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Speaker 3: Oh yes, come on, good, what a minutes not work?
Speaker 2: Can I heard around that? I heard it? No you didn't.
Speaker 2: I was a sneeze. That's what I was wanting.
Speaker 4: I have the fight song.
Speaker 3: No, we don't have time for that. Stuffs talking about. Alright,
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Speaker 2: Ever take it? You got it. There were la la
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Speaker 4: We're on the twenty twenty five officially, now.
Speaker 2: Right, and you have and this is a football player.
Speaker 4: There is one football player on the football field, just
Speaker 4: a had some rehab out there. Maybe at zeke he
Speaker 4: can still be picked up. He can be picked up
Speaker 4: by one of these days available right, All right, this
Speaker 4: is your one hour warning or is it one hour
Speaker 4: and fifteen minute warning?
Speaker 5: Well, the start of the press conference on time.
Speaker 4: It's at eleven am. Press conference today, Brian Schottenheimer, your
Speaker 4: new head coach.
Speaker 2: And you guys were right, You guys were right.
Speaker 3: I didn't think they would have a coach at this point,
Speaker 3: and you guys said they would, So you got me
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 4: We eliminated Kellen Moore a week ago.
Speaker 2: Basically a week ago.
Speaker 4: It was last Tuesday that we said that we thought
Speaker 4: we'd be talking about a new head coach on Monday.
Speaker 4: And that's right, you have it, a new head coach,
Speaker 4: and we've got two teams in the Super Bowl, Kansas
Speaker 4: City and Philadelphia. And enough about that, let's move on
Speaker 4: to twenty twenty five and the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: You guys were kind of huddled together after I left
Speaker 3: after the show, as if y'all were scheming or something.
Speaker 2: Scheming.
Speaker 3: Did y'all have anything to do with this last that
Speaker 3: was last last.
Speaker 2: Month, Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday. Yes, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: By the way, before we get started on all that, ever,
Speaker 4: since this is the anniversary of a big day in
Speaker 4: your life.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 4: What day is it?
Speaker 5: January twenty seventh?
Speaker 4: Yep, nineteen ninety one?
Speaker 2: Oh? Was that what we won?
Speaker 4: Wide right? January twenty January twenty.
Speaker 2: Seventh, And I thought it was intol February.
Speaker 4: No, No, it wasn't until later that they started playing
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I don't feel any different.
Speaker 5: Also feel older, you're one year old.
Speaker 2: I don't feel anything happier thinking about that.
Speaker 3: Moment was a happy moment, though, it was a glorious moment.
Speaker 2: Tears.
Speaker 3: I told you about the silly press conference. I was
Speaker 3: finally waiting to make my moment, you know, with the
Speaker 3: media all around after the game, and I started crying,
Speaker 3: and as I wiped my eyes, they were all going
Speaker 3: to other areas to inter because LT.
Speaker 2: Good job ever since, see you later.
Speaker 1: It's also the eighty year anniversary, the celebration of the
Speaker 1: liberation of Aswitzchwitz. Schwitz can't spit it up.
Speaker 3: I've been watching those movies recently, a few of those
Speaker 3: movies on Yeah, crazy stuff.
Speaker 4: Man, was this a diversionary tactic?
Speaker 1: No? No, you just said it was an anniversary. I said,
Speaker 1: well it was another in Hey, well we're going to
Speaker 1: be did I write? Why is that?
Speaker 2: I have to mention?
Speaker 3: I lost my running back, my full back from Grambling
Speaker 3: State University. He was part of about nineteen eighty Black
Speaker 3: college championship team at Grambley State University. Robert Parham ended
Speaker 3: up getting a Grambling Hall of Fame. He died of
Speaker 3: a heart attack, and he was a heck of a fullback.
Speaker 3: He's one of those guys that was he was a
Speaker 3: smart runner, but he wasn't talented.
Speaker 2: He knew where his blockers were at all times, and.
Speaker 3: He reminded me a lot of Le'Veon bell On how
Speaker 3: he was able to follow his blockers from step to
Speaker 3: step and maximize, uh, every every carry that he had.
Speaker 3: So I just had to mention that since since you
Speaker 3: bringing up Auschwitz so.
Speaker 1: Well, they brought up yesterday. I forgot it was five
Speaker 1: years Kobe.
Speaker 3: Wow, oh, they were saying, remembering Kobe, I did see
Speaker 3: that this morning and.
Speaker 4: It was it was a Sunday morning too, all right,
Speaker 4: So get that out eleven o'clock press conference this morning.
Speaker 5: And it's gonna be a big show.
Speaker 1: By the way, it got a age set up.
Speaker 4: Did you come through the front door upstairs or did
Speaker 4: you go to the back door?
Speaker 2: You always anyone's all still work.
Speaker 4: All set up, all set up in the atrium area
Speaker 4: here at the Star. It's going to be a big shindig.
Speaker 4: Of course, carried live here Dallas Cowboys dot Com. I'm
Speaker 4: sure all the local TV.
