WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: See Clearly Now

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, get everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading the Bengals Booth Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>The I can see clearly now. Addition, as I discuss

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<v Speaker 2>free agency, the draft, and the salary cap with a

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<v Speaker 2>well known football analyst among Bengals fans, Bengals on the

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<v Speaker 2>Brain host Joe Goodberry. Plus with the scouting Combine coming

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<v Speaker 2>up next week in Indianapolis, we'll hear from the NFL

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<v Speaker 2>Network's Daniel Jeremiah on the player he has Cincinnati selecting

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<v Speaker 2>in the first round in his latest mock draft.

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<v Speaker 2>Now let's get to football. If you're a big Bengals fan,

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<v Speaker 2>you're probably familiar with Joe Goodberry. He's been cranking out

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<v Speaker 2>great Bengals content for more than a decade, and his

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<v Speaker 2>film breakdowns and player evaluations are exceptional. Joe is currently

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<v Speaker 2>part of the first Star Logistics media group and you

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<v Speaker 2>can find his Bengals on the Brain videos on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also a great Twitter follow at Joe Goodbarry. We

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<v Speaker 2>spoke this week about what Joe calls the most important

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<v Speaker 2>off season in Bengals history. Joe, you've done some recent

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<v Speaker 2>videos on your YouTube channel where you did a free

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<v Speaker 2>agency simulation and a draft simulation. Your highest priced free

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<v Speaker 2>agent acquisition was an interior defensive lineman, Justin Mattabik of

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<v Speaker 2>the Ravens. Your top two draft picks were interior defensive

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<v Speaker 2>lineman Johnny Newton of Illinois in the first round and

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<v Speaker 2>mammoth to Andre Sweat of Texas in the second round.

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<v Speaker 2>So this would suggest did you consider upgrading the interior

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<v Speaker 2>defensive line to be a huge priority for the Bengals

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<v Speaker 2>this offseason. I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the most we can take from that

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<v Speaker 1>exercises that I really felt they wanted to or we

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<v Speaker 1>should add a defensive tackle or two or three to

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<v Speaker 1>that room. Yeah, I didn't plan on going so heavy

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<v Speaker 1>at defensive tackle. When I saw Justin Mattabakay was out

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<v Speaker 1>there that the Ravens did not tag him, and I

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<v Speaker 1>let it go a couple of days because I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think the Bengals would. I tried to operate as the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals there, but I didn't think they would throw huge

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<v Speaker 1>money at him, and when he was still there after

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<v Speaker 1>a week, similar to the Orlando Brown junior situation last year,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, Okay, let's run the simulation, let's throw some

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<v Speaker 1>money at him, and we got him and I today

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<v Speaker 1>I ran on ESPN two also that justin Matta Bikay,

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<v Speaker 1>they listed the best fit would be the Bengals, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, sign me up for that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that we loved pre draft as well in

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<v Speaker 1>our process and thought he'd be a future all Pro player,

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<v Speaker 1>and here he is on the cusp of stardom. I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's well worth that money. And then you get

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<v Speaker 1>to the draft. And that's the thing, like everyone wants

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<v Speaker 1>to either do the free agent simulators or they do

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<v Speaker 1>the draft simulators, and they don't put the two together.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was my idea. There's, hey, you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>do both. Here. One comes before the other for a

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<v Speaker 1>reason because it affects how you draft. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>get there, and I believe Johnny Newton is worth a

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<v Speaker 1>top ten pick in every draft. I think everything from

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<v Speaker 1>the film to the data to the projection of the

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<v Speaker 1>everything I look at for draft analysis has this guy

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<v Speaker 1>is an future All Pro type of player, And so

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<v Speaker 1>how do I deny that? How do I turn down

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<v Speaker 1>a guy like that? That was clearly the last one

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<v Speaker 1>I felt was the blue chip player remaining on the board.

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<v Speaker 1>And hey, so we go back to back defensive tackle

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<v Speaker 1>with our highest offseason resource and then come back in

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<v Speaker 1>round two and Tomordray Sweat is just a different guy

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<v Speaker 1>than those two. He has a nose tackle and a

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<v Speaker 1>big body and they need that. So yeah, that's how

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<v Speaker 1>it played out. And you know, I'm not ashamed to

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<v Speaker 1>say that they need defensive tackle and I feel that

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<v Speaker 1>and fixed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's talk about the free agency market at that position,

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<v Speaker 2>because there are some very familiar names. Obviously, Chris Jones

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<v Speaker 2>gets thrown out there. I don't see it. He's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the highest paid defensive tackle in the league

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<v Speaker 2>probably when this is all said and done. But then

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<v Speaker 2>you see guys like Mattabique, Leonard Williams, Christian Wilkins, Sheldon Rankins,

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<v Speaker 2>there are others. Now by the time free agency rolls around,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe some of those guys aren't there anymore. But do

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<v Speaker 2>you favor spending a big chunk of your free agency

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<v Speaker 2>budget on a guy like that or would you prefer

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<v Speaker 2>multiple tier two tier three type guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I usually lean towards the multiple tier two, three and

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<v Speaker 1>even fours. In past years, it's worked for the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 1>They identified the correct players in the majority of time.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there has been a Trey Wayne sprinkling in there.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you get at Chobo Luzia and a Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Hilton and a von Bell, I mean, it outweighs the

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<v Speaker 1>one miss you'll have swimming in the tier three range.

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<v Speaker 1>It's best to do that because if you go for

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<v Speaker 1>a big free agent and let's say he gets hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, nobody wants that, but it happens, and you

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<v Speaker 1>have fifteen million dollars in cap space tied into that

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<v Speaker 1>player when you could have potentially three guys making that

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<v Speaker 1>money and being part of a rotation, and especially defensive tackle,

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it's a rotation heavy position throughout the league,

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<v Speaker 1>especially across the defensive line. I think defensive end is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the deepest groups in the league in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of talent, and you just see the best teams have

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<v Speaker 1>these full rotations across the front. Bengals really couldn't do

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<v Speaker 1>that last year. And here's the problem, though, is they

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<v Speaker 1>are missing. I'm kind of going to contradict myself just

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. They're missing DJ Reader if he walks

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<v Speaker 1>right and that's their impact defensive tackle. Replacing that with

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<v Speaker 1>Tier three guys is probably not gonna work. You're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get the same level of play. We understand that

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<v Speaker 1>there are some things you have to accept when a big,

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<v Speaker 1>big name guy, big time player leaves your building. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you can get a top guy, if it fits

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<v Speaker 1>how the Bengals do contracts, if he wants to come here,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to deny it because I'm watching the

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<v Speaker 1>playoffs and what I came away with in the playoffs

