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Speaker 1: Here we go our number two. We are live, and

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Speaker 1: we are set for our super Bowl. The Seattle Seahawks

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Speaker 1: will be roughly a four to five point favorite. That's

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Speaker 1: a lot of points against the New England Patriots, a

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Speaker 1: team that was undefeated on the road, kept knocking off

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Speaker 1: great defenses all through the playoffs. Seattle is the next

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Speaker 1: in their site a couple of.

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Speaker 3: Minutes from now.

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck was the former Seahawk, was with the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: yesterday and after the game.

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Speaker 3: We'll be joining us in five minutes.

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Speaker 1: But as we often do always do on Monday, especially

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Speaker 1: during the football season, Colin Wright, Colin wrong.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right, Well.

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Speaker 3: I got it.

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Speaker 1: I'll take credit for this my two surprise teams in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. When I made the predictions this summer where

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Speaker 1: New England would be a playoff team. I love Mike Vrabel,

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Speaker 1: spent two hundred and fifty large and my second surprise

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Speaker 1: playoff team was Seattle. I didn't know they'd be in

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl, but I feel pretty good about it.

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Speaker 1: Smart general managers, excellent young, aggressive quarterbacks, rosters that don't

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Speaker 1: have holes. I've been on a four year streak on

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Speaker 1: picking two teams a year, a double year win total team,

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Speaker 1: I'm four for four, and a surprise playoff team. Seahawks

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Speaker 1: Patriots were my picks where Colin was raw. I did

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Speaker 1: not have Rams receiver Devonte Adams in my top ten players.

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Speaker 1: In this game Friday, he had four catches ninety yards

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Speaker 1: a key touchdown.

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Speaker 3: It is crazy.

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Speaker 1: He led the NFL by a lot this year with

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Speaker 1: he pooka maybe the star of the show, but he

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Speaker 1: is so big in big spots. I would be surprised

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't return for another season.

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Speaker 3: With McVeagh and.

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Speaker 1: Stafford, where Colin was right well, we mentioned it all

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Speaker 1: season and all week the Rams special teams could be

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Speaker 1: a major issue. They fired their special teams coach, they

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Speaker 1: moved off their drafted kicker earlier this year. Listen, it

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Speaker 1: was their number one issue along with pretty weak cornerback

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Speaker 1: play all year. So it's not like Sean McVay buried

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Speaker 1: his head in the sand. He addressed it multiple times

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Speaker 1: this season. McVeigh knew it was an issue and it

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Speaker 1: was the biggest game of the year yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right, the.

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Speaker 1: Steelers hire Mike McCarthy. We said multiple times in the

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Speaker 1: last week. They're not very good at this. They don't

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Speaker 1: hire offensive coordinators very well, they don't hire head coaches

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Speaker 1: very often. So they went with what is comfortable and

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Speaker 1: what is safe. Mike McCarthy not a bad coach. Mike's

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Speaker 1: gonna win double digit games. You know, I think they'll

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Speaker 1: become an offensive minded Steelers from a defensive minded Steelers.

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Speaker 1: So the good news is they got the right side

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Speaker 1: kind of an underwhelming choice. They went safe, They went Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: That is not really surprising. Where Colin was wrong. How

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Speaker 1: about this, we go two defensive coaches in the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: breaking a long streak of offensive coaches. You know what,

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Speaker 1: ad nauseum, you're tired of me saying it? All things equal.

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Speaker 1: I would always take an offensive coach, but there are

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Belichick, Reportedly, Buffalo has no interest in Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 1: and I said this last week. I think Bill's weakness.

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Speaker 1: He's not good at the draft. He's good at NFL personnel,

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Speaker 1: Buffalo needs, a really, really sharp guy in terms of personnel.

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Speaker 1: I think Bill's a little bit tone deaf to offense today.

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Speaker 1: He's also a little stubborn. Bill's gonna want to coach

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Speaker 1: That is not what Buffalo needs. It may work in

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: A week ago, I picked Indiana to beat Miami for

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Speaker 1: where Colin was right from day one, Sam Donald, that's

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Speaker 1: my Hall of Fame first ballot, right wrong. I never

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Speaker 1: quit on Sam Darnald. I didn't know if he was

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Speaker 1: this league. Do you realize he got benched in Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Then his last year in Carolina, November twenty seventh, he

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Speaker 1: he's the winningest court to back in the league and

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Speaker 4: So how did they feel for you to prove all

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Speaker 4: to doubt is wrong to be.

