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Speaker 1: now your hosts Isaiah Stanback, heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips

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Speaker 1: Again an offseason edition of your favorite show on Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com. We are raring to go. We have

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Speaker 1: to talk about it. Yes, sir, when do we go

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Speaker 1: get out pitches of you and blue bonnets? Its blue

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Speaker 1: I want Rob Philip's face plastered all over somebody sitting

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Speaker 1: in blue bonnets. It's a great has to be. I

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Speaker 1: Rob Pi on Rob Pie Island laying in a whole time.

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Speaker 1: It's a Rob Pe Island in a blue yes season,

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Speaker 1: what what did we start here? What did you start here?

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Speaker 1: I'm not watching. He would love doing that, of course

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Speaker 1: He's doing everything you guys, can you finish right here?

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Speaker 1: A job blue bonnet? Oh nice? That the rails right away? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was good. Get joke. By the way, I've got

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Speaker 1: a shout out a friend of the show Jerry Smith

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Speaker 1: was out at Kroger last night and I guess I

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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. He's been like a day one listener, even

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Speaker 1: before we were on the show. When when when it

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Speaker 1: a shout. Was that a subtle brack right there? The

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Speaker 1: I like that Happy birthday. Lorena points. Yeah, so I

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Speaker 1: They're very dependable, right, they're contributors. Why would you let

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Speaker 1: right now it seems like sabotage offseason, you know it

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Speaker 1: how do these guys drafted? And if you're the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: you're looking in your cupboard and saying, like, what do

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Speaker 1: we need? I know we're from the outside looking in.

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Speaker 1: We think they need everything, but they have an idea

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Speaker 1: be names that you you want to hear, but those

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Speaker 1: are your guys. Now, all right, we're gonna say offensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: that's what we need. But what are we still in

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Speaker 1: the hybrid tweener guy or we're going guard center? Are

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Speaker 1: we saying monified we need a left tackle because that's

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Speaker 1: another position? Yeah, we are. We need bonafide a left guard.

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Speaker 1: This is how we're gonna shore up this position. Or

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Speaker 1: as everybody work, when we're thinking one direction the front

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Speaker 1: office is and we are going to get a stud

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Speaker 1: in the middle of our defensive line or a linebacker.

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Speaker 1: It's just so much to be answered, and the moves

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Speaker 1: that they're not making is really what's confusing you the

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Speaker 1: most because you're like, you have nobody in your wide

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Speaker 1: receiver room, nobody. Is this a trade down draft for

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys? Yes, unless they see a guy that they know,

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Speaker 1: Like if Dan Quinn Mike McCarthy say, this is a

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Speaker 1: guy that we have to have, We've identified and we

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Speaker 1: have to have him, it may be a trade up draft.

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Speaker 1: The last last time they did something like that was

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen with Travis Frederick. They were picking twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four Sharif Floyd was a guy that they were connected,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, traded down, got an extra third, got Terrence

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Speaker 1: Williams in the third round, and took Travis Frederick at

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Speaker 1: thirty one. And I think it was in part because

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Speaker 1: they thought they could get him there. But maybe it's

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Speaker 1: a situation. We got a mailback question about that, like,

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Speaker 1: if you feel like we can get our guy, or

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Speaker 1: there's a group of clump of prospects that we feel

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Speaker 1: good about getting any of them at whatever pick you

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Speaker 1: trade down to, that's an option. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: deeper draft because there's more prospects this year, right, I

464
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Speaker 1: think it's more likely to trade down than it is

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Speaker 1: to trade up. But HECKMA brings up a good point

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Speaker 1: because they're doing their their research. They're bringing in these

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Speaker 1: top guys. Jordan Davis should not be there at twenty

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Speaker 1: four defensive tackle, but he was brought in. He's a

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Speaker 1: thirty visit guy who's who was in the in the room,

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Speaker 1: same thing with a Drake London wide receiver out of USC.

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Speaker 1: He's not necessarily a guy that should be there at

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Speaker 1: twenty four either. They're doing these this research. Charles Cross,

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Speaker 1: offensive tackle from Mississippi State. A lot of people think

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Speaker 1: he's a top ten lock. He was here, well, Cede

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Speaker 1: Lamb was the top ten lock as well. They talked

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Speaker 1: to him at the combine for fifteen minutes, didn't have

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Speaker 1: him on a virtual visit, didn't have he was not

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Speaker 1: even in part of their mock drafts leading up. So

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Speaker 1: you have to always be ready for those things, I guess, yeah.

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Speaker 1: But the fact is that they used three to five

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Speaker 1: visits out of these thirty visits on guys that are

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Speaker 1: obviously going to be to reach or I mean, as

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Speaker 1: much as you can say, no matter no matter what

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Speaker 1: they do. And I said it last podcast that he

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Speaker 1: has to come in and be ready to play. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna trade out, if you're gonna trade down,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be for a guy that can play immediately.

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Speaker 1: There's no developmental situation in Dallas. You get picked first,

489
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Speaker 1: you're playing. If you're trading down, you've got to be

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Speaker 1: confident that there are five guys there, then Josh want

491
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Speaker 1: to be there. Josh Ball was like a fourth round pick.