Speaker 5: Station stations were all prom.
Speaker 4: NFL Network probably be carrying it live, and so here
Speaker 4: we go. It's the Brian Schottenheimer erab Dallas Cowboys football.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these are the Cowboys. I think Ben Johnson got
Speaker 1: a live interview in Chicago.
Speaker 2: That is a good point, Bro, that is a good point. Ben.
Speaker 3: Just hide the side boom, Let's go home, you know,
Speaker 3: let's let's get ready to move.
Speaker 4: Is Pete Carroll the biggest news that happened in Vegas
Speaker 4: that day?
Speaker 3: Well, we saw him running around out there on the
Speaker 3: football field. That's about it passes. That was his celebration.
Speaker 5: So yeah, this is tenth tenth time.
Speaker 1: Cowboys of ten head coach and coach nine by Jerry And.
Speaker 4: The announcement came down at eight thirty or so.
Speaker 1: On eight forty five somewhere in there, and I had
Speaker 1: to spring in the action to kind of rewrite my column.
Speaker 2: Who'd you think it would be? Oh?
Speaker 1: I thought, by then that's what was going to happen.
Speaker 1: He I had to write, and I didn't want to
Speaker 1: wait till eight o'clock at night to start, So I
Speaker 1: thought I was covering myself. And I wrote about how
Speaker 1: you know the Cowboys, this whole thing is about continuity.
Speaker 1: And I said one of the biggest parts of the
Speaker 1: continuity was the fact that the Cowboys have Will McLay
Speaker 1: here and they have some continuity in their front office.
Speaker 1: Not saying he's the general manager, but he's sort of
Speaker 1: the kind.
Speaker 5: Of like general manager.
Speaker 1: And I was pointing out that just because you hire
Speaker 1: a general manager is not the panacea of success in
Speaker 1: the NFL panacea, because there was five teams out there
Speaker 1: looking for new gms, right and I was listening what
Speaker 1: all the other teams do, but the Cowboys still had
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. And then I kind of switched it to say, well,
Speaker 1: here's the reason also why they are hiring Brian Schottenheimer
Speaker 1: as the new head coach, to continue some continuity on
Speaker 1: the offense where you've spent the majority of your salary
Speaker 1: cap funds on the offense, and you better take care
Speaker 1: of the offense.
Speaker 5: And so I thought this was a move to be
Speaker 5: able to do.
Speaker 1: That, because whoever you hired elsewhere as the head coach,
Speaker 1: the first question in the interview had to be who's
Speaker 1: your offensive court because you didn't just lose a head coach,
Speaker 1: you lost your offensive coordinator too. Now do you want
Speaker 1: to start from scratch for the third time? In five
Speaker 1: years or do you want to continue with what you
Speaker 1: had going on? And I think that's probably the one
Speaker 1: of the main reasons that Brian Schottenheimer is now the
Speaker 1: Cowboys head coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as far as the higher is concerned. To me,
Speaker 3: personnel is personnel. It's it's the people that you have
Speaker 3: working for you underneath that. To me, I've always thought that, Uh,
Speaker 3: the figurehead is there and that's the way it's supposed
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 2: He's gonna take all the blame.
Speaker 3: But those guys, those minions, for lack of a better term, uh,
Speaker 3: they better be able to work and better be able
Speaker 3: to communicate. So along with Schottenheimer, we've let go of
Speaker 3: a few guys as well, right.
Speaker 5: Well they left, I mean.
Speaker 4: They're all under not under contract officially. We know of
Speaker 4: John Fossil's moving on to Tennessee. Al harris has moved
Speaker 4: on to Chicago. Mike McCarthy has an interview supposedly midweek
Speaker 4: with New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Oh he does, okay, because I was saying I haven't
Speaker 1: seen him.
Speaker 4: Seen reports that he midweek should have an interview with
Speaker 4: New Orleans.
Speaker 5: I think between him and Kelly could.
Speaker 4: Be and so then and I think they can go
Speaker 4: ahead and talk with Kellen this week. Of course they
Speaker 4: couldn't become of course, it's another couple of weeks before
Speaker 4: he would become available. And let's let's also Joe Brady
Speaker 4: would be another one. You would think that New Orleans
Speaker 4: might be talking to you.
Speaker 5: I read something he took his name out.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, And let's.
Speaker 1: Also understand this. Everybody's like, what had an interview Ben Johnson?
Speaker 1: They didn't interview Aaron Glenn, shocking that one day after
Speaker 1: they lost. Each of them had a job right, that
Speaker 1: was planned out. The agents had all that knocked out way.
Speaker 5: Ahead of time.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, oh, let's interview this guy, Oh let's
Speaker 1: hire him. No, that was.
Speaker 4: Worked out well in those interviews, virtual interviews taking place previously.
