1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ Presents. 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, August fifth, and it seems as if every 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: single day there are more headlines about Jeffrey Epstein, and 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: these headlines are coming out nearly daily now, and most 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: of the headlines have surrounded his former girlfriend, his co conspirator, 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Gallaine Maxwell. And today was no exception. There was a 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: number of headlines, and the first one was a bit 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: of information that we did not have before today that 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: apparently that session, that two day session, that nine hour 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: session that Gallaine Maxwell had with Deputy Attorney General Todd 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: Blanche was actually recorded. There is reportedly audio tay of 12 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: Gallaine Maxwell TJ. 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine hearing her voice on these 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,959 Speaker 2: audio tapes. But yeah, of course there was some going 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: to be some kind of We knew they had to 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: record it was going to do this all to memory, 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: so we knew it had to be out there. And 18 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: some in Congress have been calling for the transcripts for 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks now to be released. That the 20 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: news now coming from CNNABC and other outlets is that 21 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: the White House is actually possibly considering it. 22 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: Yes, they are considering releasing a portion of the transcript. 23 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: They say that there would have to be some sort 24 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: of redactions taken based on any sort of information they 25 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't want out to the public, if it involved victims' 26 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: names or anything specific like that. But the fact that 27 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: they are even considering releasing a transcript of what Glaine 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: Maxwell told Blanche for nine hours we heard from her 29 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: attorney right after the meeting took place, that she talked 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: about around or at least answered questions about around one 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: hundred different people. That would be remarkable if this transcript 32 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: was released. Do you think it will be released. 33 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: Heavily redacted if it is? And plus the point of 34 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: saying you're possibly considering it putting it out there, why 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: even wet people's appetite, whose appetite already they can't be 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: satiated with no matter what you put out, So why 37 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: even dangle this in front of them if you aren't 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: serious about doing so. That's speculative, and that is speculative, 39 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: so so solely on my part, So everybody ignore that 40 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: for the most part. But what we're saying here is 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: there's a there's now another there's now another major development, 42 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 2: and they've given someone else and their critics something else 43 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: to salivate over. So, now, if you don't release this, 44 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: then you're trying to hide something. If you do release 45 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: it and don't relieve release it fully, you're trying to 46 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: hide something. If it's heavily redacted, you're hiding something. It's 47 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: just I this is not going to settle anything. So 48 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: we hear what she talked about. Okay, then what. 49 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: It's puzzling to me that this would all be out 50 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: there as possible or something that's possible. If it's not 51 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: going to happen, you're just going to upset more people 52 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: about not being transparent. So that was certainly an interesting 53 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: report that came out today. And of course this all 54 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: comes on the heels of her being mysteriously moved to 55 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: a cushier club fed prison camp in Texas with no 56 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: official explanation as to why she was moved to a 57 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: lower security facility, just within a few days after having 58 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: this conversation or answering these questions by Attorney general or 59 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: a deputy Attorney General Blanche. So this is all very 60 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: puzzling and very much keeping that story alive in the 61 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: headlines in a way I wouldn't think the Trump administration 62 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: would want. This isn't making it go away. This is 63 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: creating more fervor and more speculation. So that's an interesting development. 64 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: But today the other big headline the House Committee who 65 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: is investigating that is investigating the Epstein case. Oversight in 66 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: Government Reform issued subpoenas related to the Epstein case, and 67 00:03:54,960 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: a lot of them, but notably specifically issuing a subpoena 68 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: for former President Bill Clinton and his wife, former Secretary 69 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 1: of State Hillary Clinton, and several other top former Department 70 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: of Justice officials, and the committee chair James Comer, Republican 71 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: from Kentucky, wrote some of the cover letters and specifically 72 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: to Bill Clinton. They were released today and they were exceptional. 73 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: Did you not think. 74 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: I think exceptional is the word you use. I would 75 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: just say uncomfortable. There were a lot of them that 76 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: they sent out to a lot of former Obama administration officials. 77 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: A lot of them had the same repetitive language on 78 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: a couple of things, but they were specific to each person, 79 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: and the specificity to Bill Clinton was uncomfortable talking about 80 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: we want you to come here and talk to us 81 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: because we think you have information about Epstein. And the 82 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: reason we think you have information is because you admitted 83 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: you were on a plane. There's a picture of you 84 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: getting a massage that's uncomfortable. 