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Speaker 1: And uh here we are. Uh it's Tuesday, cleaning out

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Speaker 1: the cobwebs, getting ready for the Green Bay Packers, and

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Speaker 1: with the Packers coming off of their embarrassment on National

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Speaker 1: into on Sunday. But having said that, listen, Uh, seven

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Speaker 1: record says you are too, or nine is what it is. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, Poulie watching the game, Uh, I look, we

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Speaker 1: hear coach. I call it coach speak, coach talk, coach

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Speaker 1: chat or whatever. And almost till you blew in the face. Execution, execution.

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Speaker 1: If you don't execute, you don't you know, you don't win.

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Speaker 1: But my goodness, there was such a lack of execution.

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Speaker 1: You're not on scholarship. It was a lack of execution,

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Speaker 1: Uh there was in fairness and fairness to um sterling Shepherd.

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Speaker 1: There was a pass uh down towards the sideline. Uh.

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Speaker 1: For whatever reason, I missed communication. He didn't turn around.

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Speaker 1: Not that it was the easiest catch, but it wasn't

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Speaker 1: It was. It was ugly. And now, coming off of

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Speaker 1: You never know everything there is to know about a

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Speaker 1: then going to prison for the the infraction, and after

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Speaker 1: he got out, the Giants had him back for a

427
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Speaker 1: workout and invited him to resign with the team. So

428
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Speaker 1: let's just oh, they did, he was, he was here,

429
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: he wound up going to the Jets, but they invited

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Speaker 1: him back and he didn't sign here. So so let's

431
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Speaker 1: be careful about how we we we characterized the organization.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Thank you, sir, appreciate it. I

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Speaker 1: just want to set the record straight. Listen, Uh, if

434
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Speaker 1: you're really good, they're gonna want to get you. Okay,

435
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Speaker 1: but I don't think that's a fair assessment. Well that

436
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Speaker 1: we don't. This is not the little sisters of the poor,

437
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Speaker 1: like when you say you got to give us somebody

438
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Speaker 1: a second chance. The bottom line is is a guy

439
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: good enough or is he not good enough? And that's

440
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Speaker 1: what they're gonna make their assessment on. And then you

441
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: look at the whole package becomes risk reward. That's that's

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Speaker 1: what it becomes. Let's go to UH. Tom has been

443
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 1: waiting on patiently in Pennsylvania. Hello, Tom, you're on with

444
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: Russ and Paul. Tom. You're there? Hello, Tom, going once?

445
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: Tom going twice? Tom sold, you're off the air. All right,

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Speaker 1: Let's go to UH Brooklyn and check in with Mystery. Hello,

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Speaker 1: you're on today? How you doing? I gotta ask which

448
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Speaker 1: one of your relatives decided that Mystery was a good name?

449
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: My mom? Really? I have three brothers also, So there's

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Speaker 1: Mr Mr S, Mr S and Mr c'm mr E

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Speaker 1: Mr E. And he spelled M Y S T E

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Speaker 1: R E. Mystery. Very cool, very cool? Why look I

453
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Speaker 1: did I didn't know if if it was your dad

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Speaker 1: else had in put on this, But I like Paul's

455
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: question to you, which relative? I think you could have

456
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: narrowed it down to mom and dad? Okay, in are

457
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: you okay? Buddy? All right? What do you got? Okay?

458
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: So here's you know last you know, Norman, when we talked, guys,

459
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: everybody's complaining about this and complaining about that, and even me,

460
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: I've been guilty of saying this the coaches or maybe

461
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: it's not. And I watched the games and then something

462
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: dawned to me. I'm watching these guys play, and I

463
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: understand something. They've all been playing football all their lives.

464
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: They know their positions, they have the ability. They became

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Speaker 1: starters in junior high college, and then they made the draft,

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Speaker 1: and then they made the NFL. It's not these guys

467
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Speaker 1: don't know. It's not that they don't have the ability.

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Speaker 1: They all do. They're following a three year plan. They

469
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: didn't create the plan, they're following it, granted, But if

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Speaker 1: I'm following a plan that someone else's late out, then

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00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: I have to do what they're calling me. Now. This

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Speaker 1: is gonna bring me back to my points. The coaching

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Speaker 1: staff I watched in fact, last week, I spoke with you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I said, remember you constantly sent a crying up the middle,

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Speaker 1: and the middle is not moving anybody. You're not surprising

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Speaker 1: any defensive coordinators. But nobody's saying let's send them to

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Speaker 1: the outside. Let's do some misdirection. If you do it

478
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Speaker 1: once or twice a game and then go back to

479
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: your right up the middle, you're not gonna put any

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Speaker 1: intimidation on the defensive coordinator. Shame thing with the defense.

