1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cardinal Territory. I'm your host, Katie. We 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: were here with Bernie Michlis, who pointed out Bernie did 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: right before we started recording that the Cardinals have won 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: three count of three series in a row. They beat 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: the Reds on the road, come back for a Bay Area, 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: well northern California homestand take two to three from Oh 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: Two free that's all right. 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: I keep forgetting they're not there anymore. Two free from 10 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 1: the No City A's and two of free from the 11 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: San Francisco Giants, who came in on a heater to 12 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: Saint Louis winners I believe of their last ten of twelve, 13 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: and the Cardinals said not so fast. They won on Sunday, 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: beat the Giants four to three Sunny Great. Was really 15 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: good for five innings, ran into trouble in the sixth, 16 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: but the Cardinals scored four runs in the fifth inniing 17 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: and that was all they needed thanks to a lights 18 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: out performance once again by the bullpen. Bernie. You and 19 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: I will get into that, but first let's just talk 20 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: about how the series was really this homestand going four 21 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: and two here in the first week of September an 22 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: encouraging sign for this young Cardinal squad. 23 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's a it's a strange not a 24 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 2: strange season, but I understand there would be people watching 25 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: us and listening to us, and thank you for doing that. 26 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 2: By the way, that you know, we're going to talk 27 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: about the Cardinals getting back to five hundred for the 28 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: first time since August thirteenth, and you know, winning three 29 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: series in a row, and not none of the series 30 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 2: were really easy. They had to they had to sort 31 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: of dig their way out of a lot of holes, 32 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: you know, losing the opener to the Giants for example. 33 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: I think they lost the opener to the A's, you know, 34 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But they continue to battle, and 35 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: I just want everyone watching us to know. You know, 36 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: I'm not saying anything about, oh, they're so great, Katie's 37 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: not saying that. We know that that's not the goal. 38 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: You know, we know that, you know, franchise with the 39 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: high expectations of the Cardinals, I mean, the standards are 40 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: to win and get to the playoffs, make a run, 41 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: which I don't think was possible this year. But I 42 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: do get it. It's not like anyone's planning a parade 43 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: because the Cardinals are now five hundred again on September seventh. 44 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: But I do appreciate this team in a number of ways, 45 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: and one of the things is they continue to I 46 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: think they now have thirty seven comeback wins this year. 47 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: They're terrific in one run games again this year. Their 48 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 2: bullpen is terrific again this year. You know, there's some 49 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: things despite really shaky starting pitching and despite well an 50 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: offense that eh, you know, kind of eh, it's amazing 51 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: to me that they're seventy two and seventy two, It 52 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: really is. 53 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: I agree, especially when you look at the lineups that 54 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: they were rolling out this weekend. With no disrespect to 55 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: anyone involved, but I mean the Cardinals were without four 56 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: starters and no conturists. Who's finishing out that suspension. He'll 57 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: be back on Tuesday. No Arnatto, no Burlas and O'Donovan. 58 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: We'll have updates for them later on in the show. 59 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: But you had a lineup that had Mason Win as 60 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: a cleanup hitter, Jimmy who has all of I don't know, 61 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: ten days of service hitting fifth, Nolan Gorman at first base, 62 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: Jose for Meen was that third guys playing all out 63 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: of position, and they played a really competitive, gritty series. 64 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: I loved the Jordan Walker walk off on Saturday night 65 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: much more than I loved the Arizona State football game. 66 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: I was watching talk about. 67 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: It, I was watching that. I was watched all I'm saying, 68 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 2: there's cow bells got to them. I'm not using those 69 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: cowboys got to your boys. 70 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: Very disapporting, But for Cardinals fans sake, Jordan Walker had 71 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: that big walk off on Saturday after really like eight 72 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: innings of a pretty boring baseball game, no offense, and 73 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: that escalated very quickly. Loved that Jordan was the one 74 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: who essentially ensured the win. But the story for Sunday's game, 75 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: to me is a story that's been I think the 76 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: most positive aspect of the team all season. It's the bullpen, Bernie. 77 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: I mean, lights out again from Matt Spahnson. Here are 78 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: his stats from July first. I went ahead and look 79 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: this up, not counting coming into today. Since July first, 80 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: eighteen appearances, thirty and two third Indians, he has a 81 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: one four seven ERA that got even lower after his 82 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: performance today. Thirty strikeouts, five total earned runs. I mean, 83 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: he has just been excellent. That's nothing to say about 84 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: Jojo Romero, Riley O'Brien, Kyle Lay. He didn't pitch today 85 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: after a shutdown performance yesterday. But no matter who's in 86 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: this bullpen. And this is what I talked to Allie 87 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: marmal in our postgame session about. We've talked about the 88 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: bullpen all season on how effective they are regardless of 89 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: who's in it. I mean, no, this is not the 90 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: bullpen with Brian Helsley, Filmton, Stephen Mattz. This is a 91 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: bullpen that was expected to regress a little bit just 92 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: based on the players that they got rid of, and 93 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: really I'm just seeing the bullpen continuing to dominate. Bernie, 94 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on how this bullpen has been 95 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: used in particular? 