Speaker 4: And so that was the criticism about the process for
Speaker 4: the Cowboys. Is waiting on the Mike McCarthy decision, where
Speaker 4: you missed the opportunity to interview virtually Aaron Glenn or
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson January. You could have during for the for Detroit,
Speaker 4: a team with a first round by that they were
Speaker 4: able to conduct interviews. But it just tells you that
Speaker 4: they were not on the radar.
Speaker 2: No they were not not at all.
Speaker 5: He was right and here's the exactly, here's here's the
Speaker 5: weird thing.
Speaker 4: And I understood he wasn't missing an opportunity. He had
Speaker 4: already made the decision that those aren't guys that fit here.
Speaker 1: You know, And I think Aaron Glenn is going to
Speaker 1: be a great leader. But the first question is who's
Speaker 1: your offensive coordinator?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So you know, the Cowboys got criticized in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven because they bout interviewed ten people before they
Speaker 1: settled on Wade Phillip.
Speaker 4: They did what the Chicago Bears did this Right, now.
Speaker 1: They're getting criticized that they only interviewed three people, and
Speaker 1: it's like two of those I guarantee you they were
Speaker 1: fishing for a defensive coordinator because you can interview Salah right,
Speaker 1: and who was the.
Speaker 5: Leslie Fraser?
Speaker 1: You can interview those guys right for a head coaching job,
Speaker 1: but you can also pick their brain about your defense, right,
Speaker 1: So it's not and it's just like now all these
Speaker 1: names are coming out for offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator. Well,
Speaker 1: I think Matt eberflu is going to be the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Whoever's the offense is is going to be the next
Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer because the head coach is going to take
Speaker 1: care of the offense. But while you're interviewing these guys
Speaker 1: for those jobs, because it's an upgrade, you can also
Speaker 1: pick their brain about well, I see you coached wide receivers,
Speaker 1: or I see you coach linebackers, and you can pick
Speaker 1: their brain about that too.
Speaker 5: You're not just.
Speaker 1: Limited to talking about the coordinator job. So there's ways
Speaker 1: around things that people just don't understand well.
Speaker 3: To me, once again, figurehead is one thing, but we
Speaker 3: do have an opportunity to start over in some areas.
Speaker 3: Whoever he hires for to coach the defensive back, to
Speaker 3: replace Al Harris, whoever he has to replace your special
Speaker 3: teams coach, those are the guys that I'm hoping they
Speaker 3: are going to be really fierce coaches that are going
Speaker 3: to bring a type of a culture here. You know
Speaker 3: that's not necessarily better than last year, but it's definitely
Speaker 3: gonna be different. Bring something fresh to the table and
Speaker 3: let us see, you know what it's going to be
Speaker 3: like to have a different energy around here, someone who
Speaker 3: he might be able to communicate better with the DBS
Speaker 3: than Al Harris, he might be a guy that comes
Speaker 3: with something different than.
Speaker 2: Al Harris came with. And I love Al Harris. I
Speaker 2: wish he would have stayed here. But if you're going
Speaker 2: to bring.
Speaker 3: In someone different, then let that man do his job
Speaker 3: and hopefully it can add to something positive and like
Speaker 3: I said, create a different culture around here.
Speaker 5: Sometimes you just need a different voice.
Speaker 1: I remember when Barry Switzer got let go, before it
Speaker 1: even happened, I was walking down the hallway at the
Speaker 1: ranch and I ran into Ernie Zampeazi and he was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: we're all out of here. He goes, We're out of here.
Speaker 1: He goes, you know, he goes, you know, I've been
Speaker 1: doing this here for what was it, four years? And
Speaker 1: he said, sometimes you just need a different voice. And
Speaker 1: he was right, yeah, because they were all hot or
Speaker 1: the majority of course, right, and they brought in you know,
Speaker 1: that's when they brought in chan Gaily. But again, if
Speaker 1: you look at.
Speaker 5: Their history of hiring head coaches.
Speaker 1: The success was always banked on who the offensive.
Speaker 4: Coordinator was, and I think it basically came down to
Speaker 4: whether they were going to hire Brian Schottenheimer or Kellen Moore, right,
Speaker 4: and I think they they did talk with Pete Carroll.
Speaker 4: But what you're looking at there is if they had
Speaker 4: hired Pete Carroll, then Brian Schottenheimer would have been the
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator slash play caller, right, okay, and so but
Speaker 4: I and getting back to Schottenheimer versus Kellen Moore, I
Speaker 4: think the quarterback was a driving force.
Speaker 3: Shot out about it. Yeah, no doubt about that. We
Speaker 3: even talked about it last week. Yeah, yeah, we said
Speaker 3: that that's what he liked, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Not necessarily that he didn't like Kellen Moore, but I
Speaker 4: think he probably preferred Shottenheimer. And then I think from
Speaker 4: the standpoint of the traits you look for in a
Speaker 4: head coach, being able to command a room and so forth.
Speaker 4: Shottenheimer also Phil has that.
Speaker 6: Yes, I've never I believe in talk just hearing I've
Speaker 6: heard him.