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Speaker 1: He's a fourth round pick. Let's not get carried away.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Begottish played as a fourth round pick. But he's

494
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Speaker 1: the exception, not the rule. He was a starter halfway

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Speaker 1: through his rookie years. But that's a great point. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's still I mean, you have a lot of

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Speaker 1: options there, you just not calling them out. Josh Baul

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Speaker 1: at the moment, kind of like cal Heckmo was saying,

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Speaker 1: Balls your swinging tackle right now, right this second, Josh

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Speaker 1: Ball is probably your swing tackle. I haven't seen him

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Speaker 1: do anything, so I can't speak to but he barely

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Speaker 1: put on pads camp and got hurt. So yeah, so

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Speaker 1: we need to go to Yeah, I'm gonna take a

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Speaker 1: Thanks man. I've had a lot of great input and

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Speaker 1: learning from from people around the building. So what's your question, Rob?

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Speaker 1: You teased it. We're talking about we're talking Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just want to are you over the discussion from a

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Speaker 1: And I know I'm crossing over from the Draft Show

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Speaker 1: because I know you guys have discussed this, But like,

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Speaker 1: which is deeper? Which I mean, is there one of

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Speaker 1: those two spots where you feel like we guard specifically? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like we can't wait past the second round? Maybe offensive line.

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Speaker 1: You cannot wait if you don't get an offensive line

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Speaker 1: in the first, maybe the second. If you get lucky,

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Speaker 1: there's a starter in the second. You're not getting a

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Speaker 1: plug in play offensive lineman outside of pick fifty six

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Speaker 1: you and you may even have to get lucky. I

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Speaker 1: pick fifty six if you're going to draft a starter,

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Speaker 1: plug in play, which is what we've talked about on

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Speaker 1: this show, what we talked about on the Draft Show,

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Speaker 1: if you're drafting a plug in play guy who's going

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Speaker 1: to come in and start as a left guard or

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Speaker 1: a center as a rookie, you gotta get him in

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Speaker 1: the top forty five picks. If you want to be

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Speaker 1: a lock wide receiver, you can get a plug in

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Speaker 1: play wide receiver all the way to the third round.

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Speaker 1: I think in the eighty eight range you'll have a

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys like at fifty or at eighty eight. David

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Speaker 1: Bell out of Perdue a technician route runner. He's a

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Speaker 1: mix if he wasn't necessarily late. And let me find

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Speaker 1: his numbers. He's both had him in our mock drafting

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Speaker 1: we did Friday, Yeah we did, and that was not

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Speaker 1: planned by any means. But I mean he ran a

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Speaker 1: four or six five forty, which is really low for

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver. But he runs great routes on his film.

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Speaker 1: He has good hands, he can catch in traffic, he

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Speaker 1: does a lot of those things. His numbers are going

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Speaker 1: to knock his stock a little bit. If he's there

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Speaker 1: at eighty eight, he's most likely going to be the selection.

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Speaker 1: So I think you can look at offensive line in

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Speaker 1: the first maybe the second round. Wide receivers open all

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Speaker 1: could fall to the fourth and he still might be

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Speaker 1: a number one, even though a number one would be great.

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Speaker 1: If you wanted to go get a guy in the

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Speaker 1: first round, do it. If you fall in love with

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman that you're not in love with. Go get

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Speaker 1: the guy you you think will be a high, high caliber,

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Speaker 1: high quality player. However, you can get starters later in

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Speaker 1: the draft. And the name I keep here is Green.

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Speaker 1: From from me, Kenyon Green, Yeah, Kenyon Green. Some of

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Speaker 1: the other some of the other guys may be Linderbaum

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Speaker 1: who's a center guard type as well. But from from

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Speaker 1: those guys that you are listening, even you're talking about

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Speaker 1: cross that can't miss from twenty four? Are you saying

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Speaker 1: of your draft board or maybe what the front office

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Speaker 1: we're not moving from this. I think there's three names there.

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Speaker 1: One of them is a hope, and that's Tyler Linderbaum.

638
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: I have no smoke where Tyler Linderbaum could be a pick.

639
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: I have not heard a single thing from the front office.

640
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: There hasn't anything here. Yeah, which might be a right thing.

641
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: Linderbaum would potentially be. He would be the camp Miss

642
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: guy out of that group of guys at twenty four,

643
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: specifically because I don't really know if Charles Cross is

644
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: going to be there at twenty four. He play one position, yes, center,

645
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: and he does it very well, does it exceptionally well.

646
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: He's Jason Kelsey two point zero. He's gonna be a

647
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: good center, little undersize, but he's gonna be fantastic for

648
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: years to come. Ken Yon Green and Zion Johnson are

649
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: those other two names. Green out of Texas A and

650
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: m Zion Johnson out of Boston College. But along with

651
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: Tyler Linderbaum, those are the three names that are up

652
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: at the top of the draft board because of their

653
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: their fit in terms of the twenty to thirty range,

654
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: and of course they're fit with the Cowboys where they

655
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: need a guy on the offensive line. I think all

656
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: three of them are starters. I think all three of

657
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: them are capable to come in and be better than

658
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys had a year ago at the left

659
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: guard or center spots, depending on where they're selected. I

660
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: don't necessarily think you can find that later on. I'm

661
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: just going just real quick. I just was going through

662
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: the Cowboys history this century drafting guard to find a

663
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: plug in play guy to take your to borrow your phrase,

664
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it has to be in the first two rounds.

