1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Oh good, come on, core, or he held it out 2 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: there so high. See if you can do this? 3 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: Is like when you had the pro players and they 4 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: hold their basketball caps and they're just toying with the 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: little kids. 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 3: Even for longtime observers, there's something unique about what they're 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 3: witnessing this season in the NBA, sports commentators can barely 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 3: contain their excitement. Twenty year old Victor wembin Yama has 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 3: big time potential. The French basketball phenom has quickly made 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 3: his mark on the NBA, and when you watch his 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 3: combination of size, skill, and athleticism, it's clear he is 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 3: a sensational talent and all that talent translates to big money. Wemby, 13 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 3: as he is known to his fans, is on a 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: trajectory that could lead him to be the first professional 15 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 3: basketball player to earn one billion dollars on the court. 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 3: And earning all this money just from playing the game 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 3: is a big deal. While several other basketball players have 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 3: hit this figure through off court ventures like endorsements and investments, 19 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: Wemby could be the first to do it on the hardwood. 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 3: When you talk to him about all this hype, as 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's Randall Williams recently did It's clear he knows he's 22 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: got his work cut out for him. 23 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 4: When was the moment you realize you made Did I 24 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 4: make it? 25 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: Though? I'm not sure. 26 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: Today on the show, we'll look at how Wemby could 27 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 3: become the NBA's first on court billionaire and what makes 28 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 3: him so unique both on and off the court. I'm 29 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: your host, Sarah Holder, and this is the big take 30 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: from Bloomberg News. Randall Williams is a sports business reporter 31 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: here at Bloomberg and he covers a lot of leagues. 32 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 4: NFL, NBA, MLB, WNBA, NWSL and so many other leagues 33 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 4: that are popping up, and it's really fun. 34 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 3: Randal is a basketball fan, so he jumped at the 35 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 3: chance to interview Victor Wembanyama. Now, one thing lots of 36 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 3: people know about when Minyama is how tall he is, 37 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: But Randall says there's a difference between knowing how tall 38 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 3: he is and feeling it when you're standing next to him. 39 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 4: People don't realize what seven four or seven to five 40 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 4: looks like until they're standing next. 41 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: To it, and you've had the rare chance to stand out. 42 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 4: I'm not six ten, I'm five to ten. So imagine 43 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 4: someone much much smaller standing next to Victor Wombinyama, and 44 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 4: like the height thing is one thing. The palm of 45 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 4: his hand might be longer than my hand itself. 46 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: And Randall did not men's words on how much potential 47 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: he sees in the young Frenchman. 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 4: I think he could potentially be the biggest international superstar ever. 49 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 3: Can you describe his game a little? 50 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 4: I would say his game resembles Kevin Durant a little bit. 51 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 4: That's who he modeled his game after. He even wore 52 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 4: Kevin Durant shoes growing up. On defense, he's like Rudy. 53 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 3: Gobert for non fans, those are arguably the most dominant 54 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 3: offensive and defensive players in the league today at their 55 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: respective positions. If Wemby fulfills that promise, he will be 56 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 3: very well compensated. Wemby stands to earn a billion dollars 57 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: by age thirty three. Let us know, how does the 58 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: math work? 59 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 4: So he has a fifty five million dollar contract right now, 60 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 4: and you know that deal is going to go for 61 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 4: I believe four years. When he gets to the third 62 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 4: or fourth year, the Spurs are going to offer him 63 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 4: whatever that rookie extension is going to be Bloomberg. I 64 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 4: think our estimates have three hundred and sixteen million. It 65 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 4: could be more than that, it could be less now, 66 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 4: but it's going to be a three hundred million dollar deal. 67 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 4: When that extension runs out, he'll be likely offered another one, 68 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 4: which will be a supermax. 69 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: So what exactly is a supermax deal? 70 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 4: How you become eligible for a supermax is if you 71 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 4: win a postseason award, so an NBA MVP, a Most 72 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 4: Improved Player, something like that, or you make an All 73 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 4: NBA team, and there's three of those. I think that 74 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 4: Wemby is very likely to get one one of them, 75 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 4: especially as some of these they're not older, but the 76 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 4: guys who are dominating the NBA right now they age. 77 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: And Wemby is only twenty years old, so he's got 78 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 3: years of playing ahead of him. 79 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 4: When you look at that trajectory of his career, the 80 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 4: level that he's playing for the Spurs, I would estimate 81 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,799 Speaker 4: that he's going to be offered a Supermax. That supermax 82 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 4: could very well be over five hundred million dollars, which 83 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 4: will take him to eight hundred or eight nine hundred 84 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 4: million dollars in earnings. The one after that is pretty 85 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 4: much the same qualifications. So I think it's very likely 86 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 4: that he's going to earn a billion dollars in encore earnings, 87 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 4: and god knows what he's going to earn off. 88 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: Now. Randall points out that all of this earning is 89 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: contingent on nothing happening to Wemby, that he a. 90 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 4: Doesn't get in trouble and b doesn't have a catastrophic 91 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 4: injury God forbid. 