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Speaker 2: Heading to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: That doesn't matter to me. I just come to work

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Speaker 4: These guys in this locker room. That's what it's abouts

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Speaker 5: Man, the way that we've come to work ever since

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Speaker 2: I love that guy.

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Speaker 1: It's so poetic that he beat the Rams, the one

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Speaker 1: team that had his number in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: And with that Matt Hasselbeck, the former Seahawk who was

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Speaker 1: good in the end, What do you think was the

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Speaker 6: Well, first off, let me give you your props for

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Speaker 6: when Colin was right from day one. You have been

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Speaker 6: beating the Sam Darnold drump for a long time and

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Speaker 6: a lot of people jumped on that, jumped off that

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Speaker 6: I thought this was just an incredible game. Someone had

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 6: Even the last game with the Seahawks and the Rams,

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Speaker 6: it was a ridiculous game decided by basically the weirdest

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Speaker 6: two point conversion you've ever seen. And yesterday was one

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Speaker 6: of those games where both quarterbacks were outstanding. Both guys

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Speaker 6: threw for like three point fifty no turnovers. The receiver

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 6: I think ultimately like this came down to you, like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I said this earlier. You don't have

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Speaker 1: let's talk specifically about Darnold. I thought, that's that's as

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Speaker 1: well as I've ever seen him play. Go to your career,

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Speaker 1: your biggest games. There was something about Sam's decision making

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they get tight. I thought, Sam, were you surprised

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Speaker 6: You know, when you're playing against an MVP caliber quarterback

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Speaker 6: the Mike Martz Rams, like those guys, you just knew

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Speaker 6: people will doubt Sam Darnold p He's not as super fiery.

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Speaker 6: His emotions aren't out there for everyone to see. I

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Speaker 6: you know, he threw for nineteen first downs in that game,

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Speaker 6: So this wasn't I mean, there were some huge third

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Speaker 6: down conversions, two minute drive. Situational football, the stuff that

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Speaker 4: It's not so much first.

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Speaker 6: And second down from the twenty to the twenty. It's

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Speaker 6: situational football. And that's where I thought he was at

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Speaker 1: There's something about Seattle. They play with an energy that's

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Speaker 1: almost collegiate. I want you to take my audience. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you watch them play. When you play Seattle, you have

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Speaker 1: it's got Mike Tyson in his early twenties. You just

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Speaker 1: a chance with Tyson. On the television, Matt, it looks

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Speaker 3: Did you witness that yesterday?

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Speaker 6: Well, I just think the fan base has a chip

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Speaker 4: You know, they always have they feel.

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Speaker 6: You know, you feel like you're in the witness protection program.

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Speaker 6: In terms of like the national media, they don't want

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: It is this college atmosphere in a sense in terms

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Speaker 6: of you know what they bring pregame and I think,

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Speaker 4: You know, the energy before the game.

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Speaker 6: It really doesn't matter what kind of regular season you had,

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Speaker 6: You know, you even heard Sean Payton, who have a

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Speaker 4: My issue, my issue would be.

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Speaker 4: That would be my issue in that game.

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Speaker 6: And then for the for the Rams that you know,

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Speaker 1: it just feels like you're this is not a defensive culture.

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Speaker 6: He's aging in reverse calling. I'd sig him for five

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Speaker 4: Sign a five year deal, man, like keep going.

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Speaker 1: I got to ask you this as somebody who played

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Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, I'd love to be playing.

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Speaker 1: What is it like to be you that has been

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're fired up, You're back.

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Speaker 6: You're in Lumenfield and you know, I'm sitting yesterday, I'm

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Speaker 1: Finally, Steelers go. Mike McCarthy feels kind of safe to me.

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Speaker 6: Well, Mike McCarthy was my position coach my second year

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Speaker 4: Maybe that balance is out just a little bit.