665
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: It's I mean it's been Zack Martin in twenty fourteen.

666
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: That's pretty good pick. Huh. Yeah, it worked out pretty good.

667
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: I mean Connor Williams stepped in right away in twenty

668
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: eighteen second round pick. And you can go beyond that, man,

669
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: you gotta go all the way back. I think to

670
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: two thousand and two with with with Andre Garad. You

671
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: know that one worked that pretty well too, huh. Guys

672
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: like Doug Free stepped in played fourth round, but it

673
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't right away. So at that position when

674
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: they've hit on guys, it's been in the first whatever.

675
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: You know, sixty picks. Does that make you feel better

676
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: about the situation or no, no, it doesn't. And the

677
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: reason it doesn't, No, it doesn't. And to think about it,

678
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: Linda Baum, I'm told on him, you know, because of

679
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: what we had from Beyondish And I know that everybody

680
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: all of a sudden is taking a pass on Beyotish.

681
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: But when you invest that kind of time in developing

682
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: a guy and you he gets to the point where hey,

683
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: he's actually he's turning into something. He's got a full

684
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: more you know, four years more of lifting, weights, nutrition,

685
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: all those things under this belt. Can he be what

686
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: we need him to be? He came out of college,

687
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: You were high on him. He has all of the

688
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: same accolades as the other guys. You're saying, is it

689
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: can't miss prospect go to guard, because your guard is

690
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: going to be the guy that's going to be the

691
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: driving force of your offensive line. We have that with

692
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: Martin on the other side, but we we've just been

693
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: lacking in that area. If that's a if that's a

694
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: we need this, we gotta have it. This is where

695
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: we are at twenty four, twenty four pick twenty four

696
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: are if we can't get it in the second round,

697
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: that's that's my only point. Is it more important? I

698
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: feel like this is pertaining to a center position. Is

699
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: it more important to plug your holes with draft picks

700
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: or is it more important to upgrade? Yeah, that's the

701
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: question that you're having to ask with these two positions.

702
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think you need to play your holes. Yeah,

703
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: because I've been asked that question specifically because I am.

704
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm very high on Tyler Linderbaum. He's my number nine

705
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: player in the draft. If he's there at twenty four,

706
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: he's best player available for me. However, somebody has asked

707
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: me the question previously, and they're saying, would you rather

708
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 1: have Tyler Biottish playing as a starter? Would you ever

709
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: rather have Connor McGovern playing as a starter, Because at

710
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: the moment, unless you get back up in the top

711
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: forty five picks and use your second round pick to

712
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: go up and get somebody that you like that falls

713
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 1: maybe one of these names that we're talking about. Unless

714
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: you do something like that, that's the decision you're making.

715
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: Who are you replacing. You're replacing Connor McGovern at left

716
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: guard or Tyler Biattash at center. And honestly, I'm looking

717
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: at Connor McGovern as that guy, as the guy who's

718
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: not going to be the better player out of those two,

719
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: I would feel much more comfortable with Tyler Biottish having

720
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: to be a starter in twenty twenty two rather than

721
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: having Connor be governed in that regard. I agree, then

722
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: Green is your guy than Green or Green is my guy,

723
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: and Zion Johnson's who I think will be the guy.

724
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: If I had to put a guest and I put

725
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: this out on my mock draft on Dallas Cowboys dot com,

726
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: if I put a guy there, it would be Zion Johnson.

727
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: It would be that would be who the pick would be.

728
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: Right now, any teams you worry about jumping you and

729
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: grabbing either guy in the early twenties, late teens, No,

730
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: because I think if somebody's gonna jump in this draft,

731
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: they're gonna go get a quarterback that they like, because

732
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: they mean, I mean, just mean picking in front of

733
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: twenty four oh picking in general, not trading enough. I

734
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: think the Eagles could maybe snag them. I think the

735
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: Cardinals need an interior offensive lineman. If they go and

736
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: get that, they need all offensive lineman. If we're being real,

737
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: they could grab the tackle. They could draft a guard,

738
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: a center. So I think an offensive lineman will probably

739
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: be off the board at twenty three, which could be

740
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: one of those names. I think the Steelers will probably

741
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: go with a maybe a quarterback at that point. Eagles, Chargers, Saints, Cardinals.

742
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: Those are really the teams up at the top that

743
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: I think could take those guys that we're talking about

744
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: with Zion Johnson and Linderbaum and Kenyon Green. Those are

745
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: the areas of worry that I have because you know,

746
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: Hellman's big thing is he wants a receiver at twenty four.

747
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: He always I mean, it's more are fun, it's more fun.

748
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: It is more fun position. And it mainly though because

749
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: the quality of player, the chance you could get a

750
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: just a better player that plays wide receiver. There my

751
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: my issue, and that's why I asked about down the line,

752
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: like he's her. That's a that's a need. Offensive line

753
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 1: is a big, big need. So how long can you wait?