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00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: Defense is trying to get to the quarterbacks. Year you

482
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: got We watched Corey Valentine get burned like bacon the

483
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: other day. Did anybody did they do anything to help them?

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Speaker 1: It may have looked like if it. No, they kept

485
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Speaker 1: going to it. They knew the Giants weren't gonna make

486
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Speaker 1: an adjustment. They weren't gonna give them help. They weren't

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Speaker 1: gonna even take them out. They weren't going to coach

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Speaker 1: him up on their sad lives. That's why they kept

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Speaker 1: going to it. And this is what teams are doing.

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Speaker 1: The guys aren't incapable of playing. They all have the ability. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you make a mistake here, you make a mistake. They're fun,

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Speaker 1: but if you're playing with and intrepid mentality because I'm

493
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: trying to follow this three year plan. Coaches got us

494
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Speaker 1: doing this, well, then you're not playing free and wild

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Speaker 1: like you need to. My opinion is that the coaches,

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator, and the head coach, they're the

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Speaker 1: ones at this point, right now, they're the ones that

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Speaker 1: should be feeling the heat into this and they're the

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Speaker 1: ones that should be taking the task because, yeah, the players,

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Speaker 1: they are not there, they're playing, they' getting the crap

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Speaker 1: beat out of them. Daniel Jones is a rock, well

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Speaker 1: but solid rock. Mr. I wouldn't I wouldn't disagree with

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. But when you say the heat should

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Speaker 1: be on them, the heat is on them. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no one's saying that heat is not on them. That

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Speaker 1: doesn't trust me. The coaches no that heat. You're two

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Speaker 1: and nine. The coaches staff knows the heat is on them.

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Speaker 1: It's gotta be because look at these guys. Look at

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Speaker 1: when you see the mistakes. Rust that you made this list.

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Speaker 1: You made the same list idea. I'm sitting there watching

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Speaker 1: you guys. Know, turn around, Shepherd, he didn't tack on you,

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Speaker 1: don't drop passes. Yeah, yeah, by mystery. Mystery. Hold on

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Speaker 1: a second, though, the plays that you're talking about, the plays,

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Speaker 1: the plays that you're talking about, that's just those are

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Speaker 1: on the players. You gotta make those plays. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you want to talk about other players. Is one thing.

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Speaker 1: I gave you three plays. I gave you three plays

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Speaker 1: by not three good players, by three excellent grade A,

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Speaker 1: top flight players. Se Quan, he asked to catch that

520
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: ball after the game, he fled, He knew it. He

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Speaker 1: That almost set the tone. Then then the past where

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Speaker 1: um uh you said she didn't turn around? Why it opened?

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Speaker 1: Now in fairness, maybe shep you know, his first game back,

524
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Speaker 1: little rusty in there. And then you know Tate, not

525
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Speaker 1: that it was the easiest catch, but this is the

526
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Speaker 1: NFL and golden tape makes those kind of plays. It

527
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: was a third and seven. You know, those keep drives

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00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: going that you have so on on those particular players.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned, you said you had the list. I

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Speaker 1: made the same list. You gotta make those plays, but

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Speaker 1: that's on the player. And like even when the Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones strips fumble, Daniel jan Stones stood and they're like

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Speaker 1: a rock, You're right, how can you call onto the

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Speaker 1: ball when the mack truck hits you in the square,

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the back a man. So how

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Speaker 1: does that How does that mack truck get you in

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00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: the back. Who're supposed to be blocking that mack truck.

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00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: That mac truck got beat his corner, he beat his

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Speaker 1: man like a ready to step chaw eat the whole

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00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: pass him. He barely got a hand on him. That's unacceptable. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's on the player. So if you're at this level

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Speaker 1: and you're making the simple like you said, between the

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Speaker 1: ear mistakes, and that's what I'm seeing all these between

544
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: the ear mistakes because these guys are more than capable. Well,

545
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: but those aren't. See I'm gonna disagree with you there

546
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Speaker 1: the mystery just I know where you said, what you're saying,

547
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: but those aren't the three players that we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: With maybe the exception of Chep not in and around,

549
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: but Tate not catching the ball and and say Quan,

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00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: those weren't between the ears mistakes. Those were just lack

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00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: of execution. It was right there to make the play

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00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: and they didn't. You know what I'm and it's supposed

553
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: to say, hey, listen, simplicity, you can't run the ball

554
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: till you catch it okay. And the guy can't catch

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00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: the ball to you through it to it okay. And

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00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: the guy can't throw the ball if you don't block

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00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: them okay. And the guy can't run the ball if

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00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: you don't open up a hole. All right, landed, alright,

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Speaker 1: mry guys. Hey, guys, listen, thanks again to have me

560
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Speaker 1: have a great week and they're happy, happy Thanksgiving. Pal.

