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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Too Much Information, the show that gives

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Speaker 1: you the secret histories and little known fascinating facts and

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Speaker 1: figures behind your favorite TV shows, music, movies, and more.

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Speaker 1: We are your two Hong Kong trained stuntmen of stultifying trivia.

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Speaker 1: I'm Alex Higel and I'm Jordan Run Talk. Are we

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Speaker 1: trained an opera too? Yes, Comedia dell Arte and Peaking

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Speaker 1: Opera Jordan. Today we are looking at one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest movies by one of my personal heroes, The movie

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Speaker 1: that broken already huge international star big in the US,

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Speaker 1: added an entry into the canon of mismatched buddy cop comedies,

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Speaker 1: and taught us all to love again. That's right, I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about The Mummy Tomb of the Dragon Emperor. It's mum,

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Speaker 1: you arch on too Much Information. The bit never dies

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Speaker 1: joke is now and it's seventh Proud week. No, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about nineteen ninety eight Rush Hour, which turns God

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Speaker 1: it turns twenty five in September. Oh yeah, that one

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Speaker 1: hits hard. Yeah. I mean you know, I make no

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Speaker 1: bones about the fact that I think Jackie Chan should

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Speaker 1: be up there with like Orson Wells or Beyonce in

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Speaker 1: terms of all tourism, I don't think you can really combine.

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Speaker 1: There's no there's no one like Jack. There's no there's

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Speaker 1: no one like Jack full stop. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's an Olympic level athlete, hilarious physical comedian, and a

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Speaker 1: filmmate and an auteur, you know, and a singer and

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Speaker 1: a singer, yes, singer, songwriter, clothing magnate, car collector, car collector. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. His career in the US is so

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Speaker 1: fascinating to me even is not like a even outside

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Speaker 1: of the like influence of Hong Kong action movies on

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Speaker 1: Hollywood in the nineties, which we'll talk about, but it

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Speaker 1: bums me out a little bit because he should have

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Speaker 1: been like stallone or I mean when you see this stuff,

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Speaker 1: because like by the time he came over here, he

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Speaker 1: not past his prime. I mean, he's he's incredible in

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Speaker 1: this movie and for like the other stuff that made

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Speaker 1: a lot of money in the States, but like that's

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Speaker 1: like Tom Brady like now exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, And

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Speaker 1: like the stuff that he did in the eighties when

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Speaker 1: you watch it, it's like you're like, why did I

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Speaker 1: ever find Stallone or Van Dam or any of those

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Speaker 1: guys impressive? They look like children. I mean, I get

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Speaker 1: Van Dam is a beautiful man um and I get

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Speaker 1: and Stallone has you know, his charms as well, but

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Speaker 1: like every single one, they look like toddlers when you're

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Speaker 1: looking at compared to the stuff that Jackie Chan is

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Speaker 1: doing in the eighties, I mean not just the fighting,

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Speaker 1: it boggles my mind. And Jackie Chan didn't fail the US.

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Speaker 1: The US failed Jackie I didn't. And I didn't see

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Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff until it came over here,

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Speaker 1: you know, because I think like Rumble and the Bronx

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Speaker 1: then I started just going back through whatever the video

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Speaker 1: like I didn't see Armor of God, I didn't see

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Speaker 1: Hour came out. And I don't think like Rush Hour

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Speaker 1: was such a letdown to me, not because it's not

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Speaker 1: a funny movie, and so much of it is the

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Speaker 1: chemistry between them and the comedy. But I was just

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Speaker 1: like he was jumping in between buildings on Rumble and

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Speaker 1: Drunken Master, and then he gets over here and we'll

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Speaker 1: bit of insurance we've been able to get on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know what do you Was this your

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Speaker 1: first experience with him? Did you get any of this

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Speaker 1: Jackie Chant. I eventually learned about his background in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, and then of course I learned about

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Speaker 1: an entertainment god. I mean, he deserves. If he hasn't

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Speaker 1: damn well should. I can't pretend to be a martial

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Speaker 1: And he was like, no, I want to make people

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Speaker 1: And it's just he's such a They broke them old

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Speaker 1: after the fact. Here is everything you didn't know about

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Speaker 1: Rush Hour. A little about our man, Jackie. He was

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Speaker 1: According to Jackie Lore, he spent twelve months in his

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Speaker 1: rumors about his parents, like his dad was like a

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Speaker 1: And this may be related to the connection with his mother,

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Speaker 1: I guess I've read that Jackie got mixed up with

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Speaker 1: And then his dad I heard that, like his spot

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Speaker 1: is alleged spy activities were so intense that he changed

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Speaker 1: have been had his dad not been forced to change it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's odd. His dad emigrated to Australia in in

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Speaker 1: peaking opera school. And peaking opera school is insane, I

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Speaker 1: fingers into, I know, and hilariously. His stunt team more

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Speaker 1: recently is used less for action stuff and more for

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Speaker 1: boring stuff like where the characters just supposed to like

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Speaker 1: drive or walk around because it just gives Jackie a

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Speaker 1: chance to actually take a break on the set and rest. Yeah,

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00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: and you know, a big famous thing for him is

432
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Speaker 1: he puts the bloopers over the end credits of all.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I've taken away from that is it

434
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Speaker 1: is so easy to injure yourself doing regular stuff, like

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Speaker 1: the ones that look the most painful, the one where

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00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: he like, there's like a kick that's been like mistimed

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00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 1: slightly and he gets like cotton mccornia and just collapses

438
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: and it's like, man, how did you? And then like

439
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 1: this stuff where he's like crawling across live coal and

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00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: all this stuff. He's like, yeah, well I got that,

441
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: but then I fell and now I have a quarter

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00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: sized hole in my head. His hearing has been affected,

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00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: you know. The craziest one is actually on Rumble and

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00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: the Bronx, where he broke his ankle, and they still

445
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,239
Speaker 1: had a bunch of filming to do, so they just

446
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: put a sock over his cast and painted it to

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Speaker 1: look like a shoe and his jeans so that he

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Speaker 1: could keep doing the stunts. The cast isn't the problem,

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Speaker 1: the fact that the cast is there while he's hiding

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Speaker 1: a shattered a broken ankle. Yes, yeah, I mean the

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Speaker 1: famous thing is is, uh, there's I forget which blooper

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Speaker 1: real it's in, but there's somewhere he's like being carted

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Speaker 1: away on a stretcher and he just gives a big

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Speaker 1: thumbs up and says Jackie always Okay, I don't think

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Speaker 1: you are, dude, but God love you. As you meditate

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Speaker 1: on that, we'll be right back with more too much

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Speaker 1: information after these messages. So one of the three lines

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Speaker 1: on his film is his sort of fanatical dedication to

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Speaker 1: every aspect of it. There's this persistent rumor that one

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Speaker 1: of his films has the world record for takes mandated

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Speaker 1: for a single scene, which is twenty nine hundred for

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Speaker 1: a scene in The Dragon Lord nineteen eighty, which is

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Speaker 1: I think I've heard two different things about this that's online.

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Speaker 1: One is it's a scene where it's like a human

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Speaker 1: pyramid thing where a bunch of guys are like clambering

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Speaker 1: over each other, And the other one is that it's

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Speaker 1: a scene where these men are playing this ancient Chinese

468
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: game that's basically like hacky sack and volleyball, where they're

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Speaker 1: just like kicking a shuttlecock thing around with their feet

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00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: and trying to make it's it's really crazy. Twenty nine

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Speaker 1: hundred was not like consecutive. The idea is that this

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Speaker 1: is the aggregate number of takes they needed to cut

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Speaker 1: to get footage to cut everything together. It was confirmed

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Speaker 1: by Raymond Chow I think in his biography that he

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Speaker 1: spent forty days filming that scene, which in Hong Kong

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Speaker 1: cinema terms is a decade because they made movies in

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Speaker 1: a day. And Jackie also holds the Guinness World Record

478
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: for most job titles on a single movie from Actually,

479
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: one of his last straight out action movies is called

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Speaker 1: Chinese Zodiac in twenty twelve, in which he stars, directs,

481
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: is the gaffer and coordinated the catering. Why okay like

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Speaker 1: to make the finished product on the screen look the

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Speaker 1: way it does in your head? I understand that why

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Speaker 1: catering wheel he has a oh oh, I'm sorry. He

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Speaker 1: also did props. Okay, that makes sense that you want

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Speaker 1: everything on the screen to look a certain way. Fine,

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00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: why cater why the off stage? Well, he has a

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Speaker 1: chain of restaurants, so probably just to get paid over

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Speaker 1: and over again. I don't know how much of it is, like,

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Speaker 1: how much of the stuff at this point is like

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Speaker 1: state funded. So maybe he's just trying to squeeze a

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Speaker 1: couple extra squeeze a couple of extra pennies out of him.