85 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: Very uncomfortable. And they want former President Bill Clinton to 86 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: sit for a deposition on October fourteenth. They've given him 87 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: a date. It's interesting because no former president has ever 88 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: testified before Congress under the compulsion of a subpoena. It's 89 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: literally never happened in the history of our country. So 90 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: it is remarkable in that sense. But this is in 91 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: part what this cover letter to Bill Clinton said from 92 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: a Republican James Comer. By your own admission, you flew 93 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: on Jeffrey Epstein's private plane four separate times in two 94 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: thousand and two and two thousand and three. The letter 95 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: goes on to say you were also allegedly close to 96 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: Miss Glaine Maxwell, an Epstein co conspirator, and attended an 97 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: intimate dinner with her in twenty fourteen, three years after 98 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: public reports about her involvement in mister Epstein's abuse of minors. 99 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: And he also went on to say there are conflicting 100 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: reports about whether you ever visited mister Epstein's island. Now 101 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: President former President Clinton has categorically denied and has said 102 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: repeatedly that he never visited the island. We've heard President 103 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: Trump say that Clinton has been to the island. I 104 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: think he said twenty eight times with zero proof and 105 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: just said it the way Oftentimes he says things without 106 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: any actual proof or without even adding any further explanation. 107 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: But certainly that is a significant letter to former President 108 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton means nothing. 109 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 2: And I say that in regards no former president has 110 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 2: ever Really you think this is the thing that's going 111 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: to get finally a former testify compelled to come talk 112 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: to Congress. 113 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: No. 114 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: Yes, there obviously is a separation of powers, and that's 115 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: why this is not allowed. That usually often is referred 116 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 2: to or referenced when it's talking about a sitting president. 117 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: But still former presidents enjoy a particular privilege in that 118 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: White House. Some of the time covered here doesn't necessarily 119 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: include the time that Bill Clinton was president. But still 120 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: they'll they'll find a way, some legal way to say 121 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 2: he's not going to come, he's not going to sit 122 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 2: in a public and answer questions about Epstein. Obviously not. 123 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: I mean I feel very confident saying that thing. But 124 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: you have several other members of his administration who might 125 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: not be able to get away with that, who might 126 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: not have the same privilege, who might not have the 127 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: same to be able to get out of it. So again, 128 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: they're a number, I mean a dozen plus people they 129 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: have called to possibly testify. The Clintons are the biggest names, 130 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: but there are a lot of big names on there. 131 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: I'm curious to see if some of those folks will 132 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: be compelled to show up. 133 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: That's right. So yes, they have asked or subpoena president 134 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: or former President Clinton to come out October fourteenth. They've 135 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: subpoened his wife, Hillary Clinton to testify even sooner on 136 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: October ninth. And the cover letter to her was similar, 137 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: just in terms of just any involvement or any knowledge 138 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: about Epstein or Glene Maxwell. But certainly I'm not sure 139 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: what the legal issues are at the legalities are for 140 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: someone of is she's a former first lady, Does she 141 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: have that same window basically legal window of getting out 142 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: of testifying before Congress because of who she was at 143 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: the time and who she's been in political office. 144 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: That I don't know. I thought her letter wrote literally 145 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: wrote to her was worse. Just some of the language 146 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: you're talking to this, is you talking about her husband? 147 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: And some of the language and the letter to her, 148 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: the subpoena to her was essentially saying, hey, yes, we 149 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: think your husband might have some information and your family's dealings. 150 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 2: And I think even mentioned the plane, your husband's admission. 151 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: He was on this plane with Epstein. Your husband's admission, 152 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: and he's getting this massage. It's just I mean, this 153 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,119 Speaker 2: is just what it is. But it could get incredibly uncomfortable. 154 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 2: And part of this is to embarrass. Part of this 155 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 2: is to make a show of it. In a lot 156 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: of ways. They don't have any hope of getting former 157 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: President Clinton in open testimony or even a deposition. Behind 158 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: the scenes, they are not really thinking they have that option. 159 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: But they can get more press attention. They can get 160 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: their names out there. They can they can keep this 161 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: story and their constituents at least feeling as if they 162 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: are the ones who are trying to get answers by 163 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: doing this type of thing. So, I mean, I hate 164 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: to be that cynical. It's just politics, But other people 165 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: will be listening to me and say, of course, idiot, 166 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: it's politics. 167 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: Right, I mean, this is political theater one dred percent. 168 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: And look, it is still remarkable to me that six 169 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: years after the death of Jeffrey Epstein. Now this has 170 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: reached it feels like a fever pitch at this point. 