WEBVTT - Zac Blair on Northern California Golf

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<v Speaker 1>I miss the green.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, I'm already upset. When I find my ball

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<v Speaker 2>in the bunker, I'm really upset. And when I find

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<v Speaker 2>my ball in a bright egg Friday egg, the dreaded

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<v Speaker 2>Frida egg, fridagg egg egg Frida egg bride egg Lie,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about ready to run off of the course.

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<v Speaker 1>To Northwood is so sick?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? What? So we went on that trip Lake mercaid

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<v Speaker 2>S F Golf, Cal Club, Olympic Club, Northwood Meadow Club,

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<v Speaker 2>Pasa Tempo and PCC Dunes and pack Grove. What overall thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>I would just say, I think I didn't give San

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<v Speaker 3>Francisco area enough credit for how amazing the golf is.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's kind of a power player.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would agree, especially because like we didn't hit

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<v Speaker 2>up a few, like we played the nine hole course

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<v Speaker 2>at Olympic Club, but then we also didn't hit up

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<v Speaker 2>Claremont Club or you know some of the other you know, Prestidio,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of wanted to see after I heard the

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<v Speaker 2>history of it, Glenn Eagle, Glen Eagle, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>walked around Sharp Park. What'd you think of that?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's another one that I was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>blown away when you're driving over the hill to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Check that place out.

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<v Speaker 3>You're just like kind of blown away with that could

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<v Speaker 3>be like a public golf course, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>with the setting that it's in right by the beach

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<v Speaker 3>and everything like that, Like it could be so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's a shame that it is

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<v Speaker 2>in the current shape it is, and it's it's I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there's like a cool little like public tour you could

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<v Speaker 2>do in San Francisco for people that wanted to like

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<v Speaker 2>get kind of deep on mackenzie because you could go

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<v Speaker 2>do Northwood in Sharp Park, which are kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>abused Mackenzie's, but then you could go play Pasa Tiempo,

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<v Speaker 2>which is unreal, and then you could you could tie

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<v Speaker 2>it in and play Pack Grove And I think the

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<v Speaker 2>Green Speeds would be less than three hundred bucks to

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<v Speaker 2>do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I don't know about you, but if

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<v Speaker 3>you wanted to see like what having good bones is,

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<v Speaker 3>I think like Northwood is like the place you would

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<v Speaker 3>want to see of any course that I've ever been to,

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<v Speaker 3>with kind of the hollowed out bunkers that are grassed

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<v Speaker 3>over and you can see like where the greens extended to.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's very easy to see how good that

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<v Speaker 3>place was without being like super into golf course architecture.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think, like I think one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>people ask me all the time, like how can you

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<v Speaker 2>figure out like good bones is like looking at like

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<v Speaker 2>greens and seeing you know, there's always like a pad

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<v Speaker 2>that you can see with a green, you know where

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<v Speaker 2>it used to extend to. So start to look at

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<v Speaker 2>the corners of the greens you're playing and look to

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<v Speaker 2>see like is there a distinct pad that this green

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<v Speaker 2>sits on? And usually, you know, at most municipal golf

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<v Speaker 2>courses at least those things have shrunk so much over

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<v Speaker 2>the years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's in talking to a couple of architects. They

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people say it it wouldn't take much to

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<v Speaker 2>get those those bunkers dug out and it then playable.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was interesting talking to the guy the pro

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<v Speaker 2>shop afterwards and how he wasn't sure if people would

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I kind of was miffed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was pretty weird hearing that guy say that,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think golf is just I always go back.

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<v Speaker 3>To this, but golf is just one of those things

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<v Speaker 3>where there's always going to be people that aren't great

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<v Speaker 3>at golf, so it's hard to always cater to someone

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<v Speaker 3>like that, saying like, well, if I dig this bunker

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<v Speaker 3>out here like now, guys are going to be hitting

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<v Speaker 3>into it and you know they're not going to enjoy

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<v Speaker 3>their round as much. But then there's the flip side

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<v Speaker 3>of that that there's people kind of like us out

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<v Speaker 3>there that would love to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of a I was kind of blown

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<v Speaker 1>away when he said that too.

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<v Speaker 2>There's people that suck at everything, like every sport, it's

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<v Speaker 2>okay that people suck.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I think part of what makes golf so special is

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<v Speaker 2>that people suck, you know, and you're never really conquering

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<v Speaker 2>it no matter what level you play it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like everyone sucks at you know at times.

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<v Speaker 3>There's obviously people that are worse more often, but it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I've had times where I suck.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I suck more often than I'm good. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of dive into their favorite stretches of holes. So

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<v Speaker 2>I had you and I did the same thing. Pick

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<v Speaker 2>out the best three hole stretches, so the best are

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<v Speaker 2>not the best, Our favorite one through three, our favorite

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<v Speaker 2>four through six, Favorite seven through nine, ten through twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen through fifteen, and sixteen through eighteen. And with that

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to count Northwood and the back nine at

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<v Speaker 2>Pacific Grove as eighteenth ZB. You wanna who's your one

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<v Speaker 2>through three?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I kicked the round off with SF club.

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<v Speaker 4>One through three megawith.

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<v Speaker 3>Super super whipped. Nice way to start out the round.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like you're probably not going to miss that fair

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<v Speaker 3>way too often, and if you hit a good drive,

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<v Speaker 3>you kind of have the opportunity to get the round

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<v Speaker 3>started off with a with a birdie.

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<v Speaker 2>So the rules out there are with the no cell phone,

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<v Speaker 2>no yardage finder. It's kind of crazy, you're going back

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<v Speaker 2>in time a little bit. But like that's a perfect

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<v Speaker 2>example of like not really knowing where the green was.

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<v Speaker 2>We both missed way right there. It was the worst

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<v Speaker 2>place you could be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. That that's uh, I mean, that's something that.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish like the Cabby would have just said, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you're you're okay to miss in that left bunker, Like

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<v Speaker 3>that left bunker would have been and like a really

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<v Speaker 3>easy up and down to the pin we were playing,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the right the right side fell off so

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<v Speaker 3>hard and we were all just so.

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<v Speaker 1>Dead over there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was just short sided down like in a gully.

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<v Speaker 2>So I went one through three Medal Club. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something about that second hole going down with like

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<v Speaker 2>the layered bunkers behind it, and you can see all

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<v Speaker 2>those greens that I just loved. And then I love

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<v Speaker 2>the third hole that I hit that sick approach shot

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<v Speaker 2>to and birdied, and but that green, that green's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that Metal Club is, like, it's such a

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<v Speaker 2>cool little place there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I was lucky enough to play it in a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of college you know, every year in college basically we

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<v Speaker 3>had an event up there, and it's really really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So what about four through six?

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<v Speaker 3>Four through six, I went with Northwood, Oh sweet little stretch.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the sixth hole was maybe my favorite hole on

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<v Speaker 3>the entire trip.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had to get that the hole in this

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<v Speaker 1>routing somehow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that if they brought those bunkers back, we'll put

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<v Speaker 2>we'll put the uh, your little rendering of of what

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<v Speaker 2>it is and what you if you just filled in

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<v Speaker 2>the bunkers that are hollowed out to show people like

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<v Speaker 2>what we mean by good bones in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was that was pretty sick. And even the

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<v Speaker 3>four and five were really cool holes too. That fourth

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<v Speaker 3>hole that kind of dogleg right, I mean we were

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<v Speaker 3>playing it with the Hickory's so we got to really see,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I thought five was a really cool part.

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<v Speaker 4>Five.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was another one with the bunkers along that

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<v Speaker 2>right side that were gone and you could see like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh this is this could be really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Sweet Green too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh unreal. I think it was missing like a really

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<v Speaker 2>deep bunker on the right side. I've watched the drone

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<v Speaker 2>fly over a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 1>Northwood is like I like still have dreams about that place.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, it's insane.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny because you know, we texted all, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we go on this like crazy, long, unbelievable golf trip

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<v Speaker 2>that people would dream of, like you know, and we

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<v Speaker 2>play Cal Club and SF and and Meadow and Pasa

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<v Speaker 2>Tiempo NPCC, all these like you know, really well thought

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<v Speaker 2>of golf courses that bucket listers and like the course

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<v Speaker 2>I think we talked about the most before the trip

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<v Speaker 2>was Northwood and then it's probably the course we talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the most after the trip. And it's a twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three dollars course that anybody can play.

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<v Speaker 1>It's insane. It's like a very eye opening experience. It

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<v Speaker 1>was so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I could spend a couple of days out there,

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<v Speaker 2>just keep going around and see it when it's a

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<v Speaker 2>little when it's not winter and it's not so wet.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think we should scoop back out to San

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<v Speaker 3>Francisco in the fall and see these places is a

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<v Speaker 3>little with a little more fire in them. Maybe check

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<v Speaker 3>out the Bohemian Grove.

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<v Speaker 2>To see if they let usin. Yeah, that's what I

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<v Speaker 2>was on the Golf Guide podcast and they the kid

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<v Speaker 2>is from Northern California, and he said that the Bohemian

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<v Speaker 2>Grove has the original drawing of Northwood, like the original plant,

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<v Speaker 2>but they they're holding them hostage in there. You got

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to Gary Record.

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<v Speaker 4>Get those get those plants.

