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Speaker 1: It's like you were saying, save five thousand dollars over

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Speaker 1: saying you can't pick them out. The guy that was

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Speaker 1: A guide probably change, you know, as you mature as

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't those ticks don't matter. Oh they sure

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Speaker 1: feels like you're like not hunting real good anymore. Yeah,

425
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: that snow happens. No, that makes it tough, It makes

426
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: it treacherous. What years was that you were that you're

427
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: up there doing all this. Um, I moved up there

428
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: and I guess it was nineties six and then moved

429
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: back in two thousand ten. Yeah, back to him Montown,

430
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 1: And that's when you started making packs. Did you just

431
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: quit Electrician NG altogether? No, No, I didn't. I didn't

432
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: ever quit. I think that's that's one of the keys

433
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: to the business personally, because what do you mean, because

434
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 1: I was able to make decisions that are best for

435
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 1: the business, not best for me. You know, I wasn't

436
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: trying to put cash in my pocket. I was able

437
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: to do mean, it was key that you kept having

438
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: a different Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, And yeah, you

439
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,479
Speaker 1: know it was it was a really unique decision. But

440
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: I didn't have to be in a spot where I

441
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: was trying to pull extra out so my family had

442
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 1: health insurance. And you know, especially when you're when you're smaller,

443
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: and and I think it allowed, in my opinion, allowed

444
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: the company to grow faster, you know, pose it. It's

445
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 1: not my personality to try to go hit up an

446
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: investor and take out hundreds of thousands of dollars in

447
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: leverage everything I have. Um not that I didn't believe in,

448
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: it was just not my personality and I would rather

449
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: I believe that if I was building a good product,

450
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: that it was going to grow itself. You know, I

451
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 1: didn't have to shove it down anybody's throat. And there

452
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: was a process of going along. When you bring the

453
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: first you you bring it to market, you get that

454
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: feedback and you you slowly start to make those changes

455
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: that take it from a good product to an exceptional product.

456
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: And you need that time. You can't just come up

457
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: with it. I mean some people do. I shouldn't say

458
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: it way. I didn't. And I knew that it had

459
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: room to expand and it needed to grow. You know

460
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: what's different about them? And I've used the Brazilian packs,

461
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: and I liked the Brazilian packs over the years, but

462
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: it's like some packs you get and you're like, it's

463
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: just like someone's like, I'm just gonna make a pack,

464
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: like how people make packs. My key my secret sauce

465
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: would be how I market my pack, right honest, gonna

466
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: go take you know, whatever people like and make a

467
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: version of that and try to sell it. It's like

468
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: a very different pack. Yeah, I mean, you get it.

469
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: You gotta mess with it for a minute, and then

470
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: you go through like a day of a little bit

471
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: frustrated and then all of a sudden you're like, oh no,

472
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 1: ship that's why that's like that, And then that's a

473
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: fun feeling to have over the course of a few

474
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: days where you kind of go like I got it now,

475
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, like your buddies like no, no, no,

476
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: do this and you'll be loving You're like, oh yeah,

477
00:25:54,800 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: that's right because it's like really unique features and unique design.

478
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: Is it kind of like solve problems that you didn't

479
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: know we're there? But one of the biggest things is

480
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: is uh that it's like they're so like, I don't know,

481
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: tidy is that a word you guys using the backpack?

482
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna start but cleaning. Yeah, like clean

483
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: tidy packs. Yeah. We were eating a real fancy dinner

484
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: there night, and I told the smali a remember the wine.

485
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: Just he had all these wine descriptions. I said, you

486
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: need to start describing certain wines as rough and tumble wines.

487
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: He wasn't using. He was using a lot of more

488
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: effeminate terminology, but he out the other. But yeah, it's

489
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: like a tidy kind of like clean nothing, no ship

490
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: snagging on brush kind of pack. Well that's because you

491
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: put that on the lady. No bills and whistles, no

492
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: ships snagging on brush packs. Yeah. Well, what I was

493
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: really hoping to do for myself was to have a

494
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: pack because at the time, you know, it's hunting in Alaska,

495
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: is hunting sheep, doing a little about to moose hunting

496
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: up there. And then I was coming back and I

497
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: was hunting in Montana, yeah, you know when I could

498
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: get Yeah, but that was before that, unfortunately, so I

499
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: was still having a draw a tack at that point. Um,

500
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: what do you mean, Well, they have to come back

501
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: to hunt in Montana now, so you but that's only

502
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: good for one year, right, that's a good question. I

503
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: don't know, because I wasn't ever in that because I

504
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: think there was like two different kinds, like one was

505
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: just if you were. Yeah, I can't remember how they were,

506
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: but anyways, didn't have that program. Yeah, they didn't have

507
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,239
Speaker 1: that program. So a long story short, I was looking for.

508
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: I was just looking to build a pack that I

509
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 1: could use everywhere, and you know, the same thing if

510
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: I was going hiking, if I you know, whatever it

511
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: might be, so I could pack in all my gear

512
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: just like you said, take it down and make it

513
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: tidy and be able to day hunt out of it.

514
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: Still pull my bow, keep it tight, you know, tight

515
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: footprint on your back, and just try to hit that

516
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: middle ground so that you always had it on. Because

517
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: I didn't ever take my pack off, you know, whether

518
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: it's whether I was packing all my stuff in or

519
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: whether I was actually hunting. Um, I always had it on.

520
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: So I wanted to be functional. I wanted to be

521
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: narrow on the pack so you can move. Didn't want

522
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: it to be noisy, and just like you said, tidy,

523
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: but then but then you can blow it up. But

524
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: then you can blow it up. Always have people being like,

525
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: I don't understand what you always gott in that pack.

526
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, lot's is nothing in that pack. But I'm

527
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: not gonna get something and then go on some hell

528
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: hike back to go get my pack and then hike

529
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: all the way back up again to go fetch it.

530
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: That's it. I was gonna have it with me. Yeah.

531
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: And if you have an empty pack, you know, and

532
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: say you're hunting out, you can you know, you can

533
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: get a lot out if you have your your friend

534
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: with you, because yeah, that's why. More and more of

535
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: the packs I like are the kinds that like have

536
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: a lot of space that actually blow up big. But

537
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: the key is making it that once you tuck it

538
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: all into itself and sinch everything down, it's like you

539
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: basically got like a board on your back almost, but

540
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: it can blow out and be like a gigantic m

541
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: haul in apparatus. And this thing too about packs is uh,

542
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: I kind of always tell me because you know what

543
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: you used to get in situations where you're gonna like

544
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: leave your pack for a minute. Yeah, I just I

545
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: never leave you know the pocalypse now, never get out

546
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: of the boat. And I'm like, never leave your pack.

547
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: People like they get to where they're gonna like, yeah,

548
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna make a shot from the ridge.

549
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: So this is all leave our packs. I'm yeah, you

550
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. Then you're gonna get up on

551
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: the bridge. You're gonna like, shoot, it's gonna you're gonna

552
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: wing it. It's gonna run off. You're gonna run over

553
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: the next bridge and see what's going on. You're gonna

554
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: see it, go over the next ridge and next thing

555
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's been dark for three hours. You don't

556
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: know where you're at, no clue where your pack is.

557
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: You know, It's like I do I now every time

558
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: I think like, yeah, I leave my pack, I'm like, no,

559
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: you will not leave your pack. Yeah, yeah, you're not

560
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: gaining much in it, even if you're carrying all your gears.

561
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: So now if you're at thirty five pounds, you know

562
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: minus rife plus your minus, if you always have that

563
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: with you, you hunt right to dark, you kick out

564
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: a flat spot, you're going to sleep, and you wake

565
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: up and you go when you compare that to try

566
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: and to go back to camp, get back into a spot,

567
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where you're at, hiking in the dark,

568
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: all that other ship, Mandy, you're just way ahead of

569
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: the game. In my opinion that and that's what I

570
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: always try to do. I'm not gonna say it always happens,

571
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, because sometimes it just doesn't make sense. But

572
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: typically on longer hunts, it's everything goes with you every step,

573
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: and then you know you can back out and throw

574
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: a camp up. But I don't know if I've ever

575
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: seen somebody leave their pack behind and have it work

576
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: out to the time. Countless times I've seen, and myself

577
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: included dropping packs, not once. I can't think of one

578
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: time it was like, thank god, I've even like, he God,

579
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: I didn't bring my backpack. I've even taking mine off

580
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: and then like got away from it and then I

581
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: thought about it, took away point. You know, it's just like, yeah,

582
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: never leave your pack, Never leave your pack. So did

583
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: already mentioned you guys both killed a thing in Unlimited

584
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: you I wanna explain this now. Earlier I called Pete

585
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: and said, hey, add up. How many big horn tags

586
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: there are? Okay, state of Montana. How many big horn

587
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: tags are available in this state of Montana lottery tags? Yeah,

588
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start even more bases in this Okay, this

589
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: is for New Jersey cat ladies so they can understand

590
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: we're talking about, Um, there's there's uh, this is this.

591
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna trim this up a little bit

592
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: and say there's three types of hunting tags. Yeah, I

593
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: need to jump in. When you don't like something, I

594
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: to say, I'm trying to simplify it without two two

595
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: types might be the most simple. Laders govern tas. Okay, okay, okay,

596
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: So you got There's the thing we call over the

597
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: counter tags OTC tags. It's a kind of tag where

598
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: if you're hunting deer in Wisconsin, Michigan, wherever, and you

599
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: can go down to the gas station and buy a

600
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: life anybody, anybody, any time, just go in, you buy

601
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: your deer license. In that situation, the resource is strong

602
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: enough to meet all of the demand, all of the

603
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: demand on the resource. There's no restriction on allocation of opportunity.

604
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: Anyone who wants to go can go. When you get

605
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: a population of animals that has more demand than supply,

606
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: you need to limit how many people are gonna get

607
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: an opportunity to hunt. And you do this by having

608
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: what we call limited draw tags lottery tags. And what

609
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: they do is they find a democratic way to allocate

610
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: the tags to all the people who wish they could go,

611
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: and it generally works at you fill out the application

612
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: and send in a little bit of money or sometimes

613
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: a lot of money. The state um does a drawing,

614
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: pulls names out of the hat, and then they hand

615
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: out tags. And some tags are lottery draws, and it's like,

616
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: if you fill out your materials, you'll probably get it, right,

617
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, you could be you could be almost guaranteed

618
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: to get it because there's one hundred of them available

619
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: and in most years only guys apply, so they're limiting,

620
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: but it's easy to drop. The third kind of tag

621
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: is like, I'm gonna do the third kind of A

622
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: and the third kind of beat the third kind of A.

623
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: The third kind of tag is awarded not democratic, but

624
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: it's awarded to the highest bidder, okay, and there's very

625
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: few of those in the country. The reason I bring

626
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: that kind of and that's the thing that there's a

627
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: thing called landowner tags. I am doing A and B three.

628
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: A is a landowner tag where a guy owns a

629
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: big gas chunk of land and it provides core vital

630
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: habitat and so the rewards this individual for providing good

631
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: while theife habitat by giving him some tags that he

632
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: can do with as he wishes, and he can sell them,

633
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: use them, give him to his nephew. Three B is

634
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: a governor's tag that's sold to the general public. Highest bidder.

635
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: Is everybody cool with this? STI permit governor's tags. What's

636
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: what makes governor's tag so valuable is that many of

637
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: them you can hunt all year anywhere that they issue tags.

638
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: What do you mean all year? There's so like you

639
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: buy the Arizona Governor's tag. Because here's the thing, was

640
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: she It doesn't matter because he doesn't shed his horn.

641
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: He's not like you know, so you could feasibly hone

642
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: when you can hunt when no one's hounting. When she

643
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: would she really if you draw like the if you

644
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: get the governor's tag elk tag, you're not gonna go

645
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: in May and shoot some bowl of six inch velvet

646
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: stubs sticking out the top of his head. But what

647
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: she was like? Why not? So they sweetened it up

648
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: by letting you hunt year round, And they sweetened it

649
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: up by ah, you tell them to get rid of

650
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: that gun. I'm tell him to get rid of the guy, right,

651
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't pop it. It wasn't out he handed you see,

652
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: he handed me gum. He was like, oh, you want

653
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: some gum. I was like, no, dude, I don't want

654
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't want some to take your gun out. So, uh,

655
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: where was that? We're talking about Governor's tex Governor's tag.

656
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: But yeah, but so you can hunt anywhere in the state,

657
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: but you can't hunt anywhere in the state. You can

658
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: hunt anywhere in the state that hunting for that species

659
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: is allowed in some form or another. I mean that

660
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: makes sense, right, or glacier because now the highest selling

661
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: Governor's tag in the country happens to be in Montana. Correct,

662
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: And every year it go that always makes the news.

663
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: Often times it goes to a guy who owns the

664
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: chain of sandwich shops. Sandwich shops he likes. A man

665
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: with a chain of sandwich shops like to buy the

666
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: governor's tags. The guy that owns Jimmy John's right, the

667
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: same guy. It's the same guy. He's bout some numbers.

668
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: It is it limited to just Montana resident residents ever

669
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: bought the Montana go Okay, and uh, it's always in

670
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: the vicinity of between over three hundred thousand dollars every

671
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: year is a little different. Um, but I think between

672
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: two to five dollars. So with that kind of like timeline,

673
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: what's the percentage of that person, Like, um, what's their

674
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: success rate? These guys are these guys? Yeah, they're not

675
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: hunting them though they're trigger men. When a guy buys

676
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: the governor tag, what he does he hires a whole posse.

677
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: He hires a posse of of eager young fellers who

678
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: go out and scour in this state. They scour the

679
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: Missouri Breaks. So the biggest rocky mountain big horns in

680
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: the world is the General's amis Johnny Street. The biggest

681
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: rocky mountain big horns in the world come out of

682
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: the Missouri Breaks. There's some tankers in Alberta. What's that

683
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: area now, Bertha Line? But big, big ass. You're like, yeah,

684
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: just stay you stand behind a big horn. Look at

685
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: the way that scroll. I was going to ask you

686
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: because we had a video YouTube. Are you telling Joe

687
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: Rogan about like how big those hanging way below what

688
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: I tossed you in the garage? That honest Yeah, I

689
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: was picking up meat for the cookbook shoot that were

690
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: actually in town doing this feat And he's like Hey,

691
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: you haven't he used to, he's and he throws me

692
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: a set of frozen You need to make a extra

693
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: big pack for packing those time. So that's the governor's tax.

694
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: Now when when it dude buys a governer's tag, This

695
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: guy generally like, you're a trigger man. The guys of

696
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: bibles are trigger man. They don't have time, right, They're

697
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: not gonna go out and spend the whole summer out

698
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: sweat is that they have all of the time in

699
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: the world. No, they're not here. Not here. That's the difference.

700
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 1: In Montana, you have to hunt within the rate. Well

701
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: some seasons. Every state handles the governor's tax is in

702
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: the general hunting season, just like everybody else who would

703
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: draw the tags. Yeah, basically what they get here is

704
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: they get to hunt any unit. So um and actually

705
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: I don't believe that there's any area here that they

706
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: can hunt that there isn't already I've never heard. Yeah,

707
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: I've never heard of exclusive access. And they don't have

708
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: exclusive You can go to river Bridge where you want,

709
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: and you can go to places that might only have

710
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: that might only otherwise to give out one tag. But

711
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: what so, I mean oftentimes a guy will buy a

712
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: governor's tag because he already knows what he's going to

713
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: be going after, because they'll get ten, twenty whatever. They'll

714
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: hire glasses who will go out to the areas that

715
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: everyone knows holds big, big horns. And these guys are like,

716
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: these are real woodsmen. Those are the guys hunting the ramp.

717
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: And they'll put together a dossier on every sheep they

718
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: can find in the unit, and the guy will peruse

719
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: the dossier. Come on, the detail of this kind of

720
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: stuff would blow your mind. I've given you the version

721
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: that doesn't make people that angry. So but so the incentive,

722
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: like long story shirt, the incentive is that they spend

723
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: a lot of money and then it goes back into conservation. Right. Yes,

724
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: there in lies the rup So okay, I wasn't getting

725
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: all this not gonn get a little bit bar uh okay,

726
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: let's up eighteen for you to Martin versus Waddel was

727
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: a Supreme Court decision, and it was a Supreme Court

728
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: decision that settled a dispute between an oysterman got a

729
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: commercial oyster harvester in the New Jersey meadow lands and

730
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: a landowner who traced his ownership of the land to

731
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: a land grant made by King George the Second to

732
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: the Duke of Earl, I believe. And when King George

733
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: the Second gave this land of the Duke of Earl,

734
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: who passed along down the line to him, he gave

735
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: him the land. And with the land came all the fishings, huntings,

736
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: hawkings and foulings. Because in Europe, when you own the land,

737
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: you own the animals. Now the guys out picking oysters.

