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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Work in Progress, whip smarties. This week we

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Speaker 1: are joined by an incredible performer and advocate who is

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Speaker 1: one of the most wonderful people to run into in

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Speaker 1: any room and has some of the most exceptional taste

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Speaker 1: in the material she chooses to work on. She has

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Speaker 1: been nominated for Best Supporting Actress in a Drama Series

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Speaker 1: for the Critics' Choice Awards Outstanding Supporting Actress in a

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Speaker 1: Drama Series for the NAACP Awards.

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Speaker 2: Anne has won.

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Speaker 1: Back to back Outstanding Drama Ensemble Awards at the SAG Awards,

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Speaker 1: all for her incredible work as Beth Pearson on NBC's

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Speaker 1: series This Is Us. She has worked across Broadway, film, television,

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Speaker 1: and she is back on screen in Shondaland's brand new

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Speaker 1: show The Residence. She's here today to talk about what

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Speaker 1: it's like to work in the world of Shonda alongside

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Speaker 1: Uzu Aduba, and what it's like to make a show

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Speaker 1: revolving around a murder mystery in the White House. We

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Speaker 1: will touch on some of her lessons about following your passion,

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Speaker 1: trusting your calling, and finding your voice as an artist,

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Speaker 1: and I'm excited to ask her about what she thinks

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Speaker 1: present day Susan would have to say to nine year

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Speaker 1: old Susan. Let's dive in, Susan, I'm so so happy

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Speaker 1: to have you on the show today. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I am good? How are you? I'm great?

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Speaker 1: You are one of those people to begin that I

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Speaker 1: have to say in the last I mean, don't know

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Speaker 1: what time really is, you know, post pre lockdown. Everything's

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Speaker 1: kind of melting right, but right it feels like five years,

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Speaker 1: which means maybe it's been ten. But like since you

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Speaker 1: and I have been running into each other at things.

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Speaker 1: Anytime I see you in a room, I'm always like, ah.

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Speaker 2: Ah, so sweet. I love that. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You're a beautiful talent, but you're such a genuine human

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Speaker 1: and it was really fun, you know, having grown up

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Speaker 1: with some of the folks that you did, this is

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Speaker 1: us with to feel very familiar with some of you

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Speaker 1: and then get to meet so many more of you,

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Speaker 1: Like just seeing y'all in rooms, having that experience, you know,

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Speaker 1: getting your flowers, like giving everybody a family to come

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Speaker 1: home to on TV. I just I loved it. So

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Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I'm just thrilled to be with you today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 3: This is so lovely and I love like you said,

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Speaker 3: you know, you do these shows, and you do all

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Speaker 3: these circuits, and you know what it is, right, and

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Speaker 3: to like make connections or hope for connections, and you

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Speaker 3: want to be sort of as genuine as possible and

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Speaker 3: meet people who are, you know, sort of like minded

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Speaker 3: and things like that. And sometimes the business feels like

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Speaker 3: the thing that connects us all. But it's really lovely

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Speaker 3: when we get like sit and really know each other

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Speaker 3: So I just I love this. I'm so happy to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. And I am so absolutely in love

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Speaker 1: with new show and I have a million things I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you about it. But before we before

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Speaker 1: who are at these beautiful crossroads, who are doing these big,

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Speaker 1: amazing projects and who have crazy stories, and I like

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Speaker 1: to think about it before you were you know, a

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Speaker 1: And I wonder if the adult woman that you are today,

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Speaker 1: her mind would just be totally blown at what your

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Speaker 2: You know? You know she had big dreams.

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Speaker 2: And back then it was like a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Just the perspective on it.

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Speaker 3: You know. I think there's something like, when you're younger,

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Speaker 3: takes to do those things that you dream about. You

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Speaker 3: And some part of that is fortunate, because maybe a

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Speaker 3: lot of us wouldn't sign up for it if we

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Speaker 3: my main hope is that, yeah, she would be proud

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of connection there. It's not like,

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Speaker 3: Then suddenly and then you know, I think a lot

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Speaker 3: be liked or accepted, and all of those things. And

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of a lot of those things

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Speaker 2: You're like, I don't care, But.

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Speaker 3: I also think that the passion and and all of

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Speaker 2: As we talk about it.