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<v Speaker 1>Just bring him out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I got four through six at SFGC. I like

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<v Speaker 2>that that long par three, and then I like how

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<v Speaker 2>you've got the those part fours. Really you got to

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<v Speaker 2>hit good golf shots on those part fours, especially the

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<v Speaker 2>six that I love the fairway how it goes down

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<v Speaker 2>to the left, and then that green is nasty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dude's six is very very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you know, run runner up there. I'd say fourth

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<v Speaker 2>through six at col club's pretty cool too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I had that written down and then then I put

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<v Speaker 3>s F and then I just remembered Northwood number six

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<v Speaker 3>and was like absolutely that's what I'm That's what I'm

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<v Speaker 3>rolling with.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you got for seven through nine?

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<v Speaker 1>Seventh through nine? I uh threw in the metal club.

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<v Speaker 3>Some cool uh, some cool holes that are that are

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<v Speaker 3>definitely pretty unique.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought they were awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that little natural like creek they used for that

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<v Speaker 2>seventh hole, it's pretty sweet. And then uh eight cool

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<v Speaker 2>par three nine cool, par part four.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine nine is sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think if they had the T in the

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<v Speaker 3>right position there, I think the t, you know, they

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<v Speaker 3>had to find yardage for that hole to get it,

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<v Speaker 3>to get it a little longer where guys couldn't carry

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<v Speaker 3>that those left bunkers. But if you played from like

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<v Speaker 3>the correct angle, I think it's such a sick t shot.

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<v Speaker 3>How those left fairway bunkers kind of just blend into

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<v Speaker 3>the green side bunkering and it just looks like one

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<v Speaker 3>big diagonal hazard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you got to hit a good drive there and

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<v Speaker 2>then you still like if it I played there with

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<v Speaker 2>a Hickory and I still had like a I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I had like a four or five iron into

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<v Speaker 2>that green, which was Yeah, it was a beast. I

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<v Speaker 2>went seventh through nine at Northwood. I really like that

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<v Speaker 2>seventh hole that kind of dog likes, right, and that

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<v Speaker 2>green you can tell is pretty cool. The par three

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<v Speaker 2>eighth is unreal, that green. And then nine going back

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<v Speaker 2>up I really liked.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, with that huge bunker that was like one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and fifty yards off the tee that just swallows up

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<v Speaker 3>any golf ball that heads to it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not there anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that thing was like a true three

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<v Speaker 2>shot par five back in the day too, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>think I went Hickory Hickory Wedge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that hole was cool, full place.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I keep talking about it, but I want

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<v Speaker 3>to go back up there, like tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>I almost went out to Northern California this week for something,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh man, that'd be sweet to

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<v Speaker 2>be because I was going to have to go up

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<v Speaker 2>to Napa and I was like, I'll be close to Northwood.

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<v Speaker 2>I could go over there again.

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<v Speaker 1>Abs ten through twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>I threw in SF club again because ten was another

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<v Speaker 3>one of my favorite holes on the trip. I thought

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<v Speaker 3>eleven was a sweet part three, and then that twelve

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<v Speaker 3>hole was again like I mean, I keep repeating myself,

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<v Speaker 3>but twelve is such a sick hole.

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<v Speaker 2>I think with just twelve it would you could put

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<v Speaker 2>nothing holes before that and SF would still get it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have ten through twelve too, Like twelve might

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<v Speaker 2>be one of the best part fours I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in the entire world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was so funny how we both ended up

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<v Speaker 2>in that bunker and the Caddy was was pissed at us.

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<v Speaker 1>I the caty was, but the Caddy was so wrong

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<v Speaker 1>on that yard age.

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<v Speaker 3>She was like, it's two fifty five, but it plays uphill,

0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, and it played a little into the wind.

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<v Speaker 3>Or I don't even know what he said. He said,

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<v Speaker 3>it's two forty five, but it's the longest two forty

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<v Speaker 3>five in the world. And I'm like, well, I can

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<v Speaker 3>carry it to forty five, and I smoked one didn't

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<v Speaker 3>even come close to carrying it.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I go back home and look on Google Earth and.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like two seventy eight, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even hit it too seventy eight anywhere, let

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<v Speaker 3>alone foggy San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 1>So just that bad information.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you didn't carry it, and I was like, ah, yeah,

0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.080
<v Speaker 2>probably I could probably carry it, and I hit it

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<v Speaker 2>right into it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that whole is cool, and it's so funny because

0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.400
<v Speaker 3>there's so much room left that it's just like you

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<v Speaker 3>should never in a million years hit it in that bunker.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean that's like a perfect exam pull of

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<v Speaker 2>a hole with like the technology thing is like if

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<v Speaker 2>like Dustin Johnson can just carry that with like a

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<v Speaker 2>three wood and just like the modern distance thing is like,

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<v Speaker 2>so that hole loses like all the strategy. But if

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<v Speaker 2>that bunker is uncarriable, they you have to make a decision.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you playing short and giving up yardage or and

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<v Speaker 2>having the perfect angle, or are you playing left and

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<v Speaker 2>and taking more yardage and and have just a like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a blind shot.

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<v Speaker 1>In Yeah, yeah, I really like that whole.

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<v Speaker 2>What'd you Got? What do you Have? For thirteen through fifteen?

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<v Speaker 3>H thirteen through fifteen I went with Posse Tiampo SAMs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah really yeah, I really like thirteen that part man, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I hope you I help people have watched like the

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<v Speaker 3>drone video of that hole that you have. It's like

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<v Speaker 3>that that green complex is just out of control, so

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful and so cool. And then fourteen very cool hole

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<v Speaker 3>with the like natural looking chasm, you know, the big

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<v Speaker 3>dip in the fair way. Yeah, and then fifteen is

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<v Speaker 3>that sick little part three.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't posted any drone video of that yet, so

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'll try and get something done for the spot.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that I mean that stretch a hole. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like you got a great risk reward par five, you

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<v Speaker 2>got an awesome just stout Par four that's got tons

0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:38.640
<v Speaker 2>of strategy, and then you got a like a little

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<v Speaker 2>nasty par three. So I'm in the same boat. And

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<v Speaker 2>then what are you doing to close out the round?

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<v Speaker 3>I went with cal club another cool little part three

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<v Speaker 3>and sixteen a gettable par five and seventeen, But at

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<v Speaker 3>the same time, you can kind of you could make

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<v Speaker 3>bogies on both of those holes pretty easy if you

0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.120
<v Speaker 3>hit a bad shot. Eighteen going back to the clubhouses,

0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:03.680
<v Speaker 3>I thought was a pretty cool finish.

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<v Speaker 2>I wrapped it up with pasta tempo sixteen through eighteen.

0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I just couldn't couldn't pass up on having yeah, sixteen,

0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:18.359
<v Speaker 2>and I have an happy people rag on seventeen. I

0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of like really like seventeen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, man, when I saw when I saw the original

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<v Speaker 3>aerials of that place without all the trees on the right,

0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.239
<v Speaker 3>and there was this nasty set of bunkers kind of

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<v Speaker 3>down there right where you hit your drives on the

0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:38.720
<v Speaker 3>right in between ten and seventeen. Fairway, like you kind

0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.760
<v Speaker 3>of have a better appreciation for that whole how you

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<v Speaker 3>got to hug it up the left side so the

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<v Speaker 3>ball doesn't roll down into that bunker, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you kind of have a better view of that grain.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a dude.

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<v Speaker 3>Pasta Tampa, the whole course in the back nine, everything

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<v Speaker 3>there is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking.

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<v Speaker 3>I was looking at the rankings the other day and

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<v Speaker 3>Pasta Tampa is not in the top one hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I was actually offended. It's criminal, absolutely, Like that's

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<v Speaker 1>like a top fifteen golf course in America.

0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.880
<v Speaker 2>So I always say it could be a top fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>if it was an exclusive club.

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<v Speaker 1>I still think it is right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, sick, I don't know what is it

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<v Speaker 2>better than SF Club? No, So that's I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the I mean the way I look at Passa tempo

0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.320
<v Speaker 2>is I think like architecturally, if you want to play

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<v Speaker 2>a golf course, like a Golden Age golf course, it's

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<v Speaker 2>the undisputed number one that a public can play, that

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<v Speaker 2>the public can play. Yeah, I need to play Pinehurst

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<v Speaker 2>number two still though.

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<v Speaker 1>Too so Pinehurst is solid. It's good.

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<v Speaker 2>You would you put Passo over Pinehurst?

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<v Speaker 3>I enjoy Passa or I think it. But dude, again,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. These are such hard discussions to have

0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.639
<v Speaker 3>because they're both so good. They're both in that category

0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:11.520
<v Speaker 3>that you're like, I would go play them, you know

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<v Speaker 3>what I mean?

0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.359
<v Speaker 2>How about our how about our experience at Pacific Growth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was like everything you don't want to have

0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:26.960
<v Speaker 3>happened inside the golf shop kind of happened. I think,

0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:29.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, it was kind of our fault for not

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<v Speaker 3>I just didn't think it would be like crazy busy,

0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:36.600
<v Speaker 3>but obviously like seventy five Sonny on a Saturday afternoon is.

0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Kind of like prime time for people to go off.