171 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: And President Trump has done everything he can to try 172 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: and deflect or change the national conversation away from Jeffrey 173 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: Epstein or Gelayne Maxwell, and that has not been effective. 174 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: And so it is an interesting tactic now for Republicans 175 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: to act as though they're the ones who are now 176 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: pushing for the transparency. And so if former President Clinton 177 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: and if former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, if they 178 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: don't and they don't honor these subpoenas, then they look 179 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: like the people who are hiding something. So it really 180 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: is about making it look like the other person or 181 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: the other side, they're the ones who have something to hide. 182 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 2: There's nothing, I mean, is there a single person then 183 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 2: can fire up the conservative base more than Bill Clinton. 184 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: If you're saying you're going after Bill Clinton, the conservative 185 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: base is listening, like, all right, Clinton, we can get him, 186 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 2: and so to throw his name to include him in 187 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: this look if in all fairness they have a job 188 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 2: to do, and if they think there was criminal wrongdoing 189 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: and a cover up of some kind going on at 190 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: the highest levels of government, then yes, but there's no 191 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: evidence of that. There's not even half ass evidence of that. 192 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: There's speculation in those politics, there's accusations, there's baseless ones, 193 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: there's fights on with tweets. Is where we are. But 194 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: it's hard to at this point to really see this 195 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 2: as anything other than the show and not something that's 196 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: meant to be substantive in terms of getting answers about 197 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. And we should have mentioned as well, they 198 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: did subpoena the documents from the DJ They subpoena and 199 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 2: said they want all the Epstein files, so they're going 200 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: to get that. Don't know about that one either. 201 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: This is the really interesting part about all of this. Yes, 202 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: in an effort to show that they are trying to 203 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,359 Speaker 1: find the truth and that they are looking for transparency 204 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: to give to the American people. Yes, they are subpoena 205 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: ing the grand jury testimony the documents from which is 206 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: normally a private it's a it's not for public consumption 207 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. But these are I don't 208 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: even want to use the word secret, but they're they're private, 209 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: private hearings that in court that aren't expected to be 210 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: released to the public. 211 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: Speaker is right, No, no, no grand jury secrecy. That's legit. 212 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: Literally, I didn't want it to seem anything. 213 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: But there's a reason these things don't get out, and 214 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: they're not supposed to get out, and Glainne Maxwell doesn't 215 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: want it even to get out. There's a reason for that, 216 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: and so that is not Look, their subpoena is for 217 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: the Epstein files that the DOJ has. The DOJ is 218 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: doing their due diligence in trying to get the court 219 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: to release the grand jury testimony. Courts, at least one 220 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: in Florida said nope, I'm not going to release the 221 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: grand jury testimony related to Epstein and Glainne Maxwell. Other 222 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 2: courts in New York are saying, okay, we'll listen for 223 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 2: a second. Come back to us with another argument, and 224 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: the government came back and said, actually, upon further review 225 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: and looking into this stuff, most of this stuff is 226 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: public knowledge anyway. 227 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: So there in lies the rub here. You have the 228 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: DOJ trying to get this transcript release, or these transcripts released, 229 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: to try and show the public. Hey, look, we're not 230 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: trying to hide anything. We're going to show you what 231 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: we got. We're going to show you what was presented 232 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: to this grand jury when they were looking to indict 233 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: Gallaine Maxwell. And yet in the same breath they have said, 234 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: so basically all of the testimony that we're looking to unseal, 235 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: so you all and see for yourselves. Actually, most of 236 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: if not all, of that information is already known, and 237 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: the Attorney General Van Bondi is not seeking to unseal 238 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: anything else. This was all according to filings today. So 239 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: that was a huge letdown. And yet in the same breath, 240 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: why does Glayne Maxwell not want any of this testimony released? 241 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: Well that from a legal standpoint, her argument is, I 242 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 2: don't want anything to mess up my appeal the Supreme Court. 243 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: I suppose you decide on her appeal in September, So 244 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: she is waiting. She only I mean, really, she's got 245 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: a month and a half. Just don't release anything right now. 246 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 2: They could possibly impact my case. I mean, just get 247 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: through this appeal situation and then kind of knock yourselves out. 248 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: I don't know what's in there that could have an 249 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: impact on I don't know. Public opinion could have an 250 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: impact on courts, could have an impact on her case. 251 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: I get that Glene Maxwell and her attorney have said 252 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: that they haven't even seen all of the transcripts from 253 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: the grand jury, from the testimony, so they haven't even 254 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: had a chance to review it. And so we've heard 255 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: from them and they categorically do not want this released 256 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: ahead of time, ahead of the Supreme Court whether or 257 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: not they're going to take it up or not, that 258 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: will be at the end of September. But also all 259 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: of the Epstein victims and their families they don't want 260 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: it out there either. Now. Of course, we're hearing from 261 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: the dj that they're going to redact names and redact 262 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: details that would have any impact on the victims themselves. 