1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: You are listening and waiting on reparations a production of 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Yo Yo Yo. What's good people, I'm 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: dope knife, I'm with Franca and you are listening to 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: waiting on reparations? Are you doing? Oh, I'm good, I'm good. Yeah. 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: I have a working, hard working smart trying to at 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: least take a little dance breaks posting them on TikTok. Oh, 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: where'd you've been. You've been doing the TikTok TikTok a 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: little bit. It's been kind of fun. I don't know. 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: It's just like it's been fun to do silly little 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: like oh no, like a little mini plays in my 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: kitchen when the baby sleep, taking a little breaks from 12 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: work with just you know, I forgot I have dance moves. 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: I am a good dancer. I am and so I've 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: been doing a little dudle dance sixtoks. But like I was, ship, 15 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: I gotta like that. I still I have a TikTok account. 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: I've been like I've been flirting with the idea of 17 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: like just posting up versus like like everything that a 18 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: little bit too fun. It's just like I don't know why. 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: It's like I think I just need to go ahead 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: and do it. I think I've been getting too carried 21 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: away about one of those round white light things and 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: it's like it's a pain in the ask to set up. 23 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, no, no, I should be blurry as 24 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: hill like it's not it's really not that so all 25 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: like that. So well. I well, speaking of breaks, I 26 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: took a little break this past weekend. I went on 27 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: a little vac down to Florida just you know, hung 28 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: out some people's and watched the Super Bowl. Did you 29 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: get to see the Super Bowl? I literally so. One 30 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: of my fellow commissioners shoutouts to Russell Edwards texted me 31 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: in the just like out of the blue, he said, Fitty, 32 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: and I was like, what is he talking about? Um? 33 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: I assumed it was football related because I had had 34 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: to get off Twitter that night because all everybody's time 35 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: was football. It was like I don't I don't sport. 36 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: I don't do it. But then he was like, yeah, 37 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: you've missed the halftime show. It's like Kendrick and Dr Dre. 38 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, it was the first ever 39 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: all hip hop headline super Bowl halftime show, so I 40 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: saw it was pretty cool, you know, I mean it 41 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: was like a bunch of legacies. It was all legacy acts. 42 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: You know. You had Snoop, Dr Dre, Eminem, Mary J. Blige, 43 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: like you said, the cameo by fifty and then we 44 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: had Anderson Pack in the bags playing the drums. I 45 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: was pretty cute. Was his little thing caught me. It 46 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: was like, you know when he was doing um I 47 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: and he was like and we hey, yeah, I want 48 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: to kill us dad in the Street Bump show. I 49 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: was like, what did you hear about the Okay? So 50 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: there was some dust up before, right at least for 51 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: as much, you know, as reliably as you could go 52 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: on like Twitter stories and Twitter drama and stuff. But 53 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: so the word was a couple of hours before the 54 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: Super Bowl that and Eminem had planned to kneel and 55 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: that the NFL had told him, you know, explicitly, you know, 56 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: you can't do that. And then Dr Dre wanted to 57 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: split the line, still not loving police and still Dre 58 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: and the NFL told him that you couldn't do that, 59 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: and both things happened. So that was so Kendrick was 60 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: the one that kind of like bowed to that. I 61 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: don't want to say he bowed but you know, I 62 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: mean em and EV and DR to be honest with you, 63 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: like that was like while because I had been I was, 64 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: you know, reading ship on Twitter while the game was 65 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: going on, so I was like letting everybody I was 66 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: in the room with know about that whole thing. So 67 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: when we were actually watching the halftime performance and Eminem Neil, 68 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: that was like the biggest pop or reaction that anybody 69 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: that the whole game got. You know, we were like 70 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: the NFL later on declared that they knew that Eminem 71 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: was gonna do it and stuff like that. I don't 72 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: know about that. I'm just gonna imagine the Eminem just 73 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: said fuck y'all or said I don't give a fucking yeah, 74 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: that's cool. And you know, two things come to mind. 75 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: For one, you know that at first it's like, well 76 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: they had like cops feel in districts with people like 77 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: two summers ago whatever, like to kneel these days has 78 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: become such a watered down act. But when you also 79 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: consider the context of within the NFL as well as 80 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: like what Colin Kaepernick has gone on to do with 81 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: like creating you know, Kaepernick Publishing, and now they're putting 82 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: out all this like radical, you know, like black feminist 83 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: and like abolitionist like writings and essays and stuff. It's like, 84 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: you know, if you're drawing attention back to him in 85 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: the context in which he was sort of radicalized and 86 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: like marginalized politically at first, which then caused him to 87 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: game this larger political platform. It's a pretty dope thing. 