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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading the Bengals Booth Podcast.

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Speaker 2: free agency, the draft, and the salary cap with a

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Speaker 2: well known football analyst among Bengals fans, Bengals on the

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Speaker 2: Brain host Joe Goodberry. Plus with the scouting Combine coming

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Speaker 2: up next week in Indianapolis, we'll hear from the NFL

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Speaker 2: Network's Daniel Jeremiah on the player he has Cincinnati selecting

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Speaker 2: in the first round in his latest mock draft.

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Speaker 2: Now let's get to football. If you're a big Bengals fan,

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Speaker 2: you're probably familiar with Joe Goodberry. He's been cranking out

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Speaker 2: great Bengals content for more than a decade, and his

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Speaker 2: film breakdowns and player evaluations are exceptional. Joe is currently

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Speaker 2: can find his Bengals on the Brain videos on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: He's also a great Twitter follow at Joe Goodbarry. We

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Speaker 2: spoke this week about what Joe calls the most important

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Speaker 2: off season in Bengals history. Joe, you've done some recent

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Speaker 2: videos on your YouTube channel where you did a free

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Speaker 2: agency simulation and a draft simulation. Your highest priced free

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Speaker 2: agent acquisition was an interior defensive lineman, Justin Mattabik of

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Speaker 2: the Ravens. Your top two draft picks were interior defensive

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Speaker 2: lineman Johnny Newton of Illinois in the first round and

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Speaker 2: mammoth to Andre Sweat of Texas in the second round.

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Speaker 2: So this would suggest did you consider upgrading the interior

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Speaker 1: I think that's the most we can take from that

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Speaker 1: exercises that I really felt they wanted to or we

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Speaker 1: I ran on ESPN two also that justin Matta Bikay,

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Speaker 1: So that was my idea. There's, hey, you've got to

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Speaker 1: I usually lean towards the multiple tier two, three and

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Speaker 1: even fours. In past years, it's worked for the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: They identified the correct players in the majority of time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there has been a Trey Wayne sprinkling in there.

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Speaker 1: Chris Jones win on third down, right, let Travis Kelsey

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Speaker 1: if that means Christian Wilkins Justin Metabike are those guys,

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Speaker 2: Joe Goodbarry is our guest. The draft gurus say this

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Speaker 2: is a great year. If you're trying to draft an

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Speaker 1: I think that should be goal number one is to

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Speaker 1: That's the other part that when the Bengals have missed

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Speaker 1: in the draft, it's been guys that either haven't tested

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Speaker 1: because you can't find them elsewhere unless you're going to

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Speaker 1: there's projections. I say he's gonna get fifteen million dollars

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Speaker 2: Let's say that they don't. Let's say that there's a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think they're all tier three. To be

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Speaker 1: other content creators that say, Okay, what do you think

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Speaker 2: You did a Bengals on the Brain video study of

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl and win it two years in a row

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Speaker 1: without those classes, and it just shows you how important

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Speaker 1: it is. So you know, I'm down for whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: whether that's tagging trade get more picks, which I don't

434
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Speaker 1: think is a realistic option either. I just don't think

435
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Speaker 1: teams will value or match the value the Bengals half

436
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Speaker 1: for Tea. I think the Bengals love t and see

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Speaker 1: them as a true wide receiver, one which would demand

438
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Speaker 1: a first round pick and a strong wide receiver class.

439
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Speaker 1: I don't see that ever matching up and happening. But yes,

440
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Speaker 1: I think that they're either option. There are hurdles to it,

441
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Speaker 1: and you've got to get creative with the rest of

442
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Speaker 1: your cap space.

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Speaker 2: Joe Goodbarry is our guest. You can follow him on

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Speaker 2: x at Joe Goodberry. In your free agent simulation, you

445
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Speaker 2: cut Joe Mixon and you cut Nick Scott for cap room.

446
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Speaker 2: I think everybody could understand why they would let Nick

447
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Speaker 2: Scott go, But there's more of a debate on Joe. Obviously,

448
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 2: he was still productive last year with more than fourteen

449
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 2: hundred total offensive yards. Give us your rationale for cutting

450
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Speaker 2: Joe Mixon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it largely comes down to when that new deal

452
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Speaker 1: happened last year, and talking to people when it happened,

453
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Speaker 1: it felt like from what I was told that this

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Speaker 1: would be a one year thing unless he does Unless

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Speaker 1: he performs really well in that contract as a value

456
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Speaker 1: in year two, and he may have. That's the thing.

