1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: I love baseball, and I love it deeply because of 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: how it's informed my perspective on all of my life, 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: and I just want more kids to get that benefit 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: from it, and I think the way that we can 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: maximize that is having them played for as long as possible, 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: which means we have to address skill, but you also 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: have to address the. 8 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: Engagement part of things, because if. 9 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: They hate it, or if they aren't engaged because they 10 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: don't realize they're getting better, they're going to quit. 11 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 3: This is the Reform Sports Project, a podcast about restoring 12 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 3: healthy balance and perspective in all areas of sports through 13 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 3: education and advocacy. This is Nick Bonacor from the Reform 14 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 3: Sports Podcast. Today, I'm speaking with Devin Morgan, director of 15 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: Youth Baseball for drive Line, one of the top data 16 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 3: driven baseball player development organizations, the host of the drive 17 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: Line Academy Youth Baseball podcast. Devin and I discuss the 18 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 3: importance of understanding kids stages of cognitive development, his mission 19 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: to develop skills at scale, and why he believes success 20 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 3: leaves clues. He's one of the great guys out there 21 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 3: in youth sports and if for all the right reasons, 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: I'm pumped to have them Director of Youth Baseball from 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: drive Line, my man, Devin Morgan, d thanks for hopping 24 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 3: on man. 25 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: That's always a pleasure. Man. It's good to connect with 26 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: you again our issue. Dude. 27 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: It's been a while, I know, I know, and you 28 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 3: got so much going on. I mean, in the last 29 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: you know year, two years, I think you guys over 30 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: a drive Line, you rolled out the teams. 31 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 4: For those of you out. 32 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 3: There who have been maybe on Mars or somewhere over 33 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: the last you know, ten years in baseball, drive Line 34 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 3: is at the forefront of technology. They're at the forefront 35 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 3: of scrutiny. They're at the forefront of of every They 36 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: got lovers, they got haters, all that stuff. Like any 37 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 3: prosperous and growing entity, you're gonna have both sides. But 38 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: my man, Devin, what did you guys recently? Do you 39 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: rolled out the new the travel team? 40 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 4: What's going on? 41 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we started doing teams. 42 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: Man, this makes me feel old, But I think when 43 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: we first talked, it was kind of like an idea 44 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: of what we were gonna do. And we are now 45 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: moving into season four of our travel Although you know, 46 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: travel Teams probably isn't accurate because you know, we you know, 47 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: at drive Line, we love to kind of book conventional wisdom. 48 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: And we don't travel that much. 49 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: I actually just got back last night from kind of 50 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: our only travel tournament that we do, and we're in 51 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: Washington with our teams and we just travel. 52 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: Down to Oregon. 53 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 4: How far is that? 54 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, it's a three three and a half hour 55 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: drive if you if you catch the traffic right, So 56 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: you know, we can give it a chance to kind 57 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: of do the the travel stuff that the kids want 58 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: to do, where they can kind of hang out in 59 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: the pool and and goof off. 60 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: But we're also trying to. 61 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: Do that in a way, we're minimizing some of the 62 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: economic impact on our families, because the moment that you 63 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: you know, you take a family of four and you 64 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: throw them on an airplane and you got to get 65 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: a hotel. 66 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: And you got to rent a car, and you got 67 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: to eat out, it. 68 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: Gets really expensive, really fast. And you know, inso much 69 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: as we have to do that, we're trying to make 70 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: this thing accessible to more people. 71 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: And one of the easy ways you can do. 72 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: That is just kind of mitigate some of the you know, 73 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: some of the costs that you actually can control and 74 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: the reality is, when you're talking about kids, you know, 75 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: ten to eighteen, unless we're really dominating like the entire 76 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: local market, you've probably got good enough competition in your 77 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: local area, so you don't need to spend three thousand 78 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: dollars a weekend flying across the country, you know, just 79 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: to just to play games. 80 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: In my you know, humble opinion. So, yeah, we were 81 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: running into we're starting. We were just finishing season. 82 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: Three of our teams will start our next off season 83 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: in October. We have two hundred issue kids in the 84 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: program right now, and we also have teams that are 85 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: spinning up in Arizona where we have our Scott's Steel location. 86 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: We got four teams down there. 87 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: It's about a little under sixty kids and they'll be 88 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: starting up soon. 89 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: So we're going, we're growing. 90 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 3: So what I love for people to know I I 91 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: know this because you and I have talked a lot. 92 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: I follow you, and we're very like minded in many ways, 93 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: particularly when it comes to the youth side. 94 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 4: I'd like to say, and you kind of touched. 95 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 3: On a little bit there just by describing the only 96 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: three and a half hour drive. I mean, for God's sakes, 97 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: I'm in the state of North Carolina. If you want 98 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 3: to go halfway across the state, you got to go 99 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 3: three and a half hours. People might hear that and go, 100 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 3: oh my god, that's not even traveling. 