754
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: That's my Questioneah, outside the top forty five, you're you're

755
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: getting lucky. No, I can't wait. Can't so offensive line

756
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: unless you signed a guy after the draft. But at

757
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: this point, who you sign it it's just gonna be

758
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: plug and play and you feel great about it. It's

759
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: pretty i mean pretty dry. Wait until point where. I

760
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna be a that's really really it

761
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: looks gone drive well. And if they go wide receiver,

762
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: if they go wide receiver in the first round and

763
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: they are just tear your hands up, hey, your hands up,

764
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: forget about it. I mean they are sold on the

765
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: guys that they have. And McGovern is starting to stop this.

766
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: Come up. What happened to your twenty or twenty nineteen

767
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: first round pick? What happened to it? Traded it for

768
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: a Marine Cooper twenty in nineteen? Yeah, twenty twenty. What

769
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: happened with your first round pick? Oh my gosh, it

770
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: was Ceedee Lamb. I mean, you've two of the last

771
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: three years have been wide receivers that have been taken

772
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: in the first round. Why three or four? I don't

773
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: I don't think I make it three. I don't think

774
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: you have I mean, you're not going to get the

775
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: same caliber player if you wait. But they've shown they

776
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: can draft Michael Gallop in the third round. It could

777
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: be a starter. Like, I just think you can wait

778
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: on that position, maybe more so than offensive line. And

779
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: once again, you don't need a number one. You got

780
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: to give Ceedee Lamb a chance to be a number one.

781
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: You gotta give Michael Gallop five years, sixty two million

782
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: dollars deal that's out there and let him roll with it.

783
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: You can go get a number three guy and he's

784
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: gonna give you plenty of production. Doesn't matter who you

785
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: put in this system, right, it doesn't matter. That's that's

786
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 1: kind of what I'm leading to to a certain extent.

787
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: I mean, and you say that's stochastically, Yeah, that's the

788
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: that's the way the organization, the way you're thinking. And

789
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: they've look, I don't I won't say devalued the wide

790
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: receiver position, so to speak. But they're just saying that, hey,

791
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: we don't need a guy to come in here twenty

792
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: million dollars a year and not give us the production

793
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: we need. They're setting presidents for that. If you're gonna

794
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: be get paid twenty, you're gonna produce like a guy

795
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: that's getting paid. You lost your one, you're four and

796
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: year six, it's a lot of production just walked out

797
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: of the door. One you're one, year four and year

798
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: six walked out as good as a two. A lot

799
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: of absolutely, and he's going to be that when his

800
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: number two coming back to That's the other question. Oh yeah,

801
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: so you have a number two and he'll be back.

802
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: But when you know is how what's training camp looked like,

803
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: what's the first month of the season looked like. But

804
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: names we hadn't talked about, We hadn't talked much about Zeke,

805
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: We hadn't talked much about where Dak takes the next level.

806
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: I mean, you knew ate him seventy five million dollars.

807
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: He has to make the next step as a quarterback

808
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: to that game changer. Neither one of those guys, heck

809
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: Man can do what you or anybody else in caliboyization

810
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: expects them to do. If you don't feel the gaps

811
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: at the office, no, I feel you one, So so

812
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that we can just we're

813
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: not disregarding the conversation. It's just that their success is

814
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: dictated on who they put up front. So, which is

815
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: why we're all in a green, is that they need

816
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: to pick a dog on guard. Not a swinging guard,

817
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: but a guard. Yeah, that's what one of those guys

818
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: are going to be. A guard. They played multiple positions

819
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: in college. But Zion Johnson and Kenyon Green don't get

820
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: it wrong. Don't get it twisted. They are guards. That's

821
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. If you're talking about going out

822
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: on the limb and getting a wide receiver at one

823
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying, this is what you need to build.

824
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: Throw the whole cake away. And I mean Kyle said,

825
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean some of the visits that are being reported

826
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: that they're talking to guys. I mean, that's what throws

827
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: me off. That's what I'm not listening. I refused to

828
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: I've refused. It's not really reports that were in the building.

829
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: I mean that you invite a lot of people. I

830
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: just I just mean, we're not putting out the full lists.

831
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: No we're not there. But no, I hear it. The

832
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: full list will come out. Thought it's out. The list

833
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: is out. The list we didn't put it out. It's

834
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: out there. Oh yeah, but inside trading, no somebody. We

835
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: like our jobs. But the whole thought process behind it

836
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: was why are there's so many first rounds. I mean

837
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: Chris Olave, Drake, London, Trailing Burks were all guys up

838
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: at the top of that list. I mean we even

839
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: got to report it on the Blitz because they were

840
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: all up at the top of that list. And the

841
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: scouting apartment, scouting department or the front office is like, yeah,

842
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: go ahead, talk about it. I just want to say

843
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: a lave. I love him, I think great, great wire receiver.

844
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: But there's a guy behind him next year that really us.

845
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: You just kind of chill out and wait till he

846
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: comes out. You just like Jackson Smith and Jacko because

847
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Speaker 1: does more because he's right. You know what? I was

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Speaker 1: I don't wear a reading glasses or anything like that.