88 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate he did that. I appreciate eminem give a 89 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: shine to the you know, like yeah, and I mean 90 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: in this day and age, when you've got like massive 91 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: media figures like given motherfucker's the green light to say 92 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: the N word and ship, I'll take a superficial kneeling gesture. 93 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,799 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not mad at that. Let's not yeah 94 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: at all. But speaking of the NFL, guess that's a 95 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: good idea. It wasn't even planned in that look at 96 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: that freestyle in the show, But that's a good transition 97 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: because today what we're going to talk about is these 98 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: uh class action lawsuit that's been taken against the NFL 99 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: by the former Miami Dolphins head coach Brian Flores. So 100 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: just to give you a little recap of it, So 101 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: Black History Month kicked off this year with a lawsuit 102 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: from Brian Flores. He was suing the NFL and three 103 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: of his teams for alleged patterns of racist hiring practices 104 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: by the league and racial discrimination. In this class action lawsuit, 105 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: the teams involved where the Miami Dolphins, the Denver Broncos, 106 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: and the New York Giants. Now there's just one active 107 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: African American coach in the NFL going into next season, 108 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: and that's Mike Tomlin of the Pittsburgh Steelers. UM. Six 109 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: of the nine vacancies leading into this hiring cycle where 110 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: all they all went to white men, and the two 111 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,679 Speaker 1: of the final three openings went to a first cast 112 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: of candidates. So the Texans hired Levy Smith, who's a 113 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: veteran coach any black man, and the Dolphins hired Mike McDaniel, 114 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: who is multiracial. UM. But both of those hirings came 115 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: after Flores issued his lawsuit. So we are I mean, 116 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: just your before because you know I'm gonna get your thoughts. 117 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: Oh no, let's hit the jump, because I got all right, 118 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna be We're gonna be back with that and 119 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: more after the jump. But we're gonna try to for two. 120 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily a sports ball sports person, but I 121 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: do like basketball. Football is not really my thing. So 122 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: for two football novices are going to try to see 123 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: if we can dig into this topic or after the jump, 124 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: all right, we are back. So if you're just joining us, 125 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: re rhyin the goddamn podcast and find out what we're 126 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: talking about. Mariah, So what are your initial thoughts on 127 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: the situation before we get into some of these facts. 128 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: So the the facts arising about this lawsuit and the 129 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: change that it has already spurred brings me back to 130 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: in my work kind of like um, contemplating the value 131 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: of lawsuits generally, because there's a lot of things that 132 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: the city attorneys like plead with us not to do. 133 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: That sometimes we will do anyway, because even if we 134 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: get suited, it raises an important issue. And even through 135 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: threats of legal action, you can force people. On the 136 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: other hand, you can through that's a legal action, you 137 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: can get people to do all kinds of things. So, 138 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: um thing about Yeah, like in the terrain of organizing 139 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: all the tools we have at our disposal, getting folks elected, 140 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: marching the streets, colony of the congressman, filing lawsuits. I 141 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: think this this Um, this juncture here kind of underscores 142 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 1: the importance of also like using the law against the system, 143 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, I mean, I don't know if 144 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: he's gonna win this lawsuit, but already they hired like 145 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: two black, you know, diverse um football coaches and so 146 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: like there you go. Well, I mean even some of 147 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: that might be a little I mean, we'll we'll get 148 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: into you know, some of the history of of the 149 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: NFL's coach hiring in a little bit. But even some 150 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: of that might not even be adequate with not certainly 151 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: not yes, yeah, not at all to say that whatsoever. 152 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: But it's interesting what you can get them to do, 153 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: like to start nudging them in the right direction. And 154 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: like so like, um, for someone who like I mean 155 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: you're out of all the people who I know in 156 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: my life, you're like probably like one of the few 157 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: people who I know personally that it's like, oh, this 158 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: like Marie on some revolutionary ships, you know what I'm saying, Like, 159 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: like she's actually out there like like doing the work 160 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: and stuff. So for someone like you, who I consider 161 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: her to be or or like more on the revolutionary tip, 162 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: is there any sort of is there any sort of 163 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: like paradox created by like using the system to fight 164 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: the system. I mean, I think we have to. I mean, 165 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: there's arguments on either side. He looked. There's a lot 166 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: of people out here that are like, we have organized 167 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: totally separate from the state. We gotta do mutual aid, 168 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: we gotta like, you know, build up for the revolution 169 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: whatever whatever. You got people in the middle that see that, 170 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: you know, have a more