Speaker 1: Talk stay for the press, okay, Okay, yeah, he because
Speaker 1: they in.
Speaker 4: Fact, during the season, you know, the coordinators do their
Speaker 4: press conference on Monday of the week, okay, And so
Speaker 4: they shot in the Heimer and Zimmer and Fossil would
Speaker 4: talk to the media and it wasn't You could find it.
Speaker 4: You could find it on Dallas Cowboys dot com or
Speaker 4: YouTube or whatever. But you usually the local TVs and
Speaker 4: radio they're not using those because they use the head coach.
Speaker 4: I would tell her producers at CBS, I would say,
Speaker 4: let's use some Schottenheimer. I love hearing what Schottenheimer has
Speaker 4: to say, and I didn't listen to it very much.
Speaker 4: He's just got it.
Speaker 5: He can command the room.
Speaker 4: He has well. And I did have gone on YouTube
Speaker 4: and seen some of the speeches that the dad made
Speaker 4: and but Shot you could just see hear how sharp
Speaker 4: he is he was, and how well he knew other
Speaker 4: players around them, like the opponents and this guy you know,
Speaker 4: you give up a little nugget about in the background
Speaker 4: on whoever.
Speaker 2: It might be.
Speaker 4: Uh. And so I think he's gonna he probably from
Speaker 4: day one here connected well with Will McLay from a
Speaker 4: scouting standpoint. I think that's a very important thing. But
Speaker 4: it's a very important thing for the head coach to
Speaker 4: be in lockstep with your vice president of player personnel
Speaker 4: and with Stephen Jones. I think both Will and Steven
Speaker 4: they were on team Shotty Uh from the get go
Speaker 4: on this myself, having not talked to either one of
Speaker 4: them about it, but I can see and you can
Speaker 4: see where Schottenheimer developed a very quickly a good relationship
Speaker 4: with Dak Prescott because he has those people's skills. He
Speaker 4: connects with people.
Speaker 3: Well, is there any Is there any chance that Brian
Speaker 3: would hire another assistant, just an assistant head coach.
Speaker 4: There is a chance.
Speaker 2: That's about what I'm hoping, you know, bring some color
Speaker 2: in here.
Speaker 3: I'd love to see Leslie Fraser come in here and
Speaker 3: work with the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: I mean, is there is he thinking.
Speaker 4: About I would think that there will be people along
Speaker 4: those lines. Yeah, all right, and let's get into that
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Speaker 4: All right, we continue with mix shines. We're leading you
Speaker 4: up to the press conference, which you can hear right
Speaker 4: here starting at eleven AM or thereabouts, Brian Schottenheimer, the
Speaker 4: new head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. We were talking
Speaker 4: about the potential makeup of the staff. Mickey's already touched
Speaker 4: upon Matt Eberflus being a candidate and the likely defensive
Speaker 4: coordinator here, and there's been a number of candidates that
Speaker 4: have been mentioned for other positions on the staff and
Speaker 4: Everson throughout who might aston head coach? B And I
Speaker 4: think that here's the deal with Schottenheimer is he's been around.
Speaker 4: I mean, we're talking a guy with twenty five years
Speaker 4: of NFL experience, and he prior to coming here, and
Speaker 4: of course in twenty twenty two, he was an analyst
Speaker 4: here on the defensive side of the football, looking at
Speaker 4: that more so than the offense at that time, because
Speaker 4: that was the year Kellen Moore was the offensive coordinator here.
Speaker 4: Prior to that, he was with Jacksonville for a year,
Speaker 4: hired by Urban Meyer as a pass game coordinator. Prior
Speaker 4: to that, for three years, he was the offensive coordinator
Speaker 4: under Pete Carroll with the Seahawks. He was quarterbacks coach
Speaker 4: at Indianapolis for two years prior to that, for one
Speaker 4: year the Georgia offensive coordinator and who was with the
Speaker 4: Saint Louis Rams for three years as an offensive coordinator
Speaker 4: from twenty twelve to twenty fourteen. They had absolutely no weapons.
Speaker 4: Taevon Austin. Danny Amandola led them in receptions in twenty twelve,
Speaker 4: and Tavon Austin was their first round draft pick, number
Speaker 4: eight overall, and he was probably their best threat offensively.
Speaker 4: Nothing against Tavon Austin, but there were not much in
Speaker 4: the way of weapons there. So there was. Sam Bradford
Speaker 4: was there his first year, got hurt his second year,
Speaker 4: and they had Kellen Clemens, Austin Davis, and Sean Hill
Speaker 4: Hill as his quarterbacks prior to that. Ever since.
Speaker 1: Here, no, I was gonna say because I've.
Speaker 4: The last two we mentioned, Austin Davis and Sean Hill
Speaker 4: were undrafted quarterbacks, and.
Speaker 1: I've made a list of the quarterbacks he got to
Speaker 1: deal with when he's been an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4: And prior to that, he got Mark Sanchez and the
Speaker 4: Jets to the AFC Championship.
