WEBVTT - Turf War 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:05.240 You are listening and waiting on reparations a production of 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:12.080 I Heart Radio, Yo Yo Yo. What's good people, I'm 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:15.440 dope knife, I'm with Franca and you are listening to 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:20.759 waiting on reparations? Are you doing? Oh, I'm good, I'm good. Yeah. 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:24.600 I have a working, hard working smart trying to at 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:29.160 least take a little dance breaks posting them on TikTok. Oh, 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.199 where'd you've been. You've been doing the TikTok TikTok a 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:34.239 little bit. It's been kind of fun. I don't know. 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.000 It's just like it's been fun to do silly little 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.360 like oh no, like a little mini plays in my 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.120 kitchen when the baby sleep, taking a little breaks from 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:44.760 work with just you know, I forgot I have dance moves. 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.440 I am a good dancer. I am and so I've 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.680 been doing a little dudle dance sixtoks. But like I was, ship, 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:52.559 I gotta like that. I still I have a TikTok account. 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:54.680 I've been like I've been flirting with the idea of 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:58.440 like just posting up versus like like everything that a 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.800 little bit too fun. It's just like I don't know why. 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:02.920 It's like I think I just need to go ahead 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:04.679 and do it. I think I've been getting too carried 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.800 away about one of those round white light things and 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:09.600 it's like it's a pain in the ask to set up. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.440 I'm like, man, no, no, I should be blurry as 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.399 hill like it's not it's really not that so all 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:19.120 like that. So well. I well, speaking of breaks, I 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.520 took a little break this past weekend. I went on 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:25.720 a little vac down to Florida just you know, hung 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:28.600 out some people's and watched the Super Bowl. Did you 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.119 get to see the Super Bowl? I literally so. One 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:36.920 of my fellow commissioners shoutouts to Russell Edwards texted me 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.120 in the just like out of the blue, he said, Fitty, 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.840 and I was like, what is he talking about? Um? 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:43.880 I assumed it was football related because I had had 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:46.120 to get off Twitter that night because all everybody's time 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.200 was football. It was like I don't I don't sport. 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.520 I don't do it. But then he was like, yeah, 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:53.120 you've missed the halftime show. It's like Kendrick and Dr Dre. 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.400 And I was like, well, it was the first ever 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.760 all hip hop headline super Bowl halftime show, so I 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.080 saw it was pretty cool, you know, I mean it 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.720 was like a bunch of legacies. It was all legacy acts. 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:11.320 You know. You had Snoop, Dr Dre, Eminem, Mary J. Blige, 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.640 like you said, the cameo by fifty and then we 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:18.360 had Anderson Pack in the bags playing the drums. I 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:23.760 was pretty cute. Was his little thing caught me. It 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.800 was like, you know when he was doing um I 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.000 and he was like and we hey, yeah, I want 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:31.840 to kill us dad in the Street Bump show. I 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.680 was like, what did you hear about the Okay? So 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.639 there was some dust up before, right at least for 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.320 as much, you know, as reliably as you could go 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.400 on like Twitter stories and Twitter drama and stuff. But 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.639 so the word was a couple of hours before the 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:50.480 Super Bowl that and Eminem had planned to kneel and 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.120 that the NFL had told him, you know, explicitly, you know, 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.840 you can't do that. And then Dr Dre wanted to 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.560 split the line, still not loving police and still Dre 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.160 and the NFL told him that you couldn't do that, 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:08.120 and both things happened. So that was so Kendrick was 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.000 the one that kind of like bowed to that. I 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.680 don't want to say he bowed but you know, I 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:19.679 mean em and EV and DR to be honest with you, 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.480 like that was like while because I had been I was, 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.799 you know, reading ship on Twitter while the game was 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.800 going on, so I was like letting everybody I was 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.520 in the room with know about that whole thing. So 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.880 when we were actually watching the halftime performance and Eminem Neil, 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.640 that was like the biggest pop or reaction that anybody 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.880 that the whole game got. You know, we were like 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:46.040 the NFL later on declared that they knew that Eminem 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.080 was gonna do it and stuff like that. I don't 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.440 know about that. I'm just gonna imagine the Eminem just 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.800 said fuck y'all or said I don't give a fucking yeah, 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.040 that's cool. And you know, two things come to mind. 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.840 For one, you know that at first it's like, well 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.480 they had like cops feel in districts with people like 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:05.280 two summers ago whatever, like to kneel these days has 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.480 become such a watered down act. But when you also 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.480 consider the context of within the NFL as well as 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.960 like what Colin Kaepernick has gone on to do with 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.359 like creating you know, Kaepernick Publishing, and now they're putting 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.920 out all this like radical, you know, like black feminist 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:24.000 and like abolitionist like writings and essays and stuff. It's like, 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:26.599 you know, if you're drawing attention back to him in 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.719 the context in which he was sort of radicalized and 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:33.520 like marginalized politically at first, which then caused him to 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.880 game this larger political platform. It's a pretty dope thing. 