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Speaker 3: But it is a beautiful thing to be able to

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Speaker 1: And there's something that there's something I like about pondering

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Speaker 1: And I like also being able to have that visualization,

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Speaker 1: for like the really good things, you know, the points

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And I did this all the time. You know, this

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Speaker 3: Leading people towards certain conversations, and you know, just like ridiculous, right,

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Speaker 3: and and I just anything that I could do to

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Speaker 2: I wasn't in art school. I wasn't doing any of

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Speaker 3: So anything that kind of that kind of led me

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Speaker 1: So then what was the what was the kind of

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Speaker 2: It was not as glorious as I thought it would be.

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Speaker 3: I got out of school and I remember thinking, I

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Speaker 3: Then you look at did that partnership create success? What

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Speaker 3: and you can't even imagine that now, like nobody you

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Speaker 1: I love that because what I'm hearing you say is

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Speaker 3: And and I my hope is that in anybody watching

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Speaker 3: I feel like any of that envy or jealousy and stuff,

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Speaker 2: Just by being you. It's just your own authentic youth.

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Speaker 1: I love that, And it's kind of a recalibration, right,

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Speaker 3: It's like, really, the thing is, everything happens at different

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Speaker 3: I've got, and just pick out the things to be

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Speaker 3: grateful for and just what I have. I'm not looking

444
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Speaker 3: at no, just what do I have that I can

445
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: be incredibly grateful for in this moment? Tomorrow it'll be

446
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 3: in that moment, the next thing, it'll be in that moment.

447
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: But really and really get happy and really like invest

448
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 3: in getting excited about your life. Like practice actually getting excited.

449
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 3: There's there is something exciting to just like, oh, you know,

450
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna meet my friend today.

451
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Speaker 2: I love being with that friend, you know, to have

452
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Speaker 2: like this, you know, this coffee.

453
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make this thing, this pancake that I saw

454
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: that they doing, like like the Graham It's like a

455
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: two ingredient pan gonna make it, you know what I mean.

456
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 3: Like there's an investment in the little things and get

457
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 3: excited about the little things. And once you start to

458
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 3: see all the little things in your life that you

459
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 3: can be excited about, I think that's such a better

460
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 3: a better focus than looking at other people. Because we

461
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 3: can also go about the adage of you never know

462
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 3: what somebody's going through anyway, you don't know what everybody

463
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 3: you don't know that you really want that you know,

464
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Speaker 3: you know, and.

465
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Speaker 2: God, yeah, and God forbid you.

466
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Speaker 3: You you you know, you don't ever want to also

467
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: put negative energy out toward people. You want people to thrive,

468
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 3: You want people to you know, to do well. I

469
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 3: think it's a reflection on all of us. I don't

470
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 3: see us so much as individuals. We're all a part

471
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: of this big collective, you know, and everybody has their

472
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 3: part to play and the collective. So if somebody's playing

473
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 3: their instrument really well, this doesn't mean you need their instrument.

474
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 3: It means you need to start tuning up yours, get

475
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Speaker 3: your rehearsal on, get your stuff together, and get your

476
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Speaker 3: instrument popping, because we need you.

477
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Speaker 2: In the band.

478
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Speaker 1: You know.

479
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Speaker 3: Yes, somebody is on the other side. I'll never forget

480
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: it was told to me this way. Someone is always

481
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Speaker 3: waiting on the other side of your obedience. So the

482
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 3: minute you say yes to the things that you are

483
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 3: being called to, the things that you feel like in

484
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 3: your purpose are a part of your journey. The minute

485
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: you say yes and you start really you know, pursuing

486
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 3: and achieving, there's somebody else waiting on the other side

487
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 3: to see that, to inspire their part of the journey,

488
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 3: their leg of it, you know. And so you don't

489
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 3: even realize, we don't even realize as human beings the

490
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: power there is and really stepping into where you're being

491
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 3: called to be.

492
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Speaker 2: It's so powerful it resonates for everybody.

493
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, because it has that ripple effect.

494
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: It does.

495
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: And now a word from our wonderful sponsors. You know,

496
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Speaker 1: it's like the cliche is a cliche, right, it's a

497
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: phrase because it's so universally true that hindsight is twenty twenty.

498
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: Like you look back and you go, oh my god,

499
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: it all makes sense, the stress and the hardship, you know,

500
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: the thing that I thought went wrong, but really it

501
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: was going right for me. Like is it a wild

502
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: thing to now through the journey of your career, you know,

503
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: all the work that goes into the overnight success moment?

