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Speaker 2: You know all right, I've never read a resume like

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Speaker 1: This is the truth, because I just love the game.

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Speaker 1: to see what we can do to improve their ability.

436
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,239
Speaker 1: But they're humans, right, they make They're going to make

437
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 1: an error.

438
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 2: So do they get penalized for things? You need to

439
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 2: literally that's a question. But go to what we were

440
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,080
Speaker 2: not going to talk about to him and you I

441
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 2: have to ask this question. Okay, I'll pivot back to that.

442
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 2: So the show is the NFL Player's Second Act podcast, right, So,

443
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 2: and eventually you hurt your knee or you got injured

444
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 2: your second i'm sorry, your freshman year. How was that

445
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: experience for you when you had that injury? What were

446
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 2: you feeling? And then not only after that, like how

447
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: did you transition into your second act?

448
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 1: So when I had that injury, it was nineteen seventy

449
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: seven spring before I went to college. Pit him just

450
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: won the national championship with Johnny Majors, but he retired.

451
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 1: Jackie Cheryl came over. So I had talked to Jackie

452
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: Cheryl a lot about coming.

453
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 2: To pitt.

454
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 1: Arthur scopic surgery was just coming out. Literally it was

455
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 1: I think it was on the cover Sports Illustrated Area.

456
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 1: I just wasn't I didn't trust it yet, honestly, and

457
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 1: I just said to myself at that time, I I

458
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: think I want to go a different path, and maybe

459
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 1: this happened for a reason, and I wanted to go.

460
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:07,479
Speaker 2: I wasn't a great student.

461
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: I'll just be honest with you.

462
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 2: I was.

463
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: That was not my highlight and throughout my spades. Huh,

464
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: you fooled me. No, I was.

465
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: I didn't know. No, I did. I did.

466
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: I did well in college because I had to. I

467
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: had to, Like I never use that old thing he

468
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: didn't apply himself. I didn't apply myself. But I had

469
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: four brothers. I'm one of five boys in seven years,

470
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 1: and they were all smart, and they were all, you know,

471
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: going to great college, and you know, I was thinking

472
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: about playing football, and you know, I just felt like

473
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: I needed to sort of apply myself and sort of

474
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: set buckle down and say, you know what, you got

475
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: to prove yourself in the classroom. And I really did

476
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: feel strongly about pursuing career in the NFL. I just

477
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 1: I felt something about the commissioner's role and the importance

478
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: of it and what petersll and how he did it,

479
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: and that was always a dream of mine. I think

480
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: saying you're going to be commissioned when there's I think

481
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: it's been eight of us since the start of the lead,

482
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: so there's been three of us since nineteen sixty.

483
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, So were there any struggles though? I know you

484
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: see and there's the statistics to show that when a

485
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: lot of us retire, there's a phase where we have

486
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: like a struggle period or there's a a transition, a

487
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: transitional period. Was that was your Did you have a

488
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: smooth transition after you got Ranger?

489
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: Well? I went to college close to the pitt. I

490
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: was Washington. Jefferson is about an hour south of there.

491
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: I missed the game a lot, right, and it was

492
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: it was hard, but I was trying so hard to

493
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: be a student and all I did was study. Yeah,

494
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: and I just felt like I needed to do that.

495
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: I thought about coming back and playing at w J

496
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 1: for sophomore junior year, and I just felt like, you

497
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: know what, it's passed. I got to go forward and

498
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: I just kept moving I do think life is about transitions,

499
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: and I think that's true for whether you're transitioning into

500
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: the game, out of the game, into a new career.

501
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: I think, you know, you always have to be looking

502
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: forward and planning for that. You're a great example of that.

503
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: You are always talking about what you're going to do

504
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: when the game is over, right, and that's you know,

505
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: you have to start thinking about that. And it's hard

506
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: for We talk about the morning of the draft with

507
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: all the draft eligible players that come in and we

508
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 1: talk about that, and it's hard. They haven't even drafted

509
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: yet and we're sitting there talking about you know, think

510
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: about it, right, You got to you got to think

511
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: about you know, off the field. You got to think

512
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: about how you transition, how you continue to look at

513
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: what you're going to do beyond your playing day. Hard

514
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: for a young man at that stage to think about that.

515
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and we'll be

516
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: right back, all right.

517
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: So this is a personal question, and Thomas probably looking

518
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 3: me crazy because I'm going to ask you, all right,

519
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 3: if you you just said it's you and it's eight

520
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 3: commissioners all time.

521
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: I think that's what.

522
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: You guys all in the in the you close the

523
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: door behind you. Who's walking out? You look like Steve Jobs.