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Speaker 1: is the number again? This is Big Blue Kickoff Live,

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Speaker 1: What do you think the turkeys you like up in

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00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: Maine this time of year, Paul, probably running for their

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00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: dear lives. And you know, knowing how upset Charlie is

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00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: over the recent turn of events, I guarantee you he's

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Speaker 1: chasing down these cook these turkeys one at a time,

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00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: Aunt Charlie. Hey, the first Thanksgiving, you know what they

573
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: actually served? Besides turkey? They served lobster. Well there you go, now,

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Speaker 1: is that I'm having for Thanksgi about you guys. Look,

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Speaker 1: a lot of this to me is on the coaches

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Speaker 1: and their play calling. I mean, when you have somebody

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00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: you know, you Soldier played a darn good game on Mac.

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00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: He had one sack against him. He was alone on

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Speaker 1: this guy the whole game. You know, sometimes you've got

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00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: to help a guy, just like with Valentine, sometimes you

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00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: got And Sherman never helped anybody. You know, maybe once

582
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: in a great while, but he doesn't help his players.

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00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: He leaves them out there. He doesn't chip block of

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Speaker 1: the time. He should have helped Valentine when he was

585
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: getting toasted somehow, get a safety to help. I mean

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00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: to me is that is coaching and when you're you know,

587
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: have such great feel position inside the fifty four times,

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00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to score. And some of

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Speaker 1: that is the play calling. Yes, some of this execution.

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Speaker 1: But I know darn well if Eli Manning was there playing,

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Speaker 1: he knows defenses, he wouldn't have thrown a pass over

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Speaker 1: to the right there when there was nobody out there

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Speaker 1: to block. You know, he would have seen that. No,

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Speaker 1: that play ain't gonna work. I'm calling this out and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do a different play, you know. And

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00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: then another thing, how about when you know the punt thing,

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00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: when when Jack Rabbit had to go back there? We

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00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: col Bank said it too, He said, we could have

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00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: brought out back our punt return team because they substituted.

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00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: We didn't. We had plenty of time to the referees

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Speaker 1: would have put their hands on the ball because we

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00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: were allowed by rule to bring in players that we

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00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: could have brought in our whole part return team. But

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00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: what was it were was any we was Sherman doing

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00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: looking at his player calling card for the next series

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00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: and he wasn't paying attention. What was the special team

607
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: coach doing? We could have that was ridiculous. Somebody's got

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00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: to be overseeing, you know, these type of things. And

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00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: Sherman does not do that as a head coach. And

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Speaker 1: it's on him because he is a head coach. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Charlie, and thanks for the call. Is always

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Speaker 1: my friend, and happy Thanksgiving and enjoy the lobster. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's the coaches, it's the players, it's everybody. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what else to say, top to bottom, you know,

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Speaker 1: and and and they're all saying it. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to disagree with Carl Banks his assessment of the fourth

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00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: down play on the punt uh. Carl Banks did address it.

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Speaker 1: I think Howard Cross even may have addressed it on

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Speaker 1: the television postgame show. Charlie has reiterated it. There's nothing

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00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: to disagree with on that, And as far as Charlie's

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Speaker 1: earlier point, there's no question Eli Manning. Part of his value,

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Speaker 1: as we try to tell people time and time and

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Speaker 1: time again, are the hidden things that you don't necessarily

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00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: see on the TV screen. One of them and one

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00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: of the primary things that Eli Manning brought to the

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Speaker 1: table was the ability to get out of a horrible

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00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: play time and time and time again. While a guy

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00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: who's in the league double digit years, he's going to

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Speaker 1: be able to do that because that's what is that's

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00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: what experience teaches you. Daniel Jones, for everything that he is,

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Speaker 1: is a rookie and there are gonna be numerous plays

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Speaker 1: every single Sunday that he's not going to have seen

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Speaker 1: before and that he's not going to be able to

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Speaker 1: get out of. That's any rookie. That's not necessarily Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 1: that's any rook God bless Charlie. But as we know it.

636
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Speaker 1: Charlie has eli ITAs, he loves him, and yeah, but

637
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: his points valid, well points valid. I'm not going to

638
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: back away from it. Better in quarterback has a better

639
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: chance of getting but but he's not playing, so he's not.

640
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: So the reality as you can't deal with it because

641
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: it is what it is. But the point is valid.

