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Speaker 2: What is going on everybody? Hopefully everyone's enjoying November. And

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Speaker 2: if you're Sam Darnald, you probably have a massive smile

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Speaker 2: And if you're Jade and Daniels. While I'm recording this,

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Speaker 2: Today I'm excited, Well, actually I'm not because we just

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was just we had better matchups regardless, start

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Speaker 2: start with the way that thing essentially ended, and it

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Speaker 2: was with Jaden Daniels elbow pointing the other way. Not

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Speaker 2: Because so much of what we talk about defining an

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Speaker 2: just learned from Mike Shanahan, Gary Kubiak and Kyle Shanahan,

435
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Speaker 2: so kind of knows what he's doing. And I'm just

436
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Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks man. The NFC West at the top

437
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 2: is just really good. You know, it's technically a three

438
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Speaker 2: horse race right now, with the forty nine ers the

439
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Speaker 2: Rams in Seattle, having the forty nine ers beat Seattle

440
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Speaker 2: in the Rams. The forty nine ers have too many

441
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Speaker 2: injuries today. It looks like they lost their first round pick,

442
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: Michael Williams, the big kind of hybrid defensive lineman from

443
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: joy Or just to an ACL. So that would mean

444
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 2: they lost Fred Warner to a broken foot, They lost

445
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Speaker 2: Nick Bosa to an ACL, and they lost their first

446
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: round pick pass rusher, slash run defender to ACL. You

447
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: just they're at the point now you just don't overcome

448
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 2: that now, I still think the forty nine ers with

449
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,239
Speaker 2: their schedule, can get to nine to ten wins and

450
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Speaker 2: be the seventh seed. But I think the Rams in Seattle,

451
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Speaker 2: and they play the Rams this week, and you know,

452
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers are gonna have no business beating

453
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Speaker 2: them with the roster they're rolling out now. Mac Jones

454
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Speaker 2: has done a commendable job, and it's it's been a

455
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Speaker 2: coaching clinic by Kyle Shanahan and Robert sal to be

456
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 2: at six and three with the roster they're rolling out.

457
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: I mean, look at the Giants, who essentially had the

458
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 2: same thing. A bunch of injured guys, young guy quarterback,

459
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: random guys playing wide receiver and can't function at all.

460
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Speaker 2: So it's been commendable.

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Speaker 1: But I I.

462
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Speaker 2: Just think Seattle and the Rams, and honestly, I might

463
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Speaker 2: put my money on Seattle. They feel a little bit

464
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Speaker 2: more explosive just as a team now are obviously pretty good,

465
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 2: but Seattle five to one. I always thought preseason felt

466
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: like something was off about those odds, something was really

467
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: off that they've been winning double digit games. If Sam

468
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: Darnald and a lot of it was the unknown at quarterback,

469
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Speaker 2: well you watch him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, who are the Pro Bowl guys in

472
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Speaker 2: the NFC? Baker, Jalen Hurts is having a good year,

473
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Speaker 2: Stafford Donald. This is the level we're talking that the

474
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Speaker 2: quarterback play in the NFC. When you when you look

475
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Speaker 2: at the guys that are gonna make the playoffs, Baker Mayfield,

476
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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, Matt Stafford, Sam Donald, mac Jones, Brock Purty

477
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Speaker 2: like it's who am I leaving out? Jordan Love, Jared

478
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Speaker 2: Goff gotta be a good quarterback. So it might not

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Speaker 2: be Mahomes and Josh Allen like the all time great

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famers, but it's it's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: So congrats to Seattle. Okay.

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Speaker 2: To me, it can't truly be a rivalry until one

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Speaker 2: team wins one of the men eating full games. And

516
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Speaker 2: this does have a chance to be a great NFL rivalry, right,

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Speaker 2: But I think we have seen matchups definitely. I'll just

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Speaker 2: go in my life, like when you close your eyes,

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Speaker 2: You would say, like, oh, Patrick Ewings Knicks and Reggie

521
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Speaker 2: Miller's Pacers. Well, last time I checked, whenever they would

522
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Speaker 2: play those teams, Michael's team would win. So it's like, yeah,

523
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 2: the games were really good and it was entertaining, but

524
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: we act like this was a back and forth situation.