96 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, this is second year in 97 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: a row where the bullpen has been outstanding. He's been 98 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: the best part of the team, and I think the 99 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: manager and the pitching coach have a lot to do 100 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: with that. Now. I know some people will never give 101 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: Ali Marvel credit for anything, and everyone's entitled to think 102 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: as they choose, But when I see a team that's 103 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: too for the second consecutive year, have an excellent bullpen, 104 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: and have an excellent record in one run games and 105 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: outperform their run differential by a wide margin. It tells 106 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: me that the manager is doing really really well with 107 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 2: the things he had that he can sort of control. 108 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 2: In that knowing how to run a bullpen, also knowing 109 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: putting a priority on defense because you've got to pitch 110 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 2: the contact starting staff, you're starting pitching is not very good, 111 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: You're not going to score a lot of runs. So yeah, 112 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: I think Oli Marvel has done a lot of things 113 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: right in terms of understanding there's only there's only so 114 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: many paths to victory for this team, it really is. 115 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 2: It's very The way they can win is very, very limited. 116 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: So in that context, to run the bullpen as well 117 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: as he has the last couple of years, and for 118 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: them to have the great record in close games, uh 119 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 2: that they have had the last two years, it's I 120 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: just think it's really impressive. You know, you can you 121 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: can only do with what you have as a manager, 122 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: and you know, let's face and the Cardinals have had 123 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 2: one of the worst starting pitching starting pitching groups, you know, 124 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: in the majors this year statistically, that's true, you know, 125 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 2: in the bottom five, bottom six the offense has been 126 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 2: among the league's worst and the league as in the 127 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: entire Major since the end of May. So I don't know. 128 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: I mean yet they're somehow seventy two and seventy two. 129 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: I think the manager gets a little bit of the 130 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: tip of the cap. I feel that way, and I 131 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: never hesitate to give give the manager, you know, a 132 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: lot of hell if I think he's screwing something up. 133 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: But the bullpen, you know, let's get back to that, 134 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 2: because I'm taking more of an overview that, Yeah, the 135 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: bullpen has been outstanding again. And I was looking at 136 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: looking at this after the game today in terms of 137 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: where they rank in EER, they're they're basically the same 138 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: that they were before they traded Hellsley, Maton and Mattz. 139 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: I mean, they're still in the top ten as far 140 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: as bullpen era, bullpen performance, not letting late leads get away, 141 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: you know, they haven't. They have with lust the thing, 142 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: even though they traded three guys that were held in 143 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: high respect here in Saint Louis at the time of 144 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: the trade. Correct, that's really great stuff, it really is. 145 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: And then you see what's happened with film Aton and 146 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: Texas has not been nearly as effective as Brian Helsley. 147 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: It's been a disaster in New York with the Mets. 148 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: You hate to see that for both of those guys 149 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: who were good Cardinals obviously length and tenured, vastly different, 150 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: but two total pros and shoutouts Stephen Mattz who's crushing it. 151 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: He's been absolutely lights out for the Red Sox in 152 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: that trade. But I mean, this is something we talked about, 153 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: Bernie as soon as the trade deadline happened, the possible 154 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: regression of the bullpen because it is so inexperienced. I mean, 155 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: you look at the names there, the talents there. The 156 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: Cardinals have been high on Bili O'Bryant since last year 157 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: based on the metrics, what he was showing on the track. Man. 158 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: This is a guy who didn't have a lot of Indians, 159 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: but the stuff was there. Matt Swhonson is a huge 160 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: success story for this Cardinals club this year based on 161 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: what he looked like in twenty three and twenty four 162 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: and the jump and stride that he made. Same with 163 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: Kyle Lahey. Still don't think Kyle Lahy's features in the bullpen. 164 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: I think it is as a starter and I hope 165 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: he gets a fair shot in spring. If that's what 166 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: he wants, that's the Cardinals want to see that. And 167 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: then you have guys like Gordon Griseppa, who I think 168 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: is very close to figuring it out. That stuff, that 169 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: deceptive delivery, It will click. He's got to limit the 170 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: hard contact a little bit more, but that will come 171 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: with experience. Jojo Romero he can close, and he has 172 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: been mostly the only left handed reliever since the trade 173 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: deadline minus a handful of games, and he's kind of 174 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: embraced that role of uncertainty because when you are the 175 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: only lefty, of course you have no idea when you're 176 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: going to be used because it's going to depend on matchup. 