101 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 2: You know. 102 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 4: Some people do that every weekend, depending on where you're at. 103 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: So what is it about your ideology and approach to 104 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 3: youth baseball? And now, like you mentioned quote unquote travel 105 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: that you're doing with drive Line, but like versus some 106 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 3: of the other organizations, are the trends that you see 107 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: out there where it is halfway across the country, are 108 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: three thousand dollars to go play in these tournaments? Why 109 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 3: is it that it's important to you to kind of 110 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: buck the trend a little bit? 111 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: It's important to me. So I'll give you the technical 112 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: answer first. The guys over at the Aspen Institute had 113 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: this project Cleay Initiative, and they've been collecting data on 114 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: youth sport and they've been publishing it since I think 115 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: around twenty eighteen. 116 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: And in that amount of time, what they've shown. 117 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: Is that baseball loses a disproportionate number of participants. So 118 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: we're talking about kids leaving our sport than any other sport, 119 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: any other major or minor sport in the United States, 120 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: Baseball loses somewhere around one point two million kids every 121 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: single year in that transition from like the six to 122 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: twelve group to the thirteen to eighteen group. The thing 123 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: that happens around the same time is you have a 124 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: massive increase in playspace. You go from like the forty 125 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: six foot field to a full on sixty ninety. That 126 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 1: amount of increase is somewhere north of like two hundred 127 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: and fifty to three hundred percent, depending on the dimensions 128 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: of the fields. And thankfully baseball is one of these 129 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: weird sports where the playspase. You know, there's a lot 130 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: of bizarre baseball fields out there, which is hilarious. 131 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: But point being. 132 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: That the change in playspase necessitates a different type of skill. 133 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: Right in the fact that that change in play space 134 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: correlates directly with this time that we have this massive 135 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: participant loss, to me has sent a very simple signal 136 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: that we're missing opportunities to develop the long term skill 137 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: in a period of time when it kind of doesn't 138 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: mean that much, right. You know, from T ball to 139 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: like twelve thirteen baseball, a lot of times you could 140 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: have a bad game and you can take your kid 141 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: out for ice cream and they're gonna be fine. 142 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: Right. 143 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: In an addition, it's not like they have scouts that 144 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: are watching these games. 145 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: It's not that pro coaches are watching these games. The 146 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: people that are watching them are parents, right. 147 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: It's people like you and I who have a direct 148 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: biological relationship with the athletes on the field and are 149 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: compelled sometimes inappropriately to express our emotions about the result 150 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: of those games in consideration. So the first thing, you know, 151 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: for our ideology of what we're trying to do with 152 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: dry Line Academy is just kind. 153 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: Of recognized that thing. 154 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: Baseball is not a game where you can develop kind 155 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: of a skill set at a very young age and 156 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: that's going. 157 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: To serve you the whole time. 158 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: You have to be aware of how the environment is 159 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: going to necessitate different types of skills. And then beyond that, 160 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: you know, kind of the non technical description is I've 161 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: been around this for long enough, you know this is 162 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: somewhere around twelve or thirteen years that I am troubled 163 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: by kind of the large, you know, the large kind 164 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: of path that our game is going. We are putting 165 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: kids in a position where their performance is treated the 166 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: same way that like a lot of professional teams performance. 167 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: Are treated right. Like I was at a tournament. 168 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: One time and in one of our teams was playing, 169 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: and I went into the bathroom and there's a kid 170 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: on the other team that was trying to exit the bathroom. 171 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: And before that kid could get out of the bathroom, 172 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: they started getting lit up by a parent on that 173 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: team about why the team wasn't hitting today. And like 174 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: if kids can't even get that type of break from 175 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, adults kind of reinforcing these imaginary consequences to 176 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: their competition results, then like something is very clearly broken 177 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: to me. I understand it, right because parents are paying 178 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: for this service, and I'm not trying to kind of 179 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: like look down my nose at other programs. I take 180 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: checks from parents too, you know, Like I understand that 181 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: I'm kind of complicit in this ecosystem as well. The 182 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: difference is is that the value proposition of what we 183 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: focus on is very clearly defined. What we focus on 184 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: is skill development and engagement, and you have to pair 185 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: those two things because the more that you can keep 186 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: a kid engaged, the more that they want to play 187 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: the game, and the more that they want to play 188 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: the game the more that you can develop skill. So 189 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,599 Speaker 1: for us, it's really really important that we kind of 190 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: bundle those two things together because that's the hook to 191 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: have a kid play this game for as long as possible. 192 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, drive line, we are the best 193 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: in the world of player development. That doesn't mean that 194 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: when I take kids you know into my program that 195 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: are ten U, eleven U, twelve U, that I'm really 196 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: have any specific regard for whether they're going to be 197 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: professional athletes or not. With those you know, thirteen to 198 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: fourteen and under kids, what we really specifically focus on 199 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: is helping them get the most enjoyment and competitiveness out 200 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: of their ninety foot career. Right we are very much 201 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: focused on the long term, the long term goal for 202 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: those fourteen and up kids that are already. 