525
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Speaker 2: It was like, no, it was kind of one sided, right,

526
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Speaker 2: Like people like Tiger and Phil. No, Phil never be Tiger, Like,

527
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 2: whenever they were matched up, Tiger dominated him. Now, they

528
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: both had a lot of individual success separate from each other,

529
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: but whenever it mattered and they were both in the mix,

530
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: Tiger won, so they were contemporaries. They both stacked up

531
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: crazy accomplishments, obviously Tiger more than one of the other,

532
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 2: and made a lot of money, but they were not rivals.

533
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: Part of Tiger's mystique. He didn't have a rival.

534
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: That's what made Tom Brady pretty interesting, is like, it's

535
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: gonna be Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Well, trust me

536
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: as someone that loved Peyton Manning and junior high and

537
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: early on in college, it was a one sided thing.

538
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: The Patriots owned Peyton Manning and the Colts they couldn't

539
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 2: beat him until two thousand and six, and that's when

540
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: it officially became a rivalry.

541
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: It's like the.

542
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: Yankees Red Sox. It's a great rivalry, but it felt

543
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: pretty one sided. It felt like, yeah, the Yankees always

544
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: won championships and the Red Sox never did until two

545
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 2: thousand and four. And I think sometimes you need a

546
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: moment to happen when it has to happen in January.

547
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: And there's no disputing that the Bills have played the

548
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: Chiefs really well, and this matchup through nine games over

549
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: the last six years or whatever has been very entertaining

550
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: to watch. But when We've beat you five times and

551
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: they're all regular season games, and you've beat us four

552
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: times and they're all in the playoffs. It's hard to

553
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: put much validity in those five wins because today I

554
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: thought the Bills kind of worked the Chiefs. They dominated

555
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: that game.

556
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: They were in complete.

557
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: Control, They were up two scores in the fourth quarter.

558
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: It took a fourth and seventeen, which, of course Andy

559
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 2: has a play to get a guy wide open on

560
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: a fourth and fucking seventeen, But it took that to

561
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: even get them to be a one score game late

562
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, like the Chiefs kind of got manhandled,

563
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: which again they would say this happened to was before

564
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: the regular season. We have lost these guys literally, I

565
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: think five straight years. But is there any person that

566
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: would bet on the Bills to beat them in the

567
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: playoffs now? Hopefully, just as a lover of sports and

568
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,239
Speaker 2: as a lover of legacies and just the how we

569
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: talk about these guys in historical contexts, I want this

570
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: to be meaningful and I want Josh and the Bills

571
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: to take them down. But they have to for this

572
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: game to actually mean something, because right now, it's like, Okay,

573
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: they beat them, again in the regular season. We've seen

574
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: that song and dance.

575
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: And over and over again.

576
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: And listen, if the Bills played the Chiefs like they

577
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: do all these other teams, they would never lose, They

578
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: would never lose a game. But I just a couple

579
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: weeks ago, we watched the Bills playing the Falcons, Like,

580
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: what's going on? Well, if they played this Chiefs game

581
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 2: against the Atlanta Falcons, they win by twenty points, So

582
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: clearly the Bills can get up for Kansas City. But

583
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: and they needed this game because the Patriots had won

584
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, It's like we don't have a

585
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: lead where we'd be down a game and they've already

586
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: beat us. We'd be talking like what is going on

587
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: with the Bills?

588
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Speaker 1: Today was big for them.

589
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: You gain some momentum, you know, Kansas City. Now you

590
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: get a bye week, you're five, and you know five

591
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: and four, it's out the end of the world by

592
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: any means, but uh, it's gonna be really difficult to

593
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: win the division. But at the end of the day,

594
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: like you're not afraid to go on the road and

595
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: you know, be a six seed, but if you're the Bills,

596
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: like you're gonna have to get the monkey off your

597
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: back if you ever want to be taken seriously as

598
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: like the team that we want you to be, like

599
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: a super Bowl contender, Like you're a super Bowl contender

600
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: because you're always good and have a lot of wins.

601
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: But whenever you play this team when it matters, it

602
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: doesn't go your way. As I'm rooting for that to happen.

603
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: I want to see their Peyton Manning No. Six come

604
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: back against Kansas City. It's what would make this create

605
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: a rivalry because right now there's just there isn't one.

606
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: There's a regular season winning streak, which which is cool

607
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: and impressive to watch.

608
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Speaker 1: A couple other things.