504
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: Is it wild to look back from this knowing how

505
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: this is us began for you, how best began for you?

506
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: Did you know what it meant? Or were you sort

507
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: of on the ride and couldn't believe where it went?

508
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 2: Like what does it look like?

509
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: Kind of in the rear view now.

510
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 3: In the moment, I knew what it meant to take

511
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: bringing this character to life in a very three dimensional way.

512
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: I knew the importance of that. That's what I knew

513
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: in the moment.

514
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: I was like, look, you know, we.

515
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 3: Have this woman on screen that I have an opportunity

516
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: to really represent the every woman. You know, in representing

517
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: the every woman, she comes in my package, which is

518
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: a black woman. So I have the opportunity to show

519
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: who I know us to be, you know. And I

520
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: took that very seriously, and not seriously in a way

521
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: where I was walking around like I got to be no, no, no.

522
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: I just knew what that was.

523
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: And that went into any scene that I did or

524
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 3: anytime you know, Sterling and I played that there was

525
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: the resonance of we have to be true to who

526
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 3: we know these people are in the world. We have

527
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: to be really true to that so people understand and

528
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 3: get a new perspective and a deeper perspective, you know.

529
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: So to some people, I was preaching to the choir,

530
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: and to some people it was a very new experience

531
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: for them as an audience member. But that I knew

532
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: in the moment that I wanted to be a woman

533
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: that women identified with.

534
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: And so she's a very.

535
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: She's very much a compilation of so many different women

536
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: in my life that I've experienced. That is in hindsight,

537
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 3: I she is really I you know, I hear all

538
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: the time the effect of that she had on people.

539
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: I hear about it all the time. I don't know

540
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: if I'll ever truly wrap my brain around that. I don't.

541
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I don't I'm not.

542
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Speaker 3: Sure that it's necessarily for me too to wrap my

543
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: brain around.

544
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: I think I can only be grateful that that it landed, you.

545
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: Know what I mean with people and and I am

546
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 3: so grateful that people identified with who she is.

547
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: But I didn't watch her in the same way as

548
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: an actor.

549
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: When I'm watching my work, I'm watching for technical things,

550
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: I'm watching her.

551
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: How do I get better? You know what it is?

552
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

553
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: So you know, you have to allow for it to

554
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: be for your audience, you know, and for them to

555
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 3: after a while, she's theirs. She's not really mine anymore.

556
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Speaker 1: Well because in a way, you know, I think about

557
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: it's like a seesaw to me in my brain, that's

558
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: what comes. Like I think about this swing seat, but

559
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: then I think about the seesaw. We're just on the

560
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: playground today.

561
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah sure.

562
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: And like you bring all these women you know and

563
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: their experiences into the room with you, and especially the

564
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: experiences of women you know you haven't seen on camera

565
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: into the room with you. It's the privilege of being

566
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: I think, a woman and an actor, and it's so

567
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: compounded and so much exponentially larger as an audience member

568
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: and a fan to watch you do this as a

569
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: black woman, and as a black woman on a show

570
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: like this, and as a black woman on a show

571
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: like this married to Sterling K. Brown's character on a

572
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: show like this. Inside of the world of the show

573
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: like this, like, I just see the multiplication table, and interestingly,

574
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: it must be the most personal thing for you and

575
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: all these women you know you carry in the room

576
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: with you as Beth, And the minute Beth goes out

577
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: in the world, exactly as you're saying, she represents, I

578
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: would imagine that many women and that many stories and

579
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 1: that many family histories for everyone who watches her and

580
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: sees themselves or someone they love in her. And it's like,

581
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: in that way, it's almost like the multiplication table happens

582
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: out in the world.

583
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's right.