177 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: So I agree with you. I think the bullpen management 178 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: has been arguably Allie Marmle's biggest growth since becoming the 179 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: manager in twenty twenty two. It's fun as a beat 180 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: writer because in the first half, we knew exactly how 181 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: how this was going to go. We knew who was 182 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: coming in, what to look for. You had a seventh 183 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: th inning guy, you had an eighth inning guy, like 184 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: you knew when may Tom was coming in. You knew 185 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: when they were going to use mats. You knew when 186 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: Lay he was coming in and Helsley obviously had the ninth. 187 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: We didn't know, oh, how this is going to play 188 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: out in the second half with those guys gone and 189 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: the roles really undefined. So to figure this out and 190 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: kind of watch how Allie and Dusty go through these moves, 191 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: and then the vast conversations that we have pre game 192 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: the next day about who does what, where they fit, 193 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: how their stuff works. It's really cool to watch that 194 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: evaluation and that analysis play out after a move. So 195 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: now we're starting to see today the big question was 196 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: is Riley O'Brien going to be able to come out 197 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: and post back to back, especially night game to day game, 198 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: because we were looking Lay he's unavailable, You already use Sponson, 199 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: you already used Romero, who's going to take the ninth? 200 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: And we saw Brian warming up and we're like, you 201 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: know what, that's something we didn't know about his usage. 202 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: So now we can go from there. The fact that 203 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: the manager and the pitching coach are essentially doing the 204 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: same except their decisions impact the win loss column and 205 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: they're finding success. If there's one silver lining for how 206 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: the season has gone, since the trade deadline. I think 207 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: it's going to be the bullpen. It's a very finicky place, 208 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: relief pitching is, but everyone from the pitchers to the 209 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: coaching staf Off is inn a nice job and making 210 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: sure that the Cardinal's biggest weapon has stayed that way. 211 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: No doubt about it. And Riley O'Brien intrigues me. At 212 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: first of all, Sponson is nasty and he he looks 213 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: like future closer to me. How soon that happens. But 214 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: he's got the stuff to be a closer and the 215 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: stuff physically where he can just dominate hitters. But also 216 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: he's got that persona, he's got that presence on the mount. 217 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: He's a big guy, he's fearless, he's confident. You know, 218 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: he looks like a closer, you know. So and Romero 219 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: has been really terrific this year. You know, once they 220 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: think Dusty Blake corrected a mechanical flaw in his delivery 221 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 2: in late April or so, and lay he's been a horse, 222 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: and you know, on and on and on. O'Brien intrigues 223 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 2: me because he came here with the rep as a 224 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: guy can throw really hard. But other than that, no 225 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: one really was really sure what to make of him, 226 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: and he's had a lot of injuries and talking to 227 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: Cardinals people along the way about him. The one thing 228 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: that you know, I was told by more than one person, 229 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: which is, you know, he's got the stuff. I don't 230 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: know if he believes in himself. Part of it's because 231 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: he's had injuries, and so he's used to sort of 232 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: getting his heart broken because he's hurt again, and or 233 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: he'll have a bad outing and it kind of crushes 234 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: his confidence. What they I think, what they really really 235 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 2: appreciate about him is the growth that they've seen in him. 236 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: He handles that adversity better now, Like today, I mean, 237 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: the ninth thing he could have blown up on him. 238 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: It could have, you know, the first guy gets on, 239 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: you know, and it's a There's been a couple of 240 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: situations where it could have blown up on him. But 241 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 2: he keeps his composure. He's more confident now. I hate 242 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: to use the cliche, but he trusts his stuff. He's 243 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 2: got enough weapon, He's got enough to get out of 244 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: any kind of jam. You know, he can overpower hitters. 245 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: He's more resourceful now. I think they've done a really 246 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: good job bringing him along because he's an entirely different picture. Listen, 247 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: as you know, I mean, there's a million guys that 248 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: can throw ninety eight. That doesn't make you special anymore. 249 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 2: It can be an advantage, it doesn't guarantee anything. The 250 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: hitters know how to hit the hard stuff now. But 251 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: he's really evolved in terms of his confidence, his belief 252 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 2: in himself, and that's a really good sign for him 253 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: and for the Cardinals going forward. 254 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: Agreed, Especially, you know how volatile relief pitching is, and 255 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: the pitching depth in general for this organization not exactly 256 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: as strong too, as you and I both know. 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Wilson contrasts that will be official tomorrow. 292 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: Wilson contrasts that will return from his suspension on Tuesday. 