738
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: The guy says, you can't pick oysters. I own the

739
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: oysters because I owned the land up against the water

740
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: where you're picking oysters. Goes all the way to the

741
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. The Supreme Court decides, they say this, They say,

742
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: because we have the Declaration of Independence, and the Declaration

743
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: of Independence stripped all of the rights of the sovereign,

744
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: stripped all of the rights of the king, and gave

745
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: it to the people. So by virtue of the Declaration

746
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: of Independence, we are deciding that the animals in this

747
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: country belong to the people, that you do not belong

748
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: to the king, and the animals will be administered on

749
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: the people's behalf by their state. And it was meant

750
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: to be that we had a system of the democratic

751
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: allocation of wildlife. Governor's tags are a perversion of the

752
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: democratic allocation of wildlife because you're selling it to the

753
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: highest bidder, lottery draws or democratic with your name in

754
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: the hat. Everyone's at the same chance. However, here's where

755
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: it's the kind of thing where I don't agree or

756
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: disagree because of that money is spent on the ground

757
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: for big horn conservation and big horns are absent, Like

758
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: we've done a lot for recovery. We don't even scratched

759
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: the surface. I'm putting big horns back where they block,

760
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: like elk absent from their historic range in this country.

761
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: You would never get that because it seems like elk revery,

762
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: but they're not there. Used to be elk in Michigan,

763
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, And I mean there's some number, but they

764
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: used to. Like if you look at elk distribution in

765
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: this country at the time of European contact is the

766
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: whole damn country almost. So there's a lot of work

767
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: to be done on big horns, and that's a big

768
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: gass chunk of money every year. Maybe it's not fair.

769
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: It's very very hot topic, hot contentious topic, and both

770
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: sides are right my first years. They're both wrong first

771
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: years guiding in Arizona. I can't remember. I think I

772
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: was still scouting you because I didn't have the client

773
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: with me. But I was going to hit the spot

774
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: out that was like two hours almost from where our

775
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: staying via truck and then um like side by side

776
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: because the road was so rough, right, So get up

777
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: trailer like thirty minutes, get to a rough road, plump

778
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: side by side, and then run another hour and a

779
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: half in the dark trying to get to this spot

780
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: at daylight to see who was hanging around. So no, ELK,

781
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: I think I was just going to check a water hole. You, Yeah,

782
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: as I'm kind of closing it on the spot where

783
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to get huh yeah, down in this area.

784
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: Can you add this on your story? Yeah, down in

785
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: this area, you could take a bucket of water and

786
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: dump it out on a road and the bullet come

787
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: out and wallow in it. Yes, sometimes tell that story

788
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: added in somehow weave it in. Yeah, I don't. I

789
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: don't know if they've ever actually made a wall by

790
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: the thing that they had seen spots where there was

791
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: like old tracks, maybe like the remnants of some wallowing

792
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: in a road like in an old dry and they said, oh,

793
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: I wonder what would happened, you're yeah, we just they

794
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: happened to have whatever. You know, it was fifty gallons

795
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: of water in the truck for whatever reason, probably to

796
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: fill up the trailer, and they dropped six gallons into

797
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: this mud hole and put a trail cam up in

798
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: the tree and came back twenty four hours later and

799
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: sure enough it's a dry place. You weaved it right in.

800
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: So continued, But yeah, I'm buzzing down the road two hours,

801
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, through the darkness and trying to look at

802
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: my GPS make sure I'm in the right spot, getting

803
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: ready to start hiking, and uh, I kind of see

804
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: like the flash of like where my lights might hit

805
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: some other like tail lights or something. As I'm kind

806
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: of getting closer from getting to park, and I think

807
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: I had to park. Maybe it was like the end

808
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: of the road, or I forget what the reason was

809
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: why you had to stop there. But anyways, I'm pulling

810
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: in and I come around one or more corner, and

811
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: also I can see that there are trucks there, you know,

812
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: and there's some people and they're awake too, must be hunters.

813
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: I mean, there's the only reason people would be out there,

814
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, awake at that time in the morning. And

815
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: as I pull up, it's like the whole camp is like,

816
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: who's that, you know, and they turned and I must

817
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: have seen twenty headlamps turn in my direction and they're

818
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: just shining up all these trucks and I'm like, holy ship,

819
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: and I kind of got scared. So I'm like, what

820
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: what what what? What? What? Why? Why are you guys

821
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: all out here? It's party? And so I just kind

822
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: of kept rolling, went on, did my scouting, and then

823
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: later it didn't take long, you know, through who I

824
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: was with, you know, there was some texting phone calls

825
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, do you guys have a guy

826
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: down here this morning? And they're like, yeah, we've been

827
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: on a big Bowl and we've got seventy trail cameras

828
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: out um, you know, we got the guy coming in tomorrow.

829
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, I'm not gonna hang

830
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: out here any longer. But there was a Governor's tag.

831
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean, I'm not kidding. It was like

832
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: twenty headlamps all turned at once, like who's rolling in

833
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: there on our spot? On this big bowl that we've

834
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: been looking for. So then what kind of tips do

835
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: you think that those guys get you? Can you fill

836
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: in some of the details on the dudes that find

837
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: the rams for the governor's tag? Guys, have you been

838
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: involved in that? No? I haven't. I haven't that interests you.

839
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: Uh no, not not necessarily, but but not because I

840
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: have anything against it. There's just you know, I'd rather

841
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: be scouting for myself to um. Now, when you say

842
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: you have nothing against it, what do you mean? I

843
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: mean I don't have anything against it? But what do

844
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: you mean by that? Well, I think it is something

845
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: to be against it. It' no, I personally don't know.

846
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: I think that it's a hot topic. You know. It's

847
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: interesting because just for the reasons we're talking about. Yeah, yeah,

848
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: some people don't like the idea that that you can

849
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: just go by what what what somebody else has to

850
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: put in for. But you have the chance to go

851
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: by it. I have the chance to go by it.

852
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: You know, I could mortgage my house. I could do

853
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, any of those things and throw my name

854
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: in the hat if it is that important to me. So,

855
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, the fairness you're saying, you would mortgage your

856
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: house to buy the Governor's not like you gotta bee.

857
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, I thinking about yeah, sweethearts to be

858
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: talking about something thinking about no, But I mean, I

859
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: mean we're all free, we're all free to raise our

860
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: hand at those auctions. So so yeah, and I yeah,

861
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: I see both sides of it. And it's different, you know. Um,

862
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: but if someone said, like, hey, you like to you're

863
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: good at fine and cheap, would you like to do

864
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 1: some scouting for me, you just uh wouldn't. I don't

865
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: have time. I don't have time to go scout for

866
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: myself these days, you know. So it's maybe it's just

867
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: a different spot that. Yeah. And I've never never been

868
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: approached to it, I'm not. But we do have several

869
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: close friends that have been involved in the process. Yep, yep,

870
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: for sure. And you know you hear, you hear all

871
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: different types of stories, you know, like you saying with

872
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: you know ten twelve guys. Uh, the guys I know

873
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: have been involved. Are you know a couple of guys

874
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: out there bust in their ass to do scouting year round? Well,

875
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say y're around. You know, they're typically not

876
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: in those areas in the winters, but you know throughout

877
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: the summers and and yeah, I mean, so somebody pays

878
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: for it at the end, somebody's paying for them to

879
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: be they are they are there. Those are like crackman,

880
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: those are the crack commando hunters. Yeah, there's no woods

881
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: in the Missouri River breaks there the brakes, you know,

882
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: and you look at the history of the Montana Governor Tag.

883
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: You know historically they weren't up here hunting the brakes.

884
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: You know, back in the late or in the early

885
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: and mid nineties, they were hunting Perma Paradise and they

886
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: were hunting wrong. Absolutely, yeah, Scott and oh yeah, those

887
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: guys and I want to say it, Scot, I might

888
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: have it wrong. There was there was a guy who

889
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 1: bought it two years in a row, chasing one ram

890
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: or as the story goes, um somewhere in that nineties

891
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: time frame out of Perma Paradise or one of those units.

892
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a true mountain hunt. It's uh and

893
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, they're in the timber that

894
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: that so so you know you have to take it

895
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: all with a grain of salt because it's uh one unfair. No, No,

896
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: absolutely take me to task if you just don't know

897
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: that I described it the wrong way. No, No, absolutely not,

898
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: because but I will say, in my opinion, I think

899
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: that there's a vast difference between a governor tag in

900
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: Montana with the guys I know that have been involved

901
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: in the work and all the rest of it, in

902
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: comparison to what you might describe where you have a

903
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: twelve month season, um, you know in one of these

904
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: other states and the boat shot in August when there

905
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: isn't even a hunting season. So those are two different animals. Yeah,

906
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: whether one's right or whether one's wrong, I'm not saying,

907
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: but those are that's that's a that's a different deal.

908
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: Because these bodies do some of the Governor's sheep Desert

909
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: sheep tags, yeah, down in Arizona. And these are some

910
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: dudes that like to be out. They like to be

911
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: out in the wood or not. They like to be

912
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: on the desert and they like to be out the

913
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: desert for months on end, and they like to look

914
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: through b knoculars. That that's what these guys like to do.

915
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: And they're they they're the ones that are hunting those sheets.

916
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: It's just like the guy that's one point, I'm not

917
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: gonna let you change my mind about not to try

918
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: to change my mind anything like. Those are the people

919
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: that hunted the sheet for sure. Every now and then, though,

920
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: I bet you must get somebody that actually wants to

921
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,959
Speaker 1: hunt on their own, and it doesn't some other guys

922
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: do the leg where. Yeah, there's a good friend of our,

923
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: Lorenzo from Go Hunt has the Idaho Big Horn Governor's

924
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: tag this year and he's going d I y. Really, Yes,

925
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: he's going to Hell's Canyon all on his own, really

926
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: on the Governor's coolest guy ever. That's cool. But Steve,

927
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: someone paid you to go scout for them to the

928
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: Governor's tag, would you do it? Listen? Man? Uh, at

929
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: the time that I would have been at the at

930
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: a time, absolutely, but I wouldn't have been qualified. Like

931
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: at the time that I would have jumped at the opportunity,

932
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been Not that I'm qualified now, I

933
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: can make it like some sort of argument now that

934
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: I would be that I would be able to go

935
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: scrape up some sheep and maybe find some sheep in

936
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 1: a place that people hadn't known they were there. Whatever.

937
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: So I like to wander around the through binoculars. Um.

938
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, at a time I would have jumped at it,

939
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: but I would have been a shitty hire did later

940
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: been like, I don't know why I did that? Do

941
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: that job camp up there with his girlfriends some van

942
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: so uh um no, So anyhow, that's that's uh three

943
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: beat okay? How many? Okay? Drawing So so the Governor's tag,

944
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: you buy that for a whole shipload of money. You

945
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: get to go hunt if you want to draw a

946
00:51:55,080 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: tag in the vicinity Air governors tag holders like the Hunt,

947
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: meaning the best units in the country. You have about

948
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: a percent of a percent. It's about one in a

949
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: thousand less than that. Yeah, you know, we'd have to

950
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: look up. I can tell that I haven't put in

951
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: for fifteen years and I haven't drawn it yet. Oh

952
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: yeah you are. You are less than one nineteen. I've

953
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: been putting in for nineteen years. They've been doing bonus

954
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: points for fourteen or whatever the hell is. Yeah, that's

955
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: right in the back of their eggs. You can look

956
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: it up for each unit. But you know, I want

957
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: to say a lot of them are in that you know,

958
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: four tenths of a percent or five. But if you

959
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: draw and in some tags get better. Like you know,

960
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: we're just talking about rams too, because you can draw

961
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: U take like my old girlfriend, you take first year

962
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: she ever applied, But we're talking about rams. There are

963
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: some units that have slightly better odds, and those tend

964
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: to be units um that don't grow big gas ramp

965
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: when you see even good odds and good odds. What

966
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: we're referring to is a three to five percent draw.

967
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: I don't think there's such a two to on some years,

968
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: that would be the best odds you could find in

969
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: Montana and chasing, and that would be the extremely good odds.

970
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: And when those odds come up, it's usually because the

971
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: weird fluke happen, so like a bunch of attention focuses

972
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: somewhere else. Everyone then looks and goes like, oh wow,

973
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: now that the results came out, I see that last

974
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: year you had a two percent chance of drawing in

975
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: this unit. I'm gonna try that next year and that's like, yeah,

976
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: you and every other dude in the world is gonna

977
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: see that, and then you're all gonna pounce on that unit.

978
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: And then the next year you're gonna look in that

979
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: unit had a point five percent chance of drawing because

980
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 1: everybody saw that. It was a two percent. So you're

981
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: not the longest short of it is, you're not gonna

982
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: draw big horn tag. My brother drew big warntag. Very good.

983
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: Um this year, No, no, no, A few years ago,

984
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: a lot of years ago. We had fun though. Man,

985
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: we had a great time. He drew down at um

986
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: just outside of Gardener. Oh, very good. There's an unlimited

987
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 1: unit across the road. Yeah, but he drew the cinembar

988
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: mountain there. Uh so there's that you're not gonna draw one.

989
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 1: If you do draw one, you're gonna get a ramp,

990
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: right Yeah, Well if you show up and put in

991
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: some time, you kill ramp. It was a hundred nineteen tags. Yeah,

992
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: and I don't know if we missed a unit on there,

993
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: but it was just looking it up beforehand at success

994
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: rate and so and this is this is off of it.

995
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: This is off of just the tags issued, so that

996
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: that's not even assuming everybody hunted. This state has a

997
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: shipload of relative to all other states, Like this day

998
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: has a shipload of tags. They gave out a hundred

999
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: plus tags. Yeah, I think it. Well, this this has

1000
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: it at a hundred nineteen but I would say it's

1001
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: there within a couple of them. Does you say how

1002
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: many mugs applied for a hundred nineteen tags? M hm No,

1003
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: Well times of hungry right or more so, if you draw,

1004
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a high quality sheep hunt and if

1005
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: you put in your time like you will kill a sheep. Yeah.

1006
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: But now keep in mind all this ship has nothing

1007
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: to do with anything. We're just laying the ground where

1008
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: what I want to talk about. There are a couple

1009
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: of spots where there's a different system in place, and

1010
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: these are the famed in some circles. These are the

1011
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: famed unlimited units, and they're very remote areas in Montana

1012
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: where any where it's over the counter where any time

1013
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: to kind of over the colm, you gotta put it in.

1014
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: You gotta fill out the application and send it in.

1015
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: But anyone that wants can go. Try to get the

1016
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: sheet guaranteed draw guaranteed draw. You fill in your application,

1017
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: you can hunt sheep. Yes, the application may one, Okay,

1018
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: it's unlit by May one. You send in your thing,

1019
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: you can go. And theise are the most not the

1020
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: most yeah, like borderline, the most rugged areas in the state.

1021
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: I would argue outside of the state. I mean that's

1022
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: some of the earlier stuff in the lower for what

1023
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: they do to what they do to protect the herd

1024
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: is they put a mortality quota down where they're like,

1025
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: anybody that wants can come hunt. But once you boys

1026
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: kill what two once to get killed, it's over. So

1027
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: you gotta be calling because that's what if it was

1028
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: a draw hunt, they'd be given her unit per unit

1029
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 1: sheep can get killed. Yeah, and what's the cutoffs? Remember,

1030
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 1: like with bears and units like that, it used to

1031
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 1: be like seventy two hours buffer periods. Yeah, I feel

1032
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: like yeah, and I feel like one of them is

1033
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: shorter than that. I think that that one out of

1034
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: gardeners twenty four. How often does it go over though

1035
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: pretty rarely. Every year is a little different. You hear

1036
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: about it happening more back in the day. I've heard

1037
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: a lot of stories of you know, in the night

1038
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: for satellite communications or yeah, because people wouldn't get word. Yeah.

1039
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: And in some of the unlimited units, Uh, what makes

1040
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: them tricky is it the sheep aren't even there correct

1041
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: until the weather turns bad, So you could have the

1042
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: whole season pass and the weather never gets shitty enough,

1043
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:44,919
Speaker 1: and the sheet like when we when when my brother

1044
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: drew a big horn tag, we're hunting sheet that are

1045
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: coming off lightning peak and you could hunt on open day.

1046
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: You could go there and cover every square inch of

1047
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: the unit. But they're literally like there are not cheap

1048
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: in the unit. Correct, And then one day there are

1049
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: sheep in the unit because they migrate down into the

1050
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: unit and then you go down there and there they are. Um.

1051
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: So some of the unlimited units are like that. But

1052
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: on the unlimited units to have or they have a

1053
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: mortality to there's some years that no one gets the two. Oh. Absolutely,

1054
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: it's it's very regular. So I mean last the quota

1055
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: never gets met. Last year com Yeah, last year five

1056
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: O two didn't didn't is what these specs say. So yeah,

1057
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: I mean half of them and and I think that

1058
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: that's pretty normal. That's pretty normal that half of them

1059
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: won't fill out. Yeah. Well, and you have to take

1060
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: into consideration that the season opens September. There's no weapons restrictions,

1061
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: so you know most people are hunting with a rifle

1062
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: and goes until the Sunday after Thanksgiving. So what is

1063
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: two and a half months and an unlimited numbers of

1064
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: people going there and they can't scrape up two ramps.

1065
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: They sold two d unlimited tags last year. Yeah, that's

1066
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: what the specs said. So did you you got one

1067
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: last year? That's it. I'm surprised if it's that low. Yeah,

1068
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean you got killed eight eight. So the success

1069
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:23,479
Speaker 1: rate was, uh two point six seven, So two point

1070
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: six seven percent of the guys that throw in on

1071
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: the unlimited get yeah. Yeah, yeah, And I mean it's

1072
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: and that's that's pretty standard. Um, I you know though

1073
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: those numbers aren't. That's not dude. Yeah, that's a normal year.