584
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Speaker 1: And you know it keeps going, but you can't possibly

585
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: know how big it is because you're not on that

586
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: side of the seesaw. But it's like, I remember conversations

587
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: I had with my best friend Nia when the show

588
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: was on and she you know, you guys started airing

589
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: and I was working on a show in Chicago, and

590
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: she'd come visit me from Detroit and we were opening

591
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: a business in Detroit. We opened a beautiful intersectional hair

592
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: salon together because we met in our twenties and we'd

593
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: go to award shows and we couldn't get our hair

594
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: done together, and we were like, well, the beauty industry's

595
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: racistem this is bullshit, right, And you know, in our

596
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: two ties we complained about it, and then in our

597
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: thirties we were like, oh, well, maybe we'll come up

598
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: with a way to fix it. And I remember like

599
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: sitting in the apartment one night, like taking her braids

600
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: out on the couch, watching you guys, and she was like, Beth,

601
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: care's a better speak on it. And we were just

602
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: laughing and we were like, it tickled me as a

603
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: woman who loves this like powerful, amazing black woman to

604
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: see her be so tickled by you. And then like

605
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: we're sitting in this moment like taking her braids out

606
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: and then talking about how amazing it is to see

607
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: you on this big network show as this woman with

608
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: her natural hair, Like it it hit us and all

609
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: around us and in our business and in our friendship

610
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: and like we were just two girls in Chicago watching

611
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: your show and you didn't know either one of us.

612
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 3: Then it's mess something It's so amazing the power of

613
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Speaker 3: what it means to like come into a living room

614
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Speaker 3: for people.

615
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Speaker 2: You know, we know what that is. We we know,

616
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: you know. I can't name how many shows growing.

617
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 3: Up that you you know, I there are certain series

618
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 3: like when I rewatched them from growing up, like you know,

619
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 3: I get I get teary eyed.

620
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: At the end because I feel like I grew up

621
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: with these people.

622
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: You know, like they were in my my house, and

623
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Speaker 3: you know, and so to be able to do that,

624
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 3: if even if it's from anything to seeing a professional woman,

625
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 3: seeing a woman be you know, more than a mother

626
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 3: and a wife and try to find her own way

627
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: in the world, or even down to the hair, like

628
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: I remember when I started the show, there wasn't a

629
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Speaker 3: ton of doing natural.

630
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Speaker 2: Hair on TV happening at that time, and.

631
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Speaker 3: I remember being a huge topic of conversation. But it

632
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 3: was one of those things, like I mentioned that I thought.

633
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Speaker 2: Well, in my.

634
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: Desire to keep her as authentic as I can imagine,

635
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 3: one of the things with black women, you can see

636
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: the hair switch up, like that's just part of the

637
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 3: for doing this authentically.

638
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: This has to be kind of a part of this ride.

639
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 3: And so it was definitely intentional on my behalf, but

640
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: it wasn't so thoughtful. I just thought like, oh, you

641
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 3: know what part of the authors see authenticity is going

642
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: to be her changing up her hair, Like that just

643
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: has to be there, you know what I mean. So

644
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: it wasn't like this major, but I understood the effect

645
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: that it did have for those watching it because I

646
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: can't imagine either, Like if I was, you know, like

647
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 3: on the other side of that, I'd been like, wait,

648
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: they don't let us do that.

649
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah.

650
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: But I was so grateful to be in a space

651
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 3: that that that type of again authentic journey was welcomed.

652
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: And nobody contested it.

653
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: Nobody said, oh, you know she needs to nobody said anything.

654
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: Nobody said anything. So as long as nobody said no,

655
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: I just kept saying okay, and every week okay.

656
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: And then somebody told me that Dan one time was

657
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 3: in the editing room because you know, she was really

658
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 3: switching it up. And and I remember one time Dan

659
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 3: was in the editing room and somebody told me that

660
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 3: Dan was like, oh, I can't wait to see what

661
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: best Hair is doing this week. Yeah, and yeah, this

662
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: is Dan Fogelman who created the show. For everybody who's listening,

663
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: it's you know who's now working with Thirling on Paradise.

664
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: Just a really powerful showrunner and creative has given us

665
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 3: so so much amazing work. And Dan was just one

666
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 3: hundred percent down with it. So that it also helps

667
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: when the environment is inviting you to do the thing

668
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: that you feel best advocates for your for your character.

669
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's interesting, right, Like, I know a lot

670
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: of people make a lot of money on the internet,

671
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: making it seem like how we allow people to be

672
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: fully themselves or fully considered is too much effort for

673
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: society instead of awesome, right. And it's like, I like,

674
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: I love the way you're talking about it because on

675
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: the one hand, it's just authentic. It's just who this

676
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: woman is. It's who so many women you know are.

677
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: It's actually not rocket science for the production, it's not

678
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: hard on anybody. But what it is when it's just

679
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: allowed to be part of the daily journey of someone

680
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 1: and be simply that is so transformative for people who

681
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: see it who've never gotten to see it.