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00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: But yes, he is also a singer. Part of his

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Speaker 1: peaking opportunity included vocal training. He started recording and releasing

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00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: records in the nineteen eighties. Has put out twenty albums

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Speaker 1: with vocals in Cantonese, Mandarin, Japanese, Taiwanese and English. He

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00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: often sings the theme songs of his films, which play

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00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: over the end of credits and the shots of him. Yeah.

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00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: The song Story of a Hero, which is the theme

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Speaker 1: song to Police Story, was actually selected by the Hong

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Speaker 1: Kong Police as a part of their recruitment campaign in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four. I'm just hearing it. I'm just hearing it.

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Speaker 1: A story of a girl. There's a story of a

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Speaker 1: cop fracture to skull and made the whole world smile.

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Speaker 1: And he was the voice of Shang in Mulan in China.

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Speaker 1: I love that, wasn't Donnie Osman the voice the American version.

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00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: He also has a line of clothing, movie theaters, as

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Speaker 1: we mentioned, restaurants, Jim, and a racing team. He formed

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Speaker 1: a racing team. He's a UNICEF Goodwill ambassador, and he

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Speaker 1: ran a segue dealership for a while. God love him anyway.

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Speaker 1: What I like to think of is his Imperial Run

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Speaker 1: in Hong Kong includes the Project a Police Story and

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Speaker 1: Armor of God. It's like probably the three highest hits

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Speaker 1: per screen time. You know, as we'll talk about, there's

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00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: there's some of his movies that don't he doesn't He

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Speaker 1: has vocally been like I don't understand what's funny too Americans,

517
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Speaker 1: and like what plays in China doesn't always play in

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Speaker 1: America and vice versa. So there are some of his

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Speaker 1: movies that you can just YouTube all the stuff from

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00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: because it's a lot of like mugging and jokes that

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00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: don't necessarily translate. But Project a Police Story, Arm of

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Speaker 1: God are really just like some of the craziest action

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Speaker 1: stuff that's ever been committed. And as I as I

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Speaker 1: chatted you before this Michee Yo, who just won for

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Speaker 1: everything everywhere, all at once. And I found out that

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Speaker 1: Jackie cham was actually offered the lead in that film

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Speaker 1: No Way, and he turned it down, and so they

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00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: they offered it to her and retooled it to be

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Speaker 1: around her. But she and Jackie go way back. She

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Speaker 1: is in Police Story three doing some of the craziest

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Speaker 1: shiit I've ever seen in my life. She jumps a

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Speaker 1: motorcycle onto a moving train and also in that movie,

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Speaker 1: the rolls off the motorcycle as the train moves, motorcycle

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Speaker 1: falls off the top of the train car and and

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Speaker 1: she I mean, you know, I think American audience's first

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Speaker 1: exposure to her was in Crouching Tiger, where she's amazing,

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00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: but like again, she was you know, they were they

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00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: these people were decades into their career when they came

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Speaker 1: over here. Chowie unfad included from that film. And but yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's in Police Story three. Shelso does this whole thing

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Speaker 1: where she's dangling off the side of a van and

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Speaker 1: doing like all of these crazy backward leg bends to

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Speaker 1: pull her legs out of traffic and stuff. She actually

544
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Speaker 1: broke her back on it, or almost broke her back

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Speaker 1: making a movie and had to back away from doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of that crazy stunt stuff. What else? What else?

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Speaker 1: Oh ninety ninety four is another great one legend of

548
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Speaker 1: drunken Master, which is probably, pound for pound, my favorite.

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Speaker 1: It's got great fight scenes, the stunts are insane. That's

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Speaker 1: the one he crawls over live coals. I have a

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Speaker 1: question for you. You mentioned drunken kung foo being like

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Speaker 1: a subgenre. Is that blended with comedy in the teaching

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Speaker 1: of it? Like what is like? How did that subgenre?

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Speaker 1: I believe that is under sort of Shallon kung fu,

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Speaker 1: like the Shallon monk tradition, because it's often grouped under

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Speaker 1: the animal styles like monkey kung foo and eagle and

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Speaker 1: leopard and snake. And there's a divide between northern kung

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Speaker 1: foo in Southern kung fu and north if I believe

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Speaker 1: this is like reaching back to like fourteen year old

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Speaker 1: nerd me, I think Southern is a little bit more

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Speaker 1: pragmatic and a little bit more like I will punch

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Speaker 1: you and kick you until you leave me alone, and

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00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: Northern is a little bit more flowery and demonstrative. So

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Speaker 1: a lot of what we see in um cinema is

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Speaker 1: pulled from Northern because it's a little bit more it's

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Speaker 1: cooler looking, and that's where some a lot of like

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Speaker 1: the animal stuff comes from him. But actually, if you

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Speaker 1: play tech in, the character of Lee is a combat

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Speaker 1: is it. There's there's two characters in tech In that

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Speaker 1: are Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee. The Bruce Lee guy

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Speaker 1: is named Law, which is funny, and all of his

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Speaker 1: costumes are Bruce Lee costumes. And the guy's name is

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Speaker 1: Lee is Jackie Chan, And so he does all the

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Speaker 1: like drunken boxing and animal style kung fu that you

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Speaker 1: can see jack and he wears like his costumes are

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00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: also references to stuff that Jackie is worn. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's and and Drunken Master is absurd because he at

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Speaker 1: the end fight scene, you know, he he gets drunk

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Speaker 1: to power up in the fight scenes. There's this amazing

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Speaker 1: scene where his step mom is tossing him bottles of

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Speaker 1: alcohol that he's chugging in the middle of a fight,

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00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: and because the other guys don't want him to power up,

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Speaker 1: they keep trying to drag the grab the alcohol away

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Speaker 1: from him, and it's these amazing like Charlie Chaplin esque

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Speaker 1: bits where these bottles are flipping around in the scene

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Speaker 1: and he has to catch it and pull the cork

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00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: out and chug it, and then he gets punched and

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00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: falls down and then he powers up, which is a

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00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: horrible message. But by the end of the film, in

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Speaker 1: the end scene, he's getting beat up and so he

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00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: drinks industrial gasoline to defeat the final villain. And the

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00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: end of this movie has a has a coda in

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Speaker 1: the original version where his character has been stricken blind

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Speaker 1: from drinking this gasoline and it's this it's played for laughs,

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00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: and it was cut from the American version because they

596
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: were just like, no, Jackie, this is just you can't.

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Speaker 1: They can't do this. So it's just one of these

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00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: things that like doesn't again, doesn't translate well, but it's

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Speaker 1: it's really it's really wild. That movie is one of

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Speaker 1: my favorites of all time. And so by nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: is a really interesting time in the relationship between Hong

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Speaker 1: Kong and Hollywood. You know, Bruce Lee was one of

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Speaker 1: the really only the success people who successfully crossed over,

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Speaker 1: and he died pretty immediately after it happened. So throughout

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00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: the eighties, as I mentioned, you have the John Wu

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Speaker 1: stuff that's like cops and robbers stuff, and that's basically

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Speaker 1: the stuff that you would see chaw Yon fat. That's

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Speaker 1: where he got one of his big stars in. Anytime

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Speaker 1: you see someone in a Hollywood movie holding two guns,

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Speaker 1: the dual wheeled as they call it in video game terminology,

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Speaker 1: that's from John Wu. The other thing that they take

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Speaker 1: from it is um a term that they call shoot

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Speaker 1: to riddle, which is like you see the bad guys

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Speaker 1: will have like seven squibs on their body that all

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Speaker 1: go off like It's not like in West Westerns where

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Speaker 1: they someone shoots the one clutches their stomach and rolls over.