609
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Speaker 2: I want to give some game balls out, I mean

610
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: some some of the defensive performances today. I can imagine

611
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: that Brian Flores on Wednesday night or Wednesday when he

612
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: got in front of his defensive unit and kind of

613
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: gave out the game plan preached all week and then

614
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: obviously the night before the game Saturday night, when he

615
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: probably gives it, gives like an impassioned thought on the

616
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: game before everyone breaks to go to bed. We got

617
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: to win this game. We can't put this on the

618
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: offense or this young quarterback. We need to step our

619
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Speaker 2: shit up and we're gonna play the game that we

620
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: played last year all the time and kick asden take names,

621
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: and they brought it from the jump. Now it turns

622
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: out JJ made some of the best plays of his career.

623
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Speaker 1: Obviously his career is pretty short.

624
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: But multiple nice touchdown passes. The one to Jefferson first

625
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: TV of the game was fantastic. His touchdown run was nice.

626
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously he's a good athlete and he had

627
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: the game winning pass, but the defensive effort and the

628
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: energy you could see Flores on the sideline like this

629
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Speaker 2: was this was a line in the sand game, like

630
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: we got a show. We lose this game, our season's over.

631
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Speaker 2: It's just pack it in. Let's just keep fighting for pride.

632
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: But we're not going to the playoffs, Like we're not

633
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: going anywhere. And they came out on the road against

634
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: the Lions, who coming into this game I would have said,

635
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: it's definitely a Super Bowl contender and kind of dominated them.

636
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: I mean, really did took it to him on the road.

637
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: Flores and JJ McCarthy, they definitely deserve some game balls.

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Speaker 1: I would say.

639
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Speaker 2: The other guy is he's taken a lot of heat,

640
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: and you know Mike Tomlin takes a lot of heat too,

641
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: But like when it ever comes to scheme, people like, well,

642
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: Mike's just delegating Terrell Austin. We could have just elevated Flores.

643
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: There was a moment and I mentioned this to Colin.

644
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: The culture up seven to nothing and they're driving. It's

645
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: like fourteen plays. I think they had like ten plays

646
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: to gain like twenty yards. The drive was taken forever,

647
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: but they were just like, they'll probably kick a field

648
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: goal here. They have complete control of this game. It'll

649
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: be ten to nothing, and it don't feel like the

650
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: Steelers season is is gonna about to take a turn

651
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: for the worst. And it was the moment where you're like,

652
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: they're gonna lose this game, and all of a sudden,

653
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: this is when the Ravens really make their charge the

654
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: next couple weeks and we look up and the Steelers

655
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: just completely fell apart.

656
00:33:59,200 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: And then TJ.

657
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: Will comes around the left edge and sacks the quarterback,

658
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: force the fumble and they get it and the Steelers

659
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: never look back. And I can't imagine Tomlin, Terrell Austin, Heyward, TJ.

660
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: Watt.

661
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: This was it man, this was a kitchen sink game

662
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: for your defense that you're playing this offense that is

663
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: that looks like the ninety nine Rams. I mean, they're

664
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 2: just scoring at will, they're punting at a historically low clip,

665
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: they're running back. Looks like he's on a pace to

666
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: like match LT for the greatest fantasy performance of all time,

667
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 2: and like twenty eight touchdowns. It's like you're just really

668
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: about to get worked at home by Daniel Jones and

669
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: the Colts.

670
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: And TJ.

671
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: Watt said, not so fast, my friend. And when I

672
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: pay guy one hundred million dollars a year the team captain,

673
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: sometimes I need you to just put my team, put

674
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 2: my organization on your back and say fuck it. We

675
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: might go down, but I'm gonna do something about this

676
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: if we do go down. And even JJ Watt, who

677
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: calls a ton of Steeler games, it's like, sometimes just

678
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: need your best player to make a play.

679
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: And TJ didn't. It completely flip the game. And then

680
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: the entire unit started to dominate. I think you know

681
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: high Smith.

682
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: Had multiple multiple sacks. Uh Cam Hayward was flying around.

683
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: They had I think they sacked them five times. They

684
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: hit him a couple other times. They had a multiple

685
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: picks that caused multiple fumbles. I think they had five turnovers.

686
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: And it was just on like Donkey Kong, and they

687
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: were coming at him from every angle and they were

688
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: hitting Daniel Jones over and over and over again. And

689
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: the reason the Steelers have lost the last couple of

690
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 2: weeks is because their pass rush has been non existent.

691
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: It really had. It's one thing on a Thursday night game.

692
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 2: It's another thing on a long, you know, ten day break.