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Speaker 6: But Mike McCarthy is as Pittsburgh as a person could

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Speaker 3: What times you get in last night, by the way,

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Speaker 6: Be not sure, I just actually walked in the door

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Speaker 6: I have an idea where it is, but I don't know,

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Speaker 6: can't say for sure. It was a good time last night,

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Speaker 6: a lot of fun. Rest up, we got two weeks

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Speaker 6: till the next one.

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Speaker 1: All right, great seeing appreciate you making our show.

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Speaker 4: Today, Bud, Awesome, see you college.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was out having a good time last night.

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Speaker 3: It was man, that's just it.

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Speaker 1: It's I feel like between the national championship in college

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Speaker 1: and so many of these playoff games. The first disappointment

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Speaker 1: I had was literally yesterday a the blizzard. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: even mad at the teams of the coaches. I was

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Speaker 1: mad at the weather. I'm like, just, well, this thing passed.

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Speaker 1: Can we shut it down? They shut it down for lightning?

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Speaker 1: Can we shut this thing down for an hour and

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Speaker 1: get see. I don't like cold weather games. I don't

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Speaker 1: understand it. I want pro athletes at their best. I've

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Speaker 1: never been somebody that just loves lousy weather. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to watch anybody in America have to work in snow, including.

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Speaker 3: Athletes, don't. I don't like that.

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Speaker 1: I want to see these unbelievable athletes and these really

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Speaker 1: smart coaches, and then it's like pouring a bucket of water,

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Speaker 1: you know, on incredible athletes, incredible coaching, and I've never

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Speaker 1: been a fan of it. I am for partially domes stadium.

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Speaker 1: Like Buffalo has a new stadium. It can still snow.

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Speaker 1: It's open air, but it is built to avoid the wind.

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Speaker 1: And their takeaway was, yeah, you think it's an advantage

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Speaker 1: we have, Josh Allen, we don't want thirty eight mile

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Speaker 1: hour wins helping the least effective offense. If you have

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Speaker 1: a great offense and you face a team with an

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Speaker 1: average offense, the bad weather hurts the great offense. It

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Speaker 1: brings you down to the bad teams level. So you know,

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Speaker 1: Buffalo's figured it out. It's like, we have too good

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Speaker 1: of a quarterback. We got to help our quarterback. It'll

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Speaker 1: still snow and that's part of who we are, and

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Speaker 1: it'll be cold, but we're not going to let in

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Speaker 1: forty mile hour wins to our stadium and kill our

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Speaker 1: kicking game and Josh Allen because the truth is, if

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Speaker 1: you look at Buffalo for the next seven years, they're

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Speaker 1: going to be leading ninety percent of the games they

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Speaker 1: play in the fourth quarter, at least the home games.

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Speaker 1: Saw tweet by RG three yesterday he said Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: made it to a Super Bowl before Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, Justin Herbert, Baker Mayfield, and Trevor Lawrence. I

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Speaker 1: think it's noteworthy that the two quarterbacks that make it

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Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl, one Drake May, is on a

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Speaker 1: rookie contract allowing New England to spend two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty million plus on their roster, and the other Sam Donald,

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Speaker 1: is on an incredibly team friendly deal. Josh Allen, Dak, Lamar, Herbert.

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Speaker 1: Their salaries eat up the cap. Sam Donald's salary in

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Speaker 1: Seattle is five percent of the Seahawks cap five percent.

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Speaker 1: Drake May's salary is three percent.

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Speaker 3: Of New England's cap.

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Speaker 1: You want to know what Lamar Jackson is next year

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Speaker 1: to the Ravens twenty four percent of their cap so

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Speaker 1: Seattle in New England's rosters. I've been saying this all day,

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Speaker 1: and I've been saying it for a while. There's no

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Speaker 1: holes in Seattle's roster. They're not great everywhere, but they're

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Speaker 1: not really. I mean, their all line, left side of

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Speaker 1: their O line I actually think is pretty good. Center,

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Speaker 1: right's okay, but there's no holes with Seattle. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: they need. New England similarly probably needs another draft on

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Speaker 1: the old line, but left tackles fine, guard they're pretty good.