203 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: Playing ninety foot baseball again. 204 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: Let's be as competitive as possible for this period of 205 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: time and then if you have an eye towards playing 206 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: somewhere after that. Right, So we're talking about collegiately or 207 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: pro we have to be honest about what those things take. 208 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: There are local junior colleges in our area who in 209 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: the Northwest here are just not going to look at 210 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: you if you throw slower than eighty five. So when 211 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: like the fifteen year old that throws ninety two gets 212 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: an offer letter from a D one school, success leaves clues, right, 213 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: Like those colleges are looking for kids that have outlier skills, 214 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: and they are hoping that that kid stays as good 215 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: or continues to get better over time. The way that 216 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: this is relevant to like your average ten, twelve, fourteen 217 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: year old is you just want to be competitive. 218 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 2: Right. 219 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: The game of baseball is incredibly frustrating, maddeningly so often. 220 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 2: But if you've got good stuff. 221 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: You're more likely to be competitive and you're more likely 222 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: to be successful because of that. So it ends up 223 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: kind of being like this chip allocation problem. Right, I've 224 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: only got so many chips that I can put on 225 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: the table, So the question is. 226 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: How do I distribute them? 227 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: Distribute them towards kind of the long term goal and 228 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: things like like general athletic development that'll inform and drive that, 229 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: Or do I have kids doing forty five minutes of 230 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: four quarter drills were trying to maximize our ability to 231 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: turn a double play? 232 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: Atten you, I've seen a lot of ten you baseball. 233 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: I've seen some really good tenure in baseball, and I've 234 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: seen some double plays turned by kids at those age. 235 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: But the problem is is that again, take those kids 236 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 2: out of that environment that is not evergreen, put them 237 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: in the long term environment. 238 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: And hey, look, the throw from from short to first 239 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: is like one hundred and thirty feet if you were 240 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: not ready to make that throw when you're playing ninety 241 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: foot baseball and you have to Coaches don't really have 242 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: a lot of options, right other than kind of hiding 243 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: a kid over at second base and going like, all right, well, 244 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: the skill isn't there and the strength isn't there, but 245 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: hopefully there's like one place that that kid can play. 246 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: And for me, that is just the exact recipe that's 247 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: going to have a kid want to walk away from 248 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: my game. I love baseball, and I love it deeply 249 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: because of kind of how it's informed my perspective on 250 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: all of my life, and I just want more kids 251 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: to kind of get that benefit from it. And I 252 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: think the way that we can maximize that is having 253 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: them play for as long as possible, which means we 254 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: have to address skill, but you also have to address 255 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: the engagement part of things, because if they hate it 256 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: or if they aren't engaged because they don't realize they're 257 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: getting better. 258 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: They're going to quit. 259 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: And that's part of the reason why we focus so 260 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: much about training with data, because more that I can 261 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: communicate a kid that they are actually getting better, then 262 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: they kind of treat it like a video game. 263 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: Right. 264 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: Most of these kids are even playing like Call of Duty, MLB, 265 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: the show Fortnite, you know, pick a. 266 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: Game, they know what level their character is. Sure. 267 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: The way that we communicate kind of data about training 268 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: for kids is very similar to that. I want you 269 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: to understand. You know, this month, you took this many swings, 270 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: and you are this much better than you were thirty 271 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: days ago. That's how we drive engagement. 272 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 3: I love how you have the separation and ages. As 273 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: I'm listening to you, I'm going you know, because I 274 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 3: talk a lot about what's age appropriate and you know, 275 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 3: and I love I always and I don't know why. 276 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 3: I I think it's just common sense or my own experience, 277 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: but I always kind of separate. It's like that age 278 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 3: thirteen fourteen. It's sure the baseball fields grow at some point, right, 279 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 3: basically a big league field, but then puberty is around 280 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 3: that age too. In most cases, right, So kids are 281 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 3: getting stronger, kids are developing, and it correlates with that. 282 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 3: But I think, like you mentioned when performance or I 283 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: think you mentioned something on the lines of when that 284 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 3: starts to matter a little bit more as they get older. 285 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: Because truth be told, majority or a lot of programs 286 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 3: out there are focusing the same amount of intent or 287 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: emphasis on performance at seven, eight, nine, ten as some 288 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 3: programs are at sixteen, seventeen, eighteen. What I mean by performance, 289 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 3: I mean the outcomes, the wins and losses, and it's like, ye, 290 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: to your point, it just doesn't really matter at all 291 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 3: at those really early ages, correct, Not that you want 292 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: to lose. I mean, listen, no one goes out there. 293 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: We don't lose, but you know what I mean. 294 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: Of course, you know, like our our fourteen year old 295 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: team UH won a tournament two weekends ago, and you know, 296 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: like not for nothing, kind of dominated the whole thing 297 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: because we moved the vats faster and we throw the 298 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: ball harder than anybody else that we that we had 299 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: as competition in that tournament. I'm sure that if we 300 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: played some of the top competition in Arizona or Florida 301 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: or you know, any other one of those hotbeds that 302 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: we we might just end up just getting dusted, right, 303 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: But like on that particular weekend, we had really good stuff. 