WEBVTT - BREAKING: Trump Fires Attorney General Pam Bondi

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks, it is Thursday, April second. A breaking

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<v Speaker 1>story right now, Attorney General Pam Bondi has been fired.

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<v Speaker 1>And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>We say fired with a nod and a wink and

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<v Speaker 1>a smirk. And I don't know what else we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to share with you some of the back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>and how we all found out, but rogues, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal for the second time. And what a week.

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<v Speaker 1>A very high profile and a high profile female in

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<v Speaker 1>the president's cabinet has been let go.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just going to say, two of the most

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<v Speaker 2>prominent women within the administration, within days of one another,

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<v Speaker 2>have now been fired. And we know that Christy Nome

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<v Speaker 2>has been replaced by a white man, and there is

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<v Speaker 2>now word that the same thing is happening with Pam

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<v Speaker 2>Bondy as well. And look, this is now a pr

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<v Speaker 2>campaign at this point, because look, we talked about this

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<v Speaker 2>on Morning Run today, New York Times and CNN both

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<v Speaker 2>had independent sources and reporting suggesting this was going to

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<v Speaker 2>happen as soon as today, and lo and behold it does.

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<v Speaker 2>But my issue we were just talking about before we

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<v Speaker 2>came on, Look, this happens in every administration. We understand

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<v Speaker 2>that presidents go grow frustrated with or don't like how

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<v Speaker 2>certain members of their cabinet are performing, or perhaps don't

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<v Speaker 2>like how they're being received by the public. Either way,

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<v Speaker 2>this happens in every administration. However, I always find it

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<v Speaker 2>so interesting that people or our administration or our presidents

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<v Speaker 2>don't just speak the truth. They don't shoot straight with us,

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<v Speaker 2>and they try to act as if this is an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing person who's going to spend more time with their family.

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<v Speaker 2>I say that because that's just something people say, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's they've been fired. But there's never an actual acknowledgement

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<v Speaker 2>of that from the administration.

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<v Speaker 1>And we are speaking about that because of the statement

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to that you hear now from the

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<v Speaker 1>President in making this announcement. Again, this had been previewed,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, by multiple news outlets today, but the

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<v Speaker 1>president's officially mate has be known a short time ago

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<v Speaker 1>by posting this on truth Social Again, we use the

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<v Speaker 1>word fired. Everyone has used the word fired. Here are

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<v Speaker 1>the words the President use.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes on Truth's Social he said, Pam Bondi is a

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<v Speaker 2>great American patriot and a loyal friend who faithfully served

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<v Speaker 2>as my Attorney General. Over the past year, Pam did

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<v Speaker 2>a tremendous job overseeing a massive crackdown and crime across

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<v Speaker 2>our country, with murders plummeting to their lowest level since

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen hundred. We love Pam and she will be transitioning

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<v Speaker 2>to a much needed and important new job in the

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<v Speaker 2>private sector to be announced at a date in the

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<v Speaker 2>near future, and our Deputy Attorney General and a very

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<v Speaker 2>talented and respected legal mind, Todd Blanche, will step in

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<v Speaker 2>to serve as acting Attorney General. Thank you for your

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<v Speaker 2>attention to this matter, President Donald J. Trump. My question is,

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<v Speaker 2>does anyone leave a prominent position like Attorney general after

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<v Speaker 2>a year because they have an opportunity to serve in

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<v Speaker 2>the private sector for a lot more money.

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<v Speaker 1>Happens all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay that actually, uh, does I know what I'm asking that?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I did think that that is possible after just

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<v Speaker 2>one year? Is my question?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, bro this okay, I give him credit, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>this is a bit of loyalty. Is to try to

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<v Speaker 1>make it seem or come across as best he can

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<v Speaker 1>the idea to say she's transitioning to something somewhere that

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<v Speaker 1>will soon be announced at a later date. Almost sounds comical.

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<v Speaker 1>It's comical. Fine, and again I give him credit and

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<v Speaker 1>I will on this one if he's trying to just

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<v Speaker 1>make it sound better.

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<v Speaker 2>Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>This was wide reporting to the point of silliness this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I have been in this industry a long

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<v Speaker 1>long time, and it used to be one source was okay.