682
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 2: Right.

683
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: So it's like it's not rocket science, but it is

684
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 1: major in terms of what it becomes on screen.

685
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Speaker 2: I agree. Sorry, I just.

686
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Speaker 1: Love that you were in an environment where it got

687
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: to be both. It got to be the most casual,

688
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: obvious thing so that it could go out in the

689
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: world and be powerful.

690
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

691
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

692
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: I remember being in front of we were doing a

693
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 3: panel with the people with journalists from the Golden Globe,

694
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 3: and I remember asking, has anyone in the room seen

695
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: a couple like.

696
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: Randlen Beth, like a black couple of the way that

697
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: we were being.

698
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: And in that Hope Pannel, which was at least maybe

699
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,479
Speaker 3: about how many people were in that room, maybe twelve

700
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 3: to fifteen or something, but from all over the world,

701
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: there's just one person raised their hands and I was like, oh,

702
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: you know, so it was something like I said, it's

703
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 3: something that for some people it's like, yeah, totally we

704
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: get this, and for some people it's like, oh wow,

705
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: this is so there's there.

706
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 2: That's the power of what.

707
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 3: We get to do and and the medium we get

708
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 3: to use to do it, because it can just it's

709
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: in your home, turn on the TV's there.

710
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's beautiful and you and Sterling did God. I

711
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: just I love watching you both work as actors. You know,

712
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: I think about on that show and I think about

713
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: your new show and his new show that you just mentioned, Like,

714
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: I love watching y'all. But the the o bond and

715
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: affection and safety you two had together as performers, like

716
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: it just radiated from the screen. I imagine it's it's the

717
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: most special thing to get to make something like that.

718
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: I work with your friend, and it's got to be

719
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: hard when it's time to go, right, Like, is it

720
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: bittersweet to watch Paradise now and be like, God, he's

721
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 1: so good, but.

722
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: I miss him. You know, we got to visit each other.

723
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: It's so funny. I was shooting on one line, he

724
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 2: was shooting across the street on the other. No, So yeah,

725
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: for sure.

726
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 3: So I went over there one time, I think when

727
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: I was having lunch or something.

728
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: Are we trying to do or maybe I.

729
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: Had just finished it, whatever it was, I went over

730
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: And the amazing thing is that so many people who

731
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: shot on This is Us they rehired the same crew.

732
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 3: They rehirea directors. Yeah, they're high, you know, hair and makeup,

733
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 3: you know, all those people were there. Cool of of course,

734
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: Sterling of course, and and Dan and at the time John,

735
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 3: John and Glenn were directing Who and they directed John

736
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: Rink gn Glenn Fakarr. They directed our first episode of

737
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Speaker 3: This Is Us. So they were essentially the ones that

738
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 3: got me hired onto This US because they were they

739
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 3: were the first directors that I had auditioned for, and

740
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 3: they brought me back into the you know, the final,

741
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: the test and all of that. But they they are

742
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: fantastic directors and so it was just a whole reunion set.

743
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: It really was just like the best reunion. Yeah, yeah,

744
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 3: it was great.

745
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: And now for our sponsors, well, and it's not lost

746
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: on me that you went from and I love that

747
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: the family continues, right, like the family moves in to

748
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: this other space. But you went from a big, you know, familial,

749
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: well oiled machine into Shondaland right like Susan, the Residence

750
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: is so good.

751
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 2: It is so great.

752
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: I loved the script when I read it. I am

753
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: so in love with the show and the cast and

754
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: the pacing and the music and the It's like it

755
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: feels like a play and and and like what I

756
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: wanted Clue to be. But never was no shade to

757
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: anybody who made that movie back in the day, Like,

758
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's it's Poirot. It's all these amazing,

759
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: juicy stories and you all are so good, Like how

760
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: did this happen? Were you were you freaked out about

761
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: like the size of the Shonda World? Did you know

762
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: anybody before? Like, tell me, tell me how the residence

763
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: came to be?

764
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: You know, I.