0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So we we showed up there at like three

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<v Speaker 2>or so, and we wanted to just play the back

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<v Speaker 2>nine and we get there and it was like packed,

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<v Speaker 2>and the guy you know, in the shop, was like, yeah,

0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I can't get you out. So we decided to walk.

0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:57.640
<v Speaker 2>And we we walk out there and like, sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Well you've got to tell them about you got to

0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.000
<v Speaker 3>you gotta inform them about how We were like do

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<v Speaker 3>you think we could go just walk the back nine?

0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:09.399
<v Speaker 1>And the guy was like I don't know, Like that

0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.040
<v Speaker 1>would be tough for me to let have happen.

0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.920
<v Speaker 3>And we were like, man, we'll be like courteous.

0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.520
<v Speaker 1>We're not going to get in anybody's way.

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<v Speaker 3>And he was like, ah, I guess and he really

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<v Speaker 3>just like did not want us to be out there.

0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:26.800
<v Speaker 1>He was crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>So so we walk out and there's like a foursome

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<v Speaker 2>on ten and which is like a nothing part three,

0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:35.560
<v Speaker 2>and we like turned the corner at the green and

0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.040
<v Speaker 2>there's like this single guy walking down the eleventh fairway

0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:43.320
<v Speaker 2>towards like the green that's set into the dune and

0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.399
<v Speaker 2>and Zach looks at me and he's like, dude, go

0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.919
<v Speaker 2>get go get some clubs. And he runs down the

0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:52.400
<v Speaker 2>fairway and I run back to the car to get

0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.280
<v Speaker 2>the club. So how did how did the discussion go

0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:56.480
<v Speaker 2>with our single?

0:20:57.840 --> 0:20:58.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I just kind of went up to him and he

0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:02.200
<v Speaker 3>could tell he could hear me running from like fifty

0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.160
<v Speaker 3>yards out and he looked back and you could tell

0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:08.280
<v Speaker 3>he was so confused. He was like, am I in trouble?

0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:12.040
<v Speaker 3>Like somebody like chasing after this kid? What's going on?

0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.080
<v Speaker 3>And I got up to him and was like, hey man,

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<v Speaker 3>you know my name is Zach Blair. And he's like,

0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:20.239
<v Speaker 3>Zach Blair, you play on the PJ Tour And I

0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.320
<v Speaker 3>was like, yeah, would you mind if me and a

0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:25.000
<v Speaker 3>friend joined you for the back nine?

0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:28.200
<v Speaker 1>And he was like, you want to join me out here?

0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.360
<v Speaker 1>And I was like yeah, like we came.

0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:34.359
<v Speaker 3>Out to roll around pat Grove for the night. And

0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:36.919
<v Speaker 3>he was like, well, yeah, absolutely, you can join us.

0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:37.840
<v Speaker 1>And he was so cool.

0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:41.000
<v Speaker 3>He was like a perfect person you want to meet

0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.640
<v Speaker 3>on the golf course to play with that you've never

0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.879
<v Speaker 3>met before, you know, as complete stranger. That ended up

0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:49.239
<v Speaker 3>being one of the coolest guys we played with it

0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:50.200
<v Speaker 3>on the entire trip.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he just you could tell he got it.

0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:57.240
<v Speaker 2>He got architecture, like he had like a hinch headcover.

0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.440
<v Speaker 2>But then he was asking us questions and he found

0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.120
<v Speaker 2>out like he worked in the bay. He's like, yeah,

0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:04.439
<v Speaker 2>I played Pacific Grove all the time when I and

0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:08.000
<v Speaker 2>I think he had moved to Austin, but he was

0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:11.520
<v Speaker 2>in town and played Pacific Grove a bunch and then uh,

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<v Speaker 2>after the Yeah, after the round, he posted a picture

0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:18.439
<v Speaker 2>of the exact same picture. He was taking some pictures.

0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:20.920
<v Speaker 2>He like pulled the Cavalier where he took a pic

0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.679
<v Speaker 2>of the exact same picture from three years ago and

0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:26.440
<v Speaker 2>showing how much more brown it was. It's like this

0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:29.320
<v Speaker 2>kind good. And then he hit hit the hickory. He

0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:31.439
<v Speaker 2>caught hick he caught hick nation fever.

0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he did catch the hickory fever.

0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:38.480
<v Speaker 3>I think I think we're kind of like, uh, I've

0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.639
<v Speaker 3>got I've gotten a lot of people sick with the

0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:42.280
<v Speaker 3>hick fever.

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<v Speaker 1>It's insane.

0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:49.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking about getting crooked with like Louisville Golf getting.

0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:52.879
<v Speaker 2>You know, I might start selling hickory out of my

0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:59.360
<v Speaker 2>trunk when I go places. Hey, kid, come here, let

0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:02.240
<v Speaker 2>me let me so. Let me tell you about this hickory.

0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:07.440
<v Speaker 2>You don't want that new Calway driver, You want hickory.

0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:10.760
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's just like a whole different way to

0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:14.240
<v Speaker 2>play the game. I don't really think like everybody is like, oh,

0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:16.600
<v Speaker 2>it would make bad golfers so much worse. I don't

0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:18.119
<v Speaker 2>really think it would.

0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:26.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, this sounds so mean and it sounds bad,

0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:31.080
<v Speaker 3>but like the people that suck, like not a.

0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Lot of stuff helps them get that much better.

0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:36.440
<v Speaker 4>So it's it's.

0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Kind of a weird. It's a weird little topic to

0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:39.879
<v Speaker 1>talk about.

0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a it's a touchy one, for sure.

0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:46.400
<v Speaker 3>It was so funny I got. I got this one

0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:50.439
<v Speaker 3>story about the Hickory's. It's like classic. So I was

0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:52.840
<v Speaker 3>down at the pro member the other day at Seminole

0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:55.560
<v Speaker 3>and we were at the dinner and I had this

0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:58.960
<v Speaker 3>discussion with Jack Nicholas about the golf ball and he

0:23:59.040 --> 0:23:59.480
<v Speaker 3>was kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of telling me his plan and everything.

0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 3>Like that, and you know, I was just kind of

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:08.440
<v Speaker 3>talking to him basically saying how some of the classic

0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:11.760
<v Speaker 3>courses are kind of being dwarfed a little bit and

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:13.840
<v Speaker 3>guys can just hit it so far. And I told

0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:17.000
<v Speaker 3>him that I had recently started kind of playing with

0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Hickory's when I play casual golf, and he.

0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know how good

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:24.919
<v Speaker 1>that is or you know, anything like that. He's like

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:28.879
<v Speaker 1>I thought he would be, like, you know, because sometimes

0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:31.720
<v Speaker 1>when I tell that to people. They're like, oh, man, that's.

0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:33.760
<v Speaker 3>So cool that you would, you know, want to see

0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:36.199
<v Speaker 3>how the you know, game was intended to be played

0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:39.880
<v Speaker 3>and how these these you know, Golden Age architects kind

0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.760
<v Speaker 3>of laid out these holes based on where people were

0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:45.080
<v Speaker 3>hitting it. And he was like, yeah, yeah, I don't

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:45.840
<v Speaker 3>know much about that.

0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:48.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get involved with that. Let me

0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:50.040
<v Speaker 1>tell you about let me tell you about my idea

0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:52.000
<v Speaker 1>with the golf ball good.

0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:54.920
<v Speaker 2>You've had a couple of good run ins with Jack,

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<v Speaker 2>including the memorial hot tug.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, yeah, he's a he's kind of and him

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:05.000
<v Speaker 3>have some great some great stories. I have three really

0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 3>good ones. I have the hot tub story, that Hickory one.

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 1>And then one time I was at the Ryder Cup

0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:11.200
<v Speaker 1>dinner at his house.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was like me and a couple guys and

0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:15.960
<v Speaker 3>he was asking everybody how they played. And I had

0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:19.320
<v Speaker 3>just shot eighty that day at UH at Honda. It

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:21.840
<v Speaker 3>was like so hard, the wind was blowing. I played

0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:23.880
<v Speaker 3>like ship and he was like, so, how'd you play?

0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, I shot eighty and he's like, oh,

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 3>that's not good.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, thanks, Jack, I'm aware.

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<v Speaker 2>The Golden Bear man. You know, he's just trying to

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<v Speaker 2>do He's that on your level?

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:43.600
<v Speaker 1>No, No, he's it was. Those are three of my

0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:46.480
<v Speaker 1>favorite stories and they all have to do with Jack Nicholas,

0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 1>So he's the man.

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Where's the where's the next Blair Wish project?

0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:56.440
<v Speaker 3>I think we uh, I think we're going Boston tea

0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 3>party hunting.

0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:01.040
<v Speaker 2>There's some any good ones there?

0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we gotta we got a sick little trip lined

0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>up for that one. It's gonna be pretty epic.

0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a I mean, the crazy thing about

0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Boston is how you could find like a million scruffy

0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 2>little ross gems out there.

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:22.199
<v Speaker 3>Boston and Long Island are both that way. Like, I

0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:24.920
<v Speaker 3>feel like you could go to either of those areas

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<v Speaker 3>and just play golf for a month at courses you've

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 3>never heard of, and you would find like a ton

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:32.840
<v Speaker 3>of places.

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<v Speaker 1>That you love.