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Speaker 1: In like Hong Kong action like Hard Boiled and the

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Speaker 1: killer people get shot up and so in like stuff

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Speaker 1: like Die Hard where people are really getting like riddled

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Speaker 1: with bullets. Like a lot of that comes from the

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong action stuff in the eighties. The killer is

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Speaker 1: a big one. Ringo Lamb is another is the probably

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Speaker 1: like the bead tier list. If John Wu is the

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Speaker 1: most famous one. Ringo Lamb It made a movie called

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Speaker 1: City on Fire in eighty seven, which Quentin Tarantino has

626
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Speaker 1: openly been like, I stole so much of Reservoir Dogs

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Speaker 1: from City on Fire, And it's really kind of a

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Speaker 1: ground swell because you see all of these guys Akira,

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Speaker 1: which is probably the single biggest crossover anime with the

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Speaker 1: exception of stuff like Dragon Ball Z or Naruto into

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Speaker 1: the mid nineties or like the Studio Ghibli stuff, Akira

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Speaker 1: is really one of the ones that kind of breaks

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Speaker 1: them mold, and that came out in eighty nine in

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Speaker 1: the States, and then you get the Wu Tang clan

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Speaker 1: come out and something like Enter the thirty six Chambers,

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Speaker 1: which is just saturated with the kind of grindhouse era

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Speaker 1: Kung Fu movies that they were obsessed with. What all

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Speaker 1: this kind of just stal translates to is that like

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Speaker 1: it becomes really cool and like alternative, sort of hipster

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Speaker 1: American culture to be hip to like all this era

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Speaker 1: of Hong Kong action stuff. I mean, in True Romance,

642
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, the central relationship in that is Christian Slater

643
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: going to see Sunny Chiba a Sunny Chiba Marathon and

644
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: that's when he meets from Zann Arquette's character, And so

645
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: there was this sort of filtering up of oh, these

646
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: guys are doing really crazy stuff, and it becomes very

647
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: sneakily influential. And John wu actually crosses over to Hollywood

648
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: with Hard Target in nineteen ninety three starring John Claude

649
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: van Dam and then he just Broken Arrow in ninety

650
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Speaker 1: six with Travolta and then Face Off in ninety seven,

651
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: which is his the Big the Big One, and he

652
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: didn't really ever get to those heights again, but he's

653
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: one of the biggest figures of that time. And Jackie

654
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: Chan had been he as we mentioned, he tried to

655
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Speaker 1: break into Hollywood and then went back to Hong Kong,

656
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: and he was leary about being cast as a villain

657
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: and being sort of type cast as like the martial

658
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Speaker 1: arts guy who comes in and gets beat up by

659
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: the hero, and so he actually turned down the opportunity

660
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Speaker 1: to play the villain in Demolition Man, which is a

661
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: hilarious Sylvester Stalone movie that comes out in ninety three,

662
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: and that role went to Wesley Snipes. But he was

663
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Speaker 1: a huge star everywhere else. That's the crazy thing is

664
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Speaker 1: that like it took us so long to catch up

665
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Speaker 1: to him. I mean, he some of the figures that

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Speaker 1: I found with. By nineteen ninety five he'd made like

667
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: seventy million in Hong Kong, four hundred and fifteen million

668
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Speaker 1: in Japan. Wow sold thirty three million tickets across France, Germany,

669
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Speaker 1: Italy and Spain. But over here he was so kind

670
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: of a cult hit person. And ninety five Rumble and

671
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: the Bronx comes out. It is not shot in the Bronxes,

672
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: shot in Vancouver, very hilariously, and that became his biggest

673
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Speaker 1: hit up until that point. He sent records in Hong

674
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Speaker 1: Kong and it became the most profitable film of nineteen

675
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Speaker 1: ninety six. It made six times its budget back because

676
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: they made these movies for super cheap, so rush Howart

677
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Speaker 1: comes from a script by a guy named Ross Lamana.

678
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: He worked on Universal Soldier in ninety two starring Dolph

679
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: Lundron and JCVD, directed by Roland Emerick. He worked on

680
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Speaker 1: Cliffhanger ninety three starring Sylvester Salone, directed by Renny Harland,

681
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Speaker 1: and Most Germaine to You Yes. Ross Lamana also wrote

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Speaker 1: two episodes of a Titanic TV mini series that came

683
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Speaker 1: out in nineteen ninety six, crucially a year before the

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Speaker 1: James Cameron movie and the cast in this made for

685
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: TV Titanic Movies Conna Nuts is, George C. Scott as

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Speaker 1: the captain of the ship, Edward James Smith, Kathline, Zaida Jones,

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Speaker 1: Peter Gallagher, Mary Lou Hanner, and Tim Curry. So this

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Speaker 1: is Leonardo dic as Leonardo DiCaprio. I'm sure I forget.

689
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he was like a cabin steward or something,

690
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: or some like some flunky, some high society flunkey. So yeah,

691
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Speaker 1: this is the part of the episode where our ven

692
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: diagram overlasts. So Rosalaman had told screenwriters Utopia dot Com,

693
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Speaker 1: I wanted to do a kidnapping story, but it was like,

694
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Speaker 1: what the hell do I do to make it fresh?

695
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: Which he did not. Then it came to me, what

696
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Speaker 1: if the victim was from a foreign country? That's unfriendly toss.

697
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Speaker 1: That'll add some jeopardy, And what if the people investigating

698
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Speaker 1: are also foreign to each other? Wouldn't that sort of

699
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: up the ante on the buddy comedy genre. In Lethal Weapon,

700
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Speaker 1: it's fun and a good thing, but all they really

701
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: Danny Glover and Mel Gibson's characters don't have in common

702
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: is that one guy is a nut and the other

703
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: guy's grounded. They really didn't make anything out of the

704
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: racial differences, So I thought about everything that would be

705
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: different between two guys working on the same case from

706
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Speaker 1: different countries. They wouldn't even speak the same language. It's

707
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Speaker 1: funny to me that he says all this because it's

708
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Speaker 1: the exact plot of a movie called Red Heat, in

709
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: which Arnold Schwartzenegger plays a Soviet detective who is investigating

710
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: a murder with Jim Blush. When did that come out?

711
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Speaker 1: Eighty seven? I think it's one of the least rememberable

712
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: Arnold films eighty eight, So he was wrong that plot

713
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: was not original. But Rush Hour is interesting in that

714
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Speaker 1: it hinges on the handover of Hong Kong from the

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Speaker 1: United Kingdom to the People's Republic of China in July

716
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Speaker 1: of ninety seven, which ended one hundred and fifty six

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Speaker 1: years of British rule and ended Hong Kong as a

718
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: former colony. That is a really pivotal time obviously in

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong history, specifically to our purposes. It was a

720
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: huge threat to the action industry that I just ranted

721
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Speaker 1: about because basically, under the one country, two systems, financial

722
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Speaker 1: infrastructure of Hong Kong. At the time, they were essentially

723
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Speaker 1: allowed to take foreign investment to make these movies, and

724
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Speaker 1: so once they came under the rule of China again,

725
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 1: a lot of those foreign investors, specifically Taiwanese investors, pulled

726
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: all their money out, and that, combined with sort of

727
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: the brain drain of a bunch of actors crossing over

728
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: to Hollywood, would have caused a fallow period in Hong

729
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: Kong action cinema kind of killed the glory days of it. Anyway.