765
00:41:54,719 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 3: Remember my agent told me about it. He first told

766
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: me about it and sort of like our group meeting

767
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: with everyone that my whole team, you know, and that

768
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: was one of the projects that they had discussed. And

769
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 3: then I remember him coming back to it and I

770
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: was in London at the time doing a play at

771
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 3: the Old Vic and they said, yeah, you know, look

772
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 3: they're looking at you, you know, for this role of Jasmine,

773
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: So give it a read and let us know what

774
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: you think. And I called them back within within ten

775
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: minutes because I looked.

776
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: At it right away, you know what I mean.

777
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: And I called hi back within ten minutes like I

778
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 3: did like page fifteen, and I was like, yeah, sign

779
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 3: me up.

780
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: Whatever.

781
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 3: And then I came back to New York a month

782
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: later because I remember I traveled.

783
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: I went to South Africa for the first time. I

784
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: did it like a whole thing.

785
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: And I came back and they were like, yeah, they

786
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 3: want to set up this meeting with you. And so

787
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 3: I met with Paul William Davies, who's the amazing writer,

788
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: who just the extraordinary writer. He wrote all eight episodes.

789
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: And I met with Betsy Bears, the fabulous Betsy Beers,

790
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 3: and well, actually Betsy wasn't in that meeting, so it

791
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: was Paul and Alison who were.

792
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: In that meeting. Wonderful Alison.

793
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: I and and then I had to meet with Betsy

794
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 3: the next day because she was unable to make that meeting.

795
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: And Betsy, as you know, is Seanda's partner. And and

796
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 2: I just when I got in the meeting.

797
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: Listen, it's kind of like that that audition crasher I

798
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 3: told you about the second day. She walked into that meeting, like, look,

799
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on, but I read this scrip, honey,

800
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 3: and this is amazing. You know.

801
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: I just was so lit up by this project, so

802
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 2: lit up.

803
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: Yes, I was like, whatever you guys need, you know, whatever,

804
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: I just I want you to have because this project

805
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 3: is incredible.

806
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: I would love to be a part of this thing.

807
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 3: I it's it's playing for me in my head like

808
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: a movie already. But I think I just was so

809
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: excited to meet who was behind it, and like it

810
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 3: was just very exciting to me. I don't know, it

811
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 3: didn't feel like anything like you know, sometimes those things

812
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 3: can feel tense or you know, like you have nerves

813
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: or something. I didn't feel anything like that. I was

814
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 3: just so excited by the material. I just thought it

815
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 3: was fun. It just all of it just felt really

816
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: amazing and just sort of like I just had so

817
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: much love for it.

818
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: I think I led with that.

819
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: Than anything else. And we just had the amazing conversation

820
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 3: about it. And again then next day I met with

821
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Speaker 3: Betsy and we just had an amazing conversation. And the

822
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: great thing about Stondaland is like, Wow, they get some

823
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: amazing people to work for them and with them, I

824
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: should say, they are just an incredible team over there,

825
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 3: and it's really inspiring the way they put people together

826
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 3: and how they lift people up, you know, in their

827
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 3: in their own journeys as writers or as actors, as

828
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 3: you know, behind the scenes. They make sure you know,

829
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 3: crews are respected and that things are as diverse as possible,

830
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: and that people get as much opportunity as possible. So

831
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: it has been just such a wonderful, wonderful ride with Chaplin. Yeah,

832
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 3: to leave, you know, that's the space of this is

833
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 3: us space, and going to that space was really kind

834
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 3: of amazing, and it felt very correlated in a way

835
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: because it was very similar in terms of the type of.

836
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: The type of people I was working with. It's just

837
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: really good people.

838
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: Good people, and it's and it is it's a level,

839
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: it's it's it's rare air, you know. And I've thought

840
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: about you guys so much as I've been watching the

841
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: show since the premiere, because while it's in my you know,

842
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 1: every couple of days I get to another episode moment

843
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: in life. I've been working on Grays this season, and

844
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: let me tell you something like walking onto that set,

845
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: I went, oh, I see, yeah, this this is exactly

846
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: the kind of place I want to come to work.

847
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: The way people respect each other, the way people will

848
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: speak to each other, the both efficiency that exists so

849
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: that you can be patient with the work.

850
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: Like it it's rare.

851
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And oh man, there's there's something very special that

852
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: the Shondaland enterprise does. And I feel like it comes

853
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: through on screen like I'm watching you all, and the

854
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: pacing and the cuts and the there's always something bubbling

855
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: under the surface, and it feels so exciting and it

856
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: feels very sparkly.

857
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,479
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that.