1074
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: That's that's a normal year. And you know, and take

1075
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: all of these with a grain of salt because you

1076
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, you you pull these off the fishing game websites.

1077
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: Ouf there's if we're off a tenth percent. Yeah yeah,

1078
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: So now what year did you do this? Two? Did

1079
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: you try a lot of years before you got one?

1080
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: Two years? Did you guys get yours? Did you have

1081
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: you both gotten yours in the same location, different units? Yeah? Yeah,

1082
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: all right, So tell me what happened, like, like, give

1083
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: me the rundown on what happened when you did it?

1084
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: Your first year? Start with your first trip. Oh yeah,

1085
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: Well my first year, I had just got done Honey

1086
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: in Alaska, and um I took a RAM up there,

1087
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: and uh, I was a non resident. I wasn't a

1088
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: resident of Montana at that time, so I bought the

1089
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: I bought the the over the counter non resident tag

1090
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: for the unlimited units and I came down and I mean,

1091
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: you were non resident Montanas, non resident Montana at that time,

1092
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I came down and and just

1093
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: gave it everything. I had just flew down to Montana.

1094
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: Your with your up backpack that you made yourself, That's

1095
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: exactly what it was, and struck off into the mountains. Yeah,

1096
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: struck off into the mountains. And you know it's a

1097
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: by yourself. Yeah. Yeah, but it was an interesting story

1098
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: because it was it was before I don't know, it

1099
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: was a few days before the season started and I

1100
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: was trying to get on. Yeah yeah, but you know,

1101
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: the more I learned about it there that rarely happens. Really,

1102
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: did you sure hear about it? Yeah, but it's kind

1103
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: of like you hear the same stories where you have

1104
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: to be their opening day and be on a RAM

1105
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: or you'll never fill it. Well, I mean the data

1106
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: tells you that that's just not the case. So but regardless,

1107
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: So I'm standing in the parking lot, I'm getting all

1108
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: my stuff together, and I'm in this trailhead and there's

1109
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: a guy kind of getting his stuff together. I don't

1110
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: know if he's hiking or what he's doing. And then

1111
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: Allison a rifle case comes out and we're starting from

1112
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: the same trailhead and there's only you know, there aren't

1113
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: a ton of them throughout, you know, these units, because

1114
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: you're going into the wilderness. And so I figured, well,

1115
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go talk to the wilderness with the capital W. Yeah,

1116
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: it's readily designated wilderness. Yes, their tooth wilderness. Yeah. And

1117
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: so I just said, well, I better go chat with

1118
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: this guy. Yeah. It's like four days in you take

1119
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: different routes, you're both standing on the same mountain. So yeah,

1120
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: I went in and talk to him. He was a

1121
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: really nice guy and he said, yeah, this is my

1122
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: seventh year of doing this, and I was like, man,

1123
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: that's that's awesome. You've got some stamina on this. It's

1124
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: in the back of my head I'm thinking he hadn't no,

1125
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: he hadn't killed no, you know, you know, well, it's

1126
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: like kind of quison. How long are you going for?

1127
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: He's uh, six seven days, you know each time, and

1128
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: and and so I'm thinking you must be looking for

1129
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: something pretty special. So I asked him, I said, well,

1130
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, how many how many legal rams you ever seen?

1131
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: You know, you pass over some I'm trying to get

1132
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: some information so that you know, Bootleather, like, why did

1133
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: you want to come do this? Um, had you read

1134
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: about it? Well? I grew up here, you know, so

1135
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: I had always known if about it, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1136
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: But you know, at the time, it just wasn't as

1137
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: compelling because I grew up in the western part of

1138
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: the state at the time when that's where all the

1139
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: Governor Acts were coming out of. I mean, they're shooting

1140
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: one ninety plus rams out of multiple units out of

1141
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: the west, and you weren't going to take your name

1142
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: out of that hat because the odds back then we're

1143
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, we're better than they are now. I'm not

1144
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: gonna say what they were. I don't remember, but you're like, yeah,

1145
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for one of the yeah, yeah. And

1146
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: then they were right out your back door, you know.

1147
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: We go and take pictures of him during the winter,

1148
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: So you had this, yeah, this kind of attachment to

1149
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: it opposed to driving halfway across the state into unknown. Yeah.

1150
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: So but I was talking to the guy and I

1151
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: was asking, you know, how many legal rams he had seen,

1152
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: and he said, I've never seen one, and so you

1153
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: know that. Then like I shook his hand and good luck.

1154
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: I said, well, I'm gonna go this way if you're

1155
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: going that way, and kind of walked back to my truck,

1156
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: and it's thinking, well, what do I do now? You

1157
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: know this this dude sounds like he's put some time

1158
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: in here, and and it was pretty much the way

1159
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: my trip went. You know, I I covered a lot

1160
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: of miles back in I don't know, spent five or

1161
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,040
Speaker 1: six days. Someone laid some way point was but a

1162
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: pre way point. But if someone lays them like hey

1163
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: check here, check here, check their No, because I didn't

1164
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: at the time, I didn't know anybody who had ever

1165
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: hunted it. I've never you know, I've never talked to anybody.

1166
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: I yeah, I didn't have any information. And it was

1167
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: before these days where information, yeah, and misinformation, you know

1168
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: a lot of misinformation, which is kind of one of

1169
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: the reasons you know that we're talking about specifically what

1170
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: it is, because I feeled a few questions on that

1171
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: and um, but yeah, I went in, went in, and

1172
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: I didn't turn up USh sheep ushep. Yeah, I'm not.

1173
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: I'm not certain that where you're seeing sheep trails carved

1174
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: into the screen. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you can feel

1175
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: like you're where they sometimes there, yep, yep, you see sign,

1176
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: you see sign, but you know you kind of walk

1177
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: out of there. How many days did you do it?

1178
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying five or six days. It wasn't super long,

1179
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: and um, and then I had to go back to Alaska.

1180
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: So you know after after that though, was at that

1181
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: point in time, were you like, I'm going to be

1182
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: like a sheep guy, Like I'm gonna be like a

1183
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: sheep dude who hunt sheep? Um? I not necessarily. I

1184
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: think it was just something that was really really enjoyable.

1185
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: And I knew that within the next few years that

1186
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: we were going to be moving back to Montana. So yeah, yeah,

1187
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: my my my time in Alaska was limited and saw

1188
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,439
Speaker 1: I was looking for other opportunities and had the time

1189
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: and thought, well, I'm gonna, you know, go start to

1190
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: get my feet wet and but then after that I

1191
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: found out you're gonna have to figure out a lot

1192
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: more than this. This is what it's going to be,

1193
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: dude from the trailhead No, no, no, no, I didn't.

1194
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: But the sea it didn't get closed and there wasn't

1195
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: a ram taking the first part. No, not that season,

1196
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: if I remember right, And um no I didn't how

1197
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: many rams were in there? Ah, that's that's a I

1198
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: don't know. If they're killing two, there's got to be, like,

1199
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: there's guy to be a substantial number of male, substantial

1200
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: number of ramps. They can't I mean, if they are

1201
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: openly the idea that two are going to die. Yeah,

1202
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: they're very they're very conservative with those populations. Yeah. Um

1203
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: I I really couldn't speak to that. That's a tough one,

1204
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: and I think it's tough for everybody too, because some

1205
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: of it's, like you said, some of his migratory, So

1206
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're gonna get coming into some

1207
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: of those units. So now you you might be making

1208
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: judgments off populations that you don't have access to except

1209
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,439
Speaker 1: there they're during the winter or um or maybe they're

1210
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: not all migrating. That way, you have some of the

1211
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: sheep that actually don't live in the unit. Going the

1212
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: other way, that might be just on the fringes of

1213
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: the unit. You know, you have some sheep that are

1214
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, quote transplant sheep that have been transplanted by

1215
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: one way or another. And then you have um, um,

1216
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: you know, these historical herds that have been there since

1217
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: whenever you start of time. So you have all of

1218
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: these different factors. And I think that's what makes it

1219
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: interesting is that it's not just one population. There's a

1220
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: lot of different things going on, and all of these

1221
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: units are much different when you go into them, and um,

1222
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: you know. But that that's that's what makes it cool.

1223
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: But I think it's also it's also you know, notable

1224
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: to be able to say that it's not a free

1225
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: sheep you know, it's not, you know, just just because

1226
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: it's the only open tag and I believe, but I

1227
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: know it's the only open sheep tag in the lower

1228
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: forty eight Canada. You don't need a guide, you know, Alaska,

1229
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: you need a guide, so pretty much in North America

1230
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: to my knowledge, if you're not a resident of last yeah, yeah,

1231
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: so I mean it's open to non resident aliens. You

1232
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: can come in here. From any country and buy that

1233
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: tag the same way. So there's really no restrictions on

1234
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: that portion. So it makes it a very unique thing

1235
01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: that way. But in the same respect, it's, um it's

1236
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: not very successful. So what happened the second time you went?

1237
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: The second time I went? Yeah, yeah, completely different out

1238
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: of that. But UM yeah, I just changed my whole

1239
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: program about everything that I was going to do. And

1240
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: is the only thing I did know, no different unit

1241
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: right next to it, and what you do differently, UM,

1242
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: I spent a lot more time glassing. I um like

1243
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: valley floors are from big Glass and two's it's it's

1244
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit of everything, you know, because

1245
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: it just depends on where you can see from. UM

1246
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: and I just tried to spend as much time as

1247
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: I could that. That's really what it comes down to.

1248
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's there's no trick. There's no

1249
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: that's I mean, if there was a trick, if the

1250
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: historical data, the historical kill data was always accurate and

1251
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 1: guys kept going back there there, there wouldn't be a

1252
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: sheep unit staying open for two and a half months.

1253
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: So you know, that's I think that's the cool thing.

1254
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: About it is that they just do what they do

1255
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: and you gotta figure it out that year. So um,

1256
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: probably then then that's that's what makes the population sustainable

1257
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: the unsustainable as it almost self manages. So what happened?

1258
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: So what happened? Uh? So I went days vote, I

1259
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: was I carved. I was gonna stay in for thirteen. Um,

1260
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: I think I ended up staying for twelve I believe

1261
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: twelve eleven or twelve and so, and then it was

1262
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 1: what had to been eleven because I ended up getting

1263
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: a ram on the tenth day. And yeah, ironically enough,

1264
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: as I was working through, you know, kind of my

1265
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: plan how I was going to work through the different

1266
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: drainages that I was hunting. I had spent a day

1267
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: and a half glass in this one area because this

1268
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: big country and it takes a lot of time to

1269
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,520
Speaker 1: cover it, and there's a lot of timber, so it's um,

1270
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 1: you can sit there all day and you know, all

1271
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden something appears, so they have to be

1272
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 1: very patient. And I had moved one drainage down, looked

1273
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: back to where I had just spent the last day

1274
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: and a half, and there he was, and it was

1275
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 1: right at dark and so I tried to get whatever

1276
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,839
Speaker 1: sleep I could that night, and then got everything loaded

1277
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: in my pack well before daylight so I could make

1278
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: it back over to the glassing spot and try to

1279
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: pick him up again for ast thing in the morning.

1280
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 1: And I did and made it over there, and I

1281
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 1: found him, found him that morning, and he was feeding

1282
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:39,560
Speaker 1: out in the slope, pretty exposed by all by all standards,

1283
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: kind of where where they were hanging out. But I

1284
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 1: knew the sun was going to be moving around on him,

1285
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,719
Speaker 1: and so he dug a bed right there on that

1286
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: right just up out of where he was he was feeding.

1287
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: And so I waited about another hour, hour and a half,

1288
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: and sure enough sun came back around. As soon as

1289
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 1: the sun got on him, he picked up and went

1290
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 1: down into the timber yep. And so he kicked out

1291
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: a bed and and didn't use it for long, No,

1292
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: not for long at all, textbook sheet moves. As soon

1293
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: as the direct sunlight got on, let me move, you

1294
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: don't like it. And and so then it was probably

1295
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, and it took me the rest

1296
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: of the day to get over to the other side,

1297
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 1: got up above him, found the bed that he was

1298
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: in that I had put him to bed in and

1299
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: he wasn't there, and this was probably not you mean,

1300
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: not the one in the timber, but the one the

1301
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: second bed. So you saw him going to the timber

1302
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 1: laid out yet, so I'm going to bed and then

1303
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: I was able to pick that one up, and so

1304
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: I knew he had to be in the area. But

1305
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: I just you know, I had kept working up and

1306
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: down this this rock spine, trying to pick up anything,

1307
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: figure out where he went, and all of a sudden,

1308
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: he just popped out in this little avalanche shoot and

1309
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 1: it was about three three and fifty yards and the

1310
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: wind was the thermals were just howling, and I mean

1311
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: probably and he just came out and walked straight across.

1312
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: It was probably twenty yards open. I never had a shot,

1313
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: and he disappeared into the timber on the other side,

1314
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: and I just, I mean, it was it was, and

1315
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: it was timber kind of forever out there. There was

1316
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: no big opening. So you feel like he had picked

1317
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: you up at that point or no, no, absolutely not.

1318
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: He's not gonna feed that timber though, it's not. No, no,

1319
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: it's not. But there was definitely enough grass that can

1320
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: travel in the timber two though, Oh I just could

1321
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 1: go to usware. Yeah, yeah. And so I spent the

1322
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: rest right until dark trying to find him. And I

1323
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: had moved down this rock spine and got my spotting

1324
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: scope out, and I found him and he was bedded

1325
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: behind this big pine and he had just tucked in

1326
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: just right. I couldn't see him until I got into

1327
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: the right vantage point and there he was, and had

1328
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: had my one shot kind of through the one area,

1329
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: and I fel well, this is the only opportunity I'm

1330
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: going to have, so so you know, but it was

1331
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: a great solid dress. You're on rock, laid down at

1332
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: all the time in the world, work through it. But

1333
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: there's a horn requirement there, there is, Yeah, yeah, but

1334
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: I have a three quarter curl. Yeah, it's half curl.

1335
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 1: How do you know it's it's it's from the base

1336
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: that everybody should look at the rigs, right, don't take

1337
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: my word for it, but it's from the base of

1338
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: the front base of the horn through any portion of

1339
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,560
Speaker 1: the eye back. And they write that differently depending on

1340
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:33,640
Speaker 1: the unit, right, like some of the some of the

1341
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: that I don't know about, don't know, yeah that I'm

1342
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: not sure. I mean I'm not saying from one unlimited unit,

1343
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: but is that the same as it is for for

1344
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 1: limited units? I believe so, Yeah, it's always thought it

1345
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 1: was the corner of the eye three quarter curel okay,

1346
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 1: looking at him sideways away in a circle. Yeah, and

1347
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: you and and did, and you had to figure that out.

1348
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 1: I haven't had a chain in the night before you saw.

1349
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: I had. I had looked enough and as soon as

1350
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,640
Speaker 1: I you know, it was it was coming back up,

1351
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, coming off at that bottom, and I could,

1352
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: I could see the horn coming back up, so that

1353
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: it's a pretty was he by himself? Yeah? How do

1354
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: they determine that then, because isn't it for doll sheep?

1355
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 1: It has to be all the full girl for dolls. Well,

1356
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 1: there's three things like in Alaska's three things that make

1357
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: a doll legal full curl. So you're looking at him

1358
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: on the side, he's got three circle or you count

1359
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: eight annually, so eight girlth rings, or he's broomed now

1360
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: it's he's broken off both of his lamb tips completely.

1361
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: So so I guess how do you deter like, why

1362
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: is it different in one state and different than the other.

1363
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to do with like how old they Well,

1364
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: there's units in Idaho they used to have horn restrictions

1365
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: and now they don't have horn restrictions. Is that just

1366
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:56,600
Speaker 1: because there's more Well what I heard was this, and

1367
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: this is just like a dude who used to guide.

1368
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: They're telling me and lots of you don't all the

1369
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: motivations right, Like a lot of times there's rules in

1370
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: place and and people have ideas about it, but without

1371
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: really digging into you don't know like why really did

1372
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: it beat? But a guy explained this to me and

1373
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: some of the Frank Church. There's like a unit in

1374
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: the Frank Church in Idaho that I think went no

1375
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 1: horn restrictions because I think there was some cases in

1376
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 1: which um people were not identifying rams properly and then

1377
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 1: due to the remoteness of the area, felt that rather

1378
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: than going in reporting, they just kept hunting. So they

1379
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: to take that to remove the obligation of a person

1380
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 1: have to make a prisoners maybe never hunted chap before,

1381
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: maybe not never hunt cheap again without putting that situation

1382
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: where they need to be able to judge the legality

1383
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: of that ram. They got rid of that requirement in

1384
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: that area and they just said, it's just up to

1385
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: the hunter's discretion. You're allowed to ram and and not

1386
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: made it to wear people. At one time, we were

1387
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: sitting and checking a ram. Were you there? We were

1388
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: checking a doll ram in Alaska one time, and while

1389
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 1: I was there, I saw three illegal rams. I got

1390
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 1: there and there was a guy checking an illegal ram

1391
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 1: not knowing it was illegal. There was an illegal rams

1392
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: sitting there that they had just confiscated from a guy,

1393
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: and Awarden came in with another illegal ramp that he

1394
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: had just taken from a guy that was trying to

1395
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: hide it from him. So I saw four rams during

1396
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: my visit, mine being one of them, and the other

1397
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: three were people bringing rams in and then saying I'm sorry,

1398
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 1: that's not full curl. H. I had a friend one

1399
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: time that had one held and he got it back

1400
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 1: and in the end they said, it's fifteen sixteenth curl.