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Speaker 1: So when you're everybody we want to talk about Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: go look at Patrick Mahomes last couple of teams. His

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Speaker 1: salary gobbles up the cap and their offensive line stink

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Speaker 1: and they have no run game. Why can't they just

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Speaker 1: go by Derrick Henry Well the salary. So I know

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Speaker 1: you all want to see your favorite player get paid,

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Speaker 1: get the bag, but it basically guarantees who had the

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Speaker 1: worst defense in the league, Dallas, who had the biggest

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Speaker 1: cap hit for a quarterback in the league. Go look

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Speaker 1: it up. So one of the advantages of having bo Nicks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at all these quarterbacks left, the final

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Speaker 1: four quarterbacks, even Stafford, none of them had a top

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Speaker 1: fifteen cap pit. Stafford was just outside of that. And

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Speaker 1: to a large degree, the Rams have just nailed draft.

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Speaker 1: So now what you have with Seattle is you have

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Speaker 1: a highly productive quarterback, Sam Darnold who's on a team

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Speaker 1: friendly deal and a GM that draft well. And what

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Speaker 1: you have in New England is a highly productive quarterback

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Speaker 1: on a rookie deal with a general manager that just

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Speaker 1: ace the draft. So Drake May and Sam Darnold are

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Speaker 1: not going anywhere. They are not for a long time.

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Speaker 1: They're not going anywhere the minute you pay. That's why

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Speaker 1: it's so important. When Josh Allen was on the rookie contract,

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Speaker 1: that's when you gotta win super Bowls. The next three

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Speaker 1: years for the Patriots, these are the years to eat.

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Speaker 1: New England's trying to do what Kansas City did in

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Speaker 1: Buffalo and Baltimore can't. It's movie poster stuff. Sam Donald

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Speaker 1: just so good. Sam Donald the first rookie quarterback in

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Speaker 1: that twenty eighteen class to make a super Bowl, and

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Speaker 1: I'll just say it right now, probably won't be his last.

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Speaker 1: Jamack With's the news.

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Speaker 2: Now is the herd line news.

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Speaker 8: I hope the audience can detect the glee and Colin.

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Speaker 9: That's Sam.

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Speaker 8: It's like one of his kids got into like Harvard

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Speaker 8: or something, and he's like celebrating it today. I'm happy

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Speaker 8: for you, buddy. All right, let's get started with that

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Speaker 8: ram Seahawks game. So Matt Stafford was incredible yesterday. I mean,

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Speaker 8: we three hundred and sixty five yards passing, flawless game.

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Speaker 9: I mean even ran the football.

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Speaker 8: That scrambled that he had, I mean looked like slow

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Speaker 8: motion awesome stuff from Stafford. Of course, after the game,

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Speaker 8: Sean McVay was asked if he expects Stafford to return

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Speaker 8: next season, and McVeigh was not thrilled with the question.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean that's I mean, if he if he

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Speaker 10: still wants to play. The whole kind of question is

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Speaker 10: that you have to ask him. I've been totally present.

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Speaker 10: I know that if he wants to, he's still playing

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Speaker 10: at a pretty damn good clip.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's the MVP of the league. And if

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Speaker 3: he's not, you.

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Speaker 10: Know, I mean, I got respect for everybody else, but

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Speaker 10: this guy played at a level.

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Speaker 3: This is different.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you that that draft, excuse me, that

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Speaker 1: drive by Stafford, the one in which he ran for

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Speaker 1: a first down and then moved to the right and

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Speaker 1: pitched to Puka.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't want to be hyperbolic, but I was

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Speaker 3: thinking sitting there, you and I have watched we.

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Speaker 1: Watched a lot of Rams football and talk a lot

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Speaker 1: about it off the air and on and I was thinking, literally, Stafford,

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Speaker 1: more than any drive this season, had to go completely

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Speaker 1: into his toolbag. He's like, Okay, I'm gonna run for

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Speaker 1: a first down, all right. He doesn't do a lot

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Speaker 1: of that pitching stuff. He doesn't do. He doesn't scramble.

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Speaker 1: He's a pocket quarterback, even more than golf. And for

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Speaker 1: him to do that reminded me of the Niners. Remember

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Speaker 1: when they lost a couple of weeks ago to Seattle.

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Speaker 1: They ran that trick play on fourth and one. You

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Speaker 1: can't just go toe to toe with Seattle on everything.