304 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: Just as last weekend we finished, you know again, like 305 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: this one tournament we are going to travel a little 306 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: bit too, and we came in second place. And the 307 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: funny thing about winning is like you go out and 308 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: win a tournament and then your expectations change, you know, 309 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: like because we win the tournament. We won the tournament 310 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: just the week before. These kids kind of went into 311 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: this one, They're like, we expect to win. And I 312 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: love that, you know, like I love I love cultivating 313 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: that type of competitive mindset where they really they feel 314 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: and know. 315 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: That they can go out and compete with anybody. Like 316 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: I'm I'm so in on that. 317 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: The trick is that as you know, as the administrator, 318 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: one of the administrators of the program, and the way 319 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: that kind of my coaches amplify or amplify kind of 320 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: the signal that we send. I'm still not going to 321 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: define these kids by their competitive results. 322 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not going to do that. 323 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: They they are worth more to me as human beings 324 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: then whether they checked a. 325 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: W or an L in a box. Score. 326 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: Those competition results are highly, highly, highly meaningful to parents 327 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: because winning is a very palatable outcome, right, It's this, 328 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: it's the safest one. If I go to the water 329 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: cooler and I tell, you know, Frank, my coworker, Hey, 330 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, my kids went out and won this. You know, 331 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: He's like, well, how did the tournament go? And I'm like, yeah, 332 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: we won. It's an easy conversation to have the same, 333 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: isn't isn't true if we didn't win right now, all 334 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: of a sudden we got to talk about, well, you 335 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: know what happened, right, And now I got to give Frank, 336 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, all this like context to our competition results, 337 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: because I don't want him to think that my kid 338 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: is a loser, right, or that he's on a loser organization. 339 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: But you're exactly right at the interplay. 340 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: Of kind of like the non linear biological aspect of 341 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: this whole thing. 342 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 2: You're talking about kids who are going to grow. 343 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: They grow all over the place and in uneven rates 344 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: and at uneven times. And when you mix that kind 345 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: of thing with you know, me me like reinforcing this idea, 346 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: Like hey Johnny, hey Katie, you know I really need 347 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: you here like like, yeah, I want to I want 348 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: you to perform, right, I mean all the training that 349 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: we do that the point is to perform. However, I don't. 350 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: Love my kids any different if. 351 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: They struggle, you know, I don't love him any different 352 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: if they make a mistake. To the contrary, when they 353 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: struggle or when they make mistakes, that's the time that 354 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: I got to double down on how much I love them, 355 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: And that's the time I have to double down on 356 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: helping them understand the context of why they might have struggled. Right, 357 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: is there a learning opportunity there? Because if I just 358 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: go like, hey man, you you craft the bed, and 359 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: I might cut that kid, or I stigmatize that kid, 360 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: or I don't give that kid any playing time in 361 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: the next events, I'm doubling down on what the kid 362 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: already understands, which is they didn't do as well as 363 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: they wanted in those moments. 364 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: What I want to do is the other thing, which 365 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: is like. 366 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: Hey man, like I man, I'm here for you and 367 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: I love you, and I wouldn't trade you for any 368 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: other kid in that other dugout period because that's just 369 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: I think the thing that they need to feel good 370 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: about themselves when they're playing sports. Sports is not always 371 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: going to make you feel It's not going to always 372 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: make you feel good like that. That's the truth if 373 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: you really want to get into the weeds. There's a 374 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: developmental psychologist named she Psa who basically pioneered our kind 375 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: of conceptualization of the way that kids go through different 376 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: cognitive phases of their development. Before kids are about thirteen 377 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: fourteen years old, they exist in a cognitive stage that 378 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: is very much. 379 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: Defined by kind of a concrete. 380 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: Understanding of the world, which is in kind of these 381 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: terms we lost and I'm a loser. 382 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: Right, They don't kind of go like. 383 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: We lost, but I did my bed, But more often 384 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: they'll draw like a direct line between the outcome and 385 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: their own sense of self. That changes over time in 386 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: the way that the brain develops. 387 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: But that stage of things doesn't start. 388 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: Until about thirteen and fourteen, and in that process will 389 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: last into adulthood. So when you are that guy who 390 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: like doubles down on enforcing consequence to children about their 391 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: competitive results and how they didn't perform perfectly, your leaning 392 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: in to the thing that that child already thinks. Right, 393 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: But again, you know, the more that we like professionalize 394 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: youth sport, and the more that we treat children like 395 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: adults through athletics. If we miss that part of things, 396 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: if we miss just like the cognitive development side of things, 397 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: we are missing opportunities to give them context that is 398 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: just going to keep them playing sports for longer. 