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<v Speaker 2>Are there any good public courses out on Long Island

0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.240
<v Speaker 2>that are like, I know they used to have that

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:43.399
<v Speaker 2>gil Hands like tall Grass or whatever it was called,

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:46.720
<v Speaker 2>but some solar power plant took it over.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe Long Island might be in the more of

0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:56.200
<v Speaker 3>the private sector, but I don't know are they Are

0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.720
<v Speaker 3>they public in Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well there's some. I mean, you got like the

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 2>George Wright place that I guess they got the mass

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Am this year. But then by Catanta there's that little

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 2>nine hole Marion that's George Thomas's first course, which and

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:20.480
<v Speaker 2>they still have like the Stone Walls.

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Sick that's my favorite.

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I don't know, there's too much good golf

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:26.720
<v Speaker 2>to explore. I think that you could do the same

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:30.120
<v Speaker 2>thing for a number of cities. I think San Francisco though,

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 2>if you were ranking cities, has got to be top four.

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what are you What are you throwing in there?

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Are you throwing? Obviously Long Island like New York?

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 4>It's true?

0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Do you where do you delineate? Is it New York City?

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:50.439
<v Speaker 2>Is Long Island its own? Is Monterey part of San Francisco?

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I kind of.

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:55.600
<v Speaker 3>I had this discussion with this guy that writes for

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 3>like the San Francisco Chronicle the other day kind of

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.640
<v Speaker 3>talking about that. I don't know, you gotta you gotta

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:04.879
<v Speaker 3>do some sort of like a radius, I guess, but

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean Long Island in itself. Yeah, I guess you're

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 3>not calling that a big city though, So I don't know.

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:14.440
<v Speaker 3>But San Francisco, even if you're not even if you're

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:19.920
<v Speaker 3>not including Pasa or any of the Pebble Beach Monterey scene,

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:23.640
<v Speaker 3>like San Francisco is pretty good.

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I think you got to have New

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:31.359
<v Speaker 2>York and Philly one two.

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you're counting you're counting Long Island for New

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 3>York obviously.

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm gonna count Pine Valley for Philly too.

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like twenty minutes away, so.

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:48.680
<v Speaker 2>And then and then I think you could count Pasa

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:53.200
<v Speaker 2>but not Monterey. Monterey is like two hours from San Francisco.

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I agree.

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 3>And are we throwing Are we throwing Phoenix Scottsdale in

0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 3>there or no?

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm just kidding not not. I think Chicago would be.

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:12.840
<v Speaker 2>So I always go back and forth with Chicago because

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 2>I feel like after Chicago Golf and Short Acres, we've

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.959
<v Speaker 2>got like a massive drop off and like, you know,

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Old ELM's really good, so like but like then it's

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of like you're kind of like, uh, would it

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 2>be better than like if you had Pasta Tiempo in

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 2>with San Francisco, Like if you have cal Club SF

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Pasa Tiempo Olympic Club, like Olympic club kind of.

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 2>I haven't played it yet, so I've passed judgment on it.

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 3>I think Olympic is a little better than than we're

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 3>than you think.

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do too.

0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 3>I think that the bunkering that they did there has

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 3>kind of like made it probably too hard and the

0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 3>bunkers are just diabolical now.

0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 1>But I think it's pretty good.

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:07.320
<v Speaker 2>So I would I would say that San Francisco it

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 2>takes the cake over Chicago. Chicago's great because of the depth.

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, like are from ten to twenty five. We're

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 2>like really.

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Strong, but you have a super deep bench.

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're like the team that you know is really

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 2>good in the NBA. But then they get then the playoffs,

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 2>the bench gets shorter, you know, and only seven guys

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 2>play and we get just we get smoked, annihilated. It's

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 2>like the bulls.

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:35.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about this right here.

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 3>What is a good like what's a good cutoff for

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 3>number of great courses you have to have to be

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 3>in this conversation, would you say it's like five or

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 3>or like seven?

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.720
<v Speaker 2>I think you have to have you have to have

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 2>some top end firepower, but you still have to have

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 2>some depth, Like you can't like your number ten course

0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>can't be like a dump. Not a dump.

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 3>Talk about this right now, really quick, just because this

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:07.880
<v Speaker 3>is a good topic to talk about.

0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:11.120
<v Speaker 1>So do you want to talk about this?

0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 4>This is something good.

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 1>You can cut this out or whatever, but I think

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 1>this is this is good to talk about.

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 2>I think this is I think making a you know,

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 2>this could be the next iteration of logo madness.

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 3>So what we're talking about here is we're gonna go

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 3>New York, Philly, San Francisco, and I think if this

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 3>is I think Boston has to be in this discussion.

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 1>The more I'm the more I'm thinking about it. So

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 1>we'll do.

0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Those four, Chicago's, five.

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Boston, and then shy Town.

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Then like a perfect example is LA where you have

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 2>high end, top top tier golf, but then you've got

0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 2>to fall off.

0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so La is like the opposite of Chicago, the

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:06.800
<v Speaker 3>complete opposite. It's got like some first round picks, lottery picks,

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 3>but then it just has no bench at all. Right,

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 3>we'll talk about l A just for a sec too.

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 3>So if we're going n y C, we're.

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Obviously going like like shinny.

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 2>National Maidstone, winged.

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Foot Maidstone, winged foot.

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Quaker Ridge, Quaker, Sabonic, Friar's Head.

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Savanna Friars. I mean, I mean.

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 4>Fishers, Fishers right there.

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 1>So that's two four eight, that's eight piping rock, best

0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 1>best page, I mean, and it's just silly, Beth, what

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you could just like I think you could

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 1>go forever.

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're just they're just a clear number one.

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:17.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they have Philly you're talking. You got like Pev Marion,

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 3>Marion Ironomic.

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Philly Cricket, Philly Cricket, Golf Mills, Manny's Rolling Green, like

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 2>you've got like this stretch of unreal Flynn Courses. You've

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 2>got Rolling Green, You've got Philly Country Club, You've got

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Huntington Valley, you've got Lancaster. If you you know it's

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 2>it'd be about as far as like the Hampton's would be.

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:55.560
<v Speaker 2>And then you've got uh, You've got then you've got

0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 2>like a bunch of moderns too. You've got cool like

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:00.719
<v Speaker 2>I really like apple Brook, which is a hand and

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 2>you've got Stonewall. I mean, you've got a ton there.

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch.

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 1>So Philly is like a clear number two.

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 3>I think it's got it's probably got as much top

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 3>end firepower.

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:17.839
<v Speaker 1>As New York.

0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think so.

0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:25.720
<v Speaker 3>TV Marion Ironomic Philly Cricket. Like that's four solid ones

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 3>and you've got Shinny National.

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.720
<v Speaker 2>New York's got like ten, and and Philly's got four.

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 1>New York's like like an all star squad.

0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you put if you put Chicago, Philly and

0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Boston together, it would be like New York almost.

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Phillies New York's like a beast.

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Maybe New York versus the all of California would be

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:53.920
<v Speaker 2>a good matchup.

0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 1>New York versus the world, New York versus everybody.

0:34:57.160 --> 0:34:59.919
<v Speaker 2>And we're just like playing into New Yorker's ego right now.

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 1>And then oh shit, like falseester all.

0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he can it can? Does that count?

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:08.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:10.359
<v Speaker 3>It's in New Jersey, but I mean it's like just

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:12.879
<v Speaker 3>as close. I think you do, like the New York

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.839
<v Speaker 3>metro area, right, I mean that's the same thing.

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 2>It's in the met right.

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Going to add TV to Philly.

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:21.919
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it should be based off of the Golf Association.

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, like the METS, the and the Northern California

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Golf Association. This is we might have to do more

0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 2>thought into this. This could be a whole article.

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:39.240
<v Speaker 3>Slash discussion is exactly well, we might as well finish

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 3>this off right now.

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:43.839
<v Speaker 1>SF, you go, SF Club.

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Cal Club, Cal Club, Meadow Club.

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Pasa Meadow, Pasa Olympic.

0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Claremont.

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:03.279
<v Speaker 1>I think Claremont.

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 3>I think it's sick, but I think we're like kind

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:08.720
<v Speaker 3>of starting to reach Maybe.

0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 2>What if you what if you include Cypress Pebble, Like,

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:17.920
<v Speaker 2>where does it? Does that get it up to Philly level.

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Pebble?

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 2>I think it might pass Philly.

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:33.240
<v Speaker 3>Then NPCC times two, Spyglass if you're gonna.

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 2>If you're into that thing kind of stuff, if that's

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:36.719
<v Speaker 2>your thing.

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe how many people I talk to are

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:44.319
<v Speaker 1>in love with that place. I just I don't get it.

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 3>There's some cool holes out there, yeah, like you know,

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:50.799
<v Speaker 3>two three four five or sick, But then it's just

0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 3>like repeatedly getting hit in the face like the rest

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 3>of the day, just like uphill Part four, Uphill.

0:36:57.200 --> 0:37:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Part four, Uphill part four, it's crazy.

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Three two four.

0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 3>Nine, Like you're in the ten area. You know, you're

0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:14.840
<v Speaker 3>in that ten course range as well for SF.

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 2>So SF can compete if you include Monterey with with Philly,

0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:23.160
<v Speaker 2>I think Boston would be an interesting one.