642
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: Experienced quarterbacks have a better chance to get out of

643
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: a bad play than a rookie. Well that's that's that's

644
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: not anything new, but the point being, the decision was

645
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: made that your quarterback this year, and so it's spilled

646
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 1: milk exactly. I get it. I get Bob in Pennsylvania. Bob,

647
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: how are you doing? You're on with Russ and Paul.

648
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: How you doing? Guys? I actually I didn't take up before.

649
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: I didn't steak because you had said Tom from Pennsylvania,

650
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: so I didn't realize I was on the here. All right,

651
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: Well then we apologize because it did say Tom. So

652
00:36:54,320 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: got you. Now maybe it's your clone. Okay, Okay. I

653
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: don't want the first thing I don't want this to

654
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: sound like is that I'm overreacting over two wins. It's

655
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: not about the two wins, because I'll look at this

656
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: year in my mind as as somewhat of a success,

657
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: because I do believe we found the quarterback. But I

658
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: am definitely afraid that they will not make a coaching

659
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: change next year. I was gonna bring up the point

660
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: Charlie brought up about how he was once again he

661
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: dropped the ball. He wasn't aware of that. He could

662
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: have sent back the punt team. But how about that

663
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: he calls time outs with four or five minutes to go.

664
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that. I didn't have

665
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: a press Well why not? Yeah? But Russ, you take out?

666
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: Did you take the two minutes warning at of the equation?

667
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: He got lucky that it worked for him. Well, but

668
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: it's worked a couple of times. We're put him back

669
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: in a chance. I mean, that's not the right move.

670
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: And he is rich code tight league. I'm telling you.

671
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: I know you're to say it's because I'm over reacting

672
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: with two wins, but he is. He doesn't make any adjustments.

673
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: We're not ready. We come out of the gate flat.

674
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: He's it's all coaching. He's not just responsible for that

675
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: place sheet in front of him. He's responsible for the

676
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: whole team. And I don't see one day of evidence

677
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: that he's got a handle on the whole team, and

678
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: I got a root for him to lose because I

679
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: can't well, I was gonna win one more game, all right, Bob, Bob,

680
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: thank you for the call. But you know, when you

681
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: start telling me you got a root for somebody to lose,

682
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. That's not a good situation. You know, when

683
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: you're rooting for somebody to lose. Then I got a

684
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: question you as a fan that that's just me. Let's

685
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: go to Connecticut. Two zero one four five one three

686
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: is the number. Let's check in with j in Connecticut.

687
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: J you're on with Russ and Paul. Hi, guys, how

688
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: you doing? Are you doing? Hey, Paulie, I got a question. Uh,

689
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: you think that Giants made a mistake letting Brett Jones

690
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: go versus the hall Peo thing? Well, I was. I

691
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: was a Brett Jones fan. It was like the lightman's

692
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: quarterback there, his hands would be flying dB point. I

693
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: don't see this from Hallapeo. And I always saw Brett

694
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: Jones a little bit downfield fighting somebody where Halapeos in

695
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: the backfield fighting somebody off. What are your thoughts? And

696
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: I was a Brett Jones fan, and I was very

697
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: disappointed when the Giants traded Brett Jones to Minnesota. I

698
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: will tell you he hasn't started a bunch of games

699
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: for them. Uh Now. Having said that, I've been also

700
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: very vocal here that I thought Spencer Pulley played a

701
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: terrific non game stretch last year in the second half

702
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: of the season. The results were pretty clear. I think

703
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: the Giants savage dred and ten yards of game rushing

704
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: when Pulley was the starting center. Now, he only got

705
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: one chance to play this year. It was against the Jets,

706
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: and he had a poor game. I won't walk away

707
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: from that. He had a poor game, but it was

708
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: his one chance. Unders you know, I happened. I happened to.

709
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: I happened to like Spencer Poli and and think and

710
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: think that after the year he had with the Chargers

711
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: and then what he showed with the Giants, I would

712
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: like to see him get more of an opportunity to

713
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: produce as he did in two thousand eighteen. That would

714
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: be my only take on that. Brett Jones is water

715
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: under the bridge. As Russ said, when a deal's made,

716
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: a movers made, it's done. It's done, you can't get

717
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,479
Speaker 1: it back. I do understand though, that Brett Jones, for

718
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: for all that he was, he's obviously a guy that

719
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: the Vikings wanted and they were willing to part with

720
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: a draft pick for him. And the Giants were very

721
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: happy to take a draft pick because Dave Gentleman was

722
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: in a mode of collecting as many picks as he

723
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: could get. I don't think they were going to get

724
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: a draft pick for Hallapeo. But but Jones, on the

725
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: other hand, as a guy the Vikings wanted and they

726
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: were willing to pay for him. So given that situation,

727
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: I guess I understand, But I will tell you I

728
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: was a Brett Jones fan and I won't walk away

729
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: from that either. Yeah. Welcome, all right, Jay, thank you

730
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: to zero, one four, five, one three is the number.