730
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Speaker 1: Rush Hour is also the brainchild of a producer named

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Speaker 1: Arthur Sarkissian who had finished While You Were Sleeping the Yeah,

732
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Speaker 1: and he claims that he knew Lamana and they took

733
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Speaker 1: a meeting and Sarkissian was like, one of my favorite

734
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Speaker 1: movies is The French Connection, which fair and he's like,

735
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: he told Lamana he was like, do this, and in

736
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Speaker 1: a couple of months he brought him back a script

737
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Speaker 1: called rush Hour that was originally much darker. They said

738
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Speaker 1: it was originally supposed to be more of an action

739
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: thriller than a comedy, grittier kind of forty eight hours

740
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Speaker 1: sort of thing, but they got Disney involved and Disney

741
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Speaker 1: started backing off on the tone of it, and which

742
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: makes sense, Yeah, exactly. And then Ross Lamana said, once

743
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Speaker 1: Jackie came on board, it became a different movie. The

744
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: part was much smaller in my original drafts. The Chris

745
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: Tucker part was more Wesley Snipes of Bruce Willis. It

746
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: was a little edgier. I kept reading that Chris Farley

747
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: was supposed to start in this movie, which I wasn't

748
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: able to verify from any like original source. But it's

749
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Speaker 1: something that keeps coming up. Now, you may be saying yourself,

750
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Speaker 1: but Alex I thought Rush Hour was produced by New

751
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: Line Cinemas, and you're right it was. And what happened

752
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: was Sarkissin had just done while you were sleeping at Disney,

753
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: so he brought it to them, and they brought on

754
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: a writer named Jim Kouf to do a new draft.

755
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: And it gets a little more comedic, and everyone, everyone

756
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Speaker 1: involved in this film starts saying forty eight hours, which

757
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: is an obvious influence on it. The Nick Nolt Eddie

758
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 1: Murphy movie deeply groundbreaking film as far as the mismatch

759
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: guys come together to solve a crime. One of them's

760
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: wise cracking one of them's tough and anyway, so everyone's saying,

761
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: we wanted to do forty eight hours. But there's a

762
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Speaker 1: bunch of La Times articles about this movie, which is

763
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: funny because after it became a huge hit, they started

764
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: going around to the studio heads who passed on it.

765
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Speaker 1: So they brought it to Disney. Disney bought the script

766
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Speaker 1: and it went into development with a guy's name Roger

767
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: Byrnebaum and Joe Roth. And Joe Roth, who was the

768
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: guy at Disney, told the La Times, I had seven

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Speaker 1: good reasons for not wanting to make this movie, including

770
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Speaker 1: among them, he didn't like the script, he didn't have

771
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Speaker 1: any faith in Jackie Chan's ability to be a lead star.

772
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: He was busy in other things. Uh. Sarkissian at this

773
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Speaker 1: point had Brett Ratner on board as director because Brett

774
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: Ratner had just done money talks for New Line starring

775
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: Chris Tucker, and he said, so I added up all

776
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: seven and came up with the wrong answer. This movie

777
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: was a huge hit, as we will as we will discuss.

778
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Speaker 1: So eventually what happens is that Disney bulks at the

779
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: budget and so they decided against greenlighting it. It goes

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Speaker 1: into turnaround, which is the term when other studios can

781
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: start bidding on stuff Fox Past, Universal Past, because they

782
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: just wouldn't meet the producers. And funnily enough, before they

783
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: landed on Chris Tucker, Martin Lawrence was considered for this,

784
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle was considered this, and Eddie Murphy turned this

785
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: down to do what Jordan holy Man. He chose poorly,

786
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: and yeah, Eddie Murphy predictively later deeply regretted the decision.

787
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: He's quoted as saying, it's funny when I think of

788
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: it now. It was like, you can go jump all

789
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: over California with Jackie chan or go to Miami and

790
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: wear a robe for three months. And I went to

791
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: Miami and you see the results. And so they went

792
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: to Newline, and it's it's funny because Newline. Actually they

793
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: should have got a New Line first man, because New

794
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: Line basically was a sort of a they had an

795
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Speaker 1: existing relationship with the world of Hong Kong cinema. One

796
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Speaker 1: of their first big hits that wasn't because you know,

797
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: a New Line is called the House that Freddie built?

798
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: Did you do? Do you know about New Line Cinema?

799
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: It's super fascinating not much, though I know a little

800
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: bit just through you about Freddy Krueger. Yeah, Ninja Turtles,

801
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: nightmaron Elm Street series, Oh yeah, and Ninja Turtles. So

802
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: New Line started as this guy, the head of it,

803
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: whose name I just watched a bunch of stuff about

804
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: Nightmare in Elm Street. I already forgot this guy's name.

805
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: Robert Shay is the guy who founded it. He literally

806
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: drove reels of Reefer Madness and John Waters stuff around

807
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: to theaters out of the trunk of his car. And

808
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: so one of their big successes, their first huge success

809
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: was the first Nightmare in Elm Street And in order

810
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: to become a legitimate studio, they had to keep cranking

811
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Speaker 1: these out. But like they became sort of a breeding ground,

812
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: not just Wes Craven, but Rennie Harlan, who did you know,

813
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: has become a big name action director and did all

814
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: this stuff. Did a Nightmare in Elm Street sequel that

815
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: was one of his first movies. So they're known as

816
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: the house that Freddie built because that that was how

817
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously they went on to do frigging

818
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings and make more money than God,

819
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: but they also did Teenage Muntant Ninja Turtles, which was

820
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: co production with Golden Harvest, which is one of the

821
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: big Hong Kong action martial arts companies, and they also

822
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Speaker 1: were the US distributor for First Strike and Mister Nice Guy,

823
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Speaker 1: which are two other Jackie Chan movies, so they had

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00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: an existing relationship there and Newline told the producers that

825
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: they green light this film, but it has to star

826
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: Chris Tucker because Chris Tucker had just done money talks

827
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: with Brett Ratner. And the other reason was that they

828
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: were like, we have Martin Lawrence on here, but Martin

829
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Speaker 1: Lawrence costs seven million and Chris Tucker is getting two million.

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Speaker 1: Because all Chris Tucker had really done at this point,

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Speaker 1: he was a def jam comedy guy. He had done

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00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: money talks and he kind of steals a lot of

833
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: scenes in The Fifth Element and Friday, but he wasn't

834
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Speaker 1: as big of a star, and so they were like,

835
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Speaker 1: we go with the cheaper guy, who we already know

836
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 1: has a relationship with Brett Ratner and Burnbaum, the producer

837
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Speaker 1: said he had been checkmated and had to go hat

838
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: in hand to Martin Lawrence's agent and tell him the

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Speaker 1: Martin's out Chris Tucker's in which he described the Late

840
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Speaker 1: Times is one of the worst conversations with anyone I've

841
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: ever had to have in this business. Sound very traumatic

842
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: for him. Now, I want to look up who Martin

843
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: Lawrence as manager was. So Beerbaum and Brett Ratner flew

844
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 1: to South Africa, where Jackie Chan was filming a movie

845
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Speaker 1: called Who Am I? And he wanted to meet Jackie Chan.

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00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: Brett Ratner was a huge fan of his, and all

847
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: three went out to a long dinner to talk about

848
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Speaker 1: this new project that was going to be Rush Hour,

849
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: and Brett Ratner sent Jackie Chan a copy of Money

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Speaker 1: Talks just to kind of give him an idea of

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Speaker 1: what he could do. And so the wheels of the

852
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: film were already in motion. Brett Rattner told GQ in

853
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, I got on a plane and I flew

854
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: twenty two hours to have lunch with Jackie. We get

855
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: to the restaurant, It's a Chinese restaurant in South Africa,

856
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: so weird, and he feeds me abalone. It was like

857
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: a piece of rubber and I'm chewing it and spinning

858
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: into my napkin. Then he gives me a glass of wine.