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<v Speaker 1>this year was filling the roster around superstars. It Let

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Jones win on third down, right, let Travis Kelsey

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<v Speaker 1>win on third down on offense, and fill in the

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<v Speaker 1>rest the rest. It matters, But does it matter as

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<v Speaker 1>much as the guys that are going to make a

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<v Speaker 1>play for you when your team absolutely needs it. And

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<v Speaker 1>if that means Christian Wilkins Justin Metabike are those guys,

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<v Speaker 1>then you do it and you figure out the rest afterwards.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Goodbarry is our guest. The draft gurus say this

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<v Speaker 2>is a great year. If you're trying to draft an

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<v Speaker 2>offensive tackle. Pro Football Focus has nine tackles in their

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<v Speaker 2>top thirty one players, so potentially nine guys I guess

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<v Speaker 2>that could go in the first round. Would you use

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<v Speaker 2>the eighteenth pick on the draft to replace Jonah Williams

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<v Speaker 2>at right tackle?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that should be goal number one is to

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<v Speaker 1>not just replace Jonah? Could you have to do that?

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<v Speaker 1>He's the you know, he's been the mainstay now since

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<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl season. He's been a He's had his issues.

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<v Speaker 1>He probably never grew into the guy some hoped he

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<v Speaker 1>would be in the first round. And that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>here we are back in that situation of saying, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what can we learn from that? What can we learn

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<v Speaker 1>from the past misses on the offensive line? When we're

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<v Speaker 1>picking eighteen and if there's a guy there, and to me,

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<v Speaker 1>this class really helps you get over the hangover by

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<v Speaker 1>providing everything you need in one cocktail with all of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys. I mean, most of these guys have great size,

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<v Speaker 1>great length, great mass to them. Three hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>to three hundred and forty five pounds. For some of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys like J. C. Latham and Tellyfuaga out of

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon State, and if they test well, because they think

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<v Speaker 1>That's the other part that when the Bengals have missed

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<v Speaker 1>in the draft, it's been guys that either haven't tested

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<v Speaker 1>at some point and all the data says that this

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<v Speaker 1>is very predictive for offensive lineman. You have to be

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<v Speaker 1>a great athlete because you're blocking the Chris Jones, you're

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<v Speaker 1>blocking the TJ. Watt and Miles Garrett. These guys are freaks.

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<v Speaker 1>You need freak offensive linemen. So when they've drafted Billy Price,

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<v Speaker 1>Cedric o'boy he, Jackson Carmen, none of them tested before

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<v Speaker 1>the Combine, you can say, yeah, rely on the tape

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<v Speaker 1>and see if they're athletes. But the tape lies. It

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<v Speaker 1>lies to everyone. It's why teams miss, It's why we

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<v Speaker 1>all miss on evaluating talent and players use the data

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<v Speaker 1>to help you. There should be a guy that tests

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<v Speaker 1>well enough at that at that pick at eighteen, that

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<v Speaker 1>has the size and length that would be something Jonah

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<v Speaker 1>Williams never really had and I think that's what he

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<v Speaker 1>struggled with the most. So yes, if you can, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe the way to get the best offensive lineman, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just a personal belief. It's proven. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to draft these guys in the first round. It's where

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<v Speaker 1>they come from. They go in the top twenty. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're sitting there and a guy's there that you believe

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<v Speaker 1>is a starting tackle in this league, it take them

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<v Speaker 1>because you can't find them elsewhere unless you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>overpay in free agency. Because even how I describe Joana Williams,

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<v Speaker 1>there's projections. I say he's gonna get fifteen million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in free agency. I mean think about that. That's average

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<v Speaker 1>play fifteen million. It's a huge chunk. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think the Bengals can swallow that right now with the

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<v Speaker 1>way they're built. So it aligns with drafting one in

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<v Speaker 1>the first round.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say that they don't. Let's say that there's a

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<v Speaker 2>player that they love at eighteen, they feel like this

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<v Speaker 2>is the guy that's got the highest ceiling, whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>brock powers or a defensive tackle, whatever, and they take

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<v Speaker 2>that guy. Are there free agents out there that you

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<v Speaker 2>like as a starting right tackle that again would be

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<v Speaker 2>probably in that tier two tier three range.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think they're all tier three. To be

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<v Speaker 1>honest with you, I have Michael and when you we

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<v Speaker 1>do a grading scale every year where it's other guys,

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<v Speaker 1>other content creators that say, Okay, what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>this free agent is? And I put a two point

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<v Speaker 1>five on Michael And when you the tackle guard from

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<v Speaker 1>the Patriots, I think he's probably the best free agent

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<v Speaker 1>tackle out there. But teams may see him as a guard.

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<v Speaker 1>Many did coming out of the draft. He's barely six ' four,

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<v Speaker 1>good size, three thirty plus. I mean more than that

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<v Speaker 1>probably now, but whenever you see that height, teams like

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<v Speaker 1>to kick those guys inside. And I think he's played

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<v Speaker 1>better as a guard as well. He's actually taking more

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<v Speaker 1>snaps that guard than he has tackle in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>So I could see teams just saying, now he's a guard,

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<v Speaker 1>not really a tackle. But if he is, and if

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<v Speaker 1>he is for your team, I think he's the best

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<v Speaker 1>one available. I put a three on Jonah Williams. I

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<v Speaker 1>put a three on Jermaine illuminor the right tackle from

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<v Speaker 1>the Raiders, who will be twenty nine point eight years

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<v Speaker 1>old on kick off a week one of the season.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes it a little bit tough. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what the Bengals like to swim in those waters of

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty nine thirty thirty one range when they go

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<v Speaker 1>for free agents, but offensive line is a different breed.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you've got to go for these guys. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't get everything in free agency. I think he's a

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<v Speaker 1>baseline level starting tackle. Do I think he's better in Jonah?

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<v Speaker 1>Not really sure, but if I can pay him half

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<v Speaker 1>the money, I think that's a value there. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it comes down to the last guy to me is

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<v Speaker 1>Trent Brown, the other tackle for the New England Patriots.