693
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 2: They didn't have a sack of Jordan Love and they

694
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 2: started destroying him today and their best players at the

695
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: tone And sometimes sports isn't that complicated. Like whoever I'm

696
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: paying the most, I'm just in desperate need for him

697
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: to do something like you watch the Warriors sometimes like

698
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: shit's hitting the fan, Like hey Steph, just just figure

699
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: it out, heyo, Tani, Like I just need to hit

700
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: a couple of bombs today. We are struggling, you know,

701
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: And it happens all the time in other sports. It

702
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: happens all the time in football. And the Steelers were

703
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: their backs were against the wall, and TJ. Watt made sure,

704
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 2: honestly he was. He was the catalyst to get him going.

705
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: And offensively then that he doesn't have to do much.

706
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: And Rodgers has been a good, good player.

707
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: For him, he has not. It's been the defense.

708
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 2: And then the defense came to play today and made

709
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: plays after play after play.

710
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, I gave JJ a one.

711
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: I would say this for Caleb sometimes the same thing

712
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: with JJ, Like I I can live with crappy plays,

713
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: you know, Caleb, sometimes it's this first read is not there.

714
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: He starts scrambling around and it just becomes like a

715
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 2: chaotic play that turns out to be nothing. If you're

716
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 2: gonna give me explosive down the field plays, touch down passes,

717
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: touchdown runs. He caught a touchdown today. It's like, I

718
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: can live with negatives if you're giving me a lot

719
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: of positives. I don't mind an interception in a game

720
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: if you average three touchdowns. You know, I just can't

721
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: live with no touchdowns. In turnovers, right, Patrick Mahomes, I

722
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 2: can't have you know, late second half turnovers that those

723
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: kill you. You can't overcome them, right and listen, he's he's

724
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: not an uncriticizable player. Like he made a pass today

725
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: that put his team in a compromised situation. He threw

726
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 2: it up way down the field to a really fast guy,

727
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: but triple coverage and it was a pick. It was

728
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: a devastating blow to their hopes of, you know, winning

729
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 2: that game. And you know, Kayleb Williams did not turn

730
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: the ball over day, but he also just made some

731
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: explosive plays. He does some things that make you scratch

732
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: your head. But there was a moment today where it's like, Okay,

733
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: we're playing the Bengals and it's your classic. We're gonna

734
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 2: need to score thirty five or forty points and can

735
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 2: we do it? And Ben Jonson and in his bag.

736
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: But Ben Johnson's been in his bag in some of

737
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 2: these games that they've lost. Today that wasn't the case.

738
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: So got to give a game ball to that offense

739
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: because they came through with some enormous plays. I mean,

740
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: a stat this pretty mind blowing. Is no team since

741
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, pretty sure it was the ninety six

742
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: Giants has lost back to back games was scoring thirty

743
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: eight or more points. I mean, in the NFL, that's

744
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: that makes sense. It's pretty hard. I would bet if

745
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: we did a study of the last twenty years, if

746
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 2: you just score thirty eight points at what clip? Do

747
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: you win ninety five percent of games? I mean, on average,

748
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: how often does a team score thirty nine points right?

749
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: One percent of the time. I mean, you're winning games

750
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: such a high clip, and you watch today, it's like

751
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: they couldn't stop us soul And even when they scored

752
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: to take the lead late in the game, I went,

753
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: they left too much time on the clip and a

754
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 2: couple of plays later Lovelands going like seventy yards for

755
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: a touchdown, which was just.

756
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes you need teams.

757
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: Like the Bengals that are just awesome watches. And I

758
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: don't even blame you know, some of these players in

759
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: the locker room after the game or being asked about

760
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: how crappy the defense is, like.

761
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: What is Jabar Chase supposed to say?

762
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just gotta keep up, keep working on our fundamentals,

763
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: just keep hammering home the scheme, keep up, keep working

764
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: hard in practice.

765
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: We're pros. It's real, like they're terrible. I never have

766
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: a problem, you know.

767
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: I bet the running back who also had like just

768
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: get off the fucking field was literally a quote, No Brown,

769
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: He's gonna get people like you can't you can't say

770
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: what like this happened back It happens one time. Keep

771
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: your mouth shot, Okay, happens back to back weeks. You

772
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: get an on side kick. Anytime you get an on

773
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: side kick and then score touchdown and still lose the game.