859
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: Bret Rattner doesn't drink or smoke, and I have to

860
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: pretend like I'm drinking it. And then Jackie's like, let's

861
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: smoke a cigar, and I'm like, is this guy testing me?

862
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: What the hell? These are all the things that I

863
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: don't do. Yeah, a Ratner, it must be said, has

864
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: a number of sexual assault allegation against him that came

865
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: out in twenty seventeen. He also is famously the guy

866
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: who used a homophobic slur talking about rehearsing for the

867
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: Oscars segment that he was producing. So he sucks and

868
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: I hate him and most of his movies, but his

869
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: love for Jackie is very evident. There's a Charlie Rose

870
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: interview where he is waxing about Jackie to the degree

871
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: that I go to wax about Jackie. He says, Jackie

872
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: has a mastery of over seemingly every aspect of filmmaking.

873
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: He says he knows where his light is. If I

874
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: tell him what lens I'm using, he knows where it's

875
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: focus is. He knows where to stand. He's been making

876
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: movies longer that I've been alive. There's no actor in

877
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: the world that could do what he does act, martial arts, stunts,

878
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: direct edit. He was on the set before I was

879
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: on the set, and his call time is two hours

880
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: after mine. And Radner again like to his begrudging credit,

881
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: litters Rush Hour with a bunch of specific gags from

882
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: Chan's earlier films, like that's how much of a fanboy

883
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: he was. And he said that after when Chan came

884
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: back to him and Sarkissian and said I'll do the film,

885
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: he said it was because Rattner didn't bs him in

886
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: his pitch. You know, he said, I did the movie

887
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: because every producer in Hollywood, every big director in Hollywood

888
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: I meet, says Jackie, the script is brilliant. You're gonna

889
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: be a huge star. It's gonna be incredible, it's gonna

890
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: be great. And I said, Jackie, this script is horrible,

891
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: but I know what to do with it. And I

892
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: was honest, which kudos. I just love how everyone in

893
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: this movie, like the Sarkissian is also like, yeah, the

894
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:42,959
Speaker 1: script is awful, Jackie. And Jackie still hates the movie.

895
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: But what you know, as we will find out now,

896
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of the script actually made

897
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: it into the movie. Because Chris Tucker improvised, like ninety

898
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: percent of it. A big thing about their their relationship

899
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: is the first time they met, which is hilarious. They've

900
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: talked about it in multiple interviews. Their dynamic in the

901
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: film was not far off of reality. Tucker told The

902
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: New York Post in two thousand and one. I knew

903
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: who Jackie was. I've always been a big fan. So

904
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: I was telling him what we could do to make

905
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: the movie good and stuff, and he was looking at me, like,

906
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: who is this black man talking to me? I thought

907
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 1: he didn't know English because he didn't say one word.

908
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: I said, this man's not talking, how are we going

909
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: to do this movie? And in that same interview, Jackie

910
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: Chan says my English is not that good, but he

911
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: speaks very terrible English too, And people transliterate Jackie's bits directly,

912
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: his quotes directly, so it sounds like I'm doing a

913
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: racist imitation. But this is just what he says. He

914
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: says he talked to me, and I say to my manager,

915
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: what happened is my English getting worse? But my manager

916
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: said he don't understand him either. And Tucker elaborated this

917
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen to East Coast Radio. He said I

918
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: was kind of scared because Jackie didn't say anything in

919
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: the first meeting where we met each other. We were

920
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: in a meeting talking about the movie. Jackie didn't say

921
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: anything the whole time. He was just nodding his head.

922
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: Brett Ratner aside. After the meeting, I was like, does

923
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: he speak English? There's no way we can do this

924
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: movie if he doesn't speak English. I gotta have him

925
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: communicating with me and Brett. And Ratner says, oh, he's

926
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: just checking you out. He's Chinese. That's what they do. Well,

927
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: I need him to say something. So that was the

928
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: whole thing when I came up with the line do

929
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?

930
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: The first time I met him, but I was like,

931
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: does he understand English? I just took that and that

932
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: was in the movie. And Ratner said he knew that

933
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: was the moment that the movie would works. This is

934
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: a quote where he's talking to GQ. He's like, they

935
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: had a conversation for thirty minutes. I love you, Jackie,

936
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: You're the man, and Jackie was all, thank you, thank you,

937
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: thank you again. Halfway through, Chris says, Brett, can we

938
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: talk outside for a minute, and I go yeah, and

939
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: we go outside and Chris says, Brett Jackie chan don't

940
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: speak English. How are we going to do a movie

941
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: when he doesn't speak English? I said, Oh, it'll be fine. Anyway,

942
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: we go back in Chris leaves. I said, Jackie, how

943
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: do you like Chris? And Jackie says, I like Chris,

944
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: but I don't understand how he talks. I said to myself,

945
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: this is going to be genius. And uh, this is

946
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: one of my favorite interviews of all time. I want

947
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: to get you reacting. Okay, this is him talking to

948
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: the Academy. You. I mean, you've worked with so many

949
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: interesting people through the years, so many great co stars,

950
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: both the comedic stuff and and the serious stuff. Who

951
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: are some of the actors that you've worked with that

952
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: it became a friendship that means a lot to you.

953
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's a connection that you have with him

954
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: that professionally you like. I think Chris Tucker he just

955
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: beats from ear to ear, even even though I don't

956
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: like him. The beginning tell us about that part. First

957
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: time I met him in William Morris office, and he

958
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: just keep talking. A Look at that guy, Why why

959
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: he's talking and you know, and he's so fast. You know,

960
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 1: mostly people like Brett Ratna, like like my manager Jackie

961
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: the movie It's really good for you, I understand No,

962
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: and Chris talk, Oh I just I just huh ha.

963
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: Then then after he left, Yeah, after left, then asked

964
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: my men, what the hell are you talking about? I

965
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: don't I don't even one world No come in come

966
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: from his mouth. And later on he used in the

967
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: movie I love that so much. Um And Yeah, the

968
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: language barrier was the biggest issue on the set. I

969
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: mean they so Rumbo and the Bronx was shot in

970
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 1: Canada and it was dubbed in English, but everyone spoke

971
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: their own languages on the set. Jackie is speaking Cantonese

972
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: and the other actors, the Canadian actors, are speaking English. Um.

973
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: And so this was his first movie that he was

974
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna speak English in, and it was that was gonna

975
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: be enough of a hilltal climb. But then is the

976
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: fact that Chris Tucker just vises constantly, And Ratner told

977
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: the La Times Jackie has a hard enough time with

978
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: his own dialogue. The way he remembers dialogue is by

979
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: remembering the last word of Chris's sentence. Nine percent of

980
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: the time that word never comes. That was very hard

981
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: for Jackie. It freaked him out. Yeah, that's a very

982
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: sad quote from Jackie where he said, if I turned

983
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: the page of a script and I saw another dialogue

984
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: scene the whole night, I wouldn't be able to sleep.

985
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: I not only have to remember my lines, I have

986
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: to remember Chris Tucker's lines. But every time it's always

987
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: different dialogue with him. He's always making things up. It's

988
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 1: so sad he made he made Jackie sad. Tucker told

989
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: the La Times he didn't even notice that Jackie was

990
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: distressed by this until Ratner told him. There's a making

991
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: of documentary of this on YouTube, and it's really funny

992
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: because it's just the two of them sitting in a

993
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: car and Chris Tucker is just non It's it's not

994
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: particularly funny, but that's what happens when you improvise. You

995
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: just do bits and see what sticks. And he's just

996
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: going on and on about this girl that he can

997
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: he's dating, who's she's really ugly but she can cook,

998
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: and she lives in Crenshaw. And there's a long bit

999
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 1: and he just looks at him at the end, because

1000
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: you really like to talk. Huh um, yeah there and

1001
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 1: as as he mentions in the clip, they are now friends.