militant vent or like, oh, 171 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: let's march in the street and get our asked bet 172 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: by the cop and you know, dota at it up. 173 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: And then you got folks that like fully just focus 174 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: on what you can do within the system, etcetera. And 175 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: I've seen in my time a tendency among organizers to 176 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: like be purists about their way of doing things. And 177 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: I get it. You you know, you commit your heart 178 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: to something because you think it's the right thing. But 179 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: like I try and my work try to like not 180 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: prescribe what is the best way to do it. I've seen, 181 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: you know, I've advocated for getting people elected and then 182 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: I've been elected and seen that like it is somewhat 183 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: limiting and um, ETCeteras. I've seen organizations that are like 184 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: trying to like do abolitionist work outside of like the state, Like, oh, 185 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: we don't even wanted to fund the police. We're going 186 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: to create our whole own like systems of safety and accountability. 187 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: And then they won't like they can't get any money 188 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: to do it because it's all it's all like state 189 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: grants or whatever, and so they're hampered because they don't 190 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: have any money. So I'm just all for a directory 191 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: of tactics whatever, you know, just like I'm not gonna 192 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: tell you what you should and shouldn't do. I'm not 193 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh, following the lawsuit doesn't really changed it. 194 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: Like you and our kids out here with your you know, 195 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: super kitchen, Like do your change? Do you think like 196 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: it's none of my business what y'all up to, Like 197 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: the same sort of thing that we're just saying about 198 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: Eminem and the kneeling. It's like at this point, like 199 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: any gesture helps, you know, So right, if it's gonna 200 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: like get someone to like google calling Kaepernick again like 201 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: I was saying in the intro, and then they're like, oh, 202 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: he started a publishing company and they stumble upon like 203 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: essays by Derek Parnell or whatever, Like that's kind of cool. 204 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: And I mean anybody anybody who wants to like point 205 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: towards like another like lane of attacks that's different from 206 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: a lawsuit. Then by all means you know what I'm saying, 207 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: like point it out or go do it, you know, 208 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: but like don't hate on anybody else's trategy. And there's 209 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: already there's already precedent in you know, going back to 210 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: once again where um basketball players started striking and like 211 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: refusing to play right, and so there's a labor organizing 212 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: tactic have been having been used in sports. Now we're 213 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: trying out lawsuits like who knows, who knows what's next. 214 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: I'm excited to see, like if people are really serious 215 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: about this and they don't just sort of succumb to meager, 216 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: succome to meager like like oh, you know headpaths as 217 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: as you know, solutions and justice. I don't know, let's 218 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: see you let's see what they try next. I don't know. 219 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, I heard you all. Now you're doing okay. 220 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: So per NFL dot Com, only five of the last 221 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: thirty six head coaching openings gone to black men. This 222 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: is an unacceptable quote unquote reality as said by the 223 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, who acknowledged that who acknowledged those 224 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: four days after the league had said of Flores's claims 225 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: were without merit. Now, Goodell was asked about the discrepancy 226 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: between the two comments, and he said, it's a good question, 227 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: which I've asked our office. He's a it's a good 228 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: question which in our office, and we've talked about it. 229 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: I think the initial reaction was regarding the legal claims 230 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: themselves and not really what we would say the experience 231 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: of what coach Flores was going through. And that's what 232 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: and that's what the most colorful, flavorful word salad I've 233 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: ever seen. And that's what and then he Goodal continues, 234 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: and that's what I'm more interested in. I put the 235 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: legal claims in the legal process to the side, and 236 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: that will be handled by lawyers. To me, it's more 237 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: important for us to lawyers. Goodell, who's for me, It's 238 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: more important people you hired to sort of listen to 239 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: Flora's and understand what he and other coaches are going through. 240 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, just wanted to get the brazen contradiction. So 241 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: let's and I mean, yeah, just just Florid, just before 242 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: you let the commissioner have it. Let's just let's just 243 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: go through some of the facts about the NFL right 244 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: now in this particular issue. So the workforce, which by 245 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: this you know what we're going to say, the players 246 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: of the workforce. Obviously there's way more people that go 247 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: into making a team a team, YadA, YadA. But of 248 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: the players, the player workforce sev black. The assistant coaches 249 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: who that is drawn from the players that's black. Then 250 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: currently we have two black head coaches. I only say 251 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: too black because the third guy is listed as multiracial 252 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: and not as black. So we have two black head 253 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: coaches and zero black owners and there are thirty two teams. Mariah. 