858
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 3: I think when I think of Shondaland, I think of sparkly,

859
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: don't you. Yes, Like it's it just feels like you are.

860
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: Watching TV through like champagne. Yeah, it's just the best.

861
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

862
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: There's just glitter on it.

863
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 3: It's just Yes, there's just something shiny about it, and

864
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: you just want to jump into the screen and be

865
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 3: with them. And the stories are compelling and they make

866
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 3: you want to It's the best page turn. It just

867
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: makes you want to turn the page and go to

868
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 3: the next and go to the next, and and so yeah,

869
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 3: I've binged so many Shonda shows, as as everybody else has,

870
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 3: you know. So the minute I knew that I was

871
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: going to Shondaland, I yeah, I was on like, yeah,

872
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 3: the first ticket out of here, and I was like, yes,

873
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 3: I will be there.

874
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: And how did you guys? How is it as a unit?

875
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: You know? I think about this world you're inhabiting. I

876
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: think about how how Uzo's character comes in as this detective,

877
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: how everybody's got to build out the kind of political

878
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: apparatus of the White House around it, and the show

879
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: is at the same time very serious and very funny.

880
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: It's a murder mystery, but it's funny. How did you

881
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: all figure out how to to pull the strings of

882
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: getting the tone just right?

883
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: Paul was very specific about the tone. He knew what

884
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: he wanted it to be. He was very.

885
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: It was written into it musically, I think, and rhythmically.

886
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: His tone was written into the script. He was very

887
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 3: hands on about it. So I don't think we were

888
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: ever at a loss necessarily for like where we at

889
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 3: and what's the tone.

890
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: I think in the very beginning we had.

891
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 3: To figure it out, you know, those first first week

892
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 3: or so. But once we were into it and we

893
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 3: got it, I think it was there. And like I said,

894
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: it was something that I know all was very clear

895
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: about from the beginning.

896
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: But it's it's it's fun.

897
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: And one of the things that caught us the most,

898
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 3: or caught our attention the most, was that you really

899
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 3: had to play against a lot of some of the

900
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 3: jokes in order for it to be funny in a

901
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 3: way that's funny that doesn't like wear.

902
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: You out, do you know what I mean?

903
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: Like if very dry yeah, if you do it try,

904
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 3: then you can kind of keep that going for a while.

905
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 3: But if everybody's like huge, you know what I mean,

906
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 3: it can get like oh shouts, it's a lot, you know.

907
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: So I think that there was something really smart about

908
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 3: One of the things they said was just play it

909
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: very straight, play straight, you know, and just let it

910
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 3: be there. Let the comedy be there. And I love

911
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 3: comedy like that. I love comedy where you kind of

912
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: don't see, like everybody's just being and it.

913
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: Just me so don't I don't like that embarrassing, like dumb,

914
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: anxious comedy. I like I like this sort of intellectual almost.

915
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 2: Uh.

916
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's a British dryness because

917
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: it's a very American show, but it has been a

918
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: little bit.

919
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't that that is a very kind of British thing, though.

920
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 2: Isn't it. Yeah? It's yeah, it has that. It's it's witty,

921
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: you know.

922
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 3: And and it's it's.

923
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 2: Smart and it's dry.

924
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 3: And then sometimes it's just straight up you know, you

925
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: have characters in there like the Third Man and you're

926
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 3: just like, oh, that's.

927
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: Just straight up comedy, you know what I'm saying.

928
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 3: So there's so many different ways I think it can go,

929
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 3: but I I know that it's very grounded by by

930
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: Uzzo's Cordelia Cup, which is a beautiful, beautiful thing.

931
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,959
Speaker 1: You know, it's so much fun to watch her play

932
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: this character.

933
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: Because you know, it's just watching people play. Was one

934
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: of the joys.

935
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: Of being on the show is you could be in

936
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 3: a scene and there are like, you know, there might

937
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 3: be like twelve people in the scene with you right now,

938
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 3: and you might not be speaking, but as I'm watching,

939
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: you know, whoever is speaking, I'm biting.

940
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: The inside of my cheek.

941
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to like hold it together because I

942
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 3: want to laugh, you know, like really when I was like, oh,

943
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 3: that was.

944
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: Funny, you know, and I'm such a.