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.200 I appreciate he did that. I appreciate eminem give a 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.400 shine to the you know, like yeah, and I mean 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.840 in this day and age, when you've got like massive 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.400 media figures like given motherfucker's the green light to say 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.960 the N word and ship, I'll take a superficial kneeling gesture. 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.799 You know, I'm not mad at that. Let's not yeah 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.800 at all. But speaking of the NFL, guess that's a 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:02.640 good idea. It wasn't even planned in that look at 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.560 that freestyle in the show, But that's a good transition 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.320 because today what we're going to talk about is these 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.400 uh class action lawsuit that's been taken against the NFL 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.560 by the former Miami Dolphins head coach Brian Flores. So 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.839 just to give you a little recap of it, So 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:23.000 Black History Month kicked off this year with a lawsuit 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:27.280 from Brian Flores. He was suing the NFL and three 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.720 of his teams for alleged patterns of racist hiring practices 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:35.599 by the league and racial discrimination. In this class action lawsuit, 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:39.760 the teams involved where the Miami Dolphins, the Denver Broncos, 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:44.479 and the New York Giants. Now there's just one active 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:49.120 African American coach in the NFL going into next season, 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:53.360 and that's Mike Tomlin of the Pittsburgh Steelers. UM. Six 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.920 of the nine vacancies leading into this hiring cycle where 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.760 all they all went to white men, and the two 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.679 of the final three openings went to a first cast 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:07.520 of candidates. So the Texans hired Levy Smith, who's a 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:12.520 veteran coach any black man, and the Dolphins hired Mike McDaniel, 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.800 who is multiracial. UM. But both of those hirings came 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:21.160 after Flores issued his lawsuit. So we are I mean, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.919 just your before because you know I'm gonna get your thoughts. 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.480 Oh no, let's hit the jump, because I got all right, 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.560 we're gonna be We're gonna be back with that and 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.320 more after the jump. But we're gonna try to for two. 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.599 I'm not necessarily a sports ball sports person, but I 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.640 do like basketball. Football is not really my thing. So 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.599 for two football novices are going to try to see 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.720 if we can dig into this topic or after the jump, 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.760 all right, we are back. So if you're just joining us, 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.280 re rhyin the goddamn podcast and find out what we're 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:01.320 talking about. Mariah, So what are your initial thoughts on 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.760 the situation before we get into some of these facts. 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:09.000 So the the facts arising about this lawsuit and the 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.880 change that it has already spurred brings me back to 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:16.720 in my work kind of like um, contemplating the value 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.960 of lawsuits generally, because there's a lot of things that 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.480 the city attorneys like plead with us not to do. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.600 That sometimes we will do anyway, because even if we 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:29.200 get suited, it raises an important issue. And even through 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.040 threats of legal action, you can force people. On the 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:33.840 other hand, you can through that's a legal action, you 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.720 can get people to do all kinds of things. So, 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:41.400 um thing about Yeah, like in the terrain of organizing 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.640 all the tools we have at our disposal, getting folks elected, 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:48.480 marching the streets, colony of the congressman, filing lawsuits. I 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:53.360 think this this Um, this juncture here kind of underscores 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.679 the importance of also like using the law against the system, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.480 where it's like, yeah, I mean, I don't know if 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.280 he's gonna win this lawsuit, but already they hired like 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:06.600 two black, you know, diverse um football coaches and so 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.440 like there you go. Well, I mean even some of 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.560 that might be a little I mean, we'll we'll get 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.480 into you know, some of the history of of the 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.800 NFL's coach hiring in a little bit. But even some 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:23.800 of that might not even be adequate with not certainly 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.200 not yes, yeah, not at all to say that whatsoever. 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.120 But it's interesting what you can get them to do, 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.360 like to start nudging them in the right direction. And 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:36.160 like so like, um, for someone who like I mean 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.400 you're out of all the people who I know in 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:42.480 my life, you're like probably like one of the few 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.240 people who I know personally that it's like, oh, this 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:49.600 like Marie on some revolutionary ships, you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.360 like she's actually out there like like doing the work 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.880 and stuff. So for someone like you, who I consider 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.880 her to be or or like more on the revolutionary tip, 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:03.200 is there any sort of is there any sort of 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:07.160 like paradox created by like using the system to fight 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.480 the system. I mean, I think we have to. I mean, 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.000 there's arguments on either side. He looked. There's a lot 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.240 of people out here that are like, we have organized 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.319 totally separate from the state. We gotta do mutual aid, 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.120 we gotta like, you know, build up for the revolution 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.640 whatever whatever. You got people in the middle that see that, 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:26.720 you know, have a more militant vent or like, oh, 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:28.360 let's march in the street and get our asked bet 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.840 by the cop and you know, dota at it up. 