293 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: Another move will have to be made at that point 294 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: because the Cardinals you can't play with a full roster 295 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: when a player suspended, so the Cardinals been playing with 296 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: twenty eight instead of twenty seven. This is big news 297 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: for Burlison, and luckily he's only missed the minimum with 298 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: the Cardinals that we're expecting. But Brittany, when you're thinking 299 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: about how Alec Burlson can finish this season, what would 300 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: you like to see from him? He's had a great year. 301 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's about twenty twenty five percent better 302 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: than he was last year. Offensively, it's because he's swinging 303 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: at more strikes. He understands the strike zone from in 304 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: terms of what he can hit in the strike zone. 305 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: He understands what he can tee off on rather than 306 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: just kind of make contact, you know. So he's really 307 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: matured in that way. He's get smarter by the day. 308 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 2: I'm just going to be really general here. The thing 309 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: I want to see is what we didn't see last year, 310 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: him finishing strong. I don't know whether he was a 311 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: little tired towards the end of the season. I really 312 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: don't know the root of that, but he really faded 313 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: down the strat and I think he's much better equipped 314 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: to handle that this year. I think he learned from 315 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: that fade last year late last season, and so I 316 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 2: just want to see him finish strong because I would 317 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: be It would raise some questions, I guess, is the 318 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: way to put it. Maybe that's fair or unfair. It 319 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: would raise some questions in my mind anyway, that for 320 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: the second year in a row, he's built up a 321 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: really good season and then all of a sudden just 322 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: fizzles out. Last year was over the final six weeks 323 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: or so. This year it would be, well, just the 324 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: final month. It would raise some questions like, well, why 325 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: can't he put a full season together. So listen, I'm 326 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: in his corner. Don't get me wrong, but I want 327 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: to see him finish strong. 328 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: I did too, and you know I think bur Listen. 329 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: We talked about this a lot on the show. He 330 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: is a key supplementary piece. No one needs Alibert Listened 331 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: to be the face of the Cardinals, nor should he 332 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: be expected to be right, but he is. He has 333 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: power from the left side, he has a good contact bat, 334 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: He's a more than serviceable defender. He's put in a 335 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: lot of work to be at that place. Having players 336 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: around Burlson will make him play up more so, credit 337 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: to him. I think he and Herrera, when you think 338 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: about the runway players have really taken this opportunity and 339 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: connected with it. You know what to expect from Alec 340 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: Burlson next year, and he's established that for multiple seasons now, 341 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: and you know that he can go out and repeat it. 342 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: So I'd like to see him finish strong. I'm with you, Bernie. 343 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: I think he will be a pivotal part of this 344 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: club that has arguably not in No, they have too 345 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: many left handed hitters. Burlison is not an issue, though, 346 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: so I think it's safe to say that he has 347 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: solidified himself with this club going forward. Donovan Ronado some 348 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: status updates with them as well. So they have been 349 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: in Saint Louis working out. Nolan Arnado has been here 350 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: all weekend. They are going to stay in Saint Louis 351 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: for the next couple of days. Take some live vps 352 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: here at Bushtadium against John King, who is also about 353 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: to potentially begin to rehab Brendan Donovan should start his 354 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: rehab assignment on Tuesday. Nolan Ronado should start his rehab 355 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: assignment on Wednesday in Springfield. That might change. If it does, 356 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: I'll be sure to let you all know. The hope 357 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: is that both players can be back soon. Ronado has 358 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: the more definitive timeline. The Cardinals are looking at having 359 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: him back before the next homestand which is our final 360 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: homestand so you're looking at around September fifteenth, before the 361 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: three game set against the Reds. Top to Nolan Ronado 362 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: on Friday with the media group, and this is a 363 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: guy that really remarkably has not spent a lot of 364 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: time on the injured list, and he said, if he 365 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: had to go and read do it, this is just 366 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: his fourth stint on the il in thirteen years. He said, 367 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: if you had to go overund and do it again, 368 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: I probably would just would have went on the il 369 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: when I first hurt my fingers. So, in case we've forgotten, 370 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: Nolan Arnado's on the ail right now with a right 371 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: shoulder strain that he sustained from overcompensating a right index 372 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: finger strain. So he was holding the bad difference swinging 373 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: the bat different. Didn't want to put a lot of 374 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: pressure on that finger, and what happened was he messed 375 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: up the whole right side of his arm. So he said, 376 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: in hindsight, essentially probably would have just took time when 377 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: I heard my finger. That was probably the biggest mistake 378 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: I made. Usually you just play through things, that's what 379 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: you're taught to do. But that was a mistake I made. 380 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: I didn't really evaluate myself the proper way. He said. 381 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: The good news is this year hasn't felt great physically, 382 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: but it didn't feel like old age injuries. I just 383 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: got to get out there, show who I am, show 384 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: that I'm healthy, and hit the ball hard again. That's 385 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna have to do when I'm really focused 386 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: on those things right now. So obviously It's not been 387 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: a good