254 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: So look the fact you brought up an interesting point 255 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: to start with the black player who work force, because um, 256 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: I am curious because this is even this suit is 257 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: even brought about by like the mid tier person, right, 258 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: like a like a t like a what Brian Flores 259 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: was a head coach. He was a head coach this 260 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: past he was a head coach, right, So he's not 261 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: a team owner. He's not like a shareholder or something. 262 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: He's like kind of like a middle management from in 263 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: the grand. In the grand, the coaches are management, but 264 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: they're definitely in this for in terms of this discussion 265 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: their labor, their labor right right. They don't run the internet, 266 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: they don't own the team you have steaks in it 267 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: or anything like that. I think this is very echoes 268 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: in many ways what we see sometimes and like like 269 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: larger labor organizing movements. Okay, take for example, what's going 270 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: on with Starbucks right now, Like you know, the first 271 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: Starbucks unionized in December, like ever since then, like a 272 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: thousand workers at Starbucks across the country have filed for 273 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: having union elections. It's like the what the the wild 274 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: fiery is the spreading is like labor movement in recent history, right, 275 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: But you think about the kinds of peoples that Starbucks 276 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: wants to hire to manage their image is like very 277 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: like forward thinking liberal kind of thing. They're hiring a 278 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: lot of like college grads. They're calling on a lot 279 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: of artists, a lot of people that you know, identify 280 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: with like the Black Lives Matter movement. So these aren't 281 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: the like I mean, this is not I'm not too 282 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: like paying you know, a blanket picture of everything. I'm 283 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: sure there's a lot of diversity in their workforce. But 284 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: you know this, this isn't like the like the hood 285 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: nigga's got out of jail that's going to work at 286 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: the poultry plant. And like you know, the blue who 287 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: who we typically associate with blue collar folks there's tend 288 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: to be more educated, etcetera, etcetera. And so those are 289 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: the folks that like will advocate for getting there's more 290 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: so than the folks at the real about like the 291 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: bottom bottom like that really needs like ship so that 292 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: like I don't know what the role of the players 293 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: is and all this especially and we're not even talking 294 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: about the folks that you know, clean the clean, the clean, 295 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: the clean, cheerleaders, cheerleaders, mopping the locker room floor. I 296 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: think so those people are completely left out of the conversation. 297 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: And someone who's like in the middle, like you know, 298 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: like you know, has a sense of more has slightly 299 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: more privileged than other folks is the one that's coming 300 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: for their well. I think that's what makes conversations like 301 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: this heart. I think that the reason why it's like 302 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: hard for like these sort of like topics too kind 303 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: of blow up as being a large labor issues because ultimately, 304 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: you know, Brian floor has just got paid like three 305 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: million dollars for the season, you know, I mean, ultimately 306 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about rich trying to get more are of 307 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: theirs at the at the end of the day. So 308 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: we have to take the conversation with that prism or 309 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: that grain in salt or whatever that you know, it's 310 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: rich people arguing about themselves, even though there is like 311 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: a further you know, racial and economic divide that you 312 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: can dig into it. But I want to be clear 313 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: though that like true, like economic transformation of this country 314 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: is going to require people like Brian Flores to see 315 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: themselves as more like the black player workforce and the 316 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: janitors mopping the locker room, to realize he's more like 317 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: them than the people that really run ship well in 318 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: his in his and I don't even know if this 319 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: is a defense because you weren't attacking him, but something 320 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: that aspect of football that you might not know if 321 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: you don't like watch it or if you don't know 322 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: like the inner workings of it. This is a huge 323 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: sacrifice for him, Like he's most likely ever going to 324 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: coach again, you know what I'm saying, That's what I'm 325 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: talking about, Yes, we're gonna need people like that to 326 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: be willing to sacrifice a little bit in order for 327 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: even them get justice, but also the people below them, 328 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, so like a lot of people everyone thinks 329 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: they're like, what's it like temporarily embarrassed billionaires or whatever, 330 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: especially middle class folks who think they are like you know, 331 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: or like even upper middle class folks who, let's say, 332 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: like Brian Flores, who think they're closer to like Jeff 333 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: Bezos than they are to homelessness. But if this is true, 334 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: if he loses this lawsuit, can't ever coach again, Like 335 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: his life could take a significant turn for the worst, 336 