Speaker 1: As a rookie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in two thousand and nine, they led the league
Speaker 4: in rushing.
Speaker 1: And they went to the AFC title game twice during
Speaker 1: his time there.
Speaker 4: But my point on mentioning all of that is the
Speaker 4: fact and then he coached with his dad prior to
Speaker 4: that with the Chargers and going back to when he
Speaker 4: got out of college at Florida where he's the backup
Speaker 4: quarterback on a national championship team in nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 4: he coached with his dad in Kansas City, I think
Speaker 4: Green Bay maybe for one year. But anyway, all of
Speaker 4: that to say, he's got a lot of connections around
Speaker 4: the league and so it'll be interesting to see And
Speaker 4: a lot of that has to do with availability though too,
Speaker 4: and so.
Speaker 1: Man, there's a lot of guys availabile available availability.
Speaker 4: Because you have seven all these coaching changes.
Speaker 1: So Staff's got basically, you know, tore up. Well, here's
Speaker 1: the list of his quarterbacks he's had, starting with the
Speaker 1: Jets Okay in six, Chad Pennington for two years, Brett
Speaker 1: Favre at the end of his career two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: and then Bill mentioned Mark Sanchez as a rookie. They
Speaker 1: started a raw rookie in two thousand and nine. They
Speaker 1: went to the AFC title game with a rookie. Then
Speaker 1: he mentioned the Rams, Sam Bradford for one year. Sam
Speaker 1: Bradford gets hurt, gets hurt again, and then it was
Speaker 1: Kellen Clemens, Austin Davis, and Sean Hill.
Speaker 5: He goes to Seattle and he gets Russell.
Speaker 1: Wilson, and if I got my notes right, that season
Speaker 1: with twenty twenty with Seattle, they scored a club record
Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty nine points. Russell Wilson had forty
Speaker 1: touchdowns passing that year, and they averaged twenty eight point
Speaker 1: seven points a game. After that, he ended up as
Speaker 1: the past game coordinator in Jacksonville with a rookie quarterback
Speaker 1: who started maybe before he was ready, Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 5: So again, well and that what happened with urban Meyer
Speaker 5: that year?
Speaker 4: I mean that Yeah, it was down though too.
Speaker 1: I mean he had to work for two different head
Speaker 1: coaches at that time. So it's not like he's had
Speaker 1: who's who of quarterbacks to deal with during his career.
Speaker 1: Because a lot of people say, well, he's had all
Speaker 1: these coordinator jobs.
Speaker 5: What did he do well? Okay, but who did he
Speaker 5: have right?
Speaker 4: Well? And here's one thing they got a voice to
Speaker 4: me last night, Well, how is anything going to be
Speaker 4: different when you've got the same guy that was on
Speaker 4: the staff with Mike McCarthy. How are things going to
Speaker 4: be different than when Mike McCarthy was here, And.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask that same question.
Speaker 1: Sounds like he had some ideas.
Speaker 4: We just we just went through the entire coaching staff
Speaker 4: and how many coaches are going to stick around?
Speaker 5: Maybe one or two?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, and how many people? How many coaches are
Speaker 4: on a coaching staff, like twenty, yes, so we're talking
Speaker 4: virtually the entire coaching staff is going to be different.
Speaker 4: That's how things are going to be different. And just
Speaker 4: because Brian Schottenheimer was the offensive coordinator doesn't mean he's
Speaker 4: going to call the plays like Mike McCarthy called the place.
Speaker 3: That's what I was saying earlier. I don't really care
Speaker 3: who the head coach is. I want to see what
Speaker 3: these guys down here are going to do. This is
Speaker 3: what a coach has created down here. Of course, the
Speaker 3: coach can talk all he wants, The head coach can
Speaker 3: talk all he wants, but if his assistant coaches in
Speaker 3: on the same type of feelings in the same type
Speaker 3: of direction, then you're wasting your time.
Speaker 4: In this quarter. And this coach has a jump start
Speaker 4: on any coach you brought in here, because he's been
Speaker 4: here for three years. He knows how it works here
Speaker 4: behind the scenes, and he knows the ross or backwards
Speaker 4: and forwards and uh.
Speaker 3: And he is bringing in uh, how do you say
Speaker 3: his name? Uh, the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: Matt Eberflees, and he is he is a lot, he's
Speaker 2: on a lot. He's going to be here.
Speaker 1: Well it's not official official, but they're going to talk
Speaker 1: to him about it.
Speaker 3: With somebody like that has a hell of a defense
Speaker 3: And here's another guy.
Speaker 1: Wasn't his problem as the head coach?
Speaker 2: No, it was not.
Speaker 4: And we've seen countless times where very good coordinators haven't
Speaker 4: turned out to be very good head coaching. And we'll
Speaker 4: see what happens with Schottenneimer here. But he does have
Speaker 4: the traits and.
Speaker 1: Or very good head coaches didn't turn into head coaches
Speaker 1: until they had a really good offensive coordinator.