season for Nolan Arnatto. He'd be the first 388 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: to say that. Defensively, he's still one of the best 389 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: there is at the hot corner. Offensively, took a major 390 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: dip again and the injuries didn't help. He missed well 391 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: at this point almost six weeks, he'll have missed of 392 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: the second half and that's not what you want for 393 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: a guy that the Cardinals are probably going to look 394 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: at training over the off season again. But he will 395 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: be back. He will have hopefully two weeks to finish 396 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: the season strong. Donovan as well. It's going to create 397 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: another log jam. Well this means for playing time for 398 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: Nolan Gorman, Thomas to JC Nathan Church. Not sure we'll 399 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: have that kind of figured out over the next week 400 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: or so, but for this Cardinal's team to get back 401 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: to full strength over the next few days, that's really encouraging. Look, 402 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: they're probably out of the playoff picture. They're four and 403 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: a half games out right now from the Mets, who 404 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: have the final spot, but they have a chance to 405 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: play spoiler. And the fact that they've been able to 406 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: kind of just hold steady with a bunch of their 407 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: starters out, that's encouraging to me. 408 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they you know, they they took a piece 409 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: out of the Reds who were hot, and you know, 410 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 2: we're having hopes of being that wildcard team. The Cardinals 411 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 2: won a series for them. They like the Giants, as 412 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 2: you mentioned earlier, were on fire when they came to 413 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 2: Saint Louis. They had won ten out of eleven, I think, 414 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 2: and the Cardinals certainly damaged the Giants playoff hopes. So yeah, 415 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: they've they have that underdog mentality. You know, they've won 416 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: seven out of their last ten. Un seven of the wins, 417 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 2: or I should say five of those seven wins have 418 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: been comebacks. So if there's any has anybody wondered whether 419 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: they have any inclination to pack it in just say well, 420 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 2: we're just about over. Let's just get this thing over with. No, 421 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 2: they're not doing that, and I admire that. And some 422 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: people will say, well, that's what they're supposed to do. Yeah, 423 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: I get it, But a lot of times teams don't 424 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: do that when when they're down and out they've got 425 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: no chance really to make the playoffs. So this team 426 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 2: continues to battle and fight. I appreciate that they grind 427 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 2: away despite their limitations and their problems. I appreciate that. 428 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: I mean, you mentioned it earlier, you know, when you 429 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: got Win bat and forth. Today it's J C. Fifth, 430 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 2: I forget who was sixth. Yeah, I mean, all due 431 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: respect to those fine gentlemen, but wow, right, that's not 432 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: that's not. 433 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: What for as talented as he is, it's not profile 434 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: as a cleanup hitter by any means. 435 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 2: You know, Katie, I want have to say one thing 436 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 2: about the injuries, if the one there's one thing. I 437 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 2: hope I'll leave Marvel changes for twenty twenty six, and 438 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: I'm very confident he'll be back as a manager. I 439 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 2: know you feel the same way. And he and I 440 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 2: have talked about this, and I can't change his mind, 441 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: so it's not up to me to change his mind. 442 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: We've seen this now with two players, two key players, 443 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: Donovan now Iron out of And by the way, this 444 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: isn't a first guess because or a second guest, because 445 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 2: I was saying it at the time, and I was 446 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 2: saying it kind of loudly. Actually, when when you have 447 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 2: guys that are clearly injured and they're only going to 448 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: make it worse by playing performance wise and also at 449 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 2: the risk of complicating their injury. It happened with Donovan. 450 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: This guy had one little ailment after another. He was 451 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 2: clearly playing in pain. He said when he finally went 452 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: on the IL, that the reason why he felt he 453 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: developed a growing injury because he was overcompensating for the 454 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: toe injury and a couple other injuries, and so then 455 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 2: he had Then he had a long absence. Same with Aurnati, 456 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: I was. I appreciate his candor saying I should have 457 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: taken care of this when I had the broken finger 458 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 2: because it led to problems with my shoulder over compensating. 459 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 2: I don't understand any manager that just has this attitude, 460 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 2: which like, well, if the player tells me he can plays, 461 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 2: if he's one of my veterans, he's gonna play. Why 462 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 2: if after if shutting him down, a player down for 463 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 2: three or four days or one ten day stent on 464 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 2: the IL is going to take care of an injury 465 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 2: issue once and for all, then you get it behind 466 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: the player would get it behind him, and then when 467 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 2: he's returned, he's fresh, he feels good, he's ready to go. 468 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: Two times the two of their key guys this year, 469 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: they just basically let the player call the shots and 470 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: the player succeeded in developing a new injury because of 471 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 2: the first injury led to the second injury, and both 472 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 2: of these guys led had extended as you point out, 473 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: extensive absences where it could have been it could have 474 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: been nipped in the butt. I just don't understand it. 475 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: I won't be able to change Ali's marm on this. 476 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: Maybe Heim Bloom will, because frankly, it makes no sense. 