1002
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: The second Rush Hour takes place in Hong Kong and

1003
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: they went to a karaoke bar and Jackie said that

1004
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,479
Speaker 1: Chris Tucker was singing and dancing Michael Jackson for four

1005
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 1: hours non stop, and so that's why he does don't

1006
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: stop if you get enough. In the second movie, UM,

1007
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: I found this really interesting interview with the woman who

1008
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: was hired to become his dialogue coach, Diana Wang. She's

1009
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: from San Francisco, and it's funny because when she did

1010
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: the interview for this movie and she went on to

1011
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: work with him for twenty years. Um so they hit

1012
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: it off, but it was touching go at first. When

1013
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: she spoke Cantonese to him, he said, where'd you learn

1014
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: how to speak? Did you you have a weird acts?

1015
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: Him is in Malaysia and she said, no, I learned

1016
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: how to speak Canton. He's in San Francisco, in Chinatown

1017
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: and he says, it's sounds like you're in pain. But

1018
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: she was doing this oral history for Rice University and

1019
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: she says she'd said Jackie is not a very patient man.

1020
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: When it comes to dialogue, so it was just crazy.

1021
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: I would write down his lines in English, and I

1022
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: would break it down into syllables, and sometimes I would

1023
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: write like another English word that was similar to that word,

1024
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: or I would find a Chinese character that sounded like

1025
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: that word. And sometimes I would put little happy faces

1026
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: or sad faces to remind him where he needed to

1027
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: be emotionally. And you can see her in the bloopers.

1028
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: There's parts where he has like the poor guy is

1029
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: really struggling, and she just like runs over and says

1030
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: something in his ear and then runs back, and she said,

1031
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: the dialogue is the last thing on his mind. So

1032
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: often it was me running after him with his lines,

1033
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: screaming them out so that he could try to remember

1034
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: because he walks fast. So I'm carrying my backpack, I'm

1035
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: carrying his lines. I'm screaming his lines as we run

1036
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: to set. Sometimes I would get into his trailer and

1037
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: there'll be ten people in his trailer, and he'll tell

1038
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: me to sit down and wait, and he'll do meetings

1039
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: with each person, and I would be the last person

1040
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: and he talks to But by the time it was

1041
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: my turn to talk to him, they wanted us on

1042
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: the set. He didn't have a chance to look at

1043
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: his dialogue. So making Rush Hour was really scary because

1044
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: I thought I would be fired every week. I was

1045
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: expecting someone to fire me because I didn't feel like

1046
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: we were doing a very good job. We were struggling

1047
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: constantly in every scene, and you can tell in the outtakes,

1048
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: but the entire film was like that. Every single day,

1049
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: every single scene, every single sentence was a struggle. Sometimes

1050
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: we did a line twenty times, thirty times, whatever it

1051
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: took to get it right. And of course it was

1052
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: hard on his ego, and often when he looked at me,

1053
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: I could see hatred. He didn't seem to enjoy this

1054
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: process at all. So I didn't know whether I would

1055
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: be fired by him or fired by production because I

1056
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 1: didn't feel like we were doing a very good job.

1057
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 1: But she did. We're going to take a quick break,

1058
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: but we'll be right back with more too much information

1059
00:56:51,480 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: in just a moment. Another stumbling block in the production

1060
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: was the fact that Jackie Cham was used to working

1061
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: in Hong Kong or other foreign locations with his own

1062
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: stunt team who had been together since like eighty three,

1063
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: eighty five and Rattner had to convince new Line to

1064
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: let them bring the entire stunt team over to work

1065
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: on the movie, alongside an American stunt coordinator named Terry Leonard,

1066
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: who had done like Raiders, the Lost Arc and a

1067
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. He's a big name, And in that

1068
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: making of Leonard very dryly notes they take liberties with

1069
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: Jackie on some of those films in Hong Kong and

1070
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: throughout other parts of the world that we're not allowed

1071
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: to take here insurance why it is the most flat

1072
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: way of saying that, And he talks about it going on,

1073
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: coming on to set and Jackie looking up at all

1074
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: of the scaffolding that they had set up to help

1075
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: him do a stunt and going, ah, you Americans so safe.

1076
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: I love this anecdote so much because in every retelling

1077
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: of it that I've seen, Jackie was apparently very displeased

1078
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: by all these safety precautions, and this scene in particular

1079
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: with the scaffolding, It's worth noting it required him to

1080
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: climb thirty feet up the side of a building, the

1081
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: building that was supposed to be the Chinese consulate, and

1082
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: Jackie latter explained his annoyance. He said, there are so

1083
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: many safety and insurance rules to follow. I know that

1084
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: they want to make sure I'm safe and I do

1085
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: my stunts, but sometimes they insist I use protective gear

1086
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: for even simple things, and that's frustrating. It takes so

1087
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: much time. And also, speaking of the Chinese Consulate, the

1088
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: exterior of the Chinese Consulate and Rush Hour is the

1089
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: exterior of the Wayne Manner from the sixties Batman TV shows.

1090
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: You know that, I don't think I do. You're a

1091
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: big fan of both. I'm surprised, I am. Yeah. Yeah,

1092
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: Chris Stucker said he also did his own stunts on

1093
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 1: the film. I told Conan O'Brien on the first movie,

1094
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: I got in shape because I heard Jackie does his

1095
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: own stunts, so I said, let me get in shape,

1096
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: and I started doing it everything. Because if you don't

1097
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: come out there, Jackie will tease you. Chris Ducker, you're scared. Come,

1098
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: We'll do your stunts. Stop acting like a punk, I

1099
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: would cry. Yeah. Any Alex supporting acts as he killed

1100
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: by doing that, that's also true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1101
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: his post Rush Hour career is really I was just

1102
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm on his Wikipedia page as we speak. I have

1103
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: no idea he was in Silver Linings playbook. I forgot

1104
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: about that. He's done. Okay, he's done ninety eight Rush

1105
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: Hour two thousand and one Rush Hour two, so that's

1106
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: the seven Rush Hour three, twenty and twelve Silver Linings playbook.

1107
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: That is all he did from nineteen ninety eight to

1108
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, twenty sixteen, Billy Lynn's long Halftime Walk, which

1109
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: I've never heard of. And then he's going to be

1110
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: in the upcoming movie Air with Ben Affleck and Matt

1111
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: Damon about the founder of Nike. He's not done a

1112
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: lot of movies. No, And I mean it's like I said,

1113
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: it's kind of sad. I mean, Brett. In that GQ interview,

1114
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: Brett Ratner says he says people have mistreated him in Hollywood,

1115
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: which I don't think is necessarily true. But Chris Tucker, No, Jackie,

1116
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: but oh you were talking about Chris Tucker. I was

1117
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: talking about Chris Tucker. Yeah, I don't care about Chris Tucker.

1118
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: Oh this isn't the Chris Tucker episode. I'm sorry. I

1119
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: do care about Chris Tucker. He's great in this movie.

1120
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: He's hilarious. And Fifth Element. We watched Fifth Element recently

1121
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: and actually Brett Ratner knew him because I didn't know

1122
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: this about Brett Ratner, but he got his start through

1123
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: Deaf Jam essentially connection I think yes it was Ratner.

1124
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: While he was at NYU had been the manager and

1125
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: executive producer for a group of white boy rappers called

1126
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: BMOC for Big Man on Campus, which is a terrible sentence,

1127
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: and it only gets worse because he is named along

1128
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: with fellow sexual predator, alleged sexual predator Russell Simmons, who

1129
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: he calls his mentor because Russell gave him a screening

1130
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: for Ratner's film Whatever Happened to Mason Reese about the

1131
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: Child Star, and that essentially led him to getting a

1132
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: bunch of music video directing gigs with guys like Public Enemy,

1133
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: jay Z, Mariah Carey, md ON and then he made

1134
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: Money Talks, and Chris Jam was a Chris Jam, Chris

1135
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: Tucker was a def Jam comic. And so the soundtrack

1136
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: for Rush Hour, which it would not surprise you to

1137
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: know it was made in very close association with def Jam.