399 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 2: And I think that is a good thing. You know, like. 400 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna have kids in our program, They're gonna go 401 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: play college baseball. We're gonna have kids in our program, 402 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: they're gonna go to the pros. That's just a thing 403 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: that is going to happen. I am just as invested 404 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: and I am just as interested in that kid who 405 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: stops playing sports in high school and they don't play 406 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: in college, but they have a positive relationship with athletics 407 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: and sports and they pass that on to their children. 408 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: I think both of those things are just as valuable. 409 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: But the more that we go down this rabbit hole 410 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: of like the you know the seven, you you know, Lube, 411 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: Saint Patrick's Day, you know, Triple Sapphire Elite Invitational Championship, 412 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: We're missing that aspect of things. We're reinforcing the kids 413 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: that there's like, hey man, there might be you know, 414 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: fifty teams in this bracket. So that's six hundred children. 415 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: Well guess what, there's twelve of those kids that gets 416 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: to feel okay about those participation, and everybody else should 417 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: feel like a loser. I know that you we should 418 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: keep this clean, but I don't need to tell you 419 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: how really jacked up that I think. 420 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 2: That configuration of youth sports is. 421 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: So what we do a drive line with the Academy 422 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: is basically everything possible to push back against stuff like that. 423 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 3: I love that man and the Jiffy Lube Sapphire Elite Invitational. 424 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 4: I know I took out about ten words. 425 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: I love that because you started laughing, like because you 426 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 3: look up some of these tournaments. That's exactly the Mickey 427 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 3: Mouse you know two step. You're like, what the every 428 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 3: other weekend there's just and it is what it is. 429 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 3: It's you know again, it's you know that money grab man, 430 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 3: it's that chase that whatever. But at the end of 431 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 3: the day, I love how you're putting you know, the 432 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 3: cognitive You're talking a lot about that, and we cover 433 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 3: a lot of the mental components and kids time their 434 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 3: self worth the sport. How much of a dangerous slippery 435 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 3: slope that is when we come back, Devin and I 436 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 3: discussed his coaching philosophy and why he utilizes data to 437 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 3: improve kids' skill development and engagement. 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On September twenty seventh, one pm Eastern 457 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 3: eleven am Mountain Time. Where we left off, Devin and 458 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 3: I were about to talk about the importance of developing 459 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 3: kids in a safe and structured environment that also keeps 460 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 3: them engaged and motivated. What I'm fascinated with even more 461 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 3: I don't want to say even more so, but equally, 462 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 3: And it gets talked about a lot with drive Line 463 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 3: and the work you guys do is you know, the 464 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 3: physical development. But something that you've always talked about is 465 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 3: about moving fast. It's about moving with explosiveness. I mean, 466 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 3: a lot of the things that I've talked to you 467 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: about in the past. 468 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 4: You know, translate to like every sport. 469 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: You know. 470 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: I've watched some of the videos you guys, but I'm 471 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 3: sure their curtailed to you know, baseball specific in many ways, 472 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 3: but a lot of these explosive movements and such that 473 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 3: you guys are doing in your facility really could translate 474 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 3: to any sport. And that's kind of why I really 475 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 3: admire Like, you know, and you talk about the video 476 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 3: game thing, the measuring I know, you know, analytics and 477 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 3: data at times from some people gets a bad rep 478 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 3: but I just I just. 479 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 4: Don't see that. It keeps kids engaged. 480 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 3: There's so much benefit to it, and and it's it's 481 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 3: a way to measure things. And more importantly, it's not 482 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 3: going anywhere. Technology is not going anywhere. So correct, how 483 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 3: how do you see the evolution because it's not just baseball, 484 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 3: it's like every sport where data is being used. And 485 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 3: how do you see that with the physical development? Have 486 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 3: you seen tons of like examples within the academy and 487 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 3: in the program where you've seen these kids like maybe 488 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 3: even go on to different sports, but where this explosive 489 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 3: movements and body control things that are learning from you guys, 490 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 3: has really helped them evolve into just overall better athletes. 491 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the first thing I would say is, like, our. 492 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: Perspective on this need for kind of again what you'd 493 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: probably call general athletic development, is informed by the data 494 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: that we've collected. This isn't a guess, these are just facts. 495 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: There are guys playing in the show in MLB right 496 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: now who if they wanted to, could be Olympic athletes 497 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: in like track and field sports. 498 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: That's just a fact. You know. The thing they used 499 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 2: to say back in the day is like success leaves clues. Right. 500 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: Well, if you come in and you can like broad 501 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: jump your way pretty close to like the Olympic world record, 502 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, doing it like your first or second time, 503 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: you're probably a pretty good athlete, and it's reasonable to 504 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: expect that your baseball skills are relatively good. 505 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: Now, they might not be perfect. You know, there's plenty 506 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 2: of guys who. 507 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 1: You know, they might throw a buckle one and they 508 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: can't get the broad side of the barn, and that's 509 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: typically used as the reason to kind of demonize any 510 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: type of training that revolves around acknowledging that like moving 511 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: fast and force production is important. 512 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: I think the fundamentally thing you need to keep in mind. 513 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: There is that the reason that those guys get drafted 514 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: who can't hit the broadside of a barn is because 515 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: more Major League Baseball teams and even colleges are willing 516 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: to take a risk on one of those guys and 517 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: help to refine that skill set. 518 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: Then guys who are going. 