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<v Speaker 1>He got to the point you need it too. The

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<v Speaker 1>industry standard became three robes. We saw folks like The

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times doing four and more sources about this

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<v Speaker 1>story happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I actually even just read to you. NBC

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<v Speaker 2>News just put out something that said President Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>has grown dissatisfied with Attorney General Pam Bondi and was

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<v Speaker 2>considering replacing her, eight people familiar with the situation said

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<v Speaker 2>before he ultimately fired her on Thursday. Eight people, I've

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<v Speaker 2>never seen that before.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a story like this, somebody that high profile,

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<v Speaker 1>with the high stakes there are in politics, a news

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<v Speaker 1>organization knows better than to just put out some rumor

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<v Speaker 1>or something they heard. Yes, they made sure they asked,

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<v Speaker 1>and they asked, and they asked and they asked. When

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<v Speaker 1>you start seeing The New York Times got four sources

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<v Speaker 1>on this this morning, CNN had three. You're talking about eight.

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<v Speaker 1>The writing was on the wall. The thing, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>robes A lot of people looked and say, well, who

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<v Speaker 1>WHOA wait a minute. She was right by his side yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so she was, And I think we even talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this on his way to the Supreme Court, which

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<v Speaker 2>was the first for any sitting president to go listen

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<v Speaker 2>to the arguments for the Supreme Court, listening to whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not birthright citizenship should be changed or amended or limited.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess is what the President has asked. But Pam

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<v Speaker 2>Bondi was seen traveling with him from the White House

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<v Speaker 2>to the Supreme Court. She was right there with him

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<v Speaker 2>at his prime time address yesterday evening on Thursday evening,

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<v Speaker 2>there she was, And he even spoke of her yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Because obviously these rumors have been circulated, so even as

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<v Speaker 2>early as this morning, President Trump said to NBC News,

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<v Speaker 2>Attorney General Pam Bondi is a wonderful person, and she

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<v Speaker 2>is doing a good job. My issue is, look, I

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<v Speaker 2>understand you don't want to He's doing his best to

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<v Speaker 2>give her the kindest send off possible. But when you

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<v Speaker 2>have sources saying one thing and rumors of a heated

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<v Speaker 2>argument that apparently took place last week between the two

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<v Speaker 2>of them, where you've got multiple sources describing one thing

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<v Speaker 2>and then publicly you're hearing a complete opposite story line.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just again we wonder why there is distrust in

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<v Speaker 2>our government. This would be exhibit A no.

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<v Speaker 1>I give them. Look, yeah, this always happens. Things start leaking,

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<v Speaker 1>sources start talking, and an administration is trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of it, or not to confirm anything, or not

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get ahead of announcement they know might be coming.

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<v Speaker 1>These games get played all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I get that, I get that, and I'm not naive,

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just wondering what would a world look like

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<v Speaker 2>in which you could actually have an administration. Say, Pam

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<v Speaker 2>Bondi is a wonderful person. We think the world of her,

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<v Speaker 2>and her legal expertise is beyond reproach. However, we aren't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily on the same page on a couple of things,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's best for Pam to move on and

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<v Speaker 2>for us to bring in someone who we feel like

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<v Speaker 2>is a better fit for our administration. We wish for

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<v Speaker 2>the best, and there's no hard feelings, but at least

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<v Speaker 2>there's some honesty in there. I just feel like to

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<v Speaker 2>act like she's the best Attorney General ever, She's an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing human being, she did such good work, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>firing her. That doesn't make sense. And I understand, I

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<v Speaker 2>get the pr behind it, but I'm just wondering why

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<v Speaker 2>we can't actually have an honest and still kind conversation

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<v Speaker 2>about moving forward. Or people lose jobs all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>people go in a different direction all the time, people

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<v Speaker 2>get divorced, and they can still say kind things about

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<v Speaker 2>each other. But to not acknowledge, but to not acknowledge

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<v Speaker 2>there was an irreconcilable difference or some sort of issue,

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<v Speaker 2>To not even acknowledge that there was an issue is

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<v Speaker 2>what I always find to be strange. Like we're smarter

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<v Speaker 2>than that, We get it. You can be honest with

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<v Speaker 2>us and still say she's a great person. She could

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<v Speaker 2>be an amazing lawyer and an amazing human being, and

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<v Speaker 2>it still turned out it wasn't the right fit. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>One issue that's going to have to be dealt with

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<v Speaker 1>is if she's going to be showing up what mid April,