904
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Speaker 1: You know, because I got this X ray vision. But um,

905
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907
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: With that, explain your turnover percentage in college? It was

908
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Speaker 1: lowest interception percentage in the whole freaking University of Washington history.

909
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: Tell you that much Washington's never really had great quarterbacks.

910
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Speaker 1: They didn't want that. I bet they never knew that.

911
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Speaker 1: You never divulged that either, right, I yeah, what's that? No,

912
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a ring. I'm going t keep you

913
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Speaker 1: keep your interception percentage low. I want to you know

914
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Speaker 1: what's funny? Funny? Here we go, funny quote. So when

915
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Speaker 1: back in college, right, my wife was actually she wasn't

916
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Speaker 1: my wife back then, obviously, but she was dating a

917
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Speaker 1: defense alignment back at the time on my team, and

918
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Speaker 1: so she was alo she was off limits for like

919
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Speaker 1: ten years. All right, But you know statue limitations. But

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Speaker 1: once that, you know, excided, I was inserted myself back

921
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Speaker 1: into the conversation. Married your teammates. What this is? Stale said,

922
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Speaker 1: there's statue. It's a statue. Don't drop anything around. What

923
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: I was getting at is that she hated me as

924
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Speaker 1: a quarterback in college. Really yeah, as a quarterback. She'd

925
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: hated me because she said, I will always run. It's like, well,

926
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Speaker 1: I was running for my life and did you tell

927
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Speaker 1: I can't see colors that you're running for your own teammates?

928
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Speaker 1: But she hated to this day, she's like, I hated

929
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Speaker 1: you as a quarterback. I was like, well things, man,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate thanks so much. Supports something about you every podcast. Hey,

931
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Speaker 1: nine touchdowns, six interceptions in two thousand and five eleven

932
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Speaker 1: games started Isaiah stand back, then went on to two

933
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Speaker 1: thousand and six, played in seven games, had ten touchdowns

934
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Speaker 1: and three or seven Hello, So before your injury, you

935
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Speaker 1: somehow I made the wall mean. I mean, Hey, amongst

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Speaker 1: the just I was vaulted names of Jake Browning and

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Speaker 1: Keith Price and Jake Locker Kyle, I mean, is a

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Speaker 1: gentleman by the name of Cody Pickett who was up

941
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Speaker 1: for the Heisman when I first got there. It's true,

942
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Speaker 1: it's really freaking started three years war, right warm Moons

943
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Speaker 1: seventy six and seventy seven. He were brothers. The picket

944
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Speaker 1: still owns the single game passing performance. He's a beast

945
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Speaker 1: now four hundred and fifty five yards of one game?

946
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Speaker 1: Can we change? Can we change your Wikipedia page? I

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Speaker 1: don't know how to do that. I don't you guys.

948
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Speaker 1: He's in like the old New England Patriots gear. He

949
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Speaker 1: probably I had no neck diesel back. Do you ever

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Speaker 1: touched you? I've never touched it. I didn't know. You

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Speaker 1: don't know how to I think anybody can get on

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Speaker 1: there and edit. Did you see you see those shoulders

953
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Speaker 1: right now? Like the wooden coat hangers from like I

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957
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Speaker 1: So do you know get you? Let me ask you

958
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Speaker 1: the sized you know? Do you know the most passing

959
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Speaker 1: yards you had in one game? I think it's Notre

960
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Speaker 1: Dame game. I think, m ring the bell? What is it?

961
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Speaker 1: Four hundred? Now? Was Mario cal three oh one? No, no, no, no, no,

962
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Speaker 1: go to Notre Dame top passing performances in the games

963
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: three hundred yard passing mark twice three fifty three? My bad? Yeah,

964
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Speaker 1: and then cal Cal was three h one Notre Dame

965
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Speaker 1: three fifty five. How about the Irish show passing total

966
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Speaker 1: the fifteenth most ever at Washington was terrible. Yeah, we

967
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: had some bad teams back then. That's okay. You were

968
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Speaker 1: great on the NC Douaba football video. It was a beast.

969
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Speaker 1: People still come up to me to this day about this.

970
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Speaker 1: Use you all the time. Yeah. That was the fastest

971
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: quarterback in the country at the time. So it was

972
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: right after like Vince Young kind of like emerged as

973
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: a video game star because you could you could have

974
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: a dual threat. And then Isaiah was the next man.

975
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: It is that game coming back within it now? Yah?

976
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: Can we can get it back now? Yeah? As you're

977
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: going to roll, all right, let's talk about the secondary.

978
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: Final ten minutes here of talking Cowboys, I say a

979
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: stand back Washington football legend, Tema Harrison or Texas football legend,

980
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, because he calls the football legend, I'm Kyle

981
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeoman's secondary hasn't necessarily been in that conversation in terms

982
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 1: of cornerbacks safety because of the guys Cowboys have returning,

983
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: it looks like at this cornerback spot, Treyvon Diggs of

984
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: course leading the way, Anthony Brown, Jordan Lewis all returning

985
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: along with some newcomers like Kelvin Joseph and Nayshaun Wright.