731
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: Let's go, uh closer. Let's go to Manhattan and check

732
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: in with Antonio. Hello, Antonio, you're around with Russ and Paul. Hey,

733
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: Russe and Paul, are you guys doing? Happy holiday? You do?

734
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: Holidays to you and yours, my friend. Thank you. So

735
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: we have what I thought was gonna happen with Leonary Williams,

736
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: where Lenny Williams said, getting pressures, but he's not producing

737
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: the sacks. That pretty much what we brought him me

738
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: here for. I mean, you know, it is what it is.

739
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: We wanted numbers because we were getting pressures and other

740
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: things from b. J. Hill. So now we're stuck with

741
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams and we gave the Jet the top five

742
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: third round pick, and my opinion, we're probably gonna have

743
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: to franchise Leonard Williams. Why because if I'm his agent,

744
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying, right now, you've got to give us a

745
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: ludicrout contract or we're walking out and Getleman has to

746
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: pay him or has to keep it here somehow or

747
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: else it looks really bad on him. Well, but Antonio,

748
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: ant Antonio, you're also saying, oh listen, uh they I'm

749
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: sure that they brought him in planning on paying him

750
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: for the future, but you just made the comment you

751
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: brought him in to get sacks. I mean, he's played

752
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: two games with three three it's three. It hasn't done

753
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: anything different than b J. Hill. Well, and the three

754
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: games he's played, he's got one hit on the quarterback,

755
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: four hits on the quarterback and one hit on the quarterback.

756
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: So he has had at least one quarterback hit in

757
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: all three games, a total of six over three games,

758
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: and he's only playing roughly sixty something per cent of

759
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: the snaps. Um, I'll be honest with you, I think

760
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams has been effective. I like him, and I

761
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: think he's doing a good job to pay him what

762
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: he's gonna want, I mean is what I think it's

763
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I think he's gonna get franchised by US

764
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: franchise Tag. The reason is because the numbers are not

765
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: gonna gonna validate the amount of money that his agent

766
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: is gonna want, and then, just so we won't look bad,

767
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: will franchise him because otherwise, if we just gave him

768
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: a third round pick for rental, that's not gonna make sense.

769
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: And not just my opinion. Um, guys, you guys have

770
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: happy dance Gaming. Have a great one, happy and healthy

771
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: one to you and yours. Let me make something very clear, Uh,

772
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: the Giants, if they decide to franchise Tag Leonard Williams,

773
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: and I don't know that they will, but if they do,

774
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: and I'm not even going to validate how I feel

775
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: about that, I would say this. If they do it,

776
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: it's not because they're worried about looking bad. It's because

777
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: they think he is a good, young, productive player who

778
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: can help be part of the solution. They're not. Dave

779
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: Getleman doesn't care about image, Okay, and you know that Russ.

780
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: Dave Getleman is gonna go with his plan and he's

781
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: not going to give two hoots about what anybody outside

782
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: the building thinks. He's not that goes without questions, right,

783
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean, and quite frankly, in this situation, that's how

784
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: you have to your attitude, whether you or me or

785
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: anybody out there likes it or not, that's the attitude

786
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: you have to tell the outside noise is irrelevant in

787
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: this particular case. You gotta try to fix this thing.

788
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter how many people say boot. Since

789
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: we're talking about sacks or rushes, uh, I'll tell you

790
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: one pickup that was a hell of a pickup is

791
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden. I mean again showing it last week and

792
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: he he had one sack taken away because he did

793
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: what was it? The generes a very weakling. It was

794
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: a very weak holding call, but very But I gotta

795
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: tell you Marcus is playing his key Stiroff, and he

796
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: plays hard, he really does, and many times because his

797
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: hand is in the dirt, he's in a mismatch against

798
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: the three pound lineman and he's still giving everything he's got,

799
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: very very much. I'm a real big fan of this,

800
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: big time fan. I you know, I didn't know him

801
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: before he got here personally, but out you why, and

802
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm besides giving it. He's the whole package on and

803
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: off the field. He's terrific guy and a hell of

804
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: a player. Let's go down to Atlanta and check in

805
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: with J. Hello, J, Happy holidays. You're on with Russ

806
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: and Russ song was growing on fellas. Okay, yeah, yeah, man,

807
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: I'm just I just took some time to like, i

808
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: haven't listened to you on the wall because I've been