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Speaker 1: The defense is too fast, too young, to twitchy. That

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Speaker 1: you have to do. You have to have motion. That's

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Speaker 1: why the Rams are uniquely built. To play with this

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Speaker 1: Seattle team, you need me Bay's brain, Stafford's arm. I mean,

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Speaker 1: both the Rams running backs Jason were fantastic yesterday and

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Speaker 1: they still.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't beat him.

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Speaker 8: Listen, I mean, this is not sour grapes at all,

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Speaker 8: but I guess when you say that, it probably is.

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Speaker 8: I think the Rams are still the better team and

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Speaker 8: I think with Stafford back next year, they're probably the

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Speaker 8: super Bowl favorites in the NFC. I don't care really

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Speaker 8: who wins the Super Bowl. I think the Rams are just.

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Speaker 9: A better team. Great coach, great quarterback.

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Speaker 8: You have a muffed punt on special teams and a

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Speaker 8: fourth down failure, and like that's the game. I mean,

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Speaker 8: Stafford was flawless, as you said that driving wasn't fourteen

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Speaker 8: plays eighty four yards or something like that.

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Speaker 1: But I remember we have a graphic when you go

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Speaker 1: to third down. You know, Matt deserves the MVP. I've

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Speaker 1: said that he is the MVP of the league, period.

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Speaker 1: But on third down yesterday, Darnold was great.

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Speaker 9: I think, yeah, Rams are like one of eight on

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Speaker 9: third down.

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Speaker 8: I actually go back to the week sixteen game, Colin,

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Speaker 8: because again they're rolling Seattle with eight minutes left, fluky

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Speaker 8: punt return, the two point conversion bounces off, so many

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Speaker 8: things had to go right for Seattle to get home

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Speaker 8: field advantage. If this game is so FI yesterday, come on,

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Speaker 8: Rams are winning that. So I mean, congrats obviously to

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Speaker 8: the Seahawks.

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Speaker 9: But I think.

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Speaker 8: Stafford returns next year, and I think the Rams are

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Speaker 8: probably the Super Bowl favorites coming out of the NFC.

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Speaker 8: I don't know how you could argue against. Let's go

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Speaker 8: to another aspect of this Rams game, and that was

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Speaker 8: Cooper Cup.

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Speaker 9: Now Coward did call me after.

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Speaker 8: This catch by Cooper Cup, and I was like, wait

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Speaker 8: a sec, did he complete the process?

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Speaker 9: Watch?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 8: That wasn't it. Sorry, But on the pivotal third down,

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Speaker 8: everybody thought either he.

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Speaker 9: Was short or he dropped the ball when he hit

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Speaker 9: the ground.

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Speaker 3: I thought, and this is it right here, it is here.

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Speaker 1: It is so all we were told last week you

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Speaker 1: have to complete the process. That's why the Denver Broncos

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Speaker 1: got that interception. Well, that's not completing the process. The

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Speaker 1: ground causes. So we've all been told for the last

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Speaker 1: week you've got to complete the ground. You've got to

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Speaker 1: complete the process. So forget the first down part. The

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Speaker 1: ground causes a jarring.

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Speaker 9: Of the ball.

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Speaker 3: He did not complete the process.

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Speaker 8: Man, And now McVeigh wanted to challenge it. I think

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Speaker 8: Warren Sharp wrote about this. Yeah, now his shoulder was down.

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Speaker 8: It looked inches short. According to the broadcast, like the

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Speaker 8: referees were basically saying, don't challenge this, you know, blah

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Speaker 8: blah blah, and McVeigh didn't at any rate.

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Speaker 9: It gets uglier.

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Speaker 8: Apparently there was some beef at the end of the

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Speaker 8: Cooper Cup tenure with the Rams. Yeah. Now, Michael Silver

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Speaker 8: of The Athletic is reporting that the Rams urged Cup

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Speaker 8: to retire instead of offering to restructure his contract. There's allegations,

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Speaker 8: let's just make it, allegations that they were trying to

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Speaker 8: influence the market and essentially telling teams to stay away

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Speaker 8: from him, and they're and they're eluding that because he

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Speaker 8: had stuff left in the tank.