986
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Speaker 1: That we're picked in the top one hundred of last

987
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: year's NFL draft, then it's safety. You've got Jay Wren, curseback,

988
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,959
Speaker 1: Malie Cooker's back on a deal, Donovan Wilson still mulling

989
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: around there in the backside of the defense. Is the

990
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: secondary set Rob, or is it kind of tinkering on

991
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: the edge of being an actual need in the future.

992
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: It looks pretty set to me because they didn't change anything.

993
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: You know, they got Treyvon Diggs, they got I mentioned

994
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis earlier, they got Anthony Brown on the outside

995
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: and potentially Kelvin Joseph pushing him like they thought could

996
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: happen as early as last season. And Malie Cooker now

997
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: projects as a starting safety with with Jayron Curse kind

998
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: of playing safety, linebacker, whatever you want to call it.

999
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean to me, it's it's I can't say this

1000
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: a lot over the last few years, but the secondary

1001
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: looks about as stable as any position on the roster

1002
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: right now. Oh God, do you say that again. I

1003
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: want to hear it. I'm knocking on it. Right The

1004
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: safety secondary looks about as staple as any position on

1005
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: the roster right now. I mean, they didn't really change anything, so,

1006
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: I mean, and and you've got young players that you

1007
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: hope a sind like that's that's what you hope for

1008
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: at a lot of positions, and that's not really the

1009
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: case at other positions. The only thing they changed was

1010
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: their numbers. Yes, changed, Yes, Jordan lewis wearing number two,

1011
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's wearing number three, and I just got used

1012
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: to seeing him in a different number. And now that's

1013
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: the third time he's changed numbers. Is that what it is?

1014
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: He went from twenty six to seven, threw me off. Man. Yeah,

1015
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 1: do you think they changed because of Digs changing the seven?

1016
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: And man, I can single digit? People think they can?

1017
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: Single digit looks cooler, It look cool. I don't know,

1018
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: but it makes it difficult as all. Heck, for somebody

1019
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: watching the game, maybe that's why they did it. They

1020
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: see seven out there thinking of wide receiver. Look, you're

1021
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: throwing to the wrong color jersey. You're having Isaiah stand back. Exactly,

1022
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: that's a problem here, Exactly. I told you guys all

1023
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: last season be confident in Anthony Brown didn't. But but no,

1024
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: what he came out and he proved all of the

1025
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: NASA is wrong. He had a strong camp. I mean,

1026
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: aside from Heckman was cutting the guy after the Tampa

1027
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: Baker man, I mean Antonio Brown like, it's still running. Okay,

1028
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: You're not wrong, It's still running right now when they

1029
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: shut it off, he's still He's still going. He'll go okay.

1030
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: But I mean, that's what you had. And he started

1031
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: to compete oh the season, and you obviously with Travla Dickson,

1032
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: the job that he did last year, man, it's no

1033
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: comparison to the work that he put in. But on

1034
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: the other side, we were thinking that man, he may

1035
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: be the Achilles heel of the defense, and he ended

1036
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: up not being that. I know we're supposed were talking

1037
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: about the secondary, but I forgot that he on Neil

1038
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: signed somewhere else as well, So we're down to two.

1039
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: I feel like you're just trying to find something to

1040
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: be mad at. I'm not. He's in Tampa. Yeah he left. No,

1041
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm just didn't really do anything. Three linebacker. Sorry, I

1042
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: don't know much about that. Jabril Demante Bond, but Jabril Cox,

1043
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: have Luke Gifford, Luke, and then you have Micah and

1044
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: they they viewed j Ron as part of that mix, honest,

1045
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: because he's in the box so much. But I'm not

1046
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: saying they got great numbers, but I'm saying that, you know,

1047
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: they don't feel as crazy about it as others might.

1048
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: This is one of those times, like you and I like,

1049
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm numbers aren't great. They're not as good. I mean

1050
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,959
Speaker 1: last year that looked like the deepest position on the team. Yeah.

1051
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: So how's Jabrill Cars Do we have any reports on him?

1052
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: Should be ready to go start of the season, that's

1053
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: the goal, like John Lejon, Yeah, yeah, Well, Kelvin Joseph

1054
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: is the guy in this whole mix that you want

1055
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: to be a contributor. You want him to push Jordan Lewis,

1056
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: you want him to push Anthony Brown. Uh, this is

1057
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: he didn't. I mean, there's a lot of stuff I

1058
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: think when I think of Kelvin Joseph, this is this

1059
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: is going to be important for him huge, you know,

1060
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: if he wants to mature, be the player that the

1061
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: organization thinks that he is he is because they put

1062
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: a lot of things and is on his plate and

1063
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if he handled it, handled it very

1064
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: well in his first year, but he has to show

1065
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: the organization that he's matured. I say in your heart, no,

1066
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: but your heart says no. My heart says no because

1067
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how can you talk about willing's willing

1068
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: to do these things? How willing is he to make

1069
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: changes within himself and be a professional. It's one thing

1070
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: would be in a college athlete, but then when you

1071
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: get to this level, who's a pro? And I don't

1072
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: know if he's that, but I don't know him on

1073
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: a personal level. But everything that he projects doesn't project

1074
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: I'm a pro, Kyle, what's it say in your heart

1075
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: in regards a boss man? Fat, I'm kind of right

1076
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: there with you. But he has to produce because I mean,

1077
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: look at the look at the last second round picks,

1078
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: most recent second round picks that cowboys have put out

1079
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: there on the table, and look at the history. Trayvon

1080
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: Diggs in twenty twenty, he's certainly produced. Connor mcg or,

1081
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: excuse me, Tristan Hill in twenty nineteen. He hasn't necessarily produced.