945
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: Fan of comedy, so to see that firsthand and in person,

946
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 3: and then and I also feel like Uzo has such

947
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: great instincts, you know, Ramdall has such great in There's

948
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 3: people can Marino, There's people just with such great instinct

949
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 3: Molly Griggs, I just go on and on. Their instinct

950
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 3: is just has a bit of a comedic bend to it.

951
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: So even sort of the most mundane things can be

952
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 3: just really funny.

953
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: I love that, and the set must be breathtaking, because

954
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: for the whole first episode, I'm sitting there being like,

955
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: I've I've spent some time what an insane sentence, like

956
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: my nine year old self would geek, I've spent some

957
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: time in the house, And like I'm looking at the

958
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: set and then the sort of three D model of

959
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: the back when the back wall comes up, it's so impressive.

960
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow, how many.

961
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: Like how many sound stages? Is it just the biggest

962
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: craziest set you've ever worked on?

963
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

964
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: It was.

965
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 3: I think somebody asked me today like was it How

966
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 3: did you do the various levels? And you know, some

967
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: things were built on a bit more of like an

968
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: elevation so that you can come downstairs or you can

969
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: go upstairs and you can do those types of things,

970
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 3: and then some things were just on the just on

971
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 3: a flat level and created to feel like you were going.

972
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: Up and downstairs.

973
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 3: But I felt, I knew whenever I was in there,

974
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 3: it just really put you in the middle of the

975
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 3: White House, like you just I've never been inside the

976
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 3: White House, But after so many people who have been

977
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 3: came back and told us it was eerily the exact

978
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: copy even down to the like the square footage in

979
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 3: certain areas and things like that. So I I really,

980
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 3: you know, heads off to our design team because it's

981
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 3: it's really an incredible feat because.

982
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: People watch it and think you didn't shoot that in

983
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 2: the White House.

984
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, we literally do that. Well, what can

985
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: we expect from season two? I am just so excited

986
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: for more of this show.

987
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 3: I you know, I I'm we're waiting to hear and

988
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 3: I'm yeah, And I'm not sure what Paul is up

989
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 3: to for season two, but I would be really excited

990
00:53:58,560 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 3: to know.

991
00:53:58,920 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 2: I knew, I do know.

992
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 3: That if and when they announced the season two I

993
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: know he would be very ready for when. I'm trusting

994
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: that He's just so brilliant. But I'm thankful that people

995
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: want a season two. It's been you know, it's so

996
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 3: fun to you know, hear people's response to the show.

997
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: And and and let me tell you something, in a heartbeat,

998
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 3: they call.

999
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 2: Me up, I'm there for sure, Yeah for sure.

1000
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: Oh. I love that. I know. I know we've hit

1001
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: our time. I feel like I could spend all day chatting.

1002
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to do this in New York in

1003
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: person soon.

1004
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: Oh, amazing. I love it.

1005
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: I would just love it. But I will part with

1006
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: my favorite and final question to ask people, which is

1007
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: just from here, And it can be a personal thing,

1008
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: a professional thing, a little mix of both. What feels

1009
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: like you're working progress as you look out at the

1010
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: rest of your year and what's coming.

1011
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 2: I think, be brave, be bold.

1012
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 3: I think that's the work in progress.

1013
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: Be brave, be.

1014
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 3: Bold, because I feel like that calls me into things

1015
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 3: that I may not be as familiar with, things that

1016
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 3: will make you a little fearful because you don't know

1017
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 3: what it is or you're not sort of super comfortable.

1018
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 3: But also just if I'm going to do it, be

1019
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 3: brave about it and also be bold about it, like

1020
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 3: do it in a really step out And I think

1021
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 3: that is call for twenty twenty five and this is

1022
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 3: a really great year for that with everything going on

1023
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 3: in the world, you know, is to face it, sort

1024
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 3: of face it with your fearful or not just face

1025
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 3: it and be bold about facing it.

1026
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, So that mm hmmm, That's what

1027
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to carry beautiful.

1028
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much. I'm I'm just so happy

1029
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: to have spent the morning with you and so thrilled

1030
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: that you've brought me my next newest favorite show. So

1031
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: thank you for the personal I am the entertainment okay,

1032
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: and I want.

1033
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 2: To watch you on Grace. Yeah, yah yay. I love

1034
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 2: that we're we're in it.

1035
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: You have a beautiful rest of your day.

1036
00:56:37,560 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 2: Thank you.