Speaker 5: Nor turner. Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 1: You saw what you went through.
Speaker 2: With Dave Shula.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that wasn't my fault. He snitched on me, so
Speaker 3: he snitched on me to Daddy.
Speaker 2: So no.
Speaker 3: So, But truly, the culture can be created on different levels,
Speaker 3: and that's what I want around. It is something different
Speaker 3: to where when we go into a game, we're not
Speaker 3: thinking completely thinking offense. When we go into a game,
Speaker 3: I want us to be known here comes the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: and boy, their defense is a hell of a defense.
Speaker 3: That's what I want people to think when they think
Speaker 3: about us. Yes, we got offense, easy to sign. It's
Speaker 3: easy to notice on offense what's out there. But when
Speaker 3: you start talking about defense, you've got.
Speaker 2: Some very.
Speaker 3: How can I put it underrated ways or hidden ways
Speaker 3: where you can have a good defense without it having
Speaker 3: to be so overblown. It can be a culture that's like,
Speaker 3: you know, part of this entire building, without you having
Speaker 3: to go out and have superstars necessarily on at every position.
Speaker 4: By the way, as far as ibra Flus is concerned,
Speaker 4: he was the linebackers coach here from twenty eleven to
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen. Sewn Lee was the linebacker.
Speaker 3: And then he boy, I haven't drooling like that in
Speaker 3: a long time.
Speaker 4: Then twenty sixteen and seventeen he added the title passing
Speaker 4: game coordinator to his title. And I just know, and
Speaker 4: Mickey knows from experience here, Yeah, Rod Marinelli was the
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator and even Prior to that, you had Rob
Speaker 4: Ryan here. Ibra Flus had a major role in what
Speaker 4: was going on defensively, even when he was just a
Speaker 4: position coach.
Speaker 5: I think he might have come here with.
Speaker 4: Rob Ryan. Yeah, twenty eleven. That makes sense.
Speaker 5: Because he was in Cleveland when Rob why.
Speaker 4: That's track was in that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And Jason Garrett's first year as the head coach was
Speaker 4: twenty eleven and that's when heber flew his ulti year.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, because prior to that he was defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: University of Missouri.
Speaker 4: By the way, Okay, seven and eight, and by the way,
Speaker 4: those were really good years at Missouri, made it all
Speaker 4: the way to the Big twelve championship game. Who'd they
Speaker 4: play this?
Speaker 1: Unfortunately they ran in Oklahoma twice.
Speaker 2: I didn't even have to know that. I knew.
Speaker 3: You didn't even have to say I knew that's what
Speaker 3: The only reason he brought that up was simply because
Speaker 3: of that Oklahoma reference.
Speaker 4: So what are you thinking, Mickey?
Speaker 1: So getting him as the defensive coordinator and obviously he
Speaker 1: knows people, and they're already talking to some people and
Speaker 1: I see all this stuff. That's like they're bringing in
Speaker 1: this guy as a coordinator. They're not going to name
Speaker 1: them the coordinator, but they may name them a position coach.
Speaker 1: And I think a different voice sometimes. I think nothing
Speaker 1: against Dan Quinn with Michael Parsons, but I think he
Speaker 1: took another step working with Mike Zimmer. It was a
Speaker 1: different voice and and and sometimes that that helps. And
Speaker 1: maybe in the secondary, you know, whoever they bring in
Speaker 1: to do that, that a different voice may help these guys.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can get Trayvon Diggs two when he's on
Speaker 1: the team and you're going through warm ups, the stretch
Speaker 1: and whatever, that he might do it with the rest
Speaker 1: of the team instead of over to the side by
Speaker 1: himself with Parsons like their own little group there. Maybe
Speaker 1: another voice comes in and goes, hey, no, that's not
Speaker 1: the way I do things. And sometimes that that's what
Speaker 1: you need.
Speaker 3: And it depends sometimes it just depends on who that
Speaker 3: word comes from, right, that might be It might it
Speaker 3: might be a guy who means well, and I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna pick Harris.
Speaker 2: Let's say Harris means well.
Speaker 3: We know he's a great coach, but let's just say
Speaker 3: his words fell deaf on certain player's ears. Well, then
Speaker 3: this other uh person in the same this other coach
Speaker 3: in the same position. His way of saying it, it
Speaker 3: might appeal to the players better. And yeah, I know
Speaker 3: that sounds a little prima donash right, Well, I didn't
Speaker 3: like the way that sounded.
Speaker 2: But sometimes you just.
Speaker 3: Uh gravitate towards other people for no particular reason, just
Speaker 3: by by the way his demeanor is.
Speaker 1: And think about this. Think about when you were young
Speaker 1: and whatever, you were playing whatever level, and you had
Speaker 1: played for this guy. Yeah, and then the new coach
Speaker 1: came in. You got your ass and gear right because
Speaker 1: you wanted to prove yourself to the new guy that.
Speaker 5: Hey, I'm I'm worth it, right, And you might have tried.
Speaker 3: But it's easier if that new guy comes in and
Speaker 3: says something that clicks.
Speaker 5: And you hear right, and and you know what you like?
Speaker 1: He knows, Yes, had a new coach come in.
Speaker 3: And to go, that's not what you want. You want
Speaker 3: the other side of that, and that can't happen. It
Speaker 3: has happened to me, It's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: I heard.
Speaker 3: I can't ever think of his name. The coach for
Speaker 3: Atlanta Falcons, head coach Atlanta.
Speaker 4: Falcons right now, Raheem Morris, yeah, Raheem Morris.
Speaker 3: I was there in Tampa and I heard how Raheem
Speaker 3: Morris spoke to his defensive back group, which is a
Speaker 3: great group. You had, Uh the guy from Bergner a
Speaker 3: Khalid you had?
Speaker 2: You had?
Speaker 3: Was it a god? Was it one of the brothers
Speaker 3: who was one of the safeties out there? The dbs
Speaker 3: were very good there as a group. And the way
Speaker 3: he taught those.
Speaker 4: Guys a lot of brothers playing safety.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why they're good there. But I havn't said that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you had players on that squad. The way he spoke
Speaker 3: to them, I just sat in on the meeting and
Speaker 3: the way he spoke to the terminology that he used,
Speaker 3: the way he connected with him, It's like they were
Speaker 3: all connected on the.
Speaker 2: Same string in the same room. That's coaching. To me.
Speaker 3: He had that presence in that locker room, in that
Speaker 3: meeting room, and I was just sitting back because they
Speaker 3: allowed me to come into listen to his game plan
Speaker 3: and to me the way he said things, it made
Speaker 3: me visualize what I needed to do before I actually
Speaker 3: did it.
Speaker 4: That's great that you mentioned it, Rahie Morris, because I
Speaker 4: randomly during the season when I went behind enemy Lines.
Speaker 4: Listening to Atlanta the week of the Atlanta again, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I'm listening to Raheem Morris would come on a
Speaker 4: local radio station and he was great talking and and
Speaker 4: Schottenheimer's got that same ability and shot. It comes so naturally.
Speaker 4: That's I'm excited about if I get the opportunity to
Speaker 4: host the Brian Schottenheimer Show.
Speaker 1: I don't I won't even have to prepare for that.
Speaker 1: I just throw.
Speaker 4: A popping out there and you'll just run with it.
Speaker 2: But to make up.
Speaker 4: But it's that ability to communicate.
Speaker 3: It's the verbiage, know exactly how to use those words
Speaker 3: to where mentally you can see exactly what they're talking.
Speaker 4: Why Raheem Morris was targeted early that this guy is
Speaker 4: going to be a head coach in this league.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget.
Speaker 3: I've sat there, and I've been in the meeting rooms
Speaker 3: with some hell of the coaches, and the way he
Speaker 3: just this is the way he verbalized everything's like that.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, my Tomas the same type of thing.
Speaker 3: I sat there and I went the way he said that.
Speaker 3: It made me think I can go out and do
Speaker 3: that drill right now. But I'm forty five years old. Right, So,
Speaker 3: but that's what he made you feel, I said, in
Speaker 3: my mind, I'm thinking that's exactly how I would have
Speaker 3: tried to explain that to another defensive bag group.
Speaker 1: And I'll guarantee you that for this press conference today,
Speaker 1: Schottenheimer will be pre prepared for whatever gets thrown at him,
Speaker 1: because some of it's not gonna be friendly. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be some some unfriendly fire.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, first of all, you know what's gonna be
Speaker 3: the number one thing? How are you gonna run this team?
Speaker 3: If you got your owner always over your shoulder, that's
Speaker 3: gonna be. It'll that's gonna be. That's why you.
Speaker 5: Interviewed for a head coaching job. Things like that. He'll
Speaker 5: be prepared.
Speaker 1: I'll go out on a limb right now and say
Speaker 1: he'll have answers for everything comes his way.
Speaker 2: All right, my man, I have to go prepared.
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Speaker 1: So did you catch Madison Keys winning the Australian Open?
Speaker 2: And it's about time. Boy, she's been struggling for years.
Speaker 1: I know it was a It was a pretty neat
Speaker 1: thing to see, especially figuring out who she beat, because
Speaker 1: that girl not only is she good, she's huge and
Speaker 1: took her down.
Speaker 3: Well, Madison's I've always I've watched her since she came
Speaker 3: into UH to the pros, and it's all the problem
Speaker 3: with her has always been a footwork. It's a little
Speaker 3: bit slow. Yeah, she's just a little bit slow, but
Speaker 3: her power is there. Boy, the accuracy is there.
Speaker 5: She didn't hold back, she went after it. I enjoyed watching.
Speaker 3: I wonder if that's gonna end up being a catapult
Speaker 3: for her. Yeah she should. She should be doing better
Speaker 3: than she's doing than she did.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well that's coming up soon. East West Shrine Games
Speaker 1: Week Thursday at at and T Stadium. They're already practicing
Speaker 1: out at North Texas and we kind of skipped right
Speaker 1: over the conference championship games.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I had the bills.