1082
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: He's still here. But are we confident in Tristan Hill?

1083
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: Is he kind of an afterthought? Absolutely, He's not one

1084
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: of those guys at the top. Connor Williams was a

1085
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: starter second round pick in twenty eighteen, should obi a

1086
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: woozier second round pick in twenty seventeen. Starter, Jalen Smith

1087
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen starter even after an injury, Randy Gregory twenty

1088
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: fifteen starter, to Marcus Lawrence twenty fourteen starter, he's got

1089
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: a contribute because if not, he's he's gonna be an afterthought.

1090
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: But in your heart says, what right this second? No? No,

1091
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: I think I think AB's still the guy there. I agree.

1092
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean he can't take a step because when

1093
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: he played late in the season you saw flashes. But

1094
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: I think talent. I'd leaned towards his experience. Yeah, he

1095
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: has all the talent in the world, So what's stopping

1096
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: him from taking the next step, Why don't they trust him?

1097
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: I asked the question. I mean, and and look, he

1098
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: did have He got in a full training camp, so

1099
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: you can't say, oh, he didn't have an off season,

1100
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: but he did miss six games with a growing injury

1101
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: that set him back. So you know, hopefully another full

1102
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: and hopefully it's a full off season, no COVID restrictions.

1103
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: That's what everybody's hoping. But prior to that injury, did

1104
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: you how did you feel? He did not? I mean,

1105
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: he wasn't impressive. He got hurt in the jack the

1106
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: final preseason game against Jacksonville. It was obvious that ab

1107
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: was the starter. He didn't win that job for the injury.

1108
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: That's that's the one thing he has to take that

1109
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: second year, agree that second year jump, or else he's

1110
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: he's a afterthought in the room. And if if he

1111
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: would have won that injury or excuse me, won that

1112
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: battle prior to the injury, Anthony Brown may not be

1113
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: the cowboy this year. He may not be here. You

1114
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: may have saved the five million dollars that would that

1115
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: was probably the plan when they drafted him. Correct honestly, yeah, yeah,

1116
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: I have him or Jordan. I mean one of the two.

1117
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: Sure Terrence Steele is the reason why Allow Collins is

1118
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 1: in here anymore. Really, I mean the main reason why

1119
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: salary man and the suspension in the Yeah, that didn't help.

1120
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're you got a guy who's

1121
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: on a undrafted rookie contract versus saving ten million bucks

1122
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: who played just as well or better at right tackle,

1123
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: I mean some mean, some decisions you just make easy

1124
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: for people. I mean, that's just one of them. But

1125
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: he crossed my mind. We were talking about guard. It's like,

1126
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: you really think he couldn't have played guard because if

1127
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: you moved Collins to guard, yeah, you're not saving money,

1128
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: but maybe you wouldn't be worried about guard at twenty four.

1129
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: I'm just I agree with you, but I think there

1130
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: was some injury. They don't clearly didn't think he could

1131
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: do it. They don't think he can play. Cincinnati thinks

1132
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: he can play. No, I mean, and then moved to guard. Yeah,

1133
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: but but I mean they could cut him straight out.

1134
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: They cut him straight up, and they didn't really save

1135
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: him a ton of money. Maybe did this year, next

1136
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: year not so much so. But Kelvin Joseph at the

1137
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: top of the list in terms of guys that need

1138
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: to take that second year jump. I mean, I'll name

1139
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 1: some of the others. Zo Sakizoo, Chauncey Golston, Nashan ridgerbrol Cox,

1140
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: Josh Ball, send me Phoko, anybody there. I mean above Kelvin,

1141
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: Joseph more pressure to take a second year jump. Chauncey,

1142
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna be right in the mix. I mean, we

1143
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 1: you lose Randy Gregory, We're still chasing from the edge

1144
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: position we have ever since DeMarcus Ware and I don't

1145
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: care what anybody says, I agree, we have been chasing

1146
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: this position. And we finally get a young crop in

1147
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: here that goes into dan Quinn's rotation and Chauncey Ghost

1148
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: and he did produce, but you know next year you're

1149
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: going to ask a lot more of him, especially if

1150
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: they don't go in those first three picks and get

1151
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: any defensive help. Yeah, that's a good one I'll throw.

1152
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: We mentioned Josh Ball earlier. And because whoever wins that

1153
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: swing tackle job, history says you're going to be a

1154
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: starter at some point this season. Tyrn Smith is probably

1155
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: going to the Hall of Fame, but he missed five

1156
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: games last year. Fourteen games a year before. You know,

1157
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 1: he missed six games last year fourteen, and then three

1158
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: games for four straight seasons twenty sixteen through nineteen. I mean,

1159
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: you have to be prepared for that, you know so,

1160
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: And unless they draft a guy or sign a veteran

1161
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: to fill that role, it could be Josh Ball. And

1162
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: just lastly, I just want to say, when it comes

1163
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: down to this draft, I know we're leading right up

1164
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: to it. The tight end position is so important and

1165
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's enough emphasis being placed on it.