774
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 2: I saw I don't even know who it was, but

775
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: some big Bears fan online. So that went potentially from

776
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: the worst Bears loss of my entire life to one

777
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: of the most exhilarating wins in ninety seconds. I'm telling you,

778
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: today was if last week was a pretty big downer,

779
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: today was a pretty big upper.

780
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun.

781
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: Talk about a downer though I wasn't super locked into

782
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: this game. One it's Packers Panthers, doesn't exactly do it

783
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: for me. Two, I just assumed the Packers would win

784
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: even if they weren't super dialed in, like twenty three

785
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 2: to fifteen or something, and just win the game.

786
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: And he kept looking up.

787
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: It's like thirteen to six, thirteen to six. I remember

788
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 2: the halftime. I'm checking kind of the stat line. I'm like, God,

789
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 2: they're zero for four in the red zone, but they're

790
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: moving the ball.

791
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: It will like what is going on? And all of

792
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: a sudden, the longer.

793
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: Win it's like this kind of has it's a little

794
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: different the way we got there, but kind of the

795
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: Browns packer game, it's like this is starting to feel weird.

796
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: Something's a little off here.

797
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: And then you look up in the dust settles and

798
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 2: they lose the game. Now, the difference between the Browns

799
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 2: and the Panthers is like, Panthers are five and four,

800
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: so Browns are gonna win three games all season long.

801
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: The Panthers probably end up eight or nine wins like that.

802
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: They are respectable football team. But when you're playing the

803
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: Panthers at home and your coach comes out, which I

804
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: do respect, Like I don't think most coaches unless you

805
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: have little kids, which I would imagine Lafloor does's like

806
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: super dialed in for Halloween. Listen, I don't even like

807
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 2: Halloween really, right. I see some of like my friends

808
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 2: that I went to high school or college with, or

809
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: some of my wife's friends online, It's like I don't

810
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 2: have much in common with the person. Maybe I got

811
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: a change. I'm about to have a kid. I get

812
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: it's their super Bowl, so maybe I'll be wearing costumes.

813
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: But I haven't worn costumes. I never even did, Like.

814
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: In high school. I never cared. But again, I'm not

815
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: one to judge.

816
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: If you're wearing costumes, I'd probably be a huge hypocrite.

817
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: I'll be wearing costumes for the next decade with my children.

818
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna go to the floor and say

819
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: you don't, I think he was literally asked what you know,

820
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: what you excited for Halloween, and he gave the answer like,

821
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit about Halloween. I'm trying to

822
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: win a football game. If you're gonna be tough football guy,

823
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: you then gotta win the game, and you can't lose

824
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: the game. Especially when you look back, you're like, well

825
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: the Lions just lost. We'd be in the driver's seat

826
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: to win this division. It's like we just lost to

827
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: the Panthers. We tied the Cowboys. So every time that

828
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 2: I and I have a guy with a future just

829
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: Super Bowl appearance for the Packers, I do not feel good.

830
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 2: He can't trust him, he can't trust them. And then

831
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: on top of that, you lose Tucker Kraft, who is.

832
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: I don't even know how old he is.

833
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: My guest would be twenty four to twenty five. Gotta

834
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: be at his age range. One of the best players

835
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: in the league. Definitely one of the best up and

836
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: coming players in the league. So if he tore acl

837
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: that that is a that's a devastating loss. Now, they

838
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: did get a couple of weeks ago Watson backs of

839
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 2: their wide receiver rooms a little deeper, but Tucker Craft

840
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: is his chemistry with with the quarterback.

841
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: It's just been so awesome. So that's just I just

842
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: don't think you're sleeping much. I really don't. I don't

843
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: know if you're the Packers, like how you how you sleep?

844
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: You know, I don't.

845
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: And sometimes there are those games like that's one of

846
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: those that it's like, I just you're not gonna feel

847
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: good about this till, like you Wednesday. It's gonna be

848
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 2: a miserable office. I've been in some miserable offices over

849
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: the years. You know, for a couple of days after

850
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: a bad loss, that one will be up there.

851
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: Okay.

852
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882
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Speaker 2: get out of here. I me and Colin talked a

883
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: lot about the Denver Houston game. I guess my only

884
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: quick thoughts on that is bo Knicks can look just

885
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: horrendous for just such long stretches and then can make

886
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: one throw. You're like, ah, looks really good. So they

887
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 2: gotta find a way if they because now we're at

888
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: the point where, especially if they beat the Raiders on

889
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 2: Thursday night, the eight and two, the Broncos are gonna

890
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: end up with thirteen or fourteen wins, pretty good chance

891
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: they end up winning the division.