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<v Speaker 1>Again very similar to Orlando Brown. Massive guy doesn't move

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<v Speaker 1>as well anymore. There's been times where he hasn't been

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<v Speaker 1>able to practice because he's dealing with different issues. He's

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<v Speaker 1>left to Patriots before and did not find success. You

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<v Speaker 1>always got to be weary of that when a guy

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<v Speaker 1>is better in one system or in one environment and

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<v Speaker 1>can't replicate it elsewhere. So I don't know what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of deal he's going to get, but I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>probably the last average to above average starter that's available

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<v Speaker 1>in this class. So it's bleak. You may come away

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<v Speaker 1>with a spot starter or a patch job Riley Reef

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<v Speaker 1>type of signing and say, hey, that doesn't preclude us

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<v Speaker 1>from drafting a guy at eighteen, even if it's Jermaine

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<v Speaker 1>Luminor at seven and a half million dollars a year,

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<v Speaker 1>which he's projected to get. That doesn't stop you from

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<v Speaker 1>drafting a stud at eighteen. And maybe you say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a battle now at right tackle or a

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<v Speaker 1>battle at left guard, and we let that guy play

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<v Speaker 1>it for his rookie year at that's at one of

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<v Speaker 1>those two spots. If he can win one and get

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<v Speaker 1>him his experience and his feet wet as a rookie

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<v Speaker 1>and move on, and you have the five best offensive

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<v Speaker 1>line him to play, which isn't something they've had the

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<v Speaker 1>luxury of doing for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Joe, many Bengals fans, as you know, have locked

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<v Speaker 2>in on Georgia tight end brock Bauers as their dream

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<v Speaker 2>draft pick. If he's there, do you think he will be?

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<v Speaker 2>And if he is, does it become a no brainer?

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<v Speaker 1>Tough questions for sure, because I think just profile wise,

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<v Speaker 1>brock ours is the best Titan we've seen since we've

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<v Speaker 1>been using data and using everything at our disposal, and

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<v Speaker 1>his production scores are insane. He did it at a

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<v Speaker 1>young age. He did it in a great conference and

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<v Speaker 1>in the biggest games. Having said that, I do think

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to measure smaller than what people expect me.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a couple of years ago people were like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the next Gronk, and then you see that

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<v Speaker 1>picture at the combine You're like, yeah, he's not Gronk.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Gronk's a full grown man next to him,

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<v Speaker 1>and Owers is still young, so he can develop and

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<v Speaker 1>fill out and he will. But he looks and he's

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<v Speaker 1>listed at six four, two forty, which is interesting because

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<v Speaker 1>that's definitely not Gronk at six six to sixty five, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But he may be under six four, and he may

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<v Speaker 1>be two thirty five, and let's hope not. Let's hope

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's a little bit bigger than that. But if

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<v Speaker 1>he does, that's going to hurt some teams and how

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<v Speaker 1>they evaluate it and say, is he worth a top

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<v Speaker 1>ten pick? And I expect him to test really, really well,

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<v Speaker 1>so maybe that'll balance everything out. But to me, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times when I'm watching, I'm like, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>big slot receiver. That's Travis Kelce. That's a move type

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<v Speaker 1>tight end, so it's not your traditional y tight end

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<v Speaker 1>that's on the line, and I'm gonna do a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the dirty work. Remember they paired Darnel Washington with

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<v Speaker 1>Brock Bowers at Georgia and that was the polar opposite

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of size and blocking and power. And they

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<v Speaker 1>use Darnell Washington to do that and they use brock

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<v Speaker 1>Bowers more as the big slot moved tight end. But

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, I think if that's not good enough

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<v Speaker 1>for the top teams, once it gets to the Bengals,

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<v Speaker 1>that may be perfect for them because the Bengals are

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<v Speaker 1>probably losing Tyler Boyd this offseason. They probably have t

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<v Speaker 1>Higgins for one more year on a franchise tag. They

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<v Speaker 1>need that third option this year that can grow into

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<v Speaker 1>a number two option. And this is gonna come after

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<v Speaker 1>the free agency. So the way we started this conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals are probably going to sign a veteran free agent.

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<v Speaker 1>They have how many years in a row now at

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<v Speaker 1>tight end and maybe that's just Drew Sample and Tanner Hudson.

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<v Speaker 1>But what you get in Brock Bowers is something that

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<v Speaker 1>those guys can't do as expected if you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>spend a top pick. And I think the next question

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<v Speaker 1>people have is are there enough targets and would they

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<v Speaker 1>use them correctly, because we haven't really seen that too

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<v Speaker 1>much out of time end, and we're talking replacing Tyler

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<v Speaker 1>Boyd as a slot guy and getting some of the

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<v Speaker 1>tight end targets. Bengals a one hundred and fifteen targets

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<v Speaker 1>at tight end last year, they had ninety eight to

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler Boyd. So let's just say two hundred, and let's

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<v Speaker 1>say andre Yosubash and Charlie Jones are going to elevate

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<v Speaker 1>in year two and get a chunk of that, so

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<v Speaker 1>maybe sixty targets go to them. We're still at one

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<v Speaker 1>forty and say we still want to give some to

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<v Speaker 1>Sample and Tanner Hudson. I think we can easily get

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<v Speaker 1>to ninety targets left for brock Bowers as the number

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<v Speaker 1>three option, very similar to where Boyd was the last

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<v Speaker 1>few years. And I think that's completely worth it. And

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<v Speaker 1>what he could develop into is maybe your number two guy. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm for it. And I think that's the scenario where

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<v Speaker 1>you set you kind of hinted to it earlier, where

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know what, we think this is the best

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<v Speaker 1>upside guy. We think this is the difference maker. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we know we need this, this and that, but this

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<v Speaker 1>guy in a couple of years or even in a year,

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<v Speaker 1>may be the difference maker on offense that helps us

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<v Speaker 1>survive losing some of these receivers.

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<v Speaker 2>You did a Bengals on the Brain video study of

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<v Speaker 2>Brock Bowers on one of your YouTube videos sponsored by

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<v Speaker 2>First Star Logistics. I was surprised when I watched that

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<v Speaker 2>how well he blocked, because we've all seen the receiving

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<v Speaker 2>highlights and the speed and the yards after catch, but

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<v Speaker 2>you had a lot of clips where he really handled

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<v Speaker 2>his guy as a blocker.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's a lot of credit to the way

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia used him, making sure that he can be on

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<v Speaker 1>motion coming back across, coming in from the slot and

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<v Speaker 1>clipping a defensive end, allowing him to climb up and

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<v Speaker 1>get a linebacker where he's not going to be out

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<v Speaker 1>matched in terms of size and strength. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that is a blueprint to the role you would use him.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I think he's fine. He is for what

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to ask him to do, he will get

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<v Speaker 1>the job done. And to be honest with you, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals don't even have that role. If they bring back

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<v Speaker 1>Drew Sample, that's your Twoerned sixty pounds y blocker that

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<v Speaker 1>can get on the line. But when they wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>go to Wilcox and Tanner Hudson in twelve personnel and

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<v Speaker 1>use those guys as the flex tight end and get

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<v Speaker 1>them blocking, they neither were good enough in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think Flowers would be an extreme upgrade even

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<v Speaker 1>as a blocker in that role. And then you hint

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<v Speaker 1>it to it, I wanted to make sure we get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet his run after the catch was what makes him

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<v Speaker 1>the best tight end prospect in a long time, because

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<v Speaker 1>his numbers there are ninety ninth ninety eighth percentile across

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<v Speaker 1>the board for after the catch and making guys miss,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Bengals don't have one of those guys either,

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<v Speaker 1>other than Jamar Chase. It seems like the only guy

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<v Speaker 1>that can give screens to and run the RPOs too

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<v Speaker 1>and give them the jet sweeps, it's Chase. It's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to continue to do that because defenses seems so hyper

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<v Speaker 1>focused on it. Bowers gives you another guy to give

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<v Speaker 1>you a little bit after the catch.