1401
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 1: We'll let you keep me Listen. There is nothing more

1402
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: stressful in life. I'm talking even when your wife, like

1403
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: her water breaks. Nothing more stressful in life than the

1404
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: minutes that passed between you touching that trigger on a

1405
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 1: sheet and you're getting up to that sheet. It doesn't

1406
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 1: matter how much you look. It's just like it's not fun.

1407
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 1: Uh half curlers legal? No, three quarters I'm sorry when

1408
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying three quarter curl legal. So he's I'm looking

1409
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: at the sheep right now by himself. So if he

1410
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't have shown up, or if you just not looked there,

1411
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 1: I might still be hunting up. Have you ever gone back?

1412
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 1: Have you done it again? No? Well you're out for

1413
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 1: seven years, so I get you kill Yes, I get

1414
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: I get my tag back next year. So you never

1415
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,480
Speaker 1: get to really get that good at it. Yeah, there's

1416
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: there's a few guys who have got good at it.

1417
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: Just yeah, I got I was read a book about

1418
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,600
Speaker 1: there's like a book about the unlimited un you know,

1419
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:02,799
Speaker 1: there's a book about big Horns. There's a big section

1420
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: in about the unlimited units. And there's some guys who

1421
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: are kind of had like some legendary status they'd got

1422
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: to yeah you know or whatever. Yeah, there are people

1423
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: that will go for a hat trick, try to get

1424
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: one from each district. So not what, so what happened

1425
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: you got one on your first attempt? Absolutely not? Oh no,

1426
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. If we got to the end of

1427
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 1: Kurt story there you're sitting. Yeah, I got it, you

1428
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: got it. It's more. I think the night of camping

1429
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 1: after you shot the sheep is the best part of

1430
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 1: the story, so I think you should hear about that

1431
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 1: through the sheep went for a role. Yeah, the sheep

1432
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: went for a role, ended up you know, finding it.

1433
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 1: They're dark, and ended up just kicking out a flat

1434
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 1: spot behind a tree. Just and but you know, it

1435
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 1: was interesting because you had focused on it for so long,

1436
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: and I'm sure lots of people have experienced things like

1437
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: that where I couldn't sleep, you know, I was just

1438
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 1: so you're so excited, but but not in this excited yeah,

1439
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: where where you want to like jump around and not

1440
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: like you want publishers clearing out. No, no, no, kind

1441
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 1: of like kind of like it's just hard to take

1442
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 1: it all in. Yeah. I threw up within an hour

1443
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: of shooting on I puked. I don't know what balances

1444
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 1: were going on in me, but water wouldn't stand down. Yeah. Yeah,

1445
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: it's very similar. This is heavy, heavy, grizzly bear country

1446
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 1: and now you're camping with a dead hand of it,

1447
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:43,560
Speaker 1: with a dead an Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so you know,

1448
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: but it happened. It was all right at dark, so I,

1449
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, other than you know, taking care of the

1450
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: general cleaning of it. You know, I hadn't started any

1451
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: butchering or anything. But you know, from there it was

1452
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 1: just because there were so many griz in the area.

1453
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 1: Is back to the whole thing that we're talking about.

1454
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: Being able to make one trip, you know, that makes

1455
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: a big difference to not have to leave it behind,

1456
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 1: not have to figure out here in the wilderness. You

1457
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 1: have to sling it well. And you can't keep and

1458
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: cap the skull. Yeah, you have to take everything out

1459
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: and that that's a load. You can't skin the head.

1460
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: You can't skin the head. No, yeah, what's the thinking

1461
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:30,480
Speaker 1: on that. That's a good question. I can only speculate

1462
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: because they don't they don't publish it in their eggs

1463
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: or anything. But my guests would would be that they

1464
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 1: can validate it's only forty eight hours old. You have

1465
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: to check it in four Yeah, I got it. Allows

1466
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 1: them to make some determination, absolutely, Yeah, you have you know,

1467
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: the eyes. You know, there's a lot of forensics that

1468
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: they can put together. It's not somebody's walking over into

1469
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: the next unit, you know, showing up three days later

1470
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 1: and saying hey, yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. Well then

1471
01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: it took me the better part of two days to

1472
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: get to your yep. Yeah, yeah, I was just barely

1473
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 1: under the limit. But yeah, I mean it's uh yeah,

1474
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: it's a it's a very unique experience. I'm looking forward

1475
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 1: to going back again. It's up again next year. Yeah

1476
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna go oh yeah, no brainer. Those three people

1477
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 1: you think that were they hunted it last year? What

1478
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 1: do you think the average number of days put in?

1479
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, and I don't know how

1480
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 1: they calculate that, because I was never quizzed on how

1481
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: many days that I spent. I don't know. If you were,

1482
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: I could take an educated guess at it, I would

1483
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 1: say seventy of the people that buy the tag go hunting.

1484
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 1: Oh you think so, I think so. Yeah. I haven't

1485
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: dabbled in this at all, but I feel like that's

1486
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 1: got to be high. Well only just from areas, just

1487
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 1: some units where I know, like even limited drawing units

1488
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 1: where you do look at like participation rates. Um, i'd

1489
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: be I don't know, I could be, I would be.

1490
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: I would be a little bit surprised A seven people

1491
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 1: put in some time of the people that do go home,

1492
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: No opinion somewhere in there of the people that I

1493
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 1: like to believe that these are pretty serious people that

1494
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: are investing in their time and they want to talk

1495
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 1: to anyone who's done it, who was like not an

1496
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 1: accomplished from well, I think people do try to go

1497
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,600
Speaker 1: get their toes wet and very quickly decide this is

1498
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: not for them and this is not fun. And I

1499
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 1: think there are people like that that buy the tag

1500
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: and pretty quickly throw the towel in um. But on

1501
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: the flip side, the guys filling tags and the guys

1502
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: doing it year after year pretty hardcore about it. There's

1503
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: a pretty hardcore scene that goes out and does it.

1504
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 1: And I would argue puts in seven to fifteen days

1505
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 1: looking steep and still not fine and cheap, and you

1506
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: have to I mean, if if the success rates only

1507
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 1: less than three, you know you're gonna have to put

1508
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: in some time. Think you're gonna have to go your way,

1509
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:02,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to have a lot of things all

1510
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,600
Speaker 1: come together. It's night. You can be the best at

1511
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: dude in the world, but if you if if you're

1512
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: not in the right place at the right time, it's

1513
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. So I think that that's that's kind

1514
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: of the interesting part is that it is. It's just

1515
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 1: a lot of time. So it's not like something you

1516
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: would like go out every weekend and go do like

1517
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: you need like a big chunk of time, like five

1518
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 1: to seven days you want to be serious about it. Yeah,

1519
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 1: but there's you guys are riven. The nature of the

1520
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,679
Speaker 1: country wouldn't work do like weekends if you're not gonna

1521
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 1: go out for a couple of hours after work. No, No,

1522
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of yeah, a lot of the

1523
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 1: sheep country. You know, it takes better than a day

1524
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: to access, and you know, while there are trails into

1525
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: this country, you're you're not spending a majority of your

1526
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: time on them. Um or if you are, you're probably

1527
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: not seeing sheep. Yeah, So how many times did you

1528
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: try before you got one? I killed a rim on

1529
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: my fourth year, So I met Kurt in two twelve

1530
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: and never knew anything about unlimited sheep hunting, but very

1531
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 1: quickly got the bug just from talking with Kurt Um.

1532
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 1: The next year or two thousand thirteen, was the first

1533
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 1: year I bought a tag, and I would argue I

1534
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 1: had better intel than were you guys. Were you guys.

1535
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 1: Were you guys working on backpacks together at the time? Ye? Were?

1536
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 1: I was working at SNAs at the time, and when

1537
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: Kurt brought Stone Glacier to market for a short time there,

1538
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 1: SNAs was the exclusive retailer. I was the marketing director

1539
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:35,759
Speaker 1: of SAS and met Kurt and shot some product videos

1540
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: and photos with him and learned up on his backpack

1541
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 1: company that he was starting, and pretty quick there was

1542
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 1: building him in my garage after work to help Kurt

1543
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: chore is done. Yea. So that's where my involvement with

1544
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: Stone Glacier began, just kind of after hours, lending a

1545
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 1: helping hand when Kurt wasn't able to get everything done.

1546
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 1: But anyways, two thousand twelve met two bought my first

1547
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 1: unlimited tag. And what I was saying is I would

1548
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,600
Speaker 1: argue that I had some of the better intel of

1549
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 1: unlimited cheap hunters. Kurt had done a tremendous amount of

1550
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: homework that he was generous enough to share with me,

1551
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 1: and I felt like I went into it with a

1552
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: lot of information, which in hindsight really doesn't mean a

1553
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 1: whole lot, Is that right? See? I thought it was

1554
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: like when I've because I've thought about this and you know,

1555
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: a good bit over the years, and like, I don't

1556
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 1: know why, because because some stuff is this way, maybe

1557
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: I wished it was this way. I thought I was

1558
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: like once you know what's up. But it's just different

1559
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 1: all the time. So the most valuable piece of advice

1560
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: Kurt gave me, beyond the maps, beyond the spreadsheets, beyond

1561
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 1: every little piece of advice he gave me, the most

1562
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: valuable thing that ever stuck to me was don't go

1563
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 1: chasing dead cheep. I like that because you get some

1564
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: information that there's been five there's been five rams killed

1565
01:25:58,120 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 1: there in the last twelve years, it's got to be

1566
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: the spot. Don't go chasing that cheap. He's not there anymore.

1567
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 1: And that there's a lot of truth. That there's a

1568
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: lot of truth because you're saying if that was the case, yeah,

1569
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: they'd all the seasons would all close in a couple

1570
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 1: of days, correct, And it's just not. And the other

1571
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 1: factor that you need to take into consideration is these

1572
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:24,600
Speaker 1: are timber rams. These sheep live a tremendous amount of

1573
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: their life in the trees, so visibility is so low.

1574
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 1: Not only are there next to no sheep in there.

1575
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 1: The few sheep that are in there are extremely hard

1576
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 1: to find because they're spending so much time in the trees.

1577
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,679
Speaker 1: So I started in two thousand thirteen and I dove

1578
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: head first into it, and I went on a big rip,

1579
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 1: big week long expedition, and I think I went in

1580
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 1: like five days before season opened. And on night one,

1581
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: I had scouted quite a bit that summer. I think

1582
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 1: I had done three different backpacking trips that summer into

1583
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,799
Speaker 1: the bare Tooths, never seen a sheep, just scouted country.

1584
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: Night one, hiking in, I saw like eight nine sheep

1585
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: and a piece of g I just thought I had

1586
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 1: it figured out. None of them were legal rams. It

1587
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: was a family band using lambs and a couple of

1588
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 1: young you know, two or three year old ram banana heads.

1589
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: But we call him and I was like, well, there's

1590
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: gotta be his big brother coming up behind him. So

1591
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 1: I camped with him. I camped with them that night,

1592
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 1: I spent the next morning with him. Was like, there's

1593
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 1: no big brother here. And as much as I wanted

1594
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 1: to hang out with those sheep, because you're you're looking

1595
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,839
Speaker 1: at the easter bunny, I mean, you have found an animal.

1596
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 1: You are not supposed to have found. So it's a

1597
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: fascinating animal to spend time with and to look at.

1598
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: And as much as I wanted to sit there and

1599
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 1: stay with those sheep, it was like, there's nothing to

1600
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: shoot here, keep moving. Never saw another sheep a week,

1601
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 1: So that was my year one. Actually this is a

1602
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 1: whole another story. But what, okay would it work? When

1603
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 1: does season end after Thanksgiving? So you still not into

1604
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 1: the ruck? Well, it matters. Some of these districts are

1605
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 1: very unique. There are migratory areas and some of the

1606
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 1: unlimited areas that with the right snowstorm and with the

1607
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 1: right day on the calendar, things might be a little

1608
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,719
Speaker 1: easier than normal. And what I was going to suggest

1609
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: is whatever like to wait for him? No, that's tactic

1610
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: to wait for rams to find us late. That is

1611
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 1: the tail end of the season when the rams might

1612
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 1: be starting to think about rut. That absolutely is a

1613
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 1: tactic that people use, and I think they've viewed successfully.

1614
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's tough. It depends on where you're at

1615
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 1: there because you know, some of some of that writting,

1616
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, they move up to winter, so now you

1617
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 1: now you're at you know has been blown off. Yeah, yeah,

1618
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 1: so you know, the different herds do different things in there, alright.

1619
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:50,759
Speaker 1: So some like on day three of that first year camped,

1620
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 1: I was camped on a really cool spot, kind of

1621
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 1: perched on a cliff, a very steep spot with a

1622
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: big drop off below us, and I was had a

1623
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: great view and I was posted up there for about

1624
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: a day and a half half and out comes a

1625
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 1: humongous black bear way below me. I has a big bear.

1626
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, guh, it's feeding on something. It's

1627
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: like messing with something and digging and feeding on something.

1628
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: And I put the spotting scope on. It is eating

1629
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:19,600
Speaker 1: a mountain goat. Yeah, And I don't know if he

1630
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 1: killed the mountain goat of the mountain goat fell and died,

1631
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 1: but he is consuming a large, dead white animal down

1632
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 1: below me. I'm like, that's a big bear and I

1633
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,600
Speaker 1: love mountain goest. That's not cool that he's eating this

1634
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 1: mount goat. So like had it out for this bear.

1635
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 1: And a couple of days of not seeing sheep, you

1636
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 1: get burnt out quick, you lose. I mean, I think

1637
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 1: the stamina required this, the endurance, the mental endurance of

1638
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 1: not seeing an animal day after day after day. It's

1639
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 1: exhausting and it's very discouraging. And so it's bear showed

1640
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 1: up like that'll work. Bear season to open until the

1641
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 1: same day that sheep season open. Long story short, I

1642
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 1: watched this bear the next day going to another drainage.

1643
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: I was in the next drainage a couple of days later,

1644
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: and here's this big, giant bear again. And so I

1645
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 1: wound up shooting this bear. It was the worst decision

1646
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: in my life. I now had to pack a black

1647
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:22,560
Speaker 1: bear out of the Beartooth Wilderness. It was it was

1648
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:27,719
Speaker 1: a psychotic movie. Oh yeah, which is a damn shame

1649
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,679
Speaker 1: because I had just gotten into the best sheep habitat

1650
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 1: that I had touched that whole week and I had

1651
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 1: to put a bunch of bear meat on my back

1652
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: and walk out. So that was year one and that

1653
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: was a very humbling experience and pretty discouraging. UM did

1654
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 1: it year after year. Did not see a legal ram

1655
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: until summer scouting of my third year. And I don't know, Hi,

1656
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 1: fact can speak for Curt here, but I've when I

1657
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: found a legal ram. You you like you are looking

1658
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 1: at Santa Claus. I can't I can't even begin to

1659
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 1: explain to you, Like the feeling of seeing an animal

1660
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 1: that you are I'm not supposed to have found. So

1661
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:16,560
Speaker 1: it's a really cool thing and it's super addicting. So

1662
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 1: I found a sheep summer scouting, and uh, I had

1663
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 1: my plan, and so, you know, three or four days

1664
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: before season, was heading back in to the general area

1665
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 1: where I had seen this ram during the summer and

1666
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything. Season opened opening day. I'm hiking

1667
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: up into a drainage and as I'm coming over this

1668
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 1: big saddle, I run it. Here come three hunters towards me,

1669
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 1: and I realized that's they've got a mountain goat on

1670
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 1: their back, their goat hunters, and they filled a tag

1671
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 1: on opening day and I should talking great goat, congratulations. Hey,

1672
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 1: what are the odds you've seen some sheep more legal ram?

1673
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we saw one this morning. Like, you gotta

1674
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:06,679
Speaker 1: be kidding me. You saw you saw I rama this morning?

1675
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 1: So they're like and I and I grilled him. I

1676
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 1: was like, let me be like, let's talk in detail

1677
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 1: about what you saw and where and exactly what it was.

1678
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: And they were very confident that they had seen a

1679
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 1: legal ram. So I climbed the highest peak to my

1680
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: right in that saddle. From that saddle, I went feet

1681
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,560
Speaker 1: up to the tippy top of the peak and I

1682
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 1: sat down, and I said that was eight am. The

1683
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 1: in the morning, seven eight am, I ran into those

1684
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 1: people get up on top of the peak. I sat

1685
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:39,679
Speaker 1: there all day. I was like, I know he's somewhere.

1686
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:45,799
Speaker 1: He didn't vaporize. I sat there all day, and thirty

1687
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: minutes before dark, this ram comes loping through the saddle

1688
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 1: where I had talked to the goat hunters like full run.

1689
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: He looked scared. I you know, hunter, it's opening day.

1690
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 1: There's some traffic there, pack trains coming through some of

1691
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,880
Speaker 1: these drainages, there's some commotion compared to a normal day.