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:26.600
<v Speaker 1>It's like Boston, you're gonna.

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Go like Essex Country Club, Myopia, Old Sandwich Club.

0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Old Sandwich, Boston Golf Club.

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 2>What else Eastward? Ho is it? Hans does like Sanctity Count.

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:49.359
<v Speaker 3>I mean, let's leave those out right now and see

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 3>if we need help. Like I mean, Newport's like an

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:56.760
<v Speaker 3>hour further down, but like Wanta Moist, it's like thirty

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:01.920
<v Speaker 3>five forty minutes, you know what I mean, miss cut Yeah,

0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:03.919
<v Speaker 3>oh gosh, that is so sick.

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:08.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean if in each of them kind of have

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 2>their own unique aspect, like I think like one of

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:15.359
<v Speaker 2>the things is you could like I think Boston has

0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 2>more quirky fun courses than New York does.

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would say, like New York is very stout

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:28.879
<v Speaker 3>championship like golf. Boston, I think you're gonna see more,

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:32.400
<v Speaker 3>like you said, kind of little quirky designs that are

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:36.000
<v Speaker 3>really fun and have like a lot of uh like

0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:40.359
<v Speaker 3>very sporty golf courses. And then Philly, I think you're

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:42.759
<v Speaker 3>kind of gonna get that mix.

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:43.799
<v Speaker 1>Of both of them.

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 2>I agree with that.

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.880
<v Speaker 3>And then SF I think is more along the lines

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:54.719
<v Speaker 3>of h New York, like more like championship tests, you

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:55.239
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean.

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's kind of a mixture too. I think

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:03.720
<v Speaker 2>it's more like the the the Philly model.

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like a little quirk got some championship, you know.

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:13.520
<v Speaker 2>So I talked to Oberholser about this is in like

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:18.359
<v Speaker 2>with this whole kind of the games change. Everybody's you know,

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 2>golf better, like golfers are better now, you know, with technology,

0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 2>with training, with you know, track man. So like when

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.960
<v Speaker 2>do we stop holding on to par and start like

0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:33.240
<v Speaker 2>why don't what would what would happen at a tour

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:38.320
<v Speaker 2>event at cal Club Furman Fast, Like you know, people

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:41.400
<v Speaker 2>would the score, let it, let go of the score?

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Would it be really fun to watch?

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 3>And I think that's like I think that's what people

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 3>are kind of tricked with right now. They're like a

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:53.400
<v Speaker 3>lot of people talk about that the Mexico event.

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:55.800
<v Speaker 1>How they you know, love that that.

0:39:55.719 --> 0:40:01.160
<v Speaker 3>Golf course, And I think they're they don't really know

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:04.600
<v Speaker 3>what they're talking about as much like they love what

0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.400
<v Speaker 3>that golf course offers, and it offers like a bunch

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 3>of different approaches get you get a bunch of like

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:14.920
<v Speaker 3>shorter holes, and you get all these things that you

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:16.799
<v Speaker 3>might not see at a place like.

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>PGA National.

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:23.120
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean, You're not just like getting

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:25.960
<v Speaker 3>hit in the face. You're getting these like cool webshots,

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:28.480
<v Speaker 3>and you're you're seeing a lot of like exciting stuff.

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:31.000
<v Speaker 3>You're seeing guys get close to driving greens or you're

0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 3>seeing guys driving greens and chipping in and everything like that.

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 3>So I totally get what you're saying, Like short, it's

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:43.480
<v Speaker 3>not terrible to go to these short courses. Sometimes they're

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 3>more fun and they offer kind of a different, you know,

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:50.400
<v Speaker 3>different style of golf tournament.

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:55.359
<v Speaker 2>It seems like the best way to combat distance and

0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:58.880
<v Speaker 2>the bombing gouge would actually be to make the golf

0:40:58.920 --> 0:40:59.760
<v Speaker 2>courses shorter.

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've had discussions about that.

0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 3>Like I feel like when they you know, obviously the

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:09.360
<v Speaker 3>ball goes far and you know, guys are hitting it

0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:11.440
<v Speaker 3>further and everything like that, and there you know a

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 3>lot of people talk about guys being more athletic and everything.

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 3>But I think kind of where they screwed up in

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 3>terms of golf course setup or whatever is when they

0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:28.040
<v Speaker 3>started like tigerproofing these golf courses and you know, putting

0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:31.960
<v Speaker 3>all these bunkers at like to ninety and putting all

0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 3>these new te boxes and making courses longer and longer.

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:39.400
<v Speaker 3>It just played more into the hands of guys like

0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:42.239
<v Speaker 3>Tiger and you know, guys that hit it far, cause

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:47.760
<v Speaker 3>you kind of take the you take that lower distance,

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.480
<v Speaker 3>hitting guys kind of out of the mix a little

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 3>bit more to where if you you started making like

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:57.879
<v Speaker 3>three hundred and seventy yard par fours where guys could

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:00.920
<v Speaker 3>hit driver, but they would have those like weg shots,

0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 3>But that was an option. I think that kind of

0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:07.400
<v Speaker 3>that brings so much more to the table than having

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:10.439
<v Speaker 3>like every hole be a five hundred yard part four.

0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of what I was thinking, is because like, okay,

0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:17.719
<v Speaker 2>if you're in the rough with a half wedge, like

0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:20.280
<v Speaker 2>the reward of getting like a half wedge in the fairway,

0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:23.320
<v Speaker 2>like it's been proven if you get closer in the fairway,

0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:25.839
<v Speaker 2>you've got a better chance of making birdie. But if

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:28.640
<v Speaker 2>you get in that same spot, like a half wedge

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:32.399
<v Speaker 2>from the rough is actually kind of harder to hit

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:36.239
<v Speaker 2>than a half wedge from a full wedge from the

0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:39.919
<v Speaker 2>rough because you can't get the trajectory on its easy.

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's and it's just shots that you don't have

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 3>as much, you know what I mean, And shots shots

0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:48.200
<v Speaker 3>you don't practice as much, and everything like that. Like

0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:51.560
<v Speaker 3>sometimes I think of it like playing a scramble or

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:54.960
<v Speaker 3>playing like up a couple of sets of teas when

0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:57.600
<v Speaker 3>you're when you're at your home course or whatever, you

0:42:57.640 --> 0:43:00.120
<v Speaker 3>get tricked into hitting like a lot of drivers, and

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 3>you start getting these like fifty yard web shots out

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 3>of the rough that you never have and you never practice.

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:10.320
<v Speaker 3>And sometimes it's like harder than if you were playing

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 3>like the back teas and hitting a driver to.

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Like one hundred and twenty yards.

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:18.400
<v Speaker 3>So it would just be like a whole different ballgame.

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:20.759
<v Speaker 3>I think it would be pretty cool to see. It

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:23.799
<v Speaker 3>would be fun to see a couple of tournaments a year,

0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 3>do it, you.

0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Know what I mean.

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we were texting about this the other day. We

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:32.440
<v Speaker 2>were coming up with some courses. Like everybody always says like, oh,

0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 2>let's go to you know, the Cypress, or you could

0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:42.279
<v Speaker 2>have it at you know, National, But like, realistically, some

0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:45.319
<v Speaker 2>golf courses in cities that you could maybe host a

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 2>tournament at that would be offer what Mexico had, but

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:52.239
<v Speaker 2>with better architecture and less trees.

0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:55.920
<v Speaker 3>And I was at Holston Hills is the one that

0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:57.600
<v Speaker 3>you always kind of talk about.

0:43:57.719 --> 0:43:59.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that would be super cool. It's in Knoxville, though,

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:03.319
<v Speaker 2>so I don't think you'd see a tour event in

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Knoxville is the problem, you know, getting But in Chicago

0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:11.759
<v Speaker 2>you could, for example, you could look at having an

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:17.759
<v Speaker 2>event at like Skokie or at Beverly, which would be,

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:23.719
<v Speaker 2>like mark remarkably different than you know, the the you

0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:26.920
<v Speaker 2>know Conway Farms or Medina that are built for this

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:31.440
<v Speaker 2>championship golf. You know, modern, modernly built for championship golf.

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Say the same thing with you know, TPC Boston versus

0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 2>going to Myopia or I don't know if they'd ever

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:43.360
<v Speaker 2>host essex.

0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:47.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's kind of a it's a it's a weird subject, right,

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 3>you're talking about because it's like you'll you'll always have

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:53.240
<v Speaker 3>people be like, oh they would never host a tournament,

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:54.760
<v Speaker 3>but you never.

0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Know, you know, some sometimes they would. I think I

0:44:57.880 --> 0:44:59.399
<v Speaker 1>think it's like.

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:04.800
<v Speaker 2>The key is also doing a RODA. You know, asking

0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.000
<v Speaker 2>somebody to do it for ten straight years is a

0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.319
<v Speaker 2>lot different than asking somebody to do it once every

0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:10.400
<v Speaker 2>ten years.

0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:15.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, like people, especially in those areas, you know,

0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:19.480
<v Speaker 3>of the United States, where you're not playing golf twelve

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:23.600
<v Speaker 3>months a year. It's kind of hard to ask them

0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:27.040
<v Speaker 3>to give it up at you know, prime peak season

0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:32.239
<v Speaker 3>for however long, you know, usually at least a week

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:35.919
<v Speaker 3>for the golf tournament, probably a week before they would

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:38.440
<v Speaker 3>shut it down, and then not to mention all the

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 3>recovery times after. You know, these guys are losing their

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:45.320
<v Speaker 3>golf courses. So it's kind of a weird situation.