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<v Speaker 2>So brock Powers is going to continue to be the

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<v Speaker 2>dream pick for many Bengals fans. After listening to this

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about t Higgins. You alluded to it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think most people, myself included, expect the Bengals to franchise

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<v Speaker 2>Tag Tea for this year and then eventually extend Jamar

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<v Speaker 2>Chase and lose T as a free agent. What would

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<v Speaker 2>you do and why?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's hard because the tag makes a lot of sense,

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<v Speaker 1>and the way that he's coming off of probably his

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<v Speaker 1>worst career, dealing with injuries, dealing with quarterback turmoil, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was going to kill anyone's numbers. I think

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<v Speaker 1>even when even as way the way that Jake Browning

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<v Speaker 1>did play in the second half, it still has an impact.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think you want to keep him and keep

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<v Speaker 1>the band together as best as possible. That means if

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<v Speaker 1>they have to tag him because we don't expect an

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<v Speaker 1>extension to happen for whatever reason, right, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>guaranteed money and and the Bengals don't typically swim in

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<v Speaker 1>those waters and go too deep in them, so I

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<v Speaker 1>think that'll probably be the impass where a deal doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>get done, because the best option would be getting a

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<v Speaker 1>deal done and lowering that cap hit from the what

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be the franchise tag just under twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two million dollars and lowering it to ten million even

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<v Speaker 1>if you can, and a lot of teams would that

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<v Speaker 1>are going to extend T. Jiggins they want, they would

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<v Speaker 1>push off those big capts the future years. It would

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<v Speaker 1>provide you some relief. That could be the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>signing a starting defensive tackle or not. So the most

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<v Speaker 1>flexibility would be to extend him. But then you get

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<v Speaker 1>into a few years where it's should we pay thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five percent of our cap to three players? Meaning Joe Burrow,

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<v Speaker 1>Jamar Chase and T Higgins When the Bengals went to

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<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl. Those guys were cheap, right, It's not

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<v Speaker 1>really I even said run it back with these three,

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<v Speaker 1>But is it running it back when those guys cost

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<v Speaker 1>four times as much? Not really, because now you need

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<v Speaker 1>to fill in. You need to have another Burrow, Chase

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<v Speaker 1>and Higgins on rookie deals at other positions. So you

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<v Speaker 1>need to nail or hope that Dax Hill and Miles

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<v Speaker 1>Murphy and maybe it's brock Hoers this year Johnny Newton.

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<v Speaker 1>Are those impact players for cheap and that's what gets

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<v Speaker 1>you back over the hump and replaces the value that

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<v Speaker 1>you're losing by extending the Burrow, the Chase and the Higgins.

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<v Speaker 1>What you have to do and you want to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and you hate when you see these guys walk after

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<v Speaker 1>four or five years, the Jesse Bates or even I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm watching a free agent talk and Kevin Zeitler is

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<v Speaker 1>still playing and still playing at a high level, and

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<v Speaker 1>it still burns that you couldn't find a way to

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<v Speaker 1>keep a guy that should have been a ten year

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<v Speaker 1>player for you. And let's fill in the rest, keep

0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.160
<v Speaker 1>your good players, fill in the rest, figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Draft well, because you have to draft well anyway once

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<v Speaker 1>you start. I mean you have to draft well no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what your what spot on the timeline you're on.

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<v Speaker 1>But once you pay that quarterback big money, it is

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<v Speaker 1>the single most important thing you can do for your

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<v Speaker 1>franchise is to draft and find cheap talent. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think the Chiefs, even without the draft class they

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<v Speaker 1>had a couple of years ago, get back to the

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl and win it two years in a row

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<v Speaker 1>without those classes, and it just shows you how important

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<v Speaker 1>it is. So you know, I'm down for whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 1>whether that's tagging trade get more picks, which I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think is a realistic option either. I just don't think

0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:37.200
<v Speaker 1>teams will value or match the value the Bengals half

0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:38.800
<v Speaker 1>for Tea. I think the Bengals love t and see

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<v Speaker 1>them as a true wide receiver, one which would demand

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<v Speaker 1>a first round pick and a strong wide receiver class.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see that ever matching up and happening. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that they're either option. There are hurdles to it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've got to get creative with the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>your cap space.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Goodbarry is our guest. You can follow him on

0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:01.919
<v Speaker 2>x at Joe Goodberry. In your free agent simulation, you

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<v Speaker 2>cut Joe Mixon and you cut Nick Scott for cap room.

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<v Speaker 2>I think everybody could understand why they would let Nick

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<v Speaker 2>Scott go, But there's more of a debate on Joe. Obviously,

0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:13.760
<v Speaker 2>he was still productive last year with more than fourteen

0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:17.480
<v Speaker 2>hundred total offensive yards. Give us your rationale for cutting

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Mixon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it largely comes down to when that new deal

0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.359
<v Speaker 1>happened last year, and talking to people when it happened,

0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.800
<v Speaker 1>it felt like from what I was told that this

0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:31.920
<v Speaker 1>would be a one year thing unless he does Unless

0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.119
<v Speaker 1>he performs really well in that contract as a value

0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.359
<v Speaker 1>in year two, and he may have. That's the thing.

0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:38.440
<v Speaker 1>So like I'm kind of debating, like what do they think.

0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:40.240
<v Speaker 1>I actually don't know. Is he going to get cut?

0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:42.560
<v Speaker 1>He has a roster bonus of three million and twenty

0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:46.200
<v Speaker 1>eight dollars a few days after the league year starts,

0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:50.639
<v Speaker 1>and that'll probably be our indicator if they in the

0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:53.720
<v Speaker 1>right away in the tampering period, and then those three

0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:56.760
<v Speaker 1>days if they are talking the running backs, free agent

0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:58.840
<v Speaker 1>running backs, if they sign a free agent running back,

0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:00.760
<v Speaker 1>well then the writing is on the wall and they

0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:03.119
<v Speaker 1>don't want to pay that three million because if you

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:06.280
<v Speaker 1>do pay that signing bonus or that roster bonus of

0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:09.080
<v Speaker 1>three million, it pretty much locks him on the roster.