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: and that he's actually closer to the folks at the 337 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: bottom than he is someone like whoever, like the CEO 338 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: of the NFL, I don't even know. That's the thing, 339 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: Like he's he's doing this for future generations, Like he's 340 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: not going to coach in the even if they win, 341 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: even if he wins the lawsuit, he's never going to 342 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: coach again, Like they're they're they're not, I mean, And 343 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: and through this there's been there's been a lot of 344 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: there's a lot of like there's aspect of the story 345 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: that's very very much football Insider football ship that we're 346 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: not a sports show, so it's like it's not really 347 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not really interested in covering up, but 348 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: like you know, the aspects of like them asking him 349 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: to throw games and to tank his team and things 350 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:25,239 Speaker 1: like that, that yeah, he's suing on those grounds. But 351 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: if like this lawsuit is successful and it ends up 352 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: being the end result is that there's more black coaches 353 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: and there's more U coaches of color, that's all gonna 354 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: be dope. But on his account, like that's what he's 355 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: doing it for, because he's not going to be one 356 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: of those coaches. The next thing I want to say 357 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: is that having more black coaches is cool, but that's 358 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: still management, that's still reinforcing the idea that like we 359 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: need more black CEOs and like black business owners to 360 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: like get free when like at the end of the day, 361 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: like the people not on the floor are still going 362 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: to be on food stamps or whatever. Like just I 363 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: guess in the culture of American football though, is like 364 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: black people and this is this is my general sense 365 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: again as somebody who football is not my favorite sport, 366 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: but like black people in football are very much considered 367 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: like workhorses and like laborers. They're not really considered thinkers, 368 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So the aspects, the aspects 369 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: of aspects of football that are like cerebral and require 370 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: thinking and study and watching tape and stuff like that, 371 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: these white billionaire owners don't trust black men in those positions, 372 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying, like quarterbacks. You know, there was 373 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: for the longest time there was a stigma about black 374 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: black men camp quarterbacks. Black black still make good quarterbacks. 375 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: That's kind of been shattered now. But even in shattering that, 376 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: like a lot of those a lot of those stigma 377 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: still persis us, you know what I'm saying. And I 378 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: don't think that anything like this is really going to 379 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: change until the ownership changes. But then again, like I said, 380 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: it's like your that argument is an argument for you know, 381 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: we need more black billionaires, you know what I mean. 382 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: I mean, if the ownership changes, you put more black 383 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: people in charge, and they are more um understanding of 384 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: the various kinds of like skill and labor and intelligence 385 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: that people are putting into all of these positions. Even 386 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: if you say, oh, like you know, the players aren't smart, 387 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: they're just buff and and like strong or whatever. It's like, well, 388 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: it takes a certain kind of like what you could 389 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 1: call like bodily intelligence to know how to like do 390 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: a little swivel pirouette around some dude when you're trying 391 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: to tackle you, or like line like you know, line 392 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: the football up and kick it straight through the like that. 393 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: Those that's like very like complicated and underappreciated, like thinking 394 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: that has to be done in order to do that, 395 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: and so like they are very intelligent and someone who 396 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: if you get a black coach in place, you might 397 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: you might find somebody who like sees at and recognize 398 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, maybe we need more equity, etcetera. 399 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: But it's just but it's not it's not something you 400 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: can just assume. You know, I'm not all skin folks, 401 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: kin folk, etcetera. So it's not something you just like 402 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: as will get better. Is like an insult to injury 403 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: in this whole thing. Whereas like you know what, what 404 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: uh group of people actually do end up having positions 405 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: as head coaches in the NFL, people whose fathers were 406 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: coaches in the NFL. So they've got a bit of 407 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: a nepotism issue going on within their ranks as well. 408 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: That only exacerbates the racial issue. But let's get back 409 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: into some of these facts. So, Fritz Pollard, I don't 410 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: know if I'm pronouncing that right. Fritz Pollard. Yeah, Fritz 411 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: Pollard broke the coaching color barrier back in ninete man. 412 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: The early days was an interesting time for naming your children. 