1138
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: I think their name is actually on the release, uh,

1139
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: And it features Drew Hill's biggest hit, how Deep Is

1140
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: Your Love, which is not a BG's cover jezs Can

1141
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: I Get Up? Which is what I remember, Like the

1142
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: first time I heard jay Z was on this. The

1143
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: soundtrack was a hit. It hit five on the Billboard

1144
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: Top two hundred, went platinum in three months. We were

1145
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: just talking about this in some episode like late nineties

1146
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: are Golden Angels soundtrack, I'm Ageddon soundtrack. I had the

1147
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: Godzilla soundtrack. Yeah, that'd be a fun show man, just

1148
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: talking about movie soundtracks, just the bad stuff that like,

1149
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: I mean Kiss from a Rose Space Jam. Um, it's

1150
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: not a bad idea, you know, they just all have

1151
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: so many It's when you look at the numbers behind

1152
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: them and the acts that people brought together in corraled

1153
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: and there's so little about it, you know, Like I

1154
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: tried to look this up, like because all these songs

1155
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: came out on other people's records then, but it's just

1156
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: so the synergy between like Deaf Jam and this major movie.

1157
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: When we were talking about that during the way back

1158
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: for the Lady Marmalade Episode two, Lady Marmalade, where were

1159
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: we going Brett Rattner, Yeah, I mean when I was

1160
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: at MIYU, the faculty loved Brett Rattener, presumably because he

1161
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: was a big donor, and they would always kind of

1162
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: shove him down our throats for different kind of like

1163
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: special guests events, right, and the student bodies would have

1164
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: instinctively knew that he was not somebody that we wanted

1165
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:48,479
Speaker 1: to emulate. And we were proven right. Um, yeah, Yeah,

1166
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: there's a story from the set of Rush Hour that

1167
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: I Win sat in the aftermath of his sexual assault allegations. Now,

1168
01:02:56,200 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Pinya, who played Detective Tanya Thompson, she only was

1169
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: so bored after being kept waiting in her trailer for

1170
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: five hours before shooting a scene that she eventually came

1171
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: on the set wearing the bomb proof vest that her

1172
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: character is supposed to wear and nothing else and cheery

1173
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: calls Brett Ratner quote turning ketchup red, shrinking about four

1174
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: inches and saying paying up man, don't do that. It

1175
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: makes me nervous. I fear what sort of things he

1176
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: said and did when the crew wasn't around. Yeah, moving on.

1177
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: It may surprise you to know that all three Rush

1178
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: Hour films were scored by Lalo Schiffrin, the architection I

1179
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: Guess the Mission Impossible, the architect of the seventies cop

1180
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: Funk martial arts sound and he did bullet all the

1181
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: dirty hairy movies Enter the Dragon, and he said that

1182
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know. He said that that's why, basically why

1183
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: Brett Ratner tapped him. He said, Brett is a big

1184
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: fan of mine, and Entered the Dragon has been one

1185
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: of his favorite movies of all time. To an interview

1186
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: with ain't it cool news name I've not heard in

1187
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, And then Schiffrin says, in his residence,

1188
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: which is funny, but he's from Rgancina, so I'll allow it.

1189
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: He has an answering machine that when he's not there,

1190
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: plays the music of Enter the Dragon, which Schiffrin composed.

1191
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: So that's very funny to me. And when he said

1192
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: he was approached for Rush Hour, he was like, I

1193
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: want you to do Enter the Dragon for the nineties.

1194
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't remember anything about the score

1195
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: of this movie, but it's just funny to me that

1196
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: they got Lalo Schiffrin. And now we're on a part

1197
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: of the show that you've titled Reception Hour. We never

1198
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: read your headings enough on this show. Whenever you in

1199
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: your outline, they're always so good. I feel bad Rush

1200
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: Hour made its budget back on its opening weekend and

1201
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: went on to gross two hundred and forty four million

1202
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: dollars worldwide. And you've described it as sort of a

1203
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: pleasant middlebrow hit with critics, though a lot of people

1204
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: who knew Jackie chance on calling work, including yourself, were

1205
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: very let down that it watered down his sensibilities somewhat.

1206
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: But obviously it's spawned the whole franchise, with Chris Tucker

1207
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: getting a bump up to twenty million dollars for Rush

1208
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,959
Speaker 1: Hour too. Hell yeah, and a Jackie Chan of course,

1209
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: went on the Star in Shanghai Noon, which basically replicated

1210
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: the Rush Hour formula, with Owen Wilson playing the Chris

1211
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: Tucker role set in the wild West, and a string

1212
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: of other pretty disappointing No, I haven't really seen other

1213
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: than other than Rush Hour and the Shanghai franchise. I

1214
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever seen a Jackie Chan movie start

1215
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: to finish. Are there any post Rush Hour that I'm missing? Nope? Okay,

1216
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: Jackie Chan Adventures the animated series. Did you ever watch that? No?

1217
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: I didn't, because again, like when this came out, I

1218
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: was like I was like, yeah, that's this is all fine,

1219
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go watch the really badge stuff about this,

1220
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: like yes, Disney version. I mean. One of the reasons

1221
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: for this sort of disappointing string of movies for Jackie

1222
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: Chan after the success of Rush Hour was his age.

1223
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: He was forty one years old when he made Rumble

1224
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: in the Bronx, which was before Rush Hour, and so,

1225
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: as you very eloquently put it, Jackie was nearing the

1226
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: upper limit of his ability to destroy his body in

1227
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: the name of arts, which is a beautiful way to

1228
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: put that. And he was also pretty open about being

1229
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: disappointed with Hollywood, and he basically admitted to doing American

1230
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: movies just a fund better projects than China. And of

1231
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: Rush Hour, Jackie Chan wrote on his website in twenty fifteen,

1232
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: when we finished filming, I felt very disappointed because it

1233
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: was a movie I didn't appreciate and I did not

1234
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: like the action scenes involved. I felt the style of

1235
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: action was too Americanized, and I didn't understand the American

1236
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 1: sense of humor. And he also said that he made

1237
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: the sequel to Rush Hour because he was offered quote

1238
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: an irresistible amount of money to do it. And then

1239
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: he said of the third Rush Hour film. Nothing particularly

1240
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: stood out that made this movie special for me. Yeah,

1241
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: he's very blunt about it. There's an interview with the

1242
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: magazine called Crosswalk from two thousand to where he talks

1243
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: about just being puzzled by the why this movie did well. Said,

1244
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: something I don't like is successful like rush Hour. I

1245
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: make the movie and I tell my manager, see, I

1246
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: should never make this kind of movie. Then I go

1247
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: to Asia to make an Asian film and they call

1248
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: me and say, Jackie, rush Hour is a big hit.

1249
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: It's a success. I say what. Then I make rush

1250
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: Hour two and I hate it worse than rush Hour one,

1251
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: and they call me and say it's a success. Then

1252
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: I slowly realize, Okay, I still have Chinese mind, I

1253
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: have hometown mind. I don't get American culture, American dialogue.

1254
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: So now, from that time on, I really listened to

1255
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: whatever Owen Wilson tells me to say, whatever Chris Tucker

1256
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: tells me to say. I realize, Okay, anything I think

1257
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: not funny means it's funny, and it's telling. Because also

1258
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: in that interview, he says that Rush Hour films didn't

1259
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: do well in Hong Kong, Like, yeah, he accidental spied

1260
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: tuxedo like they didn't do well in Hong Kong. So

1261
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, I'm not super well versed in

1262
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: what the cultural distinctions or differences are there there are. Um,

1263
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Jackie Chan's like Elvis in Hong Kong, you know,

1264
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: like like Bred Ratner talks about, like Chris Tucker. They

1265
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: when they went to do Rush Hour two there, they

1266
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: were like, we couldn't walk down the street with him.