0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:10.480
<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna pay a guy that and then cut

0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:12.720
<v Speaker 1>him two three months later. It doesn't make any sense.

0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Teams don't do that, so they make those decisions at

0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:18.880
<v Speaker 1>that point. And so I don't think, well, I think

0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.000
<v Speaker 1>it could happen because of that. I don't think the

0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.800
<v Speaker 1>savings is as big as some people that really want

0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:26.840
<v Speaker 1>to cut Joe Mixon. You get five and a half million,

0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:28.679
<v Speaker 1>but are you gonna spend three and a half on

0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:31.479
<v Speaker 1>a Devin Singletary or whoever it may be, insert any

0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:33.960
<v Speaker 1>running back. Then you're really only saving two million. Is

0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:35.560
<v Speaker 1>it worth it? I mean, you got a guy that

0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:38.520
<v Speaker 1>is consistent that the locker room loves. That is a

0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:40.680
<v Speaker 1>power runner that you don't have on the roster right

0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:42.119
<v Speaker 1>now that if you need it to give it to

0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:45.080
<v Speaker 1>him thirty times, he can handle it. And also he

0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:48.720
<v Speaker 1>never fumbles. So there are traits that I want in

0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:51.160
<v Speaker 1>the next running back or with Joe Mixon, I want

0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:53.840
<v Speaker 1>a guy like that in the backfield. I just wonder

0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:56.840
<v Speaker 1>if you can find that production from an AJ Dillon

0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:58.720
<v Speaker 1>right that's two hundred and twenty five, two hundred and

0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:02.360
<v Speaker 1>thirty pounds with thighs like tree trunks, and give them

0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:03.960
<v Speaker 1>one and a half two and a half million dollars

0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:05.639
<v Speaker 1>and save a lot of money. And you take that

0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:07.840
<v Speaker 1>money and you put it towards the tight end, you

0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:09.800
<v Speaker 1>put it towards a right tackle, or you put it

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:13.040
<v Speaker 1>towards the defensive tackle. And is that money better spent?

0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:17.199
<v Speaker 1>All of the numbers and all the advanced analytics just

0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:20.320
<v Speaker 1>say running back is replaceable, and spending any money there

0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:22.240
<v Speaker 1>is probably not the wisest decision.

0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Joe Mixon was a second round pick. Jeremy Hill was

0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:29.000
<v Speaker 2>the second round pick. Giovanni Bernard was a second round

0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:32.560
<v Speaker 2>pick going way back Corey Dillon. Perhaps the greatest running

0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:35.280
<v Speaker 2>back they've ever had was a second round pick. So

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:38.919
<v Speaker 2>historically that's been the sweet spot for the Bengals to

0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.800
<v Speaker 2>find running backs that have been the running back for

0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:44.440
<v Speaker 2>several years in a row. Do you think that still

0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:46.520
<v Speaker 2>applies or if we hit a point now in the

0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:49.639
<v Speaker 2>NFL where you'll find them in the third round or

0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:53.000
<v Speaker 2>fourth round, or in Isaiah Paiceko's case, the seventh round.

0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:56.480
<v Speaker 1>You can find those guys late. But the data doesn't

0:23:56.480 --> 0:23:59.239
<v Speaker 1>go that far. It says you still need to prioritize it.

0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:01.560
<v Speaker 1>It's just a down a rung from the other position.

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 1>So second and third round are still the sweet spots

0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:07.239
<v Speaker 1>for that position with the largest hit rate. And if

0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:09.760
<v Speaker 1>you're looking for an impact runner, which I think you do,

0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:11.680
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to just put anyone back there and say,

0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:14.080
<v Speaker 1>hey we're getting three point eight yards per carry, hooray. No,

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:16.399
<v Speaker 1>you're looking for more. You want the explosive runs. You

0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>want the guy that can run some routes from the

0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:21.000
<v Speaker 1>backfield and be a difference maker, whether that's with his speed,

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.119
<v Speaker 1>with his pass catching, even past blocking. They could use

0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.159
<v Speaker 1>a guy that even specializes in that. And in my

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:29.440
<v Speaker 1>off season mock, I ended up taking a running back

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:31.200
<v Speaker 1>in the third round because I do think if you

0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 1>cut mixing even signing a low end guy and then

0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:38.359
<v Speaker 1>and I took Deonta Foreman, same draft classes, mixing actually,

0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:39.840
<v Speaker 1>but you know you get them for a million and

0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:43.240
<v Speaker 1>a half to be your power runner beer number three runner.

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:45.600
<v Speaker 1>You turn around and draft a guy in the second

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:47.760
<v Speaker 1>or third round, and I think the Bengals would focus

0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:50.639
<v Speaker 1>on that. They value running back, they always have. They

0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:52.800
<v Speaker 1>draft them, even the guys that don't work out Kenny

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:55.679
<v Speaker 1>Irons right, Chris Perry in the first round. They value

0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:57.359
<v Speaker 1>running back. They see that the guy is going to

0:24:57.359 --> 0:24:59.840
<v Speaker 1>touch the ball second most on offense, and they want

0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:02.159
<v Speaker 1>to trust that guy to be if you have to

0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:03.840
<v Speaker 1>lean on him and he has to carry you for

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:05.760
<v Speaker 1>a game or two, they want to do that. And

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I think this class, while it's much weaker than last year,

0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:11.160
<v Speaker 1>I think Chase Brown probably goes. He probably gets second

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:13.120
<v Speaker 1>third round talk which is where we had him graded

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:15.919
<v Speaker 1>last year anyways in our process, but he would be

0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:19.159
<v Speaker 1>in the top five or six in this class. In

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:20.800
<v Speaker 1>this class is a little bit weaker, but there are

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 1>good players on Day two, and I think the Bengals

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.440
<v Speaker 1>would prioritize it should it be.

0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Awougie is a free agent. The Bengals have Cam Taylor, Bread,

0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:31.919
<v Speaker 2>DJ Turner, and Mike Hilton. They are obviously going to

0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 2>need a corner that's capable of starting. Is there anybody

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 2>out there that you like in free agency?

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Sure? I mean it's a if you want to go

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 1>for the defences, with a Jalen Johnson swing for the

0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:47.600
<v Speaker 1>fences or a lagarious need. I don't think that's where

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:49.879
<v Speaker 1>they want to play. I think there are some positions

0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 1>that they have to say, hey, we're going to go

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 1>with value here, and I think one of them was

0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:55.800
<v Speaker 1>safety last year. I think this year could be corner.