1692
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 1: This ram just comes running through long a story. I

1693
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 1: sort of camped on that it wasn't opening day. I

1694
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:16,800
Speaker 1: apologized this was prior opening day because I spent a

1695
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 1: day and a half with the sheep, not able to

1696
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 1: shoot him yet. So that's what it is. Goat season

1697
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 1: opens before unlimited season, so these goat hunters filled the

1698
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 1: tag call it September twelve. I can't shoot this sheep

1699
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 1: until September. So I find him, put him to bed.

1700
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 1: I lived with him for I didn't leave him for

1701
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 1: you know, I lost sight of him throughout the day

1702
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 1: and stuff. But I spent the better part of two

1703
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: days with the sheep. You know, the night of September.

1704
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 1: Next next morning is opening day. The sheep beds three

1705
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 1: yards from my tent, just me and the rim. That's it.

1706
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 1: And he's three yards away from my tent. I'm like,

1707
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 1: that's great, son's gonna come up. I'm gonna go dump

1708
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 1: this thing, and I'm I'm going to get this room. Well,

1709
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:06,680
Speaker 1: that night, a horrible blizzard blew in. Hardcore snowstorm came

1710
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 1: in and uh, really nasty weather. And so I got

1711
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 1: up in the dark and I was like, I don't care,

1712
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 1: it's nasty out. I know where that sheep was sleeping.

1713
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:16,640
Speaker 1: He's got to be somewhere close to there. Even if

1714
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 1: he moved, he's somewhere over there. So I go out

1715
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 1: in the dark and I got soaking wet and really cold.

1716
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 1: Sun came up. Sheep's gone. In hindsight, that sheep definitely

1717
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 1: high tailed it down into the timber when that weather

1718
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 1: blew in. I looked and looked for him that morning,

1719
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: and as hypothermia began to set in and as more

1720
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 1: bad weather began to blow in. I I've quickly realised

1721
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 1: I had to leave. It's like I can't, I can't

1722
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 1: stay up here in this state. So I hiked out.

1723
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:49,679
Speaker 1: I went home, I did a load of laundry, slept

1724
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:52,240
Speaker 1: in my bed, and I came right back and I

1725
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 1: hiked back in and I spent a lot of time

1726
01:34:56,360 --> 01:35:00,160
Speaker 1: looking for that sheep. I never saw him again. So

1727
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 1: are you glassing up all kinds of elkinship when this

1728
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 1: is going on? Or is it not like that place

1729
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:07,680
Speaker 1: is pretty void of life? Grizzly bears, A lot of

1730
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 1: grizzly bears. You see a lot of grizzly bears. Sometimes

1731
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:13,680
Speaker 1: you see goats, but no, there's I've seen one. In

1732
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 1: my four years of hunting in there, I've seen one

1733
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,799
Speaker 1: elk heerd, a couple of mule deer, a couple of goats,

1734
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:22,719
Speaker 1: and a bunch of bears in a couple of sheep. Yeah,

1735
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 1: so what year was that? That was my third season.

1736
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 1: And see, that's like I'm getting I'm dialing this in

1737
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm starting to regularly see sheep. I'm

1738
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 1: feeling a little more confident about it. And then uh,

1739
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 1: year four is almost repeat opening day found a ram

1740
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 1: weather blue in lost lost ram bad weather blue in.

1741
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 1: It was like absolute repeat. I went home, I walked

1742
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 1: out of there, hiked all the way out to let

1743
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 1: the weather. You know, you get these forty eight I

1744
01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 1: think you can sit in your time forty eight hours.

1745
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 1: You can hike for ten hours and get out of here.

1746
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 1: What happens just like this wet shitty snow. You think

1747
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 1: like like I got three days of this two days again,

1748
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 1: it's all side. Yeah. So I went home. Whether whether

1749
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 1: the storm did some laundry went back in there, um

1750
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 1: turned up. No, I didn't turn up sheep. I camped

1751
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:25,280
Speaker 1: next moek. My tactic throughout my four years of funting,

1752
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:27,600
Speaker 1: which I still think is the most productive way to

1753
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 1: do it is to get to the highest point you can.

1754
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's exactly Curt style, but that's

1755
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:34,640
Speaker 1: how I hunted the unlimited is I would go to

1756
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 1: the tippy top of stuff and I would post up,

1757
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 1: and I would spend whole days sitting on mountaintops where

1758
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 1: I could just see everything, and then you turn around

1759
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 1: and you could see everything over there. So just keeping

1760
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:53,680
Speaker 1: visibility in your favor. And something I didn't wasn't good

1761
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 1: at before I was hunted sheep and was uh, you know,

1762
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 1: talking with Curt about sheep hunting a lot was the sun?

1763
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 1: How important it is to plan your day around the sun,

1764
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 1: to work with it. Work with the sun, don't work

1765
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 1: against it. Always planning your whole day around I'm gonna

1766
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 1: be glass into the west in the morning, I'm gonna

1767
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 1: be glass into the east at sunset. And this is

1768
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:18,600
Speaker 1: this is a tricky thing, man, because if you're up

1769
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 1: in a glass and tip and you got sixty degrees

1770
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:24,479
Speaker 1: and stuff you want to look at when the sun

1771
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 1: is bad for one of where you're look in one

1772
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,719
Speaker 1: direction everything is shadowed, and you look at another direction

1773
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 1: and everything is just glowing nice. It's like you gotta

1774
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 1: make a decision where like I'm gonna ignore the shadowed

1775
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: ship as good as I know it seems, and as

1776
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 1: much as there's probably animals over there, I'm gonna ignore

1777
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:44,560
Speaker 1: that and just glass and stuff with the sun is

1778
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,679
Speaker 1: really working for me. But it takes like that takes

1779
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 1: discipline because proofs of you waste your time staring to

1780
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 1: that shitty stuff. We meanwhile, the good side, they like

1781
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 1: the animals glow. Oh yeah, when the sun hits them. Yeah,

1782
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:59,560
Speaker 1: you gotta put everything in your favor and using the

1783
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 1: sun to your advantage while glassing is certainly a good

1784
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 1: place to start, because then he said, they start moving

1785
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 1: to once the sun hits them, right. Yeah, A big

1786
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 1: horn sheep on average, I don't think likes to lay

1787
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 1: out bed, particularly in direct sunlight. I think like if

1788
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:19,719
Speaker 1: a sheep beds in the morning in the in a shady,

1789
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 1: nice little spot, and at thirty eleven AM and the

1790
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 1: sun gets up a little higher and the sun direct

1791
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 1: sunlight is hitting that sheep more often than now, he's

1792
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,120
Speaker 1: gonna get up and he's gonna go find a second

1793
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:36,639
Speaker 1: bed for the day. He might move yeah yards into

1794
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 1: the timber. Yeah, he might move on the other side

1795
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: of his tree. Gone. Yeah. So uh anyways, went back

1796
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 1: in and turned up a ram right at first light,

1797
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:54,560
Speaker 1: same ram, No no different sheep. And uh do you

1798
01:38:54,720 --> 01:39:01,080
Speaker 1: like you're like Joe unlimited? Now no gum. Now Jim

1799
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 1: turned up some sheep right at first light, made a

1800
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 1: quick move on him and moved in tight on him,

1801
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 1: and he pegged me. He I wound up being within

1802
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 1: a hundred yards of this ram, bumped him. Oh and

1803
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 1: he had he was bug eyed staring straight at me

1804
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 1: when I shot him. Oh that's one you got, Yeah,

1805
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:25,720
Speaker 1: I got him, got you? Mm hmm. So now you

1806
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:29,719
Speaker 1: got seven years seven years. Well, I drew a permit

1807
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 1: in Alaska, so I'm going to sheep hunting next month.

1808
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:37,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Drew gotch catch permit. So I'm going doll

1809
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 1: sheep hunting in August. Yeah, get one of these white

1810
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 1: ones hopefully. Yeah. Man, so but that one. Because you

1811
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 1: don't have a relative up there, you gotta right, you

1812
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 1: gotta hire a guy. Correct. Yeah, that'll be fun though,

1813
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 1: it'll be awesome. Yeah, it's gonna be a really fun trip.

1814
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:58,000
Speaker 1: Fly in No, it's a hike in only it's a state.

1815
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 1: It's the state at state Park. It's Upper Eagle River,

1816
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 1: which is uh, you start at the nature Center. I

1817
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:05,720
Speaker 1: think I'll have to connect you with my brother. Man,

1818
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 1: guys need resources, and for sure I'm going up on Monday.

1819
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:12,360
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, so maybe we go get lunch with them. Yeah,

1820
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:17,559
Speaker 1: but whatever, you know, stuffs living. When you live in Anchor,

1821
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:19,439
Speaker 1: do you find a lot of dudes have a lot

1822
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 1: of dead ship in your garage throughout the fall? Man?

1823
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:25,920
Speaker 1: Because that's this is like having a house thera. People

1824
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 1: are like, hey, man, I use your freezer. The amount

1825
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 1: of what's funny about his house the amount of bear spray,

1826
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 1: A lot of milk crates of bear spray. Because everyone

1827
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 1: flies to Alaska. Then they're always like somehow wind up

1828
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:43,479
Speaker 1: sleeping in his house or storing ship in his house

1829
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:49,439
Speaker 1: and he has like crates of pepper spray. Yeah, that's

1830
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:52,960
Speaker 1: good man, those are good stories. Is it worth it? Like?

1831
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 1: Is it too hard? Are you interested in going? I'm

1832
01:40:57,479 --> 01:40:59,680
Speaker 1: not like asking because I'm not asking you like take me,

1833
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 1: but um, is that not interesting? Is it just like

1834
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,280
Speaker 1: too hard to be? Like, Okay, I'll throw in with

1835
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:06,720
Speaker 1: a body of mine. Is the kind of thing you

1836
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 1: kind of gotta be doing it for yourself. I was

1837
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 1: not really into solo hunting when I started this whole endeavor.

1838
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 1: I in fact didn't like it, and it was something

1839
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 1: you have to get comfortable with because you find out

1840
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 1: really quickly it's very hard to find somebody to join

1841
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:26,720
Speaker 1: you in the middle of the elk rut on a

1842
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:28,840
Speaker 1: two percent hunt. On a two percent hunt, yeah, because

1843
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:30,640
Speaker 1: if you had some sweet tag like like I like

1844
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:32,760
Speaker 1: to jump in when friends draw like bitch and tag

1845
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:35,160
Speaker 1: because like, yeah, we're going there. Is gonna ship run

1846
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 1: around everwhere We're gonna shot a big old one. Let's go.

1847
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 1: But to have it be like now, we're not gonna

1848
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:42,680
Speaker 1: see anything anything. You like to come. There's lots of

1849
01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:45,240
Speaker 1: barrass you just like to come and watch me not

1850
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 1: get anything. It does interest me. I think I will

1851
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, it does interest me. I've got a

1852
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 1: couple of good friends who are giving it hell several

1853
01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 1: years into it now, and it doesn't interest me because

1854
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 1: we have to do it again for seven years. You

1855
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:04,519
Speaker 1: can try again and it's really exciting because Kurt gets

1856
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:08,559
Speaker 1: his tag back next year, So you'd be loving now.

1857
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 1: Is it helpful? Um? If someone did want to go

1858
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 1: and like I'd like to go and just glass up

1859
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:16,640
Speaker 1: with you, is that helpers? It just want to be

1860
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:18,320
Speaker 1: not helpful because then you've got to deal with too

1861
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 1: many people's attitudes. More eyes. Yeah, I mean it's more

1862
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 1: eyes the split, yeah exactly. Yeah, I've I've never been

1863
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:28,200
Speaker 1: in that situation. I can't really speak to it, but

1864
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 1: I would have to think if you have somebody that's

1865
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 1: like minded, that wants to spend the time and they

1866
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 1: want to pound glass, yeah, and that they don't get antsy,

1867
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 1: their patient. They know the program. But if you want

1868
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:42,720
Speaker 1: to go along and think that, you know, it's like

1869
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:47,240
Speaker 1: running gun and elk during you know, the September on

1870
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 1: the chase that it's not it's not, it's it's it's

1871
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 1: just a lot of misery and miles and then sitting

1872
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 1: for long periods of time. It's a nasty place, man,

1873
01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:01,680
Speaker 1: it is it is. You know, you're just And then

1874
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 1: there are lots of different ways that people can go

1875
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:06,080
Speaker 1: about it. I know guys have been successful many different ways.

1876
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:08,560
Speaker 1: But you know, typically you're not gonna go, you know,

1877
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 1: jump one up out of the timber and packs it's

1878
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,560
Speaker 1: pack stock helpful. No, you can't take a worse in

1879
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:19,200
Speaker 1: to this stuff. No, it's it's been it's been done. Um.

1880
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 1: But advantage no, now, I mean some of the country

1881
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:25,560
Speaker 1: you can't. Some of the units can't even get the

1882
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 1: biggest advantage you can give yourself as time, the more

1883
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:30,640
Speaker 1: time you just have to clock. You have to go

1884
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:35,880
Speaker 1: punch the clock. Yeah. Now, how often does it happen? Um,

1885
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 1: the day one, you know, different ends of the unit whatever,

1886
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:41,800
Speaker 1: like day one? By am I am? Do you guys

1887
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:45,360
Speaker 1: are about do you guys get them? You hear about

1888
01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:47,800
Speaker 1: the old war store. I mean, there's there's stories of

1889
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 1: that happening, and I've never heard of it happening in

1890
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:55,639
Speaker 1: recent years, but it has happened. It's definitely happened where

1891
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 1: opening day three sheep get shot and then there's still

1892
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:01,679
Speaker 1: a twenty four a grace period where you can legally

1893
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:04,760
Speaker 1: harvest a sheep within the next two days. So I'm

1894
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:10,640
Speaker 1: with you. So give me um, give me like a

1895
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 1: give me a big stone glacier. Sales pitch man, you

1896
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 1: ever done that before? I got our general manager, right, Harry,

1897
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:24,400
Speaker 1: So catch up popsicle to a lady in white gloves, Bud.

1898
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:27,920
Speaker 1: That's a fact. That's a line from Tommy Boy. If

1899
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 1: nobody else picked up, I got a good sales pitch.

1900
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:33,320
Speaker 1: Sales pitch. You know. I had seen him around a bunch.

1901
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:36,720
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, another backpack and hunting backpack. You know,

1902
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. But I hadn't really like I had

1903
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:41,960
Speaker 1: touched him in Schnais, I think, and you know, farted

1904
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 1: around a little bit with him, and even I think

1905
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 1: I even had one Pete had shown me how do

1906
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 1: you use it? I carried around a little bit. But

1907
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:54,200
Speaker 1: don't you tell everybody how we met um. How did

1908
01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 1: we mean? We met in a bar right and we

1909
01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 1: met a yoga class. I like that man. Kurt gave

1910
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 1: me a yoga pass for Christmas. One year I was

1911
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:12,240
Speaker 1: doing some yoga. I walk in. This guy's got a

1912
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:15,680
Speaker 1: meet you love it. I've been there six times. Yeah,

1913
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:17,200
Speaker 1: it's the best. I like it a lot, so I

1914
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 1: wanted me to go last. There's a guy with a

1915
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 1: meat eater shirt on. I'm like, hey, you hunt. He's

1916
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 1: like yeah. In fact, I produced this television show called

1917
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:29,479
Speaker 1: meat Eater Cool. That was pre uh the first time

1918
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:31,599
Speaker 1: I saw you podcast with Randal and we went out

1919
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 1: to dinner and head beers. We went turkey hunting in

1920
01:45:34,240 --> 01:45:38,479
Speaker 1: the morning. Before that podcast, We've had some great turkey hunts.

1921
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm a real redneck turkey hunter. Just kill him. I

1922
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:46,080
Speaker 1: just get the turkey killed. And Janice is such an

1923
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 1: artsy turkey hunter. It's got to be this beautiful setup

1924
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:57,960
Speaker 1: and I'm just just shoot the bird. Anyways. Sorry, doesn't

1925
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:01,360
Speaker 1: serve me right. Talking about big old sales. Pitch yeah,

1926
01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 1: act like, can I tell you story? The following story

1927
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 1: to the yoga class, and I'm like, oh sweet, yeah,

1928
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:11,160
Speaker 1: good to meet you. If I see here again, don't

1929
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:14,799
Speaker 1: see Pete, don't see pe, don't see p because one pass,

1930
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 1: don't I think the guy is a stingy crisis. He

1931
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 1: was chasing something else. Those in that class that was

1932
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 1: and uh, he's like, yeah, work out for me. Not

1933
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:41,439
Speaker 1: doing yoga anymore. I remember it a little differently. Stretch. Well,

1934
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:45,599
Speaker 1: I'm there quite often. Still haven't seen you? They call

1935
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:50,000
Speaker 1: me yoga yoga, but no, I got like a lot

1936
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 1: of good it does you all crippled up all the time,

1937
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:54,720
Speaker 1: blowing your knees out all the time. I tell you,

1938
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:57,000
Speaker 1: I can't wait to go back in now that this

1939
01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:59,599
Speaker 1: knee is gonna be scoped and fixed. I'm gonna get

1940
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:02,040
Speaker 1: to flex stability that I have in my left in

1941
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:07,000
Speaker 1: my right knee, my right side pigeon is gonna go

1942
01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:08,680
Speaker 1: to it in the next level. Can you I can

1943
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:12,599
Speaker 1: bend over now, I can bend over and palms flat

1944
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:16,000
Speaker 1: on the ground and he's locked. Yeah, that's impressive. That's

1945
01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:21,080
Speaker 1: good that I can't even touch my toes bend as

1946
01:47:21,120 --> 01:47:26,880
Speaker 1: I am. Um so anyhow here I am. I'm like, hey, man,

1947
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:28,400
Speaker 1: just think about getting a pack. Pack. What do you

1948
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:30,519
Speaker 1: think I should get? Oh? We got you probably don't

1949
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:33,160
Speaker 1: get this. I got the special sales pitch from Kurt

1950
01:47:33,479 --> 01:47:36,640
Speaker 1: at the now the old show room. Why can't I

1951
01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:38,240
Speaker 1: have the sale? Why? Why don't you give me the

1952
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:42,240
Speaker 1: sales pitch? Because he doesn't hang around. He doesn't hang

1953
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:44,320
Speaker 1: around in the show down here at the juke, he's stitching.