1166
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: And I know out the tag on Shoult we got

1167
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: sprinkled back, but we are going to have to get

1168
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 1: a guy that can block in here, that can do both.

1169
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: I've not made it a secret that George Kittle is

1170
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: one of my favorite tight ends, and it is because

1171
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: he is Conan the destroyer at the tight end position,

1172
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: and in Kelly Moore's offense, if he has that at

1173
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: the tight end, he can do anything. It opens up

1174
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: everything that he wants to. It's a great point. Yeah,

1175
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: there's some steam, there's some momentum heading in your way

1176
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: of Charlie Koehler out of Iowa State. It's a little

1177
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: bit of momentum heading that direction. Fourth, that's a Dalton

1178
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: Scholtz round. You know you can find a tight end

1179
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: six six, two fifty. It's moving that direction and there's

1180
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: some guys. Or you could go with a Jilani Woods.

1181
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: He's a resolutely massive six foot seven one of the tested,

1182
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: literally tested as the highest graded tight end prospect in

1183
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: the history of the analytical side of the NFL draft.

1184
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: He was a ten out of ten on the Great

1185
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: Scale in terms of his athleticism, his size, and like

1186
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: his but why does he have and inconsistent film? His

1187
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: film is not very good. But to me, he tested

1188
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: better than Kyle Pitts. He tested better than what's wrong anybody? Really?

1189
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: That makes you feel better? Right? And run blocking tip.

1190
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 1: He's been slouching since we talked about tight end. Hold

1191
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: on to the draftzine real quick? Are you are you

1192
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: closing out? Yeah? Go for it? Well, I just before

1193
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: we get out of here, I just think let's just

1194
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: say condolences to family for Gary Brown Rayfield right, Wayne Haskins.

1195
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: Just a terrible weekend of news in the NFL. Former

1196
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: running backs coach Gary Brown passing away Rayfield right. Hall

1197
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: of Fame member of course, member of this organization for

1198
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: many many years and uh a key contributed to the

1199
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: community as well. And then yeah, the past the tragic

1200
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: passing of Dwayne Haskins in Florida. I just gotta say

1201
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: this about Rayphiel Right. Man. You know this this story franchise,

1202
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: you have so many great titans that came through here,

1203
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: and Rayphael Right was one of those guys. I would

1204
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: see him at our fundraiser. Him and guys like Cliff

1205
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: Harris and you know Tony Dorset. These are guys that

1206
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: when they left, they took a lot of glory with

1207
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: them and they now have yellow jackets. But you know,

1208
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: I think as fans is the game, the narrative, the

1209
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: game advances. A lot of times people forget about those guys,

1210
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: but they're the guys that actually set the standard here.

1211
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: And that's why this organization is what it is because

1212
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: he was the first big cat. I know, people know

1213
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: Leon Let as a big cat. He was the first

1214
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: big cat, the guy that played the position like they

1215
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: had never seen anything like Rayphael Right when he played

1216
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: in the seventies. And so, you know, I think a

1217
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: lot of these guys, you have to give them their flowers.

1218
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: Now it's not enough to give it to him after

1219
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: they're gone, while they're here. And so when I see

1220
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: any what's the ny of these guys come to, I

1221
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: freak out, you know, because it's it's the game that

1222
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: they played, and they put so much of their heart

1223
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 1: and soul into it for you know, Tony Dark said,

1224
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: guys like that, they have to get their flowers now.

1225
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: So when ray Phael passed man, it obviously condulses to

1226
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: him and his family. But man, a great cowboy on

1227
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: the field he was. He was like Tyrann Smith before

1228
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: Tyrn's play, I mean, right tackle was the guy I

1229
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: played in five Super Bowls. Nobody played in more Super

1230
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: Bowls in the NFL history than Rayfield. Right and off

1231
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: the field. Just a great and nice man man, just

1232
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: a good person. And the same same for Gary Brown.

1233
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: I mean, the first time I met Gary Brown was

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01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: first training camp I came back twenty fifteen. Jason Garrett

1235
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: got rid of the basketball court by the player rooms

1236
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: over there in ox and hard, but at that point

1237
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: it was still out there and he came shot hoops

1238
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: with us. I mean, just just every everybody loved Gary Brown,

1239
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, incredible man, a great coach too. Yeah, it's

1240
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: been a hard week for sure, and of course passing

1241
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: our condolences on as a show. Glad we got to

1242
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: fit that in. Thanks Rob for that. That does it

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Speaker 1: for us here on Talking Cowboys. We'll be back next

1244
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: week eleven thirty Central time in the morning. Let's talk

1245
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: some draft next week. We've got two shows to the

1246
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, only two, and we're gonna figure it out.

1247
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna fix this team when we come back next week.

1248
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: For Chris being Rob Phillips, Isaiah's Dan back, heck my Harrison.

1249
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the Star on Frisco.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next week. I'm Talking Cowboys. This has

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