477 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: If a guy's hurt, he's hurt, right. 478 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: I think some of it as a testament to the 479 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: players who don't want to come out of the game. 480 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: You've seen that is not coming out of the ballgame. 481 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: When he went to go celebrate with Jordan Walker after 482 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: the walk up on Saturday, we should note that May 483 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: when flying out to greet Jordan Walker, was one of 484 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: my favorite holestome moments of the season. I thought, I 485 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: was like, Mason, oh my gosh, you are going to 486 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: get hurt. That man is twice your size. But I digress, 487 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: Like Donovan doesn't want to come out of the game, Nolan, 488 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 1: you have to drag him off the field to come 489 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: out of the game. So some of it is the 490 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 1: player's choice, but I do think you know players, I 491 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: admire them trying to grind it through. Almost every baseball 492 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: every baseball player is dealing with pain, and it is 493 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: something that's not right. That's part of the game, but 494 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: it has cost them and I think part of the 495 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: reason why the Cardinals as an organization have been hesitant 496 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: to place guys on the IL is because they just 497 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: don't really feel like they have anyone in Triple A 498 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: that can come up and help or on the forty 499 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: man roster, which is a bigger problem. As we have 500 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: discussed plenty of times on the show. If you don't 501 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: have depth, serviceable depth. I'm not saying that all stars 502 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: in your forty man roster, but serviceable, usable major league 503 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: caliber depth, that is a bigger problem on the state 504 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: of your organization. So that might also play into that 505 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: point as well. 506 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 2: Bernie right and real quick. One thing I will say, 507 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 2: at least at least uh they got a chance to 508 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: take more a long look at at Gorman at third base, 509 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: which I think was good because he started to playing 510 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 2: third base pretty well. He's shaky, shaky first yeah, I 511 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: kept telling everyone, well, you know, can can we can 512 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: we give the guy a few minutes. He started like 513 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: twenty six games in the big leagues at third base 514 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: before this recent stretch of a lot of games. Can 515 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: we give him fifteen minutes? Maybe? You know, everyone was 516 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 2: you know, like just destroying them online and everything, but 517 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 2: they got a chance to see, you know, can he 518 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 2: play third base? I think the answer is yeah, it 519 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 2: looks like he can play third base and be fine. No, 520 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 2: what's saying he's Aronado? But who the heck is right? 521 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: I mean, for so you know, I hear people say that, 522 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: well he's not Aronado. Wow, what a what a scoop 523 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 2: that is? You know, it's like and then the other 524 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: thing they you know, they got they got a chance 525 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: with Donovan May. Now they got a chance to take 526 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 2: a long look at the jac There's some things you 527 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 2: really like about him. There's some things he clearly needs 528 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: to worry But the point is that playing time for 529 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 2: him was good, that was healthy, that was meaningful to 530 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 2: play all of that time. So for a team that 531 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 2: is in the runway reset the transition to whatever, you know, 532 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: you don't want to see players get hurt. But when 533 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: they did get hurt, at least it gave them a 534 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 2: chance to take a more extensive look at some of 535 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: their younger players, and that's there's something good came out 536 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 2: of it in that regard. 537 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: You're spot on, Bernie. I couldn't agree more. All right, Well, 538 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: look ahead towards the Cardinals Mariners thriller coming up in 539 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: the next three days. 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The second to last road trip, the Cardinals 562 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: will do three days in Seattle, their longest flight of 563 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: the year, and off day in Milwaukee, one of my 564 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: favorite cities as we know, and three games against the 565 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: first place Brewers. In Seattle. You'll get Miles Michaelis on Monday, 566 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: Matthew Libertor on Tuesday, Michael McGreevey on Wednesday. Those are 567 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: all night games, specifically for you Central time folks. Those 568 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: games will start at eight forty pm. I've never been 569 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: to Seattle. This will be my twenty seventh stadium, so 570 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm almost to thirty out of thirty. I'm super excited 571 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: about this one. It's fun and a little bittersweet to say. 572 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm running out of first major league cities, so I'm 573 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: excited to go to Seattle and as much seafood as 574 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: I can and maybe potentially watch the baseball. I will 575 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: not be eating those weird cricket things, though, that is 576 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: something that I already know, Chip and Brad. For those 577 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: of you who missed it, we had a show with 578 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: Hip Hary and Brad Thompson Voice of the Cardinals television 579 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: broadcast last Friday. Check it out. I can see them 580 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: just enticing me with that offer, so that will be 581 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: a hard no. That's also like, thankfully they did not 582 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: do this to me at course Field when they tried 583 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: to get people to try the Rocky Mountain Oysters. That 584 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: would have been a hard pass from me. Absolutely not, especially. 