0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:57.919
<v Speaker 1>You have one more year with Mike Hilton on a

0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 1>big deal, and it's not even it's been a value.

0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:02.919
<v Speaker 1>It's been actually a great signing for them. But in

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:06.760
<v Speaker 1>a year you could potentially have three cheap players at

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:10.360
<v Speaker 1>those positions and cheap safeties, and I think that's part

0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:12.520
<v Speaker 1>of the pie that you have to slice up if

0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:15.080
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna go heavy at wide receiver. They had the

0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 1>fifth most expensive OAL lines and D lines last year.

0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 1>If you're gonna do that, then you have to go

0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:22.640
<v Speaker 1>cheap at some positions, and they've decided to tight end

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:25.520
<v Speaker 1>safety and potentially cornered. I do think they would want

0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:28.440
<v Speaker 1>to bring in a fourth guy that can start. I

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:30.600
<v Speaker 1>don't think it's a guy that has to start. I

0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 1>think it's like, Okay, if Turner isn't capable of being

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 1>a every play guy or an every game guy, or

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:39.680
<v Speaker 1>doesn't take a step in year two, or Cam Taylor

0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Britt deals with injuries in year three, again, we need

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:43.600
<v Speaker 1>a guy that can step into that role. And I

0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:46.040
<v Speaker 1>think every team wants that. So I do think there

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:48.520
<v Speaker 1>is some a little bit of piece of the pie

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:50.719
<v Speaker 1>that they could slice off there and retain for that

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 1>fourth guy that's a veteran, and maybe it's we're talking

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:55.840
<v Speaker 1>four million dollars a year for a Dane Jackson from Buffalo.

0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:57.760
<v Speaker 1>That's what I did in the simulation, and I think

0:26:57.760 --> 0:26:59.160
<v Speaker 1>that makes a lot of sense to play all three

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:02.119
<v Speaker 1>positions and can start for you as needed. Or I

0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 1>do think because they've always drafted corners and always find

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:08.439
<v Speaker 1>a way to see a guy's of value at some spot.

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:11.199
<v Speaker 1>I do think there is a potential there that they

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 1>draft a corner and whether that's third, fourth, fifth round

0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 1>that can come in and potentially be your backup guy.

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 1>And because you know, I probably didn't think this way

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:21.880
<v Speaker 1>until dj Ivy in that last game got hurt, where

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:23.359
<v Speaker 1>it was like, man, that's a bummer. You may not

0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:24.920
<v Speaker 1>see that guy to the end of camp or even

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.240
<v Speaker 1>into the season because of how late that injury happened.

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 1>But he looked like he could have been developing into

0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:32.400
<v Speaker 1>that corner four. And now they've got some questions there

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna have to address it, Joe.

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:37.680
<v Speaker 2>The Bengals made some coaching changes in the offseason. Dan

0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Pitcher has been promoted from quarterbacks coach to offensive coordinator.

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Brad Craig thorpe replaces him as the quarterbacks coach. They've

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 2>also brought in Justin Rescatti for a new spot, the

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:54.120
<v Speaker 2>past game coordinator. What if anything, do you infer from

0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:56.439
<v Speaker 2>the Bengals adding somebody with that title.

0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's fun. Number One. I've noticed this

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:02.160
<v Speaker 1>around the league, Like I've how many teams are saying

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 1>this is a pass game coordinator and I go click

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:06.199
<v Speaker 1>on him. It's a defensive guy. Wait, this is the

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:08.680
<v Speaker 1>thing on defense. This is a run game coordinator. This

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 1>is an outside linebacker pass RUSS coach. So we're seeing

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 1>it on the offensive side as well. We've seen run

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:16.640
<v Speaker 1>game coordinator. Frank Pollack's been that for a few years now,

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 1>and now we're getting a pass game coordinator. What I'm

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 1>inferring from that is what they lost with Brian Callahan.

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 1>They felt that he can replace it, and the Bengals

0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 1>break down there and there's a lot of questions always,

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 1>so if Zach Taylor calls plays, what does the coordinator

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 1>actually do? Well, he's the manager of everyone that takes

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 1>part in designing, building and running this offense, right, So

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 1>that was Brian Callahan, But also the Bengals divvy up

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 1>responsibilities within their coaches, like Troy Walters does red zone,

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>red zone packages and concepts and make sure everyone on

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 1>the offense knows what they're doing there. Dan Pitcher was

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 1>doing third downs, so you know they divided up that way.

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 1>We have Frank Pollack is the run game o line,

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 1>but Brian Callahan also had blitz pickups and protections. And

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>we got a guy here that was a former quarterback

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:02.400
<v Speaker 1>in Rascotti that also coached offensive line, and I'm like, yeah,

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. Now we're talking, and he's got a

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:06.320
<v Speaker 1>video when he was with the Broncos that I watched.

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 1>It was protection. Six man protection, so keeping a tight

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 1>end and keeping a running back in things the Bengals

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't do often with Burrow. They like to go five wide,

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 1>spread it out and just say these are our five.

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Let's see what the defense is doing, and let's let's

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 1>pick up the blitzer, pick up the pass rush accordingly.

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:23.320
<v Speaker 1>But then when they had Browning in there, and you

0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 1>see the way the game is changing anyways, when the

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 1>league is changing, more blockers, keeping everything condensed in trying

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 1>to confuse the defense rather than make him declare who's

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 1>coming and going, which Burrow seems to like. But you

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 1>may want to absorb more six and seven man protections.

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 1>We saw when Browning was in there, and it worked

0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:42.880
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways. I think that's going to

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>be a next step for this offense. And you're coming

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:48.200
<v Speaker 1>from a Vikings offense that's heavy on play action, heavy

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 1>on moving your number one ride receiver around and force

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 1>feeding him targets. I think you could absorb some of

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 1>that as well, so it makes a lot of sense

0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:58.440
<v Speaker 1>from we need to replace what we lost in Kalahan,

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 1>but also what can this guy I bring to the

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>table to help the evolution of this offense?

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Following up on that, from some of those things that

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 2>you just alluded to, from a scheme standpoint, what do

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 2>you think is the greatest need? More play action, more

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 2>under center snaps, more multiple tight ends. Is there something

0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 2>specific that you would most like to see?