413 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: I mean, my kid's name may stop Fritz Pollard. But 414 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: it took. It took an additional sixty eight years before 415 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: Art Shell became the second black man to lead a team. So, 416 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: I don't know how many of you all out there 417 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: are familiar with something called the Rooney Rule. Are you 418 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: familiar with the Rooney rule at all? In terms of 419 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: football r I have never heard of that game. Okay, 420 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: So the Rooney rule was developed in two thousand three, 421 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: two thousand two. So it is the National Football League 422 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: policy that requires league teams to interview ethnic minority candidate 423 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: for head coaching and senior football operation job. It is 424 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: an example of affirmative action, even though there was no 425 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: hiring quota or hiring preference given minorities. It's only an 426 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: interviewing quota. It was created in two as it was 427 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: created as a reaction to the two thousand two firings 428 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: of head coach Tony Dungee of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 429 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: and Dennis Green of the Minnesota Vikings, but with black 430 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: at the time when Dungee had a winning record and 431 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: Green had just had his first losing season in ten years. 432 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: Shortly afterwards, US civil rights attorney Cyrus Marie and Johnny 433 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: Cochrane released a study showing black head coaches, despite winning 434 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: at a higher percentage of games, were less likely to 435 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: be hired and more likely to be fired than their 436 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: white counterparts. Former NFL players Kelly Kellyn, will Wilson, and 437 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: John Wotton. Oh Sorry, Former NFL players Kellen Winslow and 438 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: John Wotton then put together an infinity group of minority scouts, coaches, 439 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: and front office personnelity to advocate for rules creation. Its 440 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: purpose was to ensure that minority coaches, especially African Americans, 441 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: would be considered for high level coaching positions. Now dig this. 442 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: At the time that the Rooney Rule was installed, there 443 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: were four black head coaches in the NFL, and they 444 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: aim that to be a problem that they created the 445 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: Ruoney Rule. In two before this lawsuit, there was one 446 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: head coach, one black head coach. Oh my god. So 447 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: clearly this is operating brilliantly. So we've regressed the rule 448 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: obviously didn't work. Thoughts on that love that for us? Well, 449 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I think it's really cool 450 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: that they did have sort of like a collective organizing 451 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: project of getting together the scouts, these front office personnel 452 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: to make a demand, you know, to like ask them 453 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: to make things better. But I mean, ultimately it does 454 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: seem like it was a superficially measure. I don't mean, 455 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: I don't I don't mean to cut you off, but 456 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: there's some context I need to give you about black 457 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: Brian Flowers his lawsuit all right, Okay, So one of 458 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: the things that he's that he alleges in his lawsuit 459 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: is that the Rooney rule is like a sham and 460 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: it's a charade. Like they do. They do like the whole, 461 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: you know, the whole, the whole, all the tricks, the 462 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: smoking mirrors, and they do these interviews, but at the 463 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: end of the day, they don't have any intention of 464 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: hiring these black closers are the diverse coaches that they're seeing, 465 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: so they're not even coming into the interview process with 466 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: a fair shake. One of the things. One of the 467 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: examples was, so, you know you've heard the famous coach 468 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. You've heard that name. Okay, So, Brian Flores 469 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: was an assistant coach, I believe, underneath Bill Belichick. So 470 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: when uh, Brian Flores and another coach who also was 471 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: an assistant under Bill Belichick, they were both vuying for 472 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: the same job, and Bill Belichick hit up Brian Flores 473 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: congratulating him for the job. Yeah, I thought he was 474 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: texting the other dude. I did hear about like four 475 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: or five days before it was announced that other dude 476 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: got the job. Bro, what people trying to say, Oh, 477 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: the coaches are smarter to so much strategy and the 478 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: players are dumb, But like that's dumb, so so in 479 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: other in other words, they knew they were going to 480 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: give the job to the white guy, and they had 481 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: already spread that, that word had already gone through to 482 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: the people who needed to know, and they accidentally and 483 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know how much involvement, but 484 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to pay Bill Bill Belichick is a 485 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: bad guy or anything like that. But Bill Belichick accidentally 486 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: hit up the black guy to be like, hey, congratulations 487 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: on getting the job that he was getting ready to 488 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: go interview for and it was already given to somebody 489 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: else before he even did his interview, like behind the scenes, 490 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: so he was about to go interview and they had 491 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: already picked someone else. I mean, you know, the the 492 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to be the one to like, you know, 493 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: be like, oh man, there needs to be more black owners. 