263 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: But they have even said that they weren't even told 264 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: that any of this was going on. There's been almost 265 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: zero communication between the Department of Justice and Epstein's victims. 266 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: And this is a group of people, and it is large. 267 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: These are women who were children at the time, who 268 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: are certainly miners at the time, who have been given 269 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: almost no respect or consideration through all of this process. 270 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: We talk about politics, we talk about people trying to 271 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: deflect and defend and switch the conversation so as to 272 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: not be implicated, but really truly at the heart of 273 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: all of this are these young women who were used 274 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: and abused and have not been heard and have not 275 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: been listened to it, and have not been regarded in 276 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: all of this. And that continues even now as it 277 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: seems the Trump administration, the Trump DOJ is looking to 278 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: change the conversation or at least make it seem something 279 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: other than what it is. 280 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. It just said, won't go away. I 281 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: don't know at what point this can bring the temperature 282 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: down a little bit. The President has tried and tried 283 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: in recent weeks to find ways to distract from the story, 284 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: but there continues to be some new headline every day. 285 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: And look comer the representative Comber who was made these subpoenas. 286 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: That's a big move. They voted what a couple of 287 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: weeks ago, a week ago for subpoenas along party lines 288 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 2: for the most part. But they've gone through with it 289 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: and this has now happened. So something has to happen now, 290 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: either he's going to show up or not. But the 291 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: idea of a former president and this one in particular, 292 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: being subpoenaed and now we have to wait to see 293 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: what happens, that means this story is going to stay 294 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: alive because his date for testifying is down. 295 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: The road October fourteenth. 296 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 2: He's the last one, maybe even of the whole list 297 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: that they've subpoened. So that's a long time from now 298 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: for this story to continue, for us to get some 299 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 2: answer of he's not going to testify, but this is 300 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: going to keep going and going and going. 301 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: It was also pointed out, this is interesting that Glene Maxwell, 302 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: who we're waiting to see whether or not the Supreme 303 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: Court is even going to hear this case or even 304 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: take it up. Say it does. Say the Supreme Court 305 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: decides to take up this case, they might not even 306 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: decide if they did, until April or until next spring. 307 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: So this story, this Galaine Maxwell, and what happens, whether 308 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: or not she'll testify, whether or not we'll actually hear 309 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: from her directly, whether or not she talks to Congress, 310 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: whether or not we hear any of the conversation she 311 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: had with the Deputy Attorney General. That all remains to 312 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: be seen. And this is likely going to drag out, 313 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: not just for weeks, for months and perhaps even into 314 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: next year. And that certainly is not something that the 315 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: Trump administration wants to see happen. But there really is 316 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: truly no other way around this, because at the end 317 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: of the day, now that Trump has pushed for transparency 318 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: and Congress has followed suit saying okay, let's do this, 319 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: the American public now is going to demand some sort 320 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: of information that they didn't have before. But it remains 321 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: to be seen what that actually is. If it doesn't 322 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: come from Glaine Maxwell, if it doesn't come from the 323 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: court transcripts, it would have to come from any of 324 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: these folks who would be testifying before Congress. 325 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: Well, it's the President has set the bar even higher 326 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: than it already was. July seventh is why we're here 327 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: the DOJ. After all of that, they came out and said, 328 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: there are no more Epstein files we're going to release, 329 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: there is no Epstein client list, and yes, Epstein killed 330 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: himself in prison. That's it. That's the end of it. 331 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 2: That was July seventh, folks, and that is why we're 332 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 2: here right now, because that caused an absolute uproar that 333 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: set all of these things now in motion. 334 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: We will continue to follow this story as it develops, 335 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: and again it seems like we get daily headlines. We 336 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: will stay on top of this, but we want to 337 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: thank you all for listening to us, and we appreciate it, 338 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: so we hope you have a wonderful day today. I'm 339 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: Amy robock On, behalf of my partner t J. Holmes. 340 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.