892
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: So it's all gonna be.

893
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 2: About like how far are you gonna go in the playoffs.

894
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 2: You cannot go far in the playoffs with your quarterback

895
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: being this inconsistent, And I do think they have to

896
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: find a way. And I know he hit a couple

897
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: of big passes today to just be more consistent in

898
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: the passing game, in the short intermediate game, and he

899
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: makes some throws where you're like, that is just horrendous.

900
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: But I will say this about bo Nicks. You saw

901
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: it today with JJ, you saw it with Caleb. These

902
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: guys show them some metal toughness. And in the Houston

903
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: Texans defense is no joke. That unit is legit. Will

904
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 2: Anderson's probably one of my favorite young players in the league.

905
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: He is a badass.

906
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 2: But some of these guys he's missing are wide open.

907
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: They're not all blanketed like dionn or revis Or in

908
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: their hip pocket. I mean, some of these guys are open.

909
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: If you can just complete the ball. You gotta find

910
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: a way to complete the ball because the Broncos are

911
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: just pulling game out of you know what. But hey,

912
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: you look up. If we saw last year the Chiefs

913
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 2: one fifteen, about thirteen of them were had no business winning,

914
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden they're in the Super Bowl.

915
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: So any means necessary. Okay, a couple quick things on college. Uh,

916
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: the night's late last night was awesome, and I miss

917
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: more traditional matchups in theory. Look I missed the PAC twelve.

918
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: I missed the Big Twelve with Oklahoma and Texas, right,

919
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 2: I missed some of the sanctity of what the Big

920
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: Ten used to look like before Maryland and Rutgers and

921
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: some of these teams joined Nebraska. But it is what

922
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 2: it is and we're never going back. So when you

923
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: turn on USC at Nebraska or Oklahoma at Tennessee, I

924
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: googled it, I'm like, uh, what your Tennessee go into

925
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: the SEC. They were an original member. They originally started

926
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: like the Southern Conference back in like either the late

927
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: eighteen hundred or the early nineteen hundreds. And when I

928
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: think of Oklahoma, I think of them playing Texas, Texas

929
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: A and m pre SEC, you know, up through the

930
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: Kansas States, the the you know, the.

931
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: Kind of that region.

932
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: And now they're playing Ole Miss in Tennessee and Bama

933
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: and LSU and Georgia and these matchups are awesome. So

934
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: we do get better matchups than we used to get.

935
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: So I just embrace it. And I was glued.

936
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 2: I thought the Oklahoma Tennessee game not the best played

937
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: offensive game you'll ever see. I mean, the Tennessee quarterback

938
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: was getting obliterated by Oakland's. Oklahoma's defense through a ton

939
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: of interceptions. I mean it was all over the map

940
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: and they were still right in that game. John Mattier

941
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 2: did not play well for periods of time in that game,

942
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,959
Speaker 2: made some big plays late, but that atmosphere was awesome. Oklahoma, now,

943
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: you know, got to be feeling pretty good about themselves.

944
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: Their defense is real. I mean they got dudes.

945
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: Even lank Kiffit said last week they might have one

946
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 2: of the best players in the country on that defense.

947
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: The pass rush is awesome. All their linebackers fly around,

948
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: dbs make plays on the ball. It was just a

949
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 2: very very entertaining game to watch. And then Nebraska and

950
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: USC it was like one big topic right now is

951
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: like LSU's governor came out and I think, you know,

952
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: people are trying to push to the Pete Damils of

953
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: the world, like we're gonna change the way we write

954
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: these contracts. I doubt it because it's like, Okay, if

955
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: you want me to come to LSU, or you want

956
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: me to come to Penn State, Like if I'm Matt Ruhle, well,

957
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: I have a job and they like me and they

958
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: will keep paying me to come. So if you to

959
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: get me to come, You're gonna have to incentivize me

960
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: to come. That's been a huge part of these buyouts. Right,

961
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: It's like, why did Lincoln Riley or Brian Kelly or

962
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 2: some of these guys both Fisher's contract look like they

963
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: look because those guys are at Oklahoma, Notre Dame Florida State.

964
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin does not need to leave Ole miss Right.