92 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: And taller players like him do tend to have a 93 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: higher rate of injuries. But part of what sets Wemby 94 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 3: apart is his unique training regimen that focuses on flexibility. 95 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: Based on what I've spoken to him about and even 96 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 4: watching him warm up, he is insanely flexible. There was 97 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 4: a moment a couple of weeks ago where he sprang 98 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 4: like his ankle did something that it was not supposed 99 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 4: to do. It was like ninety degrees to the ground 100 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 4: and he played. 101 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: So a worst case scenario would be an injury. There 102 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: are also best case scenarios in which Wemby stands to 103 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: earn that billion even sooner, like if the NBA raises 104 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: its salary cap and starts paying players more. 105 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 4: And what's happening right now in the NBA is the 106 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 4: NBA's media deals is being negotiated. And the last time 107 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 4: the NBA's media deal was negotiated, the salary cap jumped 108 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 4: thirty percent, which is huge. It really just set up 109 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 4: the NBA's players to earn a lot more. Well, this 110 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 4: new media deal is going to triple the last one, 111 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 4: meaning the salary cap is likely going to jump again. 112 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 4: And so anyone who's watched Wemby realizes that this guy 113 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 4: is really a phenom. If he just stays healthy, he's 114 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 4: going to be something we've never seen before. 115 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 3: So that's how much Wemby stands to make on the court. 116 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 3: To the break, we'll talk about the kind of deals 117 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 3: that await him off the court. For a young star 118 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 3: like Wemby, there are no shortage of suitors that want 119 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: him to endorse their products and brands, But so far, 120 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 3: Wemby has been very selective in what products he chooses 121 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: to get behind. For example, while he reportedly had a 122 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: lucrative offer from Gatorade, Randall says Wemby chose to invest 123 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 3: in a smaller, newer sports drink brand he felt was 124 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 3: more aligned with his values. It's called Barcode. 125 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 4: So Barcode is a plant beaijed drink founded by Mubark 126 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 4: malik Is. They call him Bar, and Bar flew to 127 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 4: Paris to meet Wemby and his family. And when he 128 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 4: gets there, Wemby's mother, who's a nutritionist and a massage therapist, 129 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 4: I believe she sits down as she's looking at the 130 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 4: ingredients within the Barcode bottle and she's like, oh wow, like, 131 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 4: these are some of the things that I gave him 132 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 4: as a child. And that was a big turning point. 133 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 3: And Randall's Wemby didn't just do the deal with Barcode 134 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: because of what the brand represents, but also because they 135 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 3: had a unique offering for him. Instead of just a 136 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: big payday upfront, they gave him an opportunity to invest 137 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: in the brand, and investing in brands is something Wemby 138 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 3: has watched some other huge names in the game do. 139 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 3: He told Randall about who he looked up to most. 140 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: Kobe, Lebron Jordan, and yeah, Magic Johnson. 141 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 3: These aren't just four of the NBA's greatest basketball talents. 142 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: Lebron James, Michael Jordan, and Magic Johnson all have networths 143 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 3: north of one billion dollars. The late Kobe Bryant's estate 144 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: is well on its way to eclipsing that number as well, 145 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: and a lot of their money was made through investments 146 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: in sports franchises, fast food chains, and entertainment deals. Randall 147 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 3: sees Wemby's Barcode investment as a step in that same direction. 148 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 4: So I think that this resembles Kobe Bryant in Body 149 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 4: Armorer in some ways. Kobe invested in Body Armor much 150 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 4: later in his career, but it netted him four hundred 151 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 4: million dollar, and so Wemby could do the exact same 152 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 4: thing if Barco continues to grow. 153 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 3: And as for his next move, Wemby says he's just 154 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: beginning to figure out what his investing game could look like. 155 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: I'm just I'm a rookie in the NBA, but I'm 156 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: also a rookie in the game of investment. So far, 157 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: we're pretty calm, but someday we're gonna stip in big. 158 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: And Wemby isn't just thinking about how to amass a 159 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 3: bunch of money, He's also thinking about how he'll spend 160 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: that money. He sees using his earnings on causes he 161 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 3: believes in as another way to express his identity. Here's 162 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 3: Randall again. 163 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 4: Another big surprise and an interview which was him saying 164 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 4: that he wants to build wells and just provide clean 165 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 4: water to third world countries. And one of the things 166 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 4: that he was looking at was like mister Beast, who's 167 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 4: a YouTuber who was doing some similar things in the 168 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 4: continent of Africa. And so I think when he gets 169 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 4: more money, when he starts earning a lot more, that's 170 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 4: going to be at the top of his to do list. 171 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 3: We'll be watching the season and hopefully for years to 172 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 3: come to see whether Wenby joins the ranks of the 173 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: NBA's all time greats and whether he manages to become 174 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 3: a billionaire in the process. Thanks for listening to the 175 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: Big Take from Bloomberg News. I'm Sarah Holder. This episode 176 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 3: was produced by Alex Sugiura. It was edited by Caitlin Kenney. 177 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: It was mixed by Blake Maples. It was fact checked 178 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: by Stacy Rene. Our senior producers are Jilda Di Carli 179 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 3: and Naomi Shaven. We get editorial direction from Elizabeth Ponso. 180 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 3: Sage Bauman is our executive producer and head of Podcasts. 181 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 3: Thanks for tuning in. We'll be back tomorrow