Speaker 3: Thought I thought they were I thought this was the
Speaker 3: time that he was gonna do it.
Speaker 1: So do you think they got jobbed on the fourth
Speaker 1: and one?
Speaker 2: I think, how can I put this?
Speaker 1: It's like everybody that watched it on TV thought he
Speaker 1: had the first down Allen when the quarterback sneak.
Speaker 2: We never saw a good angle from the camera, I know.
Speaker 1: I mean I wanted to see the angle from the
Speaker 1: guy that spotted it as a first.
Speaker 2: I wanted to see if we could see the ball.
Speaker 2: I wanted to.
Speaker 3: See Josh front side, a better shot of him front
Speaker 3: side so I could see where the ball was, because
Speaker 3: once he turned, it compromised everything in regards to what
Speaker 3: the referees and what you.
Speaker 2: Called that gave him.
Speaker 3: That opened the door for the referees to kind of
Speaker 3: screw it up a little bit because he didn't really
Speaker 3: if I think if he stay forward and just done
Speaker 3: what he always did and just you know, put it
Speaker 3: over there. But Casey was ready for that every time.
Speaker 3: And I gotta give Chris Jones man some love this guy.
Speaker 3: First of all, you see him, he was crying there.
Speaker 1: The entire he was crying a national answer.
Speaker 2: I think he cried the entire game.
Speaker 3: But what you saw was even though the stats didn't
Speaker 3: show it all for him.
Speaker 2: I think they had him with like two tackles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that did not depict how instrumental he
Speaker 3: was in controlling that line of scrimmage for the Kansas
Speaker 3: City Chiefs. Because even though they were pretty successful over
Speaker 3: fifty percent on the tush push and all that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff, those key moments such as the fourth down,
Speaker 3: it's when he really showed what the leader he is, man.
Speaker 2: I mean, where is his flowers?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What is his follower?
Speaker 3: Absolutely everyone's talking about Mahomes And we saw Kelsey off
Speaker 3: the interview and Taylor smith Man, where is Chris.
Speaker 2: Jones talked to that man?
Speaker 3: Been on the stage man, I mean the emotions that
Speaker 3: he had, it all added to uh, you know, positivity,
Speaker 3: It added to production.
Speaker 2: It made him a better player that day.
Speaker 1: They even had Cousins spags on. I didn't talk to him,
Speaker 1: you know. And and Romo pointed out, I can't remember.
Speaker 1: It was the first time they were at the goal
Speaker 1: line and they were going to run the quarterback sneak
Speaker 1: and he said that Alan generally doesn't go up the middle.
Speaker 1: He goes over left guard, and I'll be darned if
Speaker 1: that's not where.
Speaker 2: Twice and they would they they knew it. And that's
Speaker 2: what he pointed out.
Speaker 3: Casey knows this as well, right, because they were ready
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 2: Once again, they were like six for nine on that.
Speaker 3: But it was the ones that they didn't convert is
Speaker 3: what hurt the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 5: Did the Eagles surprise you?
Speaker 3: No, they played just when you look, when you look
Speaker 3: at the Cowboys season, as bad as it was, we
Speaker 3: were in pretty much every game except.
Speaker 2: For two, that's right, those were the ones. Those Eagles games.
Speaker 1: They almost beat the Commanders twice, right, beat them once
Speaker 1: and had the lead nineteen what was it, sixteen?
Speaker 3: And here comes here comes the Commander magic out of
Speaker 3: no where. Somebody screws up and next thing you know,
Speaker 3: they sneak out the wind.
Speaker 1: Well, nothing against dan Quinn because he did a hell
Speaker 1: of a job, but you can't give up two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty nine yards, right and you Kevin touchdown.
Speaker 3: You can't have your offense fumbling the ball three or
Speaker 3: four times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know that that's on him, but
Speaker 1: to lose four, no.
Speaker 2: That is not on him. But that's where he had
Speaker 2: to overcome, right, Yeah, And.
Speaker 1: When you give up that many was keeping notes, right,
Speaker 1: Barkley had two touches for two touchdowns and it's.
Speaker 5: Fourteen to three.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Uh, pretty good super Bowl coming up in
Speaker 1: New Orleans.
Speaker 5: You got anything to do there?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 5: I gotta carry your.
Speaker 2: Pass me where all the big parties follow.
Speaker 1: All right, well, we gotta get ready to get you
Speaker 1: a hand off to the press conference. Cowboys announcing today.
Speaker 1: Press conference posts a scheduled start at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 5: Brian Shott and Himer.
Speaker 1: As the cowboys tenth head coach in the franchise history,
Speaker 1: thanks to Bill Everson Mickey, and we'll be back with
Speaker 1: Mick shots next Mondays.
Speaker 2: See you then, Oh Cowboys.
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