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.560 And then you got folks that like fully just focus 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.080 on what you can do within the system, etcetera. And 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:39.120 I've seen in my time a tendency among organizers to 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.920 like be purists about their way of doing things. And 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.120 I get it. You you know, you commit your heart 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.200 to something because you think it's the right thing. But 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.880 like I try and my work try to like not 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.400 prescribe what is the best way to do it. I've seen, 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.320 you know, I've advocated for getting people elected and then 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.240 I've been elected and seen that like it is somewhat 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:01.920 limiting and um, ETCeteras. I've seen organizations that are like 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:06.560 trying to like do abolitionist work outside of like the state, Like, oh, 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:08.200 we don't even wanted to fund the police. We're going 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:12.520 to create our whole own like systems of safety and accountability. 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.160 And then they won't like they can't get any money 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.360 to do it because it's all it's all like state 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:19.840 grants or whatever, and so they're hampered because they don't 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.040 have any money. So I'm just all for a directory 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.160 of tactics whatever, you know, just like I'm not gonna 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:28.079 tell you what you should and shouldn't do. I'm not 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.920 gonna be like, oh, following the lawsuit doesn't really changed it. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.240 Like you and our kids out here with your you know, 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:38.000 super kitchen, Like do your change? Do you think like 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.240 it's none of my business what y'all up to, Like 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.400 the same sort of thing that we're just saying about 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.520 Eminem and the kneeling. It's like at this point, like 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.480 any gesture helps, you know, So right, if it's gonna 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.000 like get someone to like google calling Kaepernick again like 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.200 I was saying in the intro, and then they're like, oh, 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.880 he started a publishing company and they stumble upon like 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.199 essays by Derek Parnell or whatever, Like that's kind of cool. 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.959 And I mean anybody anybody who wants to like point 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:07.000 towards like another like lane of attacks that's different from 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.880 a lawsuit. Then by all means you know what I'm saying, 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.400 like point it out or go do it, you know, 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.240 but like don't hate on anybody else's trategy. And there's 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.880 already there's already precedent in you know, going back to 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:23.120 once again where um basketball players started striking and like 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.520 refusing to play right, and so there's a labor organizing 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.880 tactic have been having been used in sports. Now we're 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.160 trying out lawsuits like who knows, who knows what's next. 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.920 I'm excited to see, like if people are really serious 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:39.720 about this and they don't just sort of succumb to meager, 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:46.400 succome to meager like like oh, you know headpaths as 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.360 as you know, solutions and justice. I don't know, let's 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.240 see you let's see what they try next. I don't know. 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:56.880 So I'm sorry, I heard you all. Now you're doing okay. 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:00.920 So per NFL dot Com, only five of the last 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:05.080 thirty six head coaching openings gone to black men. This 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.880 is an unacceptable quote unquote reality as said by the 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:13.640 NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, who acknowledged that who acknowledged those 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.120 four days after the league had said of Flores's claims 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:21.400 were without merit. Now, Goodell was asked about the discrepancy 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.000 between the two comments, and he said, it's a good question, 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.000 which I've asked our office. He's a it's a good 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:30.160 question which in our office, and we've talked about it. 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.800 I think the initial reaction was regarding the legal claims 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:38.240 themselves and not really what we would say the experience 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.560 of what coach Flores was going through. And that's what 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:48.280 and that's what the most colorful, flavorful word salad I've 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.200 ever seen. And that's what and then he Goodal continues, 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.040 and that's what I'm more interested in. I put the 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.600 legal claims in the legal process to the side, and 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.080 that will be handled by lawyers. To me, it's more 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.240 important for us to lawyers. Goodell, who's for me, It's 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.720 more important people you hired to sort of listen to 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.080 Flora's and understand what he and other coaches are going through. 