519 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: To like dot seventy eight, that is a fact, that 520 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,719 Speaker 1: is the reality, and it's you know, if you if 521 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: you're kind of intentionally obtuse to the nature of our 522 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: game that way, then you're going to be that kid 523 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: who's like, I don't know why there are no scouts 524 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: that want to see you. 525 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: Know, they don't want no scouts that want to see 526 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 2: my son. I just need one coach to I just 527 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: need one coach to see him. 528 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: And like, coaches are looking for players because coaches at 529 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: the collegiate level want to keep their jobs right, They're 530 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: not intentionally ignorant about any prospect out there. 531 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: But if you are that. 532 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: Guy who's like seventy seven to seventy eight as a senior, 533 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: and you're a parent who your parent has spent thousands 534 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: and thousands of dollars sending you to showcase, well, guess what. 535 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: The reality that no one's paying attention to you, the 536 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: reality that you don't have a roster spot, much less 537 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: a scholarship, is because there are probably like three million 538 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,479 Speaker 1: other guys just like you, Because you don't have a 539 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: skill that is in demand on the market. You have 540 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: a skill that is very similar to a crap ton 541 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: of other guys who have also been fundamentally ignorant about 542 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: the signal that college and Major League Baseball are sending 543 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: to high school athletes. I've got a kid who was 544 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: in our program for two, like two and a half years, 545 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: and then decided he wanted to stop playing baseball because 546 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: he was going to be like he was going to 547 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: focus on VMX riding. 548 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 2: I don't know the first thing about VMX riding. 549 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: The last BMX experience I had was like dragging the 550 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: rear tire of my VMX bike down my parents' driveway. 551 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,239 Speaker 2: But he was a savage. 552 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: Athlete when we had him, incredibly strong. He was like 553 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: ninety five ninety six mile an hour top top eggs 554 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: of velocity as like a fifteen year old. So when 555 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: I see him posting these clips on Instagram of him 556 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: just like tearing it up on VMX and he has 557 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: this phenomenal body awareness and spatial awareness and control, and 558 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: he has phenomenal force production, it's like, yeah, again, success 559 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: leaves clues. 560 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 2: There was a. 561 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: Period of time where there were guys in the game 562 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: of baseball who you know, had a body type that 563 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: was very similar to like my USPS guy that time 564 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,479 Speaker 1: is over all you need to do is like, you know, 565 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: google ar Nolda's Chapman biceps and see, like, dudes are 566 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: dudes for a reason. And my whole perspective on this 567 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: is just you know, again, children are inherently adaptable to 568 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,959 Speaker 1: the stimulus that they're given. I'm sure that at a 569 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: certain point there is like a genetic threshold for that, right, 570 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: and everybody's going to throw a hundred. That's just the reality. 571 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: But I think we don't really even know how many 572 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: kids could run it up to eighty five eighty nine 573 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: healthily because we just we miss opportunities to develop this 574 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: stuff safely and progressively over a long period of time. 575 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 3: You know, what I think is fascinating is like you 576 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 3: can make and I know this is a big point 577 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 3: of emphasis for you, d and you talk about you know, 578 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 3: I've heard you talk about how important it is to 579 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 3: have fun. And just like every other guest I have 580 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 3: who's certainly competed or coached at a high level, no 581 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 3: matter what the sport is or anything like, fun has 582 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 3: to be a part of it. And you know, I've 583 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 3: incorporated in, you know, with with coaching with young kids, 584 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 3: and I always try to competitive games, and you know, 585 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 3: baseball could be a very very boring sport at young ages. 586 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 3: You know how many times have you pulled up to 587 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 3: a park or whatever and you see a bunch of 588 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 3: kids standing around a field and like a coach throwing 589 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 3: batting practice to one kid and he's you know, poor 590 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 3: kids missing half of them, and there's just a bunch 591 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 3: of kids standing in the outfield or in the infield, 592 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 3: just standing around. 593 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 4: I mean, it looks terrible. 594 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 2: It's the absolute worst the work. 595 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 3: But but you can run a practice with those same kids, 596 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 3: keep them highly engaged, moving from station to station, making 597 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 3: it competitive, doing different types of baseball movements and things 598 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 3: that are going to help them get better, you know, 599 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 3: skill specific wise, but also you know athletically, and these 600 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,239 Speaker 3: kids are going to be engaged in having fun. Is 601 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 3: that something that you put into your practices at your 602 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 3: academy to incorporate like those stations, those competitive games at 603 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 3: every at all young ages. 604 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a million percent. Are you know? 605 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: I said years ago what we wanted to develop with 606 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: skills to scale, You know, you want to develop a 607 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: set of skills that actually scale as the game changes 608 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: over time. And the mechanism that you deliver that is 609 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: just through games. So basically, anytime that we're training, we 610 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: are playing a game and we are counting points. 