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all of that sounds great, to be honest, with you,

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 1>being more multiple, being more versatile, being able to go

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:31.200
<v Speaker 1>into twelve personnel more often with two tight ends, not

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 1>living in three wide receivers consistently. I understand that's what

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>they're best at. But because you had Higgins and Boyd,

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, why wouldn't you that number two tight end

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:41.479
<v Speaker 1>has to be better than Boyd in order to get

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:43.640
<v Speaker 1>on the field right or else You're doing yourself a

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 1>disservice in many ways. But I would like to see

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.240
<v Speaker 1>so a few things here. I'd like to see speed,

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:51.719
<v Speaker 1>elusiveness at running back, but I'd like to see more

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 1>speed at the receiver and tight end position as well.

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Can I get guys that can run after the catch?

0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Can I run more bubble screens with other guys. Maybe

0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 1>that's Charlie Jones add some of that with his punt returnability.

0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's a brock Bowers at tight end that can

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.120
<v Speaker 1>do these things. But I do think they need to

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>get more dynamic playmakers with the ball in their hands.

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 1>The Bengals Jake Browning and Joe Burrow last year were

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the lowest depth of target so yards per attempt in

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the league in terms of where the ball is being targeted.

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Patrick Mahomes is low there. So that's really an indication

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 1>of what defenses are doing to you to really put

0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 1>a cap on your offense. So you have to work

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:27.960
<v Speaker 1>from underneath and get guys that can make plays after

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 1>the catch. I think it's a big need for them.

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>But also then you bring it in and condense things

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>and run more play actions and try to create explosive

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 1>shot plays that are designed to hey, this is our time,

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>this we're at the fifty, it's first down, it's second

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 1>in short, whatever it is, let's take a shot now,

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>let's call it, let's run it now. And they didn't

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 1>end up in a lot of those scenarios where they

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:51.640
<v Speaker 1>could do it, especially when Burrow couldn't go under center.

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 1>It felt like when we got to that Arizona game

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 1>and then the forty nine er game, it was like, Yeah,

0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 1>this is now we can see him start to do

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 1>some of these things they always wanted to before we

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:02.959
<v Speaker 1>got hurt, before that calf got hurt. Those first few

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 1>days of camp, all the clips were getting are look

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>at the RPOs, look at the play action, look at

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Burrow moving in the pocket and extending plays and booting out,

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 1>and it was a natural progression for this offense. It's

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>a shame we never got to see it fully happen.

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 1>But I do think that is a major step for

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 1>them in twenty twenty four.

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 2>The Joe Burrow contract extension doesn't really become a huge

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>cap hit until next year when it jumps from about

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 2>twenty nine million to forty six million. Does that make

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 2>this year critical in terms of reinforcements because of the

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 2>cap space.

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no doubt about it. I think this is the

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 1>most important offseason in Bengals history because I think they

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 1>have the quarterback that, in my opinion, should could end

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.480
<v Speaker 1>up being the best quarterback in franchise history. If he's

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 1>not knocking on the door for some of the young

0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>fans that already right. But you have a lot of

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 1>the talent that you need. You have had it the

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 1>last few years. To be honest with you, it's kind

0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:58.959
<v Speaker 1>of sad to look back from twenty twenty one to

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, say, man, they were so close. You

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:05.719
<v Speaker 1>know they in alternate universes. There's a ring somewhere on

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow's finger already, and so they're at the door.

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 1>They know what they have. They got the right guy,

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:13.880
<v Speaker 1>which I think is step number one for any franchise.

0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Do you have the quarterback? Yes, we do. Do you

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 1>have the coaching staff around him and the support system

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:20.959
<v Speaker 1>around him that can get them to play at his

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:23.040
<v Speaker 1>very best and the surrounding talent at their very best?

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I would say yes. Is for as much frustration as

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 1>fans have with the offense and think it should score

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 1>forty every game. Jamar Chase's broken records, Joe Burrow's broken records,

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 1>They've broken all franchise records, They've broken NFL records. Together.

0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 1>They will continue to do that and exploit defenses throughout

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 1>the league. And I think a lot of that isn't

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 1>just their talent. You have to give some credit to

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 1>the coaches of putting them in position, and the drafting

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 1>and the organization of putting talent around them, which they

0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 1>definitely have had. And maybe you have your poems about

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 1>the offensive line, but the weapons have been some of

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 1>the best in the league. But you are at a

0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:58.400
<v Speaker 1>reset point and that's not a bad thing. I think

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 1>that scares some fans when they say, you know, I

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:03.360
<v Speaker 1>don't want to rebuild, and because that has a bad

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>connotation to it. But a reset point to bring in

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:09.759
<v Speaker 1>to have that free agency where you get Hendrickson, where

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 1>you get Reader, where you get a woozy a, where

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 1>you get Hilton. You have that point here where they

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of cap space. They have tremendous cap health.

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>You look at the rest of the league and the

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 1>teams that they're competing with, and the Chiefs have to

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 1>make some decisions. The Bills are forty million over the cap, right,

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 1>so like these the Ravens, same situation. These teams are

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 1>not in the position you are in if you want

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:30.600
<v Speaker 1>to push it, if you want to stretch it. What

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:32.959
<v Speaker 1>the Bengals don't really do with the cap, they don't

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 1>really push it in the future years. It's something that

0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I think they can do, but they don't need to yet.

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:40.439
<v Speaker 1>They don't have to like these other teams do. They're

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 1>in a position to load up with new young players,

0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 1>new free agents to twenty five to twenty six year

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 1>old Von Bells signings that are cheap that six million

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 1>dollars a year. You find a guy like that again

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 1>this offseason, and how much better do we feel about

0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:57.400
<v Speaker 1>whatever position that is that you find that guy. And

0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 1>I think that puts you in position to if you

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 1>draft well, if you have a nice free agency man,

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:04.839
<v Speaker 1>you're loaded up again around Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase,

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 1>which is really the key. And I'm ready to go

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 1>forward and watch that.

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:10.840
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned some of the videos that I've watched recently

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:13.759
<v Speaker 2>on Bengals on the Brain sponsored by First Star Logistics.

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 2>What are some things that we have to look forward

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<v Speaker 2>to coming up in the near future.

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.319
<v Speaker 1>More film breakdowns. To be honest with you, I really

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:23.480
<v Speaker 1>am interested in this offensive tackle class. I'm continuing that

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.239
<v Speaker 1>with Telly Fuaga was the last one. I'm going to

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 1>try and get Amarius Mims out of Georgia. He has

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 1>like eight games starting, so it's very hard to find

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the tape. I might just have to cut that up myself.