809
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: busy a lot. I've been pulling in but I don't

810
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: want to repeat what you have been saying. But I've

811
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: just been you know, dissecting the giants for a little bit,

812
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: you know, just started try to stay optimistic. And I've

813
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: just been like thinking, like it's really just a turnover

814
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: because we've came from a regime of like you know,

815
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: the gm that haven't done the greatest job. Well, I'm

816
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: talking about Reese. Um we've had coach coach. I feel

817
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: like he kind of, like you know, filled in the

818
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: spots where Jay Reef wasn't that greater, and he made

819
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: a ross out of it and we came out with

820
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: a couple of championships and now it was a whole

821
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: different regime. And now so as Giants fans, you kind

822
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: of have to be patient and kind of have to

823
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: just you know, soak it all in and just be

824
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: patient and just kind of run with the punches because

825
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: you guys said, you guys told me you got said

826
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: some the other day that kind of image needed with me.

827
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: You guys said that, Um, we leave the league and

828
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: snaps by first. Yeah, by far and that and that's

829
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: that said a whole lot if you think about it,

830
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: because it's the small play that sometimes that takes us

831
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: out of games, like we're right there in every game.

832
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: It comes Jay, it comes with believe me what you

833
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: just said, a mouthful, but it comes with growing pains,

834
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: it comes with an upset stomach, It comes with ada.

835
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: But but that's the thing. You know, another rookie Jay

836
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: that had a chance to play. Who's the youngest player

837
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: on the team waiting for an opportunity. Polly, you interviewed

838
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: him on the field after the game, got his opportunity

839
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: for extensive play and extended play and quite frankly, played

840
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: pretty darn well. Was Julian Love had a noted day?

841
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: You don't think about this for a second. It's not

842
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: just the Giants have the most rookie snaps of any

843
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: team in the NFL by far, but think of how

844
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: many of them have come in the secondary, Biel Baker,

845
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: Now Love, I mean, all of a sudden, it's like,

846
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: wait a minute, and up all those secondary rookie snaps

847
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: And where's the one place on the field that when

848
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: you make a mistake you absolutely fry? The secondary? And Jay,

849
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: what did they tell you other than the quarterback hottest

850
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: positions to play, am because you you pay, you pay

851
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: big time. You're you're you're on the island and you

852
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: have the best quarterbacks in the world, growing accurate passes

853
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: to whis who are running, you know, for three steeds

854
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: And we have a quick question, um where you guys,

855
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: Because another thing, I still like, our roster is not

856
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: really as strong as we actually think. You know, we

857
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: do have rookies that are great, not great, but you

858
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: know that are ascending, and we have a few veterans,

859
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: but if you look at our rosters totality, I don't

860
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: really think it's actually that that great. So my question was,

861
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: what do you think players like Marcus Golden will sit

862
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: in like our two talk eleven championship team or even

863
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: after talking seven championship team. You know we have to anuka,

864
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: we had all those guys back there. What do you

865
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: think he will fit in on one of those rosters?

866
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't want now he's our He's right now, he's

867
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: our best. He's our best defender. If you really want

868
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: to argue with it, he's really our best defenders you

869
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: think fit j I mean, why are you going back?

870
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure the question of like our roster is

871
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: really not up to parts when we think it really is.

872
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: It's kind of my was was anybody foolish enough to

873
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: think that this year's roster was a Super Bowl team

874
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: like you're comparing it to. I mean, not to be

875
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: just to be fair. If you want to compare the

876
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: roster to where you think the Giants should be, compare

877
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: them to a fringe wild card team if you want to,

878
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: because you'd like to think that's where this roster is

879
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: going to ascend to to compare them to a super

880
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: Bowl champion, that makes no sense. I mean, because number one,

881
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: you're talking, you're going I mean, think about it for

882
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: a second, Jay, I understand your questioning, but think about

883
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: it for a second. You're talking about a team that's

884
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: in its second year of major changes, rebuilding, bunch of

885
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: people in there, and then you have um as Paul said,

886
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: you're comparing it to a team that went to the

887
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with with Super Bowl talent. So you can't

888
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: make that comparison. And let's not diminish what Marcus Golden

889
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: is as a player and what he's done this year. Okay,

890
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: and I also, I also I'm gonna disagree with you.

891
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: I don't think everybody's thinking this roster is the greatest roster,

892
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: especially depth wise, because you're doing you've made major changes,

893
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: You're going with kids, so the depth is also in youth.