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Speaker 1: So like I'm kind of debating, like what do they think.

458
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Speaker 1: I actually don't know. Is he going to get cut?

459
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Speaker 1: He has a roster bonus of three million and twenty

460
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Speaker 1: eight dollars a few days after the league year starts,

461
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Speaker 1: and that'll probably be our indicator if they in the

462
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Speaker 1: right away in the tampering period, and then those three

463
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Speaker 1: days if they are talking the running backs, free agent

464
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Speaker 1: running backs, if they sign a free agent running back,

465
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Speaker 1: well then the writing is on the wall and they

466
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Speaker 1: don't want to pay that three million because if you

467
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Speaker 1: do pay that signing bonus or that roster bonus of

468
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Speaker 1: three million, it pretty much locks him on the roster.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna pay a guy that and then cut

470
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Speaker 1: him two three months later. It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: Teams don't do that, so they make those decisions at

472
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Speaker 1: that point. And so I don't think, well, I think

473
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Speaker 1: it could happen because of that. I don't think the

474
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Speaker 1: savings is as big as some people that really want

475
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Speaker 1: to cut Joe Mixon. You get five and a half million,

476
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Speaker 1: but are you gonna spend three and a half on

477
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Speaker 1: a Devin Singletary or whoever it may be, insert any

478
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Speaker 1: running back. Then you're really only saving two million. Is

479
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Speaker 1: it worth it? I mean, you got a guy that

480
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Speaker 1: is consistent that the locker room loves. That is a

481
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Speaker 1: power runner that you don't have on the roster right

482
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Speaker 1: now that if you need it to give it to

483
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Speaker 1: him thirty times, he can handle it. And also he

484
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Speaker 1: never fumbles. So there are traits that I want in

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Speaker 1: the next running back or with Joe Mixon, I want

486
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Speaker 1: a guy like that in the backfield. I just wonder

487
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Speaker 1: if you can find that production from an AJ Dillon

488
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Speaker 1: right that's two hundred and twenty five, two hundred and

489
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Speaker 1: thirty pounds with thighs like tree trunks, and give them

490
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Speaker 1: one and a half two and a half million dollars

491
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Speaker 1: and save a lot of money. And you take that

492
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Speaker 1: money and you put it towards the tight end, you

493
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Speaker 1: put it towards a right tackle, or you put it

494
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Speaker 1: towards the defensive tackle. And is that money better spent?

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Speaker 1: All of the numbers and all the advanced analytics just

496
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Speaker 1: say running back is replaceable, and spending any money there

497
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Speaker 1: is probably not the wisest decision.

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Speaker 2: Joe Mixon was a second round pick. Jeremy Hill was

499
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Speaker 2: the second round pick. Giovanni Bernard was a second round

500
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Speaker 2: pick going way back Corey Dillon. Perhaps the greatest running

501
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Speaker 2: back they've ever had was a second round pick. So

502
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Speaker 2: historically that's been the sweet spot for the Bengals to

503
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Speaker 2: find running backs that have been the running back for

504
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Speaker 2: several years in a row. Do you think that still

505
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Speaker 2: applies or if we hit a point now in the

506
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Speaker 2: NFL where you'll find them in the third round or

507
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Speaker 2: fourth round, or in Isaiah Paiceko's case, the seventh round.

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Speaker 1: You can find those guys late. But the data doesn't

509
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Speaker 1: go that far. It says you still need to prioritize it.

510
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Speaker 1: It's just a down a rung from the other position.

511
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Speaker 1: So second and third round are still the sweet spots

512
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Speaker 1: for that position with the largest hit rate. And if

513
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Speaker 1: you're looking for an impact runner, which I think you do,

514
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Speaker 1: you don't want to just put anyone back there and say,

515
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Speaker 1: hey we're getting three point eight yards per carry, hooray. No,

516
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: you're looking for more. You want the explosive runs. You

517
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Speaker 1: want the guy that can run some routes from the

518
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Speaker 1: backfield and be a difference maker, whether that's with his speed,

519
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Speaker 1: with his pass catching, even past blocking. They could use

520
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Speaker 1: a guy that even specializes in that. And in my

521
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Speaker 1: off season mock, I ended up taking a running back

522
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Speaker 1: in the third round because I do think if you

523
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Speaker 1: cut mixing even signing a low end guy and then

524
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Speaker 1: and I took Deonta Foreman, same draft classes, mixing actually,

525
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Speaker 1: but you know you get them for a million and

526
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Speaker 1: a half to be your power runner beer number three runner.