585 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 2: If they didn't tell you what Rocky Mountain oysters really were. 586 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: Well. See, sometimes like Brad specifically has a little mischievous 587 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: look on his face and I can recognize it and 588 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: like there's an ulterior motive here. You're not going to 589 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: get me. Thank goodness, this broadcast booth has the good 590 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: Ricky Horton to temper everything out because those two Chip 591 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: and Brad are animals so well. 592 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 2: Seattle is one of my favorite cities in the world. 593 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely love it, adore it. I don't travel much anymore. 594 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 2: I haven't traveled in terms of media for a long time. 595 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: There are some things about it I missed. Going to 596 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: Seattle is one of them. And you know the freshest, 597 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: finest seafood and just about anywhere in the United States. 598 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 2: I mean, and this is coming from a from a 599 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: dude who grew up like twenty minutes from the Chesapeake Bay, 600 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 2: you know. But no, it's fantastic. So yeah, don't don't 601 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 2: eat any gimmick food. Don't fall for that. You know. 602 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I appreciate their sense of humor. I 603 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: really do. 604 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: They are very funny. 605 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: But you know, no, no you don't. You don't. You 606 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 2: don't despoil Seattle by trivializing with all this like you know, 607 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 2: practical joke food. You don't need to do that. 608 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: But something I'm excited about, really besides crossing off another 609 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: ballpark off my list, is that t Mobile Park. They 610 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: drop hot dogs from the sky, like seventh or eighth Inny. 611 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: They just have these little like parachute, many parachutes, and 612 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: the hot dogs fall from the top of the dome. 613 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: That's like my dream. Are you kidding me? I'm walking 614 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: on the concourse and a hot dog just falls into 615 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: your hand. Are you pretty good? 616 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 2: Seattle needs to be a regular postseason team. 617 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: Yes, Hey, you know what, let's enjoy five hundred while 618 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: we can because the Seattle team is legit. Obviously, the 619 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: Cardinals will love to mess that up. But they can bang, 620 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: they can mash. 621 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: So yeah, and I'd say, like, and the Cardinals fans, 622 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: let's say their wildest dreams, like the three guys starting 623 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 2: in the series for Seattle, that's what you hope the 624 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 2: hind Bloom regime will cultivate develop where they're going to 625 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: be able to line up three pictures like that. I 626 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: can't give you a year. I don't know how long 627 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: it'll take. It could be sooner or later. It could 628 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 2: be sooner because because you know Matthews and Liam Doyle, 629 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 2: and you know, they might have two of those guys 630 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: kind of in place, not at the major league level, 631 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 2: but they're the expectations they will be. But that's Seattle 632 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 2: has just done an incredible job with starting pitching. And 633 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: I look forward to watching these games because I haven't 634 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: watched Seattle that much, but to me, they're an example 635 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: of kind of where the Cardinals need to go, because 636 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 2: there have been times where Seattle's offense this is this 637 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 2: year is different, but there have been many times where 638 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 2: Seattle's offense has been kind of like you know, and 639 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: but they've had so much pitching to cover for that, 640 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: and I hope that the Cardinals can do seventy five 641 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: percent of the job that the Mariners have done developing 642 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 2: starting pitching. 643 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: Well, the good news here is Matt Pierpont, the organization's 644 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: director of pitching. Hider of the off season came from 645 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: the Mariners. So if you would like to see an 646 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,479 Speaker 1: indictment of Matt Pierpont's work, go ahead and check out 647 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: the next three games. You'll probably like what you see. 648 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: There was a reason the Cardinals targeted Matt or I 649 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: think they call him Pont. I don't know what it 650 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,719 Speaker 1: is about baseball where you can only have one nickname 651 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: and it's one syllable. 652 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: In hockey it's always jonesy. 653 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you always have a y at the end. In 654 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: hockey baseball it's one syllable or it's like your initial 655 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: and then a shortened last name. 656 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 2: Like yeah, why is that? That's interesting? The two different cultures. 657 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: I guess sports are weird. Sports are weird, Bertie, but 658 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: we love him. 659 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would it would be he would be in hockey. Yeah, 660 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 2: Like if he was working for the Blues, he would 661 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: be uh poncey Yep. 662 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: Exactly, he'd be pon exactly. 663 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty sure. 664 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll have some fun guests lined up 665 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: over the next week, Bernie, and I back with you 666 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: as always next week as well, Cardinal Territory. We are 667 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: rapidly approaching the end of the season, so thanks for 668 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: sticking with us. We've had some highs, we've had some lows, 669 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: but hopefully this was a weekend you were able to enjoy. 