1954
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 1: But uh, I was just about to go backpack hunt

1955
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:52,880
Speaker 1: with your brother or Lama hunting, and it's kind of

1956
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:57,200
Speaker 1: like like backpack yeah, light, no, ladies and gentlemen. He's

1957
01:47:57,240 --> 01:48:01,160
Speaker 1: not mean hunting llamas. He means hunting with llamas as

1958
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:04,640
Speaker 1: pack animals at Lama. Yeah, I've at Lama, but you

1959
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:08,040
Speaker 1: were not hunting lamas. It was like in a It

1960
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:12,599
Speaker 1: was in she could have been a house cat. You've

1961
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:16,960
Speaker 1: had alpaca tastes like very tender be taste like me. Yeah,

1962
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 1: was it like all super cooked or was it like

1963
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:21,240
Speaker 1: a steak? It was like a steak. Oh see I

1964
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:23,000
Speaker 1: hadn't didn't get that. Yeah, I know. It was like

1965
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 1: very um yeah, like presented like a steak. It was

1966
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:33,880
Speaker 1: like very tender back maybe I know. Yeah, I got

1967
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 1: a good place you hunt. Lama's giving my brothers, so

1968
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:40,000
Speaker 1: I can't remember. Are you giving a sales pitch or

1969
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:43,960
Speaker 1: not trying. And I was getting ready to go hunt

1970
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:49,840
Speaker 1: with your brother and I had the solo and I'm

1971
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:51,880
Speaker 1: in there and I'm like, yeah, I'm telling curtain be.

1972
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I don't know, man, only these packs

1973
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,760
Speaker 1: like gonna be big enough because we're going in for

1974
01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:58,720
Speaker 1: six nights seven nights, maybe, you know, And I think

1975
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 1: I need a little bit bigger pack. And uh curts like,

1976
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:05,360
Speaker 1: oh no, you don't. I did fourteen days in the

1977
01:49:05,439 --> 01:49:07,799
Speaker 1: limited ship unit with this pack and I'm like, okay,

1978
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:10,720
Speaker 1: showing me please, and uh, yeah, so you showed me

1979
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:12,960
Speaker 1: how to run basically the what do you guys call

1980
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:16,160
Speaker 1: like the load sack, know, not the load shell, but

1981
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:20,720
Speaker 1: what's the sack that goes between the pack drive back.

1982
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:24,320
Speaker 1: He's like, you just take this, put your food in here.

1983
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:26,720
Speaker 1: So this is this is it basically looks like a

1984
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:32,760
Speaker 1: very a tidy game bag that's water resistant. Yeah, and uh,

1985
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:36,320
Speaker 1: you can slip it basically between the pack in your frame. Yeah,

1986
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:38,760
Speaker 1: because the whole bag will kind of move away and

1987
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 1: move away. Yeah. And then you just showed me. Then

1988
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 1: he just said, yeah, you just walk into the woods

1989
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:46,160
Speaker 1: and then when you get to your spot, you're gonna

1990
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:48,080
Speaker 1: hunt the best part about what I liked about this

1991
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 1: system is that you just pull that out, pull out

1992
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:53,720
Speaker 1: your cord, throw it up in a tree. Now if

1993
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:56,360
Speaker 1: you've got your food hung and you just send you

1994
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:58,920
Speaker 1: down your backpack, you got a extra tidy pack now

1995
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:02,400
Speaker 1: and off you go. I was like, man, that's the ship.

1996
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 1: So I was going to I was gonna start just

1997
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:07,439
Speaker 1: like adding attachments and extra bags and you know this,

1998
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:09,720
Speaker 1: that and the other. And instead I walked into the

1999
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 1: woods lighter on that trip, you know, because of that

2000
01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 1: pack in that system, and uh, I was sold. Liked it. Yeah, no,

2001
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:18,559
Speaker 1: And it works so slick man. I mean the whole

2002
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 1: time I was hunting when we talked about this earlier,

2003
01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:24,519
Speaker 1: but I had the capability to carry a quarter out

2004
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:27,840
Speaker 1: had we gotten something. But while I'm hunting, I felt

2005
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:30,640
Speaker 1: like I have a little daypack on, you know the

2006
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 1: ways nothing you kind of like forget it's there in

2007
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 1: your own pack. Did you use do you guys put

2008
01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 1: the white hangbags? Do you use those? Do you not

2009
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:42,120
Speaker 1: use them? I use them. I do not connect them

2010
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:44,640
Speaker 1: to the backpack. You just you just use it as

2011
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:46,720
Speaker 1: a I used them to organize my things. You don't

2012
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:48,600
Speaker 1: you don't hang it inside there. I do not. I

2013
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:50,920
Speaker 1: find myself kind of like liking the hanging in there.

2014
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:55,720
Speaker 1: But I was curious if you guys did, because like

2015
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:57,439
Speaker 1: I got, like, you know, put a couple of extra

2016
01:50:57,520 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 1: shells and ship like ship you might you know, Yeah,

2017
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 1: and I can just like reach in here. Oh, I

2018
01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 1: use a bunch of them. I'm very organized in my

2019
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:07,599
Speaker 1: backpack and have a little kits and stuff. But yeah,

2020
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:10,599
Speaker 1: I've more often than not pulling them out and throwing

2021
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 1: them in. I just like I like having where I

2022
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:15,160
Speaker 1: could even the dark, it's right there. Yeah, I just

2023
01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:16,880
Speaker 1: know when I put my hand in and I drag

2024
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:22,640
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah. Johanna touched quickly on the ability to

2025
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:24,960
Speaker 1: carry a quarter out and our load shelf feature and

2026
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 1: the ability to carry something between a frame and a bag.

2027
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 1: And that's worth talking about for a second, which is

2028
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:36,400
Speaker 1: the physics behind why carrying something in a load shelf configuration.

2029
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:39,479
Speaker 1: I keeping heavy stuff close to your back is the

2030
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 1: smartest way to carry heavy stuff off a mountain. And

2031
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:46,680
Speaker 1: Kurt's taking done some cool experiments and we've got them

2032
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:50,919
Speaker 1: all on our website. Um to where the lateral forces

2033
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:56,040
Speaker 1: that the pack is going to affect on you are

2034
01:51:56,240 --> 01:52:01,760
Speaker 1: much smaller. When the heavy load is vertically oriented up

2035
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:05,040
Speaker 1: and down, you're back close to your center of gravity

2036
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:07,519
Speaker 1: rather than moving away from your center of gravity. So

2037
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:09,519
Speaker 1: you can't change gravity hundred pounds, the hundred pounds, the

2038
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:13,599
Speaker 1: hundred pounds, you can change the forces that that weight

2039
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:18,200
Speaker 1: is going to put on your body was waving back

2040
01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:21,439
Speaker 1: and forth around. Yeah, the closer you can keep the

2041
01:52:21,439 --> 01:52:24,519
Speaker 1: heavy stuff to your back, the better it is. We're

2042
01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:29,439
Speaker 1: about lower higher, conventional wisdom is lower. Yeah, well, it

2043
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:32,759
Speaker 1: it changes because it all depends on the center gravity

2044
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:37,439
Speaker 1: of the body. Right, So, uh, take for example, in

2045
01:52:37,479 --> 01:52:41,160
Speaker 1: a in a standard pack, if if you if you

2046
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, you're working off of that that

2047
01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 1: general fulcrum angle. You know, well just just that just

2048
01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:50,680
Speaker 1: that leverage, that the angle that it comes up, so

2049
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:53,280
Speaker 1: that the farther you move it away from your back,

2050
01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:57,519
Speaker 1: the more leverage that's gonna happen. But the point that

2051
01:52:57,560 --> 01:52:59,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna work from is the center gravity of your

2052
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere in your hips. That's that's that's the fulcrum.

2053
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:05,479
Speaker 1: That's where it's you know, moving you back and forth.

2054
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 1: So you can move the load higher and achieve the

2055
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:15,439
Speaker 1: same vertical amount of leverage as as if it was

2056
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:17,600
Speaker 1: as if it was lower. But the problem is is

2057
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:20,840
Speaker 1: now your lateral you know, you're left or right. Now

2058
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:24,360
Speaker 1: you've increased that leverage going that way. So you know,

2059
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:28,400
Speaker 1: there's this there's this uh, this this medium where you

2060
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:31,919
Speaker 1: where you try to get it close enough to offset

2061
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:34,840
Speaker 1: both leverage. And what we've found is when you draw

2062
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:37,000
Speaker 1: it out out on autocat and you figure out the

2063
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:40,040
Speaker 1: density of the meat and you figure out, you know,

2064
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:44,160
Speaker 1: the density generally of of the gear that you're carrying,

2065
01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:47,280
Speaker 1: and you start moving it around and you're gonna get

2066
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:49,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a center of gravity of your pack

2067
01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:52,640
Speaker 1: at some point. So you move it here, it might

2068
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:55,120
Speaker 1: move up, it might move down. So the key is

2069
01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:57,680
Speaker 1: being able to get it the most in line obviously

2070
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:01,360
Speaker 1: with your your center avenue, you know, which is generally

2071
01:54:01,400 --> 01:54:03,880
Speaker 1: going to be in the center of your hips and

2072
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:08,280
Speaker 1: so I know one ever put a quarter in right

2073
01:54:08,360 --> 01:54:14,639
Speaker 1: side up. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's that's a great example

2074
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:17,240
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, because it's in it's physically in the

2075
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:21,280
Speaker 1: same spot vertically, but you know, now you're left or

2076
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:23,840
Speaker 1: right front to back, you know, being able to control it,

2077
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:27,800
Speaker 1: so yeah, that that's that's kind of the concept behind it,

2078
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:31,640
Speaker 1: is just being able to increase stability and any advantage

2079
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:33,280
Speaker 1: that you can get. You know, if you're only packing

2080
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:35,840
Speaker 1: it a few hundred yards to your truck, obviously it

2081
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:38,320
Speaker 1: doesn't make that big difference. But if you're under that

2082
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:41,640
Speaker 1: same load for for two days, you have to manage

2083
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:43,080
Speaker 1: the meat. So now you have to be able to

2084
01:54:43,120 --> 01:54:45,520
Speaker 1: get out, especially in sheep hunting, if you're in the

2085
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:48,000
Speaker 1: Northwest territories, you know, you're even earlier in the year

2086
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:49,920
Speaker 1: in Alaska, you're in early August. You don't know what

2087
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:52,280
Speaker 1: kind of weather you're going to have, so you can't

2088
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:53,800
Speaker 1: just leave it in a ball of me You're gonna

2089
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:55,560
Speaker 1: have to, you know, get it out, get some air

2090
01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:58,000
Speaker 1: on it, get it cool, try to get it on ice,

2091
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:00,440
Speaker 1: if there's a glacier round, whatever, whatever you can do

2092
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 1: to take care of the meat. So now being able

2093
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:06,000
Speaker 1: to manage it and keep it clean and then be

2094
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:08,760
Speaker 1: able to repack it. So if you just end up

2095
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:10,120
Speaker 1: with a you know, a ball of meat in the

2096
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:12,120
Speaker 1: middle of your pack with all the rest of your gear,

2097
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:15,240
Speaker 1: there's just there's a whole another level of dynamics. You

2098
01:55:15,320 --> 01:55:17,320
Speaker 1: need to start to work with. That's the thing you love.

2099
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:19,960
Speaker 1: People don't realize how much And that was kind of

2100
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 1: hot days August September. How much you're messing with that stuff.

2101
01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:26,920
Speaker 1: You have to be on it all the time, airing

2102
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:29,200
Speaker 1: it out, putting the shade, taking it out of the shade,

2103
01:55:29,240 --> 01:55:30,760
Speaker 1: putting your bag. You can't like throw it in a

2104
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:32,640
Speaker 1: garbage bag and put in your backpack and then like,

2105
01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:35,120
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna two days later and be like no, no, no,

2106
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:37,920
Speaker 1: that's it too and you could lose it quickly. Yeah,

2107
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:40,600
Speaker 1: you're like keeping an eye getting the heat out of it,

2108
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, quickly after you right after you take it,

2109
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:48,200
Speaker 1: so you know, um, so yeah, that's that's kind of

2110
01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:50,960
Speaker 1: the concept behind it is twofold, you know. One of

2111
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:53,320
Speaker 1: it is is an easier way to manage. To me,

2112
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:56,160
Speaker 1: once you have it, keep it as clean and then

2113
01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:59,560
Speaker 1: and and you don't keep as much of it easy

2114
01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:03,520
Speaker 1: canbviously not lose anything. And then being able to have

2115
01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:06,560
Speaker 1: it in the most comfortable spot. So are are you

2116
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:10,560
Speaker 1: h are you digging the backpack business like do most years?

2117
01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:12,400
Speaker 1: You you know, go and sell more packs than you

2118
01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:15,480
Speaker 1: did the year before and stuff like that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no,

2119
01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:17,640
Speaker 1: I I dig it a lot like it you're in

2120
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:20,760
Speaker 1: its stay. Oh yeah, yeah, it's just started making all

2121
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:22,800
Speaker 1: kinds of all this ship too. Oh you never know,

2122
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:25,720
Speaker 1: there's there's a there's a lot more time to work

2123
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:29,000
Speaker 1: on stuff like that right now. Yeah, I might do

2124
01:56:29,120 --> 01:56:34,800
Speaker 1: fanny packs us. I mean, but you're not kidding about

2125
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:37,000
Speaker 1: making other stuff. I'm not kidding about that. No, No,

2126
01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:40,280
Speaker 1: they make some other thing. What would you go make?

2127
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:46,440
Speaker 1: Uh like what completely out of pack? But like what

2128
01:56:46,760 --> 01:56:50,080
Speaker 1: class of like yeah, like what would be like mountain

2129
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:53,760
Speaker 1: hunting gear? Okay, yeah, mountain and gear? Yeah, I think

2130
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:56,280
Speaker 1: things that go along with it and naturally go along

2131
01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:58,560
Speaker 1: with it, the stuff that you pull out of your pack,

2132
01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, like a new kind of claw hammer. No, no, no,

2133
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:05,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna see that's that's a lot of work. So

2134
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:10,160
Speaker 1: it'll stay in like like high quality mountain ye yeah

2135
01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:13,840
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, I mean that that's the fun part

2136
01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 1: about it. But give me a like, okay, here, I

2137
01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:18,760
Speaker 1: put it this way. What would be something that you'd

2138
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:22,920
Speaker 1: be like say it finished his sense? You know, Steve,

2139
01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if down the road I made

2140
01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:33,160
Speaker 1: a blank five that made a piece of gear that

2141
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:35,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna be carrying in our back in in a

2142
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:38,760
Speaker 1: stone glacier back something that I might toe around in

2143
01:57:38,920 --> 01:57:40,880
Speaker 1: my path. There is a lot of cool stuff on

2144
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:44,200
Speaker 1: the drawing board. Yeah, yeah, that's fun. Yeah, it is fun.

2145
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:46,640
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the best part of the business

2146
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:48,520
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned. Britain, how do you cut

2147
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:53,760
Speaker 1: your leg up so bad? Chicken wire? Fence fence, chicken wire.

2148
01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:57,480
Speaker 1: I guess you're trying to restrain some chickens. No, my

2149
01:57:58,160 --> 01:58:00,360
Speaker 1: my might have a little five month old puppy that

2150
01:58:00,440 --> 01:58:03,080
Speaker 1: likes to get. You're trying to keep it, trying to

2151
01:58:03,160 --> 01:58:06,280
Speaker 1: keep it out of the garden. You got including thoughts, pretty,

2152
01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to go first,

2153
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:15,880
Speaker 1: I don't I don't got ship, I got nothing. All

2154
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:18,640
Speaker 1: my questions are answered. I was gonna say, it's easy

2155
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:22,320
Speaker 1: for Kurt to uh go sheep on in September and

2156
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:25,440
Speaker 1: the middle of the raw in good Elk country here

2157
01:58:25,600 --> 01:58:30,240
Speaker 1: because he's already got a whole corner of his man

2158
01:58:30,360 --> 01:58:35,160
Speaker 1: cave here. They're not even on the wall. Um was

2159
01:58:35,320 --> 01:58:42,560
Speaker 1: just how many other five? Anymore? Five? Here's probably more others.

2160
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:46,040
Speaker 1: Just beautiful six point bowls and anybody would be happy with.