524
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: A ka Batman? Like, who's walking out? Everybody's in the

525
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 2: best shape. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't

526
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: know who has some size? I think size I think

527
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: I can take. I think I can take tags.

528
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: But see I didn't the only other two commissions Pete

529
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: and Paul that I knew. I think I could get

530
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: them both.

531
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: There you go. I think I think you can take

532
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 2: Adam Silver to I think I think you got Adam

533
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: Silver too. You got some size. I think I can

534
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,719
Speaker 2: get them. So yeah, I feel good about that.

535
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: I know this much. I won't lose because I didn't

536
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: try hard. If I lose.

537
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: He like it, you know what I mean.

538
00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't like to lose.

539
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 3: How do you think the league is doing and providing

540
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: support for its former players. I know it's been a

541
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 3: big shift in that under your watch. It's been a

542
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 3: lot of whether it's you know, negotiations, whatever it is.

543
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: I've seen a big.

544
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: Change from when I was playing to what the players

545
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 3: complained about to where it is now post career. I

546
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: think you guys are doing an awesome job. I mean,

547
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 3: it's more things available now for former players than it's

548
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: ever been at any point in time for former players

549
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: and will and.

550
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: How has that been under your watch? And then how

551
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: did you.

552
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: Guys continue to push it further and continue to let

553
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 3: that grow.

554
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you saying it, because it has been

555
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: a lot of work by current players, the union or

556
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: ownership and former players. You know, I met before we

557
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: did our last collective bring with I think it was

558
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: twenty gold jackets and went to Campton just to talk

559
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: about that issue of the priorities. What are the issues?

560
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: Pretty much pension was the number one priority. That was universal.

561
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: Everyone had a two, three, and four, and sometimes they

562
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: were different and we tried to address those. But again

563
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: it goes to the point of recognizing that those former players,

564
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, they helped build what we're all sharing, no doubt,

565
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: and everybody's going to be a former player. If you

566
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: and I said that in many of the negotiations, all

567
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: of you have that in common. You will be a

568
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: former player one day, and it's really important for us

569
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: to provide the opportunities. To the point you were talking

570
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: about before, for a transition, how how to make that

571
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: transition successfully? Financial is part of it. But as you know,

572
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: most of the foreigner players I talked to, and I

573
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: talked to a lot, they say, it's not really the money,

574
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: it's not really the fame. It's that locker room, it's

575
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: that support, right, you know, you don't have that structure

576
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: as much.

577
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: Well, I've never been to a doctor like until.

578
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: You didn't have to.

579
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you have plenty of medical right, right, all

580
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 4: these things, all of that, and I think, and particularly

581
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 4: when that's put off for so long, right, our kids

582
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 4: are going through that now, transitioning out of college.

583
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: I think it's a you know, they're having to learn

584
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: that right now. You guys didn't have to worry about

585
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: that until you were over thirty thirty five. And so

586
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: I think all of us focus on trying to provide

587
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: the benefits. We've expanded the benefits. One of the challenges,

588
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: honestly is making sure that the former players can access those.

589
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: There's so many programs it becomes overwhelming, and trying to

590
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: get them to understand where you access.

591
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: Right, having everything in one spot exactly socially located so

592
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: you can get to it right.

593
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 1: And you know, there are different laws from different states

594
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: too that you know you have to you have to

595
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: figure but it's also just trying to keep them part

596
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: of the game ultimately, you know, we really push for

597
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: teams that have stronger homecoming weekends, alumni weekends, and have

598
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: a better relationship. Free agencies made that a little harder

599
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: because but I just think it's really important for us

600
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: to make sure we recognize the importance of what they

601
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: do and we assist. And then you have one other

602
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: issue that you guys know, a lot of our former

603
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: players are incredibly proud and don't want to ask for help.

604
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: And I would agree with you. I think it's how

605
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: we're built is you're absolutely I think from the time

606
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: you're a young child, it's you get injured, but it's

607
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: like good, Okay, get back in here and go. It's

608
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: good to a certain point, good to an extent, but

609
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: at some point you have to pay commission. I need

610
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: some help. I've been struggling, particularly mental health.

611
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing more and more in that area, and

612
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: I think that's with active players, with all our personnel.

613
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: I think we've you know, we have done such a

614
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: great job on what we call fit health, if you

615
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: want to look at it that way. I think the

616
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: care in the NFL is better than it's ever been,

617
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: and I think it's extraordinary. But I think the mental

618
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: health is something that we all got to continue to

619
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: focus on and try to to help players do that

620
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: and give them the door walk through to sort of

621
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: say I need assistance. Yeah, we all do at times.

622
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's not a weakness. And I think

623
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: the macho part of it.