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Speaker 9: So I don't know, I don't really want to get

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Speaker 9: too deep.

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Speaker 8: Into that because it's a lot of like he said,

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Speaker 8: she said, Cooper Cup was very good yesterday.

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Speaker 9: I have to say he was strong. He didn't have

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Speaker 9: a great season.

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Speaker 3: No, he was very good.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he was good yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Athlete he pride for I thought it was time to

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Speaker 1: move off him. I thought the Rams were, you know,

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Speaker 1: smart to move off him. I gotta tell you, I

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Speaker 1: watched that game. I could list twenty players in that game,

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Speaker 1: twenty between the two teams. I consider elite players. Twenty.

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there during the game and I'm just, you know,

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Speaker 1: like you probably do. I'm sitting there jotting stuff and

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Speaker 1: writing some notes, which I this is what I do

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Speaker 1: on you know, Sundays, I write notes and so I

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Speaker 1: do my podcast stuff. And I'm sitting there just writing

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Speaker 1: down players. And you get to like seventeen or eighteen,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, damn, where's Nate Lambman?

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Speaker 3: Is he seventeen the best player in this game?

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Speaker 2: He's fantastic.

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Speaker 3: It's just so many good players.

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Speaker 9: Again, these are allegations.

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Speaker 8: I will just say the fact that Cooper Cup, I

684
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Speaker 8: know he was an Eastern Washington guy like you. The

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Speaker 8: fact that he went to a division rival and they

686
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Speaker 8: targeted him a lot yesterday, it makes me wonder if

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Speaker 8: there's some veracity here. And I was like, hey, screw

688
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Speaker 8: those guys. They tried to mess with me, and now

689
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Speaker 8: let's get him back.

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Speaker 9: So I don't know.

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Speaker 8: Interesting story. Final story. Is this just breaking today? I

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Speaker 8: guess Philip Rivers, who apparently was interviewing for the Bill's

693
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Speaker 8: head coaching job, he has withdrawn his name from consideration.

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Speaker 8: I didn't understand any of this, but Rivers has decided

695
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Speaker 8: the head coaching job in Buffalo was not for him.

696
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Speaker 8: Maybe his family interview. I have no idea this is

697
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Speaker 8: all very crazy. I got to be honest, I don't

698
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Speaker 8: know what Buffalo's doing. Brandon Bean is running the search.

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Speaker 8: Here's other names that are in the mix with Philip

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Speaker 8: Rivers out of it, Joe Brady, the OC, Brian Dabole,

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Speaker 8: the former also important.

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Speaker 3: One of those.

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Speaker 1: I think it's found one of those two guys. And

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Speaker 1: I think Philip Rivers was interviewing because Philip Rivers wants

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Speaker 1: to be a coach. But Philip Rivers wanted to go

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Speaker 1: through the interviews. I've been told this my entire life.

707
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Speaker 1: When I was doing this for a living, people say, hey,

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Speaker 1: go for interviews. If you don't want the job, or

709
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Speaker 1: you do, or you don't think you're going to get it,

710
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Speaker 1: just go interview.

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Speaker 9: Get your name out of.

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Speaker 1: That, just get practice at I think Philip Rivers was

713
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Speaker 1: going through the interview process, sharpening his blade for when

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Speaker 1: it's a perfect time to do it.

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Speaker 9: So I'm with you.

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Speaker 8: I think it'll be Daboll or Brady. I'm just gonna

717
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Speaker 8: put this out there from one of my buddies in Buffalo.

718
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Speaker 8: The Bean McDermott thing ended very badly, and there is

719
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Speaker 8: a sentiment that Bean's gonna want to say, I don't

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Speaker 8: want anybody who's attached to McDermott or who knows him

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Speaker 8: because of how ugly it got, and Bean maybe goes

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Speaker 8: outside of the family, if you will.

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Speaker 9: Here are the other names.

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Speaker 8: Lou Amaruno, the defensive coordinator from the Colts, Jacksonville Jags

725
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Speaker 8: OC Grant Udinsky, who's gaining momentum among reporters. I don't

726
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Speaker 8: know anything about this guy. Dolphins DC Anthony Weaver, and

727
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Speaker 8: Commander's running backs coach Anthony Lynn Chargers. Fans will hope

728
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Speaker 8: that happens. I'll leave it at that. Any final thoughts

729
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Speaker 8: on the Bills, this was a great job.