965
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 2: Matt Ruhle, Nebraska just gave him a two year, like

966
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 2: thirty million dollar extension. He doesn't need to leave. So

967
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, No, It's the most powerful thing you'll

968
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: ever be told in your entire life, from when you're

969
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: a little kid to when you start dating girls to

970
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: when you try to do business deals. No, not interested

971
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: if you really want whatever the other person has to sell,

972
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 2: whether that's you know, trying to get a date, trying

973
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: to get a job, right, try to you know, talk

974
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: to your children. No drives you nuts. And that creates

975
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 2: a lot of these markets that go nuts. Is because

976
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: those people whoever you're courting to be your coach, their

977
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: first statement is often no, not interested, even if they are,

978
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: and it's going to be fascinating.

979
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,479
Speaker 1: Everyone keeps talking about the biots are dead. Biots are dead.

980
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: We'll see because a lot of these guys do not

981
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: need to leave their job.

982
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: Let's use this as an example.

983
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: Kenny Dillingham here at Arizona State, the program he took

984
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 2: over from HERM Edwards. Some of these articles that are

985
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: coming out about Brian Kelly that he does not know

986
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: the names of some of his players. I know for

987
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 2: a fact HERM. Edwards didn't know the name of a

988
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: lot of his players. The program was an embarrassment, it

989
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: was a joke. It was I'd argue, untouchable. If you

990
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: were a coach with any options, ASU would be the

991
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 2: last job you would want. And it's not like Kenny

992
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 2: Dillingham had that many options. He wanted to become a

993
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 2: head coach. He else is from here. He went to

994
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 2: Chaperol High School, he went to Arizona State and started

995
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 2: his coaching career. That obviously sended him to bringing him

996
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 2: back in his mid to early thirties to be the

997
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 2: head coach. Well, you know, we talk a lot about

998
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 2: like some of these jobs. Can you hire a guy

999
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 2: without experience at the highest level in the Power four

1000
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: When you take a guy from a smaller school, it's

1001
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 2: a huge jump, and there really isn't parallels to when

1002
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 2: you're coaching in twenty twenty five at Boise State, at Tulane,

1003
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: at San Diego State, as there would be at LSU

1004
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: or Penn State.

1005
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: Beside football plays.

1006
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 2: And the sport played within the confines of a football field,

1007
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: and the amount of guys you could have on a

1008
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 2: team and on the field at one time, the business

1009
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: of paying coaches, of keeping players, and then out that

1010
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: none of it translates hiring a general manager and his

1011
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 2: entire staff. So I would always try to find a

1012
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 2: guy from a Power four conference, even if obviously Arizona

1013
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: State doesn't have that much in common with LSU football.

1014
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: This guy has still been playing people. Last year he

1015
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 2: made the playoffs. What Kenny Dillingham has done is really remarkable.

1016
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 2: And yesterday he beat Matt Campbell, who most people have

1017
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 2: said is like one of the top candidates for like

1018
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 2: seven straight years, for the second straight year. But this

1019
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: time he did it without his starting quarterback and his

1020
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: best NFL prospect the wide receiver and a starting quarterback

1021
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: ran for like almost two hundred and fifty yards because

1022
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago when he had to start

1023
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 2: the backup who had to start against Iowa State. He

1024
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 2: realized he can't throw, but he can run. So we

1025
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 2: changed the entire offense around this guy to run the ball,

1026
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 2: and it worked.

1027
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: In Arizona State won.

1028
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: So I'm watching a young, energetic guy who's passionate, who cares,

1029
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: who took a shit sandwich and turned into a pretty

1030
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 2: good chicken salad on a soured oh bun.

1031
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: That's gonna work. Now.

1032
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 2: Is Kenny Dillingham gonna leave Arizona State?

1033
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: Maybe not. I played golf with the guy a couple

1034
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: weeks ago.

1035
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: He's a big booster who said he lives on the

1036
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 2: same street as his sisters and his parents are right

1037
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: down the street. Like it's very family friendly, great place

1038
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: to live. But I know this, if I'm Penn State,

1039
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: if I'm LSU, if I'm Florida, I'm all over this

1040
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 2: guy because he's proving he can win at the power four,

1041
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 2: so the expectation is pretty high. He's playing other NFL players,

1042
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 2: other coaches that are making a ton, other rosters that

1043
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: have a lot of money, and he's beating them. He'd

1044
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 2: beat Texas Tech earlier this year. They have a twenty

1045
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 2: eight million dollars roster, So I just don't understand why,

1046
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 2: you know, I understand why.