494 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, in this particular situation, 495 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: with this particular problem, if we're you know, we're we're 496 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: we've got to overlook We've got to overlook the you 497 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: know a lot of other things to focus on this 498 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: aspect of the airs and coaches and ownership and stuff 499 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: like that. Like you said, there's a lot of people 500 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: on the lower rung who aren't even being mentioned in 501 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: this labor dispute. But but yeah, I mean I think 502 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: that like it comes back to the fundamental question of 503 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: like does representation equaliberation, because I think getting black coaches 504 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: in there might give us the opportunity for them to 505 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: like see the value of the lower folks see the 506 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: value and the players see you know, how to be 507 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: culturally responsive and implement some of that into their coaching, 508 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: but they might get some black coaches in there that 509 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: are like, Yo, I've got my bag, fuck y'all, and 510 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: not do anything to help advance the conditions in the league. 511 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: And so I mean, yes, it's better to have black owners, 512 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: I guess, but that does not ensure that we are 513 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: implementing fairer policies for everyone else involved. They could also 514 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: just kind of reproduce the current situation that all of 515 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: them are experiencing. When you're gonna like this next part, 516 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: because leaders of the n double a c P, the 517 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: National Coalition on Black Civic Participation, the National Action Network, 518 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: and the now No African American Clergy Network have requested 519 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: to meet with the league's commissioner, Roger Goodell, and the 520 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: leaders have called on Goodell to replace the existing rule 521 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: and for the league to examine the specific recruiting and 522 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: hiring procedures when it comes to its executive and coaching positions. 523 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: The group also called for meaningful consequences for teams that 524 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: do not abide by the rules. Their statement says, however 525 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: well intentioned, the effect the Rooney rule has been for 526 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: team decision makers to regard interviewer interviews with candidates of 527 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: color or interviews with candidates of color as an extraneous 528 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: step rather than an integral part of the hiring process. 529 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: I see this all the time in city contracts where 530 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: we can't per state law, like tell them we can't 531 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: buy state law. Tell them that, like they have to 532 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: hire a certain number of minorities, are paying in a 533 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 1: certain kind of wage, so we can ask them nicely 534 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: to put in a good faith effort to do so. 535 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: And so recently this cat called me up talking about how, 536 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, for this big arena project here, um we 537 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: had we had like put in a contract and they 538 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: needed to put in a good faith effort to hire 539 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: minority contractors. And his friend they called him up like yo, 540 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: I went to there like recruiting luncheon or something, and 541 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: there was literally just a whole bunch of white people 542 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: the only black person there, and like, I don't are 543 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: they going to follow up with him? Like you know, 544 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: really they just you know check the box of like, 545 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: oh we tried, and there's no accountability. So I do think, 546 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, beefing up the Rooney rule by like saying 547 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: they have to actually hire a certain amount of people 548 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: like makes a lot more sense than just like asking 549 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: them to put in a good faith effort when really 550 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: it ends up being a superficial effort to recruit people 551 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: for these positions and take you know, take them seriously 552 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: as candidates. And I mean, and then the owners, Like 553 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: I'd like that part about making them, you know, making 554 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: some some penalties if they don't do it or if 555 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: they violate ship. But it's like, what can what penalties 556 00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: can you do? I mean, there's only thirty three of 557 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: these positions, these owner positions in the world, you know 558 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, I mean, and we just got 559 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: to consider like the NFL is like a money making 560 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: cultural phenomenon of entity and ship like that. There's only 561 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: thirty three, thirty two of these owner positions and every 562 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: last person who has the position is a billionaire. So 563 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: it's like, what are you you know, at the end 564 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: of the day, they're gonna put their fucking boys in 565 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: and if there's any rule that they have to break, 566 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, short of one of 567 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: these guys getting in like some serious like legal trouble 568 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: that you know, you can't take the team away from 569 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: them as their team. So and this is why we 570 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: should take the teams away from them and COLLECTIVI the 571 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: NFL sees the means of production. Let the owners be 572 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: the workers, be the folks out there quarterback in and 573 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: kicking and putting the thing through the thing and stop 574 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: in the locker room. Just collective ownership and management, no more. 575 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: Ray is um utopia would be great. Let's go get that. 576 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,719 Speaker 1: Brian Flors be the leader. We got a Al sharpon quote. 577 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: So UM. The National Action Network, their founder Al Sharpton 578 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: said the organization will be approaching states and municipalities to 579 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: stop public funding and tax incentives to NFFL stadiums until 580 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: the goals presented by the leaders are met. So well, 581 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: we should do that anyway, I mean, like, why are 582 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: we publicly funding like arenas that are making these billionaires 583 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: billions of dollars. But in a nutshell, you know, it 584 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: doesn't look good. And and shout out to Brian Flores 585 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: for shining the spotlight almost especially in Black History Month. 