527
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Speaker 1: You turn around and draft a guy in the second

528
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Speaker 1: or third round, and I think the Bengals would focus

529
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Speaker 1: on that. They value running back, they always have. They

530
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Speaker 1: draft them, even the guys that don't work out Kenny

531
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Speaker 1: Irons right, Chris Perry in the first round. They value

532
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Speaker 1: running back. They see that the guy is going to

533
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Speaker 1: touch the ball second most on offense, and they want

534
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Speaker 1: to trust that guy to be if you have to

535
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Speaker 1: lean on him and he has to carry you for

536
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Speaker 1: a game or two, they want to do that. And

537
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Speaker 1: I think this class, while it's much weaker than last year,

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Speaker 1: I think Chase Brown probably goes. He probably gets second

539
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Speaker 1: third round talk which is where we had him graded

540
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Speaker 1: last year anyways in our process, but he would be

541
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Speaker 1: in the top five or six in this class. In

542
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Speaker 1: this class is a little bit weaker, but there are

543
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Speaker 1: good players on Day two, and I think the Bengals

544
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Speaker 1: would prioritize it should it be.

545
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Speaker 2: Awougie is a free agent. The Bengals have Cam Taylor, Bread,

546
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Speaker 2: DJ Turner, and Mike Hilton. They are obviously going to

547
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: need a corner that's capable of starting. Is there anybody

548
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: out there that you like in free agency?

549
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Speaker 1: Sure? I mean it's a if you want to go

550
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Speaker 1: for the defences, with a Jalen Johnson swing for the

551
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: fences or a lagarious need. I don't think that's where

552
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: they want to play. I think there are some positions

553
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Speaker 1: that they have to say, hey, we're going to go

554
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Speaker 1: with value here, and I think one of them was

555
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: safety last year. I think this year could be corner.

556
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Speaker 1: You have one more year with Mike Hilton on a

557
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: big deal, and it's not even it's been a value.

558
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: It's been actually a great signing for them. But in

559
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: a year you could potentially have three cheap players at

560
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Speaker 1: those positions and cheap safeties, and I think that's part

561
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Speaker 1: of the pie that you have to slice up if

562
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Speaker 1: you're gonna go heavy at wide receiver. They had the

563
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Speaker 1: fifth most expensive OAL lines and D lines last year.

564
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Speaker 1: If you're gonna do that, then you have to go

565
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Speaker 1: cheap at some positions, and they've decided to tight end

566
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Speaker 1: safety and potentially cornered. I do think they would want

567
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Speaker 1: to bring in a fourth guy that can start. I

568
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Speaker 1: don't think it's a guy that has to start. I

569
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Speaker 1: think it's like, Okay, if Turner isn't capable of being

570
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Speaker 1: a every play guy or an every game guy, or

571
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Speaker 1: doesn't take a step in year two, or Cam Taylor

572
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: Britt deals with injuries in year three, again, we need

573
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Speaker 1: a guy that can step into that role. And I

574
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Speaker 1: think every team wants that. So I do think there

575
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Speaker 1: is some a little bit of piece of the pie

576
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Speaker 1: that they could slice off there and retain for that

577
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Speaker 1: fourth guy that's a veteran, and maybe it's we're talking

578
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Speaker 1: four million dollars a year for a Dane Jackson from Buffalo.

579
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Speaker 1: That's what I did in the simulation, and I think

580
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Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense to play all three

581
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Speaker 1: positions and can start for you as needed. Or I

582
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: do think because they've always drafted corners and always find

583
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: a way to see a guy's of value at some spot.

584
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: I do think there is a potential there that they

585
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: draft a corner and whether that's third, fourth, fifth round

586
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: that can come in and potentially be your backup guy.