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<v Speaker 1>the committee investigating the Epstein investigation House Overside Committee has

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<v Speaker 1>called for her to testify. I believe they do have

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<v Speaker 1>it on the books April fourteen, April for April fourteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>Does this do anything to it? It shouldn't. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter what her status is necessarily, but Garcia, who's on

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<v Speaker 1>that committee, has already said this change is nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was just going to say, can you imagine,

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<v Speaker 2>so she is scheduled to testify, she's been she's been

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<v Speaker 2>compelled to testify April fourteenth, that is next week. If

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump replaced her fired her within days of her testimony,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was the reason why she didn't testify. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you imagine the conspiracy theorists and what would happen if

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<v Speaker 2>that were the case. I can't. I cannot think of

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<v Speaker 2>a scenario in which she wouldn't testify without massive repercussions

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<v Speaker 2>and massive fallout and everyone would say, oh, well, this

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<v Speaker 2>is why he let her go. So I that would

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<v Speaker 2>be insane if she didn't testify.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, now to what you are saying here, now, there

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<v Speaker 1>are plenty plenty of reporting from these NBC news and

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<v Speaker 1>like that this was he's grown frustrated with her for months.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not like just now because she's been called

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<v Speaker 1>in to testify. That is the one argument.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I'm not saying that that's what is true. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying that's what the would be. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the other thing. I thought this was the

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<v Speaker 1>direction you were going to go. What if she's pissed.

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<v Speaker 1>What if she'll say I'll show up on the fourteenth, fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and sixteenth if you want me to, and she decides

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<v Speaker 1>to go scorch dearth any chance.

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<v Speaker 2>No, she's too smart. I don't think she's too smart

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<v Speaker 2>for that. She knows this isn't just about losing an

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<v Speaker 2>administration job President Trump and certainly the folks who support him. No,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to make an enemy of him. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think she's acutely aware of that because she was

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<v Speaker 2>tasked with, many people would say, basically trying to seek

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<v Speaker 2>legal revenge against folks who had done just that. So

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<v Speaker 2>she understands more than most of us do, what President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's appetite is for pursuing revenge through legal means for

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<v Speaker 2>people who have crossed him. So I would think her

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<v Speaker 2>more than most would know not to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So you are, I can't It crossed my mind for us. Second,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you were going in that direction, but that

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<v Speaker 1>there is zero chance for me that that would take place.

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<v Speaker 1>So why exactly that the President's sour on Miss Bondi

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<v Speaker 1>state here will explain what everybody is reporting, what was

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<v Speaker 1>the issue, and why did this have to happen? Now

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<v Speaker 1>stay here, we continue here on Amy and TJ. The

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<v Speaker 1>news just breaking this afternoon that Pam Bondi, the attorney general,

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<v Speaker 1>has been fired by President Trump. He did put out

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<v Speaker 1>a nice truth social post about her, saying that she's wonderful,

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<v Speaker 1>but saying she's going to be transitioning to a yet

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<v Speaker 1>to be named or created or something job in the

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<v Speaker 1>private important. He is a it was a critical role

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<v Speaker 1>in the private sector. Fine and Dandy rose the writing

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<v Speaker 1>on the wall. This is a she might have had

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<v Speaker 1>the most difficult job in the administration because she was

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<v Speaker 1>tasked with going after essentially, hey, go after that person.

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<v Speaker 1>Figure it out legally. That was a pretty tough job

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<v Speaker 1>and that is certainly one of the things people are

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to that led to her demise. But Robes, it's

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you gave, you don't have to wait

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<v Speaker 1>and think that long, and that hard to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>why he might have had an issue with the jobs

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<v Speaker 1>he was doing solid by Epstein.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. Look, she was not able to get indictments against

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<v Speaker 2>folks that he wanted to pursue legally, she went through

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<v Speaker 2>grand juries. They chose not to indict. There was also

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<v Speaker 2>this concept of the Jeffrey Epstein file saga and how

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<v Speaker 2>the files were released when they were released. That was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of on her. And so if there was any

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<v Speaker 2>criticism about the Epstein files release and the transparency of

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<v Speaker 2>all of that and any criticism about it, he can

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<v Speaker 2>just point to her and said she messed it up.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't do it right, correct. I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>That was obviously and widely reported. That was a big