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so logo madness, what that was kind of crazy.

0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:54.319
<v Speaker 2>I was surprised at how popular it was.

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:56.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, I.

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 3>Knew it was gonna I knew people were gonna get involved,

0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:01.560
<v Speaker 3>and I I had a hunch that it would be

0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:06.399
<v Speaker 3>it would get a lot of traction, but it kind

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:10.680
<v Speaker 3>of definitely, it definitely was way more than I thought.

0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:13.680
<v Speaker 3>And it was cool to see everybody get so fired

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:17.520
<v Speaker 3>up about this stuff. And it was funny because when

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 3>I originally posted the picture, we had like a thirty

0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:25.040
<v Speaker 3>two man or a thirty two logo bracket, and immediately

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:28.319
<v Speaker 3>the second I posted it, we just got blown up

0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 3>by everyone about like all these courses that weren't in

0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:34.840
<v Speaker 3>and I just like had to make an executive decision

0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:36.719
<v Speaker 3>and just be like, dude, we're going sixty.

0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Four, I know now, like we need to have like

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 2>play in tournaments if yeah, like I feel like we

0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:45.240
<v Speaker 2>still missed that. The tough thing is I think people

0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:48.640
<v Speaker 2>have a hard time removing the course from the logo.

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:52.560
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, and at the same but at the same time,

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:57.560
<v Speaker 3>it's like sometimes that experience or whatever you want to

0:46:57.600 --> 0:46:59.399
<v Speaker 3>call it, kind of ties into.

0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:00.839
<v Speaker 1>The logo a little bit.

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 3>You know, once you once you learn about certain things

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:07.560
<v Speaker 3>like the delf tiles at National that's kind of a

0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:09.560
<v Speaker 3>logo that some people would be like what is that

0:47:09.680 --> 0:47:11.839
<v Speaker 3>or like why that's not cool at all? And then

0:47:11.880 --> 0:47:14.399
<v Speaker 3>you learn about it and you see it and you're like, wow,

0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:15.040
<v Speaker 3>that is cool.

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:17.480
<v Speaker 1>After you play it, you're like even you like it

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:18.000
<v Speaker 1>even more.

0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:21.319
<v Speaker 3>So it's a it's a weird thing, and it kind

0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:24.279
<v Speaker 3>of goes along those discussions of when people are like

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 3>would that whole be good if it wasn't on the

0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:28.839
<v Speaker 3>ocean and stuff like that, but it's like it is

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 3>on the ocean, and that.

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:32.280
<v Speaker 1>That logo is for that golf course.

0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:38.399
<v Speaker 3>So it's a it's a I think a debate that

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:39.640
<v Speaker 3>no one will ever win.

0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:44.640
<v Speaker 2>I h Yeah, it's And the cool thing about logos

0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 2>is everybody can have their opinion exactly. We as the committee,

0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:52.440
<v Speaker 2>we we probably didn't do the best job of seating

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:56.480
<v Speaker 2>these and setting up matchups here. But who do you

0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:58.960
<v Speaker 2>do feel like kind of got the toughest shake.

0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:05.000
<v Speaker 3>Here, Stonewall, like having to go up against Marion's second round,

0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:08.120
<v Speaker 3>which just I think they Stonewall could have made a

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:10.640
<v Speaker 3>pretty deep run in the tournament if they would have

0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:16.440
<v Speaker 3>been in basically any other like, I don't know what

0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:18.200
<v Speaker 3>were they They were like a thirty.

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:20.160
<v Speaker 2>Well they were they would have been an eight nine

0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:23.000
<v Speaker 2>seed if if we go with the NTA tournament set up.

0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought, I think I think them.

0:48:26.200 --> 0:48:29.319
<v Speaker 2>I thought White Bear Yacht Club also had the same

0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:31.200
<v Speaker 2>thing because they had to go up against fishers in

0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the second round.

0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, agreed.

0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:37.640
<v Speaker 2>And then I mean Saint Louis Golf, Saint Louis Country

0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Club kind of got wow.

0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's you know, I were a lot La La

0:48:44.640 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 3>got a kind of a tough one.

0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:48.160
<v Speaker 1>They had to face Sleepy in the second round.

0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:51.600
<v Speaker 2>They got there, they got blown out too. They just

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:53.880
<v Speaker 2>got obliterated. I know.

0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 3>I remember tweeting something like, what a great matchup we have,

0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:00.040
<v Speaker 3>this is going to come down to the wire. And

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 3>then it was like seventy five twenty five. I was like, well,

0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:05.439
<v Speaker 3>even Vegas is wrong.

0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Every once in a while, I'm pretty disappointed that Chicago

0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Golf Club lost a deer.

0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:14.560
<v Speaker 1>How about s F Club getting bounced in the first round.

0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:20.520
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you it wasn't good for intertwined letters. Yeah, no,

0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:21.920
<v Speaker 2>it's not good at all.

0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:26.279
<v Speaker 3>We missed so many good logos looking back on it

0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:29.200
<v Speaker 3>that it was just like, did you see they're doing

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:30.480
<v Speaker 3>a Canada one right now?

0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:38.839
<v Speaker 2>There's so many of them we I don't know. People

0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 2>have been clamoring for a worldwide one with you know,

0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:47.319
<v Speaker 2>all the world versus the you know logos, but man,

0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:50.319
<v Speaker 2>it's it's tough. I think public one would be cool too.

0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:54.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if pasta Tiempo would would hang in

0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:58.400
<v Speaker 2>on the public side, if that counts to semi private

0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:01.239
<v Speaker 2>count as public, I think maybe a lot.

0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:03.279
<v Speaker 1>I think so, I think you got to do like

0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:04.800
<v Speaker 1>just public.

0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Just public. Man, there could be some bad, bad uh

0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:10.240
<v Speaker 2>low seeds in that one.

0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:15.520
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, the one someone brought up. I think a cool

0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:18.919
<v Speaker 3>one would be uh tea markers mark.

0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what about clubhouses.

0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Clubhouses would be a good one too.

0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:28.239
<v Speaker 3>There's so many good things you could do, and people

0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:32.600
<v Speaker 3>love this stuff and they love getting involved and talking

0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:36.200
<v Speaker 3>about it, and these ones are kind of easier to

0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:41.360
<v Speaker 3>discuss than, you know, instead of talking about like golf holes.

0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly. I think maybe we should do uh, we

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:50.440
<v Speaker 2>should do one in maybe a couple of weeks. We'll see, well,

0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:55.920
<v Speaker 2>stay tuned, it'll be uh but uh, hey, what's the

0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:59.560
<v Speaker 2>most underrated seth Rainer course that you've played?

0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh? I don't know. I'm scared to say, because then

0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:19.279
<v Speaker 1>right maybe say like I don't even know I would

0:51:22.600 --> 0:51:23.439
<v Speaker 1>what would you say?

0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:29.560
<v Speaker 2>I haven't played as many as you, So I haven't.

0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Played like a ton, you know what I mean.

0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:35.719
<v Speaker 4>There's not like there's not like there aren't that many.

0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:37.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's not like that many.

0:51:38.600 --> 0:51:42.640
<v Speaker 3>And it feels like a lot of them are are

0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:46.839
<v Speaker 3>properly rated, you know what I mean, Like a lot

0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:52.960
<v Speaker 3>of them are just solid golf courses. There's but like

0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:57.719
<v Speaker 3>maybe maybe a place like Yale, even though it like

0:51:57.840 --> 0:52:00.400
<v Speaker 3>that is a I think that place is under rated.

0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Let me see, let me look up.

0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Some I feel like that's another one where if it

0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:10.319
<v Speaker 2>was an exclusive country club like Pasa Tiempo. It would

0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:14.320
<v Speaker 2>be like thought of completely different. But because it's the

0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:19.160
<v Speaker 2>way it's maintained, like it has to be, that it

0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:24.680
<v Speaker 2>gets a bad rap. I guess if we include McDonald

0:52:24.760 --> 0:52:27.160
<v Speaker 2>into it, Saint Louis Country Club was pretty rad.

0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:32.080
<v Speaker 3>But there's the thing that I always talk about. I

0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:40.640
<v Speaker 3>feel like every McDonald course or every Rainer course, it

0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:42.920
<v Speaker 3>seems like I don't know which way.

0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:45.160
<v Speaker 1>I explain this. I always get confused.

0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:52.320
<v Speaker 3>But it's like every Rainer or every McDonald was a Rainer.

0:52:52.520 --> 0:52:56.080
<v Speaker 3>You know, he had some help in it, but not

0:52:56.560 --> 0:53:01.040
<v Speaker 3>every Rainer was a McDonald, you know what I mean? Yeah,

0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:05.200
<v Speaker 3>at least that's that's that's how I think of it.

0:53:05.920 --> 0:53:08.040
<v Speaker 3>But like I'm running through some of these right now,

0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:11.640
<v Speaker 3>like Sleepy Hollow. Sleepy hollows like pretty underrated.