587
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: And because you know, I probably didn't think this way

588
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: until dj Ivy in that last game got hurt, where

589
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: it was like, man, that's a bummer. You may not

590
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: see that guy to the end of camp or even

591
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: into the season because of how late that injury happened.

592
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: But he looked like he could have been developing into

593
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: that corner four. And now they've got some questions there

594
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to address it, Joe.

595
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: The Bengals made some coaching changes in the offseason. Dan

596
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: Pitcher has been promoted from quarterbacks coach to offensive coordinator.

597
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: Brad Craig thorpe replaces him as the quarterbacks coach. They've

598
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: also brought in Justin Rescatti for a new spot, the

599
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 2: past game coordinator. What if anything, do you infer from

600
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 2: the Bengals adding somebody with that title.

601
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's fun. Number One. I've noticed this

602
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: around the league, Like I've how many teams are saying

603
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: this is a pass game coordinator and I go click

604
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: on him. It's a defensive guy. Wait, this is the

605
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: thing on defense. This is a run game coordinator. This

606
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: is an outside linebacker pass RUSS coach. So we're seeing

607
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: it on the offensive side as well. We've seen run

608
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: game coordinator. Frank Pollack's been that for a few years now,

609
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: and now we're getting a pass game coordinator. What I'm

610
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Speaker 1: inferring from that is what they lost with Brian Callahan.

611
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: They felt that he can replace it, and the Bengals

612
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: break down there and there's a lot of questions always,

613
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: so if Zach Taylor calls plays, what does the coordinator

614
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: actually do? Well, he's the manager of everyone that takes

615
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: part in designing, building and running this offense, right, So

616
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: that was Brian Callahan, But also the Bengals divvy up

617
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: responsibilities within their coaches, like Troy Walters does red zone,

618
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: red zone packages and concepts and make sure everyone on

619
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: the offense knows what they're doing there. Dan Pitcher was

620
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: doing third downs, so you know they divided up that way.

621
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Speaker 1: We have Frank Pollack is the run game o line,

622
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Speaker 1: but Brian Callahan also had blitz pickups and protections. And

623
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Speaker 1: we got a guy here that was a former quarterback

624
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: in Rascotti that also coached offensive line, and I'm like, yeah,

625
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Now we're talking, and he's got a

626
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: video when he was with the Broncos that I watched.

627
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: It was protection. Six man protection, so keeping a tight

628
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: end and keeping a running back in things the Bengals

629
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: didn't do often with Burrow. They like to go five wide,

630
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: spread it out and just say these are our five.

631
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Speaker 1: Let's see what the defense is doing, and let's let's

632
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: pick up the blitzer, pick up the pass rush accordingly.

633
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: But then when they had Browning in there, and you

634
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: see the way the game is changing anyways, when the

635
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: league is changing, more blockers, keeping everything condensed in trying

636
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: to confuse the defense rather than make him declare who's

637
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: coming and going, which Burrow seems to like. But you

638
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: may want to absorb more six and seven man protections.

639
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: We saw when Browning was in there, and it worked

640
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. I think that's going to

641
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: be a next step for this offense. And you're coming

642
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: from a Vikings offense that's heavy on play action, heavy

643
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: on moving your number one ride receiver around and force

644
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: feeding him targets. I think you could absorb some of

645
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: that as well, so it makes a lot of sense

646
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Speaker 1: from we need to replace what we lost in Kalahan,

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Speaker 1: but also what can this guy I bring to the

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Speaker 1: table to help the evolution of this offense?

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Speaker 2: Following up on that, from some of those things that

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Speaker 2: you just alluded to, from a scheme standpoint, what do

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Speaker 2: you think is the greatest need? More play action, more

652
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Speaker 2: under center snaps, more multiple tight ends. Is there something

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Speaker 2: specific that you would most like to see?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all of that sounds great, to be honest, with you,

655
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Speaker 1: being more multiple, being more versatile, being able to go

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Speaker 1: into twelve personnel more often with two tight ends, not

657
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Speaker 1: living in three wide receivers consistently. I understand that's what

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Speaker 1: they're best at. But because you had Higgins and Boyd,

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Speaker 1: I mean, why wouldn't you that number two tight end

660
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Speaker 1: has to be better than Boyd in order to get

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Speaker 1: on the field right or else You're doing yourself a

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Speaker 1: disservice in many ways. But I would like to see

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Speaker 1: so a few things here. I'd like to see speed,

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Speaker 1: elusiveness at running back, but I'd like to see more

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Speaker 1: speed at the receiver and tight end position as well.