0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 1>But we're gonna do free agent breakdowns and profiles guys

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:39.400
<v Speaker 1>that I think are interesting because I, like you said,

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:41.000
<v Speaker 1>you team, a lot of people are going to say, hey,

0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Chris Jones, why let's go after Chris Jones. I go

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>right down to tier three and I say, Okay, who's

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:46.839
<v Speaker 1>twenty five and a half years old, who's twenty six

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 1>years old, who's just now entering their prime? That you

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:51.879
<v Speaker 1>can get for a third of the price or half

0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 1>the price Gino Stone at free safety for the Ravens,

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 1>right coming off a career year, twenty five years old

0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:00.760
<v Speaker 1>in projection at seven million dollars a year, boom sold.

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:02.279
<v Speaker 1>Let me get that. Let me get a player that

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 1>leads the league in interceptions, right, And that's where I

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 1>want to play. And that's where I'm going to get

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 1>into in the future videos, but also a lot of

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 1>draft content. It's not just mock drafts. We have a

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 1>whole system with guys I work with and do this

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:19.319
<v Speaker 1>with where we score in great prospects, we balance it

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 1>with advanced analytics, and we let it spit it out

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 1>and we don't touch it. After that, it says, hey,

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:24.920
<v Speaker 1>this guy should go in the first round, and we

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 1>say great, because it's been pretty good for us. Although

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 1>we tweak it every year, it's fun to see it

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 1>play out and see how it goes.

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:36.880
<v Speaker 2>You also offer exclusive content on Twitter or X if

0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 2>people prefer referring to it as X these days. What

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:41.919
<v Speaker 2>do people get if they subscribe?

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.840
<v Speaker 1>You get one on one interaction and content. If you

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 1>have questions, I answer it. I'll do videos for you

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:50.279
<v Speaker 1>right there and there. If someone says, hey, someone asked

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 1>me earlier, are the targets there for brock Bauers. So

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:55.359
<v Speaker 1>I just recorded that, I'm going to send that to him.

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 1>And that's why I was so prepared when you asked me,

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 1>because I'm constantly answering questions, turning out content for them,

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 1>giving my opinion. I try to save my opinion for

0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the exclusive stuff. So I put out the data or

0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the videos or the film whatever if, and that's for

0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:13.600
<v Speaker 1>everyone on Twitter. And then I'll say, okay, so what

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:15.879
<v Speaker 1>does this mean? And I'll go into the subscriber section

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:17.719
<v Speaker 1>and I'll just we'll just talk and break it down

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:20.400
<v Speaker 1>and have a conversation amongst people that are like minded

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:21.720
<v Speaker 1>and want to go a little bit deeper.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe, you do extraordinary work. I'm a big fan. I

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 2>really appreciate your time today and I hope we can

0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:28.360
<v Speaker 2>do this again.

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:29.759
<v Speaker 1>Thank you Dan for having me on.

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0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Joe Goodbarry rave about Georgia tight end Brock Bowers and

0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:59.920
<v Speaker 2>describe what he could do for the Bengals passing attack.

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:00.799
<v Speaker 1>Well.

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 2>The NFL Scouting Combine is coming up next week and

0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 2>draft guru Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network has the

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Bengals selecting Bowers with the eighteenth overall pick in his

0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 2>latest mock draft, having said that he wrote the following

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:22.120
<v Speaker 2>quote file this underfits that I selfishly want to see happen.

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:26.319
<v Speaker 2>It's highly unlikely Bowers falls this far in round one,

0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:29.840
<v Speaker 2>but let's just pause and dream for a moment about

0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 2>seeing him join forces with Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. Unquote.

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Jeremiah did a pre combined conference call with reporters this week,

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 2>and here's what he said about Bowers.

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<v Speaker 3>He's easy to great. I mean when you watch him,

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:47.040
<v Speaker 3>he's super easy to gree He's one of the ten

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 3>best players in the draft. He's size wise, speed wise,

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 3>I think is going to be very is going to

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.320
<v Speaker 3>favor Kittle. You know, when you look at him, I

0:38:56.360 --> 0:38:57.880
<v Speaker 3>think once we get a chance to see him, I

0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 3>don't think we'll see him do much at the combine.

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 1>I think he might be one that's waiting until the

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:04.239
<v Speaker 1>pro day. We'll have to wait and see on that one.

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:09.760
<v Speaker 3>But similar size, similar speed, plays with just tenacity, especially

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:10.640
<v Speaker 3>with the ball in his hands.

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 1>That's where he's at his best.

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:14.880
<v Speaker 3>In the run game. You know, he can get into guys,

0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:17.240
<v Speaker 3>he can finish him. You know, he's not the tallest,

0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 3>not the longest guy, so there are times he's not

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:22.640
<v Speaker 3>able to quite do that. But you know, everything he

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:26.319
<v Speaker 3>does separate easy. He can go get it, he can

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:27.879
<v Speaker 3>climb the ladder and go up and get the ball,

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:30.440
<v Speaker 3>and then really the run after catch stuff is what

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 3>makes him special. The challenge is then figuring out where

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 3>does he go in the draft. And I think when

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:37.680
<v Speaker 3>you look around the league and you see most of

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:41.239
<v Speaker 3>these top tight ends that have come on Day two

0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:46.040
<v Speaker 3>or even beyond that, teams are now saying, Okay, we

0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 3>can find that other tight end. Maybe we don't get

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:49.799
<v Speaker 3>the top guy, we can get a really really good

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 3>player who might end up being the top guy without

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 3>having to pay that premium. And I also think that

0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:57.560
<v Speaker 3>the Kyle Pitts thing, you know as Kyle Pitts his

0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:00.239
<v Speaker 3>talent as any tight end that I've ever evaluated, and

0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's just you're still dependent on the position

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:06.480
<v Speaker 3>of the quarterback, so depending on what you can get

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 3>out of them. So that couple with the money difference,

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 3>the savings you get by taking a premier position in

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.319
<v Speaker 3>the top ten, it's tough to place him to know

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:17.319
<v Speaker 3>how high he's going to go.

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Pitts was the fourth pick in the twenty twenty

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:25.040
<v Speaker 2>one draft, meaning he was taken one spot before the

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Bengals selected Jamar Chase. Pitts was a pro bowler as

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 2>a rookie when he topped one thousand receiving yards, but

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 2>he hasn't put up big numbers in the two seasons

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:39.759
<v Speaker 2>since Atlanta's quarterback situation has obviously been a factor. Might

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 2>that make teams reluctant to use a high pick on Bours.

0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Only time will tell, but the highest selected tight end

0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:50.920
<v Speaker 2>in last year's draft was Dalton Kinkaid to Buffalo, and

0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:54.960
<v Speaker 2>that was with a twenty fifth overall pick. I'll be

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:57.280
<v Speaker 2>at the combine for a couple of days next week

0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:01.600
<v Speaker 2>and we'll have some great draft content to come. That's

0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:03.360
<v Speaker 2>going to do it for this episode of the Bengals

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