894
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: You follow what I'm saying. So I don't think, as

895
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: Paul said you, I don't think you can make that

896
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: comparison to to a team at this stage and to

897
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: what who went to the Super Bowl. But thanks for

898
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: the call. J have yourself a very happy Thanksgiving you

899
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: and your family. I'm alright, I and I get what

900
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: he was trying to context. You can't do it. No,

901
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. You know, you talking to a

902
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: team that's won a championship to a team that's trying

903
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: to get out of the adult rooms. I mean, it's

904
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: a big difference to zero, one four or five? One

905
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: three is the number. Got a few lines open before

906
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: we call it a day. Let's go to the windy

907
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: city of Chicago and check in with Mark. Hello, Mark,

908
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: you're on with Russ and Paul. You guys, how are

909
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: you doing good? I just wanted to react to a

910
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: couple of things that were brought up in the show.

911
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: First of all, on that Brett Jones trade, I think

912
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: that we got Press Laton with that draft pick who's

913
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: on the practice squad. So in my opinion, you gave

914
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: up a guy that was a starter or close to

915
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: being a starter, and you've got a guy that's on

916
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: the practice squad who plays defensive tackle where we're overloaded.

917
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: So you know, on my mind, that's I'm not so

918
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: sure about that trade. Okay, well that's but that's always

919
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: hinside Mark, what you have to do at the time

920
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: of the trade. You have to weigh the logic and

921
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: you have to say, okay, where are the positives were

922
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: the negatives? Anybody can in hindsight say well that was good,

923
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: that was bad. You have to say, how did you

924
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: feel at the time. At the time, I cringed because

925
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: I liked the player. Okay, so I was not really

926
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: thrilled about it. But I also understood that adding draft

927
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: capital for a team that was in that situation at

928
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: that point on the calendar made sense. So you know,

929
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I can agree to disagree

930
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: on this. I'm not thrilled, but I understand it right.

931
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: And that's and that's seen. That's the thing that people

932
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: have to do, go back and reverse the calendar and say,

933
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: at that point, where was the logic. It's easy the

934
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 1: second guess after the fact that that that the Monday

935
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: morning quarterback thing never washes with me. I will not

936
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: I will never ever do it, and I won't accept it.

937
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm not trying the second guest so much. You know

938
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: the player as much as and maybe I didn't express

939
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 1: it right. It was really what you got a seventh

940
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: round draft pick, which really when you look at capital.

941
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much capital that is. And that's

942
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: that's just my opinion. Okay. The other point I wanted

943
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: to bring up, and this goes back to the whole

944
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: time up thing that Charlie brought up. I agree with

945
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: him quite a bit. Um to me, I was at

946
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: the game on Sunday and he took the first time

947
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,959
Speaker 1: out with like four minutes to go, and I sort

948
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: of cringed. I'm like, you're giving up your time outs.

949
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna, you know, hopefully stop them, and you're

950
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 1: not sure, and you're gonna use up all three time

951
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: outs in the matter of thirty seconds. You've got a

952
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: whole another you know, minute to two minutes the pet

953
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: minute minute and a half to two minutes to play.

954
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: You don't have any time outs. What if you want

955
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: to do a challenge, let's say something that greed this happens.

956
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: If you want to do a challenge, you're out of luck.

957
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: And if I'll give you a practical example, and this

958
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: happened last week when uh the Eagles played the Cowboys.

959
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 1: It was almost exactly the same situation. And Peterson down

960
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: in or Peterson down in. Peterson Billy kept this time out,

961
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 1: and they almost won that game on exactly the same

962
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: play that we scored on to Golden Tate at the

963
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: end of the game. I think I would hope you

964
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: would call Peterson Peterson up and say, hey, how can

965
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: I manage my time outs better? I'm being facetious on that.

966
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,959
Speaker 1: I just don't like it my opinion. Okay, Mark, thanks

967
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: for the call, appreciate it. I just think it's you know,

968
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: it's it's you kind of go with you gut on that.

969
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a or a wrong way.

970
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: When it works, it's always great. When it doesn't work,

971
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: it's a problem. Russ and the interest of being complete

972
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: with the information. Brett Jones in the two years he's

973
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: been with Minnesota, last year started three games, played in fourteen,

974
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: but only eight of the snaps snaps over the course

975
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: of the season, so he has barely played for them,

976
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: and this year has only made appearances in two games

977
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: and according to the snap count, zero snaps, which says

978
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: to me he was probably only in for special teams.

979
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: So if you do want to play the second guest game,

980
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 1: which I don't, Brett Jones hasn't exactly given the vikings

981
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: any value either to zero. While we got time for

982
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: one more, let's wrap things up with our buddy, coach

983
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: Marv in Delaware. Hello, coach, how are you? I'm okay

984
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: you to coach? Thanksgiving coach. We've got a couple of minutes,

985
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: so we'll wrap it up with you, buddy. Yeah, I

986
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: only got a few minutes. There's any much to talk

987
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: about this year. But as far as the people credit,

988
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: I didn't see the game because it wasn't on here.