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Speaker 1: Can I get guys that can run after the catch?

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Speaker 1: Can I run more bubble screens with other guys. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that's Charlie Jones add some of that with his punt returnability.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's a brock Bowers at tight end that can

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Speaker 1: do these things. But I do think they need to

671
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Speaker 1: get more dynamic playmakers with the ball in their hands.

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00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: The Bengals Jake Browning and Joe Burrow last year were

673
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Speaker 1: the lowest depth of target so yards per attempt in

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Speaker 1: the league in terms of where the ball is being targeted.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is low there. So that's really an indication

676
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Speaker 1: of what defenses are doing to you to really put

677
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Speaker 1: a cap on your offense. So you have to work

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Speaker 1: from underneath and get guys that can make plays after

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Speaker 1: the catch. I think it's a big need for them.

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Speaker 1: But also then you bring it in and condense things

681
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Speaker 1: and run more play actions and try to create explosive

682
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Speaker 1: shot plays that are designed to hey, this is our time,

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Speaker 1: this we're at the fifty, it's first down, it's second

684
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Speaker 1: in short, whatever it is, let's take a shot now,

685
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: let's call it, let's run it now. And they didn't

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Speaker 1: end up in a lot of those scenarios where they

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Speaker 1: could do it, especially when Burrow couldn't go under center.

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Speaker 1: It felt like when we got to that Arizona game

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Speaker 1: and then the forty nine er game, it was like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is now we can see him start to do

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Speaker 1: some of these things they always wanted to before we

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Speaker 1: got hurt, before that calf got hurt. Those first few

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Speaker 1: days of camp, all the clips were getting are look

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Speaker 1: at the RPOs, look at the play action, look at

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Speaker 1: Burrow moving in the pocket and extending plays and booting out,

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Speaker 1: and it was a natural progression for this offense. It's

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Speaker 1: a shame we never got to see it fully happen.

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Speaker 1: But I do think that is a major step for

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Speaker 1: them in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: The Joe Burrow contract extension doesn't really become a huge

701
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Speaker 2: cap hit until next year when it jumps from about

702
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: twenty nine million to forty six million. Does that make

703
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Speaker 2: this year critical in terms of reinforcements because of the

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Speaker 2: cap space.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. I think this is the

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Speaker 1: most important offseason in Bengals history because I think they

707
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Speaker 1: have the quarterback that, in my opinion, should could end

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Speaker 1: up being the best quarterback in franchise history. If he's

709
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Speaker 1: not knocking on the door for some of the young

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Speaker 1: fans that already right. But you have a lot of

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Speaker 1: the talent that you need. You have had it the

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Speaker 1: last few years. To be honest with you, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of sad to look back from twenty twenty one to

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, say, man, they were so close. You

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Speaker 1: know they in alternate universes. There's a ring somewhere on

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's finger already, and so they're at the door.

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Speaker 1: They know what they have. They got the right guy,

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Speaker 1: which I think is step number one for any franchise.

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Speaker 1: Do you have the quarterback? Yes, we do. Do you

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Speaker 1: have the coaching staff around him and the support system

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Speaker 1: around him that can get them to play at his

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Speaker 1: very best and the surrounding talent at their very best?

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Speaker 1: I would say yes. Is for as much frustration as

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Speaker 1: fans have with the offense and think it should score

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Speaker 1: forty every game. Jamar Chase's broken records, Joe Burrow's broken records,

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Speaker 1: They've broken all franchise records, They've broken NFL records. Together.

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Speaker 1: They will continue to do that and exploit defenses throughout

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Speaker 1: the league. And I think a lot of that isn't

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Speaker 1: just their talent. You have to give some credit to

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Speaker 1: the coaches of putting them in position, and the drafting

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Speaker 1: and the organization of putting talent around them, which they

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Speaker 1: definitely have had. And maybe you have your poems about

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, but the weapons have been some of

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Speaker 1: the best in the league. But you are at a

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Speaker 1: reset point and that's not a bad thing. I think

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Speaker 1: that scares some fans when they say, you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to rebuild, and because that has a bad

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Speaker 1: connotation to it. But a reset point to bring in

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Speaker 1: to have that free agency where you get Hendrickson, where

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Speaker 1: you get Reader, where you get a woozy a, where

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Speaker 1: you get Hilton. You have that point here where they

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Speaker 1: have a lot of cap space. They have tremendous cap health.