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<v Speaker 1>part of why she is now out of this job.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know where she'll land. Of the lasting memory

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<v Speaker 1>at least I have or I remember her is her

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<v Speaker 1>essentially juxtaposing her confirmation hearings with the last couple of

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<v Speaker 1>hearings she's had on Capitol Hill. There was so much

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<v Speaker 1>good will for her, I would say, in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ways from both sides of the aisle, when they

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<v Speaker 1>greeted her and were respectful to her and the questions

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<v Speaker 1>they asked in her confirmation. I just remember that having

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<v Speaker 1>a particular tone that wasn't like the others, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was frankly, I remember her family sitting there, and I

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<v Speaker 1>felt hopeful that, Okay, they like her. She's she seems sharp.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if she it doesn't matter what I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I was very, very hopeful. And then she had a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of confirmation hearings where she was unrecognizable, at least

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<v Speaker 1>to the woman that we had been introduced to. She

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<v Speaker 1>was combat of, She had a list of things she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to throw back in their faces. She showed up

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<v Speaker 1>there not to answer questions but to be an attack

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<v Speaker 1>dog for the president, and that was a bad, bad

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<v Speaker 1>look for.

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<v Speaker 2>Her on a couple Interestingly, you just said she was

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<v Speaker 2>an attack dog for the president. Right, she was his

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<v Speaker 2>attorney general. You would think that would have garnered some

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<v Speaker 2>support from him. That she was basically taking incoming and

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<v Speaker 2>returning fire on behalf of the president and clearly not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily representing herself in the best flight, but doing it

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<v Speaker 2>in protection of the administration's policies.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody, nobody was applauding her performances. They were shocking robes,

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<v Speaker 1>they were shocking in how she went at them. Doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Democrat Republic just answered some questions. It doesn't robes. We've

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<v Speaker 1>seen a lot of hearings of any kind and senators

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<v Speaker 1>their moments, so you know they're going to do their

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<v Speaker 1>thing for the camera and some sit there and they

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<v Speaker 1>take it and they're fine. But she has a job.

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote, I was shocked, and I was I was shocked.

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<v Speaker 1>So panbody's gone, Christinome is gone. Who's next?

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<v Speaker 2>Who's next? Uh? You know, I don't know, but this

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<v Speaker 2>is It's been interesting to have these two in a

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<v Speaker 2>row so quickly. And we just got word that she

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<v Speaker 2>might be gone what last night yesterday, and boom, less

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<v Speaker 2>than twenty four hours later, turns out it was true.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking maybe even the president, obviously he reads

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<v Speaker 2>the news. He's very aware of what people are saying,

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly with the New York Times and what CNN

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<v Speaker 2>is reporting, I would think that maybe even just to

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<v Speaker 2>say face, he'd be like nah, and he would have

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<v Speaker 2>waited a little bit. I was actually surprised to have

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<v Speaker 2>it happen this quickly given the reporting that was going

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<v Speaker 2>on yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Because that reporting was in obviously accurate. This was imminent.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody was reporting it. So the point wrote, if you

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<v Speaker 1>get that many sources, they've gotten to a point they're

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable enough speaking. Oh oh, this is happening. So Pambondy

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<v Speaker 1>is out after fourteen months at the helm of the

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<v Speaker 1>Justice Department, Todd Blanche taking over in the interim. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>see who gets a gets that most difficult job in

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<v Speaker 1>the administration long term.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the rumors were, at least the I shouldn't say rumors,

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<v Speaker 2>The reports were that the EPA, correct, the EPA secretary

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<v Speaker 2>was the top man potentially for that job. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know much about him at all. Obviously we know Todd Blanche.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the president's former personal attorney, correct, and certainly handled.

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<v Speaker 2>He of course became a household name after the Glenn

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<v Speaker 2>Maxwell interviews, and so he has been very loyal to

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<v Speaker 2>the president. So that makes a lot of sense. But

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of who he turns to next, this will

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<v Speaker 2>be interested because this person will have to be confirmed

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<v Speaker 2>by the Senate. Correct, So this will be a whole

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<v Speaker 2>other process for the President that we will be following

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<v Speaker 2>here as you know. So thank you everyone for listening

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<v Speaker 2>to us. We always appreciate you. I'm Amy Roboc alongside TJ. Holmes.

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<v Speaker 2>We will talk to you soon.