0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:18.120
<v Speaker 1>That place is sick. How about the Midland Hills finding

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:19.239
<v Speaker 1>that that.

0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Drawing insane?

0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:25.160
<v Speaker 4>It's so that's really cool, dude.

0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Literally, do you think remember our podcast with Tully and

0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:30.800
<v Speaker 2>how he kept talking about all he wanted to do

0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:36.279
<v Speaker 2>was find the Metal Club original drawing, And like, I

0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:39.360
<v Speaker 2>wonder if Tully was kind of like sad or re

0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:43.360
<v Speaker 2>energized him and he started looking in some obscure places.

0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he said that on Twitter the other day. He

0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:52.160
<v Speaker 3>was like, he was just basically talking about how it

0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:55.320
<v Speaker 3>just kind of like he's been looking NonStop for X

0:53:55.360 --> 0:53:58.200
<v Speaker 3>amount of years and hasn't found anything yet, looked through

0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:02.000
<v Speaker 3>every single piece of the clubhouse up there at Metal

0:54:02.080 --> 0:54:04.080
<v Speaker 3>Club and he still hasn't got anything.

0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:06.160
<v Speaker 1>So he's like, but I'm still gonna keep looking.

0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:14.719
<v Speaker 2>What what do you think, Mackenzie Rainer? Now, is it

0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:17.080
<v Speaker 2>changed at all now that you've played all these McKenzie

0:54:17.160 --> 0:54:19.160
<v Speaker 2>courses in Australia and California.

0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:25.480
<v Speaker 1>You know what what I'll say is.

0:54:27.160 --> 0:54:31.040
<v Speaker 3>Mackenzie definitely had like a different flare about him that

0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:35.399
<v Speaker 3>like his golf courses are one hundred percent like they're

0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:39.320
<v Speaker 3>more beautiful, you know what I mean, And they probably

0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:43.879
<v Speaker 3>like tie in together, get all the little little intricacies

0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:46.600
<v Speaker 3>and details better than like a Rainer.

0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:49.920
<v Speaker 1>But even like when I went to Mountain Lake the

0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 1>other day and put it on like green compile enjoyable

0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:02.000
<v Speaker 1>to a put on for me and.

0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:05.480
<v Speaker 3>To hit shots into because you have you have these

0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:11.759
<v Speaker 3>just simple looking greens that you can make as hard

0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:15.040
<v Speaker 3>as you want with what kind of pin positions you

0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:18.440
<v Speaker 3>put and they're still not crazy, you know what I mean?

0:55:19.040 --> 0:55:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I feel like McKenzie.

0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:23.480
<v Speaker 3>There's so many greens, Like if you look at back

0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:26.719
<v Speaker 3>at like Pasa Timpo, there's so many greens out there

0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:31.200
<v Speaker 3>that realistically only have like one or two hole locations,

0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:34.520
<v Speaker 3>And the same thing goes with like a place like Cyprus.

0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:37.920
<v Speaker 3>Once the greens get to a ten or a eleven,

0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:42.160
<v Speaker 3>there's so much of the greens that are unusable and

0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:48.680
<v Speaker 3>unpinnable to where besides like a couple holes like a

0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:56.440
<v Speaker 3>redan or something else, there's so much more possibilities for

0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:59.640
<v Speaker 3>whole locations and everything like that on a rainer golf

0:55:59.760 --> 0:56:03.600
<v Speaker 3>course that it just seems so fun to play every

0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:05.399
<v Speaker 3>day because it can change so much.

0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense?

0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:07.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:10.800
<v Speaker 2>I think like if you could, I guess it wouldn't

0:56:10.960 --> 0:56:13.239
<v Speaker 2>look I don't think it would look right, But like

0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:21.239
<v Speaker 2>some of the ways that Mackenzie bunkered places with with

0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:24.400
<v Speaker 2>rainer green complexes would be ideal.

0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:26.560
<v Speaker 1>I think you could do that.

0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:29.719
<v Speaker 3>I think you could do that because if you look

0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:33.400
<v Speaker 3>at like a like a rain a rainer course that's bunkered,

0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:34.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, they're.

0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:37.800
<v Speaker 1>All like deep grass faced bunkers.

0:56:38.280 --> 0:56:43.640
<v Speaker 3>So you could do the very beautiful you know bunkers

0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:46.160
<v Speaker 3>with the tongues and everything like that, and I think

0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:47.080
<v Speaker 3>it would look good.

0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:50.839
<v Speaker 1>I think you could do it, for sure. I think

0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:53.800
<v Speaker 1>that's what we do at the Buck Club is just get.

0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:57.440
<v Speaker 3>That perfect combination of the Mackenzie style bunkering with the

0:56:57.719 --> 0:56:59.120
<v Speaker 3>rainer complexes.

0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's uh. I think uh. I would say, I

0:57:05.920 --> 0:57:09.399
<v Speaker 2>think that's possible. I mean, that's the way I would

0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:12.320
<v Speaker 2>think about putting those guys together. You know, That's what

0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:14.959
<v Speaker 2>I think each of them did. I keep thinking about

0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:19.600
<v Speaker 2>super like architects, like if you put everybody together, how

0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:21.720
<v Speaker 2>it would be? But that be impossible.

0:57:21.760 --> 0:57:23.320
<v Speaker 3>That's what they did it. That's what they did. Man,

0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:25.360
<v Speaker 3>That's what they did at PV. And that's why that

0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:27.439
<v Speaker 3>place is the best golf course in the world.

0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:30.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, who could have had Mackenzie.

0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Did, Yeah, Monterey Peninsula. Who else?

0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:36.240
<v Speaker 2>That's it?

0:57:37.240 --> 0:57:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I think, But I think that's I need it. I

0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:43.040
<v Speaker 1>need to say that better right now. Is what I think.

0:57:43.240 --> 0:57:50.680
<v Speaker 1>What Mackenzie did so well was his bunkering and and

0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:51.320
<v Speaker 1>the way he.

0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:55.680
<v Speaker 3>Tied everything together and all the little details and intricacies

0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:58.120
<v Speaker 3>of his golf course, and the way he let you

0:57:58.200 --> 0:58:02.320
<v Speaker 3>get off the tee is so enjoyable. But a lot

0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:06.919
<v Speaker 3>of his courses that I've played, the green complexes, once

0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:10.720
<v Speaker 3>you get to a certain speed, they lose so many

0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:14.200
<v Speaker 3>pin positions to where the golf courses could almost be

0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:18.640
<v Speaker 3>a little repetitive, if that makes sense, to where Rainer

0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:23.880
<v Speaker 3>I would There's so much, so much of the green

0:58:24.000 --> 0:58:28.000
<v Speaker 3>complex is pinnable on all of his greens that you

0:58:28.120 --> 0:58:31.080
<v Speaker 3>can change the golf course up day to day so

0:58:31.360 --> 0:58:34.439
<v Speaker 3>much with the whole locations. I think that's the best

0:58:34.480 --> 0:58:38.240
<v Speaker 3>way to explain it, and that's why I enjoy playing

0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:39.800
<v Speaker 3>a Rainer golf course more.

0:58:40.280 --> 0:58:43.240
<v Speaker 2>Have you played a lot of Bill Flynn courses, William

0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:44.760
<v Speaker 2>a little bit?

0:58:45.400 --> 0:58:48.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah, wild Bill. Wild Bill was solid. He's kind

0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:51.840
<v Speaker 3>of like the perfect marriage of the two. He gets,

0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:57.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, a little more movement on the green. Wild

0:58:57.360 --> 0:59:00.840
<v Speaker 3>Bill does a good job of having a little more

0:59:00.960 --> 0:59:04.760
<v Speaker 3>short grass around the putting surfaces, you know, around the

0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:09.080
<v Speaker 3>green complexes. That's one thing I will say that Rainer lacked.

0:59:09.560 --> 0:59:12.000
<v Speaker 3>He it was a lot of bunkering and a lot

0:59:12.040 --> 0:59:13.880
<v Speaker 3>of rough I don't.

0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Know though, is that just I think that's a lot

0:59:15.720 --> 0:59:20.280
<v Speaker 2>of just shrinkage, bad mowing, over the years.

0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:22.120
<v Speaker 3>Just don't they just don't mow it properly, because like

0:59:22.160 --> 0:59:25.160
<v Speaker 3>even like a place like Mountain Lake the other day

0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:30.120
<v Speaker 3>when I played, it's like all sides are guarded by bunkers.

0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:30.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, except for the front.

0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Rgo golf like that too.

0:59:33.680 --> 0:59:37.720
<v Speaker 3>Short acres is too there's a little more short grass

0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:40.680
<v Speaker 3>around that place. But still if you look, if you

0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:45.120
<v Speaker 3>like look at aerials and everything like that, Rainer definitely

0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:48.040
<v Speaker 3>liked to use bunkering around the greens more like if

0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:51.800
<v Speaker 3>you think about Fisher's Island, like, yeah, every single hole

0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:56.160
<v Speaker 3>it's bunkers left, right and back, you know what I mean. So,

0:59:57.440 --> 0:59:59.960
<v Speaker 3>but that's why I was saying, I feel like William

1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Flynn did a good job of kind of marrying the two.