611 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 4: Which is what kids want to do. 612 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: It's it correct and and you know the secret sauce there, 613 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: right is. 614 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 2: And this is something we talked about in our Skills 615 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: and Skill Practice book. 616 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: I just finished the manuscript for a new training book 617 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: that's going to cover all of this stuff in detail 618 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: that ideally should be out, you know, by by January 619 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: of this coming year. 620 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: They want to compete, like like. 621 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: I mean, when we're talking about kids wanting to play games, 622 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: what they really want to do is they want to compete, right, 623 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: They want to know how good they are. The valuable 624 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: point about keeping score of these things is that the 625 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: moment that I can say, hey, you know, last week 626 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: the game was around the world and we're going to go, 627 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: you know, three rounds of three and you're trying to 628 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: go pulside, biddle appo, pulside middle appo, pulside middle appo, 629 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: and I'm going to give you a point for each 630 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: one of those ballotball outcomes that you produce. If you 631 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: go in in the first, you know, first time in 632 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: that environment and you get like one point, right, that's 633 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: not going to feel great because you got one out 634 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: of the nine available points. When we do that same 635 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: game environment a week from then and you get three. 636 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: Now we're talking about context and we're specifically talking about 637 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: context that it's designed to drive engagement in a child. 638 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: We are giving them some signal that they are getting 639 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: better at something that is valuable and the Mormon that 640 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: I can lean into that what I've just seen, again 641 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: in more than a decade of doing this, is that 642 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: the higher their interest and their focus and their engagement 643 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: in the entire activity becomes. And again consider that environment 644 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: versus kind of what's conventional about like hitting lessons for 645 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: a kid. You're going to come in and you're going 646 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: to pay seventy five dollars or one hundred and fifty 647 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: dollars an hour, and that instructor sometimes and I'm not 648 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: trying to demonize anybody that's given lessons, because I mean 649 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: I've done them, but typically the way that that lesson 650 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,239 Speaker 1: mechanism works is like the outcome of it has to 651 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: be me going to the player and the parent with 652 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: like a laundry list of the things that they did wrong, 653 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: and then they come in the next session and maybe 654 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: I have a new laundry list of things that are 655 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: wrong right, and I want to continue to like highlight 656 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: their deficiencies because to a degree, it highlights the need 657 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: for you to continue to utilize my surfaces. And if 658 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: that entire thing exists in an ecosystem where we're never 659 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: answering very simple questions about like how hard did you 660 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: hit the ball on day one versus how hard did 661 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: you hit the ball on day fourteen, it just exists 662 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: in like this idiotic vacuum that again is intentionally ignorant 663 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: only because you know, baseball is a very old game, 664 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: and I say this is like a fat old guy myself. 665 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: It's coached and taught by old guys just like me, 666 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: and we're kind of a little bit resistant to the 667 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: signal that just like moving the bad fast is and 668 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: hitting the ball hard is good. You know, Like there 669 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: are a lot of people that had a lot of 670 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: different thoughts about the home run derby that just you know, 671 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: was last week or whatever, and you were talking about 672 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: going back to the format of only ten outs or 673 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: or whether we're just going to kind of do it 674 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: a rapid. 675 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 2: Fireway that it is right now. I kind of don't care. 676 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: But I think the biggest thing that's kind of signaled 677 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: there is that like you have to hit the you 678 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: have to move the that fast to hit the ball hard. 679 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: That that's just that's just reality, you know, Like, Yeah, 680 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: I would love for every kid in my academy to 681 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: have the type of fine motor control and feel that 682 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: Greg Maddox had as an adult. That's an unlikely thing 683 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: that I'm ever going to be satisfied in having. 684 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,239 Speaker 2: So what can I do? 685 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: I can help kids throw the ball hard in and 686 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: around the zone, because the better that they can do that, 687 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: the more that they take away decision making time for hitters, 688 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: and typically the better the results are going to be. 689 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: Are you going to still give up some barrels? 690 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: Sure? 691 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: Man, Like, yeah, everybody does. Greg Maddox did too. But 692 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: what I want to do is just be clear about 693 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: kind of like what is what are the elements of 694 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: good performance? And how can I develop them and a 695 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: kid in a safe and structured format that keeps them 696 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: engaged throughout that whole process. 697 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 4: Devin, It's fascinating, It's true. 698 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 3: And if you're not paying attention to I love how 699 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 3: gracefully you said the modern day baseball player does not 700 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 3: look like the USPS United States Postal Service worker that 701 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 3: they may once have looked like back in the forties, fifties, sixties, 702 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 3: and seventies. Because it's true and people don't want to 703 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 3: hear it. It's just the way that it is. And 704 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 3: bottom line is if things are done in a way 705 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 3: where kids are having fun, they're having joy and they 706 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 3: keep wanting to show back up and they're becoming the 707 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 3: best version of themselves in a physical way, which ultimately 708 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 3: will lead to them doing so in in a mental 709 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,760 Speaker 3: way in a positive environment. 710 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 4: Man, I love it. I love the energy. 