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Speaker 3: Colin.

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Speaker 1: I would probably go Vrabel. I think it's hard to

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Speaker 1: bring sorry, sorry, what a day ball?

733
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Speaker 3: Excuse me?

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Speaker 4: Jabel? Okay.

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Speaker 1: I think it's very hard to hire Brady because you're

736
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Speaker 1: gonna basically say, well, what's the change here. I mean

737
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Speaker 1: he was already a on the staff that drove us crazy.

738
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Speaker 1: He was on the staff where Josh Allen had all

739
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Speaker 1: those turnovers against Buffalo. I think that's a harder hire.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it would be a bad hire. A

741
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Speaker 1: Dabol I think is like Robert Solid to me, both

742
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Speaker 1: failed in New York.

743
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Speaker 3: I think both are very good coaches.

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Speaker 1: I think failing in New York's almost become a badge

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Speaker 1: of honor. You know, we good Sam Darnold's career, So

746
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Speaker 1: Brian Dabel would be my hire. I don't necessarily know.

747
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Speaker 1: I think Brady would be fine, but it's a harder

748
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Speaker 1: sell to the fan base if that matters at all.

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Speaker 8: By the way, Joe Brady, for the record, was amazing

750
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Speaker 8: with Joe Burrow in college, amazing with Josh Allen in

751
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Speaker 8: the NFL. And I will just advise people to go

752
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 8: look at what he did when he didn't have a.

753
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Speaker 9: Superstar quarterback, namely in Carolina.

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Speaker 1: J Mack with the News, well that's the news, and

755
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News Drew Brees

756
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: is stopping by Matt Hasselbeck was fantastic. Sounds like Matt

757
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Speaker 1: Hasselbeck had himself a good time in the Emerald City.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people did in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: It's the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: in noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 8: Friday Hoops Yuxcel Lenderborg leads third rank Michigan as they

764
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Speaker 8: continue their fight for the top spot in the nation

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Speaker 8: against Tom Izzo's tenth rank Michigan State squad Friday night,

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Speaker 8: eight Eastern only on Fox.

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Speaker 9: That's a great one.

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Speaker 3: For the record.

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking about this this off season. It

770
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Speaker 1: was before I swear it was before Sam Darnold had

771
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Speaker 1: signed with Seattle. He was still a Viking. And I

772
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Speaker 1: was in Rhode Island, in a little town that I

773
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Speaker 1: hang out with, you know sometimes in the summer, and

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Speaker 1: there was a big there was a big wedding. Was

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Speaker 1: it this year or the year before? I forget and

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Speaker 1: I and I'm walking down the street. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it s he's Sam Darnald. And I've known Sam for

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Speaker 1: a while, and uh, and they just walk up to

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Speaker 1: him start talking. You would have no idea that Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold was this really super talented athlete.

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Speaker 3: He was in like a T shirt. He's just walking around. Yeah,

782
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Speaker 3: I'm here for the wedding, and we.

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Speaker 1: Just made small talk. It's just the easiest guy in

784
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Speaker 1: the world to root for. Great family kid comes from

785
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: like Oceanside, California, beach community.

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Speaker 3: I think they're the Tritons. I think that's what their

787
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: name is.

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Speaker 1: He's just a really good kid from a really good family.

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Speaker 1: He was loved at USC and I mean all you

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00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: need to know is, you know, Minnesota wanted to keep Darnald.

791
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Speaker 1: But the question became is they had drafted JJ McCarthy

792
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Speaker 1: and they gave up two picks to do it. So

793
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Speaker 1: what are you going to not give JJ McCarthy a

794
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: couple And also is that Sam came off a great season.

795
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Speaker 1: You know, Sam wanted to be paid and should be paid.

796
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Speaker 1: So but I think Sam's really smart and I think

797
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Speaker 1: he looked at Seattle's roster. He's a West Coast kid.