2161
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:48,640
Speaker 1: So once you've a mass knees and you're like, whatever,

2162
01:58:49,600 --> 01:58:53,800
Speaker 1: elk milk going cheap. I don't care if I see

2163
01:58:53,840 --> 01:59:01,120
Speaker 1: the animals anymore. I hadn't old client once tell me

2164
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:04,680
Speaker 1: after we kill the six point bull those maybe he's

2165
01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:06,640
Speaker 1: big as the smallest one that I'm looking at here,

2166
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:08,680
Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, he can never have too many

2167
01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:13,160
Speaker 1: six point bulls. I agree with that. Six points or

2168
01:59:13,160 --> 01:59:16,000
Speaker 1: six point right, Yeah, I think, like, yeah, I think

2169
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:18,400
Speaker 1: I got mutely bucks. I feel like you can't just

2170
01:59:19,160 --> 01:59:23,680
Speaker 1: there's no I can see that like you'd say you can't,

2171
01:59:24,600 --> 01:59:27,080
Speaker 1: like for instance, for instance, like I went must cox

2172
01:59:27,200 --> 01:59:32,400
Speaker 1: on no desire at all to go Muskoxn. But I'm saying, like, yeah,

2173
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:34,800
Speaker 1: I think that people find they're kind of a lot

2174
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:38,080
Speaker 1: of guys find their thing, you know, like how many

2175
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:40,760
Speaker 1: how many buck Racks be caught up hanging in Doug

2176
01:59:40,840 --> 01:59:47,520
Speaker 1: Durn's in the Buckman juice room. Twenty's not all his?

2177
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:49,720
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know it's not He's not like,

2178
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:51,400
Speaker 1: oh you know, two more and I'm done. You know,

2179
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:54,200
Speaker 1: it's just not how he looks at it. What was

2180
01:59:54,200 --> 01:59:56,400
Speaker 1: your concluding thought? That was it? You can't have too

2181
01:59:56,440 --> 01:59:59,680
Speaker 1: many big old can have too many six points and

2182
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:01,840
Speaker 1: that's how you get to go unlimit sheep points after

2183
02:00:01,880 --> 02:00:05,840
Speaker 1: even mask and you have to give up some you know. Now,

2184
02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:09,280
Speaker 1: what's up? So your wife doesn't like you have You

2185
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:12,720
Speaker 1: can't put antlers and whatnot up in your living room? No,

2186
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:17,040
Speaker 1: I could. I like having everything right here. Just I

2187
02:00:17,160 --> 02:00:20,000
Speaker 1: like my space. Yeah, yeah, that's one of the things

2188
02:00:20,040 --> 02:00:22,720
Speaker 1: I like about my wife. Yeah. I put anything anywhere

2189
02:00:22,720 --> 02:00:24,840
Speaker 1: I want. People are always like, oh, I can't put

2190
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:28,520
Speaker 1: it in the bedroom. It's it's like, dude, I don't

2191
02:00:28,760 --> 02:00:32,240
Speaker 1: say i'd go get a new wife, but my wife,

2192
02:00:32,480 --> 02:00:34,480
Speaker 1: My wife doesn't mess any about stuff like that. Man,

2193
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:36,760
Speaker 1: I'm not saying yours does. You just like to keep

2194
02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:41,440
Speaker 1: it all tidy. I like my space and I come

2195
02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:46,040
Speaker 1: down here. That's what I want to as a fan

2196
02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:48,600
Speaker 1: of Buffalo too, I take it because I see two

2197
02:00:49,120 --> 02:00:51,840
Speaker 1: pieces of art Buffalo on them. Yeah. Actually my sister

2198
02:00:51,960 --> 02:00:56,360
Speaker 1: painted that one for me. Yeah, back in the day.

2199
02:00:56,440 --> 02:00:58,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know I like about you most Kurt

2200
02:00:58,840 --> 02:01:02,040
Speaker 1: is it? Uh you keep everything real neat I have

2201
02:01:02,120 --> 02:01:06,200
Speaker 1: a real problem like with neatness means that I like it.

2202
02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:08,440
Speaker 1: I like it too much. I like it too much.

2203
02:01:09,640 --> 02:01:11,360
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem keeping neat. I just like

2204
02:01:11,880 --> 02:01:15,920
Speaker 1: I like it so much that it becomes a thing

2205
02:01:16,040 --> 02:01:20,000
Speaker 1: in and of itself. It's like there's a great functional

2206
02:01:20,120 --> 02:01:24,320
Speaker 1: quality to neatness, right, But for me, neatness is an

2207
02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:28,600
Speaker 1: end in itself. Do you understand what I'm saying. That's

2208
02:01:28,640 --> 02:01:30,800
Speaker 1: when it becomes a problem. Yeah, Well a four and

2209
02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:34,680
Speaker 1: a six year old take care of that, and two

2210
02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:38,800
Speaker 1: four and seven so they did, Like we have a

2211
02:01:38,840 --> 02:01:41,440
Speaker 1: fish and check. And my brother who likes stuff neat too,

2212
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:44,800
Speaker 1: He's like when he closes his eyes and pictures it

2213
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:48,200
Speaker 1: in the future, he pictures a coast guard station like

2214
02:01:48,560 --> 02:01:51,760
Speaker 1: that neat you know, yeah, I like that, but this

2215
02:01:52,240 --> 02:01:58,560
Speaker 1: this room doesn't make Matt. Matt's trick to neatness, though,

2216
02:01:58,640 --> 02:02:01,040
Speaker 1: is to get rid of all your ship, he says.

2217
02:02:01,120 --> 02:02:02,760
Speaker 1: He goes, when I shut the door in my house,

2218
02:02:02,840 --> 02:02:05,000
Speaker 1: I like, it's not like I'm walking into a gymnasium.

2219
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:10,200
Speaker 1: So his need is is just to expunge the house

2220
02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:13,160
Speaker 1: of all items. So it's like his house is like

2221
02:02:14,040 --> 02:02:17,160
Speaker 1: about as empty as a house could be, because that

2222
02:02:17,480 --> 02:02:19,560
Speaker 1: means it's like there's nothing too straighten up because he

2223
02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:22,800
Speaker 1: got rid of it all, you know, just like stripped.

2224
02:02:22,920 --> 02:02:26,760
Speaker 1: He lives a monastic, like a fairly monastic life, he

2225
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:29,520
Speaker 1: commented on liking my house, but he lives nine hours

2226
02:02:29,560 --> 02:02:32,240
Speaker 1: away from his wife. They have separate homes that are

2227
02:02:33,160 --> 02:02:37,800
Speaker 1: nine hours apart. Wow. When they hang out, it's like

2228
02:02:37,880 --> 02:02:42,200
Speaker 1: they're like like a dating couple having a good old time,

2229
02:02:43,240 --> 02:02:47,520
Speaker 1: good stuff. Yeah, and it's not like they're they're not

2230
02:02:47,560 --> 02:02:49,360
Speaker 1: about it. They're not about it, like, oh, we're just

2231
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:52,680
Speaker 1: trying to get through this right, And then it'll be

2232
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:57,880
Speaker 1: that they're like just very fine with that. Him having

2233
02:02:57,960 --> 02:03:04,880
Speaker 1: his very neat house without even having her ship. Well,

2234
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:11,000
Speaker 1: I figured out it was well like when you guys

2235
02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:13,400
Speaker 1: first asked me to be on this particular podcast and

2236
02:03:13,480 --> 02:03:15,040
Speaker 1: you said you were going to talk about she hunting

2237
02:03:15,040 --> 02:03:16,200
Speaker 1: the whole time, I was like, I don't really have

2238
02:03:16,240 --> 02:03:19,440
Speaker 1: anything to contribute, which I didn't have much, But but

2239
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:21,120
Speaker 1: what I will say is that I think you guys.

2240
02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:23,000
Speaker 1: I went into it thinking like, I don't think I

2241
02:03:23,040 --> 02:03:25,280
Speaker 1: could ever do is she hunt or would ever want

2242
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:28,640
Speaker 1: to do in I think you guys your enthusiasm definitely

2243
02:03:28,720 --> 02:03:33,840
Speaker 1: changed my mind. I'm not going to do it, but

2244
02:03:34,320 --> 02:03:40,240
Speaker 1: you're like that she would have a hard time shooting

2245
02:03:40,280 --> 02:03:43,120
Speaker 1: a bull elk because they're too majestic. Oh my, she

2246
02:03:43,360 --> 02:03:46,600
Speaker 1: has a thing of like the majestic quality. I don't know,

2247
02:03:47,040 --> 02:03:50,400
Speaker 1: and majestic you should see him up close once they're dead.

2248
02:03:52,120 --> 02:03:53,840
Speaker 1: But that's the thing. Yeah, I don't know. It's like

2249
02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:55,880
Speaker 1: I feel like and I've just never I've never had

2250
02:03:55,880 --> 02:03:58,800
Speaker 1: the opportunity, so I can't say, like, what would happen

2251
02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:01,120
Speaker 1: like in the moment, you know, it's hard. It's one

2252
02:04:01,160 --> 02:04:03,000
Speaker 1: thing to say it now sitting here, but it's another

2253
02:04:03,080 --> 02:04:05,240
Speaker 1: to say it like actually in the moment. But I

2254
02:04:05,320 --> 02:04:06,920
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I feel like if I saw one,

2255
02:04:06,920 --> 02:04:11,120
Speaker 1: I would just be like like last to see last season, Um,

2256
02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:13,960
Speaker 1: my boyfriend I went hunting in for meal and the

2257
02:04:14,200 --> 02:04:16,480
Speaker 1: Missouri breaks and I had an opportunity at like a

2258
02:04:16,640 --> 02:04:21,360
Speaker 1: huge um and I like, I was just like my

2259
02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:25,040
Speaker 1: boyfriend was like, are you gonna just what's going on here?

2260
02:04:25,120 --> 02:04:30,560
Speaker 1: Like my jaw was on the floor. So it's weird

2261
02:04:30,600 --> 02:04:33,440
Speaker 1: to me because that seems like a patriarchal perspective. But

2262
02:04:33,640 --> 02:04:38,320
Speaker 1: to have a woman say that she grants a male

2263
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:42,880
Speaker 1: animal a higher majestic score, that's entirely possibly and a

2264
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:45,920
Speaker 1: female seems like I like it because it's unexpected. I

2265
02:04:45,960 --> 02:04:49,280
Speaker 1: would just expect to have I would visualize that as

2266
02:04:49,320 --> 02:04:52,360
Speaker 1: like this, like very like patriarchal view of animals. I

2267
02:04:52,400 --> 02:04:56,440
Speaker 1: don't know. The male is more he's the he's the

2268
02:04:56,520 --> 02:05:00,440
Speaker 1: special one. Well, he's more like spectacular. I mean he

2269
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:04,240
Speaker 1: has these incredibly huge, you know antlers that you know,

2270
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:06,560
Speaker 1: took him a long time to throw those. No, he

2271
02:05:06,600 --> 02:05:09,200
Speaker 1: grows a few. I don't know. I mean it's just

2272
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:11,440
Speaker 1: like there's something more like majestic to the way that

2273
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:16,440
Speaker 1: they look. But I don't know it has it has

2274
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't I can't explain it. I

2275
02:05:18,960 --> 02:05:23,120
Speaker 1: can't explain that was a good one. Uh you anything

2276
02:05:23,120 --> 02:05:26,760
Speaker 1: you don't want to add? Well, I don't you ever

2277
02:05:26,840 --> 02:05:29,160
Speaker 1: get shocked messed around with high volted electricity. I guess

2278
02:05:29,200 --> 02:05:30,800
Speaker 1: you don't get any chances to have it. No, No,

2279
02:05:30,920 --> 02:05:33,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of a one shot deal. You're combine the

2280
02:05:33,960 --> 02:05:40,640
Speaker 1: two somehow high voltage packs into like tie fashion and

2281
02:05:41,120 --> 02:05:44,560
Speaker 1: like make fancy packs with like glow in the dark. Yeah, yeah,

2282
02:05:44,600 --> 02:05:47,920
Speaker 1: with your specific tools. Yeah. Yeah, that's a that's a

2283
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:50,280
Speaker 1: tough one to go. You know, people will spend a

2284
02:05:50,360 --> 02:05:53,680
Speaker 1: lot of money on their recreation. They really won't spend

2285
02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:57,720
Speaker 1: it on their work necessarily, so yeah, but it would

2286
02:05:57,720 --> 02:05:59,560
Speaker 1: be fun. I mean, you're not gonna make like a

2287
02:05:59,720 --> 02:06:04,600
Speaker 1: super up tool kit for I don't think so compete

2288
02:06:04,640 --> 02:06:09,720
Speaker 1: with Lows and home depot. Yea, um, never been shocked.

2289
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:11,880
Speaker 1: You got anything you want to add that you didn't

2290
02:06:11,880 --> 02:06:14,760
Speaker 1: get a chance to, Like you were wishing had come up,

2291
02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:17,400
Speaker 1: but it never came up. No, uh no, I mean

2292
02:06:17,440 --> 02:06:20,640
Speaker 1: I just appreciate you guys having us on and it's

2293
02:06:20,680 --> 02:06:23,920
Speaker 1: been a lot of fun, learned, a lot came up.

2294
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:26,760
Speaker 1: I hope you can sell a whole shipload of packs. Man,

2295
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:29,360
Speaker 1: Well thank you. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna We're gonna keep

2296
02:06:29,400 --> 02:06:32,120
Speaker 1: hammering on it. And I think you guys need to

2297
02:06:32,160 --> 02:06:38,000
Speaker 1: start to marketing campaigns. One would be tidy. Two would

2298
02:06:38,040 --> 02:06:42,720
Speaker 1: be we kill unlimited rams. Just have a sign says

2299
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:49,000
Speaker 1: that yeah, non guided we killed non guided unlimited rams. Well,

2300
02:06:49,080 --> 02:06:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's funny that that's that. That would

2301
02:06:51,120 --> 02:06:53,520
Speaker 1: be My only closing comment on that is is that

2302
02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:58,960
Speaker 1: the the unlimited cheap hunt is Uh, people are pretty

2303
02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:01,120
Speaker 1: tight with the information and the guys who go in

2304
02:07:01,240 --> 02:07:05,680
Speaker 1: there and spend the amount of time, uh, you know,

2305
02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:09,240
Speaker 1: you own it. You can earn it and so. But

2306
02:07:09,480 --> 02:07:12,480
Speaker 1: in in the same respect, you can have all the

2307
02:07:12,560 --> 02:07:14,880
Speaker 1: information in the world from guys have been successful and

2308
02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:17,720
Speaker 1: go in there and you know, not not see anything,

2309
02:07:18,200 --> 02:07:20,440
Speaker 1: but you know it kind of reminds me of fight

2310
02:07:20,480 --> 02:07:23,560
Speaker 1: club or something. You know. Number one rule, right, first,

2311
02:07:23,680 --> 02:07:30,320
Speaker 1: number one first rule, do not talk about Sorry, but

2312
02:07:30,440 --> 02:07:32,360
Speaker 1: you haven't done anything bad because you guys haven't even

2313
02:07:32,440 --> 02:07:38,240
Speaker 1: named like a train now range um. But that's a

2314
02:07:38,600 --> 02:07:41,480
Speaker 1: question I have is do you feel like it could

2315
02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:46,080
Speaker 1: be a possibility that you might get your tag back

2316
02:07:46,240 --> 02:07:50,280
Speaker 1: next year and then you can haunt every year until

2317
02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:51,800
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, I'm over on them to sheep

2318
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:55,160
Speaker 1: hunting and not kill another ram. Well, there's only a

2319
02:07:55,280 --> 02:07:58,280
Speaker 1: two point five seven percent chance that I you know

2320
02:07:58,440 --> 02:08:01,720
Speaker 1: that I take. I mean, obviously you're a positive thinking

2321
02:08:01,800 --> 02:08:03,520
Speaker 1: person because you're gonna go in there and try and

2322
02:08:03,680 --> 02:08:05,360
Speaker 1: every time you walk in there you're thinking, I'm gonna

2323
02:08:05,400 --> 02:08:07,800
Speaker 1: kill one. But like that's a realistic possibility you could

2324
02:08:07,840 --> 02:08:10,320
Speaker 1: hunt another twenty years and not kill another sheep. Yeah,

2325
02:08:10,440 --> 02:08:12,320
Speaker 1: And and I think it depends on you, know, how

2326
02:08:12,440 --> 02:08:15,600
Speaker 1: you where you hunt, what you want to do. Do

2327
02:08:15,640 --> 02:08:17,400
Speaker 1: you want to spend more time exploring it? Do you

2328
02:08:17,480 --> 02:08:20,440
Speaker 1: want to. It's not that this is going to happen.