711 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 3: And of course, anytime you're trying to you mentioned the 712 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 3: game being old. I mean, you know I'm an old 713 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 3: head too. I'm turned forty four here soon. It's like, 714 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 3: you know, you're gonna get pushback, resistance for those who 715 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 3: like to oh it's a classic America's past time, it's like, dude, 716 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 3: you know what man? Like they said in Moneyball, Man, 717 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 3: it's like, what the hell is that the term? It's 718 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 3: like adapt or die, And that's the way it is 719 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 3: about in anything. 720 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 2: Man. 721 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 3: Kids change, People change, and they're supposed to change. And 722 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 3: if we stick in the past, then we're not evolving 723 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 3: and getting better ourselves as adults. So I can talk 724 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 3: to you all day long and we'll do it again, 725 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 3: But where can people find you connect with? 726 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 4: You find your content? 727 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 3: Now? 728 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 4: You have the podcast, now the blog, where can they 729 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 4: connect with you? 730 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:29,479 Speaker 2: Sure? 731 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: So the socials you can find me typically at Devin 732 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: Morgan DVN, M R G A N, or you can 733 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,879 Speaker 1: find drive Line Youth. Now that we have the drive 734 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 1: Line Youth socials, I'm not as active on my social 735 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: I feel like anymore, but that also just might be 736 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: because I have too much work to do. So on socials, 737 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: you either either need Devin Morgan or just Drive Line Youth. 738 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: And we also have the drive Line Accademy podcast. We're 739 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: pretty good about releasing those new episodes about every every 740 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: week week and a half. Maybe it's myself and Jeremy Techtiel, 741 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: who's the assistant director with me at Driveline. Jeremy is 742 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: my brother. I love that dude. He is helping me 743 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: build this thing brick by brick and Jeremy, you know, 744 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: being able to bring him in is another kind of 745 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: administrator at the top end of our program has has 746 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: made us phenomenally better. I just can't I can't say 747 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 1: enough about his contribution. And Jeremy and I do the podcast. 748 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: We just kind of talked about, you know, some of 749 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: the good and bad and inane and frustrating things about 750 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: youth baseball on the drive Line Academy podcast, and I'm 751 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: really thankful to people that have been listening. Our listening 752 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: numbers are I think either at are kind of over 753 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: like fifty thousand now, so we've got that thing going. 754 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, the podcast and the social stuff is probably 755 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: the best way to do it. 756 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 2: Like I said, I just finished the manuscript for our 757 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 2: new training book. 758 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: The way that I'm approaching that is basically, you know, 759 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: Kyle Boody, who's founder of drive Line, wrote Hacking the 760 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: Knnetic Chain and Hacking the Knnectic Chain, you know, changed 761 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: my life, no bones about it, and he changed lives 762 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: of a bunch of different guys, and it really kind 763 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: of exists as one of the pillar foundations of dry lines. 764 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: Kind of approach to what we're trying to do and 765 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 1: the way that we think about it. You know, Kyle, 766 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: I think, in a sense, deleted tweets said years ago, 767 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: you know, consider the current version of yourself as basically 768 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: just a representation of what you've done, you know, the 769 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: general ideas like you are what you do, and you know, 770 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: years later, we had a guy named Casey Weathers. 771 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,760 Speaker 2: Was training a drive Line. 772 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: Casey was a pitcher at Vanderbilt, was drafted, struggled with injuries, 773 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: came to us and actually got healthy and kind of 774 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: got back into baseball, and then after he finally retired, 775 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: did a famous speech at drive Line that I reiterate 776 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: to basically everyone that I have the opportunity to. There's 777 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,399 Speaker 1: a video up on YouTube called Casey weathers How good 778 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 1: am I? And in that speech he says a very 779 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,439 Speaker 1: very simple quote that I again changed my life. 780 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 2: Man, Like, hard work gives you honesty, you know, for anything. 781 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 2: Like you said, we just want these kids to get. 782 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: The most out as possible, and if you work hard 783 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: in that endeavor, I think you have the ability to 784 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: reflect on it and be honest about the outcome. Again, 785 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: not all these kids are going to go to the show, 786 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: and that's okay. But I think that perspective on life 787 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: and personal development and achievement is something you could apply 788 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: to baseball. It's something you can apply to cooking, It's 789 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 1: something you can apply to your marriage. Like it really 790 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: kind of defines my life in the time that I've had, 791 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, the pleasure of being able to work a 792 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: drive on and run our program. So yeah, you know, 793 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: either the socialism the podcast, or with the book coming out. Man, 794 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: we just want more people, i think, to engage themselves 795 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: on this different way about thinking about their children and 796 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 1: sports in baseball. Because I'm not going to be shy 797 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: about the fact that i think change is necessary. I 798 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,720 Speaker 1: think the current trajectory where we're going is not great, 799 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: and I want to do everything in my power to 800 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,879 Speaker 1: kind of shift that as possible. It's just that it's 801 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: the one thing in my life other than my wife 802 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: and my children, that I'm passionate about. 803 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 3: Devin Morgan, your passion is infectious. I'm grateful for you 804 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 3: coming on, and I love the work that you do 805 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 3: and I'm just so thankful. 806 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 4: Man, this has been freaking awesome. Thanks for taking the time. 807 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 4: Let's share with us. 808 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,399 Speaker 2: Bro anytime, anywhere. Brother, I'm here for you. 809 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 3: That's Devin Morgan, director of Youth Baseball at Driveline. Thanks 810 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 3: for listening to the Reform Sports Podcast. If you've enjoyed 811 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 3: this episode, we would appreciate it if you took a 812 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 3: moment to rate and review our podcast. 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