586 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: I can't help but think that that was done on purpose. 587 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: Is um. Yeah, there's a lot of stud stud and bucking. 588 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, there's so much of that. The workhorse 589 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: and like he's a you know, like you know, he's 590 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: a bru. I mean, okay, it's it's not like slavery slavery, 591 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: but like conservatives, hey, when you make the slavery in 592 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: NFL comparisons, and let's be clear, look, yo, no one 593 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: is making a literal comparison of chattel slavery in the NFL, 594 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: so please, it's an analogy. It is an analogy. I'm 595 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: not trying to say that it is actual slavery because 596 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: these people are making millions, but like yeah, yeah, I 597 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: mean that and and that's that's that's where you know, 598 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: if you're getting paid, you're not a slavery. I mean, 599 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: the comparisons are fair to make if they're there. I mean, 600 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: I've I've heard I've seen some foot like pro football 601 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: players and pro basketball players like talking, and the one 602 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: dude was like, yo, man, the in the NFL, the 603 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: relationship that the players have with the owner is kind 604 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: of like some slavery ship. It's like it's the it's 605 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 1: the most it's the furthest removed from the owner that 606 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: you is in the NFL, you know what I'm saying. 607 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: Where it's like really they're up there and you're down here. 608 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: Catch the ball, nigger, run you know, it's like like 609 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: you don't really interact with him at all, so he's 610 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: like it really does end up kind of feeling like 611 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: you're fucking buck out there on an auction block. And 612 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: then you know whether it's coincidence or not. You look 613 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: at the combines when they're testing out the new recruits 614 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: and the people who are going to be drafted and 615 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: ship like that. It does. Yeah, I know, the imagery 616 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: is definitely slavy. I mean, can we can we can 617 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: we at least say that? I mean, can we at 618 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: least on that? Yeah, I mean I don't appreciate when 619 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: like liberals trying to hyperpoleize issues, but like there is 620 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: a certain way in which it reproduces the social structures 621 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: of slavery, and that there's like physical labor that's like 622 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: being like commodified to make somebody a billionaire. And then 623 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: these folks get get out and then she'd like c 624 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: t E and then like die earlier, like have mental 625 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: illness later in their lives, so their body are just 626 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: having the labor wrung out of them and then they're discarded. Oh, 627 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: speaking of Peel, did you did you see the Jordan Peel? 628 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: Do you see the trailer for his new joint. It's 629 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: called Nope what no what it looks It's like it 630 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: looks like Signs with Black People, which I'm I'm with it. 631 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: I'm with it. Let's just yeah, let's make remake all 632 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: the Grades with Black People. Needs to He needs to 633 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: start with the titles though, like, oh, what, come on 634 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,919 Speaker 1: what You're gonna need to get some regular titles? Though, 635 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: no more, no more us and Nope, you know I 636 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: don't just get I don't like the one word titles. 637 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: Signs is one word. I mean, like like, I don't 638 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: like that title either. Come on, give me a title. 639 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not making any m night exceptions. Canny 640 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: man is candy man is two words. I like that. Yeah, 641 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: Kenny man is two words. It's at least two syllables. 642 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,879 Speaker 1: What you know what I'm saying? This is the hill 643 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: you're gonna die on? Really anyway, that is what we 644 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: got for the day. Um do you want to wrap? Yeah? 645 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: All right, yo, Taylor Joel, I can't see through the glass. 646 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't know which one of y'all is, but somebody 647 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 1: give me a beat please? Yeah? Uh waiting, no reparations, waiting, 648 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: no reparations, lava. Frank can tell them the black of 649 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 1: the bevery, the sweet at the quarterback, and but when 650 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: it comes to the coaches, the blackness and sort of lacking. 651 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: And it's sort of battling because there'll be a lot 652 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: of athletes who could be the funding things that said 653 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: they placed in the back seat all across the country. 654 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: The workers organizing we're talking to taxis you at the 655 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: end of having to come from feeling timely? Bryan flower As, 656 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: get your shine, be get your Shane be hit up 657 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: with the class action doing it for the culture. Like 658 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: the last Bassip. The Rooney rule was cool, but it 659 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: lacks traction. Only one black coach got a brother back then. 660 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 1: You gotta keep fighting because it ain't over. Gonna put 661 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,919 Speaker 1: pressure on the stakeholders because they in the owner's box 662 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: feeling like a slave owner and they're really scared of 663 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: the revolution. Take ova Dope. Hey, I'm dope knife And 664 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: you have been listening to Waiting on Reparations, mofo, have 665 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: a good week. See you next time. Listen to Waiting 666 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: on Reparations on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts 667 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.