989
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: But when you're criticizing coaches, that doesn't make your right

990
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: or it doesn't make you wrong. It's an opinion. But

991
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: that's the tough thing about being a coach is that

992
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: you can never be right unless you're right. Um people always,

993
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: people always question anything you do. It doesn't work. Yeah,

994
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: you know you you become the scapegoat. So it's it's

995
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: tough really to coach at any level. Um not Alonge

996
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: the NFL um so, um me, I'm not gonna say

997
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: he's wrong, but I hold onto my um um time outright.

998
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: That normally what I do. But situations put you in

999
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: different um circumstances sometimes and you start thinking out what

1000
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: you should do, and then you start trying to create something.

1001
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 1: So maybe that's why he called it the time outs

1002
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: with four minutes or whatever it was. And UM, you know,

1003
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna judge him on that because, like I said,

1004
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: if he like you guys said, if he big turned

1005
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: out right and they end up winning the game, he'd

1006
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: have been a genius for doing it. So um. And

1007
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: my other statement was people are talking about the roster.

1008
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: I said, I think Paul heard me say this before. Um,

1009
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: I think it's two I'm looking for for this team.

1010
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: They still building it. You gotta give him a couple

1011
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: of years. I talked to someone they actually heard me

1012
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: on the radio and I met them out in South

1013
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: Jersey and Day was concerned about the um the team,

1014
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, it's a young team, and

1015
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: you know I tried to encourage him as a young

1016
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: team and I did stay two, you should really see

1017
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: difference in this team. Not that that's what you're looking for.

1018
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: You're looking for them to keep building and competing every year.

1019
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: But I'm looking for that that's the year I'm looking. Well,

1020
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: before we get one, we gotta finish and then especially

1021
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: see some improvement in Let's and coach Marv Uh, what

1022
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: do you say, what what was the expression? Even if

1023
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: you're right, you're not right as a coach. You're only

1024
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: right when you're right, you know, I coach Marvin, I

1025
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: really wish and and and what you just said is

1026
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: so incredibly intelligent, because what happens is everybody wants to

1027
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: be the second guess or in the Monday morning quarterback.

1028
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: The problem is the public for the most part, and

1029
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: certainly the writers and the experts, they don't first guess.

1030
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: And that's what coaches have to do. You first guess

1031
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: because you're in the heat of the battle and you've

1032
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: got to make a decision. Everybody else wants to have

1033
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: the luxury of then making a judgment after the whole

1034
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: thing has occurred. And that's what you can't do. Anybody

1035
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: worth their grain of salt, and anybody who you respect

1036
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: and you want to you want to give any credence

1037
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: to needs to be able to first guess and say, look,

1038
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: while the coach was making this decision, this is what

1039
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: I thought his options were, this is what I thought

1040
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: was logical. Look, I've been on this program a hundred times,

1041
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: thousands of times even and said, look, I would have

1042
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: first guessed this and this is why, and if it

1043
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: didn't turn out that way, find so be it. But

1044
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: you gotta base it on the facts at the time

1045
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: the play or the incident happened. The second guessing Monday

1046
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:22,959
Speaker 1: morning quarterback stuff is garbage alright, coach and you know it. Marv.

1047
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: Thanks having yourself happy Thanksgiving you and your family, my friend. Okay,

1048
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: guess coach coach left. But it listen, it is what

1049
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: it is. It's like I'm laughing today, I'm reading you know,

1050
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: some of the comments or like gotta be tougher on

1051
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: uh Daniel Jones or maybe being too nice about the

1052
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: same people. These are the same people that was screaming

1053
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: they wanted Daniel Jones and didn't want Eli. It's he's right.

1054
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: The coach is not right. Ever, unless he's right, amen

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Speaker 1: to that anyway, that is a rap on today, folks. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we got one more day before at least I do

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Speaker 1: before Thanksgiving. Our thanks to Nicole Barrows for taking care

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Speaker 1: of us at the controls and my good buddy hip

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Speaker 1: pol Detino Umra saults breaking always thanks to you people,

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Speaker 1: because without you people, uh, we'd have nobody here to

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Speaker 1: be talking to. For those of you who won't be

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Speaker 1: back here with us tomorrow, happy and healthy. Thanksgiving to

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Speaker 1: you and your families, to the rest of you who

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Speaker 1: will be back here tomorrow. I will see you then

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Speaker 1: at one thirt