624
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: Is hard, right, right, right?

625
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: And does that mean he's weak? Does that mean he's

626
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: not going to show up in the fourth quarter? I

627
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: think we were changing the culture on that. That doesn't

628
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: That's not a weakness, right, It's actually a strength strength

629
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: most I think it's super important and I don't want

630
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: to cut you off, Panut, but you know, I think

631
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: the most important call I've had in this twenty twenty

632
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: four years to call the benefics department.

633
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 3: And say I want to go see counseling, just to

634
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 3: see I'm not crazy, you know, like I'm not that

635
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: thrown off.

636
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: I do. Just want to talk to somebody else. And

637
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: I think that is okay, healthy is what you call me?

638
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: Picked up, But you're not.

639
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: Going to tell me what I need to hear, right,

640
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: It's like you can tell me what I want to hear,

641
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 3: and it's really important to Sometimes the most important conversation

642
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: you have is the one you have with yourself, absolutely right,

643
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: and so understanding that having some self realization, I think

644
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: that's real. I appreciate you understanding that, especially for us players,

645
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: how important that is and making sure that the people

646
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: on top know that, hey, we need to allow these

647
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: guys to assess this to be a part of their lives.

648
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: Well, you know how much I respect I have for

649
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: our place, the things that are some of our players

650
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: have overcome in their life and the journeys that they've

651
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: been on.

652
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: I think it's one of the things.

653
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: That are so great about the draft is because they

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Speaker 1: get to know these players as young men and their

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Speaker 1: journey and how they got to where they are, and

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Speaker 1: some of the stories are they're inspiring, their difficult, but

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Speaker 1: they just look at these young men and you sort

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Speaker 1: of say they're extraordinary, not just athletes, they're extraordinaries people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think people I think people forget that because

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Speaker 1: you know, you're wearing the helmets and they're thinking about

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Speaker 1: that's a player, that's a person number one, And they're

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Speaker 1: great young men and I couldn't be prouder of them.

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Speaker 2: So I got a fun question for you. Forty two

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Speaker 2: years you've been playing or excuse me not playing, you've

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Speaker 2: been in the forty two right, So forty two mault

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Speaker 2: rushmore of all the people that have helped you get

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Speaker 2: to where you are in life right now? Those four people,

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Speaker 2: who would they be?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 2: That's hard.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it always starts with family to me.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been so blessed with a great family.

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Speaker 1: My parents were great. I lost them very young, but

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Speaker 1: I have four brothers still and we're all really close.

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Speaker 1: I have a great wife who understands what I do.

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Speaker 1: And my twin daughters.

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Speaker 2: That's two too. You're putting those categories. The wife is

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Speaker 2: to so you get to.

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Speaker 1: Know what I better put my wife first, for the record,

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Speaker 1: Put my wife first. I got to, I think, professionally,

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Speaker 1: the number of people who gave me opportunities to shine.

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Speaker 1: Pete Roselle, who gave me a chance to come into

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Speaker 1: the NFL, people who are my supervisors, Pete Abbottainting worked

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Speaker 1: with me. Pete was my first supervisor when I walked

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Speaker 1: in the door. Uh. So many people that were just

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Speaker 1: supportive and gave me the opportunity to try to do something,

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Speaker 1: and then I would put all those mentors are outside.

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Speaker 1: Believe I have. I have so many mentors. I'm a

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Speaker 1: huge mentor and believe in that we all need that,

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Speaker 1: we all need someone to sort of support us, sometimes

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Speaker 1: tell us what we don't want to hear, sometimes just to.

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Speaker 2: Be an ear.

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Speaker 1: But I I think mentorship is really important. And am

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Speaker 1: I literally at hundreds and there from every different world

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Speaker 1: you could imagine. And I think that's important because it's perspective.

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Speaker 1: People talk about diversity, and I always talk about diversity

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Speaker 1: and diversity of experiences and thought and perspective, and that's

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Speaker 1: that's what I that's what I really a treasure in

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Speaker 1: this job. You have a lot of information if you

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Speaker 1: have to balance, but you better understand all the perspectives

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Speaker 1: before you make a decision.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate that perspective. So Rome, we don't have any more

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Speaker 2: sign we got a new finish, a thousand US.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to, yes, go, I'm going to I want

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Speaker 3: to know your top four players of all time?

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Speaker 2: It's on your mind, four players all time? Peter Roman,

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Speaker 2: take that?

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Speaker 1: I you know what again, I've just met so many

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Speaker 1: Grays players and so many just great people.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't never pick for okay, I couldn't. I couldn't

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Speaker 2: Is super Bowl your assistant, She's trying to get you

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