1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:06.240
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1:00:06.960 --> 1:00:08.920
<v Speaker 3>He he got a little more movement on the greens,

1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:11.280
<v Speaker 3>but still a lot of it was pinnable. And then

1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:12.840
<v Speaker 3>he did a good job of kind of letting you

1:00:12.920 --> 1:00:13.600
<v Speaker 3>have short grass.

1:00:14.360 --> 1:00:16.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, what we should try and do. We should

1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:19.520
<v Speaker 2>try and do around the longest day of the year

1:00:19.600 --> 1:00:22.400
<v Speaker 2>in June, depending on you might be playing in the

1:00:22.520 --> 1:00:25.760
<v Speaker 2>US Open, so this would be move but we play

1:00:26.040 --> 1:00:32.720
<v Speaker 2>either we play Southampton West Hampton National Golf links. It

1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:34.120
<v Speaker 2>would be the rainer day.

1:00:35.600 --> 1:00:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did that basically it was sick.

1:00:40.280 --> 1:00:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Just rainer overload.

1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I uh do that Long Island trip I went on.

1:00:45.800 --> 1:00:47.000
<v Speaker 1>It was the same thing me and.

1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:50.200
<v Speaker 3>You did in SF, but it was on Long Island

1:00:50.320 --> 1:00:52.560
<v Speaker 3>and it was like, it was one of the coolest

1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:56.280
<v Speaker 3>experiences ever just to see all those places. Southampton and

1:00:56.480 --> 1:01:00.959
<v Speaker 3>West Hampton are Dude, they fly super under the radar.

1:01:01.280 --> 1:01:01.840
<v Speaker 1>It's cool.

1:01:02.000 --> 1:01:05.640
<v Speaker 3>Like West Hampton's so quirky and kind of on a

1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:09.560
<v Speaker 3>small ballpark, but you never you never feel like you're

1:01:09.600 --> 1:01:13.600
<v Speaker 3>cramped in there. And then Southampton is really cool. But

1:01:13.720 --> 1:01:16.840
<v Speaker 3>it just I mean, shit, it's right next to National

1:01:17.040 --> 1:01:19.640
<v Speaker 3>and Shinnecock, so it's like, of course, no one's ever

1:01:19.760 --> 1:01:20.840
<v Speaker 3>going to really talk about it.

1:01:21.720 --> 1:01:30.440
<v Speaker 2>That's I mean, National, Shinnacock, Sabonic Southampton being within essentially

1:01:30.480 --> 1:01:32.520
<v Speaker 2>you could just walk to each of them from the

1:01:32.560 --> 1:01:38.040
<v Speaker 2>other one. Yeah, and then you've got wingfoot both courses

1:01:38.200 --> 1:01:41.200
<v Speaker 2>in quaker Ridge where you could like they're right, I mean,

1:01:41.520 --> 1:01:43.560
<v Speaker 2>you could walk to them. That's like the craziest thing

1:01:43.600 --> 1:01:44.360
<v Speaker 2>about New York.

1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they are. I mean it's so good.

1:01:49.120 --> 1:01:51.000
<v Speaker 3>But I think that would be a cool one that

1:01:51.080 --> 1:01:53.280
<v Speaker 3>you just said both of those would be sick on

1:01:53.360 --> 1:01:56.520
<v Speaker 3>the longest day of the year. Try and play either

1:01:56.960 --> 1:02:00.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, both courses at Wingfoot and Quaker, and then

1:02:00.680 --> 1:02:07.360
<v Speaker 3>try and play National Shinny, Southampton and Sabonic on one day.

1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:13.480
<v Speaker 3>That would be get seventy two in. Can you get

1:02:13.520 --> 1:02:15.880
<v Speaker 3>seventy two in in a day? People do it at

1:02:15.920 --> 1:02:18.560
<v Speaker 3>bandon On like the summer Sults, Summer Solstice.

1:02:18.800 --> 1:02:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean people, there's like that hundred hole hike

1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:26.600
<v Speaker 2>that that Jim Colton founded that you do one hundred

1:02:26.640 --> 1:02:28.800
<v Speaker 2>holes in a day for two I.

1:02:28.800 --> 1:02:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Think you could. You could do it, definitely, you could

1:02:30.640 --> 1:02:31.920
<v Speaker 1>definitely do it six.

1:02:32.240 --> 1:02:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Think about it. So like if you tee off at

1:02:34.520 --> 1:02:39.720
<v Speaker 2>six am, you're done with with eighteen by nine thirty

1:02:40.280 --> 1:02:43.440
<v Speaker 2>or now by nine you tee off the next one,

1:02:43.560 --> 1:02:47.600
<v Speaker 2>you're done by noon, take a thirty minute break for lunch.

1:02:48.480 --> 1:02:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Then you're oh, you could do seventy two no problem.

1:02:52.280 --> 1:02:55.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that's the that's the next one we

1:02:55.240 --> 1:02:59.160
<v Speaker 3>do right there, National Shiny, Sabonic and Southampton.

1:02:59.240 --> 1:03:00.440
<v Speaker 1>They're all touching each other.

1:03:00.760 --> 1:03:05.520
<v Speaker 3>You could literally if you got permission somehow, the coolest

1:03:05.560 --> 1:03:07.680
<v Speaker 3>thing I think you could ever do, now that I'm

1:03:07.680 --> 1:03:12.320
<v Speaker 3>thinking about it, would be to start at Sabonic and

1:03:12.840 --> 1:03:15.880
<v Speaker 3>figure out a routing where you know, you don't necessarily

1:03:15.960 --> 1:03:18.280
<v Speaker 3>have to start from one, but like you could start

1:03:18.360 --> 1:03:24.000
<v Speaker 3>from the one tip of the property and play until

1:03:24.000 --> 1:03:27.240
<v Speaker 3>you until you get you know, handed off at National

1:03:27.800 --> 1:03:30.280
<v Speaker 3>and play and then you hand it off kind of

1:03:30.480 --> 1:03:34.960
<v Speaker 3>on like ten, yeah, and go over to Shinny and

1:03:35.040 --> 1:03:37.560
<v Speaker 3>then you get handed off on Shinny on like twelve

1:03:38.240 --> 1:03:41.560
<v Speaker 3>and go play all of Southampton and then come back

1:03:41.800 --> 1:03:45.200
<v Speaker 3>connect back to Shinney, play out until you get back

1:03:45.280 --> 1:03:45.960
<v Speaker 3>to National.

1:03:46.240 --> 1:03:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Play that out and finish it off at Sabonic. Like

1:03:49.760 --> 1:03:53.880
<v Speaker 1>that would be I think that's our new goal in life,

1:03:54.200 --> 1:03:56.080
<v Speaker 1>right there, is to somehow pull.

1:03:56.000 --> 1:04:00.960
<v Speaker 2>That we create a seventy two whole routing using those

1:04:01.240 --> 1:04:02.000
<v Speaker 2>four courses.

1:04:02.520 --> 1:04:04.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to get on that tonight.

1:04:04.680 --> 1:04:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when you figure it out, we'll put the pot

1:04:06.880 --> 1:04:10.080
<v Speaker 2>up just number We'll just number the one through seventy two.

1:04:11.480 --> 1:04:13.760
<v Speaker 1>I think the way you got to do it is, uh,

1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:20.000
<v Speaker 1>you you start. I think you got to finish a

1:04:20.160 --> 1:04:21.600
<v Speaker 1>National somehow.

1:04:21.720 --> 1:04:24.400
<v Speaker 3>You gotta you gotta make a way to finish National

1:04:24.520 --> 1:04:30.120
<v Speaker 3>eighteen because that's like there's not many more amazing pull.

1:04:31.080 --> 1:04:33.320
<v Speaker 1>The sun would be going down over the over the

1:04:33.360 --> 1:04:36.720
<v Speaker 1>fucking day, dude, it would be legendary. We gotta we

1:04:36.760 --> 1:04:37.760
<v Speaker 1>gotta get on that. Man.

1:04:37.840 --> 1:04:40.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna I'm gonna get this. Uh, I'm gonna get

1:04:40.120 --> 1:04:42.080
<v Speaker 3>this dialed in. And that's going to be our goal

1:04:42.200 --> 1:04:43.720
<v Speaker 3>for the year is to somehow.

1:04:43.480 --> 1:04:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Pull that off.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, overrated, underrated? I only think I think I only

1:04:48.800 --> 1:04:52.560
<v Speaker 2>have like one of them. Okay, Shadow Creek.

1:04:54.520 --> 1:04:57.200
<v Speaker 1>I would say, I would say underrated.

1:04:58.760 --> 1:05:01.240
<v Speaker 3>I feel like people talk about it, but it really

1:05:01.400 --> 1:05:03.600
<v Speaker 3>is kind of like a masterpiece.

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<v Speaker 1>To see that place.

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<v Speaker 3>How they virtually took a flat piece of property and

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<v Speaker 3>you go on this wild ride kind of up and

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<v Speaker 3>down and it's it's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Push carts.

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<v Speaker 1>Underrated.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't understand, like how they're not more popular

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<v Speaker 3>over here. It's all people use in both like Scotland

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<v Speaker 3>and Ireland and Australia. It's kind of like you never

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<v Speaker 3>see people with caddies in those places, and you never

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<v Speaker 3>see people with golf carts or carrying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always push carts. So underrated.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, All right, later man, we'll talk soon.

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