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00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: He would get him come pete against California teams. So

799
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Speaker 1: just a really some athletes. I mean, most athletes I

800
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: meet professionally are hard working, really good people. Ninety nine

801
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Speaker 1: percent of pro athletes I meet are really good people

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Speaker 1: like you root for. It's hard to root against their

803
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: occasional athletes who are like, yeah, if that guy fubbles

804
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: on a big spot, well I won't lose sleep over it.

805
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,479
Speaker 1: Donald's one of the really good guys. But here's Matt

806
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Speaker 1: Hasselback earlier on Sam Donald.

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Speaker 4: You know, people will doubt Sam Donald.

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Speaker 6: He's not as super fiery, his emotions aren't out there

809
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Speaker 6: for everyone to see.

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Speaker 4: I think he's got a quiet confidence.

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Speaker 6: And in that game, you know, he threw for nineteen

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Speaker 6: first downs in that game, so this wasn't I mean,

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Speaker 6: there were some huge third down conversions, two minute drive,

814
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 6: situational football, the stuff that quarterbacks you know, get paid

815
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Speaker 6: to do. It's not so much first and second down

816
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Speaker 6: from the twenty to the twenty. It's situational football. And

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Speaker 6: that's where I thought he was at his best yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know that Sam threw for nineteen first

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Speaker 1: downs against that front. And for the record, the weakness

820
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: of Seattle is their own line. The left side of

821
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Speaker 1: their old lining is pretty good. Charles cross Gray's abel.

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Speaker 1: I don't think those guys are studs. But I kept

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Speaker 1: thinking this watching this game. Is the NFL just keeps delivering.

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00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: That's all it does. The NFL just keeps giving us

825
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: unbelievable finishes, unbelievable games. And in every big game, have

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Speaker 1: you ever noticed something, there's always a controversial call. There

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00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: are a couple in this game, folks. Athletes aren't perfect.

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Speaker 1: These games are hard to officiate. You have fifty eight

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Speaker 1: year old sixty two year old men officials who work

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Speaker 1: at banks full time running around chasing athletes, and unlike

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Speaker 1: you and I, they don't get nine looks at it.

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00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: Everything is bang bang Like one of the reasons I've

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00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: had officials come up to me and say thank you

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Speaker 1: for defending us folks.

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Speaker 3: You and I get slow mo. You and I get

836
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Speaker 3: nine looks at it.

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Speaker 1: They're running around the field in their mid fifties trying

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Speaker 1: to be in position, and the play is anythang call it.

839
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Speaker 1: But by the way, with bodies all over the place,

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Speaker 1: this stuff is anybody can sit on the internet via

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Speaker 1: troll and rip officials when you I'm watching that game yesterday,

842
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: the speed of that game, the athleticism in that game,

843
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Speaker 1: that game.

844
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Speaker 3: Is hard to officiate.

845
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Speaker 1: And then in Denver ad snow so I'm like wiping,

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Speaker 1: I can't see. I think, by and large, the officials.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Denver Buffalo interception's weird. I did think

848
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Speaker 1: Cooper Cup yesterday. My take is, well, you told me

849
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Speaker 1: the ground can't cause a fumble. Well, I just I

850
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: was lectured on that and that's what I just saw.

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Speaker 1: That's not the difference in the game I mean the

852
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: game really came down to the muff punt. I mean

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00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: that really ends up being the game. Now, the Rams

854
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: came right back. Stafford boom boom, boom. Three perfect passes,

855
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Speaker 1: but that that hurt. I mean credit to the Rams

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Speaker 1: for not going completely belly up after that. They got

857
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Speaker 1: the ball, came back and score. Efford made three just darts.

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00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: I mean that passed to Pooka just over was it

859
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: was it Pooka a tight end, just over the corner's hands.

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Speaker 3: One of the passes of the year.

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Speaker 1: And in terms of New England and Denver, people are

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Speaker 1: going to crush Sean Peyton for the play call, but

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00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: McVeigh went four on fourth and four. I just I

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Speaker 1: am reticent to crush offensive coaches. They believe in their

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Speaker 1: play calls, they believe in their players. Here's hassel Back

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Speaker 1: on Sean Peyton going for it on fourth down early

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Speaker 1: in the game.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we don't have it. I'm just rambling. I'm out

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Speaker 3: of time. I got Drew Brees around in the corner.