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:14.240 I'm sorry, just wanted to get the brazen contradiction. So 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:20.800 let's and I mean, yeah, just just Florid, just before 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.400 you let the commissioner have it. Let's just let's just 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.560 go through some of the facts about the NFL right 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:32.960 now in this particular issue. So the workforce, which by 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.120 this you know what we're going to say, the players 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.319 of the workforce. Obviously there's way more people that go 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.600 into making a team a team, YadA, YadA. But of 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:46.920 the players, the player workforce sev black. The assistant coaches 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:52.840 who that is drawn from the players that's black. Then 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:56.840 currently we have two black head coaches. I only say 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:00.640 too black because the third guy is listed as multiracial 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.880 and not as black. So we have two black head 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:09.880 coaches and zero black owners and there are thirty two teams. Mariah. 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.280 So look the fact you brought up an interesting point 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:18.959 to start with the black player who work force, because um, 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.160 I am curious because this is even this suit is 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.240 even brought about by like the mid tier person, right, 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.400 like a like a t like a what Brian Flores 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:29.920 was a head coach. He was a head coach this 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.800 past he was a head coach, right, So he's not 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.840 a team owner. He's not like a shareholder or something. 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.200 He's like kind of like a middle management from in 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.480 the grand. In the grand, the coaches are management, but 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.400 they're definitely in this for in terms of this discussion 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.280 their labor, their labor right right. They don't run the internet, 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.360 they don't own the team you have steaks in it 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:56.480 or anything like that. I think this is very echoes 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.760 in many ways what we see sometimes and like like 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:04.000 larger labor organizing movements. Okay, take for example, what's going 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.840 on with Starbucks right now, Like you know, the first 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.480 Starbucks unionized in December, like ever since then, like a 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:15.160 thousand workers at Starbucks across the country have filed for 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.880 having union elections. It's like the what the the wild 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:23.320 fiery is the spreading is like labor movement in recent history, right, 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:25.760 But you think about the kinds of peoples that Starbucks 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.560 wants to hire to manage their image is like very 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:33.120 like forward thinking liberal kind of thing. They're hiring a 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.200 lot of like college grads. They're calling on a lot 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.120 of artists, a lot of people that you know, identify 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.440 with like the Black Lives Matter movement. So these aren't 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.440 the like I mean, this is not I'm not too 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.040 like paying you know, a blanket picture of everything. I'm 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.640 sure there's a lot of diversity in their workforce. But 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:53.000 you know this, this isn't like the like the hood 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.000 nigga's got out of jail that's going to work at 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.360 the poultry plant. And like you know, the blue who 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.440 who we typically associate with blue collar folks there's tend 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.640 to be more educated, etcetera, etcetera. And so those are 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.480 the folks that like will advocate for getting there's more 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.160 so than the folks at the real about like the 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.920 bottom bottom like that really needs like ship so that 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.120 like I don't know what the role of the players 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.280 is and all this especially and we're not even talking 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.920 about the folks that you know, clean the clean, the clean, 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:27.360 the clean, cheerleaders, cheerleaders, mopping the locker room floor. I 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.760 think so those people are completely left out of the conversation. 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.520 And someone who's like in the middle, like you know, 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.480 like you know, has a sense of more has slightly 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.560 more privileged than other folks is the one that's coming 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.360 for their well. I think that's what makes conversations like 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:45.640 this heart. I think that the reason why it's like 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:49.120 hard for like these sort of like topics too kind 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.880 of blow up as being a large labor issues because ultimately, 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.320 you know, Brian floor has just got paid like three 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.400 million dollars for the season, you know, I mean, ultimately 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.400 we're talking about rich trying to get more are of 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.080 theirs at the at the end of the day. So 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.280 we have to take the conversation with that prism or 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.000 that grain in salt or whatever that you know, it's 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.760 rich people arguing about themselves, even though there is like 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:15.320 a further you know, racial and economic divide that you 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:19.600 can dig into it. But I want to be clear 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:24.359 though that like true, like economic transformation of this country 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.920 is going to require people like Brian Flores to see 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:33.639 themselves as more like the black player workforce and the 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.439 janitors mopping the locker room, to realize he's more like 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.159 them than the people that really run ship well in 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:42.600 his in his and I don't even know if this 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.760 is a defense because you weren't attacking him, but something 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.560 that aspect of football that you might not know if 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:50.159 you don't like watch it or if you don't know 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.879 