1267
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, he was insane. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand what the what kind of

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Speaker 1: the cultural hang ups there would be. I really only

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Speaker 1: have to reason that they are just not as interested

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Speaker 1: in seeing one of their own stars be put into

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Speaker 1: a milieu that is not explicitly catered to him as much.

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Speaker 1: But what do I know? Yeah, Jackie was even more blunt.

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Speaker 1: In another interview. He said that he remembers telling his

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Speaker 1: manager after Rush Hour is released, that's a terrible movie.

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Speaker 1: They don't allow me to do my own style of action.

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Speaker 1: My English isn't good Chris Tucker's English. I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: Terrible movie. But hey, yeah, supposedly they're in talks for

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Speaker 1: Rush Hour four. Oh god, that's the coded to this

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Speaker 1: whole thing. Is he like pushing seventy Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man. I mean he's talked about like

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Speaker 1: I can't do these stunts anymore, blah blah blah. But

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Speaker 1: I there's something he just all the world's a stage.

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Speaker 1: He just loves entertaining the people. I'm saying a lot

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Speaker 1: of overlap between him, not in terms of discipline and skill,

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Speaker 1: but in terms of that same Tom Cruise something that's no.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, the Jackass guys Johnny Knoxville, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I there's a movie that he may

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Speaker 1: call The Foreigner with Pierce Brasen and that I think

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01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: tried to put him in the sort of wisened, dignified

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Speaker 1: like elder statesman and gravitoss role that I don't I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen it. I'm not sure how well it did.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we'll always have We'll always have Rumble

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Speaker 1: in the Bronx. No. I you know, I mentioned this

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Speaker 1: a little bit earlier, but this movie is really fascinating

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Speaker 1: as a specific cultural artifact in time. You look at

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Speaker 1: the top ten grossing films of ninety eight, Titanic Armageddon,

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Speaker 1: Saving Private Ryan. There's something about Mary Waterboy, Deep Impact, Godzilla,

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Speaker 1: and Goodwill Hunting, And of those films plus the next two,

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Speaker 1: only Doctor Doolittle and Rush Hour had minority leads. So

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Speaker 1: that is a very groundbreaking thing in terms of and

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Speaker 1: in terms of bringing these international stars over. It was

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Speaker 1: also kind of a big trend because one of the

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Speaker 1: probably the guy who I would say is in number

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Speaker 1: two to Jackie, coming from Hong Kong martial arts films

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Speaker 1: into Hollywood as jet Lee. Jetle had his big Hollywood

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Speaker 1: moment right around this time with Lethal Weapon four, where

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Speaker 1: he basically just comes in and does a bunch of

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Speaker 1: really cool martial arts stuff. And then they started importing

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Speaker 1: some of his films, like Black Mask came out, which

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01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,520
Speaker 1: was a Hong Kong production that like the Rizza rescored

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Speaker 1: and they redubbed and put it out in theaters. And

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Speaker 1: then he was in Romeo Must Die, which is pretty

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Speaker 1: explicitly also an attempt to be like black people like

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Speaker 1: kung fu movies. Let's make a movie with a big

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Speaker 1: kung fu star and a bunch of hip hop people,

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Speaker 1: so that's Wheromeo Must Die. Then he was in the

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Speaker 1: one with starring Jason Statham and then he got into

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Speaker 1: the Expendables franchise. So you know, not that you can

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Speaker 1: chalk all that up to Jackie and Rush Hour, but

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Speaker 1: there's a convincing through line there. And then the other

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Speaker 1: thing too is the Matrix comes out, and the Matrix

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Speaker 1: not only takes the John wu stuff, the gun ballet

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Speaker 1: and the gun choreography, but it takes the wire work,

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Speaker 1: and it takes the Yen Wooping is a choreographer, and

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Speaker 1: it takes all this stuff that the Shaw brothers and

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Speaker 1: all these guys have been doing and synthesizes it into

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Speaker 1: American sci fi and action conventions, and it is obviously

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Speaker 1: a huge hit. Blade comes out from New Line Cinema,

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Speaker 1: which is again kind of a synthesis of black hip

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Speaker 1: hop culture and black culture, and Wesley Snipes is a huge,

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Speaker 1: huge star of the era and big martial arts guy.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, we get Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon

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Speaker 1: comes in, and that's an interesting case study too because

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Speaker 1: that is less genre blending. That is explicitly a Woujah film,

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Speaker 1: which is this you know, historical it's it's like a

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Speaker 1: historical epic action film. But that you know, was huge

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Speaker 1: Oscar Oscar Bait and that I don't know that it

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Speaker 1: launched or solidified Chao Yun Fat and Michelle Yo and

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Speaker 1: even Angle, but Angle did get Incredible Hulk a few

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Speaker 1: years after that, which that movie is not good. But

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Speaker 1: you know, those movies all broke through kind of around

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Speaker 1: the same time, and even those Woujah things had their

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Speaker 1: brief period of vogue right after Crouching Tiger, House of

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Speaker 1: Flying Daggers with Jenggee who is in that movie came out,

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Speaker 1: and then Gentley did Fearless and Hero Hero is a

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01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: beautiful movie, and so yeah, I I there was this

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Speaker 1: really brief moment in time when all of this stuff

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Speaker 1: kind of came in on the back off on Jackie's

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Speaker 1: broken back. So I don't know, I think it's a

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Speaker 1: really even as much as I say it's kind of

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01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: a letdown to me as a hardcore fan of his,

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01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: and it's it's a silly film and he doesn't like it,

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Speaker 1: it's very important and it's a really fascinating period of time.

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Speaker 1: And then we even got you know, I won't necessarily

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Speaker 1: make this claim, but Andy Lao, Andrew Loo and Andy Lao,

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Speaker 1: who are not with the same person or related apparently

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Speaker 1: made Infernal Affairs, which became The Departed four years later.

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Speaker 1: And around this time we also got a brief spate

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Speaker 1: of martial arts comedies. You remember Shalton Soccer, You remember

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Speaker 1: Kung Fu Hustle. Those wouldn't exist without Jackie. Steve Odenkirk

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Speaker 1: doing Kung Pal which is a ridiculous film, but that

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Speaker 1: wouldn't exist without Jackie, you know. So you can pin

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Speaker 1: a good five or six years of Hollywood, mainstream Hollywood

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Speaker 1: movies on his little broken body. So there's that, And

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Speaker 1: perhaps the biggest shadow that the film casts is that

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Speaker 1: we have Rush Hour and Jackie Chan to thank for.

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Speaker 1: Rotten Tomatoes? Did you know this? That's my Jay Leno voice.

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Speaker 1: Do you hear about this? Do you guys hear about this?

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Speaker 1: Rotten Tomatos? Rot Toys was launched in August of nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety eight by a developer named Sendong who was a

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Speaker 1: fan of Jackie and wanted to create a website that

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Speaker 1: would aggregate reviews of Jackie Chan movies and Hong Kong

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Speaker 1: movies as they were imported into the States. He wanted

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Speaker 1: to launch it with the timing of Rush Hour, so

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Speaker 1: it came out a month before because Rush Hour's release

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Speaker 1: date was pushed and now we have rotten Tomatoes, which

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Speaker 1: is arguably not great. I mean, you know, there's all

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Speaker 1: a lot of controversy about the way that like fanboy

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Speaker 1: communities weaponize it against movies they don't like and won't

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Speaker 1: get into that, but you can thank rush Hour for it.

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Speaker 1: So there's that. Let's got that going for it, which

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Speaker 1: is nice. Well that was sprawling. Good luck editing that,

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Speaker 1: um and uh, you know, thanks for listening. I you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel kind of a batter should maybe we should

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Speaker 1: have gone deeper on Chris Tucker, but I just I

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Speaker 1: wanted to backdoor this in as my love of Jackie

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Speaker 1: Chan and I hope everybody can get on board with

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Speaker 1: that and recognize him and you know, fed him appropriately. Folks,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. It's been too much information. I'm

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Speaker 1: Alex Heigel and I'm Jordan Runtalg. We'll catch you next time.

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