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Speaker 1: You look at the rest of the league and the

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Speaker 1: teams that they're competing with, and the Chiefs have to

745
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Speaker 1: make some decisions. The Bills are forty million over the cap, right,

746
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Speaker 1: so like these the Ravens, same situation. These teams are

747
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Speaker 1: not in the position you are in if you want

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Speaker 1: to push it, if you want to stretch it. What

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Speaker 1: the Bengals don't really do with the cap, they don't

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Speaker 1: really push it in the future years. It's something that

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00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: I think they can do, but they don't need to yet.

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Speaker 1: They don't have to like these other teams do. They're

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Speaker 1: in a position to load up with new young players,

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Speaker 1: new free agents to twenty five to twenty six year

755
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: old Von Bells signings that are cheap that six million

756
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Speaker 1: dollars a year. You find a guy like that again

757
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: this offseason, and how much better do we feel about

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Speaker 1: whatever position that is that you find that guy. And

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Speaker 1: I think that puts you in position to if you

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Speaker 1: draft well, if you have a nice free agency man,

761
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Speaker 1: you're loaded up again around Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase,

762
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Speaker 1: which is really the key. And I'm ready to go

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Speaker 1: forward and watch that.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned some of the videos that I've watched recently

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Speaker 2: on Bengals on the Brain sponsored by First Star Logistics.

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Speaker 2: What are some things that we have to look forward

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Speaker 2: to coming up in the near future.

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Speaker 1: More film breakdowns. To be honest with you, I really

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Speaker 1: am interested in this offensive tackle class. I'm continuing that

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Speaker 1: with Telly Fuaga was the last one. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: try and get Amarius Mims out of Georgia. He has

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Speaker 1: like eight games starting, so it's very hard to find

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Speaker 1: the tape. I might just have to cut that up myself.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna do free agent breakdowns and profiles guys

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Speaker 1: that I think are interesting because I, like you said,

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Speaker 1: you team, a lot of people are going to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: Chris Jones, why let's go after Chris Jones. I go

778
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Speaker 1: right down to tier three and I say, Okay, who's

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Speaker 1: twenty five and a half years old, who's twenty six

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Speaker 1: years old, who's just now entering their prime? That you

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Speaker 1: can get for a third of the price or half

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Speaker 1: the price Gino Stone at free safety for the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: right coming off a career year, twenty five years old

784
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Speaker 1: in projection at seven million dollars a year, boom sold.

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Speaker 1: Let me get that. Let me get a player that

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Speaker 1: leads the league in interceptions, right, And that's where I

787
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: want to play. And that's where I'm going to get

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Speaker 1: into in the future videos, but also a lot of

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Speaker 1: draft content. It's not just mock drafts. We have a

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00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: whole system with guys I work with and do this

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Speaker 1: with where we score in great prospects, we balance it

792
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Speaker 1: with advanced analytics, and we let it spit it out

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Speaker 1: and we don't touch it. After that, it says, hey,

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Speaker 1: this guy should go in the first round, and we

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Speaker 1: say great, because it's been pretty good for us. Although

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Speaker 1: we tweak it every year, it's fun to see it

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Speaker 1: play out and see how it goes.

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Speaker 2: You also offer exclusive content on Twitter or X if

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Speaker 2: people prefer referring to it as X these days. What

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Speaker 2: do people get if they subscribe?

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Speaker 1: You get one on one interaction and content. If you

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00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: have questions, I answer it. I'll do videos for you

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Speaker 1: right there and there. If someone says, hey, someone asked

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Speaker 1: me earlier, are the targets there for brock Bauers. So

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Speaker 1: I just recorded that, I'm going to send that to him.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I was so prepared when you asked me,

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Speaker 1: because I'm constantly answering questions, turning out content for them,

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Speaker 1: giving my opinion. I try to save my opinion for

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Speaker 1: the exclusive stuff. So I put out the data or

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Speaker 1: the videos or the film whatever if, and that's for

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Speaker 1: everyone on Twitter. And then I'll say, okay, so what

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Speaker 1: does this mean? And I'll go into the subscriber section

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Speaker 1: and I'll just we'll just talk and break it down

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Speaker 1: and have a conversation amongst people that are like minded

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Speaker 1: and want to go a little bit deeper.