670 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: I thought it was a very a strong showing for 671 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: the stat in this ball club, Bertie. Anything you got 672 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: coming up that you'd like to. 673 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 2: Promote, no, no, I just had to want to say 674 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: one one thing before we go. I thought that the 675 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame induction ceremony was fantastic. I thought Joey 676 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: jackety and I remember him running around the ballpark like 677 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: a you know, like a seven or eight year old. 678 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 2: Uh that that Uh. I was hoping that he was 679 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: going to read his father's letter. Walt wrote that when 680 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 2: he was literally dying, and it was when when he 681 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: got the call from the Cardinals. He was deep he 682 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 2: was deeply moved, and he was crying. Walt. He was 683 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 2: so happy because he he knew he was going to 684 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: the Hall of fame. He really wanted to be in 685 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: that Hall of fame, and at least he knew. He 686 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 2: knew that before he passed away, and he was so motivated. 687 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 2: He had no energy. Uh, he was feeling very poor, 688 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 2: and he insisted on writing that. And so I have 689 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: this scene in my in my mind of you know, 690 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 2: Walt Jockety just laying in that bed, but full of 691 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 2: life because he wanted to write this letter and put 692 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: his heart into that. And I know Ashley, his daughter, 693 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 2: helped out because Walt was very, very sick. But anyway, 694 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 2: to watch that yesterday and to see, you know, Joey Jocketty, 695 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 2: who did such a great job handling all that and 696 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: reading his father's note and also adding his own remarks 697 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 2: Joey and getting choked up, I kind of lost it. Yeah, 698 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: I got to admit, because I love Walt Jockety, and 699 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 2: I kind of lost it. I thought that it was 700 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 2: a beautiful, beautiful thing, and it touched everybody's emotions in there. 701 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 2: And on a side note, I thought Al Raboski was fantastic. 702 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 2: I really appreciate Edgar rentaia him him kind of you know, 703 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 2: battling through. 704 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: Uh. 705 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 2: He's always been very self conscious about he doesn't spank 706 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 2: English very well as a player. He wouldn't give interviews 707 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 2: because he was like embarrassed or something, and we would 708 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 2: tell him, nobody cares, man, you know, nobody you're If 709 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 2: you're good, you're good. So I thought everybody did you know? 710 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 2: I thought they were three excellent additions. But boy, just 711 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: Walt Jockety Joe Jockety that that that just pulled at 712 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 2: your heartstrings. I mean, there's no doubt about it shorty way, 713 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 2: but thank God that Walt is in there and I 714 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 2: and I'm glad that the dewitch got that done before 715 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: Walt passed away. Anyway, that's I just wanted to I 716 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 2: didn't want to let the weekend pass without mentioning that. 717 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: It was an exceptional ceremony. The Cardinals do a wonderful 718 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: job with their Hall of Fame ceremony. It was actually 719 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: able to attend this year for the first time, but 720 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: honestly shout out to the Cardinals coaching staff and the 721 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: players who moved their media and clubhouse times so that 722 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: most media members were able to go. Usually they coincide, 723 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: and I was really moved by the history, the emotion, 724 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: and it made me think Wow. I can't wait for 725 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: Saint Louis to get back to this, the Red Jackets 726 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: coming in. I mean during the speeches, I was in 727 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: the in the stands with some fans and they were 728 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: cheering along with different references and different plays, and it 729 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: just reinforced like we don't need we know this, but 730 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: to be in those events and to hear just how 731 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: much this fan base appreciates good baseball. I can't wait 732 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: for good baseball to return back to Saint Louis. So 733 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: congratulations again to Alabroski at Edgarantia and of course the 734 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: great late Walt Jockety for their well deserved inductions into 735 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: the Cardinals Hall of Fame. And shout out to the 736 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: Cardinals who continue to do one of the best jobs 737 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: in baseball and honoring their greats. And they have plenty 738 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: to honors. So twenty twenty six could be a big 739 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: one and number four will be eligible. He was here 740 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: this week and always good to see Audio Malisia. 741 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 2: Is it number five going to be eligible as well? 742 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: Number five as well, so they might have to move there. 743 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if our villages want to hold that. 744 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,240 Speaker 2: They're also have to change to bylaws or whatever, because 745 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 2: right now they've whittled it down, only one modern era 746 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 2: play gets in. Listen. I'm on that committee, and I 747 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 2: can speak for everyone in the committee when I say, 748 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 2: don't ask me or us to pick one over the other. 749 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 2: They both have to go in next year. They have 750 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 2: to the hell with your rules, screw the rules. 751 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: Sorry, They're both going in. 752 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, I think I think the 753 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 2: Dewitz are on board with them. But anyway, and then 754 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 2: then it'll be waiting right after that. So there's gonna 755 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 2: be a couple of Powerhouse uh uh, you know, a 756 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 2: couple of Powerhouse years in a row. Uh. This was 757 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 2: just the startup and man Pools and Molina at the 758 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 2: same time. 759 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: Wow, get excited, Cardinals fans. 760 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 2: Pretty good stuff, all. 761 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: Right, another week of baseball awaits on the road for 762 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: Bernie mcholas. I'm Katie Woo. Thanks always for watching Cardinal Territory. 763 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: We'll catch up with you soon. 764 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 2: M h.