1047
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: Lan Kiff is the top candidate.

1048
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 2: I could make the argument this guy should be number

1049
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 2: two beside the non like Urban Meyer Nick Saban, Like

1050
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 2: would I rather have if I'm LSU, Penn State or Florida?

1051
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 2: Would I seriously rather have Kenny Dillingham or John Gruden?

1052
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: What are we talking about? Are we serious?

1053
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 2: Are we having a real conversation? And the answer would

1054
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: be no. And last, but not least, Carson Beck. I

1055
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 2: don't think there's any guy that to start the season

1056
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 2: went WHOA, Maybe we were wrong, Maybe he's not that bad.

1057
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: In the first couple of weeks, like got Carson Beck

1058
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: looks pretty good.

1059
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: And Miami was most would consider the top team in

1060
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 2: the country. And Carson Beck look like an NFL player. Again,

1061
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: maybe not the first overall pick, but a guy you

1062
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 2: could take in the third round. Were last year I

1063
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 2: thought he was an undraftable player. And then he lost

1064
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: the game against Louisville and he immediately threw his wide receiver.

1065
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: Under the bus for running the wrong route.

1066
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: Then a couple weeks later he loses another game to

1067
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 2: SMU and more than likely knocks Miami out of the playoffs,

1068
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: and he immediately throws the offensive coordinator under the bus

1069
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: by saying that I don't call the plays. My job

1070
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: is to just execute them. What the defense did was

1071
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 2: pretty simple all game long. I don't think there's a

1072
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 2: guy in the country who, without getting in any trouble,

1073
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: not being arrested, doing anything shady off the field, got

1074
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: taken clearly off more.

1075
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: Draft boards than last night.

1076
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 2: Carson back maybe after the one time, like, hey, emotions

1077
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 2: are high, new team, say something stupid, you're young, we

1078
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 2: all regret it happens twice the month.

1079
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: Give me a break.

1080
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 2: Wouldn't touch this guy with a ten football regardless of

1081
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: what you think about him as a player, if we're

1082
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: just in agreement, like, yeah, he could be on an

1083
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 2: NFL roster next year, he could be a backup quarterback

1084
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: for five years, right, Okay, I don't want a guy

1085
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 2: who's not a starter, who will throw the quarterback or

1086
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: throw a wide receiver or throw a coach under the bus,

1087
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: like that's his first inclination. Which again, sometimes when you

1088
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 2: say it's on me or my responsibility or I screwed up,

1089
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 2: you don't even mean it.

1090
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: It's just what you say.

1091
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: It's like it's like the fakest thing that we all

1092
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 2: agree with, Like, yeah, it's not even your fault, but

1093
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 2: we get it.

1094
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: He can't even do that.

1095
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: He couldn't just back, yeah, we screwed up. He can

1096
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 2: you can even say we screwed up. No, he's bat Yeah,

1097
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 2: it's not my fault. Coach wide receiver, Like that's that's

1098
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: the one position where it's like, throw his name tag

1099
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 2: into the trash because that guy's taking himself immediately off

1100
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: draft boards, just in press conferences alone. Have a great night, audios,

1101
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: and uh let's have a week. Oh yeah, before we

1102
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 2: get out of here, I and I do got to

1103
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: tell you about my friends at hard Rock bet Monday

1104
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 2: Night Football, which we'll dive into in our reaction to

1105
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: Cardinals Cowboys, because I think we'll probably learn more with

1106
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: with Troy talking about Kyler, like the Kyler Murray just

1107
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 2: get benched, because that's kind of what we all think

1108
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: just happened. And I'm sure it'll be talked about tomorrow,

1109
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 2: which I think we all believe that's the case, but

1110
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: we'll find out tomorrow. Jacoby Brissett is the starter, and

1111
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: when he started, it's pretty clear. The Cardinals have been

1112
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: pretty good. They easily could have beat the Colts a

1113
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: couple weeks ago. They probably should have beat the Green

1114
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 2: Bay Packers. Like, he's played well and the Cowboys defense

1115
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 2: is not good, So you're giving me a field goal

1116
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: for Jacoby Brissett to go on the road with the Cardinals.

1117
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: I know Dak and the Cowboys offense is good, but

1118
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: I think I could see this being like a one

1119
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: point game and Jacoby throwing multiple touchdowns. So give me

1120
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: the Cardinals plus three tomorrow in Dallas. The volume mm

1121
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: hmm