2329
02:08:20,680 --> 02:08:22,560
Speaker 1: And it might sound silly to say, but it almost

2330
02:08:22,600 --> 02:08:24,600
Speaker 1: be disappointed if you walked in there and only spent

2331
02:08:24,720 --> 02:08:27,800
Speaker 1: three days after waiting seven years and you got one. You,

2332
02:08:28,360 --> 02:08:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you wouldn't turn it down. And I don't

2333
02:08:30,160 --> 02:08:34,160
Speaker 1: want to, But there is there. There's a lot to

2334
02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:38,640
Speaker 1: being able to look up at that and and and say,

2335
02:08:38,920 --> 02:08:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, I invested a lot of times. There were

2336
02:08:40,640 --> 02:08:42,760
Speaker 1: a lot of good memories went along with it. That

2337
02:08:42,920 --> 02:08:45,560
Speaker 1: might be the representation of it right now, but really

2338
02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:47,560
Speaker 1: what was special was just the stuff that I got

2339
02:08:47,640 --> 02:08:49,680
Speaker 1: to experience where you know, how you grew back there,

2340
02:08:49,720 --> 02:08:53,120
Speaker 1: how you overcame things that that you didn't think maybe

2341
02:08:53,200 --> 02:08:55,360
Speaker 1: you would. You know those times when you haven't seen

2342
02:08:55,360 --> 02:08:57,600
Speaker 1: anything for nine days and you start the question why

2343
02:08:57,640 --> 02:09:00,840
Speaker 1: am I here? You know, you spending time with my

2344
02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:03,760
Speaker 1: family right now, I haven't seen anything for nine days,

2345
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:06,680
Speaker 1: and then the tenth day something's there. It's like it

2346
02:09:06,760 --> 02:09:09,680
Speaker 1: just happens like that. So you know all of those

2347
02:09:09,760 --> 02:09:11,920
Speaker 1: things that you start to grow, and then you start

2348
02:09:11,960 --> 02:09:14,600
Speaker 1: to apply that to say LK hunting, where you're seeing

2349
02:09:15,360 --> 02:09:20,880
Speaker 1: many elk in comparison, and and it changes your your

2350
02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:24,000
Speaker 1: perception of hunting. I think is probably the most positive

2351
02:09:24,040 --> 02:09:26,440
Speaker 1: thing that's done for me, because you pay more attention to,

2352
02:09:28,080 --> 02:09:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, all the little things that happened imposed it

2353
02:09:30,440 --> 02:09:33,000
Speaker 1: just you know, the big things and something standing in

2354
02:09:33,080 --> 02:09:36,280
Speaker 1: front of you. So because some days there aren't no

2355
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:41,080
Speaker 1: big things, yeah, many days, most days yeah yeah, and

2356
02:09:42,080 --> 02:09:44,920
Speaker 1: you're you know, after nine days of being by yourself,

2357
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:47,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen very long. You are very often you

2358
02:09:47,720 --> 02:09:49,480
Speaker 1: start to run out of things to even think about.

2359
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:53,480
Speaker 1: Most people, most people, it's an interesting people will never

2360
02:09:53,720 --> 02:09:59,520
Speaker 1: ever happen. Bring a book or three, Yeah, bring a book.

2361
02:10:00,120 --> 02:10:02,120
Speaker 1: Work with the Sun. That was a ringer of a

2362
02:10:02,200 --> 02:10:04,800
Speaker 1: closing thought right there, Because do you have any final

2363
02:10:04,840 --> 02:10:06,440
Speaker 1: thing you want to add? Man, things that didn't come

2364
02:10:06,520 --> 02:10:07,880
Speaker 1: up that you wish you'd got to talk about. I

2365
02:10:08,040 --> 02:10:09,680
Speaker 1: want to talk about a big old posts were just

2366
02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:11,360
Speaker 1: caught in our shrimp pop. But I'm not gonna talk

2367
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:14,600
Speaker 1: about that right now. Ok it was actually my buddy shrimps.

2368
02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:18,520
Speaker 1: I am so confused about. Okay, we got big I'm

2369
02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:21,480
Speaker 1: thinking of a cat son. You want to talk about

2370
02:10:21,480 --> 02:10:23,840
Speaker 1: something that never had you guys, think unlimited sheep hunt.

2371
02:10:25,160 --> 02:10:29,880
Speaker 1: It's like seeing sand Claus. Yeah, getting octopus to shrimp pots,

2372
02:10:30,760 --> 02:10:33,280
Speaker 1: just like you know, you pull a lot of shrimp pots,

2373
02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:35,480
Speaker 1: not get oxoputs. Go out the other day and I

2374
02:10:35,600 --> 02:10:37,920
Speaker 1: boaded over to my like a buddy of mine was

2375
02:10:37,960 --> 02:10:41,360
Speaker 1: out pulling shrimp pots and he was kind of mad

2376
02:10:41,400 --> 02:10:43,720
Speaker 1: that I wasn't coming to help him, and I don't

2377
02:10:43,720 --> 02:10:45,600
Speaker 1: want to go because it's it's a very difficult area

2378
02:10:45,640 --> 02:10:47,960
Speaker 1: to take a skiff too. And I go over there

2379
02:10:48,080 --> 02:10:49,920
Speaker 1: and he already he had eight and the water he

2380
02:10:49,960 --> 02:10:55,680
Speaker 1: already pulled six. He's kind of pissed. I'm not really pissed,

2381
02:10:55,680 --> 02:10:58,960
Speaker 1: but he's annoyed. Um, hook it up, pull a pot,

2382
02:10:59,040 --> 02:11:03,200
Speaker 1: big old pusts man. Yeah, he's in my freezer right now.

2383
02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:05,680
Speaker 1: I was all geared up to talk about that. So

2384
02:11:05,800 --> 02:11:07,600
Speaker 1: tell me how you're gonna cook it, because we did

2385
02:11:07,680 --> 02:11:10,480
Speaker 1: that a couple of times in Alaska and we never

2386
02:11:10,720 --> 02:11:13,960
Speaker 1: really got it figured out. Yeah, it was really good.

2387
02:11:14,080 --> 02:11:16,920
Speaker 1: It just was you had to you had to work

2388
02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:19,320
Speaker 1: at it. There's a couple of ways people do it. Um.

2389
02:11:19,800 --> 02:11:23,240
Speaker 1: One way as you take a switch like I know

2390
02:11:23,360 --> 02:11:25,920
Speaker 1: that one chef likes to use the apple switch stick

2391
02:11:26,800 --> 02:11:32,080
Speaker 1: and beat the snot out of it or uh in Japan.

2392
02:11:32,960 --> 02:11:36,320
Speaker 1: They'll take a bucket and they'll have salt Corse salt

2393
02:11:36,400 --> 02:11:38,200
Speaker 1: in the bucket and put in the bottom of a

2394
02:11:38,240 --> 02:11:40,160
Speaker 1: five gallon bucket with a bunch of very coarse salt.

2395
02:11:41,120 --> 02:11:43,240
Speaker 1: Punch it. No, just put it in the bottom and

2396
02:11:43,320 --> 02:11:45,400
Speaker 1: just start punching the legs and punching the legs and

2397
02:11:45,560 --> 02:11:47,720
Speaker 1: working around and punch and punch and punch. You're saying

2398
02:11:47,760 --> 02:11:52,800
Speaker 1: this is to kill it, to kill it, Yeah, we

2399
02:11:52,920 --> 02:11:56,280
Speaker 1: figured that. Yeah, to kill you way lower than you

2400
02:11:56,360 --> 02:12:00,760
Speaker 1: think it would because the brains to tenderize it crazy. Yeah,

2401
02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:03,880
Speaker 1: So you just you ever watch Gero Dreams of Sushiyah.

2402
02:12:04,280 --> 02:12:07,320
Speaker 1: There's a scene in there where someone's tenorizing just beating

2403
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:13,400
Speaker 1: in the bible bucket, uh my mentor in all things, uh,

2404
02:12:13,760 --> 02:12:20,440
Speaker 1: all things salt water um par boils them. So thirty

2405
02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:22,839
Speaker 1: minute he gets no beating at all, he gets pissedly

2406
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:26,080
Speaker 1: say parbo he rolled, he'd like to say roll boil.

2407
02:12:26,240 --> 02:12:30,320
Speaker 1: He roll boils them the arms for thirty minutes and

2408
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:32,440
Speaker 1: then the kind of this outside skin kind of comes off.

2409
02:12:32,480 --> 02:12:34,640
Speaker 1: You scrape it off. Then he packs in to dry

2410
02:12:34,760 --> 02:12:38,640
Speaker 1: Brian four to one. Then he smokes it, then he

2411
02:12:38,760 --> 02:12:42,040
Speaker 1: jars it and it is the best ship on the planet. Man.

2412
02:12:43,480 --> 02:12:48,760
Speaker 1: My closing thought is, man, is that puss sound good? Man?

2413
02:12:48,840 --> 02:12:52,080
Speaker 1: I want some Oxtrobus for dinner now. Umm. Would just

2414
02:12:52,160 --> 02:12:55,120
Speaker 1: be at tune. Encourage people to try new things and

2415
02:12:56,080 --> 02:12:58,839
Speaker 1: collect as many experiences as you can. And if unlimited

2416
02:12:58,920 --> 02:13:02,680
Speaker 1: Cheap Hunting is one of those things, go for it. Yeah,

2417
02:13:02,720 --> 02:13:05,760
Speaker 1: there's only guys out there trying to kill ten sheet.

2418
02:13:05,880 --> 02:13:08,080
Speaker 1: Just know what you're getting into. Just know what you're

2419
02:13:08,080 --> 02:13:11,520
Speaker 1: signing up for in the realities of it, and it's

2420
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:14,720
Speaker 1: the most rewarding thing. Oh yeah, that getting out there

2421
02:13:14,720 --> 02:13:18,080
Speaker 1: and doing stuff thing is so important if we're just

2422
02:13:18,120 --> 02:13:22,720
Speaker 1: getting like general life ship, because when you're laying there dying,

2423
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:27,280
Speaker 1: we got a couple of minutes, you're not gonna be like, Man,

2424
02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:30,600
Speaker 1: am I glad I didn't do that unlimited Cheap Hunt Right,

2425
02:13:30,640 --> 02:13:32,560
Speaker 1: It's just not gonna be what you say when you die,

2426
02:13:33,400 --> 02:13:43,240
Speaker 1: unless you're dying on the cheating you whatever you say,

2427
02:13:43,240 --> 02:13:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm not answering. I'm done talking, okay. Um. I don't

2428
02:13:47,680 --> 02:13:50,800
Speaker 1: know if this is the time for because what if

2429
02:13:50,840 --> 02:13:52,880
Speaker 1: he wants to tell us a story himself, who we're

2430
02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:56,720
Speaker 1: gonna possibly go in and hang out with positives and decent.

2431
02:13:59,560 --> 02:14:02,960
Speaker 1: He miss You guys know Jim Pozwits one of Montana's

2432
02:14:03,080 --> 02:14:07,440
Speaker 1: greatest conservationists. Well, he's a national figure. Yeah, he's a

2433
02:14:07,560 --> 02:14:10,360
Speaker 1: national figure. But he did most his work. He's very yeah,

2434
02:14:10,400 --> 02:14:13,400
Speaker 1: but very influential cons You could you could say that

2435
02:14:13,560 --> 02:14:17,920
Speaker 1: he you know, not single handily, but he certainly spearheaded

2436
02:14:17,960 --> 02:14:21,560
Speaker 1: the effort that kept the Yellstun River from being damned. There,

2437
02:14:21,960 --> 02:14:24,480
Speaker 1: helped keep it the longest free flowing river in the country.

2438
02:14:25,120 --> 02:14:28,320
Speaker 1: But I was hanging with him the other morning talking, uh,

2439
02:14:28,600 --> 02:14:34,160
Speaker 1: doing some recording of some other stuff. Sorry to something, Well,

2440
02:14:34,200 --> 02:14:38,200
Speaker 1: I've messed something up. The longest freestone river in the

2441
02:14:38,240 --> 02:14:45,240
Speaker 1: lower forty eight not the country, copy um and Jim,

2442
02:14:45,440 --> 02:14:48,400
Speaker 1: I think it's eighty two this year, and drew a

2443
02:14:48,480 --> 02:14:52,680
Speaker 1: goat tag I think second or third time. He's like,

2444
02:14:52,720 --> 02:14:54,760
Speaker 1: I've already killed, I think he said. And he's killed too.

2445
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:56,840
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm already killed two, don't need to kill

2446
02:14:56,880 --> 02:14:59,720
Speaker 1: a third one. But he says, I'm not giving this

2447
02:14:59,800 --> 02:15:01,880
Speaker 1: one back so someone else can go kill. I'm gonna

2448
02:15:01,880 --> 02:15:04,880
Speaker 1: give this got a pass go up there, that's going

2449
02:15:04,920 --> 02:15:09,560
Speaker 1: to get to live another year. Right, But because of

2450
02:15:09,680 --> 02:15:13,760
Speaker 1: his health, he also cannot make it up to go.

2451
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:16,360
Speaker 1: And it's the first time I asked him the first

2452
02:15:16,400 --> 02:15:19,280
Speaker 1: time the health is keeping you off of hunt? He said, yep,

2453
02:15:20,280 --> 02:15:23,200
Speaker 1: I said, ship if I'm eighty two and I get

2454
02:15:23,240 --> 02:15:25,160
Speaker 1: to say that this this year's the first year, the

2455
02:15:25,240 --> 02:15:27,360
Speaker 1: first time not going up on the mountain because of

2456
02:15:27,400 --> 02:15:30,320
Speaker 1: my health, Like it'll be a good life, right. He

2457
02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:34,320
Speaker 1: added to that to say that, he said, like, that's

2458
02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:37,120
Speaker 1: all cool, I'm happy with it. Whatnot? He says, you know,

2459
02:15:37,680 --> 02:15:40,400
Speaker 1: kind of he says, I hope you know when the

2460
02:15:40,520 --> 02:15:43,600
Speaker 1: time comes or when there's that moment I think you

2461
02:15:43,680 --> 02:15:45,560
Speaker 1: can all kind of get when I'm getting at here,

2462
02:15:45,600 --> 02:15:51,560
Speaker 1: He's like, I hope to see what that goat is seeing. Well,

2463
02:15:51,680 --> 02:15:54,280
Speaker 1: it's kind of a beautiful stout. He's a good thinker.

2464
02:15:54,760 --> 02:16:00,840
Speaker 1: I know I wasn't say anything, but uh, sorry, Jim,

2465
02:16:02,200 --> 02:16:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm not talking. I'm channeling Jim Posits, so I'm not

2466
02:16:04,720 --> 02:16:09,040
Speaker 1: actually saying Jim Posits was talking about. Uh, you know,

2467
02:16:09,080 --> 02:16:11,600
Speaker 1: he's an elderly man and a couple of years ago

2468
02:16:11,640 --> 02:16:15,240
Speaker 1: he was out hunting and near his home in Helena

2469
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:17,880
Speaker 1: and he's climbing up to a place to to hunt

2470
02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:25,080
Speaker 1: Elco place where he knows the outcome through and ship

2471
02:16:25,560 --> 02:16:28,440
Speaker 1: I got myself in the situations in earlier. Okay, before

2472
02:16:28,440 --> 02:16:30,760
Speaker 1: I tell you this, I'll tell you some other thing now.

2473
02:16:31,200 --> 02:16:37,240
Speaker 1: Roosevelt Poter Roosevelt, So Roosevelt um has his famous quote

2474
02:16:37,560 --> 02:16:40,000
Speaker 1: where a guy said, like, so earlier, I talked about

2475
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:41,440
Speaker 1: how it came to be that the wild animals belong

2476
02:16:41,480 --> 02:16:45,720
Speaker 1: to the people. Um, you know, Roosevelt was, I want

2477
02:16:45,760 --> 02:16:48,920
Speaker 1: to be conservative and conserved wildlife. And so someone once

2478
02:16:48,959 --> 02:16:52,200
Speaker 1: said that Roosevelt like, if it belongs to us and

2479
02:16:52,320 --> 02:16:54,480
Speaker 1: it's ours, why can't we just go get it all?

2480
02:16:55,040 --> 02:16:58,000
Speaker 1: And he said, it doesn't just belong to you, it

2481
02:16:58,120 --> 02:17:02,080
Speaker 1: belongs to those Americans. Ill in the womb of time.

2482
02:17:02,959 --> 02:17:07,880
Speaker 1: What a line so posits is uh going up the hunt,

2483
02:17:09,000 --> 02:17:11,560
Speaker 1: and he becomes aware of a father and two kids

2484
02:17:12,800 --> 02:17:17,560
Speaker 1: behind him and on the trail, and the father is

2485
02:17:17,600 --> 02:17:21,200
Speaker 1: holding the kids back because he's reluctant to allow his

2486
02:17:21,360 --> 02:17:25,160
Speaker 1: kids to come smoking up past some old man. And

2487
02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:30,120
Speaker 1: Jim realizes that they're like purposefully plodding along out of

2488
02:17:30,560 --> 02:17:34,640
Speaker 1: out of deference, and he says that he turns and

2489
02:17:34,760 --> 02:17:38,080
Speaker 1: talks to says, I want you to go ahead, and

2490
02:17:38,760 --> 02:17:41,000
Speaker 1: he says and he's telling the story. He talks about

2491
02:17:41,480 --> 02:17:49,520
Speaker 1: um them passing him, and there are three generations worth

2492
02:17:49,600 --> 02:17:54,280
Speaker 1: of those people that we're in Roosevelt's womb of time out,

2493
02:17:54,360 --> 02:17:58,720
Speaker 1: sharing the resource. He's a profound dude man. That sounds

2494
02:17:58,760 --> 02:18:02,200
Speaker 1: like it. He's got some real s angers, all right.

2495
02:18:02,280 --> 02:18:04,560
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining h