he's he's he just said he loves

720
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 5: you after seeing my ass on TV or on right

721
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 5: before him, you know what I mean.

722
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: And you know he doesn't know how to feel.

723
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 5: He's got a ride home thinking about that, then get

724
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 5: ready for the Imagine how long that shower was, you know,

725
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 5: probably the longest shower ever. And so for me, it

726
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 5: was like, why kick a Why kick a man when

727
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 5: he's already down? You know, if you're gonna if you're

728
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 5: gonna whisper a whisper, nobody can control that.

729
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: I can't stop you guys from talking wherever you guys talk.

730
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 5: But when he's trying to have this moment where he

731
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 5: needs us, you know, he needed us in that. Hey,

732
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 5: I'm sorry that this kind of came off this way.

733
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 5: And I don't even think he was doing it for us.

734
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 5: I think he was doing it for himself, you know,

735
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 5: to validate himself and to get shot down like that

736
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 5: right in his face, you know, just laughing at him.

737
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: I was like, fuck this too.

738
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree that that was a little Uh,

739
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: that was rough. That was rough to watch the whole thing.

740
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: And then then sam End's exit wasn't wasn't wasn't great?

741
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. That was not great between you and Sam?

742
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: M was there was there ever any like nice moments

743
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: of like hey, like we just both got to drink

744
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: at the bar like chairs kind of like did you

745
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: guys ever? Or is it just like crazy? Well, there's

746
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: a part of me that's watching it, right, and I

747
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: get like this feud between you guys, well, I guess

748
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: there's a part of that's watching it, like maybe they

749
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: both like chill out and like could kind of like

750
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: make amends and and almost become friends.

751
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 5: But no, okay, no, I am in my mind and

752
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 5: in Sam's mind, I am the embodiment of everything that

753
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 5: he has disagreed with his like entire life, you know, so,

754
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 5: and but but.

755
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: Also not just that. I mean, I'm friends with a

756
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: lot of the guys in the house.

757
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 5: Even at this point, you know, Sam and Thomas would

758
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 5: isolate themselves willingly from the group and just like do

759
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 5: their thing, and and so you know they're not They're

760
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 5: not making it any easier for us already in this

761
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 5: uncomfortable environment. Everyone else is like getting secondhand embarrassment or

762
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 5: not uncomfortability, I guess the better word, you know. So

763
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 5: it's like I'm at least trying to is what does

764
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 5: he say? Keep the main thing, the main thing? So

765
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 5: I'm trying, you know, I'm trying at least, and they're not,

766
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 5: you know, So that I think is the big discrepancy

767
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 5: between you know, Sam and I.

768
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 3: What was your reaction seeing all of Sam EM's interviews,

769
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 3: because there was a few episodes where he had a

770
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 3: lot of things to say about you in his interviews,

771
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: which I'm sure you know, maybe I don't know if

772
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: you were sp because I know he was saying a

773
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 3: lot to your face as well.

774
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 4: But what was your reaction?

775
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: Oh, oh, it was very telling in my mind, you know.

776
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, he would say, like I don't respect you, or

777
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 5: you know, I don't like you to my face, I

778
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 5: get that, but to like call me a bitch and

779
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 5: stuff like that behind the cameras, Like, it's very telling. Again,

780
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not talking about these guys the way

781
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 5: that they're talking about me. If I if I make

782
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 5: a joke about them or about Sam in particular, it's

783
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 5: usually about like I just did like to keep the

784
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 5: main thing the main thing. It's one of those things like,

785
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 5: you know, I'm never like taking shots. So for me

786
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 5: to see that, and I mean, I'm not gonna lie

787
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 5: and say I was shocked. I knew the guy didn't

788
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 5: like me. It's just kind of funny to watch back

789
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 5: when you say someone doesn't bother you and you're not

790
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 5: gonna let someone bother you, and then you proceed to

791
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 5: let them bother you so much and talk about it

792
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 5: so much. It's very telling about what you are, you know.

793
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 5: So I took no offense to it was like a.

794
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: Whatever, I guess. Okay, let's let's move past all the

795
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: all the guy drama. You have a one on one

796
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: date in New Zealand with Jen. Let's talk a little

797
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: bit about that and where you felt your relationship was

798
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: after that date.

799
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 4: How did you feel about the activity of your one

800
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 4: on one date.

801
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: I thought, I mean to be honest, I thought I

802
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: was right up my alley.

803
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 5: You know. It was, uh it was a break from

804
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 5: all the chaos in my mind. You know, it was

805
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 5: something that I needed. And when I went there and

806
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 5: experienced this amazing culture from the Mounting people with Jen,

807
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 5: you know, it was such a uh refreshing moment for

808
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 5: me because again I'm I'm stressed out. I mean, I'd

809
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 5: be lying to you if I said I wasn't stressed

810
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 5: out with all the stuff that was going on. So

811
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 5: to have just this cutaway moment with Jen was was fantastic.

812
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: And she was very very open and reciproc.

813
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: How do you say that receptive?

814
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: Receptive? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the reception.

815
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 5: Was very open and receptive to how vulnerable I was

816
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 5: getting in and and I it wasn't easy for me.

817
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 5: I didn't really know kind of what the date was

818
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 5: going to track to look like. You know, we did

819
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 5: a lot of things. So to be able to talk

820
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 5: about my life experiences and my family just helped me

821
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 5: bond closer to her because I feel like we've had

822
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 5: a lot of those small discussions and I want to

823
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 5: get to the real ones, and that helped preface a

824
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 5: lot of you know, the conversation that her and I

825
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 5: had later on that night.

826
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: So it was it was a fantastic day for us.

827
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 5: It was a beautiful day. I said, I always like

828
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 5: to joke I left I left the villain of me

829
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 5: in that temple in in New Zealand, because when I

830
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 5: walked out of that place, man, I felt like a

831
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 5: new man with him.

832
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: So it was it was great. It was great to feel.

833
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: It does kind of actually that actually make sense. It

834
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: does kind of seem like that as if you were

835
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: it seems like that, do you now, Like, where are

836
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: you with your feelings towards Jen after the state?

837
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, so so the daytime, obviously, I you know, I

838
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 5: let her know.

839
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: You know, I like her. I like her a lot.

840
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 5: At that point, I had been feeling a certain type

841
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 5: of way about her. I think the week leading up

842
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 5: to that, especially with how she validated me with the

843
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 5: group date rose.

844
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 2: You know, she was so warm and open to me.

845
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 5: Then you know, there were a lot of things that

846
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 5: she had been doing for me without even realizing that

847
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 5: made me feel strongly about her, so so going into

848
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 5: the night portion of our date was monumental for me

849
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 5: in my mind because it was it was the I

850
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 5: can finally play like play like. My next piece that

851
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 5: I really really wanted to get across from her was

852
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 5: this is why I am the way I am. You know,

853
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 5: It's not just some facade that I'm putting on, and

854
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 5: and it's not some cloak or a tough guy act like,

855
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 5: this is why I am the way I am and

856
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 5: and all of the things that associate with that, and

857
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 5: for her to accept that and have we had so

858
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 5: many bonding moments during that conversation, you know, similar upbringings,

859
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 5: similar family style, like not having it easy, you know.

860
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 5: That was that was all the reassurance I needed to

861
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 5: to let her know that I was falling for them.

862
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was gonna say so never watching the

863
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: show and it's it's you know, obviously not a normal situation.

864
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: Can have you like looked within yourself? Can do you

865
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: think you could fall in love in a situation like this?

866
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 4: Are you surprised? By half asked?

867
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: I was very surprised. I was. I was very very surprised.

868
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 5: Again, I I didn't come into the show fully knowledgeable

869
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 5: of how it worked. And one thing that I will

870
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 5: will come in the show on doing is is putting

871
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 5: you in that moment where you really have to reflect

872
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 5: on what you want in life.

873
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 2: You know, you all of the all of the filler.

874
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 5: Conversations go away, right, you have to you really have

875
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 5: to cut down to the meat and potatoes of who

876
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 5: you are in your essence. And and it really helped

877
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 5: me open those walls for her to see who I was,

878
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 5: and it was it was great.

879
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's one hundred percent possible.

880
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: All right, So now let's let's cut to this episode,

881
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: the episode that's currently aired, and we see Jens X

882
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: come back, Matt, and you're one of none of the

883
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: guys are happy. You're one of the guys like if

884
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: he stays, I think I'm out. Would you? Was that

885
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: was that real? Is that really how you felt?

886
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 5: Oh?

887
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? And that was that was a moment that I

888
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: don't think.

889
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 5: I think that was in one of the moments where

890
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 5: I didn't really I like to say, I think through

891
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 5: a lot of the things that I'm gonna say versus

892
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 5: just spewing them out, that was really just pure emotion

893
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 5: for me, Like I I've done.

894
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: I've played X games before.

895
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's been a theme in my life

896
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 5: in the past, and for me and and my mind

897
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 5: to have the strength to turn all that away, I've

898
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 5: I've turned a new chapter in my life and I'm

899
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 5: putting it all out there for this woman that I

900
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 5: want to see where go. And we just had an

901
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 5: amazing one on one day. So it was personal for me,

902
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 5: you know, those feelings were personal. I had just told

903
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 5: her I was falling for her all of these new, developing,

904
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 5: budding emotions that I'm you know, experiencing, and then the

905
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 5: hammer drops. You know, some guy that dated her in

906
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 5: the past could just take her away, and that could

907
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 5: be that because I know how I know how easy

908
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 5: it is to fall into that feeling of comfortability with

909
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 5: like an ex partner in X.

910
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you think of Matt coming in and

911
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 3: telling you, guys, hey, I'm not saying I'm leaving. What

912
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 3: was your like, how did you feel hearing that he

913
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: wasn't going to be joining the journey? And what was

914
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: also your opinion on the guy's response to what he

915
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 3: was saying.

916
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 5: So for me, I was very happy that he wasn't

917
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 5: saying you know, I mean, I don't want to deal

918
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 5: with that that again.

919
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: You and sam am at least bond over. I was

920
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: gonna say we bought it.

921
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: There was a very budding moment where him and I, like,

922
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 2: I think.

923
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 5: We found an comed Yeah, I think we had a

924
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 5: conversation where I was like, I may hate you, you

925
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 5: may hate me, but we both hate.

926
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: This guy way more. So, Like, you know, that was

927
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: like probably the one you know it was.

928
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 5: It was it was insane to think about, you know,

929
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 5: because I can only put myself in my shoes, right,

930
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 5: but if I can think about what all the other

931
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 5: guys are feeling, I don't know how far along any

932
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 5: of these guys are in their relationships either, So you know,

933
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 5: I can only imagine what the collective feeling is to this,

934
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 5: you know, stranger walking in and saying, Hey, this, this

935
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 5: girl meant so much to me in the past, and

936
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 5: I'm gonna try and make her mean so much more

937
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 5: to me again.

938
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 2: That that's a very you know, drive a stake in things.

939
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 5: So it was a very refreshing feeling to know that

940
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 5: he was leaving, But not just because he was leaving,

941
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 5: but because Jen.

942
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: It's like you watch her grow like, I watched her

943
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: grow in that moment.

944
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, we've really seen grow a lot through the season,

945
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 3: especially in this episode.

946
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 5: Yes, and I know where I've faltered in the past,

947
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 5: where I've made that mistake of going back to an

948
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 5: ex partner before and not having the strength to know

949
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 5: that something else is better for me in my future,

950
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 5: And to watch her kind of do that where I

951
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 5: have failed in my life made me that much more

952
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 5: attached to her because I was like, Wow, you've just

953
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 5: like everything that I've tried to do in the past

954
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 5: that I had to work so hard to get to do,

955
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 5: or like to get to be able to be at

956
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 5: in a place in my mind, you just did it

957
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 5: right there.

958
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: And that was amazing to see that she chose, you know.

959
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 5: The uncomfortable moment versus just the safe and reliable what

960
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 5: I know in the past moment. You know, it was

961
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 5: I know something better is out there, and I want

962
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 5: to see where that goes.

963
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: I wanted him to stay. I like, rented man, all right,

964
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: can you We're gonna play a quick game before you leave,

965
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: but before we get into that, if you could, if

966
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: you could tease the rest of the season without spoiling it.

967
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: What would you.

968
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 5: There's a lot of Oh man, there's a lot of

969
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 5: twists and turns coming up, a lot more drama, as

970
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 5: if you haven't seen enough already, some crazy, some crazy,

971
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 5: crazy experiences.

972
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: And yeah, hold on to your seatbelts.

973
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 4: Boys, that's wild because the top half of your eyes.

974
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: This season has been so nuts with so much drama,

975
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: and then this last episode we were saying, Okay, it's

976
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: really died down. I feel like we're we're slowing down

977
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 3: on the drama front. So to hear that there's still

978
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: a lot more twists and turns to come is interesting.

979
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 5: It's it's it's gonna be an incredible season for sure.

980
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: Nice. All right, we're gonna play rapid fire. Get to

981
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: know Devin. First thing that comes to your head? You ready, ready?

982
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 2: All right?

983
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: Who is your first concert?

984
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 2: Drake?

985
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: Go to comfort? Movie or TV show? Uh?

986
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: Go to comfort a TV show? Oh crap, this is rapid.

987
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: Fire, right, this is rapid Give us if you want.

988
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. How to lose guy?

989
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: Today's okay? What is your signature cocktail?

990
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 5: Uh?

991
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: Dirty dirty Martini vodka?

992
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: How do you feel about the word ferocious love?

993
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to define ferocious what it means?

994
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 4: Thank you?

995
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: Can you define it? Because I defined what I thought it?

996
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 6: Man?

997
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,479
Speaker 1: Can you define what you think it means? Real quick?

998
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: I think I.

999
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 5: Think ferocious in my mind means leaving everything out there,

1000
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 5: but putting your best intent with it. Just because it's

1001
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 5: it's a different approach doesn't make it wrong, all right?

1002
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: Favorite favorite group date activity so far?

1003
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 6: Uh?

1004
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: The comedy Rouss was fun.

1005
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: Dream vacation destination.

1006
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: Italy.

1007
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: Favorite food or cuisine chicken Pormejean killer something. Uh yeah, yeah,

1008
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: something on your bucket list?

1009
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 5: Skydive, but I don't know if I want to do

1010
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 5: it anymore after seeing all these people jump out of planes.

1011
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: Don't do it? Error air, early bird or night owl.

1012
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: I'm an early bird.

1013
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 1: Go to pizza order?

1014
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 5: Uh, it's the Oh, it's the hot and honey. It's

1015
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 5: like it's like the hot honey sauce with the ham

1016
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 5: and the Pepperoni's on top.

1017
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: So good.

1018
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: What's the first thing you do if you won the lottery?

1019
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: Change my phone number?

1020
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: What is one thing we don't know about you but

1021
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: we should?

1022
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 4: Those ones are always hard?

1023
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: M h. I look better with the beard.

1024
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: If you could sum up this season on the Bachelorette.

1025
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: Just using one word, what would that word be?

1026
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 2: Intense?

1027
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: Devin, that is an episode your first podcast. You did great.

1028
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on.

1029
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: No, I appreciate it. Joe, Thank you guys, and.

1030
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: To our listeners, thank you for tuning in to Bachelor

1031
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: Happy Hour. We really appreciate it. And we have new guest,

1032
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: new interviews every week of GEN season, and recaps, so

1033
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: don't miss.

1034
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 4: Be sure to tune in too Gen season of The Baucherrette.

1035
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 3: Subscribe to Bauchler Happy Hour and thanks for listening.

1036
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 5: Bye,