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Speaker 2: Joe, you do extraordinary work. I'm a big fan. I

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Speaker 2: really appreciate your time today and I hope we can

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Speaker 2: do this again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Dan for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Joe Goodbarry rave about Georgia tight end Brock Bowers and

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Speaker 2: describe what he could do for the Bengals passing attack.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: The NFL Scouting Combine is coming up next week and

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Speaker 2: draft guru Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network has the

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Speaker 2: Bengals selecting Bowers with the eighteenth overall pick in his

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Speaker 2: latest mock draft, having said that he wrote the following

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Speaker 2: quote file this underfits that I selfishly want to see happen.

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Speaker 2: It's highly unlikely Bowers falls this far in round one,

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Speaker 2: but let's just pause and dream for a moment about

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Speaker 2: seeing him join forces with Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. Unquote.

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Speaker 2: Jeremiah did a pre combined conference call with reporters this week,

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Speaker 2: and here's what he said about Bowers.

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Speaker 3: He's easy to great. I mean when you watch him,

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Speaker 3: he's super easy to gree He's one of the ten

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Speaker 3: best players in the draft. He's size wise, speed wise,

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Speaker 3: I think is going to be very is going to

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Speaker 3: favor Kittle. You know, when you look at him, I

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Speaker 3: think once we get a chance to see him, I

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Speaker 3: don't think we'll see him do much at the combine.

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Speaker 1: I think he might be one that's waiting until the

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Speaker 1: pro day. We'll have to wait and see on that one.

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Speaker 3: But similar size, similar speed, plays with just tenacity, especially

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Speaker 3: with the ball in his hands.

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Speaker 1: That's where he's at his best.

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Speaker 3: In the run game. You know, he can get into guys,

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Speaker 3: he can finish him. You know, he's not the tallest,

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Speaker 3: not the longest guy, so there are times he's not

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Speaker 3: able to quite do that. But you know, everything he

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Speaker 3: does separate easy. He can go get it, he can

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Speaker 3: climb the ladder and go up and get the ball,

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Speaker 3: and then really the run after catch stuff is what

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Speaker 3: makes him special. The challenge is then figuring out where

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Speaker 3: does he go in the draft. And I think when

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Speaker 3: you look around the league and you see most of

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Speaker 3: these top tight ends that have come on Day two

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Speaker 3: or even beyond that, teams are now saying, Okay, we

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Speaker 3: can find that other tight end. Maybe we don't get

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Speaker 3: the top guy, we can get a really really good

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Speaker 3: player who might end up being the top guy without

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Speaker 3: having to pay that premium. And I also think that

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Speaker 3: the Kyle Pitts thing, you know as Kyle Pitts his

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Speaker 3: talent as any tight end that I've ever evaluated, and

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Speaker 3: you know, it's just you're still dependent on the position

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Speaker 3: of the quarterback, so depending on what you can get

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Speaker 3: out of them. So that couple with the money difference,

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Speaker 3: the savings you get by taking a premier position in

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Speaker 3: the top ten, it's tough to place him to know

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Speaker 3: how high he's going to go.

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Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts was the fourth pick in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: one draft, meaning he was taken one spot before the

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Speaker 2: Bengals selected Jamar Chase. Pitts was a pro bowler as

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Speaker 2: a rookie when he topped one thousand receiving yards, but

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Speaker 2: he hasn't put up big numbers in the two seasons

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Speaker 2: since Atlanta's quarterback situation has obviously been a factor. Might

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Speaker 2: that make teams reluctant to use a high pick on Bours.

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Speaker 2: Only time will tell, but the highest selected tight end

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Speaker 2: in last year's draft was Dalton Kinkaid to Buffalo, and

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Speaker 2: that was with a twenty fifth overall pick. I'll be

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Speaker 2: at the combine for a couple of days next week

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Speaker 2: and we'll have some great draft content to come. That's

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