like the inner workings of it. This is a huge 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:57.639 sacrifice for him, Like he's most likely ever going to 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:59.760 coach again, you know what I'm saying, That's what I'm 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.600 talking about, Yes, we're gonna need people like that to 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:06.399 be willing to sacrifice a little bit in order for 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:11.080 even them get justice, but also the people below them, 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.800 you know, so like a lot of people everyone thinks 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.960 they're like, what's it like temporarily embarrassed billionaires or whatever, 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.879 especially middle class folks who think they are like you know, 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.000 or like even upper middle class folks who, let's say, 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.280 like Brian Flores, who think they're closer to like Jeff 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.560 Bezos than they are to homelessness. But if this is true, 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.800 if he loses this lawsuit, can't ever coach again, Like 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.400 his life could take a significant turn for the worst, 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.639 and that he's actually closer to the folks at the 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.040 bottom than he is someone like whoever, like the CEO 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.280 of the NFL, I don't even know. That's the thing, 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:48.320 Like he's he's doing this for future generations, Like he's 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.480 not going to coach in the even if they win, 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:52.800 even if he wins the lawsuit, he's never going to 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.960 coach again, Like they're they're they're not, I mean, And 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.080 and through this there's been there's been a lot of 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.439 there's a lot of like there's aspect of the story 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:07.160 that's very very much football Insider football ship that we're 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.800 not a sports show, so it's like it's not really 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.920 you know, I'm not really interested in covering up, but 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.800 like you know, the aspects of like them asking him 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.040 to throw games and to tank his team and things 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:25.239 like that, that yeah, he's suing on those grounds. But 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.560 if like this lawsuit is successful and it ends up 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:32.280 being the end result is that there's more black coaches 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:36.160 and there's more U coaches of color, that's all gonna 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.760 be dope. But on his account, like that's what he's 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:40.760 doing it for, because he's not going to be one 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.880 of those coaches. The next thing I want to say 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.320 is that having more black coaches is cool, but that's 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.960 still management, that's still reinforcing the idea that like we 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.359 need more black CEOs and like black business owners to 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:55.800 like get free when like at the end of the day, 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:58.240 like the people not on the floor are still going 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:02.280 to be on food stamps or whatever. Like just I 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:07.560 guess in the culture of American football though, is like 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.560 black people and this is this is my general sense 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:13.800 again as somebody who football is not my favorite sport, 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:17.600 but like black people in football are very much considered 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:23.640 like workhorses and like laborers. They're not really considered thinkers, 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.280 you know what I'm saying. So the aspects, the aspects 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:31.080 of aspects of football that are like cerebral and require 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:34.080 thinking and study and watching tape and stuff like that, 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:40.280 these white billionaire owners don't trust black men in those positions, 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:45.919 you know, I'm saying, like quarterbacks. You know, there was 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.280 for the longest time there was a stigma about black 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:52.720 black men camp quarterbacks. Black black still make good quarterbacks. 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:56.000 That's kind of been shattered now. But even in shattering that, 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:58.879 like a lot of those a lot of those stigma 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:01.359 still persis us, you know what I'm saying. And I 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:03.280 don't think that anything like this is really going to 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:08.639 change until the ownership changes. But then again, like I said, 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:11.760 it's like your that argument is an argument for you know, 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:13.800 we need more black billionaires, you know what I mean. 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:16.520 I mean, if the ownership changes, you put more black 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.760 people in charge, and they are more um understanding of 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.760 the various kinds of like skill and labor and intelligence 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.280 that people are putting into all of these positions. Even 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:28.879 if you say, oh, like you know, the players aren't smart, 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:32.440 they're just buff and and like strong or whatever. It's like, well, 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:34.480 it takes a certain kind of like what you could 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:38.199 call like bodily intelligence to know how to like do 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:40.800 a little swivel pirouette around some dude when you're trying 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.080 to tackle you, or like line like you know, line 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.359 the football up and kick it straight through the like that. 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:49.920 Those that's like very like complicated and underappreciated, like thinking 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:52.280 that has to be done in order to do that, 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:55.760 and so like they are very intelligent and someone who 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:57.920 if you get a black coach in place, you might 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:00.760 you might find somebody who like sees at and recognize 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:03.760 it's like, you know, maybe we need more equity, etcetera. 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:05.800 But it's just but it's not it's not something you 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:07.760 can just assume. You know, I'm not all skin folks, 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:09.639